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Speaker 1: New Zealand's home for trusted news and views, The Mike

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Speaker 1: Hosking Breakfast with Raindrover Leading by example News, Tomstead b will.

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Speaker 2: You welcome today? Chris Hopkins and as mates refusing to

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Speaker 2: front the COVID inquiry. What genius thought? This was a

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Speaker 2: good idea, more good news from our exporters, sort of

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Speaker 2: good news around our school leaders. Gilbert and Oak at

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Speaker 2: the mental skills coach for the All Blacks all those

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Speaker 2: years now with England cricket and Chelsea football. He's in

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Speaker 2: for an uplifting word. After eight rods in Britain, Joe

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Speaker 2: in Italy, Pasky yesterday morning, we're into at seven past six. Look,

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Speaker 2: I'm assuming the instigators of the second COVID Inquiry are

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Speaker 2: deeply disappointed in what is unfolding in terms of accountability.

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Speaker 2: Inquiry Part one was a labor government's stitch up of

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Speaker 2: course and exercise and smoke and mirrors. Inquiry Part two,

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Speaker 2: a coalition deal driven by Act in New Zealand first

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Speaker 2: was designed to look into areas not touched in Part one,

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Speaker 2: access to vaccine lockdown's economic damage and so on. I've

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Speaker 2: argued since the start we needed actually an adversarial approach.

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Speaker 2: In other words, British style call people to a witness, stand,

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Speaker 2: hold them accountable. We didn't do that, and now we're

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Speaker 2: paying the price. Madern and Hipkins, along with Robinson and Verel,

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Speaker 2: declined to appear no kidding a what a surprise. I

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Speaker 2: wonder why now Grant Illingworth KC, who's in charge of

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Speaker 2: the current work, has the power, apparently to pull them in.

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Speaker 2: He's choosing not to do so. Hence my assumption of

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Speaker 2: disappointment at a political party level. The Illingworth justification is

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Speaker 2: the aforementioned operators are cooperating with proceedings not good enough

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Speaker 2: in my book, or indeed anywhere close so. Simple question,

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Speaker 2: is there a broad expectation among ordinary, everyday New Zealanders

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Speaker 2: that those who made life changing calls and a life

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Speaker 2: changing period of this country owe it to us all

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Speaker 2: to front and be questioned under oath about why they

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Speaker 2: did what they did. Another question, what does it say

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Speaker 2: about the morals and character of said people who seek

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Speaker 2: public mandate and public support and approval that when things

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Speaker 2: get a bit orkies, they're nowhere to be seen. Where

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Speaker 2: is the courage of their conviction? Where are their spines

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Speaker 2: and their gonads. How can a person like Kipkins and

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Speaker 2: indeed veryl who also is refusing to front, possibly present

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Speaker 2: themselves to the voting public next year with a straight

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Speaker 2: face and ask once again for the power to around

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Speaker 2: the country having been the same people who in August

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Speaker 2: of this year ran for the hills when accountability came calling.

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Speaker 2: The rules of engagement were lacking at the COVID inquiry.

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Speaker 2: So we are being let down. Illingworth's head with a

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Speaker 2: power to do better apparently is letting us down, but

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Speaker 2: nowhere near adun Hipkins, Robertson and Verel, who should be

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Speaker 2: ashamed of themselves.

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Speaker 1: News of the world in ninety seconds.

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Speaker 2: Well, yes, who's been on the phone. It's Don and Vlod,

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Speaker 2: and Vlod seems up there.

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Speaker 3: Our mood is united and unified. It was very positive mood.

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Speaker 3: All the partners demonstrations, one voice, one wish, one well

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Speaker 3: and one principle and one version.

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Speaker 2: But he still isn't invited to Alaska.

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Speaker 4: It was always going to be I was going to

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Speaker 4: meet with President Bouton and then after that I'm going

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Speaker 4: to call the leaders and presidents Landscape. There's a very

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Speaker 4: good chance that we're going to have a second meeting,

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Speaker 4: which will be more productive than the first, because the

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Speaker 4: first is I'm going to find out.

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Speaker 5: Where we are and what we're doing.

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Speaker 2: The Europeans also on that call. Of course, Kia, He's up.

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Speaker 3: But years this conflict has been going on, we haven't

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Speaker 3: got anywhere near the prospect of.

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Speaker 1: Actually a viable solution, a viable way of bringing it

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Speaker 1: to a ceasefire.

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Speaker 5: And now we do have that chance because of the

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Speaker 5: work that the President has put in.

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Speaker 2: But a fraid of Germany, he rolled out Europe's ongoing line.

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Speaker 6: Ukraine has to be at the table if there are

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Speaker 6: any follow up meetings. We want to have a negotiation

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Speaker 6: in the right order. Ceasefire has to be the beginning

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Speaker 6: of it.

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Speaker 2: After the call, by the way, Trump he hit it

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Speaker 2: to the Kennedy Center to reassure everyone about the bad

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Speaker 2: streets of DC.

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Speaker 4: One thing happens all year, Pam, you better be good

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Speaker 4: because they'll say Trump did not fulfill this. Well, one

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Speaker 4: person gets a little injured by somebody, those say Trump

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Speaker 4: did not fulfill histravelers. Now we're going to be essentially

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Speaker 4: crime for it.

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Speaker 2: And we can't forget about the other war caused by

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Speaker 2: is One of the protesters or Israeli protesters. To close

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Speaker 2: the idea of paid stations.

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Speaker 7: Aid must flow to the four hundreds points that are

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Speaker 7: existing with owner and all the other agencies that are

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Speaker 7: ready to do their work, so the food comes to everybody,

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Speaker 7: not only young men that are prepared to walk for

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Speaker 7: eight miles.

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Speaker 2: And finally, scientists at King's College, London have discovered our

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Speaker 2: hair is the key to repairing and protecting our teach.

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Speaker 2: So once you go to keratin, fibrous protein of course

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Speaker 2: found in our hair and in our skin, you take

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Speaker 2: a little bit of that, apparently put it on your teeth.

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Speaker 2: Ammits the same benefits as natural and mammal. This they claim,

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Speaker 2: bridges the gap between biology and industry, and we could

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Speaker 2: see keratin based products available to the public within a

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Speaker 2: couple of years. Here's the world in ninety seconds. Ah yeah,

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Speaker 2: puts bluffing, That's what Zelenski said to Trump. Putin is bluffing.

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Speaker 2: But he did say that Trump told him he's ready

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Speaker 2: to support whatever that means. So this whole thing, the

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Speaker 2: closer we get to this, this whole thing has got

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Speaker 2: disappointment written all over it. As far as I can

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Speaker 2: work out, good news on Gaza, I Hope Netnia, who

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Speaker 2: is now claiming this morning that the latest ceasefire talks

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Speaker 2: are focused on a deal that would release all the hostages.

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Speaker 2: They were going in with an initial sixty day true

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Speaker 2: idea partial release. There are going for a complete release,

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Speaker 2: so we'll see where that goes. Twelve past six.

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Speaker 2: Little wondered our memory Lane. Remember China Evergram We were

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Speaker 2: talking about them last year. They're in the process of liquidation.

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Speaker 2: Of course, they will now be delisted in the Hong

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Speaker 2: Kong Stock Exchange. As of August twenty five, world's most

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Speaker 2: heavily indebted real estate develop a. Three hundred billion is

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Speaker 2: what they owe to the banks, and the rules basically say,

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Speaker 2: if you're in the process of liquidation after a certain

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Speaker 2: number of months, then we boot you off, which is

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Speaker 2: from what's happening to do?

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Speaker 4: Then?

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Speaker 2: Fifteen plus Well from Jay Am I Well Pandrey Kella

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Speaker 2: A good morning morning, Mike. Please get his card spending.

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Speaker 2: I think I needed a microscope to find the increase.

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Speaker 8: There.

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Speaker 9: It is there, it is there. So this is what

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Speaker 9: are we doing with the credit cards? With the plastics

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Speaker 9: STA's New Zealand the monthly read on electronic card transactions

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Speaker 9: it is it's high frequency data MIC, so you have

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Speaker 9: to look for trends because the monthly data is pretty

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Speaker 9: noisy on the face of it. If you just looked

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Speaker 9: at the total electronic card spending, it rose by zero

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Speaker 9: point six percent.

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Speaker 8: Remember that's just a monthly number. That looks pretty good.

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Speaker 9: Sure, that was the largest monthly game recorded so far

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Speaker 9: in twenty twenty five, so that's an encouraging number.

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Speaker 8: But look, the thing is, Mike, with a lot of.

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Speaker 9: The data recently, the outcomes we're seeing it, they're not unequivocal.

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Speaker 9: Over the last twelve months, total electrodes electronic card transactions

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Speaker 9: have fallen zero six point six percent. So the long

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Speaker 9: term trend is actually not grat And so if I

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Speaker 9: look at the detail total retail spending and core retail spending,

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Speaker 9: total retail spending was only up zero point two percent.

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Speaker 9: If I look at the year on year number, it's

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Speaker 9: one point seven percent. Now these are not inflation adjusted,

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Speaker 9: so if inflation is running at two point seven percent

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Speaker 9: year on year, inflation is going up faster than the

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Speaker 9: spending growth, which effectively means spending.

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Speaker 8: Levels are falling.

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Speaker 9: Core retail spending is also flat, so there is no

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Speaker 9: strong evidence of the trend turning. But look at the

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Speaker 9: very real risk Mic of sounding quite repetitive, because I've

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Speaker 9: lost drag of how many times we've said this. The

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Speaker 9: impulse of lower mortgage rates should, over the next six months,

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Speaker 9: start to provide.

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Speaker 8: Some real belief to househotet does.

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Speaker 9: But look like we keep saying this, Don't it does

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Speaker 9: feel though, Doesn't it that just things like rates increases,

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Speaker 9: insurance increases, They're just going to eat up all that

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Speaker 9: extra money that you get in your pocket, don't you.

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Speaker 9: So I mean that's an unscientific observation, Mike. And also

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Speaker 9: interest rate relief coming at a time. I'm in the

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Speaker 9: label market this weekening, so I'm using the term cross

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Speaker 9: currents a lot at the moment, and retail spending is

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Speaker 9: being buffeted by these the sutail and some headwinds.

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Speaker 2: But you're not, and you can't. You're not going to

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Speaker 2: help us out anymore with this concrete number either.

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Speaker 9: No, I like this concrete number because you know, I

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Speaker 9: like this data series. It is hard data, after all, isn't.

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Speaker 10: It, Mike?

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Speaker 2: Hard?

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Speaker 9: That is a pun that is the Thursday morning, there

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Speaker 9: is hard data readymits concrete. Now, we actually came out

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Speaker 9: there was so much going on.

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Speaker 8: Yesay, we can't let it slide though.

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Speaker 9: June quarter actual volume of readymus concrete produces eight hundred

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Speaker 9: and ninety two thousand cubic meters.

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Speaker 8: That is ten percent lower than the same quarter last year.

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Speaker 9: For the year end of June twenty five, three point

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Speaker 9: seven million cubic meters, that is six percent lower than

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Speaker 9: the June twenty four quarter. Seasonally adjusted, the June quarter

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Speaker 9: also weakened versus the March quarter.

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Speaker 8: So no, I'm not helping you out at all here,

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Speaker 9: And if I look at the long term tread, let's

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Speaker 9: compare it to say where we were three years ago

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Speaker 9: June twenty five twenty six percent lower and the June

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Speaker 9: twenty five year versus the twenty two year eighteen percent lower.

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Speaker 9: So you do not need to be a rocket scientist

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Speaker 9: to note that construction activity is much lower.

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Speaker 2: Quick word on the CBA, Am I reading too much

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Speaker 2: into ASB not quite as flash as the CBA? So

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Speaker 2: is that a tail of two economies?

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Speaker 9: I think, look, it might be. This is a heck

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Speaker 9: of a phenomenon. We haven't really talked about it. I mean,

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Speaker 9: CBA is now Ostralasia's biggest listed company. And the reason

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Speaker 9: I'm noting it is because the share price fell five

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Speaker 9: point four percent yesterday, which is quite a big fall

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Speaker 9: for such a major part of the exchange. But it's

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Speaker 9: in the context of a very healthy share price run

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Speaker 9: and it's been one of the key feature the last

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Speaker 9: twelve months. There seemingly unstoppable rise in the CBA share

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Speaker 9: price for many fund managers. Your success was determined did

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Speaker 9: you have a lot of CBA or didn't you. It's

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Speaker 9: twelve percent of the ASEX two hundred. It became the

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Speaker 9: most expensive big bank.

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Speaker 8: In the world.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, if you look at the actual numbers, Mike, yesterday

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Speaker 9: they a ten point two five billion cash profit. I'll

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Speaker 9: say that again, ten point two five That was up

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Speaker 9: four percent. They have returned the CBO has returned eight

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Speaker 9: billion dollars in distributions and dividends to Australians. The market

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Speaker 9: had probably priced that to perfection a little bit. They

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Speaker 9: didn't really give a guidance for the twenty six year

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Speaker 9: ASB net profit after tacks one point twenty five billion euros.

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Speaker 8: That was only up one percent.

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Speaker 9: So yes, ASB not doing quite as well as as CI.

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Speaker 2: Andrew kelleherjmiowealth dot co dot z tasking simplicity. I think

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Speaker 2: congratulations are in order this morning, as in simplicity living

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Speaker 2: as opposed to you know, kiw Saber, Sam Stabs all

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Speaker 2: that stuff. They've been out six hundred buill to rent

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Speaker 2: homes in Queenstown to Queenstown need homes, yes they do.

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Speaker 2: Do they need build to rent, Yes they do. Projects

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Speaker 2: valued at half a billion. They've gone and bought six

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Speaker 2: an open question. How much is this is social? How

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Speaker 2: I suspect we'll be getting a bit of this this morning. Mike,

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Speaker 2: please ask Hippickeins how he can ever again stand in

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Speaker 2: Parliament and ask and expect answers from the opposition when

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Speaker 2: I hope voters have long memories next election. We don't

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Speaker 2: even need that long a memory. That's what I find

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Speaker 2: so fascinating about the whole thing. I mean, this time

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Speaker 2: to be an issue. Mike, this will hurt labor and

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Speaker 2: the polls. Chip you will step down, cure a macanautic

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Speaker 2: Let's not mince words. Mike Illingworth is not up for

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Speaker 2: as I understand it, have the power to get these

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Speaker 2: whether she's disappointed as well anyway, the Chipster's with us

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Speaker 2: after seven o'clock, six twenty five trending.

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Speaker 1: Now you're one start for Founders Day Fragrances.

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Speaker 2: Timothy Shaw, Marny is Beck. He's got a new movie.

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Speaker 2: It's called Marty Supreme. It's about a guy who has

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Speaker 2: a dream to get to the top of the world

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Speaker 5: Hey, it's Marty Mauser. I'm in the Royal Suite. That's

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Speaker 5: not even the lobby yesterday. Okay, well, they.

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Speaker 1: Never talk to an actual movie star. You know, something

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Speaker 1: of a performer too, are you? Yeah, you don't believe me.

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Speaker 7: I everything, my last falling apart.

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Speaker 2: But I'm going to.

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Speaker 11: Figure it out.

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Speaker 1: Teeny help. I need to help you.

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Speaker 2: I know it's hard to believe, but I'm telling you

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Speaker 2: this game at phil stadiums overseas, and it's only a

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Speaker 5: Now we get this an orange ball which no one's

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Speaker 5: ever thought of seeing.

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Speaker 2: You already found it.

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Speaker 1: Way better.

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Speaker 8: Let you we can more engaged now.

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Speaker 5: Buddy, custom ball like that, it's across a lot of money.

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Speaker 8: Its custom, It's original ball for the original guy. It's

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Speaker 8: Marty Supreme on not a mighty normal ball.

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Speaker 2: It's actually not bad. I got a good vibe about that.

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Speaker 2: Gwyneth Paltrow's the voice if you didn't pick it up

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Speaker 2: I mean, for goodness sake, it's not only that's out

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Speaker 2: just quickly out of Australia several things. Worst thing was

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Speaker 2: So sucked in good three point four percent wage growth,

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Speaker 2: was the good news is that thing that Steve told

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Speaker 2: some new data for you this morning. So we'll crunch

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Speaker 1: Is next, setting the agenda and talking the big issues.

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Speaker 1: The Mike Harting breakfast with Bailey's real estate altogether better

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Speaker 2: There'd be by Mike the Chipster, more like the Chipocrite,

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Speaker 2: not bad Ellen. Mike, A bet you Hipkins will blame

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Speaker 2: all than Sundry for the non appearance. Try to yell

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Speaker 10: Mike.

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Speaker 2: Well they may well do, Mike. We'll see how we go.

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Speaker 2: Do you think if we offered Hipkins some KFC vunches

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Speaker 2: he might turn up? That's very good. Twenty three minutes

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Speaker 2: head of Saturday our time in alast year. This is

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Speaker 2: means I'm back here. If you're looking for some of

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Speaker 2: these so called green shoots in our beleagad economy, and

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Speaker 2: exporters are doing some heavy lifting for US. Two thirds

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Speaker 2: Felicity Roxburgh is the executive director of the New Zealand

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Speaker 2: International Business Forum and is with us. Felicity, good morning

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Speaker 2: to you.

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Speaker 12: Good morning mate.

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Speaker 2: Are we seeing anything tangible yet on the tariffs?

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Speaker 12: Well, I mean this is heartwarming to see this positivity,

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Speaker 12: So a lot of positivity, but yeah, time will tel

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Speaker 2: That's kind of why I asked the question, because this

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Speaker 12: Well, I think one of the things that we benefit

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Speaker 12: over many years. So there are opportunities there, and diversification

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Speaker 12: has been around for a while. You know, company has

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Speaker 2: So the two things you've highlighted UK and Japan when

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Speaker 12: Yeah, that's right. I should say this is Export New

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Speaker 2: Japan a slow boon is there are lots of upside there.

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Speaker 2: They are very protectionist sort of society.

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Speaker 2: Are we boxing above our weight? So if you look

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Speaker 2: So is that our story?

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Speaker 12: Yeah, our high quality premium products, we need people to

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Speaker 1: So you know, our.

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Speaker 2: These numbers are interesting. Twenty five percent don't require any

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Speaker 12: Well, I think, you know, in this time of uncertainty,

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Speaker 2: Good stuff. Felicity appreciate it very much. Felicity Roxburgh ed

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Speaker 2: from seven. So I'm sad to read about our grain

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Speaker 2: Temperature records being broken. We'll talk more with Joe in

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Speaker 2: stress they pick in that part of the world. In

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Speaker 2: about September. Of course, Croatia forty and Dubrovnik warming faster

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Speaker 2: than any other continent. This is Europe at twice the

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Speaker 2: speed of the global average, apparently, and has been doing

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Speaker 2: so since the eighties. Are Spain six thousand evacuated northern

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Speaker 2: central southern Spain. They're looking at forty four degrees? How

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Speaker 2: hot is it at Joe's place?

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Speaker 10: She is?

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Speaker 2: Next eighteen two.

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Speaker 1: The Mic Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered

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Speaker 2: Talks EP and Morning Mike. Please ask the chypocrite what

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Speaker 2: chance he has of getting Village in Prime to do

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Speaker 2: a job properly, given he himself can't seem to understand

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Speaker 2: who employs them four hundred thousand dollars a year. I

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Speaker 2: think you've overstated that for a no showing boss who

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Speaker 2: condones a no showing underling. If this guy thinks there's

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Speaker 2: any chance he's still respected, he needs his head red.

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Speaker 2: I think he's on three hundred and six, which doesn't

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Speaker 2: make it right. Four hundred six forty five.

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Speaker 1: Husky International Correspondence with ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of

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Speaker 1: mind for New Zealand business.

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Speaker 2: Joe McKenna, How are you going?

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Speaker 11: Great?

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Speaker 4: Mike?

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Speaker 10: How are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm dying to ask you about the heat wave? But

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Speaker 2: there are more important matters. So Maloney's on the phone

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Speaker 2: call with Zolensky and cow does how do we feel

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Speaker 2: it when Zelensky seamed up beat, Kirstamas seamed up beats,

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Speaker 2: Maloney up beat?

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Speaker 13: Yeah, I mean I'm seeing mixed messages here in terms

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Speaker 13: of how much Selensky is willing to concede. But I

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Speaker 13: think what's interesting too is Prime Minister Georgia Maloney also

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Speaker 13: had a phone call with US President Donald Trump earlier

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Speaker 13: this week, but yes, she was at that meeting. She

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Speaker 13: insists that the EU and Ukrainian involvement in any piece

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Speaker 13: talks should be you know, a sense of unity there

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Speaker 13: United Front. So it seems like they still want meaningful

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Speaker 13: negotiations only if there is some kind of ceasefire, but

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Speaker 13: mixed messages about how much Zelenski's willing to concede.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. So the difficulty here is, I mean, does

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Speaker 2: Maloney's view get heard in Europe to the point that

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Speaker 2: anything comes of it? Or have you just got twenty

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Speaker 2: seven different people saying twenty seven different things?

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Speaker 13: Yeah, I mean I get the feeling that it's pretty

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Speaker 13: much party central. You know, they're all in there together.

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Speaker 13: It seemed today that Starmer and mccron were taking the

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Speaker 13: lead more than the others. But I think her voice

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Speaker 13: is taken quite seriously because of that continuing relationship that

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Speaker 13: she has with Trump.

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Speaker 2: Where's Merchantle? Is he seen favorably by the europe given

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Speaker 2: he is relatively.

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Speaker 13: New at this, I don't know that anyone really thinks

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Speaker 13: that he's that significant when you compare him to the

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Speaker 13: former chancellor, for example, Angela Merkel, who had such a

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Speaker 13: high profile internationally.

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Speaker 2: Is there a fallback position at this point? Publicly expressed

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Speaker 2: that when and putin meat on Saturday our time, and

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Speaker 2: they come up with whatever they come up with, and

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Speaker 2: Europe don't like it, what happens in just outrage well, I.

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Speaker 13: Was surprised to see some reports saying that President Zelenski

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Speaker 13: was willing to concede some of the territory that Russia

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Speaker 13: has already taken. Whether that goes ahead, I'm not really sure.

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Speaker 13: I mean, the EU leaders are saying publicly that Ukraine

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Speaker 13: needs robust and credible security guarantees and still want to

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Speaker 13: defend its sovereignty.

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Speaker 2: Something tells me nothing's going to come out of Saturday,

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Speaker 2: and we're going to be here talking about this for

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Speaker 2: the next few weeks. I gave temperatures Joe Dubrovnick Spain, Greece, Well,

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Speaker 2: what do we got? What's the forecast there in Italy?

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Speaker 13: Well, I feel like I'm trying to compete. But Rome

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Speaker 13: has had thirty eight degrees the last couple of days.

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Speaker 13: There are other parts of the country that are around

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Speaker 13: forty and many news reports saying it's hot here than

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Speaker 13: it is in North Africa. But we've had sixteen cities

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Speaker 13: on high alert today. You know, the health ministry is

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Speaker 13: concerned about people staying hydrated. We had news of a

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Speaker 13: four year old child dying after being trapped in a car,

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Speaker 13: so there is concern, and there's also concern about fires.

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Speaker 13: We haven't had the major fires that we've seen in Spain,

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Speaker 13: but we have had a big one around Vesuvius that

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Speaker 13: is now under control.

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Speaker 2: Is it all over Italy or just bits of Italy?

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Speaker 7: Oh?

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Speaker 13: Look, it's pretty much all over Italy in different spots.

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Speaker 13: I've run away to the mountains. It's about thirty degrees

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Speaker 13: up here in the Marquet region, but it still feels

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Speaker 13: pretty damn hot.

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Speaker 2: Goodness makee and is it going do you have a

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Speaker 2: long range full cast? Is this into September October? And

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Speaker 2: what about the grapes? What about the touch ye?

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Speaker 13: Actually, yeah, they're talking about the grapes being under threat

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Speaker 13: and dairy farmers, you know, struggling with their cattle, so

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Speaker 13: there will be further concern. We'll hear more, i think

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Speaker 13: from the farmers organization about what's going to happen with

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Speaker 13: crops and vineyards. So in the short term we're going

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Speaker 13: to probably come down a few degrees in the next

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Speaker 13: couple of weeks, but it's still pretty worrying.

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Speaker 2: I think in agriculture, you stay cool in the mountains.

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Speaker 2: Nice to see or see next Thursday. Joe McKenna and Italy.

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Speaker 2: This morning. We keep hearing Mike Howe and when the

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Speaker 2: farming sector does well, the rest of the economy does well.

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Speaker 2: What's happening, Brian, Very very good question. More in a

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Speaker 2: moment eleven Away from seven.

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Speaker 1: Don Mike Hosking Breakfast with Rainthrover.

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Speaker 2: News, Tom's dad be Mike, why you're not mentioning Bloomfield.

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Speaker 2: It's not a bad question at this point. He has

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Speaker 2: talked to them, along with Susie Wiles, David Skeiggshawn Hendy.

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Speaker 2: June they talked to Baker and Roche. Now I'm guessing

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Speaker 2: and will dig a bit deeper, but I am guessing

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Speaker 2: that the upset is the public accountability of politicians. So

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Speaker 2: Bloomfield as a wonk is not publicly accountable in the

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Speaker 2: sense he wasn't elected. But that's my best guess at

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Speaker 2: the moment. Mike Hipkins has inquiry hesitancy. It's quite good.

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Speaker 2: Perhaps they should mandate politicians to take the inquiry or

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Speaker 2: lose their job. You've done quite well on this this morning, Mike. Now,

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Speaker 2: how many of you are like this? This is Graham, Mike.

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Speaker 2: They did show the commission is a question and answer meeting,

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Speaker 2: not a media show or an act political beat up.

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Speaker 2: All questions were answered, and most of us never see

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Speaker 2: a commission in the face anyway. Now, how many people

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Speaker 2: does he speak on? Behalf of there? In other words,

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Speaker 2: Graham's an apologists for accountability. He thinks that what's been

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Speaker 2: done is fine. Hipkins yesterday said look, I said aside

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Speaker 2: two hours and went along. They ran out of questions

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Speaker 2: after an hour. But the point is, it's the old

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Speaker 2: justice thing, isn't it. Justice needs to be seen to

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Speaker 2: be done. What were the questions? What were the answers?

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Speaker 2: Why did they run out of questions? Are you honestly

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Speaker 2: telling me that after one hour you wouldn't have more

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Speaker 2: questions on the COVID inquiry and so on and so

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Speaker 2: for we don't know the answers because we never saw

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Speaker 2: what happened. As regards the earlier texture on the farming

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Speaker 2: doing well, the country does well, it's a very good point.

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Speaker 2: But the difficulty is, and what you're seeing at the

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Speaker 2: moment that's so deeply, deeply worrying is that even though

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Speaker 2: the farming community is doing fantastically well, even with all

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Speaker 2: of that income and all of that growth, it still

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Speaker 2: doesn't appear to be able to offset the wider economy.

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Speaker 2: In other words, we are so desperately reliant on one

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Speaker 2: sector that even when they do well, the country doesn't

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Speaker 2: do well anymore. So it may well be that old

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Speaker 2: adage doesn't flow through that. In other words, it's so

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Speaker 2: doer outside of the farming community that even with all

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Speaker 2: of their success, it doesn't counterbalance what's going on in

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Speaker 2: the rest of the country. And that is why we

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Speaker 2: should all be worried. And that's why Tony Alexander said

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Speaker 2: something I thought Philly profound yesterday, but I'll come back

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Speaker 2: to that shortly five away from seven.

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Speaker 1: While the ins and the outs, it's the fizz with

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Speaker 1: business Faber, take your business productivity to the next level.

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Speaker 2: Right Housing update, When you sell, do you make any money?

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Speaker 11: Yes?

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Speaker 13: You do.

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Speaker 2: So what we've got is the famed Pain and Gain

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Speaker 2: report this morning from cotality. Eighty nine point four percent

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Speaker 2: of property sold made a profit. This is for Q

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Speaker 2: two this year. It's down a little bit from ninety

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Speaker 2: point seven and Q one one. The clickbait bit is

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Speaker 2: it's the lowest rope, so it's twenty fourteen. But basically

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Speaker 2: what you're saying is nine out of ten houses make

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Speaker 2: a profit, so it's not really that bad. And the

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Speaker 2: average gain. When you do sell for a profit, you're

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Speaker 2: making on average two hundred seventy nine thousand dollars. Now

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Speaker 2: is that good? Well, it's not the four hundred and

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Speaker 2: forty thousand dollars you made during COVID, but then take

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Speaker 2: out the pandemic because that was mental. It is, in

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Speaker 2: fact the highest number we've ever seen, so I would

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Speaker 2: thought that's good news. You're making more money than you

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Speaker 2: ever have bar COVID. Average loss if you sold it

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Speaker 2: a loss was fifty two and a half thousand dollars.

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Speaker 2: A lot of it depends, of course, how long you

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Speaker 2: held the place. It's the age old story. The people

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Speaker 2: who lost generally had only held for three and a

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Speaker 2: half years on average. Those who made a profit have

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Speaker 2: been holding for nine years. Long you hold them more,

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Speaker 2: you make apartments not so good.

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Speaker 10: Q two.

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Speaker 2: A third sold for a loss. That's compared with just

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Speaker 2: under ten percent of houses, so that's a material difference.

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Speaker 2: Losses for both on average about fifty grand. Roughly, if

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Speaker 2: you sell for a loss, it's about fifty grand. Average

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Speaker 2: profit on a house is to seventy six, but the

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Speaker 2: average profit on an apartment is one ten. So not

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Speaker 2: only do you stand a greater chance of losing money.

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Speaker 2: When you do sell it a profit. In an apartment,

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Speaker 2: you're not making as much. Christ Church, come on in

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Speaker 2: four point nine percent of home sold for a loss,

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Speaker 2: so Birch ninety five out of one hundred sell for

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Speaker 2: a profit. Auckland's got the highest loss rate sixteen percent

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Speaker 2: of houses and Auckland sold for a loss, towerng of

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Speaker 2: thirteen percent, Wellington almost twelve. Tower long A, though had

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Speaker 2: the highest resale profit number at three seven three. Christ

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Speaker 2: Church lowes to two sixty three. That's the main centers.

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Speaker 2: Outside the main centers bring a ticky not good. Twenty

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Speaker 2: percent of houses sell as the lost Queenstown that's where

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Speaker 2: you make the gold. Mindy, you paid a lot in

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Speaker 2: the first place, of course, because it's expensive to buy

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Speaker 2: on that part of the world. I think the median

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Speaker 2: is about one point seven. It's the same as Sydney

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Speaker 2: at the moment. Anyway, if your self for a profit

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Speaker 2: in Queenstown, you're pocketing over half a million dollars five

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Speaker 2: hundred and sixty six thousand dollars, right, Oh God, don't

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Speaker 2: you wish for better in this country? Don't you wish

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Speaker 2: we had leaders that were actually just a little bit

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Speaker 2: more accountable than that they are. Yes, Hipkins, isn't.

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Speaker 1: It the Breakfast show, Kiwi's trust to stay in the know,

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Speaker 1: the mic asking Breakfast with a Veda, Retirement Communities, Life

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Speaker 1: Your Way News togs Head be.

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Speaker 2: Seven past seven? So how about the call from the

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Speaker 2: Labor Party not to front for the COVID inquiry from

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Speaker 2: just Cindra Dona, Chris Hipkins, Grant Robertson, Nation Beryl. No

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Speaker 2: one is willing to show up publicly, So next week's

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Speaker 2: hearings are off. Chris Hipkins is with us. Good morning,

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Mike. Do you realize how shocking this looks?

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Speaker 10: What's that? Mike?

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Speaker 2: You not turning out?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 10: I have turned up. I've turned up to the Royal

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Speaker 10: Commission twice. I was interviewed by the first Royal Commission.

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Speaker 10: I was interviewed by the Second Royal Commission. And when

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Speaker 10: they sent three written questions, I gave them about twenty

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Speaker 10: pages of answers. It's the Royal Commission themselves seat yesterday.

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Speaker 10: I've answered every question that they've asked. They're given them

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Speaker 10: every piece of information that they've asked for.

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Speaker 2: My apologies, you're not turning up in public.

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Speaker 10: Well, I mean the Royal Commission themselves have said that

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Speaker 10: they're not holding any further public hearings. They've set out

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Speaker 10: a variety of reasons for there, and one of the

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Speaker 10: things that they said in their minute of the decision

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Speaker 10: that they took not told through the public hearings, was

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Speaker 10: that the ministers, the former ministers concerned, have answered every

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Speaker 10: question that's been put to them.

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Speaker 2: Right, So is it on Ellingworth or is it on

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Speaker 2: you to be the better person?

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Speaker 10: Well, I mean, ultimately the Royal Commission made this decision themselves.

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Speaker 10: But you know, let's be clear. I've appeared before them,

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Speaker 10: I gave them. They asked me to be available for

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Speaker 10: two hours of interviews, which I did and then they

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Speaker 10: ran out of questions after about it.

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Speaker 5: At the time.

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Speaker 2: But they may be inconfident. I don't know because I've

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Speaker 2: not seen it and I've not seen you either. That's

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Speaker 2: the whole point of this. People would like you to

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Speaker 2: be seen, to be held to some level of account.

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Speaker 2: Is there something wrong with that?

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Speaker 10: Well, Mike, you've got the highest rating breakfast show in

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Speaker 10: New Zealand, and here I am answering your questions. If

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Speaker 10: you've got questions about the COVID response fire away.

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Speaker 2: But if it's the mic Hosking breakfast COVID inquiry, that's fine,

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Speaker 2: but it isn't. There's a Royal Commission set up or

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Speaker 2: a COVID inquiry set up in this country to get

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Speaker 2: to the bottom of one of the most important events

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Speaker 2: in this country's history. And you don't even want to

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Speaker 2: front publicly. But I've as I said, no, no, no,

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Speaker 2: I know what you've said. But you're not fronting publicly.

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Speaker 2: You're you're actively avoiding fronting publicly.

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Speaker 10: Well I'm here now. I mean it's great that you've

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Speaker 10: invited me on for the second time this year, you know,

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Speaker 10: and every day I appear before the media and I

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Speaker 10: answer questions and people can ask you what a lot?

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Speaker 2: But that's an acceptable excuse, Chris. Then we don't need

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Speaker 2: an inquiry. Is that what you're saying, We don't need

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Speaker 2: an inquiry just to old turn up on the media.

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Speaker 10: Well, I mean the first Royal Commission I think answered

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Speaker 10: all of the questions on COVID very well. That was

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Speaker 10: quite critical of the previous government. They indicated the things

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Speaker 10: that we thought we had we could have done better.

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Speaker 10: And it's difficult to know what the Second Royal Commission

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Speaker 10: is going to say different to that. But I mean,

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Speaker 10: let's let's wait and see what they come.

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Speaker 2: But is that part is that part of your problem,

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Speaker 2: part of the problem. You called it a stitch up.

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Speaker 2: This is the part two you think is for conspiracy theorists.

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Speaker 10: The Second Royal Commission themselves have said that we've answered

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Speaker 10: every single question that they've put to them. Now they

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Speaker 10: have no further information that they wanted to ask. When

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Speaker 10: they said that they wanted to do the hearing again

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Speaker 10: to basically repeat the episodes, they said that they weren't

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Speaker 10: ask exactly the same questions and that there wasn't any

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Speaker 10: further information.

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Speaker 2: They I mean, so you don't the point, You don't well,

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Speaker 2: you don't see the optics of it.

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Speaker 10: Well, I mean, as I said, the Royal Commission themselves

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Speaker 10: have said that we've answered every question, but.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what those questions are. I don't know

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Speaker 2: whether illingworst worth worth of pinchers salt. I wouldn't have

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Speaker 2: a clue because no one can see it.

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Speaker 10: But all of that is there's going to be publican

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Speaker 10: but it's not.

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Speaker 2: At the moment, and there's no point. There's no point

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Speaker 2: saying it will be made public and then with the

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Speaker 2: benefit of hindsight, we can go hold on, they didn't

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Speaker 2: ask this, and you didn't say this, and we wouldn't

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Speaker 2: mind another go why can't we just see it away?

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Speaker 2: You know the British system, for example, you get to

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Speaker 2: see what's going on publicly. Elected officials get to be

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Speaker 2: held to account publicly.

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Speaker 10: Well, that's not been New Zealand's past practice. So no

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Speaker 10: Royal Commission has ever held public hearings involving ministers before

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Speaker 10: following the christ Church earth quake, for example, following the

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Speaker 10: terrorists tech in christ Church. The practice the current Royal

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Speaker 10: Commissioner following is the practice every Royal Commission in New

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Speaker 10: Zealand's history of following.

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Speaker 2: Right, So you agree with the idea that you shouldn't

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Speaker 2: be held to account publicly. This is this is a

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Speaker 2: good way of conducting business and people should just accept

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Speaker 2: that as it is.

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Speaker 10: I'm held to account publicly every day, Mike.

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Speaker 2: Knowing, but not in the sense of the specific commission.

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Speaker 2: Should Ellingworth call you, because I understand he's got the

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Speaker 2: power to do so.

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Speaker 10: But that's a question to him, not a question to be.

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Speaker 2: I know, should he What would your advise to him,

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Speaker 2: be well.

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Speaker 10: Give Royal Commissions advice. I answer their questions, and that's

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Speaker 10: exactly what I've done.

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Speaker 2: Okay, did you coalesce with Robertson and Verel and Addern

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Speaker 2: to make this sort of a collective decision?

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Speaker 10: We had representatives in common who corresponded with the Royal Commission,

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Speaker 10: but each of us individually briefed that representative.

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Speaker 2: Who's the representative?

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Speaker 10: Well, at the moment that's been Denton's.

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Speaker 2: Who are the company?

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Speaker 4: You mean?

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Speaker 10: Yes, that is great?

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Speaker 2: Okay, So they advised you not to appear or you

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Speaker 2: advised them that you wouldn't be appearing.

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Speaker 10: Well, see again, you're mischaracterizing it said it was no question.

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Speaker 2: No appearing publicly, just just for future reference, for the future.

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Speaker 2: For the rest of the questions in this interview, I'm

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Speaker 2: referring to you appearing publicly. Right, So was it Denton's

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Speaker 2: who advised you not to appear publicly or did you

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Speaker 2: advise them?

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Speaker 10: Well, you're misrepresenting my position. Like I have appeared before

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Speaker 10: the Commission.

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Speaker 2: You have not appeared publicly before the Commission?

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Speaker 10: Well, I have. I have answered all of the Commission.

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying that I've said you have not appeared

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Speaker 2: publicly before the Commission. Did they advise you not to

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Speaker 2: appear publicly?

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Speaker 10: Denton's I indicated to the Commission that I was Dentons.

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Speaker 2: Did Dentons advise you not to appear publicly?

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Speaker 10: Well, one of the things that Dentons did raise with us.

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Speaker 10: They raised several issues. One was that you know, no

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Speaker 10: ministers had previously done this, and that it would create

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Speaker 10: a precedent if we did so. The second thing they

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Speaker 10: raised was concerned about the fact that people who had

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Speaker 10: already appeared publicly before the Royal Commission had been the

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Speaker 10: subject of significant abuse, and that is concerned that the

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Speaker 10: Commission themselves, the Royal Commission themselves have acknowledged in the

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Speaker 10: decision that they took yesterday.

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Speaker 2: So the spin doctors told you not to appear publicly

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Speaker 2: and you went, thanks very much, I'll take that advice.

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Speaker 10: No, I don't think that's correct.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's just what you explained to me. You said

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Speaker 2: that there were troubles with people appearing and that appeared

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Speaker 2: to be up your alley, and you said, as a

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Speaker 2: result of that, now I won't be appearing publicly.

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Speaker 10: Well, that's your spin on it mine.

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Speaker 2: Well, is it their spin? And their advice to you.

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Speaker 10: Well, I I just set out what their advice to

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Speaker 10: be was, so that well, just.

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Speaker 2: For the record, their advice appeared to be that if

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Speaker 2: you appear publicly, it might not go well for you.

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Speaker 10: No, that's not what That's not the advice. I mean,

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Speaker 10: there's part of the advice that I can't comment on.

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Speaker 2: But who's paying for Dentons? Because who's paying for dates.

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Speaker 10: The public?

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Speaker 2: Right, So why can't you comment.

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Speaker 10: Well, because then I would be before a court. Why

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Speaker 10: because when the court issues a suppression order that says

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Speaker 10: you can't talk about something, you can't talk about it.

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Speaker 2: So who's issued the suppression order? Do you have an

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Speaker 2: agreement with Dentons that you don't talk publicly about what

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Speaker 2: they tell you?

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Speaker 10: There are issues relating to the safety of individuals around

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Speaker 10: the COVID nineteen response and public commentary on it that

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Speaker 10: the courts have indicated I cannot comment on or anyone

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Speaker 10: including you cannot comment on, and therefore we can't comment

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Speaker 10: on them.

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Speaker 2: So even though we're paying for the spin doctors and

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Speaker 2: the spin doctors telling you not to appear publicly, you

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Speaker 2: sit here this morning in front of the biggest radio

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Speaker 2: audience in this country, the same audience you will go

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Speaker 2: to next year in an election campaign and go nothing

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Speaker 2: to see here. I've done my job.

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Speaker 10: Well, you haven't asked me any questions. As I said,

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Speaker 10: to feel free every day. I'm available to answer any

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Speaker 10: questions on any matter of the COVID response, and you've

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Speaker 10: chosen not to ask me any but you're welcome to

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Speaker 10: at any point.

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Speaker 2: Does Ja Cindra Aderne deserve to answer some questions to

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Speaker 2: the public as well?

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Speaker 10: Well, that's a question for her.

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Speaker 2: She doesn't talk to me. She doesn't talk to New

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Speaker 2: Zealand media anymore apart from when she's promoting a book.

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Speaker 2: So as a person who knows her well, does should

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Speaker 2: she be answering questions?

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Speaker 10: Not to be fear Mike, I don't think she's spoken

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Speaker 10: to you for quite some time. But those are questions

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Speaker 10: for her, not for me.

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Speaker 2: All right, Listen, I got to go Chris Hopkins, Denton's

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Speaker 2: and lawyers by the way, just to clear that up.

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Speaker 2: As opposed to spend doctors, although lawyers of course, as

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Speaker 2: we I think, no, can't be spent doctors, But just

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Speaker 2: to make that clear. It is sixteen seven The.

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Speaker 1: High Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered by

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Speaker 2: B I will come back to your feedback in just

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Speaker 2: a moment, just really quickly going through those hundreds coming

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Speaker 2: in as you. Slippery is a word that's been used

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Speaker 2: quite a lot, slippery other matters quickly. Eighteen past seven.

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Speaker 2: Bit of good news around school leave us. I think

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Speaker 2: sort of seventy six point one percent left last year

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Speaker 2: with the NCEEA level two. Now that's up from seventy

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Speaker 2: five point five, fifty five point five percent left with

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Speaker 2: level three, which is up from fifty two point eight,

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Speaker 2: forty point two percent left with university entrance up from

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Speaker 2: thirty eight point six. So is that good? I guess

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Speaker 2: Erica Stanford's Education minister, and is with us morning, good morning?

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Speaker 2: Are they material improvements that you can go I did that?

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Speaker 2: Or might you have just got a bunch of kids

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Speaker 2: born at the right time who happened to do just

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Speaker 2: a smodge better than the ones born before them.

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Speaker 14: I think it's showing that that climb out of COVID

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Speaker 14: that we're saying, Look, I became the minister, and you

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Speaker 14: know December twenty twenty three, and these students started what

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Speaker 14: gree twenty twenty four, So while we had an hour

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Speaker 14: a day of reading, writing, and maths and a big

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Speaker 14: focus on the basics. I think this is the incline

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Speaker 14: you're starting to see. But the decline, the bit at

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Speaker 14: the bottom, I'm really worried about that is decades of decline.

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Speaker 2: I just wonder if you've got different groups, you got

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Speaker 2: two distinct groups. You got the kids who will go

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Speaker 2: to school, some will do better than the others, obviously,

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Speaker 2: then you've got a group of kids who are destined

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Speaker 2: to go nowhere from day one.

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Speaker 14: I don't think they're destined to go nowhere. I think

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Speaker 14: we can change their destiny. That's what we're doing with

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Speaker 14: our huge reform program. The problem is, when we knew

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Speaker 14: these kids last year who left without anything, ten thousand

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Speaker 14: of them. We knew who they were when they were

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Speaker 14: in year five and twenty eighteen, when a quarter of

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Speaker 14: them were at curriculum for mathematics, and nothing happened. That's

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Speaker 14: why I'm looking at that data that's coming through from

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Speaker 14: primary school. That's lighting a fire. We've got this huge

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Speaker 14: reform program, structured literacy, structured maths, all the maths books,

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Speaker 14: the different way of teaching explicitly, and we're already starting

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Speaker 14: to see rezil in phonics, and we'll have some data

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Speaker 14: out in term three about that. We can see the

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Speaker 14: results happening. So I don't want to be sitting here

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Speaker 14: in ten years time or five years time when these

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Speaker 14: kids hit high school going or they failed again. It

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Speaker 14: is a tale of two hearts.

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Speaker 2: Do we do exit interviews with kids who leave with nothing?

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Speaker 10: No, we don't.

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Speaker 14: We probably should, but we do track them like we

895
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Speaker 14: can see those who turn up in tertiary institutions, and

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Speaker 14: not many of them do. Many of them become neats,

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Speaker 14: many of them go on benefit. It's not a good

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Speaker 14: life outcome when you don't leave an n CEA or

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Speaker 14: a qualification. The longer you stay in school, the more

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Speaker 14: likely you are to get something, and the better your

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Speaker 14: life outcomes. And that's got to be our goal.

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Speaker 2: Okay, did you hear the Hipkins interview?

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Speaker 14: Look, I just missed it. I'm really sorry. I heard

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Speaker 14: the very beginning when you started to have a go

905
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Speaker 14: at him.

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Speaker 15: But I think.

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Speaker 14: My feeling is, Look, I know they've answered all the questions,

908
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Speaker 14: but the public owed a level of transparency, given what

909
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Speaker 14: we all went through that I I think they owe

910
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Speaker 14: it to us to provide and we're not getting that.

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Speaker 14: That's a shame.

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Speaker 2: Nice to talk to Erica Stamford, Education Minister. It is

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Speaker 2: seven twenty one.

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Speaker 1: The Mike Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio, pow

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Speaker 2: EP it is seven twenty four. Rider. Let's go through

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Speaker 2: some of the feedback. OMG, Mike, what on earth? Who

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Speaker 2: would even consider voting for such incompetence? He needs to go, Mike.

919
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Speaker 2: I'm sure you had one thousand texts, but the bottom

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Speaker 2: line is that the chippocrite, I think, unfortunately that's going

921
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Speaker 2: to stick. The chipocrit has not fit for public office.

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Speaker 2: Hopefully the interview was the end of it. The most

923
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Speaker 2: infuriating interview I've ever heard is arrogance and Smami comments

924
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Speaker 2: horrifically poor. Well done, Mike, He's on the ripes. Arrogance

925
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 2: is unbelievable. And with that, how could anyone have confidence

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Speaker 2: in his ability to run a country when he's not

927
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Speaker 2: prepared to be publicly accountable? Mike, I f Pellowden. This

928
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Speaker 2: guy is so arrogant. I wish the rest of the

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Speaker 2: political journalists held them to account. Never argue with stupid people, Mike.

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Speaker 2: They will drag you down to their level and then

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Speaker 2: beat you with the experience. Mike, the best interview ever. Well,

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Speaker 2: I don't think that's true. Slipkins Chip a crital Slipkins

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Speaker 2: Hipkins interview who said they were going to be the

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Speaker 2: most transparent open government. I should have used that line

935
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Speaker 2: to him. Of course. It's a very good point, Mike,

936
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Speaker 2: And he's digging himself up in many respects. It's not

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Speaker 2: about the performance of the interviews. In many respects, as

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Speaker 2: far as I can as an observer, he's digging himself

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Speaker 2: a monumental hole. And I'm assuming someone got to him

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Speaker 2: with this. Maybe they just can't read the room. Maybe

941
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Speaker 2: you got your Willow Gene primes and they just sit

942
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Speaker 2: there in their bubble and they honestly don't see how

943
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Speaker 2: bad they look. I mean, what he presented in front

944
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Speaker 2: of the country this morning was shocking. Now he's allowed

945
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Speaker 2: to do it, and it's his view and he's entitled

946
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Speaker 2: to it, and he might, in his quiet moments, genuinely

947
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Speaker 2: believe that filling out some paperwork from Illingworth KC Is

948
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Speaker 2: all he needs to do. But I find it hard

949
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Speaker 2: to believe that no one anywhere got to him at

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Speaker 2: some point indeed robertson' a deern. They're so arrogant they

951
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Speaker 2: probably don't care. They don't need to care anymore, but

952
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Speaker 2: veryl does. And he does that somebody didn't get to

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Speaker 2: them and go, Mate, no matter how much you hate this,

954
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Speaker 2: you've got to be seen to be doing the right thing.

955
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Speaker 2: If you feel you've got the answers to the questions

956
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Speaker 2: what's your problem? Front up, turn the spotlight on and

957
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Speaker 2: go for it. Mike, he is a sloppy, smirky, arrogant prick.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of that. I could read out several

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Speaker 2: hundred versions of that. Jeez, Mike, thanks for trying. He's

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Speaker 2: slippery as an eel, Morning Mike. That guy could walk

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Speaker 2: under a snake with a top hat. I haven't heard

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Speaker 2: that before. That's not actually bad ffs and he wants

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Speaker 2: to be leader again read Chippy. Did you expect anything

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Speaker 2: different from him?

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Speaker 15: You know what?

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Speaker 2: Yes, even in his worst moments, he's got the experience.

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Speaker 2: And I thought the wherewithal too. You see, I could

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Speaker 2: blame Dentons, couldn't I? I mean the lawyers obviously said, mate,

969
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Speaker 2: this is more trouble than it's worth. But lawyers are

970
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Speaker 2: like that. Aren't they. They the lawyers never have to

971
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Speaker 2: go to the public and ask for a vote. How

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Speaker 2: this guy fronts an election year and talks about honesty

973
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Speaker 2: and transparency and stuff without everyone bursting out laughing. I

974
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Speaker 2: don't know. Does the New Zealand taxpayer pay Dentons to

975
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Speaker 2: defend these public Well, yes they do. That's part of

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Speaker 2: the commission process. And you and I are paying for

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Speaker 2: all this and hence the whole argument around transparency, openness

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Speaker 2: and honesty. The singular source of truth, Remember.

979
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Speaker 1: That your source of breaking news, challenging opinion and honors facts.

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Speaker 1: The Mike Hosking breakfast with Rangethrover leading by example, news

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Speaker 1: talks dead be.

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Speaker 2: Where's the team? There's a lot of this, a lot

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Speaker 2: of anger this morning, perhaps not surprisingly, where's the team

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Speaker 2: of five million? Now four short? Does what's right?

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Speaker 8: Or do what's right?

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Speaker 2: Get vaccinated for your country? All four of them plus

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Speaker 2: a few others, Baker, Plank, et cetera. I could think

988
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Speaker 2: of better words than slimy, iffing hypocrites, all of them.

989
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Speaker 2: So plenty of that this morning, twenty three minutes away

990
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Speaker 2: from eight Gilbert and locha mental skills genius behind the

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Speaker 2: all Blacks four many many years left in twenty three.

992
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Speaker 2: These days were for English cricket along with Chelsea C's

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Speaker 2: with us the right meantime are the unions are backed

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Speaker 2: with more strike action on the way. The injury teachers

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Speaker 2: there are this Wednesday. The nurses are out for two

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Speaker 2: more days next month. Anyway, Judith Collins is the Minister

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Speaker 2: of Public Service Centers with us on all of this. Judith,

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Speaker 2: morning to you, good morning. I think you were standing

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Speaker 2: with Erika Stanford yesterday when she was suggesting this is

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Speaker 2: a bit of a stunt. How as far as the

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Speaker 2: teachers are concerned, is it a stunt? Do you think

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Speaker 2: they've only been there for six days?

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Speaker 11: Well, not only six days, but clearly they looks like

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Speaker 11: they spent more time on their marketing than they did

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Speaker 11: at the bargaining table. And you know they haven't even

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Speaker 11: put the offer to their members. They've just let's all

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Speaker 11: go out and strike. And what they're going to find is,

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Speaker 11: on top of the four percent to seven and a

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Speaker 11: half percent annual pay progression that's still there, there's an

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Speaker 11: extra one percent on top of that, or three percent

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Speaker 11: over three years. I just say to them, you know

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Speaker 11: these kids that they're targeting, which are the secondary's kids,

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Speaker 11: the senior secondary kids going through exam times and worrying

1014
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Speaker 11: about NCAA and Cambridge. Those are the same kids who've

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Speaker 11: missed out in two years of education when we were

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Speaker 11: stuck in these lockdowns in Auckland. And when I think

1017
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Speaker 11: about what they've already gone through and the teachers don't

1018
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Speaker 11: forget their pay has increased massively over the last few years.

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Speaker 10: You know, I just have a heart.

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Speaker 11: Stop using these kids like some football and get a

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Speaker 11: union that actually cares about them.

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Speaker 2: Do you happen? I mean, it's an impossible question to answer,

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Speaker 2: I think, but do you have a sense that is

1024
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Speaker 2: this union driven and there are plenty of teachers out

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Speaker 2: there who actually, in a quiet moment, wouldn't be going

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Speaker 2: along with it? Or are they all in and they

1027
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Speaker 2: hate you and they're feeling ripped off and they're on

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Speaker 2: strike No matter what.

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Speaker 11: I don't think the teachers hate us. I mean they've

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Speaker 11: got a minister in Erica Stanford who was the biggest

1031
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Speaker 11: advocate ever for teachers. I mean she and the government,

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Speaker 11: without being asked to, went off and paid for all

1033
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Speaker 11: of their teacher registration fees that have been an ex

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Speaker 11: for a long time. She's put huge amounts of money

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Speaker 11: into professional development, She's done all these things, and you know,

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Speaker 11: it gets the bargaining table. We go to the bargaining

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Speaker 11: table and it's obviously all just a stunt. That's they

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Speaker 11: don't even put an offer back. They just go, we're

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Speaker 11: not even putting it to our people are on strike.

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Speaker 11: What those same teachers are going to find is that

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Speaker 11: actually partial strikes means partial loss of pay as well. Now,

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Speaker 11: and I don't think there's these unions are actually put

1043
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Speaker 11: in their teachers first. What they are as they've said

1044
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Speaker 11: it for you know, we've seen it from the public

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Speaker 11: service sector unions. They're going to keep on striking and striking,

1046
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Speaker 11: carrying on to cause as much disruption because they don't

1047
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Speaker 11: want this particular government, they want another one.

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Speaker 4: That was.

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Speaker 2: Exactly I was going to ask, how much do you

1050
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Speaker 2: think of this as ideological? They simply don't like you.

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Speaker 11: You know, look, you've got a where were they worrying

1052
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Speaker 11: about what was happening with our kids when they were

1053
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Speaker 11: locked down? You know, where were they? I don't remember

1054
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Speaker 11: them ever saying anything about what's going to happen with

1055
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Speaker 11: these kids? What I did know is that there were

1056
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Speaker 11: teachers who are worried about it. But I didn't hear

1057
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Speaker 11: the union there. Know they were right in there supporting

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Speaker 11: the then government no matter what.

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Speaker 2: As I think we've discussed this before, but certainly nurses,

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Speaker 2: I mean that number of the Prime Minister often quotes

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Speaker 2: about one hundred and twenty five hundred and twenty seven

1062
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Speaker 2: thousand dollars for senior nurse. It's on. It's commensurate with

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Speaker 2: New South Wales. Now, I think we can say the

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Speaker 2: same about teachers, can't we. Teachers are actually quite well

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Speaker 2: paid now, aren't they.

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Speaker 11: Well, when you've taken into account twelve weeks, that's three

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Speaker 11: months paid leave every year, plus all the profescial development,

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Speaker 11: plus everything else that goes with it, all the allowances.

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Speaker 11: If you've got ten years experience with the normal allowances,

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Speaker 11: that most would be getting one hundred and forty seven

1071
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Speaker 11: thousand a year. And you add in that the fact

1072
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Speaker 11: that there's three months paid leave. Now who else gets that?

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Speaker 2: It's not bad?

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Speaker 10: No?

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Speaker 2: Just quickly, Well, I've got you as a seasoned practitioner

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Speaker 2: and I'm a wonk. But watching yesterday Jerry and his philosophy,

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Speaker 2: the philosophy that he sees the public attacking you guys,

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Speaker 2: and to do something about that, we need to tidy

1079
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Speaker 2: ourselves up in the house. I actually thought that wasn't

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Speaker 2: a bad argument.

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Speaker 11: Well, I'm but careful what I say because just in case,

1082
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Speaker 11: and I don't want to have an opinion on it,

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Speaker 11: anything goes to Privileges Committee.

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Speaker 10: But MA sure of it.

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Speaker 11: But it is important. We've always had rules about what

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Speaker 11: you can say and not say in Parliament, and one

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Speaker 11: of them is to call someone else lacking and courage

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Speaker 11: and that's those rules have been there forever, well before

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Speaker 11: some of these newer MPs have turned up, and they're

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Speaker 11: there for a reason, and it's about acting and behaving

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Speaker 11: in a professional manner. Parliament does have a certain amount

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Speaker 11: of theater to it and that keeps us all excited

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Speaker 11: about every day, obviously apart from the great work. But

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Speaker 11: the other thing is it shouldn't become just a comedy

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Speaker 11: of jokes and stupid behavior, because ultimately we end up

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Speaker 11: with this is the same body that asked the public

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Speaker 11: to respect us to act in the way that is professional,

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Speaker 11: and what we don't want to do is to see

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Speaker 11: Parliament descend into some sort of as I said, comedy

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Speaker 11: of errors.

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Speaker 2: What do you make of Hipkins and co Oh.

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Speaker 11: Well, you know, would it be too rude to call

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Speaker 11: them gutless, spineless, hypocritical? I look at this and think

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Speaker 11: you guys were every single day telling us all through

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Speaker 11: those lockdowns and everything else when we're at threat of lockdown,

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Speaker 11: in lockdown, just come out of lockdown? Why you are

1107
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 11: the sole source of truth and suddenly you're you too

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Speaker 11: chicken to turn up? And the excuses that I've heard,

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Speaker 11: I think imagine if Christopher Luxon pulled that one. Can

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Speaker 11: you imagine it? I actually wouldn't be surprised. I mean,

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Speaker 11: we saw how to Cindra don decide you couldn't go

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Speaker 11: on your show because you asked your some hard questions, Okay,

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Speaker 11: and I expect that Chris Fipkins will probably do the same.

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Speaker 2: Now, yeah, all right, I appreciate it. Judith Collins, we

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Speaker 2: started out Minister of Public Service and we moved to

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Speaker 2: other areas. But that's the fun of this program, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: Seventeen to Way.

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Speaker 1: Good the Vike Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio

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Speaker 1: now ad By News Talks, that'd be.

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Speaker 2: I just thought of something. Denton's advised them not to front.

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Speaker 2: Part of the problem with the Labor government, particularly twenty

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Speaker 2: through twenty three, is because they were so lazy in opposition.

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Speaker 2: They hadn't prepared for government. They didn't know what to do,

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Speaker 2: so they were very, very very heavily reliant on advice

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Speaker 2: from the public service. Hence the tremendous cock up of

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Speaker 2: the COVID inquiry are the COVID period generally, I'm just

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Speaker 2: wondering if Denton's go for legal reasons and all sorts

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Speaker 2: of reasons that lawyers come up with, we suggest you

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Speaker 2: don't appear publicly and instead of thinking for themselves, because

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Speaker 2: they're so reliant on other people telling them what to do,

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Speaker 2: no one actually got to them and said, look at

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Speaker 2: the optics. I might be wrong. Just a thought. Tony

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Speaker 2: Alexander couple of really really interesting things you've got to

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Speaker 2: read in his latest update on One Roof under the

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Speaker 2: headline rates are going to rise, homeowners need to buy

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Speaker 2: themselves time. He sort of agrees with me, but then

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Speaker 2: he doesn't. It pays for He says three A couple

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Speaker 2: of key things. It pays to recognize this where interest

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Speaker 2: rates next week is be time, cash rate time mortgage

1140
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Speaker 2: rate time, all that stuff. It pays. He says, to

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Speaker 2: recognize that over the past three years, New Zealand's level

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Speaker 2: of productivity has gone down. There is no productivity growth

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Speaker 2: in our economy, which means for every given life of

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Speaker 2: growth in our output, there will be an extra upward

1145
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 2: pressure on prices. Now, that's obviously a damning indictment on

1146
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Speaker 2: the New Zealand economy, but there's a connection here. Business

1147
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:14,360
Speaker 2: margins are extremely tight. One measure I calculate shows margins

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Speaker 2: at their worst level since at least nineteen seventy. A

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Speaker 2: well above average proportion of businesses are reporting that they

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Speaker 2: plan to raise their prices next year, and that is

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Speaker 2: something which the Reserve Bank will keep in mind as

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Speaker 2: it assesses monetary policy. So what he's saying is, even

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Speaker 2: though we're stuffed and there's no growth to be seen,

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Speaker 2: what we do is inflationary and the RB's job is

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Speaker 2: to look at inflation. Is it a problem that already

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Speaker 2: is a problem at two point seven, Yes, within the band,

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Speaker 2: but trending up so they may act on the concerns

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Speaker 2: they foresee even though the inflation's not driven by anything

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Speaker 2: particularly good. You see what he's saying here none of

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Speaker 2: he concludes, none of these arguments preclude further cuts, but

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Speaker 2: they do mean and this is the critical part, but

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Speaker 2: they do mean this. If rates get cut to say

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Speaker 2: two point five, and this is obviously where we agree

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Speaker 2: with each other. I think neutrals at two point five,

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Speaker 2: not the three that some people are arguing. But he says,

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Speaker 2: the rates get cut to say two point five in

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Speaker 2: the next six months, then borrowers should anticipate relatively quick

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Speaker 2: increases once we get into twenty twenty seven. So on

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Speaker 2: the mortgage front, what he's saying is split short and long,

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Speaker 2: because if it goes down and you're sitting there saying

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Speaker 2: it's two and a half neutral and you maybe maybe

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Speaker 2: your mortgage rates even low fors, it's going to start

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Speaker 2: going up real fast. So that's well worth reading in

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Speaker 2: full tender way.

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Speaker 1: The Mike casking breakfast with Dailey's Real estate news dogs

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Speaker 1: they'd be given.

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Speaker 2: Away from it. So the land v. Tree debates hotted

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Speaker 2: up again. I'm afraid to tell you, fed farmer is

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Speaker 2: not happy. They see loopholes and what the government are

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Speaker 2: trying to do around the productive farmland v the carbon

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Speaker 2: offsets and planting pine trees, et cetera. Richard Dawkins's fed

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Speaker 2: farmer's forestry man, and he's well there's Richard morning.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, good morning.

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Speaker 2: Mind tricky one, This isn't it the line between what

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Speaker 2: a government to all the rules of the day are

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Speaker 2: versus what a person should be able to do with

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Speaker 2: their land. I mean, where do you land on that?

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Speaker 15: I don't think it's complex at all. Actually, Mike, look

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Speaker 15: what we're advocating for. It still allows owners to do

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Speaker 15: what they choose with their land. And that's a really

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Speaker 15: important point. The proposals are a twenty five percent restriction

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Speaker 15: on carbon credits, on your ability to claim carbon. It's

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Speaker 15: not actually a restriction on what you can and can't

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Speaker 15: do with your land.

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Speaker 2: The intent to plant thing that seemingly has been sorted.

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Speaker 2: Has it been sorted and has it been sorted to

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Speaker 2: your satisfaction?

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Speaker 15: Well, time will only tell on that, Mike. What I

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Speaker 15: can say is they have tightened up that loophole, which

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Speaker 15: is great to see. So foresters now need to requirements, Well,

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Speaker 15: they need to prove that that ordered seedlings and are

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Speaker 15: intended to buy land before December. The fourth site has

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Speaker 15: tightened up it.

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Speaker 2: So just to explain to people that haven't followed this.

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Speaker 2: People are buying seedlings, they don't have the land. They say, look,

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Speaker 2: we're going to eventually buy some land. So they've tightened

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Speaker 2: up on that aspect of it.

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Speaker 11: Run.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, that's right. But the major hole still is the

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Speaker 15: fact that the majority of sheep and beef farms, you know,

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Speaker 15: the engine room that drives our industry, are on classes

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Speaker 15: six and seven, and there's no restrictions on the ability

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Speaker 15: to claim carbon on class seven, and fifteen thousand hectares

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Speaker 15: can still be converted on class six.

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Speaker 2: So class one to five is only twelve percent versus

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Speaker 2: your six and seven, which is as you say, you

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Speaker 2: beef and sheep. So do they need to move on

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Speaker 2: six or seven or do something with one in five

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Speaker 2: or more with one in five.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, So the restrictions are on classes one to five,

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Speaker 15: so the twenty only can claim twenty five percent of

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Speaker 15: the carbon on that land. But we'd really like to

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Speaker 15: see that extended to classes six and seven as well.

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Speaker 2: How big is the gap between you and the government.

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Speaker 15: Oh, look at it's a simple amendment. It's a very

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Speaker 15: easy change. Just have the restrictions from class one to five.

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Speaker 2: They need to agree with your Richard, and that turns

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Speaker 2: out they don't.

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 15: I think there's a bit of hedging their bets there,

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Speaker 15: sort of trying to keep both industries happy. But at

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Speaker 15: the end of the day, people need to realize without

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Speaker 15: a productive sheep and beef industry, we have less export

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Speaker 15: income as a country and our imports costs more. So

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Speaker 15: worried about it.

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Speaker 2: Good point is what's happening on farm at the moment

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Speaker 2: beef and sheep wise exports money, et cetera. Is that

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Speaker 2: turning the debate? Do you think? Because I mean, every

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Speaker 2: manner's dog can see how good this is.

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Speaker 15: Returns are a hell of a lot better on farm.

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Speaker 15: But there's a simple economic reality, Mike that the returns

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Speaker 15: from basically these licenses to pollute licenses for big corporates

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Speaker 15: to pollute through carbon farming, you can never compete with

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Speaker 15: it in a free market. Sheep returns would have to

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Speaker 15: increase exponentially to even compete. And this is a government

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Speaker 15: created market and we're an unsubsidized farming industry, so it's

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Speaker 15: just not a living people playing field.

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Speaker 2: Always good to talk to your pressure Richardawkins, who's with

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Speaker 2: the fat farmers. By the way, I mentioned the wheat,

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Speaker 2: the barley, the grains. They're struggling and part of the problem.

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Speaker 2: And I sort of realized that, but I didn't realize

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Speaker 2: it was the specific Most people choose to import grains,

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Speaker 2: and what we want is for you to use. If

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Speaker 2: you make bread and stuff like that, we want you

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Speaker 2: to use local. Part of the problem with local is

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Speaker 2: a lot of locals grown in the South, a lot

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Speaker 2: of breads made in the north, and the problem is,

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00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 2: guess what the very expensive cook straight? Can the rail

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Speaker 2: and fairry combinations be upgraded to improve movement of grain

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Speaker 2: from the south to the north. If we could do that,

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Speaker 2: things for the farmer in that area would improve. Isn't

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Speaker 2: it amazing? Yet again, the basics from point A to

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Speaker 2: point B are letting us down something a little more upbeat.

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Speaker 2: I hope Gilbert and Oka the Brains Trust, if you like,

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Speaker 2: for the all Blacks for so many years these days

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Speaker 2: with Chelsea among others. He's in for a word after

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Speaker 2: the News, which is next on the My Costing.

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Speaker 1: Breakfast, The News and the Newsmakers the my Casking Breakfast

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Speaker 1: with Bailey's real Estate altogether better across residential, commercial and

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Speaker 1: rural news talks head been.

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Speaker 2: Seven past eight, so let's get into the world at headstakes,

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Speaker 2: shall we an elite performance? Gilbert and Oka was the

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Speaker 2: All Black's mental skills coach of course for years, retired

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Speaker 2: from the team back in twenty three Sinchmond with England's

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Speaker 2: cricket or England Cricket and the new South Wales origin side,

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Speaker 2: as well as Chelsea and the EPL anyways, book is

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Speaker 2: called Become Unstoppable. Gilbert Andoka is will us.

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Speaker 5: Good morning, Good morning, Mike, thanks for having me on

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Speaker 5: the show.

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Speaker 2: Great pleasure. Talk me through whether what you do is

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01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:42,400
Speaker 2: age old. In other words, you subscribe today or prescribe

1282
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 2: exactly what you did twenty years ago, or as your

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01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 2: field evolved dramatically.

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Speaker 5: Or the underlying principles are the same. I you know,

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01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 5: pressure wears a new face every season every year, but

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01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:01,720
Speaker 5: the principles for manager and navigating your way through I

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01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:08,560
Speaker 5: believe it timeless. And you know the ways of enabling

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01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:13,000
Speaker 5: athletes to get better at handling pressure has evolved, but

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Speaker 5: the principles of what you've got to do have been timeless.

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Speaker 2: Do you need to be open to the idea or

1291
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:22,800
Speaker 2: can you present to me something that is so obvious

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01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 2: I can't help but implement it.

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Speaker 7: Well.

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Speaker 5: I think once you understand that, you don't get an

1295
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:32,840
Speaker 5: external shift unless you get an internal shift. So if

1296
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 5: I want you to embrace something, then I've got to

1297
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:38,920
Speaker 5: move you internally. So in the early days when we

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Speaker 5: were getting people to look at the mental game in

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Speaker 5: the mental area, people had fixed mindsets. They weren't open

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Speaker 5: to it, and so you needed to be able to

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Speaker 5: shift them, to break the frame, to make them look

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Speaker 5: at things in a different way. Once you do that,

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Speaker 5: then you open the door and they become more receptive

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Speaker 5: to what you present.

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Speaker 2: See, what you've been doing is interesting, So so much

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Speaker 2: time with the All Blacks. Then you've also worked with

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Speaker 2: Lori daily in the Origin, You've gone with McCallum at

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Speaker 2: the cricket and with Chelsea. The EPL does it very widely,

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Speaker 2: depending on sport or level of sport or type of sport.

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Speaker 5: People ask me that question and I quite often say

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Speaker 5: it's completely different but exactly the same. Every time you

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Speaker 5: walk into a group. The dynamics of the group are different,

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Speaker 5: the principles aren't you know. Again, it's connecting with the individuals,

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Speaker 5: getting them to respect and being open to you. But

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Speaker 5: in the end, what we're aiming to do is to

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Speaker 5: give them skill sets that enable them to be reliable

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Speaker 5: under pressure. Because what we hate in sport at any

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Speaker 5: level is unpredictability. And so whether it's cricket, whether it's football,

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Speaker 5: whether it's league, whether it's union, when the heat comes

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Speaker 5: on and you are tested, we need you to be reliable.

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Speaker 5: And if you're not, your reliability and it won't last long.

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Speaker 2: How different is it within a team, within the team environment,

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Speaker 2: where you would have vastly experienced people who have heard you,

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Speaker 2: listen to you, applied their own pieces of information for pressure,

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Speaker 2: versus the guy who's just been selected yesterday.

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Speaker 5: I think it's you know, the crazy thing about this

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Speaker 5: area is that it's not something that you really really

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Speaker 5: get great at. You've got to keep working at it,

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Speaker 5: and the things that didn't provide an issue to you

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Speaker 5: last week, last month, last year sometimes can so a

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Speaker 5: skill set that's constantly evolving, and it's an area that

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Speaker 5: people have got to give attention to and once they

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Speaker 5: do and they move into it, then they can get

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Speaker 5: advancement with it.

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Speaker 2: How long does it take? Because I know, for example,

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Speaker 2: origins are here now it's only on for a very

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Speaker 2: short period of time. I mean your contract for example,

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Speaker 2: at the moment of Chelsea. Do you need time to

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Speaker 2: make it work?

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Speaker 5: Yes? I think you know if you apply it to

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Speaker 5: the same as a skill set, you know, it's an area.

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Speaker 5: It's like your strength and conditioning, it's like the nutrition.

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Speaker 5: It's a performance enhancement area, you know. Like I've learned

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Speaker 5: in my work that you know, people say you've got

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Speaker 5: to rise above pressure, and you will know from the

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Speaker 5: book where we I challenge that paradigm a little bit

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Speaker 5: to say that everyone's saying pressure is a privilege and

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Speaker 5: you've got to walk towards it, and you've got to

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Speaker 5: do that. But I've learned that you've just got to

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Speaker 5: work inside it. You accept it as a lifestyle and

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Speaker 5: you don't try and rise above it. You get inside

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Speaker 5: the bubble and you get comfortable exploring and navigating your

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Speaker 5: way around it. And once you do that, then it's

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Speaker 5: a skill set you've got to develop every day, because

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Speaker 5: your skill sets won't work if your mindset it's not right.

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Speaker 5: And that won't just come about purely because you're a

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Speaker 5: human being and you're in a team or you're in

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Speaker 5: a room with other people, so you know application to

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Speaker 5: enhancing your ability in these areas is an absolute must

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Speaker 5: if you want to actually achieve all you're capable of.

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Speaker 2: Okay, listen, Gilbert, hold on for a couple of moments.

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Speaker 2: Gilbert and Okah, the book has Become Unstoppable. Got to

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Speaker 2: talk about Chelsea in a moment with them twelve past eight.

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Speaker 1: The Mike Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered

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Speaker 1: by News.

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Speaker 5: Talks It be.

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Speaker 2: There'll be fourteen past eight. So the book has called

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Speaker 2: Become Unstoppable. Gilbert Andoka.

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Speaker 8: Chelsea.

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Speaker 2: I'm really interested in Gilbert because in the sense it's

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Speaker 2: most I would have thought cultural thing. Often language must

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Speaker 2: be an issue. You're dealing with guys too, at a

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Speaker 2: level of money finance that's not seen in this country.

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Speaker 2: It's really, I guess a different world. Does it feel different?

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Speaker 2: And therefore does what you do need to be different?

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, Like I've I had a period with them, I'm

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Speaker 5: no longer with them now because it's just you need

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Speaker 5: to be over the living inside the bubble to do

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Speaker 5: the job effectively, and I haven't got the tide to

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Speaker 5: do that. But when I went in there, there were

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Speaker 5: thirteen different languages. During my time there they've been through

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Speaker 5: five different coaches, and so when they go, they just

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Speaker 5: spit everyone else out with them, And so a whole

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Speaker 5: new crew starts and if the players no good, they

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Speaker 5: just spit him out and spend one hundred million buying

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Speaker 5: somebody else. And I said to the owner, Todd Bowley,

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Speaker 5: I said, the first EPL team that adopts an all

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Speaker 5: black esque type culture, we'll get a significant advantage inside

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Speaker 5: the EPL. And from my observation, no one has really

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Speaker 5: taken up the mantra or taken up the challenge of

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Speaker 5: doing that. But it's a world of opportunity for someone

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Speaker 5: to walk through that door and to open it up

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Speaker 5: and to make the most of it.

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Speaker 2: And when you said an all black type mantra, one,

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Speaker 2: did they know what that meant? And two for us,

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Speaker 2: what does it mean?

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Speaker 5: Well, they certainly know what it is. It's the brand

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Speaker 5: that's universal, you know, Like I got up in front

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Speaker 5: of the players and spoke several times to them, and

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Speaker 5: there wasn't a person in the room there that didn't

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Speaker 5: know who the all blacks were. And you know, the

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Speaker 5: all black esque type culture is where they all the

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Speaker 5: Aubacks don't have their name on the back of the jersey.

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Speaker 5: You know, every other sports team does. They don't have

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Speaker 5: their name on the back of the jersey because no

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Speaker 5: one owns it. Their job is to fill it, to

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Speaker 5: fill it with honor and so that it pays respects

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Speaker 5: to those people that have gone before them and sets

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Speaker 5: an example for those that follow. And when you understand

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Speaker 5: that the team towers above the individual, and that while

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Speaker 5: me can serve we we then strengthens me. And you

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Speaker 5: get that circular motion right, and then all of a

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Speaker 5: sudden you're creating something that is greater than the individual parts.

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Speaker 5: And that's the uniqueness and the specialness of the All

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Speaker 5: Blacks culture, and it lingers long after you've finished playing

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Speaker 5: and being involved with the sport.

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Speaker 2: Is there an impediment though, because at least part of

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Speaker 2: the all Black story is about patriotism in a country.

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Speaker 2: Chelsea is not about patriotism. Chelsea's about a club.

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Speaker 5: Yes it is, and I think and that's where you know,

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Speaker 5: driving the personal mote. It is about what's important to you.

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Speaker 5: You know, I've always felt any victory without character has

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Speaker 5: been hollow. And once an individual understands that their own

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Speaker 5: character is defining and what they do inside the team

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Speaker 5: or organization they're working with is an expression of their culture,

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Speaker 5: then it does create its own legacy. So you know,

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Speaker 5: wherever I go, I want to do my best inside

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Speaker 5: that specific area. And the greatest teams mind around something

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Speaker 5: bigger than themselves. But we understand that in today's day

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Speaker 5: and age, me is important. Personal branding and all that

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Speaker 5: is terrific, but you can get so much more if

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Speaker 5: you allow that to serve something bigger than yourself. And

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Speaker 5: then at the same time, that thing that's bigger than

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Speaker 5: you will actually make you even better. So you know,

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Speaker 5: there's merit for those that I tell you a lot

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Speaker 5: got it. You know, if guys like Reece James and

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Speaker 5: people like that inside that bubble that they get it.

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Speaker 5: It's just that if everything's fluid, like the loaners are

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Speaker 5: changing and the coaches are changing, it's damn hard to

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Speaker 5: get the stability you need to give yourself a foundation.

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Speaker 2: What I would, and this is not a personal session

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Speaker 2: for me, what I reckon I would under have real

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Speaker 2: trouble with is the outside stuff I can't control. Like

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Speaker 2: I don't mind being part of a team that's good,

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Speaker 2: but I look around and go that guy's a dickhead,

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Speaker 2: and they keep changing the coach and the owners are

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Speaker 2: more on And that's what I would struggle with, how

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Speaker 2: do I buy into that the stuff I can't fix?

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Speaker 5: Well, you know that that's a great comment. Like it

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Speaker 5: in all my years of working with all these different sports.

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Speaker 5: It's unwunnable if it's not right at the top. So

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Speaker 5: that's the first thing, you know. It's unwunnable in a family,

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Speaker 5: it's unwulnerable in a classroom, it's unwulnerable in a sports team.

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Speaker 5: And then you know, the whole notion of you know that,

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Speaker 5: of talking about being unstoppable is understand understanding that you

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Speaker 5: work on the things that that you no one else

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Speaker 5: can control. The two things that other people can't take

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Speaker 5: away from you. One is your character and two as

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Speaker 5: your mindset. And so you'll only win when your mind

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Speaker 5: is stronger than your emotions. So for you and for

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Speaker 5: us experiencing sport and life, we can't stop our emotions

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Speaker 5: that happen all the time. So what we have to

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Speaker 5: do is we have to get better at managing our

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Speaker 5: responses to those to the things we can't control. So

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Speaker 5: in a rugby game, when somebody brasses us off or

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Speaker 5: does something illegal. We don't want to punch them in

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Speaker 5: the head because that causes problems. And so for Mike hosting,

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Speaker 5: we've got to understand what are the things that rise

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Speaker 5: raise your emotions and how can we help you to

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Speaker 5: ensure that your mind can get some degree of control

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Speaker 5: over them. That's the challenge, that's the duel. The duel

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Speaker 5: is the battle between your emotions and your mind. And

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Speaker 5: once you win that battle, then you'll win more of

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Speaker 5: those moments than you'll lose them.

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Speaker 2: Can you still could you do it with Rory mcelroyal

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Speaker 2: Jokovic as an individual with no real team per se.

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Speaker 5: Well, absolutely, they can teach us a lot too, by

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Speaker 5: the way, you know they I marvel at some of

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Speaker 5: the things I hear them say they get it. But no,

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Speaker 5: but it's not an end point, you know, like it's

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Speaker 5: you know, some people with can be I can handle

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Speaker 5: pressure really well today, but in the next game in

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Speaker 5: the same situation, I can't. So it's ever evolving. I've

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Speaker 5: had lots of conversations with body over the years, with

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Speaker 5: Rory because he's a great mate of his and saying

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Speaker 5: the one area he needs work on mates this area,

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Speaker 5: and and and I think that he could, he could

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Speaker 5: really be a superstar. And I think he's had conversations.

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Speaker 5: But it's it's applying that it like you do other

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Speaker 5: areas that you work on it as a skill set,

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Speaker 5: not just as a motivational pep talk. And you know,

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Speaker 5: you've got to You've got to lay yourself down. You've

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Speaker 5: got to. You can't train what you won't talk about.

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Speaker 5: So we've got to get these athletes to talk about

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01:11:55,680 --> 01:11:58,599
Speaker 5: the things that cause problems for them, issues for them,

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Speaker 5: struggles for them, to test them, that stretched them. Once

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Speaker 5: we identify those, we can then train.

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Speaker 2: Them and we can and that's we can presumably apply

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Speaker 2: this to the country as a whole, can't we.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely? You know, it's a When I first started in

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Speaker 5: this area, and you would have noticed, you know, from

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Speaker 5: the book, it was it was sort of a poohooed subject.

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Speaker 5: I always called myself the ugly duckling, and everyone accepted

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Speaker 5: all the other disciplines, but not this one. This one

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01:12:29,400 --> 01:12:32,120
Speaker 5: was considered if you worked in this area, you're week.

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Speaker 5: And I still think that does pervade a lot of

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Speaker 5: the landscape, might you know. I think it's a lot

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Speaker 5: of people think that if you need work and you

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Speaker 5: need to strengthen your mental gain that there is a

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Speaker 5: weakness in you. But Grichie, I'd love to see it

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Speaker 5: toward as a curriculum, you know, like somebody has. Actually,

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Speaker 5: you know, I always told people I got on the

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Speaker 5: all black bus fifteen minutes before they went to training

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Speaker 5: or a game. I went to meetings fifteen minutes before

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Speaker 5: they came to a meeting, and all I did is

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Speaker 5: looked at them. So when they came in, I wanted

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Speaker 5: to know where are you at today? Because I can't

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Speaker 5: move anyone unless I get that right. And that changes

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Speaker 5: every day, changes when we walk home at night into classrooms.

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Speaker 5: So I think it is applicable right across the board.

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Speaker 2: Fantastic, Well, good luck with the book. Great to talk

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Speaker 2: with you, and I appreciate your time very much.

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Speaker 5: Thanks Mike, enjoy your show and enjoy your perspectives, and

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Speaker 5: thanks for the conversation.

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Speaker 2: is available to you. Mike Big call but probably the

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Speaker 2: best guest on the show this year. Massive difference to

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01:14:42,200 --> 01:14:48,559
Speaker 2: your second time caller just after seven, Very very good,

1550
01:14:49,240 --> 01:14:51,439
Speaker 2: Rod Little the Americans in the UK at it, the

1551
01:14:51,479 --> 01:14:54,200
Speaker 2: Americans suggesting it's not as free a country as you

1552
01:14:54,280 --> 01:14:57,200
Speaker 2: might believe. So it's Trump v Starmam are with Rod

1553
01:14:57,280 --> 01:14:58,720
Speaker 2: after the news, which is next?

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Speaker 2: Be by Mike loved the interview. Wow, this man talk sense.

1559
01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:14,360
Speaker 2: Damn he's good. So we got some feely good reaction

1560
01:15:14,520 --> 01:15:16,559
Speaker 2: to Gilbert and Oka. Mike, move on from the COVID

1561
01:15:16,600 --> 01:15:18,839
Speaker 2: inquiry you're talking about talk about the state of today's

1562
01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:21,880
Speaker 2: cost of living. You sound like a cry baby this morning. See,

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01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:25,680
Speaker 2: this is what worries me about this. Why if you

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01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:27,400
Speaker 2: want me to talk about the cost of living, one

1565
01:15:27,439 --> 01:15:29,400
Speaker 2: of the first things I'd raise would be is why

1566
01:15:29,479 --> 01:15:31,760
Speaker 2: are we having the cost of living crisis that we are?

1567
01:15:32,439 --> 01:15:35,400
Speaker 2: And the answer is the COVID period, isn't it. So

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01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:38,880
Speaker 2: if you can't join those two dots together, there's no

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01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:40,519
Speaker 2: hope for any of us. Mike, doesn't the state of

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01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:43,280
Speaker 2: play now lie with Illingworth, who summons the Gang of four?

1571
01:15:45,280 --> 01:15:47,200
Speaker 2: The lines you guys have come up with this morning

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01:15:47,240 --> 01:15:50,600
Speaker 2: have been exceptional. Congratulations Now the Gang of Ford of

1573
01:15:50,600 --> 01:15:53,080
Speaker 2: the public hearings of the Royal Commission, it is Dibby

1574
01:15:53,160 --> 01:15:55,800
Speaker 2: the great unanswered question of the morning. Illingworth isn't talking

1575
01:15:55,880 --> 01:15:58,000
Speaker 2: to a degree. I cut him some slack. He's running

1576
01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:00,599
Speaker 2: an inquiry. You can't pop into the media every five minutes.

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01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:04,560
Speaker 2: I get that. But and brookvin Velden was on with

1578
01:16:04,680 --> 01:16:09,559
Speaker 2: Ryan before six o'clock. She was disappointing in her answer

1579
01:16:10,280 --> 01:16:14,000
Speaker 2: said it's really more on the politicians than Illingworth. Probably

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01:16:14,160 --> 01:16:17,439
Speaker 2: technically she's correct, but she must, in her heart of

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01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:20,400
Speaker 2: hearts be thinking to herself, was this the right bloke

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01:16:21,200 --> 01:16:25,080
Speaker 2: to call if because the pressure is on him, if

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01:16:25,160 --> 01:16:28,680
Speaker 2: they are so spineless they won't front, I'd call their

1584
01:16:28,720 --> 01:16:31,320
Speaker 2: bluff and call them without a shadow of it out

1585
01:16:31,360 --> 01:16:35,559
Speaker 2: because my credibility. Illingworth's credibility is on the line if

1586
01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:38,040
Speaker 2: he presents a report, and obviously the question is going

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01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:39,559
Speaker 2: to be asked, well did you ask him this? Did

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01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:42,400
Speaker 2: you ask them that? And when we read what was done,

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01:16:43,160 --> 01:16:45,519
Speaker 2: we then go, well, hold on, what about that bit there?

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01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:48,840
Speaker 2: Or where is the bit I wanted to hear about

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01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:51,559
Speaker 2: that isn't in this report? Because then it's all benefit

1592
01:16:51,560 --> 01:16:53,680
Speaker 2: of hindsight stuff, and then it becomes a problem, doesn't it.

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Speaker 2: Twenty two to.

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Speaker 1: Nine International Correspondence quid ends an eye insurance peace of

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Speaker 1: mind for New Zealand.

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Speaker 16: Britt mcgar A lot, a little, A very good morning

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Speaker 16: to you, Good morning to you, mate.

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Speaker 2: Do excuse me for being rightfully superficial as always, but

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01:17:06,840 --> 01:17:09,200
Speaker 2: I do need a weather update. Are you sweltering? Is

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Speaker 2: it above thirty? Is the end of the world meteorologically

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Speaker 2: upon you?

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Speaker 7: It is?

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Speaker 16: It is even up here in the north. I didn't

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Speaker 16: go out today. I stayed inside and watched Cashion in

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Speaker 16: the attic. It was too hot to do anything. But

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01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:29,599
Speaker 16: it won't last. It will last another couple of days

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Speaker 16: and then.

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Speaker 2: We'll have the rape exactly Well, at least it's been

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01:17:32,280 --> 01:17:35,920
Speaker 2: nice for Lemmy and his best friend, his best fishing mate,

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01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:37,840
Speaker 2: which I know they didn't have licenses for, which is

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Speaker 2: sort of ironic. But I know that Jeremy Clarkson's waited

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Speaker 2: in as well, and there seems to be a little

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01:17:42,600 --> 01:17:47,040
Speaker 2: bit of upset about JD and his entourage.

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Speaker 16: Yes, it does, I think, but I think that was

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01:17:50,439 --> 01:17:53,880
Speaker 16: always going to happen because he is not liked by

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01:17:53,960 --> 01:17:57,200
Speaker 16: a certain section of the population and by a certain section,

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01:17:57,320 --> 01:18:00,240
Speaker 16: particularly of the chapter in class. The truth is, and

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01:18:00,360 --> 01:18:02,720
Speaker 16: I think a great deal of credit has to go

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Speaker 16: to David Lammy for this, for how he's dealt with JD.

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01:18:05,479 --> 01:18:08,719
Speaker 16: Vans and brought him on side and struck a common bond.

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Speaker 16: That it shows a certain knack of diplomacy which I

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01:18:12,840 --> 01:18:16,479
Speaker 16: haven't thought was there. Vance himself is clearly, you know,

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Speaker 16: an angler phile. The licenses stuff gives the manner break.

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Speaker 16: I don't suppose Lammy's ever been fishing in his life.

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Speaker 16: I think it comes from an estate in Tottenham.

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Speaker 10: You know.

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Speaker 16: I don't know what they have fished for there, but

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01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:37,400
Speaker 16: you know, there's an awful lot of coughing anything which

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01:18:37,479 --> 01:18:41,679
Speaker 16: surrounds Donald Trump or indeed JD. Vans, And this country

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01:18:42,200 --> 01:18:45,040
Speaker 16: always comes under the snoping of the.

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Speaker 2: Left, the speaking of Trump, wasn't it? Was it Trump

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Speaker 2: or was it the State Department? Or was it both

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01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:52,320
Speaker 2: of them? And there's business of you being a free

1634
01:18:52,400 --> 01:18:55,160
Speaker 2: country and the protest and the noise going on, and

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01:18:55,560 --> 01:18:59,080
Speaker 2: I thought you got on, well does this cause a problem.

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Speaker 16: It's a shot across the bowels. It's certainly something both

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01:19:04,120 --> 01:19:07,200
Speaker 16: Vance and Trump have set before and now it's in

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01:19:07,240 --> 01:19:12,799
Speaker 16: an official State Department investigation into human rights in various

1639
01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:18,200
Speaker 16: countries of the world were particularly ours, and what the

1640
01:19:18,360 --> 01:19:22,200
Speaker 16: State Department concluded was that over the last year, human

1641
01:19:22,320 --> 01:19:25,800
Speaker 16: rights has significantly worsened in this country as as a

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01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:31,120
Speaker 16: consequence of limitations on freedom of speech. And they cited

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01:19:31,280 --> 01:19:35,519
Speaker 16: various examples, particularly incidentally, as you would imagine from the

1644
01:19:35,600 --> 01:19:40,759
Speaker 16: State Department, anti abortion demonstrations being stopped from even saying anything.

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Speaker 16: It has a certain resonance, and it has a certain

1646
01:19:45,560 --> 01:19:51,320
Speaker 16: resonance with people like Kerrie Badenoch, with Nigel Farage, and

1647
01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:55,080
Speaker 16: it does cause a problem for the government, which is

1648
01:19:55,120 --> 01:19:58,880
Speaker 16: already under fire, that being a two tier government which

1649
01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:02,120
Speaker 16: penalizes the right for saying things. But let's the left.

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01:20:02,080 --> 01:20:06,320
Speaker 2: Goree exactly, So does does starmer way in or does

1651
01:20:06,360 --> 01:20:09,000
Speaker 2: he just walk that tight rope and let that stuff fly,

1652
01:20:09,160 --> 01:20:12,679
Speaker 2: given he's got seemingly a reasonable relationship with Washington.

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01:20:12,840 --> 01:20:15,000
Speaker 16: Yeah, well, he said rather petulantly when he was in

1654
01:20:15,080 --> 01:20:18,719
Speaker 16: a meeting with Trump and Vance, while they've had human

1655
01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:20,920
Speaker 16: rights here for a very long time, which was at

1656
01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:24,000
Speaker 16: least nicely sort of barbed given that the United States

1657
01:20:24,320 --> 01:20:27,400
Speaker 16: hasn't been in existence for a very long time. But

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01:20:28,360 --> 01:20:32,439
Speaker 16: I think he would be ill advised to say anything

1659
01:20:32,520 --> 01:20:36,280
Speaker 16: at all about it, because it will only inflame the situation.

1660
01:20:37,200 --> 01:20:38,880
Speaker 16: What he ought to do is just as sure that

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01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:40,920
Speaker 16: everyone has a right to say what they think.

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01:20:41,080 --> 01:20:45,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. So I'm reading yesterday that Reeves's latest plan

1663
01:20:45,920 --> 01:20:47,960
Speaker 2: for the massive gap that we've been talking about and

1664
01:20:48,040 --> 01:20:50,439
Speaker 2: the ability to spend money versus the money you're bringing in.

1665
01:20:50,640 --> 01:20:53,479
Speaker 2: Is this inheritance text? If you're going to go for texts,

1666
01:20:54,200 --> 01:20:57,200
Speaker 2: is inheritance the better of the options or not?

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01:20:57,720 --> 01:21:00,600
Speaker 16: I think they think it's the better of the options

1668
01:21:00,720 --> 01:21:05,360
Speaker 16: for not infuriating people, But it's already beginning to infuriate people,

1669
01:21:05,880 --> 01:21:09,439
Speaker 16: largely people who object to being taxed twice three times

1670
01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:12,519
Speaker 16: on one particular bit of income, you know, which is

1671
01:21:12,600 --> 01:21:17,400
Speaker 16: what we're seeing with inheritance tax. There are are there

1672
01:21:17,439 --> 01:21:20,000
Speaker 16: are complex moral arguments about inheritance tax.

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01:21:20,120 --> 01:21:20,240
Speaker 10: You know.

1674
01:21:20,280 --> 01:21:22,160
Speaker 16: I don't know what side of the line you're on, Mike,

1675
01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:25,760
Speaker 16: but I find it difficult to call should should kids

1676
01:21:25,800 --> 01:21:27,840
Speaker 16: be given a huge start in life? Or should they

1677
01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:29,599
Speaker 16: have to work for themselves? Et cetera.

1678
01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:34,400
Speaker 2: But when she comes to do it, which inevitably she

1679
01:21:34,600 --> 01:21:37,240
Speaker 2: is going to and she breaks a promise, does she?

1680
01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:39,720
Speaker 2: How do you explain that I'm not going to?

1681
01:21:39,840 --> 01:21:43,880
Speaker 16: But what sest did circumstances changed, Mike, is what she

1682
01:21:43,960 --> 01:21:46,479
Speaker 16: will say. And it was forced upon us by the

1683
01:21:46,920 --> 01:21:51,479
Speaker 16: by the refusal of her party to back the welfare

1684
01:21:51,560 --> 01:21:57,160
Speaker 16: benefits bill and so on, so so she will try

1685
01:21:57,240 --> 01:22:00,400
Speaker 16: to wriggle through it by saying things have changed. I

1686
01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:04,840
Speaker 16: planned to saveless money through welfare reform, but I wasn't

1687
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Speaker 16: allowed to.

1688
01:22:05,520 --> 01:22:07,280
Speaker 2: You're very good, Blake mate. Well, you have a good

1689
01:22:07,280 --> 01:22:09,360
Speaker 2: weekend and we'll catch up next week. Rod Little in

1690
01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:11,759
Speaker 2: Britain for us this morning, it's already seventeen to two.

1691
01:22:13,080 --> 01:22:17,479
Speaker 1: The Like Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio, Howard

1692
01:22:17,560 --> 01:22:20,720
Speaker 1: By News talks at be the Mike.

1693
01:22:20,760 --> 01:22:24,439
Speaker 2: The four COVID teers won't front the Royal Commission to

1694
01:22:24,479 --> 01:22:28,160
Speaker 2: answer orally after having had lawyers not then personally supply

1695
01:22:28,240 --> 01:22:30,719
Speaker 2: written secret of answers, because each of them not lawyers,

1696
01:22:30,760 --> 01:22:32,560
Speaker 2: would have to be making up the answers. That's the

1697
01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:35,360
Speaker 2: real reason for their no show. Mike. COVID needs to

1698
01:22:35,400 --> 01:22:37,840
Speaker 2: be laid to rest. There are far more important issues

1699
01:22:37,880 --> 01:22:41,080
Speaker 2: to think about. New Zealand needs to move on from

1700
01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:46,960
Speaker 2: this extremely boring matter, so the risk will be calculated

1701
01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:50,560
Speaker 2: on the labor department or a labor Party's behalf is

1702
01:22:50,680 --> 01:22:54,200
Speaker 2: that there are people like you who feel the same way,

1703
01:22:54,600 --> 01:22:56,599
Speaker 2: so that no matter what has happened to this country,

1704
01:22:56,640 --> 01:22:58,639
Speaker 2: who was in charge of but what decisions were made,

1705
01:22:59,320 --> 01:23:01,880
Speaker 2: no matter how historical are important it was. There comes

1706
01:23:01,880 --> 01:23:04,200
Speaker 2: a certain point in time and you've obviously reached it

1707
01:23:04,760 --> 01:23:08,080
Speaker 2: where no matter what it was, it's over. So no

1708
01:23:08,200 --> 01:23:10,559
Speaker 2: matter how much your life was tipped upside down, how

1709
01:23:10,640 --> 01:23:12,840
Speaker 2: much your will changed, at some point we just go,

1710
01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:15,960
Speaker 2: oh it's boring now we'll move on. So that'll be there,

1711
01:23:16,200 --> 01:23:18,479
Speaker 2: you know, And you're entitled to ubu more than entitled togibu.

1712
01:23:18,840 --> 01:23:21,760
Speaker 2: I have found I think it's CNN. It's limited to

1713
01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:25,880
Speaker 2: C and N, so what's luxe? And yesterday a court

1714
01:23:26,320 --> 01:23:30,479
Speaker 2: suggested that netnya who had lost the plot, so that

1715
01:23:31,120 --> 01:23:32,840
Speaker 2: scene has run it. That's about it. I found it

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01:23:32,920 --> 01:23:35,360
Speaker 2: nowhere else internationally, so it wasn't you know, I don't

1717
01:23:35,360 --> 01:23:37,320
Speaker 2: know was it going to be a big deal? Not

1718
01:23:37,400 --> 01:23:41,120
Speaker 2: really anyway. Sharon Haskell, who's the Deputy Foreign Minister of Israel,

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01:23:41,240 --> 01:23:44,639
Speaker 2: has responded to a degree via social media. I guess

1720
01:23:44,720 --> 01:23:47,120
Speaker 2: when you don't really need an army because your most

1721
01:23:47,120 --> 01:23:50,080
Speaker 2: deadly enemies are possum or a cat, you wouldn't comprehend

1722
01:23:50,120 --> 01:23:52,240
Speaker 2: the challenges that come with facing how massage your hard

1723
01:23:52,240 --> 01:23:55,040
Speaker 2: as death cult only a few kilometers away from your country,

1724
01:23:55,080 --> 01:23:59,040
Speaker 2: that rape, execute, burn alive, and starve you people, which

1725
01:23:59,320 --> 01:24:02,240
Speaker 2: is not as bad as what happened to Albanzi yesterday.

1726
01:24:02,439 --> 01:24:05,360
Speaker 2: And yes, this is politics, and yes they're playing it up.

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01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:07,800
Speaker 2: I fully understand that, but nevertheless, this is what you

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01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:12,479
Speaker 2: get when you start talking about recognizing Palestine as a state,

1729
01:24:13,200 --> 01:24:15,479
Speaker 2: and this will be part of the problem that the

1730
01:24:15,680 --> 01:24:18,679
Speaker 2: New Zealand government is grappling with at the moment. Headline

1731
01:24:18,760 --> 01:24:23,680
Speaker 2: her Maas praises Albanesi's courage, So exactly what you need

1732
01:24:24,400 --> 01:24:30,400
Speaker 2: politically is the endorsement, backing and support of hermas Her

1733
01:24:30,479 --> 01:24:34,640
Speaker 2: mass has applauded the Albanesi government. It says it's vindicated,

1734
01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:39,160
Speaker 2: it's shock October seven attacks on Israel and commitment to

1735
01:24:39,360 --> 01:24:42,680
Speaker 2: armed resistance. Now, obviously Albanzi will say that's not what

1736
01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:45,360
Speaker 2: it's about at all, but that's not going to stop

1737
01:24:45,360 --> 01:24:48,800
Speaker 2: a group like Kimas say ah At last I see

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01:24:49,000 --> 01:24:53,560
Speaker 2: Albanesi of Australia has vindicated our October seven attacks and

1739
01:24:53,720 --> 01:24:56,120
Speaker 2: our commitment to armed resistance, And that's the line they're

1740
01:24:56,120 --> 01:24:58,840
Speaker 2: going to be peddling, and that's what you're buying into

1741
01:25:00,040 --> 01:25:03,120
Speaker 2: they reject Albanezeu's claimed that Hamas would be totally opposed

1742
01:25:03,200 --> 01:25:04,960
Speaker 2: to the move, as he tried to explain the day

1743
01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:08,759
Speaker 2: before to recognize Palestinian as part of a global effort

1744
01:25:08,800 --> 01:25:11,960
Speaker 2: to progress a two state solution. One of the organization's

1745
01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:15,640
Speaker 2: top official praised the government for showing political courage and

1746
01:25:15,920 --> 01:25:20,360
Speaker 2: urged other nations to follow suit. So can you see

1747
01:25:20,479 --> 01:25:25,919
Speaker 2: through that or are you tarred by the Hamas endorsement.

1748
01:25:26,479 --> 01:25:27,679
Speaker 2: Ten away from nine.

1749
01:25:28,240 --> 01:25:31,760
Speaker 17: The Mike Hosking Breakfast with rainthrow Bern used Tom's dead

1750
01:25:31,840 --> 01:25:33,920
Speaker 17: b speaking of Mars, I was going to ask Hipkins

1751
01:25:33,960 --> 01:25:36,599
Speaker 17: about his comments about the Veto alleged Veto that actors

1752
01:25:36,680 --> 01:25:40,320
Speaker 17: holding the government to ransomovera no pun intended, whether or not,

1753
01:25:40,439 --> 01:25:43,480
Speaker 17: because all that act said was they want to demilitarize

1754
01:25:43,520 --> 01:25:44,720
Speaker 17: ha Mass and I wouldn't.

1755
01:25:44,360 --> 01:25:46,800
Speaker 2: Have thought that's the worst thing in the world, whereas

1756
01:25:46,840 --> 01:25:49,000
Speaker 2: Hipkins would appear to be in his comments suggesting it's

1757
01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:52,440
Speaker 2: a veto that he is happy with hamas and militarization

1758
01:25:53,320 --> 01:25:56,400
Speaker 2: along with people like Elbow, But I didn't have time

1759
01:25:56,439 --> 01:25:58,240
Speaker 2: for that because we had other matters to deal with.

1760
01:25:58,560 --> 01:26:00,559
Speaker 2: By the way, the other thing Andrew raised much earlier

1761
01:26:00,600 --> 01:26:02,080
Speaker 2: on the program, if you missed it, was just talking

1762
01:26:02,080 --> 01:26:05,320
Speaker 2: about the Commonwealth Bank of Australia their result yesterday. The

1763
01:26:05,439 --> 01:26:07,799
Speaker 2: associated bank in this country is of course the ASB,

1764
01:26:08,160 --> 01:26:11,040
Speaker 2: and they didn't do as well as the CBA, which

1765
01:26:11,080 --> 01:26:12,760
Speaker 2: is a reflection of the economy. A couple of things

1766
01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:15,800
Speaker 2: I thought were really interesting. They're hiring seven hundred and

1767
01:26:15,840 --> 01:26:18,559
Speaker 2: sixty eight more people. That's a lot of people, seven

1768
01:26:18,720 --> 01:26:21,280
Speaker 2: hundred and sixty eight more people. So they're doing all

1769
01:26:21,320 --> 01:26:24,400
Speaker 2: sorts of things around tech and helping your process your

1770
01:26:24,400 --> 01:26:26,719
Speaker 2: mortgage application and stuff like that. But their mortgage lending

1771
01:26:26,760 --> 01:26:28,800
Speaker 2: increased by seven percent. Now I don't know whether that's

1772
01:26:28,840 --> 01:26:31,680
Speaker 2: just a general increase and everyone's borrowing more money, or

1773
01:26:31,720 --> 01:26:34,000
Speaker 2: whether they've stolen some market share, but that's a good sign.

1774
01:26:34,200 --> 01:26:36,600
Speaker 2: A business from rural ending up two percent. Maybe that

1775
01:26:36,760 --> 01:26:38,600
Speaker 2: big on rural I would have thought rural ending might

1776
01:26:38,640 --> 01:26:40,120
Speaker 2: be a little bit higher. Maybe the money coming to

1777
01:26:40,160 --> 01:26:41,720
Speaker 2: the farms are so great these days you don't need

1778
01:26:41,760 --> 01:26:45,080
Speaker 2: to borrow anymore. Maybe they're paying it back. Interest bearing

1779
01:26:45,120 --> 01:26:48,320
Speaker 2: customer deposits also rose by three percent, so that sort

1780
01:26:48,360 --> 01:26:50,280
Speaker 2: of goes against the general tie that we've got no money.

1781
01:26:51,280 --> 01:26:52,760
Speaker 2: But the margin, this is the one way, is like

1782
01:26:52,880 --> 01:26:55,760
Speaker 2: the net interest margin, the profit is what we're talking about.

1783
01:26:55,760 --> 01:26:58,240
Speaker 2: That's up four basis points to two point two seven.

1784
01:26:59,400 --> 01:27:01,760
Speaker 2: And once again again we have a look at the

1785
01:27:02,240 --> 01:27:04,720
Speaker 2: comparison to CBA. What's their net margin, Well, it's two

1786
01:27:04,760 --> 01:27:08,000
Speaker 2: point zero eight. So the margin, the profit margin in

1787
01:27:08,120 --> 01:27:11,880
Speaker 2: the New Zealand Bank is greater than the Australian Bank,

1788
01:27:11,920 --> 01:27:15,840
Speaker 2: which would lead Nicola to say, see told you, But

1789
01:27:15,960 --> 01:27:18,960
Speaker 2: it would also lead the bank to say, well hold

1790
01:27:19,000 --> 01:27:21,320
Speaker 2: on because of Adrian and there's weird rules around all

1791
01:27:21,360 --> 01:27:23,080
Speaker 2: the money we've got to keep aside just in case

1792
01:27:23,880 --> 01:27:27,639
Speaker 2: that's the problem, and that argument will continue, I think

1793
01:27:27,720 --> 01:27:30,840
Speaker 2: for the next three hundred and twelve years. Five minutes

1794
01:27:30,840 --> 01:27:31,360
Speaker 2: away from.

1795
01:27:31,320 --> 01:27:37,000
Speaker 1: Nine trending now with chemist ware house, great savings every day.

1796
01:27:37,200 --> 01:27:40,879
Speaker 2: What's more interesting than Taylor who's on Travis and Jason's

1797
01:27:41,080 --> 01:27:44,320
Speaker 2: podcast in a couple of hours presenting a new album.

1798
01:27:44,320 --> 01:27:46,080
Speaker 2: If you haven't seen the teaser, she pulls out a

1799
01:27:46,160 --> 01:27:48,680
Speaker 2: briefcase and she pulls it out and they've pixelated out

1800
01:27:48,720 --> 01:27:50,920
Speaker 2: the album. So apparently today you're going to see the

1801
01:27:50,960 --> 01:27:53,280
Speaker 2: album and you can all lose you you know what

1802
01:27:54,320 --> 01:27:56,640
Speaker 2: they But just in case you haven't caught up on this,

1803
01:27:56,920 --> 01:27:58,439
Speaker 2: there's even more teaser clips.

1804
01:27:58,800 --> 01:27:59,719
Speaker 5: I guess today.

1805
01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:04,599
Speaker 18: He's a singer, songwriter, and producer and director from Nashville, Tennessee.

1806
01:28:04,760 --> 01:28:06,759
Speaker 8: That's she is from reading President.

1807
01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:10,479
Speaker 18: She is the most awarded artist in the history of

1808
01:28:10,560 --> 01:28:14,240
Speaker 18: the American Music Awards, Billboard Music Awards and iHeart Radio

1809
01:28:14,400 --> 01:28:14,960
Speaker 18: Music Awards.

1810
01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:17,840
Speaker 5: God damn Jim fourteen Grammy Awards.

1811
01:28:17,880 --> 01:28:20,200
Speaker 8: That is the only artists in the history short.

1812
01:28:20,000 --> 01:28:22,200
Speaker 5: Hans of the Year four times.

1813
01:28:22,560 --> 01:28:26,160
Speaker 18: Last December, she wrapped up the Aristour, which span one

1814
01:28:26,240 --> 01:28:29,280
Speaker 18: hundred and forty nine shows across fifty one cities.

1815
01:28:31,120 --> 01:28:31,880
Speaker 1: Why are you ready?

1816
01:28:32,040 --> 01:28:37,360
Speaker 18: Violent past the most the history of shows?

1817
01:28:37,880 --> 01:28:44,400
Speaker 1: Taylor intro Jason, Oh.

1818
01:28:44,400 --> 01:28:47,400
Speaker 2: My god, she can also take the mickey out of us.

1819
01:28:47,400 --> 01:28:49,600
Speaker 19: So as we all know, you know, you guys have

1820
01:28:49,680 --> 01:28:52,560
Speaker 19: a lot of male sports fans that listen to your podcast,

1821
01:28:53,439 --> 01:28:56,519
Speaker 19: and I think we all know that if there's one

1822
01:28:56,600 --> 01:28:59,200
Speaker 19: thing that male sports fans want to see in their space,

1823
01:28:59,280 --> 01:29:01,800
Speaker 19: isn't on their screen, it's more of me.

1824
01:29:05,200 --> 01:29:08,160
Speaker 2: Okay, that's eleven o'clock our time. It's on the Spotify,

1825
01:29:08,280 --> 01:29:11,799
Speaker 2: it's on the Apple, or on the YouTube, pretty much everywhere.

1826
01:29:12,160 --> 01:29:14,880
Speaker 2: More important or more interesting than that, her album is

1827
01:29:14,920 --> 01:29:16,800
Speaker 2: called The Life of a Showgirl, which I reckon is

1828
01:29:16,840 --> 01:29:19,479
Speaker 2: a brilliant title. Most albums these days have a sort

1829
01:29:19,479 --> 01:29:21,679
Speaker 2: of a lack of imagination about life of a showgirl.

1830
01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:24,920
Speaker 2: She's very good at the titles, anyway. More important than

1831
01:29:24,960 --> 01:29:27,760
Speaker 2: that is Travis Kelcey, who's on the cover of GQ.

1832
01:29:28,320 --> 01:29:30,080
Speaker 2: Not only in the cover of GQ, is in most

1833
01:29:30,120 --> 01:29:33,840
Speaker 2: of GQ. A twelve hour photo shoot, and it reminds

1834
01:29:33,920 --> 01:29:35,720
Speaker 2: me that I'm a big fan of Vanity Fair, and

1835
01:29:35,840 --> 01:29:39,479
Speaker 2: Vanity Fair used to do just the most unbelievable photo shoots.

1836
01:29:39,479 --> 01:29:42,439
Speaker 2: Any Lebewitz and those sort of people just did incredible

1837
01:29:42,479 --> 01:29:45,120
Speaker 2: photo shoots. Photos you look at and go, oh my god,

1838
01:29:45,640 --> 01:29:49,559
Speaker 2: how did they do that? Well, GQ and Travis kelce

1839
01:29:49,880 --> 01:29:54,480
Speaker 2: in swamps with snakes and alligators and jet skis. It's incredible.

1840
01:29:55,479 --> 01:29:57,200
Speaker 2: Why did it? I got no idea because it took

1841
01:29:57,240 --> 01:30:01,520
Speaker 2: twelve hours a day, but it's well worth looking ups

1842
01:30:01,600 --> 01:30:04,840
Speaker 2: and ded are we tomorrow from six o'clock, as always,

1843
01:30:05,160 --> 01:30:05,840
Speaker 2: Happy Days.

1844
01:30:06,960 --> 01:30:09,840
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1845
01:30:09,960 --> 01:30:13,000
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