Speaker 1: You're listening to the Resident Builder podcast with Peter Wolfcamp
Speaker 1: from News Talk SEDB.
Speaker 2: So anyway, we're going to have a look at that
Speaker 2: a little bit later on in the program. Happy to
Speaker 2: take your calls on it now, but I thought we'd
Speaker 2: reach out to an expert in Hamish Firth who is
Speaker 2: a planner of some experience and note is going to
Speaker 2: join me on the program at around eight point fifteen
Speaker 2: this morning, and we're just going to run through a
Speaker 2: couple of options about what does that actually look like,
Speaker 2: is it likely to actually be introduced into legislation, and
Speaker 2: what are some of the pitfalls? And I've read a
Speaker 2: lot of articles and comment from building and building science
Speaker 2: related speakers and opinion makers around is this actually a
Speaker 2: wise idea? Are people actually going to embrace it? Would
Speaker 2: you give up I guess the security of having a
Speaker 2: building consent for the work that you do for maybe
Speaker 2: the savings of not having one, and people perhaps looking
Speaker 2: at it as gosh, is it up to standard? And
Speaker 2: how do I know that it's up to standard if
Speaker 2: no one's checking it? Well, there are checks and balances.
Speaker 2: So anyway, we're going to have a bit of a
Speaker 2: look at that a little later on in the program.
Speaker 2: But it has been an interesting thing to discuss sort
Speaker 2: within building circles. But more than happy to take your
Speaker 2: calls on that as well, your thoughts around this proposed legislation.
Speaker 2: Could we build up to sixty square meters without necessarily
Speaker 2: requiring a building consent? There are then, after this a
Speaker 2: whole bunch of ifs, butts, and maybe as well, just
Speaker 2: as there are for the expansion and scope of work
Speaker 2: that you could do under Schedule one of the Building Act.
Speaker 2: That's the current legislation in place, and if you were
Speaker 2: a call back. In twenty nineteen, the government made some
Speaker 2: changes to that legislation that allowed buildings, for example, up
Speaker 2: to thirty square meters that were essentially not habitable in
Speaker 2: the sense that they didn't have toilet, showers, plumbing fittings
Speaker 2: in them, they could be built without necessarily requiring a
Speaker 2: building consent. But then once you got past the you
Speaker 2: can build it but and you started to go through
Speaker 2: all the butts, you realized that there was actually not
Speaker 2: that many opportunities for you to build that if you
Speaker 2: were actually going to stay compliant with all of the
Speaker 2: rest of the regulations that relate to building, it does
Speaker 2: get a little bit technical. It is kind of you know,
Speaker 2: I mean, it's are they are they actually chasing the
Speaker 2: right target here? Would it make a difference to you
Speaker 2: to be able to build sixty square meters without necessarily
Speaker 2: requiring a building consent? Give us a call. Oh, eight
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call
Speaker 2: if you've got building questions, whether you're underway with a project.
Speaker 2: Maybe you've discovered something as a place that I look after,
Speaker 2: and we were there during the course of the week
Speaker 2: and suddenly it's like, oh, have you noticed that the
Speaker 2: floorboard here is starting to I don't know what's really
Speaker 2: going on. I just noticed that that. I just put
Speaker 2: it down on my list as fixed floorboard. I haven't
Speaker 2: even had the investigation yet as to why that floorboard
Speaker 2: is suddenly squeaky. Maybe it was put in incorrectly and
Speaker 2: doesn't have any support underneath it. Maybe it's a piece
Speaker 2: of timber that got wet and has started to decay.
Speaker 2: But it's on my list to fix. Actually I think
Speaker 2: it's on tomorrow's list to fix. So if you've got
Speaker 2: a list and you've got things to fix, and who doesn't,
Speaker 2: then eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Speaker 2: You can text as well, that's nine two nine two
Speaker 2: or ZBZB from your mobile phone if you'd like to
Speaker 2: send me an email, You're more than welcome. It's Pete
Speaker 2: at Newstalk ZB dot co dot nz. So welcome along
Speaker 2: to the show. Looking forward to you call your conversations.
Speaker 2: Got a couple of experts who are going to be
Speaker 2: part of the show a little bit later on. And then,
Speaker 2: of course, as always, we're into the garden with redclined
Speaker 2: passed from around eight point thirty this morning, but right
Speaker 2: now on a kind of wet and slightly miserable old
Speaker 2: morning here in Auckland, it's eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
Speaker 2: Is that number to call? Eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
Speaker 2: Plenty of lines right now. We're going to run out
Speaker 2: later on, so now's your chance call us now. Oh
Speaker 2: eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Oh criaky, sorry, I'm looking
Speaker 2: at the text. I'm thinking, oh great, there's a text. Right,
Speaker 2: we can rip into the topics of the morning. What
Speaker 2: are we going to be you know, construction inspection failures?
Speaker 2: What do we need to do? Oh goodie, there's one
Speaker 2: about building consents.
Speaker 3: Up.
Speaker 2: Crikey, Pete, the new song is terrible. Can't even understand
Speaker 2: what she's singing. I like it. I like it anyway.
Speaker 2: Enough on the song right re an upstairs deck? Do
Speaker 2: I need consent to extend a current deck? And the
Speaker 2: cost for that consent? Please from Chris? Yeah, I think
Speaker 2: that you do need a consent. And the main thing
Speaker 2: that triggers that is the height of the work that
Speaker 2: you're proposed to do. So, if it's an upstairs deck,
Speaker 2: that will be obviously above one point five meters from
Speaker 2: the ground level, and anything above that height would need
Speaker 2: a building consent. And think about the logic of it.
Speaker 2: The building consent there is ultimately there to protect safety,
Speaker 2: right or to keep people safe. So if you fell
Speaker 2: from something more than one and a half meters high,
Speaker 2: it's going to hurt. If you fell from let's say
Speaker 2: three meters high, it's very much going to hurt, in
Speaker 2: which case that would trigger the requirement for a building consent.
Speaker 2: The cost for that consent, I really don't know. It
Speaker 2: depends a great deal on where you are in the country.
Speaker 2: I was absolutely shocked the other like, genuinely shocked. The
Speaker 2: other day. I was having a discussion with someone who
Speaker 2: it might have been down at Field Days. So we
Speaker 2: were talking with someone. Oh, that's right. He was a
Speaker 2: builder who'd been working in lives in Toron in the
Speaker 2: Bay of Plenty and had been working there for a while.
Speaker 2: Wasn't on the tools anymore. We were chatting about a
Speaker 2: whole lot of stuff, talking about, you know, the massive
Speaker 2: amount of development that's happening, and Tylrong are talking about
Speaker 2: the controversy about the high rise buildings that they're proposing
Speaker 2: for sort of the CBD inside Tyrong, And then we
Speaker 2: got talking about building consents and he said, look, we
Speaker 2: did a house about five years ago and the building
Speaker 2: consent fees were about twenty two thousand dollars, which is,
Speaker 2: you know, it's still a fair chunk of cash, but
Speaker 2: it's not unreasonable for the time and if it takes
Speaker 2: to give out a building consent, So we'll give counsel that.
Speaker 2: He said, Now, similar house building consent fees charged by
Speaker 2: Tyrong a city council sixty six thousand dollars for a
Speaker 2: building consent. I mean, hard to justify. I'd love to
Speaker 2: see the breakdown of that. Sixty six thousand dollars for
Speaker 2: a building consent to build. That's our house. That's going
Speaker 2: to cost about eight hundred thousand dollars to build, So
Speaker 2: you know that's high end or higher end, but six
Speaker 2: thousand dollars for a building consent in Tronga for that one.
Speaker 2: And this is you know, from a reliable source. This
Speaker 2: isn't sort of secondhand knowledge and speculation and that sort
Speaker 2: of thing. That strikes me as an extraordinary high amount
Speaker 2: to charge for a building consent. So maybe the government's
Speaker 2: focus on, hey, we'll let you build up to sixty
Speaker 2: square meters without a building consent. Maybe their focus should
Speaker 2: be how do we get counsels to be more efficient
Speaker 2: so that building consents don't cost as much. Maybe that
Speaker 2: should be the focus. You can consult. So if you
Speaker 2: go online, if you go to MBI, dot gov dot
Speaker 2: NZ have your say granny flats, you'll find it there.
Speaker 2: You can put in a submission. Oh, eight hundred eighty
Speaker 2: ten eighty is the number to call. Sorry, the text
Speaker 2: about the song is getting better and better. One last
Speaker 2: text before we take another short break. Love your calls.
Speaker 2: Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Pete.
Speaker 2: I have a steep bank surrounding my property which drops
Speaker 2: onto the road with a footpath. My border is that
Speaker 2: top of the bank, let's say about twelve meters at
Speaker 2: its tallest. The council mows the bank, but it may
Speaker 2: need stabilizing at some stage, which would cost thousands. Is
Speaker 2: the council responsible for this remedial work or am I
Speaker 2: I would have thought, thank you for your texts as well.
Speaker 2: I would have thought that if the bank is public
Speaker 2: property is council land, the bank is their responsibility, and
Speaker 2: that if your border, your boundary of your property is
Speaker 2: at the top of it, and that's impacted by the
Speaker 2: land below falling away, the responsibility to keep that stable,
Speaker 2: to provide stability to your property would lie with counsel
Speaker 2: saying that, and it relates back a little bit to
Speaker 2: a call we had two weeks ago from a gentleman
Speaker 2: who's retaining wall was starting to collapse because it was
Speaker 2: being undermined by movement on the adjacent property and the
Speaker 2: adjacent proper he was owned by the council. That's he's
Speaker 2: now in a battle with council about that. So I
Speaker 2: don't underestimate how difficult it might actually be. Now interesting,
Speaker 2: I made the comment about Tarrong a city council and
Speaker 2: the cost for the building consent being about sixty six
Speaker 2: thousand dollars, does the granny flat rule apply in Oh,
Speaker 2: hang on No, this is another one. That's another text
Speaker 2: that's coming in here we go Pete tarrong. A council
Speaker 2: collect their development contributions differently. The developer doesn't pay them
Speaker 2: on the land. They're collected in the build It's an
Speaker 2: odd way of dealing with them. That's why the council's
Speaker 2: building consent costs are so high. So if you're a
Speaker 2: little unfamiliar with this, there is often if you're doing
Speaker 2: a development, let's say you've got and I'm familiar with
Speaker 2: this a little bit norkland. Let's say where you might
Speaker 2: have a section that's eight hundred square meters and you're
Speaker 2: able to build two houses on that. These days you
Speaker 2: probably build six on there. But let's say can do too,
Speaker 2: So you subdivide a portion of that. You end up
Speaker 2: with a four hundred square meter tight section on its
Speaker 2: own title and council is part of that process of
Speaker 2: creating this new piece of land. Effectively, we'll charge you
Speaker 2: a reserve contribution fee, and that's a fee that goes
Speaker 2: towards theoretically money for public development, so looking at public
Speaker 2: spaces like reserves, etc.
Speaker 4: Etc.
Speaker 2: And it's over and above the building consent fee, so
Speaker 2: it's on the land. So what this texture is suggesting
Speaker 2: is that rather than having a building consent fee, maybe
Speaker 2: a resource consent fee and a reserve contribution fee. In Tolronger,
Speaker 2: they lump it all in together. If someone's got a
Speaker 2: thought on that, you're more than welcome to join us. Oh,
Speaker 2: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call,
Speaker 2: and we'll get to that a little bit. The other
Speaker 2: text around the granny flat rule does it apply to
Speaker 2: rural areas as well as residential zone? If so, I
Speaker 2: plan to use it as soon as I can. We'll
Speaker 2: get into that text in just a moment. Oh wait,
Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty ten eighty people of camp with
Speaker 2: you this morning the resident Builder on Sunday. That's the show,
Speaker 2: and this morning we're talking to Craig. Good morning to you,
Speaker 2: Craig the morning.
Speaker 5: Hey Craig, just on the line, am I.
Speaker 2: You are no macking around this morning? Buddy, no prize, steady.
Speaker 5: On, I've got an antia minor to finish building a
Speaker 5: home and I'm a local buildings in the area and
Speaker 5: she didn't she didn't want need to builders yeap, but
Speaker 5: she seven problems the buildings. So you've got a group
Speaker 5: home to do the home and they are contractor m
Speaker 5: hm and so once the now after code of compliance
Speaker 5: and won not through his home. They need record of
Speaker 5: works from them, yep. They need all the paperworking on
Speaker 5: what it is. And yeah, the group home company doesn't
Speaker 5: want anything to do with it. I suggested to her
Speaker 5: to go to the UH the l b P complaints
Speaker 5: to do that and Council Owe to suggested to pay
Speaker 5: some money in and get an extension until it's resolved.
Speaker 5: But the builder there was no animosity with the builder.
Speaker 5: The buildings complete, there's nothing wrong with it. Yeah, absolutely fine,
Speaker 5: but they just won't do the paperwork. What what what
Speaker 5: can she do?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Okay, So, just to be absolutely clear, your auntie
Speaker 2: had signed a contract with a group home builder to
Speaker 2: build the house. And it's not unusual. In fact, it's
Speaker 2: more typical that group home builders will typically use contractors
Speaker 2: to do the work, right, they don't often employ their
Speaker 2: own builders.
Speaker 5: So this is names on the contract.
Speaker 2: Right, Okay, So his name's on the contract and he
Speaker 2: is a licensed building practitioner yep, and he is now
Speaker 2: refusing to issue a record of works for his work.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, ultimately, I think you know, your auntie shouldn't
Speaker 2: be chasing him as the LBP. She should just be
Speaker 2: chasing the group home builder and the group home builder
Speaker 2: who has signed a contract with your auntie, they are
Speaker 2: responsible in terms of the contract to deliver the house
Speaker 2: with a CCC I presume or was that not part
Speaker 2: of the contract.
Speaker 5: No, it wasn't. So they went through a group home
Speaker 5: and they got the contractor but his names are on
Speaker 5: the contract, are not theirs?
Speaker 2: Right? So why would you go to a group home builder?
Speaker 2: Then what's the advantage?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I would still be highly critical of the group home
Speaker 2: builder for sort of leaving her in the lurch like that,
Speaker 2: and i'd push pretty hard on the group homebuilder. But
Speaker 2: I would also remind the LBP that they must issue one.
Speaker 2: It's law, right, they don't, they don't get a choice.
Speaker 2: They must do it, and they must do it as
Speaker 2: soon as the work is completed.
Speaker 5: Yes, this is exactly what I was under it this minute.
Speaker 6: One.
Speaker 5: You've said over the years with your program that sometimes
Speaker 5: a little bit slack. It's like reviewing your license in
Speaker 5: the last minute, and I'm exactly the same. But when
Speaker 5: it comes to this type of thing notes probably every
Speaker 5: week I've had I've got my record of work, diary
Speaker 5: papers and everything there, which I fill out when jobs
Speaker 5: are complete and ye good rush at the end.
Speaker 4: Of the job.
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I think you know obviously the LBP is
Speaker 2: still on the register as in the licenses current. I
Speaker 2: would check that. You can check that in about one
Speaker 2: and a half minutes right now, and then i'd be
Speaker 2: on the phone tomorrow. Or there must be an email
Speaker 2: address or something like that. So does he have a
Speaker 2: record somewhere where he's actually working, like an office or
Speaker 2: a warehouse or something like that.
Speaker 5: I'm not too sure about that, but I have tried.
Speaker 5: I've looked up on there. You know, he's all current complaints.
Speaker 5: I've had a look at it all for I've tried ringing.
Speaker 5: But also she doesn't want me to be the meeting
Speaker 5: the sandwich.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, look, I think that I would probably try
Speaker 2: again tomorrow phoning out of courtesy and emailing, and then
Speaker 2: I would be on the phone to the Licensed Building
Speaker 2: Practitioner Board immediately to say hey, and then I would
Speaker 2: probably go to council and say, look, this is where
Speaker 2: I'm at, right, I just happened to be dealing with
Speaker 2: a rogue LBP who won't supply me with a document.
Speaker 2: While I'm sorting that out, can we please allow for
Speaker 2: an extension of the building consent. Probably doesn't need to
Speaker 2: apply for an extension to the building consent right now,
Speaker 2: does she? When was the final inspection done?
Speaker 5: The final was done about four months ago.
Speaker 7: I suppose.
Speaker 5: Okay, well, been going on for about three years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the fact that the final inspection was done,
Speaker 2: that's your last inspection, right. So you would typically have
Speaker 2: a year to submit your CCC. So I would call
Speaker 2: counsel as a courtesy or and follow it up with
Speaker 2: an email so you got something on record. But go
Speaker 2: to the LBP and then go straight to the disciplinary board.
Speaker 2: And the other thing that I think is really important,
Speaker 2: it's going to be quite a game changer, is the
Speaker 2: disciplinary board now can take complaints about ethics right and
Speaker 2: professional behavior. So I think a lot of lbps have
Speaker 2: forgotten the fact that there is now a code of ethics.
Speaker 2: And part of that is that you have to communicate
Speaker 2: that you have to act responsibly, that you have to
Speaker 2: be prompt right. So, and because his work isn't being
Speaker 2: called into question in terms of the actual physical work
Speaker 2: that he's done. I think I've always felt that probably
Speaker 2: seventy five percent of people's complaints about licensed building practitioners
Speaker 2: are probably about the way that they behaved rather than
Speaker 2: what they actually built. And in this case, it's going
Speaker 2: to open up a lot more grounds for people to
Speaker 2: challenge the behavior and the professionalism and the ethics of lbps.
Speaker 2: And I actually think that's not a bad thing at all.
Speaker 2: So I suspect this guy's going to end up in
Speaker 2: front of the disciplinary committee and they're probably going to
Speaker 2: find that he has breached his terms and conditions I
Speaker 2: suppose of his being an LBP, and he'll get fined.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, No. I read about it in the
Speaker 5: build magazines and Code and when it came up and
Speaker 5: I thought, oh, what a lot of pilarva. But actually,
Speaker 5: when I started reading into it properly, you agree with it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Look, I've done a number of sort of
Speaker 2: presentations on it and had a look through at the
Speaker 2: four main points nineteen sub sections in it. They're pretty good.
Speaker 2: There's a couple of things that could be quite challenging
Speaker 2: in terms of health and safety that I've wondered how
Speaker 2: they would work practically in terms of being an LBP
Speaker 2: and complying with the code of ethics. But look, in
Speaker 2: general it's good. But look to get back to the
Speaker 2: to the focus, I think, you know, I would give
Speaker 2: the person one chance. If he happens to be listening
Speaker 2: to the show and he kind of understands where the
Speaker 2: place is, then I'd suggest be wise and sit down
Speaker 2: and write out that record of works, because you have
Speaker 2: to do it. And there is nothing there is nothing
Speaker 2: that I've seen or read that says, oh, you don't
Speaker 2: have to do it because you didn't feel like it
Speaker 2: or you didn't get paid. And I know I know
Speaker 2: of an LBP who knew that he wasn't going to
Speaker 2: get paid and decided that he wouldn't issue a record
Speaker 2: of works and it went to the disciplinary body and
Speaker 2: he got fine two thousand dollars for doing that, and
Speaker 2: the amount that he was waiting for was two thousand dollars,
Speaker 2: so he ended up I think being four thousand dollars
Speaker 2: in the whole. He didn't get paid and he got fine.
Speaker 2: So you know, word to the wise. Oh hey, nice
Speaker 2: to chat and good on you for looking after your auntie. Thanks,
Speaker 2: take care, Craig. See then take care by by oh eight,
Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Speaker 2: A couple of months ago, part of the conversation i'll
Speaker 2: this program was someone who said, look, I got a
Speaker 2: letter from council that after the final inspection, I had
Speaker 2: sixty days to submit my application for a CCC for
Speaker 2: a Code Compliance Certificate, and I wanted to see evidence
Speaker 2: of that. I haven't actually ever seen evidence of that.
Speaker 2: And I went home and I did a bit of reading,
Speaker 2: and from what I can see, you as as a homeowner,
Speaker 2: after the final inspection, you must submit your CCC within
Speaker 2: twelve months. And what happens then is if you don't
Speaker 2: submit for a CCC within twelve months, the final inspection
Speaker 2: is kind of declared and valid, and in order for
Speaker 2: you to submit a CCC after twelve months, you have
Speaker 2: to get a new final inspection done, which opens up
Speaker 2: a whole other can of worms potentially. So, but I
Speaker 2: haven't found anything in any of the legislation that I've
Speaker 2: reads that I've read that says you have to do
Speaker 2: it within sixty days, and yet this was sort of
Speaker 2: an official document from a council saying you have to
Speaker 2: do it within sixty days. So if you've seen one
Speaker 2: of those, or if you've had that email, if you could,
Speaker 2: I would love it if you forwarded it on to me.
Speaker 2: I'd like to see that. Pete ATNEWSTALKZB dot co dot
Speaker 2: nz is the email address. Oh eight one hundred eighty
Speaker 2: ten eighty is the telephone number you can call us
Speaker 2: right now. Lines are open. We're going to have a
Speaker 2: busy show a little bit later on. We've got a
Speaker 2: couple of experts joining us to talk about compliance in
Speaker 2: terms of H one and the building code and changes
Speaker 2: to thermal efficiency. That's what H one is all about.
Speaker 2: We'll be talking with Nick Cardy Jones from Metro Performance
Speaker 2: Glass around double glazing and its role in that compliance,
Speaker 2: which if you've submitted a building consent after the first
Speaker 2: of November last year, you will need to comply with
Speaker 2: these new regulations around H one. And then we're going
Speaker 2: to get Hamish Firth regular planning expert to join us
Speaker 2: on the program at around eight to fifteen as well
Speaker 2: to talk about this granny flat rule and what it
Speaker 2: might actually mean and what you might actually be able
Speaker 2: to build. So we'll talk about that at around eight fifteen.
Speaker 2: But we're talking to you and the number to call
Speaker 2: is eight hundred and eighty ten eighty pack in a mo.
Speaker 2: We're getting a couple of texts in around the whole
Speaker 2: granny flat thing. I'm happy to take some calls on it.
Speaker 2: So cast your mind back to the beginning of the week,
Speaker 2: and the government made some announcements around the beginning of
Speaker 2: a consultation period. So I'm reading this from the website.
Speaker 2: So this from the MBI website. The government is focused
Speaker 2: on increasing the supply of affordable homes for New Zelanders.
Speaker 2: As part of this, the government is proposing to make
Speaker 2: it easier to build small, self contained and detached houses
Speaker 2: commonly known as granny flats, on property with an existing
Speaker 2: home on it. We are seeking feedback on options to
Speaker 2: enable granny flats of up to sixty square meters in
Speaker 2: size to be built without needing a building or resource consent,
Speaker 2: so long as they meet certain criteria. The criteria granity
Speaker 2: flats must meet under the proposed exemption will form the
Speaker 2: checks and balances required to ensure that they meet building
Speaker 2: performance and quality requirements and appropriately manage environmental impacts. Finding
Speaker 2: the balance between speed, safety and risk to ensure that
Speaker 2: New Zealanders have safe, healthy and durable homes built as
Speaker 2: quickly as possible is important. This is why we want
Speaker 2: to understand all the perspectives on potential costs, benefits and
Speaker 2: risks for the criteria we are proposing that granny flats
Speaker 2: and small homes will need to meet. So that's what
Speaker 2: the consultation is, and it's going to be pretty quick.
Speaker 2: I think like within the next you've got a little
Speaker 2: bit of time to submit your discussion or your thoughts
Speaker 2: on that. Then it goes on to talk about the
Speaker 2: Building Act. So one of the things here a text
Speaker 2: that came through was, hey, I heard this week that
Speaker 2: allowing these granny flats will help fix the rental crisis.
Speaker 2: Does that mean that these granny flats can have separate power,
Speaker 2: water meter connections and a mail box and rubbish collection,
Speaker 2: even a proper oven. If so, then yes, many investors
Speaker 2: were treated as a game changer to help provide another
Speaker 2: rental property on the one title. Thanks from Tim, I
Speaker 2: suspect that most of the things that you're talking about
Speaker 2: there would not actually apply to these types of dwellings,
Speaker 2: as in would it have separate power, Probably not, as
Speaker 2: in its own meter. Probably not. Separate water meter. Well,
Speaker 2: you'd have to go to council and or council owned
Speaker 2: businesses like Watercare in Auckland and apply for one. In
Speaker 2: A new water meter in Auckland costs about seventeen thousand
Speaker 2: dollars I think at the moment, and a mailbox will
Speaker 2: know because it won't have its own title and its
Speaker 2: own rubbish collect That's a very good point. Could you
Speaker 2: ask for an additional bin, Yeah, you probably could, but
Speaker 2: I would imagine you've got to pay for that as well.
Speaker 2: And a proper oven. Yes. It seems that these are
Speaker 2: designed to be completely self contained. So, for example, the
Speaker 2: change in legislation from ten square meters to thirty square
Speaker 2: meters for a sleepout, one of the ifs and butts
Speaker 2: in that legislation is that whoever was in that unit
Speaker 2: had to have access to the house because you weren't
Speaker 2: legally allowed to include a toilet or a shower i e.
Speaker 2: Sanitary fittings into those up to thirty square meter buildings.
Speaker 2: So the person who was inhabiting that space you could
Speaker 2: sleep in it. You could be in it during the day,
Speaker 2: but you had to have access to the main house,
Speaker 2: whereas this would be something that would be self contained
Speaker 2: in the sense that you could cook and wash in
Speaker 2: that building. Would it have its own water meter, No,
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I think you'd be running a
Speaker 2: line from the existing feed out to that dwelling, so
Speaker 2: all of the rates would still be paid, or the
Speaker 2: water fee would still be paid by the occupants of
Speaker 2: the main house. It does get complicated, and this is
Speaker 2: where the consultation will be really interesting to watch because
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot more fishooks in this than
Speaker 2: it would seem when you look at it at first glance.
Speaker 2: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to
Speaker 2: call someone just text through as well, and I'd love
Speaker 2: more detail on this. To be fair, Craig, morning Peak
Speaker 2: Council can't not issue CCC if a record of works
Speaker 2: is not supplied, and that runs counter to everything that
Speaker 2: I understand about CCC. To be fair, Craig, if you're
Speaker 2: missing documentation, if you don't have let's say a record
Speaker 2: of works from the LBP who did the structure of
Speaker 2: the building, then I would have thought Counsel in no
Speaker 2: way would issue a CCC. They just say, I need
Speaker 2: we need the record of works for that work in
Speaker 2: order for us to issue a CCC. And it's your
Speaker 2: problem if you can't get that from the LBP that
Speaker 2: did the work. So if you've got more detail on that,
Speaker 2: I'd love to hear from you. Oh, eight hundred eighty
Speaker 2: ten eighty is the number. And I'm not here to
Speaker 2: slang off at Toyrong a city council, by the way,
Speaker 2: and I understand that perhaps the way that they gather
Speaker 2: their revenue around reserve contribution fee and so on might
Speaker 2: be different to other councils, and that's why it might
Speaker 2: be the figures are higher. But I love this text
Speaker 2: as well. A building permit and Toyrong the City Council
Speaker 2: was forty seven thousand dollars a while back across the
Speaker 2: city boundary to the Western Bay District Council and the
Speaker 2: cost was seven thousand dollars. We'll take your calls on that.
Speaker 2: Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call
Speaker 2: if you've got a project that's underweight and you're needing
Speaker 2: a little bit of help, for a bit of advice
Speaker 2: or wondering about particular products to buy. Then it's eight
Speaker 2: hundred eighty ten eighty will come back after the break
Speaker 2: US TALKSB. It is six forty six here at News
Speaker 2: Talks D probably six forty six all around the country
Speaker 2: as it happens. Can I also, just before I talk
Speaker 2: to Pete, praise we're praise as due in my street
Speaker 2: and some adjoining streets. We had to notice a couple
Speaker 2: of weeks ago saying that Victor are going to be
Speaker 2: doing some work on the overhead power lines and the
Speaker 2: poles that support those, and that there was going to
Speaker 2: be some disruption to power supply. Ie your powers going
Speaker 2: off at eight thirty in the morning, it's likely to
Speaker 2: be off until six o'clock at night. It's going to
Speaker 2: happen on a Saturday, which was kind of a little
Speaker 2: bit odd really, but anyway, it was going to be
Speaker 2: a Saturday. It happened to be yesterday. So bang on
Speaker 2: eight thirty house was plunged into darkness. I've just got
Speaker 2: out of the shower and the trucks turned up. They
Speaker 2: all down our street, around the corner, around the other street.
Speaker 2: Multiple crewis climbing up or being elevated up into the
Speaker 2: power poles down the street, taking off the old timber
Speaker 2: crossbars and replacing those, and replacing the isolators and tidying
Speaker 2: up all the overhead lines and so on. A lot
Speaker 2: of people, I mean, like multiple trucks, multiple crews, obviously,
Speaker 2: lots and lots of traffic control, which meant the street
Speaker 2: was down to one lane, etc. We went out for
Speaker 2: most of the day, came back to find a couple
Speaker 2: of guys just testing or the meterboard at the front
Speaker 2: of the house and the powers back on. That was
Speaker 2: five o'clock in the afternoon when we got home. But
Speaker 2: I actually thought looking at them working, it was poetry
Speaker 2: in motion. It was beautiful to watch. And yes, there's disruption,
Speaker 2: and that's a bit of a pain in the backside
Speaker 2: and all the rest of it, but it's work that
Speaker 2: needs to be done in order for the system to
Speaker 2: operate and to be more resilient and reliable. And I
Speaker 2: thought they did an excellent job. So again, I know
Speaker 2: it's disruptive and it's a bit of a pain, but
Speaker 2: I thought that in this instant infected an outstanding job
Speaker 2: with their coordination for that little project in Devenport yesterday,
Speaker 2: Pete good A Hello, Petey, Oh, why is this not
Speaker 2: there's something wrong with my fingers. I've decided hang on,
Speaker 2: hang on, hang on out. Let's get this sorted out. Pete,
Speaker 2: go for it.
Speaker 5: You got me?
Speaker 2: Now I do I do? Your finger doesn't work a
Speaker 2: lot of screen.
Speaker 8: Now.
Speaker 9: Look, I'm down in the west western Bay of Plenty
Speaker 9: where it's bucketing down at the moment. But just over
Speaker 9: twenty years ago I got a new house built and
Speaker 9: I incorporated a grannie flat into that house. And now
Speaker 9: a couple of things at that start that we were
Speaker 9: limited to fifty square meters, yes, but my grannie flat
Speaker 9: that I had to fireproof into tenancy walls and it
Speaker 9: has its own power. It we share the rubbish. It
Speaker 9: doesn't include the water, and it's we put a letter
Speaker 9: box out and it works. I don't know the legality
Speaker 9: that gave it a letter. And now the interesting thing
Speaker 9: with the water is that the council at the time,
Speaker 9: well I used to get it in the rates for
Speaker 9: the water and they called it a pan tax to
Speaker 9: do with the toilet. And interesting thing is that we
Speaker 9: never had meters over twenty years ago, but when they
Speaker 9: brought in water meters because because you see the council claimed, oh,
Speaker 9: you'll be using more water to flush the toilets, you see. Anyway,
Speaker 9: when they brought in the water meters, it was then
Speaker 9: challenged and the council had to back down because they
Speaker 9: had they agreed that now they would be able to
Speaker 9: see if there was more water used. So we actually
Speaker 9: got a refund on that, and I think that doesn't
Speaker 9: happen now. But I note that the new granny flats
Speaker 9: can go up to sixty square meters, which I actually
Speaker 9: fifty square meters seem to work fine, but sixty is
Speaker 9: a little bit better. But it's all legal, it's all consented,
Speaker 9: co compliance certificate and everything, and it's been quite an
Speaker 9: asset for me.
Speaker 2: Look, I think that you've got some tremendous foresight to
Speaker 2: have done that while you were building. And interesting, I
Speaker 2: heard an ad the other day for like a large
Speaker 2: group home builder talking about one of their new style
Speaker 2: of houses which actually included effectively two houses in one
Speaker 2: plus a granny flat, so you know, right from the
Speaker 2: get go they're going, actually, what we're going to do
Speaker 2: is this, you know, maybe a three story development with
Speaker 2: two attached townhouses and then an other develop all part
Speaker 2: of it. So you ended up with you could buy
Speaker 2: effectively two houses in a granny flat. Now, whether that's
Speaker 2: extended family, which is awesome, because there's this thing now
Speaker 2: with sometimes with apartments, where you can buy an apartment
Speaker 2: which is actually two apartments. It has one front door
Speaker 2: and then you go into a lobby and then there's
Speaker 2: two doors, and you can either have the whole thing together,
Speaker 2: or you could buy it and then have one as
Speaker 2: a potential rental income or as housing for maybe you know,
Speaker 2: older family members, independent children, that sort of thing. So
Speaker 2: I think what I like about all of these discussions
Speaker 2: around what we build sort of is about recognizing that
Speaker 2: houses are not one dimensional, there's not always just one purpose.
Speaker 2: In terms of our focus has very much been on
Speaker 2: we're going to build a house for a family, and
Speaker 2: as if a family mum, dad, and a couple of
Speaker 2: kids is the only way we live. But the reality
Speaker 2: t is we don't live like that, and the number
Speaker 2: of groups that are actually that traditional sort of model
Speaker 2: is diminishing arguably, And so I think this kind of
Speaker 2: widening the scope of what we're building and for whom
Speaker 2: we might be building. So it might be you might
Speaker 2: have a family group, but they might have older parents.
Speaker 2: They might be a family group with an independent teenager
Speaker 2: or a person in their twenties who wants to stay
Speaker 2: at home, or they might like you thinking ahead, thinking well, actually,
Speaker 2: if I build something I put in a granny flat
Speaker 2: and I get it compliant from the day one, then
Speaker 2: I've got an income stream. Fantastic. It's awesome, it's awesome.
Speaker 2: You're obviously well ahead of your time, Peter, Ah.
Speaker 9: Well, the other I mean, I can say of twenty years,
Speaker 9: I've hardly gone without a tenant, someone in there. And
Speaker 9: maybe in my retire I've always had long term tenants
Speaker 9: and if I'm away coming and going to the property.
Speaker 9: And the other thing it does open it off up too,
Speaker 9: is that when I retire from my job, I could
Speaker 9: actually have short term tenants as in like Airbnb type
Speaker 9: stuff and a little bit extra work and probably a
Speaker 9: little bit better return. But no, it's it's worked. But
Speaker 9: I mean, I think the new thing here is, and
Speaker 9: I haven't looked into this is around the consenting. Mine
Speaker 9: was just included in my prisful building consent. But it
Speaker 9: seems to me that people with maybe I think some
Speaker 9: properties would lend themselves very well to doing something like this,
Speaker 9: and some could create some complications. If you think you
Speaker 9: put something out in your backyard and then someone's got
Speaker 9: to walk all the way down the side of the
Speaker 9: house to get to it, that could seem quite problematic.
Speaker 9: But anyway, that's it's it's worked for me, and they
Speaker 9: have sort of been around in one form or another.
Speaker 9: I don't know about other councils. So I'm in the
Speaker 9: western plenty here and that was the way it was
Speaker 9: twenty years ago here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, really appreciate the insight, and I think and the
Speaker 2: other thing that I want to sort of emphasize from
Speaker 2: our conversation is the fact that you got it consented
Speaker 2: from the get go. And the number of conversations I've
Speaker 2: had on this show where people will go, hey, look
Speaker 2: i've got a downstairs area and it's already got a shower,
Speaker 2: I want to pop in a kitchen and then I
Speaker 2: can let it out, and I'm going, yeah, but then
Speaker 2: that's non consented, right, And the things that you the
Speaker 2: hoops that you had to jump through, and to be fair,
Speaker 2: the safety that you've built into what you've built in
Speaker 2: terms of the fire protection and the isolation is really
Speaker 2: really important. And that's why I think it's right that
Speaker 2: we still have to comply with the building code in
Speaker 2: terms of separation if you're going to end up creating
Speaker 2: a truly independent sublet within your existing property, and I
Speaker 2: wholeheartedly agree it shouldn't be something that you can just
Speaker 2: go ahead and do without getting a building consent for it,
Speaker 2: essentially to ensure that everybody is safe, particularly in the
Speaker 2: event of a fire. So good on you. I think
Speaker 2: it's awesome, really appreciate you call Pete. We're going to
Speaker 2: talk to Robert after News, Sport and Weather, which is
Speaker 2: coming up top of the hour at seven o'clock. There's
Speaker 2: a couple of good ones too about building consent fees
Speaker 2: and reserve contributions. Will come back to those after the
Speaker 2: break as well. In a quick one forty year old
Speaker 2: house insult fluff insulation in the attic. Can we use
Speaker 2: some form of barrier stapled down to contain the insulation?
Speaker 2: I guess you could, but you'd have to be a
Speaker 2: little bit careful around creating condensation. Back after the break
Speaker 2: news top of the r at seven.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the program. Pete wolf Camp, the Resident Builder,
Speaker 2: with you this morning here at News Talk ZB the
Speaker 2: Resident Builder on Sunday, taking your calls on all things building, construction, materials,
Speaker 2: maintenance projects, compliance, legislation. Talking about legislation. In the next hour,
Speaker 2: we're going to have a bit of a chat to
Speaker 2: Hamish Firth, who is a planner, a senior planner, very
Speaker 2: experienced planner from Mount Hobson Group. And when I saw
Speaker 2: this announcement at the beginning of the week from the
Speaker 2: government saying, hey, the government has focused on increasing the
Speaker 2: supply of affordable homes. We're looking at options around enabling
Speaker 2: granny flats of up to sixty square meters to be
Speaker 2: built without necessarily requiring a building or resource consents as
Speaker 2: long as they meet certain criteria. Being quite a lot
Speaker 2: of discussion in the media about it, quite a lot
Speaker 2: of discussion online, some of it good, some of it
Speaker 2: not so good. To be fair, Hamish very experience, So
Speaker 2: we're going to have a bit of a chat about
Speaker 2: that at around eight point fifteen this morning, we're going
Speaker 2: to be talking h one compliance at the end of
Speaker 2: this hour with Nikarti Jones. So busy old morning, eight
Speaker 2: hundred eighty ten eighty. Though, for your calls right now,
Speaker 2: if you've got a question about a project that you
Speaker 2: are underway with, you can call us eight hundred eighty
Speaker 2: ten eighty Hello Robert, Yeah.
Speaker 11: Good morning, Pet. I'm a regular listener, but I don't
Speaker 11: contribute to I don't ask any questions, but this morning
Speaker 11: I wish to ask one. Last Sunday you introduced the
Speaker 11: subject of maintenance. Yes, and for my memory, you said
Speaker 11: that maintenance was two things too small, things was ongoing
Speaker 11: and something else, And I can't remember the something else.
Speaker 11: Do you recall what.
Speaker 2: I would probably have said, That it's ongoing and that
Speaker 2: it can be planned, you know, because we know that
Speaker 2: most elements of a building have a life cycle, right,
Speaker 2: so some things will be able to survive for a
Speaker 2: certain amount of time, other things for less. So but certainly,
Speaker 2: you know, like in terms of painting, the one thing
Speaker 2: that I would always say about exterior painting is that
Speaker 2: it will last considerably longer if it's regularly washed.
Speaker 12: Right.
Speaker 2: So again, you could say, well, look, if I paint
Speaker 2: the house, I can expect it to last seven to
Speaker 2: ten years in reasonable condition. Now, I think that if
Speaker 2: and that would be true if you just left it alone.
Speaker 2: I think that if you regularly washed a house and
Speaker 2: washed it correctly, you might get ten to twelve to
Speaker 2: fifteen years out of the paint coating, in which case
Speaker 2: there's a massive advantage to regular and planned maintenance.
Speaker 11: Yeah. I've got a tenant who is a bit reluctant
Speaker 11: to do any maintenance. And boundary fence yep. And I
Speaker 11: agree with your summary that should be ongoing and planned
Speaker 11: and regular. I just wondered how I can persuade my
Speaker 11: my my neighbor.
Speaker 2: Right, yes, Yeah, that's a whole other thing, though, isn't it,
Speaker 2: Because now we're talking about human nature and and sometimes
Speaker 2: it's people's either awareness or their ability, or whether they've
Speaker 2: got deep pockets and short arms. You know, there's all
Speaker 2: of those elements that come into it as well. And
Speaker 2: thank you for adding, Yeah, thank you for adding to
Speaker 2: my list, because I've forgotten about the fence that I
Speaker 2: have to replace posts on. So I was looking at
Speaker 2: a place the other day that I look after, and
Speaker 2: the fence is more and more on a lean and
Speaker 2: I kind of gave the fence post a bit of
Speaker 2: a wobble, and I can't figure out whether it was
Speaker 2: it never had concrete around it, in which case it
Speaker 2: started to move, or whether it does have concrete around
Speaker 2: it and the post is actually rotten at the base.
Speaker 2: And either way, I'm going to have to disassemble a
Speaker 2: section of the fence, dig out the old fence posts
Speaker 2: concrete and some new ones, put the fence panels back in,
Speaker 2: because I don't want to have the cost of replacing
Speaker 2: the entire fence. So again, you know, is that maintenance,
Speaker 2: Like if I could I have done anything to maintain
Speaker 2: that fence to stop it falling over into disrepair. Probably not,
Speaker 2: it's just the nature of that fence in the way
Speaker 2: that it was constructed in the first place. But saying
Speaker 2: that I spent I spent a happy Saturday. I spent
Speaker 2: a happy Friday water blasting patios and treating the ground.
Speaker 2: Now that will then eliminate the moss, which will mean
Speaker 2: that it's safer, I e. You won't slip on the pathway.
Speaker 2: And also yeah, that that's part of maintenance as well.
Speaker 2: It's also part of safety.
Speaker 11: Oh that's that's fine. Thank you for that.
Speaker 2: Nice to talk with you.
Speaker 11: I'll enjoy the rest of your progress.
Speaker 2: All the best. Take care, Robert, see that, yes I did. Actually,
Speaker 2: I've kind of forgotten about Friday's endeavors. And water blasting
Speaker 2: is a I'm always conflicted with water blasting because what
Speaker 2: I often see is people who water blast, particularly timber,
Speaker 2: and ruin the timber too much pressure, too close, rips
Speaker 2: through the fibers. Yes, it might clean off the mold
Speaker 2: and mildew and whatever sitting on the top of it,
Speaker 2: but chances are you're actually going to damage the fibers
Speaker 2: of the timber by water blasting timber too close without
Speaker 2: a chemical pre wash. You know, powerwashing is good. Water
Speaker 2: blasting in that instance is bad. But at the same time,
Speaker 2: after a couple of hours literally of water blasting edge
Speaker 2: of the house, in the concrete base, and all of
Speaker 2: the patio which had been overgrown which we dealt with
Speaker 2: earlier in the week by doing a massive prune in
Speaker 2: this garden, it's also enormously satisfying. The other thing that
Speaker 2: was enormously satisfying about the water blasting that I did
Speaker 2: on Friday, apart from testing out a new pair of
Speaker 2: gum boots, which were amazing, is that it's on a
Speaker 2: property where we had installed a rainwater tank, so rainwater
Speaker 2: harvesting now, given all the weather at the moment and
Speaker 2: there's not a lot happening in the garden, there was
Speaker 2: plenty of water in the tank, and so I would
Speaker 2: have worked for about I would say two hours, possibly
Speaker 2: even a little bit more with the water blaster going constantly.
Speaker 2: And I had it simply connected to the water tank,
Speaker 2: which was one of the Bailey slim Line tanks, one
Speaker 2: of their Sustainability series tanks that I put in, So
Speaker 2: two thousand letter tank hooked up to the downpip. It's
Speaker 2: got an overflow, it's got an outlet at the bottom
Speaker 2: with a hose tap on it, and that Bailey water
Speaker 2: tank I would have like, I would have water blasted
Speaker 2: for two hours just using water out of the tank.
Speaker 2: I don't think I even got anywhere near emptying the tank.
Speaker 2: But it is literally hundreds of liters of water that
Speaker 2: I wasn't drawing from the mains. Therefore, in that instance,
Speaker 2: nobody's paying for it. Free water out of that Bailey
Speaker 2: water tank.
Speaker 12: It was.
Speaker 2: That was very satisfying in its own way. Speaking of
Speaker 2: people with deep pockets and short arms, Oh, eight hundred
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty is the number to call. We've got
Speaker 2: some spear lines available in for you right now, lots
Speaker 2: of text about the Granny Flats. Happy to take your
Speaker 2: calls on it as well. And if you are really
Speaker 2: engaged with this process, you're interested in it, the government
Speaker 2: actually wants to hear from you, so they're inviting submissions.
Speaker 2: You can have a look online and then make your submission.
Speaker 2: You might I think it's a great idea. You might
Speaker 2: think that it is a disastrous idea that will lead
Speaker 2: to shabby, poorly built housing popping up in the worst
Speaker 2: possible places, and it's just going to create chantytowns. And
Speaker 2: to be fair, either of those options is probably quite possible. Oh,
Speaker 2: eight hundred eighty ten eighty call us now. It is
Speaker 2: fifteen minutes after seven. Another question we're going to add
Speaker 2: to the list of things that we'll talk about with
Speaker 2: Hamish Firth from Mount Hobson Group. After eight o'clock is around.
Speaker 2: Who can then occupy the granny flat? So Texas has
Speaker 2: come through. Granny Flat can only be occupied by close family.
Speaker 2: If you want to rent it out, you need to
Speaker 2: get it consented as a minor unit. So different rules
Speaker 2: that will be really interesting to talk about. Marty, talk
Speaker 2: to me about Granni flats.
Speaker 4: He look, I think.
Speaker 2: We may try and get you back on a better line.
Speaker 2: Mary just stayed with us and Sarah in the meantime.
Speaker 2: Good morning to you.
Speaker 13: Good morning Peters.
Speaker 2: I'm very well, thank you.
Speaker 13: I have a question regarding drainage. So I have a
Speaker 13: rental property that was affected by six cyclone Gabrielle, Yes,
Speaker 13: and wanting to know whether there's any rules about what's
Speaker 13: adequate drainage.
Speaker 2: Oh, very good question. Yeah, because I mean what we
Speaker 2: saw if you were in the Auckland area, and I'll
Speaker 2: stick with what I know about Auckland with the floods
Speaker 2: in January and then again in February, is that over
Speaker 2: a twenty four hour period in Auckland, especially in January,
Speaker 2: we had somewhere approaching two hundred and forty millimeters of
Speaker 2: rain right over that period. And by and large a
Speaker 2: one and one hundred year flood event might include rainfall
Speaker 2: of up to about eighty millimeters, right, so we're three
Speaker 2: times more than what we would expect to have once
Speaker 2: every hundred years. So in that sense, you know, if
Speaker 2: your drainage overflowed or your downpipes overflowed or the spouting
Speaker 2: overflowed during that rain event. That's not surprising, right. What
Speaker 2: will be challenging is will we see standards or performance
Speaker 2: expectations for drainage increase because of these events which might happen.
Speaker 2: But currently the legislation, you know, there's rules already in
Speaker 2: the Building Act and in the Building or in the
Speaker 2: Building Code rather around let's say, how many square meters
Speaker 2: of roof per downpipe, what the size of the downpipe is,
Speaker 2: what the size of the pipe in the ground has
Speaker 2: to be, all of these sorts of things. So if
Speaker 2: what you've got at the moment complies with that, then
Speaker 2: that would be considered adequate. Whether it's going to be
Speaker 2: adequate in the future is a question for others.
Speaker 13: And who determines whether it's adequate or not.
Speaker 2: Okay, So even in terms of like because there is
Speaker 2: a requirement under the Healthy Homes Standard right as part
Speaker 2: of the residential tendency, which says that you have to
Speaker 2: have adequate drainage, and that's probably what you're focusing on.
Speaker 2: So I think there if you were to, if let's say,
Speaker 2: somebody challenges it and says the drainage on this property
Speaker 2: is inadequate, and I'm going to go to the tenancy
Speaker 2: tribunal and tell on you. You would probably need to
Speaker 2: find a drain layer or a building survey who could
Speaker 2: have a look and say, in fact, what we've got
Speaker 2: is one two five spouting, we've got this number of downpipes,
Speaker 2: we've got this catchment area. It's directed into council or
Speaker 2: it's directed into private storm water which connects to public
Speaker 2: storm water. All of these things are compliant with current legislation.
Speaker 2: The fact it was overwhelmed is because it was an
Speaker 2: extreme event rather than and every day. Now, if you
Speaker 2: get ten millimeters of rain at your property and there's
Speaker 2: flooding and somebody actually finds that, well, actually it might
Speaker 2: go into the ground, but it goes into a soakage
Speaker 2: pit that was done forty years ago and now has
Speaker 2: no containment at all, then it's probably fair to say
Speaker 2: it's inadequate and not fit for purpose, in which case
Speaker 2: you'd need to do some upgrades.
Speaker 13: Okay, So what about if the property is so slightly
Speaker 13: below the street level?
Speaker 6: Is that.
Speaker 2: Again there's very little that you as a landlord could
Speaker 2: do about that if it's being inundated, because it's in
Speaker 2: a floodplain and this might be quite interesting to do.
Speaker 2: Councils have just or Auckland Councils specifically, has just issued
Speaker 2: a new has just created a new website called flood Viewer.
Speaker 2: And if you've ever gone onto a council website, there's
Speaker 2: a thing called a gis right, you can look at
Speaker 2: all sorts of information about where drainage is, where overland
Speaker 2: flow paths are, where natural hazards are, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 2: But flood Viewer is newly developed and it has information
Speaker 2: that's obviously been gathered via lider from the recent flood
Speaker 2: events and so it's updated and it's very very specific.
Speaker 2: And I know this because I've looked at a number
Speaker 2: of properties that I'm engaged with to see where the
Speaker 2: new flooding zones are likely to be. So go online,
Speaker 2: go on to flood Viewer and then type in the
Speaker 2: address and you might find that suddenly you are actually
Speaker 2: in a flood zone.
Speaker 13: Right, Okay, which is interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, have a look at that. But in terms of
Speaker 2: compliance with the Healthy Homes Act, you know, if there
Speaker 2: are like if there's poor drainage, then you would need
Speaker 2: to get it done, but deciding what poor drainage is.
Speaker 2: You might get a drain layer, you might get a
Speaker 2: building surveyor to have a look at it.
Speaker 14: That's what I'm.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, what's considered adequate. That's good point. Good luck
Speaker 2: with that. Alrighty, all of this is Hereah, you take care,
Speaker 2: thank you, and Shirley are very good morning to you.
Speaker 15: Oh, good morning. Just a quick question about you know,
Speaker 15: you're talking about housewashing, the best best thing to use
Speaker 15: for housewashing. We've used some of these products you can buy.
Speaker 3: I don't know if I can.
Speaker 15: Say the brand or not, like thirty Seconds house Clean
Speaker 15: and it's sort of got like a bleach and I
Speaker 15: think is a good thing to you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's a bunch of proprietary ones. Like
Speaker 2: to be fair, I would typically like when I've done
Speaker 2: some house washing, let's say, in for paint preparation, because
Speaker 2: I buy my paints from Razine, I tend to go
Speaker 2: and buy a house washed product that they've got in
Speaker 2: the stores as well. I guess broadly speaking, most of
Speaker 2: them all operate out of the same thing, you know,
Speaker 2: in terms of what chemicals they might have in them,
Speaker 2: But certainly having a pre wash makes a significant difference,
Speaker 2: and so I mentioned I had our own house family
Speaker 2: home wash. The other day, I talked to the young
Speaker 2: fellow who was coming to do it, and he had
Speaker 2: a pre wash solution, which is sort of a commercial
Speaker 2: grade one. He applied an application allowed that to sort of,
Speaker 2: you know, get into all of that moss and mold
Speaker 2: that grows on the outside of a house, and then
Speaker 2: he did a powerwash. So not not he it was
Speaker 2: a water blaster, but he used it in such a
Speaker 2: way where he wasn't directing a massive amount of water
Speaker 2: onto the building, which is really important. So I think
Speaker 2: a pre wash or a treatment before you wash the
Speaker 2: house is essential.
Speaker 15: Okay, Well so yeah, I mean, or the our house
Speaker 15: doesn't really have any stuff throwing, would you still need
Speaker 15: a pre washer that hasn't got much.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would still do that because I think what
Speaker 2: it's doing then is it's it's treating the paint surface, right,
Speaker 2: And even if you can't see it, I would suggest
Speaker 2: that that's great because obviously you look after it, right,
Speaker 2: But if you don't, what you'll see is just more
Speaker 2: mold and mold growth, particularly on southern sides of the
Speaker 2: house areas where it might be a bit damp that
Speaker 2: sort of thing. So yeah, I think a pre wash
Speaker 2: and then a gentle soft wash using a powerwasher is
Speaker 2: the way to go. But the treatment is really important.
Speaker 15: So the pre wash is that what it's called.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would call it like a pre wash treatment.
Speaker 2: So in some some water blasters, even the one that
Speaker 2: I was using the other day, actually has a facility
Speaker 2: where you can put in a wash element into it
Speaker 2: and then spray that out. So when I was doing
Speaker 2: some of the cleaning the pathways, I put in some
Speaker 2: cleaner into that, sprayed it, let it settle on the
Speaker 2: pathway for half an hour or so. Well, I did
Speaker 2: another job and then I came back and washed it
Speaker 2: all off. So let the chemicals do some of the
Speaker 2: work for you.
Speaker 15: Okay, all right, thanks so much, right.
Speaker 2: Take care. It was good fun. I was filthy and wet.
Speaker 2: My feet weren't because I was wearing my new gun boots.
Speaker 2: But it's hard. I was hoping that the gunboats would
Speaker 2: look worn in. They are these new Noramax gum boats.
Speaker 2: I was hoping. I was really really hoping that they
Speaker 2: would look worn in. But they look brand new, even
Speaker 2: after I've been doing all this work. So I've got
Speaker 2: to go and do another job now to make them
Speaker 2: look a bit old, because we all know there is
Speaker 2: no credibility in wearing brand new gun boots out in public.
Speaker 2: Twenty seven minutes after seven, let's talk to Tom. Hello there, Tom,
Speaker 2: Good morning, sir, good ones.
Speaker 7: I hear you all the time, like the pose and
Speaker 7: the time.
Speaker 2: I like that phrase. I'm going to pokemon nose and
Speaker 2: I might do that as an introduction to the show.
Speaker 2: Welcome folks, if you'd like to poke your nose and
Speaker 2: you can call eight hun. How can I help.
Speaker 3: Tim well.
Speaker 7: Your detergent spray? That's I recommend that too, because before,
Speaker 7: in the early days, we really wrecked the surface of things,
Speaker 7: including blocks. By the way, you probably know, it rips
Speaker 7: hell out of the surface and it can then creation
Speaker 7: worse there. But that prev wast detergent or during was
Speaker 7: Detergent's good move as long as you don't get the
Speaker 7: thing too close to the work. Why I'm ringing now
Speaker 7: is because I think it'd be a very good move
Speaker 7: if we're allowed to do these sixty square meter buildings
Speaker 7: or similar to make sure they go wooden floors that
Speaker 7: can be picked up and taken away if anything goes wrong,
Speaker 7: or if your bigger developed are happening not conquered floors,
Speaker 7: so you can't take the building away.
Speaker 2: See I suspect that that's in fact, I think even
Speaker 2: in the current legislation around being able to build up
Speaker 2: to thirty square meters without necessarily having a consent, as
Speaker 2: soon as you do a concrete slab, I think it
Speaker 2: probably triggers the requirement for a building consent. So yeah,
Speaker 2: like you say, if you did, and this is where
Speaker 2: things like screw piles might come into their own as well,
Speaker 2: that you could do these screw piles, pop down the
Speaker 2: minor dwelling on top of it, and then if you
Speaker 2: did want to move it later on. Although picking up
Speaker 2: a sixty square meter building is not a small job, right.
Speaker 7: But it can be done now you do crane and
Speaker 7: taken away, but you can cut it in half you
Speaker 7: want it not. But the point is I make and
Speaker 7: you can take a good building and put it somewhere else.
Speaker 7: We'll move it slightly and put another extension in. I've
Speaker 7: been building so long that a lot of my commercial
Speaker 7: buildings have been taken away and replaced on roads. Well.
Speaker 7: All the rest started off in nineteen sixty I think.
Speaker 2: Is I know the Great South throw reasonably well because
Speaker 2: I used to live in Papa Toy and we you know,
Speaker 2: you'd cycle on that most days actually, as it happens,
Speaker 2: a great South road. Yeah, hey, look, I appreciate it,
Speaker 2: I think, And this is I guess this is where
Speaker 2: the consultation will be interesting and where we might land
Speaker 2: in terms of an actual piece of legislation that says
Speaker 2: you can do X, Y and Z. And I agree
Speaker 2: with you. I think that anything that is going to
Speaker 2: be allowed to be built up to sixty square meters
Speaker 2: without necessarily requiring a building consent probably needs to be
Speaker 2: built with a timber floor rather than a concrete slab
Speaker 2: on the ground.
Speaker 16: Right, you tell them all right, I'll put it in
Speaker 16: your name. Tom much appreciated, lovely to chat with you.
Speaker 16: Take care then you and Newstalks Heed be I think
Speaker 16: we should take a break. Let's do that right now,
Speaker 16: and then we'll come back and talk flooding with Greg
Speaker 16: seven thirty five at Newstalk's head be Greg, good morning
Speaker 16: to you.
Speaker 14: Yeah, hey, Pete, great to talk to you. Thank you
Speaker 14: for your show. So yeah, two two aspects want to
Speaker 14: just discussed on the flooding.
Speaker 17: Now.
Speaker 14: I'm an Auckland of course, I've lived in Westleton all
Speaker 14: my life, and I've probably lived in places that were
Speaker 14: built in swamps old swamps in the past that were
Speaker 14: underwater last year. I currently own a place on very
Speaker 14: elevated land in Wessels and so not a price for now.
Speaker 14: But I was looking at those flood view of maps
Speaker 14: from working councils. Yes, now, the old map and the
Speaker 14: new ones. But I know one hundred those maps are
Speaker 14: out of date now because the high tide of the
Speaker 14: floods in the you know, a lot of house, of
Speaker 14: lot of streets, and we're talking run along the creeks
Speaker 14: the course. I'm very flat land, and the actual high
Speaker 14: tide of where those flood warders came through exceeds the
Speaker 14: current map, even the new ones. Really, those maps are
Speaker 14: already out of date. They're already out of date. I
Speaker 14: know they've gone past by many meters. We've got friends
Speaker 14: in these areas.
Speaker 2: And well that's look and I'm I'm intrigued by that
Speaker 2: in the sense that I looked at some property a
Speaker 2: specific area that I know well, and i'd been involved
Speaker 2: in remediation of the flood damage last year to properties
Speaker 2: that were like two or three hundred meters away from
Speaker 2: this other one. And so when I looked on the
Speaker 2: flood viewer, I was impressed at how accurate and up
Speaker 2: to date it was and how extensive it showed areas
Speaker 2: that would be prone to flooding in the future based
Speaker 2: on evidence from what happened back in January and then
Speaker 2: again in February. So my experience of it has been
Speaker 2: I looked at it and there was a particular property
Speaker 2: that I was looking at, and it was like the
Speaker 2: flood zone came right up to the boundary basically, and
Speaker 2: interestingly enough, looking at those properties, and I've known this
Speaker 2: area for twenty five years, thirty years. There would have
Speaker 2: been one or two occasions in thirty years where some
Speaker 2: of the properties in the most low lying part of
Speaker 2: it had had some flooding of like basements and that
Speaker 2: sort of thing. But then based on last year's rainfall,
Speaker 2: it was way more extensive and that was reflected in floodviewer.
Speaker 2: So it's interesting to hear you say, look, you know
Speaker 2: properties that were flooded last year that haven't been included
Speaker 2: in flood flowed flood viewer.
Speaker 14: It could be that these properties had just you know,
Speaker 14: massive rainfall locals in the area and caused those creeks
Speaker 14: to come up more than what the flood viewer map showed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but what again when I was looking at it
Speaker 2: the other day, like you know, last year during the floods,
Speaker 2: the Northern Motorway between Esmond Road and Northcote Road was
Speaker 2: a meter underwater. Now, I've lived in Kland my whole life.
Speaker 2: I've never ever seen that, and yet it happened last
Speaker 2: year and if you look on flood viewer, it's evidenced there.
Speaker 18: Okay, oh, maybe it is they have updated they haven't
Speaker 18: it everywhere, or maybe some catchment area's got more rain
Speaker 18: than the floods viewer anticipated they would get.
Speaker 12: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Possibly, Look, it's a dynamic thing, isn't it.
Speaker 14: Yah, But it was at one one point eight meters
Speaker 14: around the year, yep, and averages one point two. West
Speaker 14: often gets the southwesterly windsors We're the first generally, and
Speaker 14: you get a lot of rainfall and ateagories that then
Speaker 14: flow into those creeks and the West Sorcelands.
Speaker 18: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And of course you know the challenge for parts of
Speaker 2: Westalkland and sort of northwest Aalkland is that for it
Speaker 2: to get to the sea, it's got to go into
Speaker 2: the Kuiper Harbor and out. That's a long way to go. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, it doesn't.
Speaker 14: Come yep, Riverhead, and I see they're still trying to
Speaker 14: build new places at Riverhead and the flood zones were
Speaker 14: next to the flood zone and Riverhead, you know, very
Speaker 14: flat areas. But the push for housing, there's always a compromise,
Speaker 14: isn't it. You know, you're built the build it like
Speaker 14: the Gulf Coast of the America. They build it twenty
Speaker 14: feet in the air.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, it's it's going to be really and
Speaker 2: look again, you know, because we all know stories, right
Speaker 2: And I know someone who built in an area where
Speaker 2: they knew there was flooding, and so when they submitted
Speaker 2: their building consent, they raised the level of their floor,
Speaker 2: so concrete floor on grade, two story house on it.
Speaker 2: They decided that they would build six hundred millimeters above
Speaker 2: the required minimum, and they still got one hundred millimeters
Speaker 2: of rain through the house of flood water through the house,
Speaker 2: and they went six hundred mile above the flood zone.
Speaker 14: That's where the new you know, everything's done on concrete.
Speaker 14: Concrete is on ground level, isn't it and the water
Speaker 14: backs up behind that. Whereas the old days and with
Speaker 14: often everything it was good and we thought most things
Speaker 14: were on past because they knew they had flooding, but
Speaker 14: they probably weren't. They should be at two meters off
Speaker 14: the ground as a bit of the one meter off
Speaker 14: the ground.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I've been out to sat West Aokland houses
Speaker 2: as well that were alongside the creek and they got flooded,
Speaker 2: not in the January floods, but in floods from two
Speaker 2: three years ago. So it's going to be a real challenge.
Speaker 14: And also, Pete, you've got a lot of these I know,
Speaker 14: a lot of streets and we're thought we're used to
Speaker 14: living in their blind and like the whole side of
Speaker 14: the streets was underwater the other side of it because
Speaker 14: they build these. Of course, the build the street alongside
Speaker 14: the creek because it's nice flat land and it's the
Speaker 14: geology to build a straight road on. Of course it's
Speaker 14: on flat land, and that whole side of the street
Speaker 14: basically is a council buying them out, but some people
Speaker 14: are going to hold out, so you're getting the houses
Speaker 14: being removed, but people living in the house next to it,
Speaker 14: because they've bought it cheap and they've renovated it. I
Speaker 14: just think, why would you buy it cheap and renovated
Speaker 14: it because it's going to get, you know, something to
Speaker 14: blood recently at two hundred bills. Yet to say it's
Speaker 14: going to happen again, isn't it It's going to happen again.
Speaker 12: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Undoubtedly we're going to have more and more flooding, without
Speaker 2: a doubt. I appreciate the call and the insights much appreciated.
Speaker 2: And again, if you're wondering what I'm talking about, and
Speaker 2: I don't know that, it's all councils around the country,
Speaker 2: so please forgive me for being a bit Auckland centric.
Speaker 2: But flood view is a new tool, a new website
Speaker 2: that's been developed that shows updated and I've found it
Speaker 2: to be eerily accurate in terms of you know, what
Speaker 2: I remember from the floods from last year to what
Speaker 2: is now on flood Viewer. So it is you can
Speaker 2: whittle away a happy couple of hours googling your friend's
Speaker 2: addresses to see whether they're in the new flood signs.
Speaker 2: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to
Speaker 2: call Bob. Greetings to you, sir.
Speaker 12: Yes, situation we got up in TOWERU was my daughter's
Speaker 12: sewer pipe blocked up, So I thought, right here, we'll
Speaker 12: dig up ourselves. We've got the plumber and to come
Speaker 12: and check it out for us. I understood that when
Speaker 12: you got to your boundary, anything over the boundary was
Speaker 12: the councils problem. However, the sewer pipe ran down the road,
Speaker 12: across another section and then finally tapped into the main
Speaker 12: sewer pipe in TOWERU. We are responsible for that if
Speaker 12: we had to dig up the road get to the
Speaker 12: pipe between my boundary and the connecting pipe. Well, I thought,
Speaker 12: once you got to your boundary, that regional problem and
Speaker 12: the rest of them blind to countils. But under the
Speaker 12: by law and the tarooas, no, they don't. It's irresponsible
Speaker 12: to taps into their main pipe, which was you know,
Speaker 12: a good klimitter down the road. So it would it
Speaker 12: mean we were to get roading people in signs et
Speaker 12: cet etector sector. Is that a common thing?
Speaker 2: I think the key to what you're talking about is
Speaker 2: that it's your private drainage. So even if your private
Speaker 2: drainage goes through somebody else's property until it connects to
Speaker 2: the public line. It is still your responsibility despite the
Speaker 2: fact that it's not on your property per se.
Speaker 12: Okay, because it's still the understanding. Right, So if you
Speaker 12: were if you've unfortunately got one that runs a mile
Speaker 12: and a half down the road where it taps into
Speaker 12: the main system. God only knows why it would do that,
Speaker 12: but then you are responsible for if that what's up
Speaker 12: digging up the roadway, et cetera, et cetera. Yep, Yeah,
Speaker 12: because I did ring the mayor at CAW and she
Speaker 12: shaid up with a law put into their by laws,
Speaker 12: you know, one hundred years ago that that was the
Speaker 12: rules and they couldn't change it.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, yeah. I think it really all defend comes
Speaker 2: down to is it private? And in this instance, I
Speaker 2: think it is private and therefore it's your responsibility.
Speaker 12: Is how we did mention it a few of the
Speaker 12: locals up there, and they didn't They didn't have the
Speaker 12: foggiest they know that it wouldn't be that way what
Speaker 12: it is.
Speaker 2: And in some cases I know of situations where people
Speaker 2: have been they've wanted to do some extensions and part
Speaker 2: of you know, the drainage has been that they are
Speaker 2: then asked to upgrade some of the public lines as well,
Speaker 2: or contribute to the upgrading of public lines, and like
Speaker 2: that gets expensive very very quickly.
Speaker 12: That's what I mean, that we've got out of the
Speaker 12: cost for us to do anything. I mean, luckily we
Speaker 12: did manage to unlock it to the boundary and solved
Speaker 12: the problem. But when we made inquiries, if this goes on,
Speaker 12: who pays for it?
Speaker 4: You? You do?
Speaker 2: Yeah, until it's a public line. Yeah, all right, nice
Speaker 2: to talk to you all the best, take care of it.
Speaker 2: Your news talks, he'd be. It's seven forty three. And
Speaker 2: if you've got a question of a building nature, the
Speaker 2: lines are open. The number is eight hundred and eighty
Speaker 2: ten eighty. Your news Talks, he'd be. And this is
Speaker 2: the resident builder on Sunday. And we like to take
Speaker 2: a deep dive into sometimes some very specific parts of
Speaker 2: building compliance. And I know sometimes when we talk about
Speaker 2: these things, it's it's easy for the eyes to glaze
Speaker 2: over and all the rest of it. So we're trying
Speaker 2: to have a look at it. In particular H one
Speaker 2: of the Building Code, but there's other parts of the
Speaker 2: Building Code that relate directly to glazing, and one of
Speaker 2: the challenges that I've found, and I've done a couple
Speaker 2: of many years of work alongside Metro Performance Glass talking
Speaker 2: about glazing, particularly around double glazing retro fitting, because of
Speaker 2: all of the benefits that it brings in terms of warm, dry, comfortable.
Speaker 2: But we also one of the challenges when you talk
Speaker 2: about glasses because you look through it, right, so we
Speaker 2: don't often appreciate how it fits into some very very
Speaker 2: important parts of the building code. So to discuss this
Speaker 2: a little bit further, it's a pleasure to welcome back
Speaker 2: to the program. Mc carty Jones from Metro Performance Glass.
Speaker 2: Very good morning, Nick, Good morning Peters.
Speaker 8: Thanks having us.
Speaker 2: And that is one of the challenges when we're talking
Speaker 2: about glass is often because we look through it, we
Speaker 2: kind of can tend to ignore it. But in terms
Speaker 2: of our building envelope and what we build, glasses and
Speaker 2: glazing is really really important in it, and it's embedded
Speaker 2: into the building code. And so within the building code
Speaker 2: we've got all of these different sections A through to
Speaker 2: about eof or something that and we've got B one,
Speaker 2: B two, F two and H one. So H one,
Speaker 2: let's start with that energy efficiency. There's been significant changes
Speaker 2: to the requirements as of November last year. How are
Speaker 2: you starting to see the impact of that.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's some questions.
Speaker 7: So you're right.
Speaker 8: So all clauses in the Building Code, the one probably
Speaker 8: had the most work and most appeached in the last
Speaker 8: couple of years is certainly H one. So what H
Speaker 8: one does. It essentially specifies what the thermal performance requirements
Speaker 8: are of individual building materials. And so when you're talking
Speaker 8: about insulation, it really came down to windows, wall, roof
Speaker 8: and some slab insulation components. So hey, windows, Undoubtedly we're
Speaker 8: a big ticket in that about fifty percent of the
Speaker 8: heat loss in homes NBA discovered can come from windows
Speaker 8: that might be through the glass that mon't be through
Speaker 8: the joinery. So look with that change come through. Essentially,
Speaker 8: what it means is as you're building a new home,
Speaker 8: to build to the current H one standard, it will
Speaker 8: largely mean in New Zealand you must be using lowy
Speaker 8: double glazing, will need to be arg and filled, and
Speaker 8: the frame itself will now need to be thermally broken
Speaker 8: rather than a solid piece of aluminium will need to
Speaker 8: have a thermal break to prevent that heat loss or
Speaker 8: transfer to the outside of the building. So, yeah, what
Speaker 8: we're seeing a strong uptake in that. You know, a
Speaker 8: few years ago, maybe only twenty to thirty percent of
Speaker 8: homes we're having low e double glazing with argam installed
Speaker 8: in them. And now you know, with that uptake it
Speaker 8: will be well over seventy percent nationwide.
Speaker 2: And one of the challenges, know is with some of
Speaker 2: your team at field Days a couple of weeks ago,
Speaker 2: and you know, you've got that classic little display with
Speaker 2: four heat lamps and four different types of double glazing,
Speaker 2: and that unless you really know what you're looking at,
Speaker 2: you can't really hell, just looking at the glass what
Speaker 2: the difference is, but the way in which it's put together,
Speaker 2: when you put your hand over it and you feel
Speaker 2: the difference in the heat, you can see it working
Speaker 2: or you can feel it working, because of course it's
Speaker 2: really hard to see it working. It's got to be
Speaker 2: quite you know. And this is where as we're talking
Speaker 2: about those those really specific elements of how the double
Speaker 2: glazed unit is assembled out of what type of glass,
Speaker 2: with what types of coatings, with what type of gas
Speaker 2: inside it, it actually makes quite a big.
Speaker 7: Difference, Yeah, it does.
Speaker 8: It makes a substantial difference. So I guess that's where
Speaker 8: technology has really played a big part in in the
Speaker 8: window industry. So, going back ten years ago, probably when
Speaker 8: you were building, people didn't see if you were using
Speaker 8: lowe you could really see the coatings. They looked almost
Speaker 8: a little bit cloudy, a little bit hazy over the glass, right,
Speaker 8: Whereas as you say, with technology that lowy coating is
Speaker 8: virtually invisible to the naked eye, and yet the performance
Speaker 8: is substantially stronger. So you know, as we say, we're
Speaker 8: getting lifted and performance of sort of anywhere in the
Speaker 8: range of four to five times what clear doubglazing had
Speaker 8: been through these almost visible coatings on the surface of
Speaker 8: a glass.
Speaker 2: Now you mentioned too around safety, and this is another
Speaker 2: element I think that's changed well dramatically with glazing is
Speaker 2: the requirement for it to have some provision for safety
Speaker 2: in terms of impact resistance, right. And I can very
Speaker 2: clearly remember being at school quite a few years ago
Speaker 2: now and a door swung back and a guy put
Speaker 2: his arm up to stop it, and he went straight
Speaker 2: through the glass, right, and the wounds were horrific. So
Speaker 2: these days glazing also needs to ensure safety in if
Speaker 2: you did fall against it, and how does that impact
Speaker 2: the glazing as well and what's being installed in houses.
Speaker 8: It's a good question. So obviously, you know with retrofitting,
Speaker 8: where we're taking out a a pain of single blazing
Speaker 8: typically just annealed glass, and we're putting in a brand
Speaker 8: new double glazed unit. You know, we commonly get asked,
Speaker 8: you know, doesn't require a building consent.
Speaker 6: To do that.
Speaker 8: Now, typically it doesn't. See, you can go and replace
Speaker 8: that element. But in saying that, when you do replace it,
Speaker 8: you still do need to meet these clauses of the
Speaker 8: Building Code. And as you say, one of those talks
Speaker 8: about Clause F two talks about hazardous materials and buildings.
Speaker 8: So how do you manage to make sure you're not
Speaker 8: putting hazardous materials into the building? Well, the Building Code
Speaker 8: talks about glazing that needs to meet human impact requirements.
Speaker 8: So if you've got glazing that's you know, full white glazing,
Speaker 8: might be a door panel or something like that, or
Speaker 8: you might have glazing within sort of eight hundred millimeters
Speaker 8: of the floor. The Building Codes really really specifically tells
Speaker 8: you what that glass must be in order to be
Speaker 8: safe for human occupancy. So as we go around and
Speaker 8: we do retrofitting, will typically removed these panes of glass
Speaker 8: and where it does is required to be a safety glass.
Speaker 8: Come from safety glass. We put that glass in place,
Speaker 8: so you're actually lifting the total safety leaders of the
Speaker 8: home and you're actually bringing in terms of the glass
Speaker 8: compliance up to modern standards just by the process of retrofitting.
Speaker 2: Your home, right, And that's I mean again, you know,
Speaker 2: for any of us that have seen the impact of
Speaker 2: what happens when somebody goes through a glass pain or
Speaker 2: something like that, you know, you go, man, I'm so
Speaker 2: pleased that those rules have tightened up so considerably.
Speaker 8: Absolutely, and it is so important. You know, the critical
Speaker 8: difference between safety glass and that steendar glass, as you say,
Speaker 8: is exactly it's how the glass breaks. With safety glass,
Speaker 8: it breaks into very very fine peebles of glass as
Speaker 8: opposed to big, long shards and so hey, some of
Speaker 8: the really progressive work that's been done around the building
Speaker 8: code has been clear on where those tough and panes
Speaker 8: of safety glass must be. For example, in a bathroom,
Speaker 8: any any wet area within two meters of the floor,
Speaker 8: all of that glass from the inside must be tough
Speaker 8: and safety glass. So if you did have a slip
Speaker 8: and you'd have a fall of your arm did reach
Speaker 8: out and had a window, You're going to be hitting
Speaker 8: a safety pane of glass as opposed to a pain
Speaker 8: that would shatter and form some big long shards. And
Speaker 8: schools are really similar as well, So all of the
Speaker 8: glazing going into schools these days is required to be
Speaker 8: that safety glass as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's where this particular event happened actually, But
Speaker 2: I mean we're talking forty odd years ago, so no
Speaker 2: wonder things have changed. And the last thing I just
Speaker 2: wanted to touch on as well is that, you know,
Speaker 2: I've been inside some houses during a storm where these
Speaker 2: big bits of glazing looking out at the wind basically,
Speaker 2: and I'm seeing them deflect. So obviously when you're doing
Speaker 2: large section glazing, there's also then a whole lot of
Speaker 2: things there around the structure, their ability to withstand wind
Speaker 2: in particular.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Absolutely, So again in the in in one of those
Speaker 8: structural clause of the building Code, it will nominate how
Speaker 8: much deflection and things of building material including glass can
Speaker 8: have and still be deemed to be compliant and working
Speaker 8: well and safely for that building. And so you know,
Speaker 8: we spend a lot of time looking at the different
Speaker 8: wind zones and positioning of glass and homes and coming
Speaker 8: up with the absolute right specification of that glass and
Speaker 8: how thick does that glass need to be for its size,
Speaker 8: its location in the wind zone, to ensure that we're
Speaker 8: not getting that big draft of wind comes through and
Speaker 8: can essentially damage or break a window, and specify the
Speaker 8: unit to meet those requires.
Speaker 2: To meet those requirements, it's a lot more technical than
Speaker 2: it seems at first glance, and that's why we're talking
Speaker 2: to an expert like yourself.
Speaker 19: Nick.
Speaker 2: Thanks very much for joining us this morning on the program.
Speaker 2: Much appreciated. Thanks you all of this. McCarty jones from
Speaker 2: Metro Performance Glass check him out online. There's a lot
Speaker 2: of good information there. Back after the break.
Speaker 10: In the whole street of the high we took a
Speaker 10: hard left, but we're all.
Speaker 2: Oh, very good morning, welcome back to the program. Oh
Speaker 2: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you've got a
Speaker 2: quick comment to make. We're talking quite a bit about
Speaker 2: granny flats for good reason, because the government put out
Speaker 2: some information at the beginning of the week calling for
Speaker 2: submissions about proposed changes. So we've talked about that to
Speaker 2: be fair, and I love your opinion because it's opinion.
Speaker 2: What I find a bit frustrating is when you hear
Speaker 2: commentary in the media from people that are supposed to
Speaker 2: know what they're talking about but don't. And so I'm
Speaker 2: going to get around that by going to someone who
Speaker 2: does know what they're talking about. So before we jump
Speaker 2: into the garden with rud Klein passed at eight thirty
Speaker 2: this morning, we're going to be talking with Hamish Firth,
Speaker 2: planner at Mount Hobson Group. He's been on the show
Speaker 2: a couple of times planning issues, very good grasp of
Speaker 2: the legislation, understands what all the implications are of making
Speaker 2: changes like this. So we're going to have a chat
Speaker 2: with him in about ten minutes as well. We'll take
Speaker 2: your calls right now. And I mean a lot of texts.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is interesting, and this is kind of
Speaker 2: where this is an exemplar of the sort of complexity
Speaker 2: that's going to emerge once we start to try and
Speaker 2: pin down legislation on this. Hey, Pete, if these granny
Speaker 2: flats don't need a building consent, will they need the
Speaker 2: five odd building inspections during construction? If so, what's the
Speaker 2: point of employing an LBP, as they still cannot apply
Speaker 2: the code without costly inspections. Is this going to end
Speaker 2: up as a bit of a scam, Well, no, Chris.
Speaker 2: The whole point of not having a building consent theoretically
Speaker 2: is that there won't be any council inspections. And I
Speaker 2: notice that in the brief discussion pieces that have come
Speaker 2: out from the government, they're talking about a trusted builder.
Speaker 2: They're not using the word LBP because lbp's licensed building
Speaker 2: practitioners have to do restricted building work. Restricted building work
Speaker 2: is basically work that requires a building consent. This is
Speaker 2: going to be work that may not necessarily require a
Speaker 2: building consent, in which case there won't be any council inspections,
Speaker 2: in which case, if you're buying one down the track,
Speaker 2: how do you know it's any good? Those are the
Speaker 2: issues we're going to be dealing with. So we'll be
Speaker 2: talking about that with Hamish Firth very soon. Donald, greetings
Speaker 2: to you, sir.
Speaker 19: Good morning. I'm splitting to that man with a double glazing?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 19: Can I Can I get double glazing put in my windows?
Speaker 19: Existing windows?
Speaker 2: Most likely?
Speaker 19: Yes, like the frame almenium and everything.
Speaker 13: Yep.
Speaker 2: So I know from because I do quite a bit
Speaker 2: of work with Metro performance Glass, right so, and they
Speaker 2: do retro fit double glazing retro DG. And from what
Speaker 2: my discussions with their technical team has been that about
Speaker 2: ninety five percent of aluminium joinery they've got the right
Speaker 2: extrusions to be able to take out your existing single
Speaker 2: glazing and put in double glazing. Now if in some
Speaker 2: situations the sash won't accept a piece of double glazing,
Speaker 2: because you've got to remember, if you've got four more
Speaker 2: glass in there at the moment, or even three mil
Speaker 2: and then you're going to put double glazing in, it's
Speaker 2: going to be at least sixteen millimeters thick, possibly even
Speaker 2: a bit more depending on how it's put together. So
Speaker 2: not all sashes will be able to be adapted, in
Speaker 2: which case they'll just make a new sash and install
Speaker 2: that into an existing window frame.
Speaker 19: My house is fifty three years old.
Speaker 2: See, the challenge will be is that overall the condition
Speaker 2: of your in its aluminium joinery. Yes, yes, see it's funny,
Speaker 2: isn't it. I mean, I still think of aluminium jowinery
Speaker 2: as kind of modern, but then I realize that a
Speaker 2: lot of it's as old as I am, and I'm
Speaker 2: not modern anymore. And so in some cases you may
Speaker 2: find that the actual joinery itself is getting to the
Speaker 2: end of its expected lifespan, you know. But and in
Speaker 2: that case, you know you've got to make a decision.
Speaker 2: Do you just say, actually, what I'm going to do
Speaker 2: is remove the entire windows suite, Because when we're talking
Speaker 2: about windows, I think sometimes we forget that there's two
Speaker 2: components to it. There's the frame and the glazing, and
Speaker 2: the combination of the joinery and the glazing make up
Speaker 2: a window, for example. And what you might find is that,
Speaker 2: in fact, the overall condition of the aluminum joinery as
Speaker 2: such that you could put the investment into the double glazing,
Speaker 2: but you've still got poorly performing frames, in which case
Speaker 2: may be replacing the whole lot, which is doable. That
Speaker 2: would probably trigger requirement for a building consent, by the way,
Speaker 2: But look, there's there's heaps of information online and some
Speaker 2: of the stuff that Nick was talking about. Have a
Speaker 2: look at the Metro Glass Metro Performance Glass website, and
Speaker 2: then for specific information on double glazing, you can check
Speaker 2: out retrodg dot co dot nz as well. It is
Speaker 2: let me see twelve minutes after eight here at newstalk ZB.
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Speaker 12: So.
Speaker 3: There was much.
Speaker 2: Fanfare at the beginning of the week around a government
Speaker 2: initiative to provide affordable housing, right and so one of
Speaker 2: the ideas is, hey, what about we let people build
Speaker 2: up to sixty square meters in your back garden on
Speaker 2: an existing house without necessarily having a building consent And
Speaker 2: everyone went, oh gosh, that sounds like a good idea.
Speaker 2: Now at this stage it's all about consultation. So I
Speaker 2: flicked a quick email to Hamish Firth, who's been on
Speaker 2: this show a number of times, and I put to
Speaker 2: him a number of questions. And the reason that I'm
Speaker 2: consulting with Hamish is you're a planner. You've probably seen
Speaker 2: these sorts of proposals, and I guess you've got an
Speaker 2: insight into what are the likely outcomes of how complex
Speaker 2: is this going to be to administer in whatever way
Speaker 2: it ends up becoming law hamous, Good morning and welcome
Speaker 2: to the show.
Speaker 3: Good morning, morning, morning morning. Two words for you, game changer.
Speaker 3: Let's take one step back. Game changer at three levels.
Speaker 3: The first level is a hat tip to our politicians.
Speaker 3: So we've spent six years dancing around the issue of
Speaker 3: housing affordability and zone changes and not a lot happened,
Speaker 3: and within six months we've got a discussion document that
Speaker 3: points in the right direction. Second, this is the beginning
Speaker 3: and this goes to your question about beginning of a
Speaker 3: process of getting counsel away from the last man standing
Speaker 3: in terms of liability and getting them to be the
Speaker 3: keeper of the record. And then thirdly for the homeowner,
Speaker 3: so whether it's granny literally, whether it's the teenager, whether
Speaker 3: it's the uncle coming home, whether it's extended family or
Speaker 3: far now, or whether you just want to rent this
Speaker 3: out and make some money. This provides at that high
Speaker 3: level a simple opportunity across the country from the top
Speaker 3: to the bottom. That we have a regulation and standard.
Speaker 3: The second part of it, which is to your question,
Speaker 3: is the devil will be in the detail. And I
Speaker 3: think it's really really important that we get it right.
Speaker 3: We get it right in terms of where these can
Speaker 3: be located. We don't want these in flood zones, exacerbating flooding.
Speaker 3: We want to make sure that we've got the connections.
Speaker 3: We also don't want to create a swetto where you
Speaker 3: walk into a yard and there's tenery. So is it
Speaker 3: one sixty square meter two thirty? How are they connected
Speaker 3: to the pipework. I think I think we can still
Speaker 3: get that right. I think this discussion document which is
Speaker 3: calling for submissions, you know, we need the insurance Council
Speaker 3: to be involved here to say, okay, how are we
Speaker 3: going to deal with these? We need, you know, the
Speaker 3: legal teams to come in and say how would we
Speaker 3: deal with these? In terms of limbs and I'm coming
Speaker 3: to buy one, has it been built properly? And then thirdly,
Speaker 3: we want to make sure that there is light regulation
Speaker 3: around them so that we don't end up having people
Speaker 3: living in car crates because the quality goes to zero.
Speaker 2: So let's let's take a couple of things straight off
Speaker 2: the bat site coverage rules, we would expect expect still
Speaker 2: to comply. So let's say I think you know, I'm
Speaker 2: on five hundred square meters, my house is two hundred.
Speaker 2: I've got enough space, and I wouldn't be at fifty percent.
Speaker 2: But let's say you're already at fifty percent site coverage.
Speaker 2: Could you squeeze another unit on? Would that be a
Speaker 2: good idea?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 3: I think again, we've got to use the existing rules
Speaker 3: as a guide. If you read that discussion document, plans
Speaker 3: proper plans still have to be drawn. I think we
Speaker 3: should use the yard boundaries, the hate to boundaries of
Speaker 3: the typical controls. In other words, make the unit a
Speaker 3: permitted activity, but make it fit within that sort of
Speaker 3: regulatory framework that we have now so that people's experts.
Speaker 3: You're not going to have buildings built right on the
Speaker 3: boundary without fire rating. You're not going to have stormwater
Speaker 3: overflow exacerbated by over coverage. So I think we use
Speaker 3: those as a really good guide and you can ply
Speaker 3: with those. I also think that, and you probably hearing
Speaker 3: my voice, Pete, I'm excited about this. This is a
Speaker 3: game changer. I think that we should be collecting development
Speaker 3: contributions on this there is still going to be pressure
Speaker 3: on the services. There's still going to be pressure on
Speaker 3: the parks and the stormwater and the sewer. So a
Speaker 3: tick box says you go to counsel and say here's
Speaker 3: what I've done. I heard you say it's trusted builder.
Speaker 3: I think it should be a licensed building practitioner. I
Speaker 3: think that the plumber who signs in the same way
Speaker 3: US Sparky does. Yes, Sparkis aren't regulated by council. They
Speaker 3: provide their CCC to the homeowner or to the license
Speaker 3: building practitioner. But this is where I talk about counsel
Speaker 3: being the keeper of the record rather than the last
Speaker 3: man's standing. So we make the licensed plumber present his
Speaker 3: certificate to confirm he's done it to code. We make
Speaker 3: the LVB do the same, so that we know the
Speaker 3: unit meets healthy home standards. Ye, so that we know
Speaker 3: it's been built properly and put on properly. But it's
Speaker 3: not that you need to consent for it. All you
Speaker 3: need to do is show council you've done it. That
Speaker 3: you have to have that tick box that will go
Speaker 3: on the limb and the liability moves from council back
Speaker 3: to those licensed building practitioners.
Speaker 2: So typically things like connecting, you know, changing connections to
Speaker 2: a sewer line, for example, triggers a requirement for building consent.
Speaker 2: So if you're going to add a minor dwelling that's
Speaker 2: got a toilet in the kitchen and a shower and
Speaker 2: those sorts of things, and you're adding to the sewer system,
Speaker 2: do you think council will want to jump in then
Speaker 2: and demand a building consent?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and again I don't think we need too. We
Speaker 3: trust electricians with our lives, you know, I don't the
Speaker 3: lights a shop and die, So why can't we trust
Speaker 3: the plumber to connect the pipework to the public system correctly?
Speaker 2: And maybe.
Speaker 3: A record of works photographs? So, in other words, we
Speaker 3: have a regulatory system that says you must submit eight
Speaker 3: photos of the pipework going in and it being batfilled correctly.
Speaker 3: So if you've done that and it's been done correctly,
Speaker 3: why do we need someone to come and inspect it.
Speaker 2: We've talked about this a little bit on the program today,
Speaker 2: and one of the suggestions would be that any of
Speaker 2: these types of dwellings, none of them should have a
Speaker 2: concrete slab is that kind of where you would think
Speaker 2: that it would be so that anything was above ground
Speaker 2: rather than on the ground.
Speaker 3: I think that we keep it as simple as possible.
Speaker 3: At this stage. We can let's send two or three
Speaker 3: years time this has bettered down. Well, then we can
Speaker 3: look at concrete slabs going and let's look at it.
Speaker 3: It has to be on sex foundations in the way
Speaker 3: we go the other thing. I think this is a
Speaker 3: game changer for and I think we need to incorporate
Speaker 3: this into the regulation. Ye puplicyeing. Suddenly it makes it
Speaker 3: easier from a ride to put eight or nine of
Speaker 3: these on there. You might be an orchard needing seasonal workers,
Speaker 3: so suddenly you can holorify a farm.
Speaker 12: You know.
Speaker 3: So in the words, you've got a problem down in
Speaker 3: Queenstown with hospitality, Well, let's allow minor dwelling units to
Speaker 3: go on people's backyard so that people who work in
Speaker 3: hospitality can have somewhere to live that's affordable. It might
Speaker 3: be golf courses, schools, and this is why I think
Speaker 3: that this is a great discussion document. So now we've
Speaker 3: got cheaper accommodation for teachers who might be early in
Speaker 3: their careers can't afford a house. This is the game changer.
Speaker 2: The other just about one of the thoughts I had
Speaker 2: around that phrase trusted builder, do we just go? It
Speaker 2: can be off site manufacture, owner only, and that's a
Speaker 2: way of insurance quality control.
Speaker 3: It makes sense you think you think about you know,
Speaker 3: your kith a home or your hell's me. They have
Speaker 3: been pumping these sort of prefab small units out for
Speaker 3: years in a quality, quality controlled environment. It would make
Speaker 3: sense to be able to do that. But there may
Speaker 3: also be occasions where they can't be trained in or.
Speaker 5: They shan't be brought.
Speaker 3: Yes, but if we've got them built to a plan
Speaker 3: that a license architect or draft person is drawn that
Speaker 3: a licensed builder is building, we've all built it to
Speaker 3: a standard it has. It has to have a healthy
Speaker 3: Home certificate. We keep it simple. I don't think it
Speaker 3: has to be pre manufactured, but it makes sense to
Speaker 3: be done that way.
Speaker 2: Just you mentioned also insurance, and I'm thinking that you know,
Speaker 2: typically an insurer will have some surety around if a
Speaker 2: building's got a building consent, if it's got a CCC,
Speaker 2: that's great. Now if we've got buildings that are going
Speaker 2: to be built and they don't have that what surety?
Speaker 2: How would you give surety to the insurer that it's
Speaker 2: not going to cause problems for them long term?
Speaker 3: Again, I think it's that certification. How's these units come
Speaker 3: with the c c C yep, so maybe these if
Speaker 3: these can and maybe and it's the same with banks.
Speaker 3: Banks will not lend on a unit that doesn't have
Speaker 3: a c c C generally, So we need to come
Speaker 3: up with a system. And that's why I said, we
Speaker 3: need to get the insurance Council, We need to get
Speaker 3: the banks involved and say, okay, what system do we
Speaker 3: need in place to confirm that we can lend against
Speaker 3: these things and that they're ensurable. And I think it
Speaker 3: may be as simple as a healthy home certificate, so
Speaker 3: it gets right, it's been built to a code or
Speaker 3: it's been built to code and the licensed building practitioner
Speaker 3: confirms that, so that liability comes back on THEMS.
Speaker 2: Just a final question. One of the things that was
Speaker 2: talked about is that you know there would need there
Speaker 2: still needs to be designed right. There has to be
Speaker 2: a set of plans for this, and that could be done.
Speaker 2: They often they talk more about engineers than they do
Speaker 2: about architects. But let's say you're an engineer and you've done,
Speaker 2: You've calculated the span of the rafters and the bracing
Speaker 2: units required and so on. I would then expect that
Speaker 2: they would be undertaking on site inspections.
Speaker 3: I agree, But what we don't And again then they
Speaker 3: put their name to it. They sign a document like
Speaker 3: engineers now do for building consents, sign on. They are
Speaker 3: all registered. So let's keep it proper. What we're doing
Speaker 3: here is we're eliminating the glue of uncertainty that council
Speaker 3: bureaucracy often gives us, and the irregular patchwork of sort
Speaker 3: of regulations. This is going to be across the country uniform.
Speaker 3: Make it simple to understand. That can be done in
Speaker 3: ketty ketty, It can be done in Goa, It can
Speaker 3: be done anywhere, and we all have the same regulations
Speaker 3: we're working too. We want counsel out of this process,
Speaker 3: but we want there to be a regulatory framework and
Speaker 3: pathway that give surancies to home runers' banks. And also
Speaker 3: think about it as yourself as the neighbor. The last
Speaker 3: thing you want is the neighbor is that properly be
Speaker 3: built on the boundary. You're okay, there's a minor dwelling
Speaker 3: but let's make it comply. So I think that this
Speaker 3: time I'm going to make a submission. You know, I
Speaker 3: may even wander all the way down to Wellington and appear,
Speaker 3: because I think we've got to do this in a
Speaker 3: well thought out manner. And this sets the scene for
Speaker 3: further changes in the Building Act to make it simpler.
Speaker 3: I heard you were talking about the cost of building
Speaker 3: getting higher and higher. If we can reduce it and
Speaker 3: simplify it and make it least costly, you're probably going
Speaker 3: to get a greater amount of compliance.
Speaker 2: And I think too that you know a little bit
Speaker 2: like when they introduce the changes to Schedule one of
Speaker 2: the Building Act back in twenty nineteen, you know, small
Speaker 2: dwellings could go from ten square meters to thirty. The
Speaker 2: one thing that I think where most of them breaches
Speaker 2: they're too close to the boundary. Right, so in terms
Speaker 2: of imposing controls, like if suddenly you notice that your
Speaker 2: neighbor is building a meter from the boundary and at
Speaker 2: sixty square meters, that would probably breach the outline of
Speaker 2: what this discussion document is about, because the broad outline
Speaker 2: is that it should be the height of the building
Speaker 2: away from the boundary and that would stay. That would
Speaker 2: be a sensible sort of limit on where you could build.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely. So again, you're not crowding things on the properties,
Speaker 3: you're not shoehorning them in, and you're concerned about You've
Speaker 3: got some concern about amenity, but for me, the more importantly,
Speaker 3: you've got concern about fire rating and fire control. The
Speaker 3: last thing we want is building's being built right on
Speaker 3: the boundary with no fire control. They burned down, then
Speaker 3: they catch the next album fire and before you know it,
Speaker 3: it's fire of London.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I look forward to seeing your submission. Maybe you
Speaker 2: chair of this. I think it's great and really appreciate
Speaker 2: your insights, and you know you've been in this game
Speaker 2: for a long long time. And again I mean I'm
Speaker 2: in some ways I'm a little bit surprised that your
Speaker 2: enthusiasm for it. I thought that maybe you would have
Speaker 2: more concerns. But now listening to what you're saying, I
Speaker 2: can see where you're coming from. This is potentially going
Speaker 2: to make a significant difference to housing affordability and housing
Speaker 2: availability as long as we keep those controls around it,
Speaker 2: because we don't want As someone text through to me earlier,
Speaker 2: he's looking at his neighbor who's put two car crates
Speaker 2: down the bit of Corrigo, dying in between and has
Speaker 2: got a family living there. We don't want that.
Speaker 8: Not at all.
Speaker 3: As I said at the start, this is game changer,
Speaker 3: devil's in the detail. Always get it right. This is
Speaker 3: good stuff.
Speaker 2: Much appreciated. Hamish Firth from Mount Hobson Groups, thank you
Speaker 2: very much for your time this morning, all of ust
Speaker 2: you Hamish take care righty oh fascinating insight. Right. You
Speaker 2: can make a submission too, by the way, you just
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Speaker 2: sure they get to hear about it.
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Speaker 2: I only do the spraying when it's good conditions and
Speaker 2: wear a mask. You kind of I kind of learned
Speaker 2: that this week, but I won't go into that. Kath,
Speaker 2: Good morning to you.
Speaker 17: Good morning guys.
Speaker 7: Rude.
Speaker 17: I wonder if you can help me through unexpected circumstances
Speaker 17: we have to move. I would like to take some
Speaker 17: gardenias with me and a lemon tray, and I just
Speaker 17: need to know the process. They were all only planted
Speaker 17: in April.
Speaker 20: I think there should be no problem when you're going very.
Speaker 17: Soonish, yeah, very soonish, within the next four weeks, I
Speaker 17: would think.
Speaker 20: I think this is the best time of the year
Speaker 20: to actually move gardenias and citrus, lemon trees and things
Speaker 20: like that. Right the reason the reason is their dormant.
Speaker 20: So you dig them up with as many roots as
Speaker 20: you can and it goes for both of them, if
Speaker 20: you like. And then if you like, you you, if
Speaker 20: you like, you packed them in an old plastic bag
Speaker 20: or something so that they stay keep moist while you're shifting.
Speaker 17: Right, okay, anyway you go, Thank you very much for that.
Speaker 20: More than welcome. It's really you're really at the best
Speaker 20: time for moving.
Speaker 3: Keith.
Speaker 20: This is great. This is by the way, for anybody
Speaker 20: else listening, this is a good time to change the
Speaker 20: position of plants that you don't like where it is
Speaker 20: it now, So you doing great, all.
Speaker 17: Right, thank you very much.
Speaker 2: Thank you all the best. Actually that's good news for
Speaker 2: me because I had this little camellia that struggled for
Speaker 2: the last couple of years. Just I think I did
Speaker 2: everything right. And we're working in the garden at a
Speaker 2: place that I look after the other day and I said, right,
Speaker 2: let's get it out because it obviously doesn't like where
Speaker 2: it is, and we've moved it a little bit more shade,
Speaker 2: not as much direct sun. Hopefully it'll kickoff. So now's
Speaker 2: the right time to do that sort of work in
Speaker 2: the garden.
Speaker 20: Absolutely, But for a camellia, it would be good to
Speaker 20: depending on where it is. It does need a little
Speaker 20: bit of light, I suppose. I don't know if.
Speaker 2: It'll still get some sunlight. It'll just get a little
Speaker 2: bit more shade in the early morning. Okay, maybe it'll
Speaker 2: just turn up its toast. Maybe it's just a.
Speaker 20: Yeah, maybe it's just well, it didn't even.
Speaker 2: Get a start. It was how he got to about
Speaker 2: bloody not even a meter high. It's just salt. It's
Speaker 2: entire life.
Speaker 20: Yeah, it's what it's It could be a Dutch football
Speaker 20: football sulky.
Speaker 2: Sulky complaining about the referee. Right, oh, Marg, good morning
Speaker 2: to you.
Speaker 19: It's mag.
Speaker 20: It's Mag from Grismond. This is going to be my mag.
Speaker 20: How are you darling?
Speaker 21: It's sword Hill as well.
Speaker 20: I know, I know, but you I think you've been
Speaker 20: one of my most regular callers since.
Speaker 2: Nineteen slower sit.
Speaker 8: Out of the well.
Speaker 17: Used.
Speaker 22: I used to do a tray of eggs and take
Speaker 22: them to everything, and you cannot now get at the
Speaker 22: you can't have get the whole tray or the any
Speaker 22: you can't even get any eggs hole.
Speaker 21: You get the what or the or the everything.
Speaker 20: So well, so tell me what you want to buy
Speaker 20: a tray of eggs and you can't get those engagement
Speaker 20: are you telling me?
Speaker 17: No?
Speaker 21: No, it's nothing to do with where they are, but
Speaker 21: they will not will not stay.
Speaker 22: Whole, and they.
Speaker 21: Just how can I say it to get it right?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 21: Yeah, it used they used to be.
Speaker 22: No, all the white is not in one place, wrong, dad, Everything.
Speaker 20: I don't know make I have no. I am not
Speaker 20: somebody who is really good at eggs. Having said that,
Speaker 20: I did band some birds and birds are known to
Speaker 20: lay eggs, but you know, I don't know about those
Speaker 20: sort of things. To be quite honest, I can't help
Speaker 20: you with that, Mark this time.
Speaker 21: Well, I thought you'd have the answer.
Speaker 20: Well, I sometimes do, but not always. If you know
Speaker 20: what the funny thing is, Pezza is right, you know,
Speaker 20: I'll tell it like it is. If I don't know
Speaker 20: the answer, I'm not, you know, shy to say I
Speaker 20: don't know the answer, simple as that, you know what
Speaker 20: I mean?
Speaker 21: No, no, no, no, it was. It's just that you
Speaker 21: cannot get the whole eggs in all one place, no
Speaker 21: one place, and no it won't do it. So I'm
Speaker 21: not telling you properly.
Speaker 20: But no, no, it's all right. Have you tried having
Speaker 20: a you have you tried having chickens yourself?
Speaker 8: No?
Speaker 5: We didn't do.
Speaker 13: It's good.
Speaker 21: Yeah, but they just will not have the eggs and
Speaker 21: the white and the yoke.
Speaker 20: Yeah, I see what you mean. Okay, No, sorry, you
Speaker 20: need to go to an egg egologist.
Speaker 2: How is it?
Speaker 8: Hey?
Speaker 20: Text for you call? Thanks for your call.
Speaker 2: Mark, I'll get my nephew to give you a call.
Speaker 2: He's got he loves them, righty oh uh let's take
Speaker 2: a short break. Let's do that right now, and then
Speaker 2: we'll be back. We're through it after the break.
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