WEBVTT - The Resident Builder podcast: June 23, 2024

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to the Resident Builder podcast with Peter Wolfcamp

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<v Speaker 1>from News Talk SEDB.

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<v Speaker 2>So anyway, we're going to have a look at that

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit later on in the program. Happy to

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<v Speaker 2>take your calls on it now, but I thought we'd

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<v Speaker 2>reach out to an expert in Hamish Firth who is

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<v Speaker 2>a planner of some experience and note is going to

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<v Speaker 2>join me on the program at around eight point fifteen

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<v Speaker 2>this morning, and we're just going to run through a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of options about what does that actually look like,

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<v Speaker 2>is it likely to actually be introduced into legislation, and

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<v Speaker 2>what are some of the pitfalls? And I've read a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of articles and comment from building and building science

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<v Speaker 2>related speakers and opinion makers around is this actually a

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<v Speaker 2>wise idea? Are people actually going to embrace it? Would

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<v Speaker 2>you give up I guess the security of having a

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<v Speaker 2>building consent for the work that you do for maybe

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<v Speaker 2>the savings of not having one, and people perhaps looking

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<v Speaker 2>at it as gosh, is it up to standard? And

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<v Speaker 2>how do I know that it's up to standard if

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<v Speaker 2>no one's checking it? Well, there are checks and balances.

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<v Speaker 2>So anyway, we're going to have a bit of a

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<v Speaker 2>look at that a little later on in the program.

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<v Speaker 2>But it has been an interesting thing to discuss sort

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<v Speaker 2>within building circles. But more than happy to take your

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<v Speaker 2>calls on that as well, your thoughts around this proposed legislation.

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<v Speaker 2>Could we build up to sixty square meters without necessarily

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<v Speaker 2>requiring a building consent? There are then, after this a

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<v Speaker 2>whole bunch of ifs, butts, and maybe as well, just

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<v Speaker 2>as there are for the expansion and scope of work

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<v Speaker 2>that you could do under Schedule one of the Building Act.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the current legislation in place, and if you were

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<v Speaker 2>a call back. In twenty nineteen, the government made some

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<v Speaker 2>changes to that legislation that allowed buildings, for example, up

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<v Speaker 2>to thirty square meters that were essentially not habitable in

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<v Speaker 2>the sense that they didn't have toilet, showers, plumbing fittings

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<v Speaker 2>in them, they could be built without necessarily requiring a

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<v Speaker 2>building consent. But then once you got past the you

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<v Speaker 2>can build it but and you started to go through

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<v Speaker 2>all the butts, you realized that there was actually not

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<v Speaker 2>that many opportunities for you to build that if you

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<v Speaker 2>were actually going to stay compliant with all of the

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<v Speaker 2>rest of the regulations that relate to building, it does

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<v Speaker 2>get a little bit technical. It is kind of you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's are they are they actually chasing the

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<v Speaker 2>right target here? Would it make a difference to you

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to build sixty square meters without necessarily

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<v Speaker 2>requiring a building consent? Give us a call. Oh, eight

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call

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<v Speaker 2>if you've got building questions, whether you're underway with a project.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe you've discovered something as a place that I look after,

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<v Speaker 2>and we were there during the course of the week

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<v Speaker 2>and suddenly it's like, oh, have you noticed that the

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<v Speaker 2>floorboard here is starting to I don't know what's really

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<v Speaker 2>going on. I just noticed that that. I just put

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<v Speaker 2>it down on my list as fixed floorboard. I haven't

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<v Speaker 2>even had the investigation yet as to why that floorboard

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<v Speaker 2>is suddenly squeaky. Maybe it was put in incorrectly and

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't have any support underneath it. Maybe it's a piece

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<v Speaker 2>of timber that got wet and has started to decay.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's on my list to fix. Actually I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's on tomorrow's list to fix. So if you've got

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<v Speaker 2>a list and you've got things to fix, and who doesn't,

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<v Speaker 2>then eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

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<v Speaker 2>You can text as well, that's nine two nine two

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<v Speaker 2>or ZBZB from your mobile phone if you'd like to

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<v Speaker 2>send me an email, You're more than welcome. It's Pete

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<v Speaker 2>at Newstalk ZB dot co dot nz. So welcome along

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<v Speaker 2>to the show. Looking forward to you call your conversations.

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<v Speaker 2>Got a couple of experts who are going to be

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<v Speaker 2>part of the show a little bit later on. And then,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, as always, we're into the garden with redclined

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<v Speaker 2>passed from around eight point thirty this morning, but right

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<v Speaker 2>now on a kind of wet and slightly miserable old

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<v Speaker 2>morning here in Auckland, it's eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that number to call? Eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

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<v Speaker 2>Plenty of lines right now. We're going to run out

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<v Speaker 2>later on, so now's your chance call us now. Oh

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<v Speaker 2>eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Oh criaky, sorry, I'm looking

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<v Speaker 2>at the text. I'm thinking, oh great, there's a text. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>we can rip into the topics of the morning. What

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<v Speaker 2>are we going to be you know, construction inspection failures?

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<v Speaker 2>What do we need to do? Oh goodie, there's one

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<v Speaker 2>about building consents.

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<v Speaker 3>Up.

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<v Speaker 2>Crikey, Pete, the new song is terrible. Can't even understand

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<v Speaker 2>what she's singing. I like it. I like it anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>Enough on the song right re an upstairs deck? Do

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<v Speaker 2>I need consent to extend a current deck? And the

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<v Speaker 2>cost for that consent? Please from Chris? Yeah, I think

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<v Speaker 2>that you do need a consent. And the main thing

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<v Speaker 2>that triggers that is the height of the work that

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<v Speaker 2>you're proposed to do. So, if it's an upstairs deck,

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<v Speaker 2>that will be obviously above one point five meters from

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<v Speaker 2>the ground level, and anything above that height would need

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<v Speaker 2>a building consent. And think about the logic of it.

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<v Speaker 2>The building consent there is ultimately there to protect safety,

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<v Speaker 2>right or to keep people safe. So if you fell

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<v Speaker 2>from something more than one and a half meters high,

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to hurt. If you fell from let's say

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<v Speaker 2>three meters high, it's very much going to hurt, in

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<v Speaker 2>which case that would trigger the requirement for a building consent.

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<v Speaker 2>The cost for that consent, I really don't know. It

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<v Speaker 2>depends a great deal on where you are in the country.

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<v Speaker 2>I was absolutely shocked the other like, genuinely shocked. The

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<v Speaker 2>other day. I was having a discussion with someone who

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<v Speaker 2>it might have been down at Field Days. So we

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<v Speaker 2>were talking with someone. Oh, that's right. He was a

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<v Speaker 2>builder who'd been working in lives in Toron in the

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<v Speaker 2>Bay of Plenty and had been working there for a while.

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<v Speaker 2>Wasn't on the tools anymore. We were chatting about a

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<v Speaker 2>whole lot of stuff, talking about, you know, the massive

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<v Speaker 2>amount of development that's happening, and Tylrong are talking about

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<v Speaker 2>the controversy about the high rise buildings that they're proposing

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<v Speaker 2>for sort of the CBD inside Tyrong, And then we

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<v Speaker 2>got talking about building consents and he said, look, we

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<v Speaker 2>did a house about five years ago and the building

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<v Speaker 2>consent fees were about twenty two thousand dollars, which is,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's still a fair chunk of cash, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's not unreasonable for the time and if it takes

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<v Speaker 2>to give out a building consent, So we'll give counsel that.

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<v Speaker 2>He said, Now, similar house building consent fees charged by

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<v Speaker 2>Tyrong a city council sixty six thousand dollars for a

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<v Speaker 2>building consent. I mean, hard to justify. I'd love to

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<v Speaker 2>see the breakdown of that. Sixty six thousand dollars for

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<v Speaker 2>a building consent to build. That's our house. That's going

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<v Speaker 2>to cost about eight hundred thousand dollars to build, So

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<v Speaker 2>you know that's high end or higher end, but six

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<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars for a building consent in Tronga for that one.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is you know, from a reliable source. This

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<v Speaker 2>isn't sort of secondhand knowledge and speculation and that sort

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<v Speaker 2>of thing. That strikes me as an extraordinary high amount

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<v Speaker 2>to charge for a building consent. So maybe the government's

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<v Speaker 2>focus on, hey, we'll let you build up to sixty

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<v Speaker 2>square meters without a building consent. Maybe their focus should

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<v Speaker 2>be how do we get counsels to be more efficient

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<v Speaker 2>so that building consents don't cost as much. Maybe that

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<v Speaker 2>should be the focus. You can consult. So if you

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<v Speaker 2>go online, if you go to MBI, dot gov dot

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<v Speaker 2>NZ have your say granny flats, you'll find it there.

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<v Speaker 2>You can put in a submission. Oh, eight hundred eighty

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<v Speaker 2>ten eighty is the number to call. Sorry, the text

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<v Speaker 2>about the song is getting better and better. One last

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<v Speaker 2>text before we take another short break. Love your calls.

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<v Speaker 2>Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Pete.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a steep bank surrounding my property which drops

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<v Speaker 2>onto the road with a footpath. My border is that

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<v Speaker 2>top of the bank, let's say about twelve meters at

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<v Speaker 2>its tallest. The council mows the bank, but it may

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<v Speaker 2>need stabilizing at some stage, which would cost thousands. Is

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<v Speaker 2>the council responsible for this remedial work or am I

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<v Speaker 2>I would have thought, thank you for your texts as well.

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<v Speaker 2>I would have thought that if the bank is public

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<v Speaker 2>property is council land, the bank is their responsibility, and

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<v Speaker 2>that if your border, your boundary of your property is

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<v Speaker 2>at the top of it, and that's impacted by the

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<v Speaker 2>land below falling away, the responsibility to keep that stable,

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<v Speaker 2>to provide stability to your property would lie with counsel

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<v Speaker 2>saying that, and it relates back a little bit to

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<v Speaker 2>a call we had two weeks ago from a gentleman

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<v Speaker 2>who's retaining wall was starting to collapse because it was

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<v Speaker 2>being undermined by movement on the adjacent property and the

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<v Speaker 2>adjacent proper he was owned by the council. That's he's

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<v Speaker 2>now in a battle with council about that. So I

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<v Speaker 2>don't underestimate how difficult it might actually be. Now interesting,

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<v Speaker 2>I made the comment about Tarrong a city council and

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<v Speaker 2>the cost for the building consent being about sixty six

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<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars, does the granny flat rule apply in Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>hang on No, this is another one. That's another text

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<v Speaker 2>that's coming in here we go Pete tarrong. A council

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<v Speaker 2>collect their development contributions differently. The developer doesn't pay them

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<v Speaker 2>on the land. They're collected in the build It's an

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<v Speaker 2>odd way of dealing with them. That's why the council's

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<v Speaker 2>building consent costs are so high. So if you're a

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<v Speaker 2>little unfamiliar with this, there is often if you're doing

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<v Speaker 2>a development, let's say you've got and I'm familiar with

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<v Speaker 2>this a little bit norkland. Let's say where you might

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<v Speaker 2>have a section that's eight hundred square meters and you're

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<v Speaker 2>able to build two houses on that. These days you

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<v Speaker 2>probably build six on there. But let's say can do too,

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<v Speaker 2>So you subdivide a portion of that. You end up

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<v Speaker 2>with a four hundred square meter tight section on its

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<v Speaker 2>own title and council is part of that process of

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<v Speaker 2>creating this new piece of land. Effectively, we'll charge you

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<v Speaker 2>a reserve contribution fee, and that's a fee that goes

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<v Speaker 2>towards theoretically money for public development, so looking at public

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<v Speaker 2>spaces like reserves, etc.

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<v Speaker 4>Etc.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's over and above the building consent fee, so

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<v Speaker 2>it's on the land. So what this texture is suggesting

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<v Speaker 2>is that rather than having a building consent fee, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>a resource consent fee and a reserve contribution fee. In Tolronger,

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<v Speaker 2>they lump it all in together. If someone's got a

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<v Speaker 2>thought on that, you're more than welcome to join us. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call,

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<v Speaker 2>and we'll get to that a little bit. The other

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<v Speaker 2>text around the granny flat rule does it apply to

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<v Speaker 2>rural areas as well as residential zone? If so, I

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<v Speaker 2>plan to use it as soon as I can. We'll

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<v Speaker 2>get into that text in just a moment. Oh wait,

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred and eighty ten eighty people of camp with

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<v Speaker 2>you this morning the resident Builder on Sunday. That's the show,

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<v Speaker 2>and this morning we're talking to Craig. Good morning to you,

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<v Speaker 2>Craig the morning.

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<v Speaker 5>Hey Craig, just on the line, am I.

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<v Speaker 2>You are no macking around this morning? Buddy, no prize, steady.

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<v Speaker 5>On, I've got an antia minor to finish building a

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<v Speaker 5>home and I'm a local buildings in the area and

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<v Speaker 5>she didn't she didn't want need to builders yeap, but

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<v Speaker 5>she seven problems the buildings. So you've got a group

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<v Speaker 5>home to do the home and they are contractor m

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<v Speaker 5>hm and so once the now after code of compliance

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<v Speaker 5>and won not through his home. They need record of

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<v Speaker 5>works from them, yep. They need all the paperworking on

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<v Speaker 5>what it is. And yeah, the group home company doesn't

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<v Speaker 5>want anything to do with it. I suggested to her

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<v Speaker 5>to go to the UH the l b P complaints

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<v Speaker 5>to do that and Council Owe to suggested to pay

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<v Speaker 5>some money in and get an extension until it's resolved.

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<v Speaker 5>But the builder there was no animosity with the builder.

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<v Speaker 5>The buildings complete, there's nothing wrong with it. Yeah, absolutely fine,

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<v Speaker 5>but they just won't do the paperwork. What what what

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<v Speaker 5>can she do?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Okay, So, just to be absolutely clear, your auntie

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<v Speaker 2>had signed a contract with a group home builder to

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<v Speaker 2>build the house. And it's not unusual. In fact, it's

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<v Speaker 2>more typical that group home builders will typically use contractors

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<v Speaker 2>to do the work, right, they don't often employ their

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<v Speaker 2>own builders.

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<v Speaker 5>So this is names on the contract.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Okay, So his name's on the contract and he

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<v Speaker 2>is a licensed building practitioner yep, and he is now

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<v Speaker 2>refusing to issue a record of works for his work.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, ultimately, I think you know, your auntie shouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>be chasing him as the LBP. She should just be

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<v Speaker 2>chasing the group home builder and the group home builder

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<v Speaker 2>who has signed a contract with your auntie, they are

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<v Speaker 2>responsible in terms of the contract to deliver the house

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<v Speaker 2>with a CCC I presume or was that not part

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<v Speaker 2>of the contract.

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<v Speaker 5>No, it wasn't. So they went through a group home

0:14:05.855 --> 0:14:13.655
<v Speaker 5>and they got the contractor but his names are on

0:14:13.695 --> 0:14:15.455
<v Speaker 5>the contract, are not theirs?

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<v Speaker 2>Right? So why would you go to a group home builder?

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<v Speaker 2>Then what's the advantage?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>I would still be highly critical of the group home

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<v Speaker 2>builder for sort of leaving her in the lurch like that,

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<v Speaker 2>and i'd push pretty hard on the group homebuilder. But

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<v Speaker 2>I would also remind the LBP that they must issue one.

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<v Speaker 2>It's law, right, they don't, they don't get a choice.

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<v Speaker 2>They must do it, and they must do it as

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<v Speaker 2>soon as the work is completed.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, this is exactly what I was under it this minute.

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<v Speaker 6>One.

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<v Speaker 5>You've said over the years with your program that sometimes

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<v Speaker 5>a little bit slack. It's like reviewing your license in

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<v Speaker 5>the last minute, and I'm exactly the same. But when

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<v Speaker 5>it comes to this type of thing notes probably every

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<v Speaker 5>week I've had I've got my record of work, diary

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<v Speaker 5>papers and everything there, which I fill out when jobs

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<v Speaker 5>are complete and ye good rush at the end.

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<v Speaker 4>Of the job.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, look, I think you know obviously the LBP is

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<v Speaker 2>still on the register as in the licenses current. I

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<v Speaker 2>would check that. You can check that in about one

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<v Speaker 2>and a half minutes right now, and then i'd be

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<v Speaker 2>on the phone tomorrow. Or there must be an email

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<v Speaker 2>address or something like that. So does he have a

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<v Speaker 2>record somewhere where he's actually working, like an office or

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<v Speaker 2>a warehouse or something like that.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm not too sure about that, but I have tried.

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<v Speaker 5>I've looked up on there. You know, he's all current complaints.

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<v Speaker 5>I've had a look at it all for I've tried ringing.

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<v Speaker 5>But also she doesn't want me to be the meeting

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<v Speaker 5>the sandwich.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, look, I think that I would probably try

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<v Speaker 2>again tomorrow phoning out of courtesy and emailing, and then

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<v Speaker 2>I would be on the phone to the Licensed Building

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<v Speaker 2>Practitioner Board immediately to say hey, and then I would

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<v Speaker 2>probably go to council and say, look, this is where

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<v Speaker 2>I'm at, right, I just happened to be dealing with

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<v Speaker 2>a rogue LBP who won't supply me with a document.

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<v Speaker 2>While I'm sorting that out, can we please allow for

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<v Speaker 2>an extension of the building consent. Probably doesn't need to

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<v Speaker 2>apply for an extension to the building consent right now,

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<v Speaker 2>does she? When was the final inspection done?

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<v Speaker 5>The final was done about four months ago.

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<v Speaker 7>I suppose.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, well, been going on for about three years.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but the fact that the final inspection was done,

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<v Speaker 2>that's your last inspection, right. So you would typically have

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<v Speaker 2>a year to submit your CCC. So I would call

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<v Speaker 2>counsel as a courtesy or and follow it up with

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<v Speaker 2>an email so you got something on record. But go

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<v Speaker 2>to the LBP and then go straight to the disciplinary board.

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<v Speaker 2>And the other thing that I think is really important,

0:17:12.295 --> 0:17:14.255
<v Speaker 2>it's going to be quite a game changer, is the

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<v Speaker 2>disciplinary board now can take complaints about ethics right and

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<v Speaker 2>professional behavior. So I think a lot of lbps have

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<v Speaker 2>forgotten the fact that there is now a code of ethics.

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<v Speaker 2>And part of that is that you have to communicate

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<v Speaker 2>that you have to act responsibly, that you have to

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<v Speaker 2>be prompt right. So, and because his work isn't being

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<v Speaker 2>called into question in terms of the actual physical work

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<v Speaker 2>that he's done. I think I've always felt that probably

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<v Speaker 2>seventy five percent of people's complaints about licensed building practitioners

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<v Speaker 2>are probably about the way that they behaved rather than

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<v Speaker 2>what they actually built. And in this case, it's going

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<v Speaker 2>to open up a lot more grounds for people to

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<v Speaker 2>challenge the behavior and the professionalism and the ethics of lbps.

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<v Speaker 2>And I actually think that's not a bad thing at all.

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<v Speaker 2>So I suspect this guy's going to end up in

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<v Speaker 2>front of the disciplinary committee and they're probably going to

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<v Speaker 2>find that he has breached his terms and conditions I

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<v Speaker 2>suppose of his being an LBP, and he'll get fined.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, yeah, No. I read about it in the

0:18:28.975 --> 0:18:32.975
<v Speaker 5>build magazines and Code and when it came up and

0:18:32.975 --> 0:18:35.095
<v Speaker 5>I thought, oh, what a lot of pilarva. But actually,

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<v Speaker 5>when I started reading into it properly, you agree with it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, Look, I've done a number of sort of

0:18:41.935 --> 0:18:45.975
<v Speaker 2>presentations on it and had a look through at the

0:18:46.415 --> 0:18:50.215
<v Speaker 2>four main points nineteen sub sections in it. They're pretty good.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a couple of things that could be quite challenging

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of health and safety that I've wondered how

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<v Speaker 2>they would work practically in terms of being an LBP

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<v Speaker 2>and complying with the code of ethics. But look, in

0:19:01.175 --> 0:19:03.015
<v Speaker 2>general it's good. But look to get back to the

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<v Speaker 2>to the focus, I think, you know, I would give

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<v Speaker 2>the person one chance. If he happens to be listening

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<v Speaker 2>to the show and he kind of understands where the

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<v Speaker 2>place is, then I'd suggest be wise and sit down

0:19:15.215 --> 0:19:17.055
<v Speaker 2>and write out that record of works, because you have

0:19:17.135 --> 0:19:20.295
<v Speaker 2>to do it. And there is nothing there is nothing

0:19:20.655 --> 0:19:23.495
<v Speaker 2>that I've seen or read that says, oh, you don't

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<v Speaker 2>have to do it because you didn't feel like it

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<v Speaker 2>or you didn't get paid. And I know I know

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<v Speaker 2>of an LBP who knew that he wasn't going to

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<v Speaker 2>get paid and decided that he wouldn't issue a record

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<v Speaker 2>of works and it went to the disciplinary body and

0:19:36.215 --> 0:19:40.615
<v Speaker 2>he got fine two thousand dollars for doing that, and

0:19:40.775 --> 0:19:43.215
<v Speaker 2>the amount that he was waiting for was two thousand dollars,

0:19:43.255 --> 0:19:45.655
<v Speaker 2>so he ended up I think being four thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 2>in the whole. He didn't get paid and he got fine.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, word to the wise. Oh hey, nice

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<v Speaker 2>to chat and good on you for looking after your auntie. Thanks,

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<v Speaker 2>take care, Craig. See then take care by by oh eight,

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

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<v Speaker 2>A couple of months ago, part of the conversation i'll

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<v Speaker 2>this program was someone who said, look, I got a

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<v Speaker 2>letter from council that after the final inspection, I had

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<v Speaker 2>sixty days to submit my application for a CCC for

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<v Speaker 2>a Code Compliance Certificate, and I wanted to see evidence

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<v Speaker 2>of that. I haven't actually ever seen evidence of that.

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<v Speaker 2>And I went home and I did a bit of reading,

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<v Speaker 2>and from what I can see, you as as a homeowner,

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<v Speaker 2>after the final inspection, you must submit your CCC within

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<v Speaker 2>twelve months. And what happens then is if you don't

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<v Speaker 2>submit for a CCC within twelve months, the final inspection

0:20:46.735 --> 0:20:49.695
<v Speaker 2>is kind of declared and valid, and in order for

0:20:49.695 --> 0:20:52.815
<v Speaker 2>you to submit a CCC after twelve months, you have

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<v Speaker 2>to get a new final inspection done, which opens up

0:20:56.935 --> 0:21:01.215
<v Speaker 2>a whole other can of worms potentially. So, but I

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<v Speaker 2>haven't found anything in any of the legislation that I've

0:21:05.295 --> 0:21:08.015
<v Speaker 2>reads that I've read that says you have to do

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<v Speaker 2>it within sixty days, and yet this was sort of

0:21:09.975 --> 0:21:14.215
<v Speaker 2>an official document from a council saying you have to

0:21:14.215 --> 0:21:16.375
<v Speaker 2>do it within sixty days. So if you've seen one

0:21:16.415 --> 0:21:19.335
<v Speaker 2>of those, or if you've had that email, if you could,

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<v Speaker 2>I would love it if you forwarded it on to me.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd like to see that. Pete ATNEWSTALKZB dot co dot

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<v Speaker 2>nz is the email address. Oh eight one hundred eighty

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<v Speaker 2>ten eighty is the telephone number you can call us

0:21:30.575 --> 0:21:33.255
<v Speaker 2>right now. Lines are open. We're going to have a

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<v Speaker 2>busy show a little bit later on. We've got a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of experts joining us to talk about compliance in

0:21:39.015 --> 0:21:42.095
<v Speaker 2>terms of H one and the building code and changes

0:21:42.175 --> 0:21:45.055
<v Speaker 2>to thermal efficiency. That's what H one is all about.

0:21:45.735 --> 0:21:48.895
<v Speaker 2>We'll be talking with Nick Cardy Jones from Metro Performance

0:21:48.895 --> 0:21:53.095
<v Speaker 2>Glass around double glazing and its role in that compliance,

0:21:53.135 --> 0:21:56.495
<v Speaker 2>which if you've submitted a building consent after the first

0:21:56.495 --> 0:21:59.375
<v Speaker 2>of November last year, you will need to comply with

0:21:59.455 --> 0:22:03.415
<v Speaker 2>these new regulations around H one. And then we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to get Hamish Firth regular planning expert to join us

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<v Speaker 2>on the program at around eight to fifteen as well

0:22:11.135 --> 0:22:14.095
<v Speaker 2>to talk about this granny flat rule and what it

0:22:14.215 --> 0:22:17.095
<v Speaker 2>might actually mean and what you might actually be able

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<v Speaker 2>to build. So we'll talk about that at around eight fifteen.

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<v Speaker 2>But we're talking to you and the number to call

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<v Speaker 2>is eight hundred and eighty ten eighty pack in a mo.

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<v Speaker 2>We're getting a couple of texts in around the whole

0:22:29.975 --> 0:22:33.175
<v Speaker 2>granny flat thing. I'm happy to take some calls on it.

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<v Speaker 2>So cast your mind back to the beginning of the week,

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<v Speaker 2>and the government made some announcements around the beginning of

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<v Speaker 2>a consultation period. So I'm reading this from the website.

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<v Speaker 2>So this from the MBI website. The government is focused

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<v Speaker 2>on increasing the supply of affordable homes for New Zelanders.

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<v Speaker 2>As part of this, the government is proposing to make

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<v Speaker 2>it easier to build small, self contained and detached houses

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<v Speaker 2>commonly known as granny flats, on property with an existing

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<v Speaker 2>home on it. We are seeking feedback on options to

0:23:05.895 --> 0:23:08.455
<v Speaker 2>enable granny flats of up to sixty square meters in

0:23:08.575 --> 0:23:12.695
<v Speaker 2>size to be built without needing a building or resource consent,

0:23:13.135 --> 0:23:17.335
<v Speaker 2>so long as they meet certain criteria. The criteria granity

0:23:17.375 --> 0:23:20.255
<v Speaker 2>flats must meet under the proposed exemption will form the

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<v Speaker 2>checks and balances required to ensure that they meet building

0:23:23.375 --> 0:23:29.415
<v Speaker 2>performance and quality requirements and appropriately manage environmental impacts. Finding

0:23:29.455 --> 0:23:33.215
<v Speaker 2>the balance between speed, safety and risk to ensure that

0:23:33.215 --> 0:23:36.495
<v Speaker 2>New Zealanders have safe, healthy and durable homes built as

0:23:36.535 --> 0:23:39.295
<v Speaker 2>quickly as possible is important. This is why we want

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<v Speaker 2>to understand all the perspectives on potential costs, benefits and

0:23:43.535 --> 0:23:47.215
<v Speaker 2>risks for the criteria we are proposing that granny flats

0:23:47.255 --> 0:23:51.135
<v Speaker 2>and small homes will need to meet. So that's what

0:23:51.175 --> 0:23:55.375
<v Speaker 2>the consultation is, and it's going to be pretty quick.

0:23:55.655 --> 0:23:58.575
<v Speaker 2>I think like within the next you've got a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit of time to submit your discussion or your thoughts

0:24:04.015 --> 0:24:07.255
<v Speaker 2>on that. Then it goes on to talk about the

0:24:07.335 --> 0:24:09.735
<v Speaker 2>Building Act. So one of the things here a text

0:24:09.735 --> 0:24:11.855
<v Speaker 2>that came through was, hey, I heard this week that

0:24:11.895 --> 0:24:14.535
<v Speaker 2>allowing these granny flats will help fix the rental crisis.

0:24:14.575 --> 0:24:17.415
<v Speaker 2>Does that mean that these granny flats can have separate power,

0:24:17.615 --> 0:24:21.015
<v Speaker 2>water meter connections and a mail box and rubbish collection,

0:24:21.135 --> 0:24:24.255
<v Speaker 2>even a proper oven. If so, then yes, many investors

0:24:24.255 --> 0:24:27.375
<v Speaker 2>were treated as a game changer to help provide another

0:24:27.535 --> 0:24:31.455
<v Speaker 2>rental property on the one title. Thanks from Tim, I

0:24:31.535 --> 0:24:33.975
<v Speaker 2>suspect that most of the things that you're talking about

0:24:33.975 --> 0:24:37.335
<v Speaker 2>there would not actually apply to these types of dwellings,

0:24:37.375 --> 0:24:42.615
<v Speaker 2>as in would it have separate power, Probably not, as

0:24:42.655 --> 0:24:47.055
<v Speaker 2>in its own meter. Probably not. Separate water meter. Well,

0:24:47.095 --> 0:24:50.455
<v Speaker 2>you'd have to go to council and or council owned

0:24:50.815 --> 0:24:55.535
<v Speaker 2>businesses like Watercare in Auckland and apply for one. In

0:24:55.735 --> 0:24:58.855
<v Speaker 2>A new water meter in Auckland costs about seventeen thousand

0:24:58.895 --> 0:25:01.655
<v Speaker 2>dollars I think at the moment, and a mailbox will

0:25:01.655 --> 0:25:05.455
<v Speaker 2>know because it won't have its own title and its

0:25:05.495 --> 0:25:08.335
<v Speaker 2>own rubbish collect That's a very good point. Could you

0:25:08.375 --> 0:25:11.815
<v Speaker 2>ask for an additional bin, Yeah, you probably could, but

0:25:11.815 --> 0:25:14.135
<v Speaker 2>I would imagine you've got to pay for that as well.

0:25:16.615 --> 0:25:19.295
<v Speaker 2>And a proper oven. Yes. It seems that these are

0:25:19.375 --> 0:25:23.815
<v Speaker 2>designed to be completely self contained. So, for example, the

0:25:24.455 --> 0:25:27.615
<v Speaker 2>change in legislation from ten square meters to thirty square

0:25:27.615 --> 0:25:31.415
<v Speaker 2>meters for a sleepout, one of the ifs and butts

0:25:31.815 --> 0:25:35.535
<v Speaker 2>in that legislation is that whoever was in that unit

0:25:35.655 --> 0:25:39.175
<v Speaker 2>had to have access to the house because you weren't

0:25:39.295 --> 0:25:42.815
<v Speaker 2>legally allowed to include a toilet or a shower i e.

0:25:43.055 --> 0:25:47.375
<v Speaker 2>Sanitary fittings into those up to thirty square meter buildings.

0:25:47.655 --> 0:25:51.055
<v Speaker 2>So the person who was inhabiting that space you could

0:25:51.095 --> 0:25:53.255
<v Speaker 2>sleep in it. You could be in it during the day,

0:25:53.495 --> 0:25:55.535
<v Speaker 2>but you had to have access to the main house,

0:25:55.575 --> 0:25:58.655
<v Speaker 2>whereas this would be something that would be self contained

0:25:58.695 --> 0:26:01.935
<v Speaker 2>in the sense that you could cook and wash in

0:26:01.975 --> 0:26:04.455
<v Speaker 2>that building. Would it have its own water meter, No,

0:26:04.575 --> 0:26:06.975
<v Speaker 2>I don't think so. I think you'd be running a

0:26:07.055 --> 0:26:10.815
<v Speaker 2>line from the existing feed out to that dwelling, so

0:26:10.935 --> 0:26:12.895
<v Speaker 2>all of the rates would still be paid, or the

0:26:12.895 --> 0:26:16.375
<v Speaker 2>water fee would still be paid by the occupants of

0:26:16.415 --> 0:26:20.735
<v Speaker 2>the main house. It does get complicated, and this is

0:26:20.735 --> 0:26:24.535
<v Speaker 2>where the consultation will be really interesting to watch because

0:26:24.655 --> 0:26:27.215
<v Speaker 2>I think there's a lot more fishooks in this than

0:26:27.375 --> 0:26:29.855
<v Speaker 2>it would seem when you look at it at first glance.

0:26:29.895 --> 0:26:31.815
<v Speaker 2>Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to

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<v Speaker 2>call someone just text through as well, and I'd love

0:26:35.415 --> 0:26:37.975
<v Speaker 2>more detail on this. To be fair, Craig, morning Peak

0:26:38.535 --> 0:26:43.575
<v Speaker 2>Council can't not issue CCC if a record of works

0:26:43.655 --> 0:26:51.615
<v Speaker 2>is not supplied, and that runs counter to everything that

0:26:51.695 --> 0:26:55.175
<v Speaker 2>I understand about CCC. To be fair, Craig, if you're

0:26:55.215 --> 0:26:57.895
<v Speaker 2>missing documentation, if you don't have let's say a record

0:26:57.935 --> 0:27:01.135
<v Speaker 2>of works from the LBP who did the structure of

0:27:01.175 --> 0:27:03.815
<v Speaker 2>the building, then I would have thought Counsel in no

0:27:03.935 --> 0:27:07.655
<v Speaker 2>way would issue a CCC. They just say, I need

0:27:07.735 --> 0:27:10.135
<v Speaker 2>we need the record of works for that work in

0:27:10.255 --> 0:27:13.055
<v Speaker 2>order for us to issue a CCC. And it's your

0:27:13.095 --> 0:27:15.775
<v Speaker 2>problem if you can't get that from the LBP that

0:27:15.775 --> 0:27:18.335
<v Speaker 2>did the work. So if you've got more detail on that,

0:27:18.335 --> 0:27:20.215
<v Speaker 2>I'd love to hear from you. Oh, eight hundred eighty

0:27:20.255 --> 0:27:22.815
<v Speaker 2>ten eighty is the number. And I'm not here to

0:27:22.815 --> 0:27:25.175
<v Speaker 2>slang off at Toyrong a city council, by the way,

0:27:26.295 --> 0:27:28.735
<v Speaker 2>and I understand that perhaps the way that they gather

0:27:28.855 --> 0:27:31.775
<v Speaker 2>their revenue around reserve contribution fee and so on might

0:27:31.815 --> 0:27:33.975
<v Speaker 2>be different to other councils, and that's why it might

0:27:34.015 --> 0:27:36.415
<v Speaker 2>be the figures are higher. But I love this text

0:27:36.415 --> 0:27:39.815
<v Speaker 2>as well. A building permit and Toyrong the City Council

0:27:39.895 --> 0:27:42.615
<v Speaker 2>was forty seven thousand dollars a while back across the

0:27:42.615 --> 0:27:45.775
<v Speaker 2>city boundary to the Western Bay District Council and the

0:27:45.815 --> 0:27:50.015
<v Speaker 2>cost was seven thousand dollars. We'll take your calls on that.

0:27:50.175 --> 0:27:52.135
<v Speaker 2>Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call

0:27:52.295 --> 0:27:54.535
<v Speaker 2>if you've got a project that's underweight and you're needing

0:27:54.575 --> 0:27:56.135
<v Speaker 2>a little bit of help, for a bit of advice

0:27:56.255 --> 0:27:59.895
<v Speaker 2>or wondering about particular products to buy. Then it's eight

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<v Speaker 2>hundred eighty ten eighty will come back after the break

0:28:06.335 --> 0:28:09.855
<v Speaker 2>US TALKSB. It is six forty six here at News

0:28:09.895 --> 0:28:12.495
<v Speaker 2>Talks D probably six forty six all around the country

0:28:12.535 --> 0:28:16.415
<v Speaker 2>as it happens. Can I also, just before I talk

0:28:16.495 --> 0:28:21.015
<v Speaker 2>to Pete, praise we're praise as due in my street

0:28:21.095 --> 0:28:23.495
<v Speaker 2>and some adjoining streets. We had to notice a couple

0:28:23.535 --> 0:28:26.695
<v Speaker 2>of weeks ago saying that Victor are going to be

0:28:26.735 --> 0:28:29.975
<v Speaker 2>doing some work on the overhead power lines and the

0:28:30.015 --> 0:28:34.615
<v Speaker 2>poles that support those, and that there was going to

0:28:34.615 --> 0:28:37.415
<v Speaker 2>be some disruption to power supply. Ie your powers going

0:28:37.415 --> 0:28:40.055
<v Speaker 2>off at eight thirty in the morning, it's likely to

0:28:40.055 --> 0:28:42.215
<v Speaker 2>be off until six o'clock at night. It's going to

0:28:42.255 --> 0:28:47.055
<v Speaker 2>happen on a Saturday, which was kind of a little

0:28:47.095 --> 0:28:49.975
<v Speaker 2>bit odd really, but anyway, it was going to be

0:28:49.975 --> 0:28:52.735
<v Speaker 2>a Saturday. It happened to be yesterday. So bang on

0:28:52.815 --> 0:28:56.135
<v Speaker 2>eight thirty house was plunged into darkness. I've just got

0:28:56.135 --> 0:29:01.135
<v Speaker 2>out of the shower and the trucks turned up. They

0:29:01.295 --> 0:29:03.815
<v Speaker 2>all down our street, around the corner, around the other street.

0:29:04.335 --> 0:29:09.615
<v Speaker 2>Multiple crewis climbing up or being elevated up into the

0:29:10.375 --> 0:29:14.415
<v Speaker 2>power poles down the street, taking off the old timber

0:29:14.975 --> 0:29:20.175
<v Speaker 2>crossbars and replacing those, and replacing the isolators and tidying

0:29:20.215 --> 0:29:22.615
<v Speaker 2>up all the overhead lines and so on. A lot

0:29:22.655 --> 0:29:27.295
<v Speaker 2>of people, I mean, like multiple trucks, multiple crews, obviously,

0:29:27.335 --> 0:29:29.535
<v Speaker 2>lots and lots of traffic control, which meant the street

0:29:29.575 --> 0:29:31.575
<v Speaker 2>was down to one lane, etc. We went out for

0:29:31.655 --> 0:29:34.655
<v Speaker 2>most of the day, came back to find a couple

0:29:34.695 --> 0:29:38.695
<v Speaker 2>of guys just testing or the meterboard at the front

0:29:38.695 --> 0:29:40.895
<v Speaker 2>of the house and the powers back on. That was

0:29:40.895 --> 0:29:43.215
<v Speaker 2>five o'clock in the afternoon when we got home. But

0:29:43.335 --> 0:29:47.295
<v Speaker 2>I actually thought looking at them working, it was poetry

0:29:47.295 --> 0:29:51.295
<v Speaker 2>in motion. It was beautiful to watch. And yes, there's disruption,

0:29:51.655 --> 0:29:54.015
<v Speaker 2>and that's a bit of a pain in the backside

0:29:54.015 --> 0:29:56.655
<v Speaker 2>and all the rest of it, but it's work that

0:29:56.775 --> 0:29:59.055
<v Speaker 2>needs to be done in order for the system to

0:29:59.135 --> 0:30:04.055
<v Speaker 2>operate and to be more resilient and reliable. And I

0:30:04.095 --> 0:30:07.015
<v Speaker 2>thought they did an excellent job. So again, I know

0:30:07.055 --> 0:30:09.655
<v Speaker 2>it's disruptive and it's a bit of a pain, but

0:30:09.735 --> 0:30:13.055
<v Speaker 2>I thought that in this instant infected an outstanding job

0:30:13.215 --> 0:30:16.735
<v Speaker 2>with their coordination for that little project in Devenport yesterday,

0:30:16.855 --> 0:30:22.095
<v Speaker 2>Pete good A Hello, Petey, Oh, why is this not

0:30:22.695 --> 0:30:25.935
<v Speaker 2>there's something wrong with my fingers. I've decided hang on,

0:30:26.135 --> 0:30:28.135
<v Speaker 2>hang on, hang on out. Let's get this sorted out. Pete,

0:30:28.215 --> 0:30:28.695
<v Speaker 2>go for it.

0:30:29.815 --> 0:30:30.255
<v Speaker 5>You got me?

0:30:30.295 --> 0:30:32.655
<v Speaker 2>Now I do I do? Your finger doesn't work a

0:30:32.655 --> 0:30:33.175
<v Speaker 2>lot of screen.

0:30:34.255 --> 0:30:34.415
<v Speaker 8>Now.

0:30:34.415 --> 0:30:37.495
<v Speaker 9>Look, I'm down in the west western Bay of Plenty

0:30:37.535 --> 0:30:40.495
<v Speaker 9>where it's bucketing down at the moment. But just over

0:30:40.535 --> 0:30:44.535
<v Speaker 9>twenty years ago I got a new house built and

0:30:44.575 --> 0:30:50.335
<v Speaker 9>I incorporated a grannie flat into that house. And now

0:30:50.695 --> 0:30:53.695
<v Speaker 9>a couple of things at that start that we were

0:30:53.735 --> 0:30:58.455
<v Speaker 9>limited to fifty square meters, yes, but my grannie flat

0:30:58.575 --> 0:31:05.055
<v Speaker 9>that I had to fireproof into tenancy walls and it

0:31:05.095 --> 0:31:11.815
<v Speaker 9>has its own power. It we share the rubbish. It

0:31:11.855 --> 0:31:17.615
<v Speaker 9>doesn't include the water, and it's we put a letter

0:31:17.655 --> 0:31:22.975
<v Speaker 9>box out and it works. I don't know the legality

0:31:21.735 --> 0:31:26.735
<v Speaker 9>that gave it a letter. And now the interesting thing

0:31:27.015 --> 0:31:29.415
<v Speaker 9>with the water is that the council at the time,

0:31:29.895 --> 0:31:31.535
<v Speaker 9>well I used to get it in the rates for

0:31:31.615 --> 0:31:34.415
<v Speaker 9>the water and they called it a pan tax to

0:31:34.455 --> 0:31:39.535
<v Speaker 9>do with the toilet. And interesting thing is that we

0:31:39.695 --> 0:31:42.575
<v Speaker 9>never had meters over twenty years ago, but when they

0:31:42.615 --> 0:31:46.375
<v Speaker 9>brought in water meters because because you see the council claimed, oh,

0:31:46.415 --> 0:31:50.615
<v Speaker 9>you'll be using more water to flush the toilets, you see. Anyway,

0:31:51.295 --> 0:31:53.815
<v Speaker 9>when they brought in the water meters, it was then

0:31:53.935 --> 0:31:57.375
<v Speaker 9>challenged and the council had to back down because they

0:31:57.375 --> 0:32:00.815
<v Speaker 9>had they agreed that now they would be able to

0:32:00.855 --> 0:32:03.415
<v Speaker 9>see if there was more water used. So we actually

0:32:03.415 --> 0:32:08.255
<v Speaker 9>got a refund on that, and I think that doesn't

0:32:08.255 --> 0:32:14.055
<v Speaker 9>happen now. But I note that the new granny flats

0:32:14.655 --> 0:32:19.215
<v Speaker 9>can go up to sixty square meters, which I actually

0:32:19.535 --> 0:32:22.855
<v Speaker 9>fifty square meters seem to work fine, but sixty is

0:32:22.895 --> 0:32:27.735
<v Speaker 9>a little bit better. But it's all legal, it's all consented,

0:32:27.895 --> 0:32:31.095
<v Speaker 9>co compliance certificate and everything, and it's been quite an

0:32:31.095 --> 0:32:31.735
<v Speaker 9>asset for me.

0:32:32.855 --> 0:32:35.815
<v Speaker 2>Look, I think that you've got some tremendous foresight to

0:32:35.895 --> 0:32:38.775
<v Speaker 2>have done that while you were building. And interesting, I

0:32:38.815 --> 0:32:42.015
<v Speaker 2>heard an ad the other day for like a large

0:32:42.015 --> 0:32:45.255
<v Speaker 2>group home builder talking about one of their new style

0:32:45.295 --> 0:32:50.615
<v Speaker 2>of houses which actually included effectively two houses in one

0:32:51.095 --> 0:32:55.135
<v Speaker 2>plus a granny flat, so you know, right from the

0:32:55.175 --> 0:32:57.175
<v Speaker 2>get go they're going, actually, what we're going to do

0:32:57.295 --> 0:33:01.495
<v Speaker 2>is this, you know, maybe a three story development with

0:33:01.615 --> 0:33:07.535
<v Speaker 2>two attached townhouses and then an other develop all part

0:33:07.575 --> 0:33:09.415
<v Speaker 2>of it. So you ended up with you could buy

0:33:09.495 --> 0:33:12.375
<v Speaker 2>effectively two houses in a granny flat. Now, whether that's

0:33:12.535 --> 0:33:15.495
<v Speaker 2>extended family, which is awesome, because there's this thing now

0:33:15.575 --> 0:33:18.335
<v Speaker 2>with sometimes with apartments, where you can buy an apartment

0:33:18.375 --> 0:33:21.015
<v Speaker 2>which is actually two apartments. It has one front door

0:33:21.335 --> 0:33:22.935
<v Speaker 2>and then you go into a lobby and then there's

0:33:22.935 --> 0:33:25.695
<v Speaker 2>two doors, and you can either have the whole thing together,

0:33:26.735 --> 0:33:29.495
<v Speaker 2>or you could buy it and then have one as

0:33:29.535 --> 0:33:33.735
<v Speaker 2>a potential rental income or as housing for maybe you know,

0:33:33.895 --> 0:33:37.655
<v Speaker 2>older family members, independent children, that sort of thing. So

0:33:38.295 --> 0:33:40.935
<v Speaker 2>I think what I like about all of these discussions

0:33:40.975 --> 0:33:46.255
<v Speaker 2>around what we build sort of is about recognizing that

0:33:46.815 --> 0:33:50.855
<v Speaker 2>houses are not one dimensional, there's not always just one purpose.

0:33:51.055 --> 0:33:53.815
<v Speaker 2>In terms of our focus has very much been on

0:33:54.055 --> 0:33:56.615
<v Speaker 2>we're going to build a house for a family, and

0:33:57.455 --> 0:33:59.695
<v Speaker 2>as if a family mum, dad, and a couple of

0:33:59.735 --> 0:34:02.575
<v Speaker 2>kids is the only way we live. But the reality

0:34:02.615 --> 0:34:05.895
<v Speaker 2>t is we don't live like that, and the number

0:34:05.935 --> 0:34:10.015
<v Speaker 2>of groups that are actually that traditional sort of model

0:34:10.255 --> 0:34:15.855
<v Speaker 2>is diminishing arguably, And so I think this kind of

0:34:15.935 --> 0:34:18.975
<v Speaker 2>widening the scope of what we're building and for whom

0:34:19.015 --> 0:34:21.415
<v Speaker 2>we might be building. So it might be you might

0:34:21.455 --> 0:34:23.815
<v Speaker 2>have a family group, but they might have older parents.

0:34:23.895 --> 0:34:27.375
<v Speaker 2>They might be a family group with an independent teenager

0:34:27.495 --> 0:34:29.695
<v Speaker 2>or a person in their twenties who wants to stay

0:34:29.695 --> 0:34:32.815
<v Speaker 2>at home, or they might like you thinking ahead, thinking well, actually,

0:34:32.855 --> 0:34:34.855
<v Speaker 2>if I build something I put in a granny flat

0:34:34.895 --> 0:34:37.615
<v Speaker 2>and I get it compliant from the day one, then

0:34:37.655 --> 0:34:43.175
<v Speaker 2>I've got an income stream. Fantastic. It's awesome, it's awesome.

0:34:43.175 --> 0:34:46.055
<v Speaker 2>You're obviously well ahead of your time, Peter, Ah.

0:34:46.095 --> 0:34:49.855
<v Speaker 9>Well, the other I mean, I can say of twenty years,

0:34:50.495 --> 0:34:55.415
<v Speaker 9>I've hardly gone without a tenant, someone in there. And

0:34:55.615 --> 0:34:58.455
<v Speaker 9>maybe in my retire I've always had long term tenants

0:34:58.735 --> 0:35:04.455
<v Speaker 9>and if I'm away coming and going to the property.

0:35:04.215 --> 0:35:07.455
<v Speaker 9>And the other thing it does open it off up too,

0:35:07.775 --> 0:35:11.455
<v Speaker 9>is that when I retire from my job, I could

0:35:11.535 --> 0:35:15.935
<v Speaker 9>actually have short term tenants as in like Airbnb type

0:35:15.935 --> 0:35:19.975
<v Speaker 9>stuff and a little bit extra work and probably a

0:35:19.975 --> 0:35:23.135
<v Speaker 9>little bit better return. But no, it's it's worked. But

0:35:23.215 --> 0:35:27.175
<v Speaker 9>I mean, I think the new thing here is, and

0:35:27.255 --> 0:35:31.695
<v Speaker 9>I haven't looked into this is around the consenting. Mine

0:35:31.815 --> 0:35:37.415
<v Speaker 9>was just included in my prisful building consent. But it

0:35:37.535 --> 0:35:40.495
<v Speaker 9>seems to me that people with maybe I think some

0:35:40.535 --> 0:35:43.855
<v Speaker 9>properties would lend themselves very well to doing something like this,

0:35:43.935 --> 0:35:47.215
<v Speaker 9>and some could create some complications. If you think you

0:35:47.335 --> 0:35:49.575
<v Speaker 9>put something out in your backyard and then someone's got

0:35:49.575 --> 0:35:51.575
<v Speaker 9>to walk all the way down the side of the

0:35:51.615 --> 0:35:55.455
<v Speaker 9>house to get to it, that could seem quite problematic.

0:35:55.495 --> 0:36:00.215
<v Speaker 9>But anyway, that's it's it's worked for me, and they

0:36:00.295 --> 0:36:03.495
<v Speaker 9>have sort of been around in one form or another.

0:36:03.535 --> 0:36:05.815
<v Speaker 9>I don't know about other councils. So I'm in the

0:36:05.815 --> 0:36:09.375
<v Speaker 9>western plenty here and that was the way it was

0:36:09.375 --> 0:36:10.455
<v Speaker 9>twenty years ago here.

0:36:10.575 --> 0:36:13.735
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, really appreciate the insight, and I think and the

0:36:13.775 --> 0:36:16.855
<v Speaker 2>other thing that I want to sort of emphasize from

0:36:17.255 --> 0:36:20.695
<v Speaker 2>our conversation is the fact that you got it consented

0:36:20.895 --> 0:36:23.695
<v Speaker 2>from the get go. And the number of conversations I've

0:36:23.695 --> 0:36:26.135
<v Speaker 2>had on this show where people will go, hey, look

0:36:26.175 --> 0:36:30.615
<v Speaker 2>i've got a downstairs area and it's already got a shower,

0:36:30.935 --> 0:36:33.215
<v Speaker 2>I want to pop in a kitchen and then I

0:36:33.255 --> 0:36:36.015
<v Speaker 2>can let it out, and I'm going, yeah, but then

0:36:36.495 --> 0:36:39.615
<v Speaker 2>that's non consented, right, And the things that you the

0:36:39.655 --> 0:36:42.055
<v Speaker 2>hoops that you had to jump through, and to be fair,

0:36:42.095 --> 0:36:44.495
<v Speaker 2>the safety that you've built into what you've built in

0:36:44.535 --> 0:36:48.655
<v Speaker 2>terms of the fire protection and the isolation is really

0:36:48.695 --> 0:36:52.495
<v Speaker 2>really important. And that's why I think it's right that

0:36:52.575 --> 0:36:55.055
<v Speaker 2>we still have to comply with the building code in

0:36:55.135 --> 0:36:58.215
<v Speaker 2>terms of separation if you're going to end up creating

0:36:58.295 --> 0:37:03.095
<v Speaker 2>a truly independent sublet within your existing property, and I

0:37:03.135 --> 0:37:05.855
<v Speaker 2>wholeheartedly agree it shouldn't be something that you can just

0:37:05.895 --> 0:37:09.495
<v Speaker 2>go ahead and do without getting a building consent for it,

0:37:09.615 --> 0:37:12.535
<v Speaker 2>essentially to ensure that everybody is safe, particularly in the

0:37:12.535 --> 0:37:16.895
<v Speaker 2>event of a fire. So good on you. I think

0:37:16.895 --> 0:37:19.815
<v Speaker 2>it's awesome, really appreciate you call Pete. We're going to

0:37:19.855 --> 0:37:23.175
<v Speaker 2>talk to Robert after News, Sport and Weather, which is

0:37:23.215 --> 0:37:28.295
<v Speaker 2>coming up top of the hour at seven o'clock. There's

0:37:28.295 --> 0:37:31.055
<v Speaker 2>a couple of good ones too about building consent fees

0:37:31.135 --> 0:37:35.655
<v Speaker 2>and reserve contributions. Will come back to those after the

0:37:35.695 --> 0:37:37.575
<v Speaker 2>break as well. In a quick one forty year old

0:37:37.615 --> 0:37:40.335
<v Speaker 2>house insult fluff insulation in the attic. Can we use

0:37:40.335 --> 0:37:43.335
<v Speaker 2>some form of barrier stapled down to contain the insulation?

0:37:43.855 --> 0:37:45.815
<v Speaker 2>I guess you could, but you'd have to be a

0:37:45.855 --> 0:37:50.055
<v Speaker 2>little bit careful around creating condensation. Back after the break

0:37:50.215 --> 0:37:51.695
<v Speaker 2>news top of the r at seven.

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<v Speaker 10>In the whole stret we tookaha love, We're all yeah

0:38:16.815 --> 0:38:26.455
<v Speaker 10>sure Caser love Dollie Bird, this right is so upan

0:38:26.615 --> 0:38:29.055
<v Speaker 10>Zaberganal that win the bars are.

0:38:28.935 --> 0:38:30.055
<v Speaker 5>Good, right.

0:38:30.295 --> 0:38:32.855
<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to the program. Pete wolf Camp, the Resident Builder,

0:38:32.975 --> 0:38:35.215
<v Speaker 2>with you this morning here at News Talk ZB the

0:38:35.215 --> 0:38:40.775
<v Speaker 2>Resident Builder on Sunday, taking your calls on all things building, construction, materials,

0:38:40.895 --> 0:38:46.375
<v Speaker 2>maintenance projects, compliance, legislation. Talking about legislation. In the next hour,

0:38:46.455 --> 0:38:47.695
<v Speaker 2>we're going to have a bit of a chat to

0:38:47.935 --> 0:38:51.975
<v Speaker 2>Hamish Firth, who is a planner, a senior planner, very

0:38:52.015 --> 0:38:56.095
<v Speaker 2>experienced planner from Mount Hobson Group. And when I saw

0:38:56.175 --> 0:39:00.295
<v Speaker 2>this announcement at the beginning of the week from the

0:39:00.335 --> 0:39:03.575
<v Speaker 2>government saying, hey, the government has focused on increasing the

0:39:03.615 --> 0:39:07.855
<v Speaker 2>supply of affordable homes. We're looking at options around enabling

0:39:07.855 --> 0:39:10.095
<v Speaker 2>granny flats of up to sixty square meters to be

0:39:10.095 --> 0:39:14.535
<v Speaker 2>built without necessarily requiring a building or resource consents as

0:39:14.575 --> 0:39:17.655
<v Speaker 2>long as they meet certain criteria. Being quite a lot

0:39:17.655 --> 0:39:19.695
<v Speaker 2>of discussion in the media about it, quite a lot

0:39:19.735 --> 0:39:23.415
<v Speaker 2>of discussion online, some of it good, some of it

0:39:23.495 --> 0:39:27.095
<v Speaker 2>not so good. To be fair, Hamish very experience, So

0:39:27.135 --> 0:39:28.535
<v Speaker 2>we're going to have a bit of a chat about

0:39:28.575 --> 0:39:31.135
<v Speaker 2>that at around eight point fifteen this morning, we're going

0:39:31.175 --> 0:39:33.295
<v Speaker 2>to be talking h one compliance at the end of

0:39:33.335 --> 0:39:37.015
<v Speaker 2>this hour with Nikarti Jones. So busy old morning, eight

0:39:37.135 --> 0:39:40.015
<v Speaker 2>hundred eighty ten eighty. Though, for your calls right now,

0:39:40.015 --> 0:39:41.975
<v Speaker 2>if you've got a question about a project that you

0:39:42.215 --> 0:39:45.175
<v Speaker 2>are underway with, you can call us eight hundred eighty

0:39:45.215 --> 0:39:47.895
<v Speaker 2>ten eighty Hello Robert, Yeah.

0:39:47.655 --> 0:39:50.775
<v Speaker 11>Good morning, Pet. I'm a regular listener, but I don't

0:39:50.775 --> 0:39:53.895
<v Speaker 11>contribute to I don't ask any questions, but this morning

0:39:53.935 --> 0:39:58.535
<v Speaker 11>I wish to ask one. Last Sunday you introduced the

0:39:58.575 --> 0:40:03.655
<v Speaker 11>subject of maintenance. Yes, and for my memory, you said

0:40:03.735 --> 0:40:08.015
<v Speaker 11>that maintenance was two things too small, things was ongoing

0:40:08.095 --> 0:40:10.735
<v Speaker 11>and something else, And I can't remember the something else.

0:40:11.095 --> 0:40:12.095
<v Speaker 11>Do you recall what.

0:40:12.615 --> 0:40:15.135
<v Speaker 2>I would probably have said, That it's ongoing and that

0:40:15.415 --> 0:40:19.255
<v Speaker 2>it can be planned, you know, because we know that

0:40:19.455 --> 0:40:23.495
<v Speaker 2>most elements of a building have a life cycle, right,

0:40:24.375 --> 0:40:27.615
<v Speaker 2>so some things will be able to survive for a

0:40:27.655 --> 0:40:31.495
<v Speaker 2>certain amount of time, other things for less. So but certainly,

0:40:31.655 --> 0:40:34.215
<v Speaker 2>you know, like in terms of painting, the one thing

0:40:34.255 --> 0:40:37.215
<v Speaker 2>that I would always say about exterior painting is that

0:40:37.815 --> 0:40:41.975
<v Speaker 2>it will last considerably longer if it's regularly washed.

0:40:42.335 --> 0:40:42.535
<v Speaker 12>Right.

0:40:43.855 --> 0:40:46.255
<v Speaker 2>So again, you could say, well, look, if I paint

0:40:46.255 --> 0:40:49.135
<v Speaker 2>the house, I can expect it to last seven to

0:40:49.215 --> 0:40:52.615
<v Speaker 2>ten years in reasonable condition. Now, I think that if

0:40:52.895 --> 0:40:55.575
<v Speaker 2>and that would be true if you just left it alone.

0:40:55.775 --> 0:40:59.535
<v Speaker 2>I think that if you regularly washed a house and

0:40:59.695 --> 0:41:03.295
<v Speaker 2>washed it correctly, you might get ten to twelve to

0:41:03.375 --> 0:41:06.255
<v Speaker 2>fifteen years out of the paint coating, in which case

0:41:06.455 --> 0:41:10.215
<v Speaker 2>there's a massive advantage to regular and planned maintenance.

0:41:12.255 --> 0:41:16.935
<v Speaker 11>Yeah. I've got a tenant who is a bit reluctant

0:41:16.975 --> 0:41:22.255
<v Speaker 11>to do any maintenance. And boundary fence yep. And I

0:41:22.295 --> 0:41:26.095
<v Speaker 11>agree with your summary that should be ongoing and planned

0:41:26.095 --> 0:41:33.935
<v Speaker 11>and regular. I just wondered how I can persuade my

0:41:35.455 --> 0:41:37.535
<v Speaker 11>my my neighbor.

0:41:37.935 --> 0:41:43.575
<v Speaker 2>Right, yes, Yeah, that's a whole other thing, though, isn't it,

0:41:43.575 --> 0:41:48.295
<v Speaker 2>Because now we're talking about human nature and and sometimes

0:41:48.295 --> 0:41:52.935
<v Speaker 2>it's people's either awareness or their ability, or whether they've

0:41:52.935 --> 0:41:56.815
<v Speaker 2>got deep pockets and short arms. You know, there's all

0:41:56.855 --> 0:41:59.935
<v Speaker 2>of those elements that come into it as well. And

0:42:00.495 --> 0:42:03.175
<v Speaker 2>thank you for adding, Yeah, thank you for adding to

0:42:03.215 --> 0:42:05.455
<v Speaker 2>my list, because I've forgotten about the fence that I

0:42:05.495 --> 0:42:08.495
<v Speaker 2>have to replace posts on. So I was looking at

0:42:08.535 --> 0:42:10.895
<v Speaker 2>a place the other day that I look after, and

0:42:10.935 --> 0:42:13.015
<v Speaker 2>the fence is more and more on a lean and

0:42:13.055 --> 0:42:14.775
<v Speaker 2>I kind of gave the fence post a bit of

0:42:14.815 --> 0:42:17.495
<v Speaker 2>a wobble, and I can't figure out whether it was

0:42:17.975 --> 0:42:20.215
<v Speaker 2>it never had concrete around it, in which case it

0:42:20.295 --> 0:42:23.695
<v Speaker 2>started to move, or whether it does have concrete around

0:42:23.735 --> 0:42:26.095
<v Speaker 2>it and the post is actually rotten at the base.

0:42:26.135 --> 0:42:29.335
<v Speaker 2>And either way, I'm going to have to disassemble a

0:42:29.375 --> 0:42:32.455
<v Speaker 2>section of the fence, dig out the old fence posts

0:42:32.495 --> 0:42:35.215
<v Speaker 2>concrete and some new ones, put the fence panels back in,

0:42:35.655 --> 0:42:38.655
<v Speaker 2>because I don't want to have the cost of replacing

0:42:38.655 --> 0:42:41.495
<v Speaker 2>the entire fence. So again, you know, is that maintenance,

0:42:41.575 --> 0:42:45.935
<v Speaker 2>Like if I could I have done anything to maintain

0:42:46.055 --> 0:42:50.135
<v Speaker 2>that fence to stop it falling over into disrepair. Probably not,

0:42:50.295 --> 0:42:53.055
<v Speaker 2>it's just the nature of that fence in the way

0:42:53.055 --> 0:42:55.735
<v Speaker 2>that it was constructed in the first place. But saying

0:42:55.775 --> 0:42:59.335
<v Speaker 2>that I spent I spent a happy Saturday. I spent

0:42:59.415 --> 0:43:04.415
<v Speaker 2>a happy Friday water blasting patios and treating the ground.

0:43:04.775 --> 0:43:07.855
<v Speaker 2>Now that will then eliminate the moss, which will mean

0:43:07.935 --> 0:43:11.415
<v Speaker 2>that it's safer, I e. You won't slip on the pathway.

0:43:12.295 --> 0:43:16.455
<v Speaker 2>And also yeah, that that's part of maintenance as well.

0:43:16.455 --> 0:43:17.735
<v Speaker 2>It's also part of safety.

0:43:20.175 --> 0:43:22.615
<v Speaker 11>Oh that's that's fine. Thank you for that.

0:43:23.695 --> 0:43:24.375
<v Speaker 2>Nice to talk with you.

0:43:24.495 --> 0:43:26.055
<v Speaker 11>I'll enjoy the rest of your progress.

0:43:26.615 --> 0:43:30.535
<v Speaker 2>All the best. Take care, Robert, see that, yes I did. Actually,

0:43:30.535 --> 0:43:36.295
<v Speaker 2>I've kind of forgotten about Friday's endeavors. And water blasting

0:43:36.415 --> 0:43:44.095
<v Speaker 2>is a I'm always conflicted with water blasting because what

0:43:44.215 --> 0:43:48.255
<v Speaker 2>I often see is people who water blast, particularly timber,

0:43:48.695 --> 0:43:52.415
<v Speaker 2>and ruin the timber too much pressure, too close, rips

0:43:52.455 --> 0:43:55.455
<v Speaker 2>through the fibers. Yes, it might clean off the mold

0:43:55.495 --> 0:43:57.495
<v Speaker 2>and mildew and whatever sitting on the top of it,

0:43:57.535 --> 0:44:00.015
<v Speaker 2>but chances are you're actually going to damage the fibers

0:44:00.055 --> 0:44:04.095
<v Speaker 2>of the timber by water blasting timber too close without

0:44:04.135 --> 0:44:07.895
<v Speaker 2>a chemical pre wash. You know, powerwashing is good. Water

0:44:07.935 --> 0:44:10.855
<v Speaker 2>blasting in that instance is bad. But at the same time,

0:44:10.975 --> 0:44:16.215
<v Speaker 2>after a couple of hours literally of water blasting edge

0:44:16.215 --> 0:44:19.695
<v Speaker 2>of the house, in the concrete base, and all of

0:44:19.735 --> 0:44:23.055
<v Speaker 2>the patio which had been overgrown which we dealt with

0:44:23.135 --> 0:44:25.455
<v Speaker 2>earlier in the week by doing a massive prune in

0:44:25.495 --> 0:44:32.095
<v Speaker 2>this garden, it's also enormously satisfying. The other thing that

0:44:32.215 --> 0:44:35.415
<v Speaker 2>was enormously satisfying about the water blasting that I did

0:44:35.455 --> 0:44:38.455
<v Speaker 2>on Friday, apart from testing out a new pair of

0:44:38.455 --> 0:44:42.455
<v Speaker 2>gum boots, which were amazing, is that it's on a

0:44:42.455 --> 0:44:46.135
<v Speaker 2>property where we had installed a rainwater tank, so rainwater

0:44:46.175 --> 0:44:49.055
<v Speaker 2>harvesting now, given all the weather at the moment and

0:44:49.095 --> 0:44:50.775
<v Speaker 2>there's not a lot happening in the garden, there was

0:44:50.895 --> 0:44:53.535
<v Speaker 2>plenty of water in the tank, and so I would

0:44:53.575 --> 0:45:00.295
<v Speaker 2>have worked for about I would say two hours, possibly

0:45:00.335 --> 0:45:03.815
<v Speaker 2>even a little bit more with the water blaster going constantly.

0:45:04.295 --> 0:45:07.415
<v Speaker 2>And I had it simply connected to the water tank,

0:45:07.455 --> 0:45:10.295
<v Speaker 2>which was one of the Bailey slim Line tanks, one

0:45:10.295 --> 0:45:13.215
<v Speaker 2>of their Sustainability series tanks that I put in, So

0:45:13.255 --> 0:45:16.295
<v Speaker 2>two thousand letter tank hooked up to the downpip. It's

0:45:16.335 --> 0:45:18.735
<v Speaker 2>got an overflow, it's got an outlet at the bottom

0:45:18.775 --> 0:45:21.455
<v Speaker 2>with a hose tap on it, and that Bailey water

0:45:21.535 --> 0:45:23.735
<v Speaker 2>tank I would have like, I would have water blasted

0:45:23.775 --> 0:45:26.775
<v Speaker 2>for two hours just using water out of the tank.

0:45:26.815 --> 0:45:29.495
<v Speaker 2>I don't think I even got anywhere near emptying the tank.

0:45:29.895 --> 0:45:33.215
<v Speaker 2>But it is literally hundreds of liters of water that

0:45:33.415 --> 0:45:36.775
<v Speaker 2>I wasn't drawing from the mains. Therefore, in that instance,

0:45:36.975 --> 0:45:39.575
<v Speaker 2>nobody's paying for it. Free water out of that Bailey

0:45:39.575 --> 0:45:40.055
<v Speaker 2>water tank.

0:45:40.095 --> 0:45:40.295
<v Speaker 12>It was.

0:45:41.455 --> 0:45:43.815
<v Speaker 2>That was very satisfying in its own way. Speaking of

0:45:43.855 --> 0:45:46.415
<v Speaker 2>people with deep pockets and short arms, Oh, eight hundred

0:45:46.535 --> 0:45:48.255
<v Speaker 2>eighty ten eighty is the number to call. We've got

0:45:48.255 --> 0:45:51.375
<v Speaker 2>some spear lines available in for you right now, lots

0:45:51.375 --> 0:45:54.135
<v Speaker 2>of text about the Granny Flats. Happy to take your

0:45:54.175 --> 0:45:56.775
<v Speaker 2>calls on it as well. And if you are really

0:45:56.815 --> 0:45:59.735
<v Speaker 2>engaged with this process, you're interested in it, the government

0:45:59.775 --> 0:46:02.495
<v Speaker 2>actually wants to hear from you, so they're inviting submissions.

0:46:02.495 --> 0:46:05.895
<v Speaker 2>You can have a look online and then make your submission.

0:46:05.935 --> 0:46:07.655
<v Speaker 2>You might I think it's a great idea. You might

0:46:07.695 --> 0:46:11.495
<v Speaker 2>think that it is a disastrous idea that will lead

0:46:11.575 --> 0:46:17.415
<v Speaker 2>to shabby, poorly built housing popping up in the worst

0:46:17.455 --> 0:46:21.895
<v Speaker 2>possible places, and it's just going to create chantytowns. And

0:46:21.975 --> 0:46:25.215
<v Speaker 2>to be fair, either of those options is probably quite possible. Oh,

0:46:25.295 --> 0:46:27.375
<v Speaker 2>eight hundred eighty ten eighty call us now. It is

0:46:27.415 --> 0:46:31.735
<v Speaker 2>fifteen minutes after seven. Another question we're going to add

0:46:31.735 --> 0:46:33.295
<v Speaker 2>to the list of things that we'll talk about with

0:46:33.335 --> 0:46:37.615
<v Speaker 2>Hamish Firth from Mount Hobson Group. After eight o'clock is around.

0:46:37.655 --> 0:46:41.055
<v Speaker 2>Who can then occupy the granny flat? So Texas has

0:46:41.095 --> 0:46:44.495
<v Speaker 2>come through. Granny Flat can only be occupied by close family.

0:46:44.535 --> 0:46:46.015
<v Speaker 2>If you want to rent it out, you need to

0:46:46.015 --> 0:46:49.415
<v Speaker 2>get it consented as a minor unit. So different rules

0:46:50.255 --> 0:46:54.055
<v Speaker 2>that will be really interesting to talk about. Marty, talk

0:46:54.095 --> 0:46:56.895
<v Speaker 2>to me about Granni flats.

0:46:57.615 --> 0:47:00.615
<v Speaker 4>He look, I think.

0:47:04.495 --> 0:47:06.255
<v Speaker 2>We may try and get you back on a better line.

0:47:06.455 --> 0:47:10.575
<v Speaker 2>Mary just stayed with us and Sarah in the meantime.

0:47:10.615 --> 0:47:11.615
<v Speaker 2>Good morning to you.

0:47:12.815 --> 0:47:13.735
<v Speaker 13>Good morning Peters.

0:47:14.135 --> 0:47:15.095
<v Speaker 2>I'm very well, thank you.

0:47:16.415 --> 0:47:20.255
<v Speaker 13>I have a question regarding drainage. So I have a

0:47:20.295 --> 0:47:26.335
<v Speaker 13>rental property that was affected by six cyclone Gabrielle, Yes,

0:47:26.935 --> 0:47:33.775
<v Speaker 13>and wanting to know whether there's any rules about what's

0:47:33.975 --> 0:47:35.415
<v Speaker 13>adequate drainage.

0:47:36.935 --> 0:47:39.895
<v Speaker 2>Oh, very good question. Yeah, because I mean what we

0:47:39.935 --> 0:47:42.975
<v Speaker 2>saw if you were in the Auckland area, and I'll

0:47:42.975 --> 0:47:45.535
<v Speaker 2>stick with what I know about Auckland with the floods

0:47:45.575 --> 0:47:49.255
<v Speaker 2>in January and then again in February, is that over

0:47:49.535 --> 0:47:52.655
<v Speaker 2>a twenty four hour period in Auckland, especially in January,

0:47:52.695 --> 0:47:56.255
<v Speaker 2>we had somewhere approaching two hundred and forty millimeters of

0:47:56.335 --> 0:48:01.655
<v Speaker 2>rain right over that period. And by and large a

0:48:01.775 --> 0:48:05.815
<v Speaker 2>one and one hundred year flood event might include rainfall

0:48:05.855 --> 0:48:09.935
<v Speaker 2>of up to about eighty millimeters, right, so we're three

0:48:10.015 --> 0:48:14.135
<v Speaker 2>times more than what we would expect to have once

0:48:14.175 --> 0:48:16.775
<v Speaker 2>every hundred years. So in that sense, you know, if

0:48:16.815 --> 0:48:21.135
<v Speaker 2>your drainage overflowed or your downpipes overflowed or the spouting

0:48:21.215 --> 0:48:27.295
<v Speaker 2>overflowed during that rain event. That's not surprising, right. What

0:48:27.375 --> 0:48:32.135
<v Speaker 2>will be challenging is will we see standards or performance

0:48:32.415 --> 0:48:37.535
<v Speaker 2>expectations for drainage increase because of these events which might happen.

0:48:37.535 --> 0:48:41.895
<v Speaker 2>But currently the legislation, you know, there's rules already in

0:48:41.935 --> 0:48:44.095
<v Speaker 2>the Building Act and in the Building or in the

0:48:44.095 --> 0:48:47.335
<v Speaker 2>Building Code rather around let's say, how many square meters

0:48:47.335 --> 0:48:51.455
<v Speaker 2>of roof per downpipe, what the size of the downpipe is,

0:48:51.855 --> 0:48:54.415
<v Speaker 2>what the size of the pipe in the ground has

0:48:54.455 --> 0:48:57.295
<v Speaker 2>to be, all of these sorts of things. So if

0:48:57.735 --> 0:49:00.815
<v Speaker 2>what you've got at the moment complies with that, then

0:49:00.855 --> 0:49:04.015
<v Speaker 2>that would be considered adequate. Whether it's going to be

0:49:04.055 --> 0:49:06.495
<v Speaker 2>adequate in the future is a question for others.

0:49:08.135 --> 0:49:11.855
<v Speaker 13>And who determines whether it's adequate or not.

0:49:12.695 --> 0:49:15.455
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So even in terms of like because there is

0:49:15.615 --> 0:49:19.615
<v Speaker 2>a requirement under the Healthy Homes Standard right as part

0:49:19.655 --> 0:49:22.415
<v Speaker 2>of the residential tendency, which says that you have to

0:49:22.415 --> 0:49:25.575
<v Speaker 2>have adequate drainage, and that's probably what you're focusing on.

0:49:26.055 --> 0:49:29.695
<v Speaker 2>So I think there if you were to, if let's say,

0:49:29.695 --> 0:49:33.055
<v Speaker 2>somebody challenges it and says the drainage on this property

0:49:33.135 --> 0:49:35.375
<v Speaker 2>is inadequate, and I'm going to go to the tenancy

0:49:35.415 --> 0:49:39.055
<v Speaker 2>tribunal and tell on you. You would probably need to

0:49:39.095 --> 0:49:42.695
<v Speaker 2>find a drain layer or a building survey who could

0:49:42.695 --> 0:49:45.215
<v Speaker 2>have a look and say, in fact, what we've got

0:49:45.295 --> 0:49:48.655
<v Speaker 2>is one two five spouting, we've got this number of downpipes,

0:49:48.695 --> 0:49:52.775
<v Speaker 2>we've got this catchment area. It's directed into council or

0:49:52.815 --> 0:49:56.495
<v Speaker 2>it's directed into private storm water which connects to public

0:49:56.575 --> 0:50:01.375
<v Speaker 2>storm water. All of these things are compliant with current legislation.

0:50:01.735 --> 0:50:04.655
<v Speaker 2>The fact it was overwhelmed is because it was an

0:50:04.695 --> 0:50:07.815
<v Speaker 2>extreme event rather than and every day. Now, if you

0:50:07.855 --> 0:50:10.975
<v Speaker 2>get ten millimeters of rain at your property and there's

0:50:12.055 --> 0:50:16.015
<v Speaker 2>flooding and somebody actually finds that, well, actually it might

0:50:16.095 --> 0:50:18.495
<v Speaker 2>go into the ground, but it goes into a soakage

0:50:18.495 --> 0:50:21.575
<v Speaker 2>pit that was done forty years ago and now has

0:50:21.655 --> 0:50:25.335
<v Speaker 2>no containment at all, then it's probably fair to say

0:50:25.375 --> 0:50:28.255
<v Speaker 2>it's inadequate and not fit for purpose, in which case

0:50:28.295 --> 0:50:29.615
<v Speaker 2>you'd need to do some upgrades.

0:50:30.935 --> 0:50:38.055
<v Speaker 13>Okay, So what about if the property is so slightly

0:50:38.095 --> 0:50:39.575
<v Speaker 13>below the street level?

0:50:41.015 --> 0:50:42.015
<v Speaker 6>Is that.

0:50:44.735 --> 0:50:48.335
<v Speaker 2>Again there's very little that you as a landlord could

0:50:48.375 --> 0:50:52.215
<v Speaker 2>do about that if it's being inundated, because it's in

0:50:52.255 --> 0:50:54.575
<v Speaker 2>a floodplain and this might be quite interesting to do.

0:50:56.055 --> 0:51:00.615
<v Speaker 2>Councils have just or Auckland Councils specifically, has just issued

0:51:01.055 --> 0:51:04.855
<v Speaker 2>a new has just created a new website called flood Viewer.

0:51:06.055 --> 0:51:09.415
<v Speaker 2>And if you've ever gone onto a council website, there's

0:51:09.415 --> 0:51:12.055
<v Speaker 2>a thing called a gis right, you can look at

0:51:12.095 --> 0:51:15.535
<v Speaker 2>all sorts of information about where drainage is, where overland

0:51:15.535 --> 0:51:18.575
<v Speaker 2>flow paths are, where natural hazards are, et cetera, et cetera.

0:51:19.015 --> 0:51:24.535
<v Speaker 2>But flood Viewer is newly developed and it has information

0:51:24.615 --> 0:51:29.255
<v Speaker 2>that's obviously been gathered via lider from the recent flood

0:51:29.295 --> 0:51:33.495
<v Speaker 2>events and so it's updated and it's very very specific.

0:51:33.655 --> 0:51:36.335
<v Speaker 2>And I know this because I've looked at a number

0:51:36.335 --> 0:51:40.175
<v Speaker 2>of properties that I'm engaged with to see where the

0:51:40.295 --> 0:51:45.815
<v Speaker 2>new flooding zones are likely to be. So go online,

0:51:45.975 --> 0:51:49.135
<v Speaker 2>go on to flood Viewer and then type in the

0:51:49.175 --> 0:51:52.655
<v Speaker 2>address and you might find that suddenly you are actually

0:51:52.695 --> 0:51:55.975
<v Speaker 2>in a flood zone.

0:51:55.415 --> 0:51:57.775
<v Speaker 13>Right, Okay, which is interesting.

0:51:57.855 --> 0:52:00.335
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, have a look at that. But in terms of

0:52:00.415 --> 0:52:04.095
<v Speaker 2>compliance with the Healthy Homes Act, you know, if there

0:52:04.135 --> 0:52:08.335
<v Speaker 2>are like if there's poor drainage, then you would need

0:52:08.375 --> 0:52:11.015
<v Speaker 2>to get it done, but deciding what poor drainage is.

0:52:11.095 --> 0:52:12.535
<v Speaker 2>You might get a drain layer, you might get a

0:52:12.535 --> 0:52:13.935
<v Speaker 2>building surveyor to have a look at it.

0:52:14.695 --> 0:52:15.415
<v Speaker 14>That's what I'm.

0:52:17.095 --> 0:52:20.655
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, what's considered adequate. That's good point. Good luck

0:52:20.655 --> 0:52:23.615
<v Speaker 2>with that. Alrighty, all of this is Hereah, you take care,

0:52:23.855 --> 0:52:26.015
<v Speaker 2>thank you, and Shirley are very good morning to you.

0:52:26.855 --> 0:52:30.895
<v Speaker 15>Oh, good morning. Just a quick question about you know,

0:52:30.935 --> 0:52:34.815
<v Speaker 15>you're talking about housewashing, the best best thing to use

0:52:35.255 --> 0:52:39.815
<v Speaker 15>for housewashing. We've used some of these products you can buy.

0:52:41.255 --> 0:52:42.135
<v Speaker 3>I don't know if I can.

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<v Speaker 15>Say the brand or not, like thirty Seconds house Clean

0:52:46.735 --> 0:52:48.455
<v Speaker 15>and it's sort of got like a bleach and I

0:52:48.495 --> 0:52:50.695
<v Speaker 15>think is a good thing to you.

0:52:50.895 --> 0:52:53.495
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean there's a bunch of proprietary ones. Like

0:52:54.295 --> 0:52:56.655
<v Speaker 2>to be fair, I would typically like when I've done

0:52:56.655 --> 0:53:00.935
<v Speaker 2>some house washing, let's say, in for paint preparation, because

0:53:00.935 --> 0:53:02.895
<v Speaker 2>I buy my paints from Razine, I tend to go

0:53:02.935 --> 0:53:05.175
<v Speaker 2>and buy a house washed product that they've got in

0:53:05.255 --> 0:53:10.415
<v Speaker 2>the stores as well. I guess broadly speaking, most of

0:53:10.455 --> 0:53:13.815
<v Speaker 2>them all operate out of the same thing, you know,

0:53:13.895 --> 0:53:15.975
<v Speaker 2>in terms of what chemicals they might have in them,

0:53:16.175 --> 0:53:20.375
<v Speaker 2>But certainly having a pre wash makes a significant difference,

0:53:20.535 --> 0:53:24.815
<v Speaker 2>and so I mentioned I had our own house family

0:53:24.855 --> 0:53:27.655
<v Speaker 2>home wash. The other day, I talked to the young

0:53:27.655 --> 0:53:30.215
<v Speaker 2>fellow who was coming to do it, and he had

0:53:30.455 --> 0:53:33.895
<v Speaker 2>a pre wash solution, which is sort of a commercial

0:53:33.935 --> 0:53:37.615
<v Speaker 2>grade one. He applied an application allowed that to sort of,

0:53:37.935 --> 0:53:40.255
<v Speaker 2>you know, get into all of that moss and mold

0:53:40.295 --> 0:53:42.615
<v Speaker 2>that grows on the outside of a house, and then

0:53:42.695 --> 0:53:45.815
<v Speaker 2>he did a powerwash. So not not he it was

0:53:45.855 --> 0:53:47.695
<v Speaker 2>a water blaster, but he used it in such a

0:53:47.695 --> 0:53:50.695
<v Speaker 2>way where he wasn't directing a massive amount of water

0:53:50.855 --> 0:53:53.495
<v Speaker 2>onto the building, which is really important. So I think

0:53:53.935 --> 0:53:56.855
<v Speaker 2>a pre wash or a treatment before you wash the

0:53:56.895 --> 0:53:57.815
<v Speaker 2>house is essential.

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<v Speaker 15>Okay, Well so yeah, I mean, or the our house

0:54:03.615 --> 0:54:07.255
<v Speaker 15>doesn't really have any stuff throwing, would you still need

0:54:07.295 --> 0:54:08.935
<v Speaker 15>a pre washer that hasn't got much.

0:54:08.975 --> 0:54:11.735
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I would still do that because I think what

0:54:11.815 --> 0:54:16.535
<v Speaker 2>it's doing then is it's it's treating the paint surface, right,

0:54:16.975 --> 0:54:19.255
<v Speaker 2>And even if you can't see it, I would suggest

0:54:19.295 --> 0:54:22.055
<v Speaker 2>that that's great because obviously you look after it, right,

0:54:23.135 --> 0:54:26.535
<v Speaker 2>But if you don't, what you'll see is just more

0:54:26.655 --> 0:54:29.335
<v Speaker 2>mold and mold growth, particularly on southern sides of the

0:54:29.335 --> 0:54:31.615
<v Speaker 2>house areas where it might be a bit damp that

0:54:31.695 --> 0:54:33.775
<v Speaker 2>sort of thing. So yeah, I think a pre wash

0:54:33.815 --> 0:54:37.575
<v Speaker 2>and then a gentle soft wash using a powerwasher is

0:54:37.655 --> 0:54:41.335
<v Speaker 2>the way to go. But the treatment is really important.

0:54:42.295 --> 0:54:44.135
<v Speaker 15>So the pre wash is that what it's called.

0:54:44.655 --> 0:54:47.255
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I would call it like a pre wash treatment.

0:54:47.455 --> 0:54:50.255
<v Speaker 2>So in some some water blasters, even the one that

0:54:50.295 --> 0:54:52.615
<v Speaker 2>I was using the other day, actually has a facility

0:54:52.655 --> 0:54:54.975
<v Speaker 2>where you can put in a wash element into it

0:54:55.335 --> 0:54:57.695
<v Speaker 2>and then spray that out. So when I was doing

0:54:57.775 --> 0:55:01.295
<v Speaker 2>some of the cleaning the pathways, I put in some

0:55:01.455 --> 0:55:04.415
<v Speaker 2>cleaner into that, sprayed it, let it settle on the

0:55:04.455 --> 0:55:06.855
<v Speaker 2>pathway for half an hour or so. Well, I did

0:55:06.895 --> 0:55:09.615
<v Speaker 2>another job and then I came back and washed it

0:55:09.655 --> 0:55:12.855
<v Speaker 2>all off. So let the chemicals do some of the

0:55:12.895 --> 0:55:13.335
<v Speaker 2>work for you.

0:55:14.295 --> 0:55:16.015
<v Speaker 15>Okay, all right, thanks so much, right.

0:55:16.815 --> 0:55:23.735
<v Speaker 2>Take care. It was good fun. I was filthy and wet.

0:55:23.975 --> 0:55:26.415
<v Speaker 2>My feet weren't because I was wearing my new gun boots.

0:55:28.095 --> 0:55:32.695
<v Speaker 2>But it's hard. I was hoping that the gunboats would

0:55:32.735 --> 0:55:36.455
<v Speaker 2>look worn in. They are these new Noramax gum boats.

0:55:36.455 --> 0:55:38.495
<v Speaker 2>I was hoping. I was really really hoping that they

0:55:38.495 --> 0:55:40.335
<v Speaker 2>would look worn in. But they look brand new, even

0:55:40.375 --> 0:55:42.735
<v Speaker 2>after I've been doing all this work. So I've got

0:55:42.775 --> 0:55:44.215
<v Speaker 2>to go and do another job now to make them

0:55:44.215 --> 0:55:46.855
<v Speaker 2>look a bit old, because we all know there is

0:55:46.895 --> 0:55:50.215
<v Speaker 2>no credibility in wearing brand new gun boots out in public.

0:55:50.495 --> 0:55:55.775
<v Speaker 2>Twenty seven minutes after seven, let's talk to Tom. Hello there, Tom,

0:55:55.775 --> 0:55:57.855
<v Speaker 2>Good morning, sir, good ones.

0:55:58.295 --> 0:56:00.855
<v Speaker 7>I hear you all the time, like the pose and

0:56:00.935 --> 0:56:01.295
<v Speaker 7>the time.

0:56:02.935 --> 0:56:04.975
<v Speaker 2>I like that phrase. I'm going to pokemon nose and

0:56:05.495 --> 0:56:07.575
<v Speaker 2>I might do that as an introduction to the show.

0:56:07.815 --> 0:56:09.815
<v Speaker 2>Welcome folks, if you'd like to poke your nose and

0:56:10.095 --> 0:56:13.335
<v Speaker 2>you can call eight hun. How can I help.

0:56:13.255 --> 0:56:14.575
<v Speaker 3>Tim well.

0:56:16.895 --> 0:56:22.135
<v Speaker 7>Your detergent spray? That's I recommend that too, because before,

0:56:22.415 --> 0:56:25.535
<v Speaker 7>in the early days, we really wrecked the surface of things,

0:56:25.775 --> 0:56:28.495
<v Speaker 7>including blocks. By the way, you probably know, it rips

0:56:28.495 --> 0:56:31.175
<v Speaker 7>hell out of the surface and it can then creation

0:56:31.415 --> 0:56:36.055
<v Speaker 7>worse there. But that prev wast detergent or during was

0:56:36.175 --> 0:56:38.655
<v Speaker 7>Detergent's good move as long as you don't get the

0:56:38.735 --> 0:56:42.375
<v Speaker 7>thing too close to the work. Why I'm ringing now

0:56:42.495 --> 0:56:44.935
<v Speaker 7>is because I think it'd be a very good move

0:56:45.215 --> 0:56:48.695
<v Speaker 7>if we're allowed to do these sixty square meter buildings

0:56:49.495 --> 0:56:52.855
<v Speaker 7>or similar to make sure they go wooden floors that

0:56:52.935 --> 0:56:56.535
<v Speaker 7>can be picked up and taken away if anything goes wrong,

0:56:56.775 --> 0:57:00.415
<v Speaker 7>or if your bigger developed are happening not conquered floors,

0:57:00.815 --> 0:57:02.655
<v Speaker 7>so you can't take the building away.

0:57:02.775 --> 0:57:05.775
<v Speaker 2>See I suspect that that's in fact, I think even

0:57:05.815 --> 0:57:08.735
<v Speaker 2>in the current legislation around being able to build up

0:57:08.735 --> 0:57:12.415
<v Speaker 2>to thirty square meters without necessarily having a consent, as

0:57:12.455 --> 0:57:15.055
<v Speaker 2>soon as you do a concrete slab, I think it

0:57:15.095 --> 0:57:18.135
<v Speaker 2>probably triggers the requirement for a building consent. So yeah,

0:57:18.215 --> 0:57:20.135
<v Speaker 2>like you say, if you did, and this is where

0:57:20.175 --> 0:57:22.655
<v Speaker 2>things like screw piles might come into their own as well,

0:57:22.975 --> 0:57:26.375
<v Speaker 2>that you could do these screw piles, pop down the

0:57:26.415 --> 0:57:29.735
<v Speaker 2>minor dwelling on top of it, and then if you

0:57:29.775 --> 0:57:31.855
<v Speaker 2>did want to move it later on. Although picking up

0:57:31.895 --> 0:57:38.535
<v Speaker 2>a sixty square meter building is not a small job, right.

0:57:37.695 --> 0:57:40.735
<v Speaker 7>But it can be done now you do crane and

0:57:40.775 --> 0:57:43.975
<v Speaker 7>taken away, but you can cut it in half you

0:57:43.975 --> 0:57:45.615
<v Speaker 7>want it not. But the point is I make and

0:57:45.655 --> 0:57:48.175
<v Speaker 7>you can take a good building and put it somewhere else.

0:57:48.495 --> 0:57:52.415
<v Speaker 7>We'll move it slightly and put another extension in. I've

0:57:52.415 --> 0:57:55.215
<v Speaker 7>been building so long that a lot of my commercial

0:57:55.215 --> 0:58:00.695
<v Speaker 7>buildings have been taken away and replaced on roads. Well.

0:58:01.175 --> 0:58:06.215
<v Speaker 7>All the rest started off in nineteen sixty I think.

0:58:06.055 --> 0:58:12.015
<v Speaker 2>Is I know the Great South throw reasonably well because

0:58:12.015 --> 0:58:14.015
<v Speaker 2>I used to live in Papa Toy and we you know,

0:58:14.215 --> 0:58:17.375
<v Speaker 2>you'd cycle on that most days actually, as it happens,

0:58:17.535 --> 0:58:21.535
<v Speaker 2>a great South road. Yeah, hey, look, I appreciate it,

0:58:21.575 --> 0:58:24.015
<v Speaker 2>I think, And this is I guess this is where

0:58:24.015 --> 0:58:27.575
<v Speaker 2>the consultation will be interesting and where we might land

0:58:27.735 --> 0:58:30.375
<v Speaker 2>in terms of an actual piece of legislation that says

0:58:30.375 --> 0:58:32.895
<v Speaker 2>you can do X, Y and Z. And I agree

0:58:32.895 --> 0:58:36.095
<v Speaker 2>with you. I think that anything that is going to

0:58:36.135 --> 0:58:38.615
<v Speaker 2>be allowed to be built up to sixty square meters

0:58:38.655 --> 0:58:42.775
<v Speaker 2>without necessarily requiring a building consent probably needs to be

0:58:42.815 --> 0:58:46.855
<v Speaker 2>built with a timber floor rather than a concrete slab

0:58:47.055 --> 0:58:47.695
<v Speaker 2>on the ground.

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<v Speaker 16>Right, you tell them all right, I'll put it in

0:58:51.095 --> 0:58:54.015
<v Speaker 16>your name. Tom much appreciated, lovely to chat with you.

0:58:54.215 --> 0:58:56.775
<v Speaker 16>Take care then you and Newstalks Heed be I think

0:58:56.775 --> 0:58:58.375
<v Speaker 16>we should take a break. Let's do that right now,

0:58:58.375 --> 0:59:00.295
<v Speaker 16>and then we'll come back and talk flooding with Greg

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<v Speaker 16>seven thirty five at Newstalk's head be Greg, good morning

0:59:04.535 --> 0:59:04.895
<v Speaker 16>to you.

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<v Speaker 14>Yeah, hey, Pete, great to talk to you. Thank you

0:59:09.855 --> 0:59:12.895
<v Speaker 14>for your show. So yeah, two two aspects want to

0:59:12.935 --> 0:59:14.855
<v Speaker 14>just discussed on the flooding.

0:59:14.855 --> 0:59:14.975
<v Speaker 17>Now.

0:59:15.015 --> 0:59:17.375
<v Speaker 14>I'm an Auckland of course, I've lived in Westleton all

0:59:17.455 --> 0:59:20.015
<v Speaker 14>my life, and I've probably lived in places that were

0:59:20.015 --> 0:59:22.375
<v Speaker 14>built in swamps old swamps in the past that were

0:59:22.455 --> 0:59:26.095
<v Speaker 14>underwater last year. I currently own a place on very

0:59:26.095 --> 0:59:28.775
<v Speaker 14>elevated land in Wessels and so not a price for now.

0:59:28.815 --> 0:59:31.175
<v Speaker 14>But I was looking at those flood view of maps

0:59:31.175 --> 0:59:34.455
<v Speaker 14>from working councils. Yes, now, the old map and the

0:59:34.495 --> 0:59:38.215
<v Speaker 14>new ones. But I know one hundred those maps are

0:59:38.215 --> 0:59:40.575
<v Speaker 14>out of date now because the high tide of the

0:59:40.655 --> 0:59:43.215
<v Speaker 14>floods in the you know, a lot of house, of

0:59:43.495 --> 0:59:45.735
<v Speaker 14>lot of streets, and we're talking run along the creeks

0:59:46.215 --> 0:59:48.815
<v Speaker 14>the course. I'm very flat land, and the actual high

0:59:48.935 --> 0:59:52.575
<v Speaker 14>tide of where those flood warders came through exceeds the

0:59:52.615 --> 0:59:55.575
<v Speaker 14>current map, even the new ones. Really, those maps are

0:59:55.575 --> 0:59:57.895
<v Speaker 14>already out of date. They're already out of date. I

0:59:58.375 --> 1:00:01.095
<v Speaker 14>know they've gone past by many meters. We've got friends

1:00:01.095 --> 1:00:03.815
<v Speaker 14>in these areas.

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<v Speaker 2>And well that's look and I'm I'm intrigued by that

1:00:08.335 --> 1:00:14.055
<v Speaker 2>in the sense that I looked at some property a

1:00:14.135 --> 1:00:18.975
<v Speaker 2>specific area that I know well, and i'd been involved

1:00:19.015 --> 1:00:23.175
<v Speaker 2>in remediation of the flood damage last year to properties

1:00:23.175 --> 1:00:25.175
<v Speaker 2>that were like two or three hundred meters away from

1:00:25.975 --> 1:00:27.975
<v Speaker 2>this other one. And so when I looked on the

1:00:28.015 --> 1:00:31.895
<v Speaker 2>flood viewer, I was impressed at how accurate and up

1:00:31.975 --> 1:00:36.055
<v Speaker 2>to date it was and how extensive it showed areas

1:00:36.095 --> 1:00:38.815
<v Speaker 2>that would be prone to flooding in the future based

1:00:38.855 --> 1:00:41.375
<v Speaker 2>on evidence from what happened back in January and then

1:00:41.415 --> 1:00:44.255
<v Speaker 2>again in February. So my experience of it has been

1:00:44.615 --> 1:00:46.695
<v Speaker 2>I looked at it and there was a particular property

1:00:46.695 --> 1:00:48.095
<v Speaker 2>that I was looking at, and it was like the

1:00:48.935 --> 1:00:52.015
<v Speaker 2>flood zone came right up to the boundary basically, and

1:00:52.655 --> 1:00:55.775
<v Speaker 2>interestingly enough, looking at those properties, and I've known this

1:00:55.855 --> 1:00:59.335
<v Speaker 2>area for twenty five years, thirty years. There would have

1:00:59.415 --> 1:01:02.295
<v Speaker 2>been one or two occasions in thirty years where some

1:01:02.375 --> 1:01:04.615
<v Speaker 2>of the properties in the most low lying part of

1:01:04.655 --> 1:01:08.375
<v Speaker 2>it had had some flooding of like basements and that

1:01:08.455 --> 1:01:12.655
<v Speaker 2>sort of thing. But then based on last year's rainfall,

1:01:13.095 --> 1:01:16.495
<v Speaker 2>it was way more extensive and that was reflected in floodviewer.

1:01:16.575 --> 1:01:18.935
<v Speaker 2>So it's interesting to hear you say, look, you know

1:01:19.015 --> 1:01:22.215
<v Speaker 2>properties that were flooded last year that haven't been included

1:01:22.255 --> 1:01:24.735
<v Speaker 2>in flood flowed flood viewer.

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<v Speaker 14>It could be that these properties had just you know,

1:01:28.695 --> 1:01:32.175
<v Speaker 14>massive rainfall locals in the area and caused those creeks

1:01:32.175 --> 1:01:34.695
<v Speaker 14>to come up more than what the flood viewer map showed.

1:01:34.935 --> 1:01:37.775
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but what again when I was looking at it

1:01:37.815 --> 1:01:40.895
<v Speaker 2>the other day, like you know, last year during the floods,

1:01:40.935 --> 1:01:45.495
<v Speaker 2>the Northern Motorway between Esmond Road and Northcote Road was

1:01:45.735 --> 1:01:49.775
<v Speaker 2>a meter underwater. Now, I've lived in Kland my whole life.

1:01:49.895 --> 1:01:53.935
<v Speaker 2>I've never ever seen that, and yet it happened last

1:01:54.015 --> 1:01:57.415
<v Speaker 2>year and if you look on flood viewer, it's evidenced there.

1:01:58.575 --> 1:02:01.615
<v Speaker 18>Okay, oh, maybe it is they have updated they haven't

1:02:02.095 --> 1:02:06.175
<v Speaker 18>it everywhere, or maybe some catchment area's got more rain

1:02:06.575 --> 1:02:09.135
<v Speaker 18>than the floods viewer anticipated they would get.

1:02:09.295 --> 1:02:09.495
<v Speaker 12>Yeah.

1:02:09.535 --> 1:02:12.295
<v Speaker 2>Possibly, Look, it's a dynamic thing, isn't it.

1:02:13.415 --> 1:02:16.575
<v Speaker 14>Yah, But it was at one one point eight meters

1:02:16.615 --> 1:02:19.855
<v Speaker 14>around the year, yep, and averages one point two. West

1:02:19.895 --> 1:02:23.615
<v Speaker 14>often gets the southwesterly windsors We're the first generally, and

1:02:23.695 --> 1:02:25.615
<v Speaker 14>you get a lot of rainfall and ateagories that then

1:02:25.735 --> 1:02:28.095
<v Speaker 14>flow into those creeks and the West Sorcelands.

1:02:28.375 --> 1:02:28.535
<v Speaker 18>Yeah.

1:02:28.575 --> 1:02:31.095
<v Speaker 2>And of course you know the challenge for parts of

1:02:31.095 --> 1:02:35.255
<v Speaker 2>Westalkland and sort of northwest Aalkland is that for it

1:02:35.335 --> 1:02:37.455
<v Speaker 2>to get to the sea, it's got to go into

1:02:37.495 --> 1:02:42.215
<v Speaker 2>the Kuiper Harbor and out. That's a long way to go. Yeah,

1:02:42.455 --> 1:02:43.295
<v Speaker 2>you know, it doesn't.

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<v Speaker 14>Come yep, Riverhead, and I see they're still trying to

1:02:47.535 --> 1:02:51.015
<v Speaker 14>build new places at Riverhead and the flood zones were

1:02:51.095 --> 1:02:53.495
<v Speaker 14>next to the flood zone and Riverhead, you know, very

1:02:53.535 --> 1:02:57.535
<v Speaker 14>flat areas. But the push for housing, there's always a compromise,

1:02:57.615 --> 1:02:59.855
<v Speaker 14>isn't it. You know, you're built the build it like

1:02:59.895 --> 1:03:02.135
<v Speaker 14>the Gulf Coast of the America. They build it twenty

1:03:02.135 --> 1:03:02.695
<v Speaker 14>feet in the air.

1:03:03.455 --> 1:03:05.455
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's right, it's it's going to be really and

1:03:05.495 --> 1:03:07.655
<v Speaker 2>look again, you know, because we all know stories, right

1:03:08.015 --> 1:03:11.975
<v Speaker 2>And I know someone who built in an area where

1:03:11.975 --> 1:03:14.855
<v Speaker 2>they knew there was flooding, and so when they submitted

1:03:14.855 --> 1:03:18.215
<v Speaker 2>their building consent, they raised the level of their floor,

1:03:18.415 --> 1:03:21.895
<v Speaker 2>so concrete floor on grade, two story house on it.

1:03:22.215 --> 1:03:26.215
<v Speaker 2>They decided that they would build six hundred millimeters above

1:03:26.375 --> 1:03:30.055
<v Speaker 2>the required minimum, and they still got one hundred millimeters

1:03:30.095 --> 1:03:32.455
<v Speaker 2>of rain through the house of flood water through the house,

1:03:32.895 --> 1:03:35.615
<v Speaker 2>and they went six hundred mile above the flood zone.

1:03:36.295 --> 1:03:38.815
<v Speaker 14>That's where the new you know, everything's done on concrete.

1:03:38.855 --> 1:03:40.855
<v Speaker 14>Concrete is on ground level, isn't it and the water

1:03:40.935 --> 1:03:43.255
<v Speaker 14>backs up behind that. Whereas the old days and with

1:03:43.415 --> 1:03:46.295
<v Speaker 14>often everything it was good and we thought most things

1:03:46.295 --> 1:03:48.135
<v Speaker 14>were on past because they knew they had flooding, but

1:03:48.175 --> 1:03:50.495
<v Speaker 14>they probably weren't. They should be at two meters off

1:03:50.495 --> 1:03:51.975
<v Speaker 14>the ground as a bit of the one meter off

1:03:51.975 --> 1:03:52.415
<v Speaker 14>the ground.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I've been out to sat West Aokland houses

1:03:55.575 --> 1:03:58.495
<v Speaker 2>as well that were alongside the creek and they got flooded,

1:03:58.695 --> 1:04:01.575
<v Speaker 2>not in the January floods, but in floods from two

1:04:01.695 --> 1:04:06.655
<v Speaker 2>three years ago. So it's going to be a real challenge.

1:04:06.775 --> 1:04:09.375
<v Speaker 14>And also, Pete, you've got a lot of these I know,

1:04:09.415 --> 1:04:10.935
<v Speaker 14>a lot of streets and we're thought we're used to

1:04:10.975 --> 1:04:13.775
<v Speaker 14>living in their blind and like the whole side of

1:04:13.815 --> 1:04:16.215
<v Speaker 14>the streets was underwater the other side of it because

1:04:16.215 --> 1:04:19.935
<v Speaker 14>they build these. Of course, the build the street alongside

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<v Speaker 14>the creek because it's nice flat land and it's the

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<v Speaker 14>geology to build a straight road on. Of course it's

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<v Speaker 14>on flat land, and that whole side of the street

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<v Speaker 14>basically is a council buying them out, but some people

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<v Speaker 14>are going to hold out, so you're getting the houses

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<v Speaker 14>being removed, but people living in the house next to it,

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<v Speaker 14>because they've bought it cheap and they've renovated it. I

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<v Speaker 14>just think, why would you buy it cheap and renovated

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<v Speaker 14>it because it's going to get, you know, something to

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<v Speaker 14>blood recently at two hundred bills. Yet to say it's

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<v Speaker 14>going to happen again, isn't it It's going to happen again.

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<v Speaker 12>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Undoubtedly we're going to have more and more flooding, without

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<v Speaker 2>a doubt. I appreciate the call and the insights much appreciated.

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<v Speaker 2>And again, if you're wondering what I'm talking about, and

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know that, it's all councils around the country,

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<v Speaker 2>so please forgive me for being a bit Auckland centric.

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<v Speaker 2>But flood view is a new tool, a new website

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<v Speaker 2>that's been developed that shows updated and I've found it

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<v Speaker 2>to be eerily accurate in terms of you know, what

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<v Speaker 2>I remember from the floods from last year to what

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<v Speaker 2>is now on flood Viewer. So it is you can

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<v Speaker 2>whittle away a happy couple of hours googling your friend's

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<v Speaker 2>addresses to see whether they're in the new flood signs.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to

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<v Speaker 2>call Bob. Greetings to you, sir.

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<v Speaker 12>Yes, situation we got up in TOWERU was my daughter's

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<v Speaker 12>sewer pipe blocked up, So I thought, right here, we'll

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<v Speaker 12>dig up ourselves. We've got the plumber and to come

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<v Speaker 12>and check it out for us. I understood that when

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<v Speaker 12>you got to your boundary, anything over the boundary was

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<v Speaker 12>the councils problem. However, the sewer pipe ran down the road,

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<v Speaker 12>across another section and then finally tapped into the main

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<v Speaker 12>sewer pipe in TOWERU. We are responsible for that if

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<v Speaker 12>we had to dig up the road get to the

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<v Speaker 12>pipe between my boundary and the connecting pipe. Well, I thought,

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<v Speaker 12>once you got to your boundary, that regional problem and

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<v Speaker 12>the rest of them blind to countils. But under the

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<v Speaker 12>by law and the tarooas, no, they don't. It's irresponsible

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<v Speaker 12>to taps into their main pipe, which was you know,

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<v Speaker 12>a good klimitter down the road. So it would it

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<v Speaker 12>mean we were to get roading people in signs et

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<v Speaker 12>cet etector sector. Is that a common thing?

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<v Speaker 2>I think the key to what you're talking about is

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<v Speaker 2>that it's your private drainage. So even if your private

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<v Speaker 2>drainage goes through somebody else's property until it connects to

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<v Speaker 2>the public line. It is still your responsibility despite the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that it's not on your property per se.

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<v Speaker 12>Okay, because it's still the understanding. Right, So if you

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<v Speaker 12>were if you've unfortunately got one that runs a mile

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<v Speaker 12>and a half down the road where it taps into

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<v Speaker 12>the main system. God only knows why it would do that,

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<v Speaker 12>but then you are responsible for if that what's up

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<v Speaker 12>digging up the roadway, et cetera, et cetera. Yep, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 12>because I did ring the mayor at CAW and she

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<v Speaker 12>shaid up with a law put into their by laws,

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<v Speaker 12>you know, one hundred years ago that that was the

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<v Speaker 12>rules and they couldn't change it.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh yeah, yeah. I think it really all defend comes

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<v Speaker 2>down to is it private? And in this instance, I

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<v Speaker 2>think it is private and therefore it's your responsibility.

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<v Speaker 12>Is how we did mention it a few of the

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<v Speaker 12>locals up there, and they didn't They didn't have the

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<v Speaker 12>foggiest they know that it wouldn't be that way what

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<v Speaker 12>it is.

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<v Speaker 2>And in some cases I know of situations where people

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<v Speaker 2>have been they've wanted to do some extensions and part

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<v Speaker 2>of you know, the drainage has been that they are

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<v Speaker 2>then asked to upgrade some of the public lines as well,

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<v Speaker 2>or contribute to the upgrading of public lines, and like

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<v Speaker 2>that gets expensive very very quickly.

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<v Speaker 12>That's what I mean, that we've got out of the

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<v Speaker 12>cost for us to do anything. I mean, luckily we

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<v Speaker 12>did manage to unlock it to the boundary and solved

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<v Speaker 12>the problem. But when we made inquiries, if this goes on,

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<v Speaker 12>who pays for it?

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<v Speaker 4>You? You do?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, until it's a public line. Yeah, all right, nice

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<v Speaker 2>to talk to you all the best, take care of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Your news talks, he'd be. It's seven forty three. And

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<v Speaker 2>if you've got a question of a building nature, the

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<v Speaker 2>lines are open. The number is eight hundred and eighty

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<v Speaker 2>ten eighty. Your news Talks, he'd be. And this is

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<v Speaker 2>the resident builder on Sunday. And we like to take

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<v Speaker 2>a deep dive into sometimes some very specific parts of

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<v Speaker 2>building compliance. And I know sometimes when we talk about

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<v Speaker 2>these things, it's it's easy for the eyes to glaze

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<v Speaker 2>over and all the rest of it. So we're trying

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<v Speaker 2>to have a look at it. In particular H one

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<v Speaker 2>of the Building Code, but there's other parts of the

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<v Speaker 2>Building Code that relate directly to glazing, and one of

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<v Speaker 2>the challenges that I've found, and I've done a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of many years of work alongside Metro Performance Glass talking

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<v Speaker 2>about glazing, particularly around double glazing retro fitting, because of

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<v Speaker 2>all of the benefits that it brings in terms of warm, dry, comfortable.

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<v Speaker 2>But we also one of the challenges when you talk

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<v Speaker 2>about glasses because you look through it, right, so we

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<v Speaker 2>don't often appreciate how it fits into some very very

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<v Speaker 2>important parts of the building code. So to discuss this

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit further, it's a pleasure to welcome back

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<v Speaker 2>to the program. Mc carty Jones from Metro Performance Glass.

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<v Speaker 2>Very good morning, Nick, Good morning Peters.

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<v Speaker 8>Thanks having us.

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<v Speaker 2>And that is one of the challenges when we're talking

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<v Speaker 2>about glass is often because we look through it, we

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<v Speaker 2>kind of can tend to ignore it. But in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of our building envelope and what we build, glasses and

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<v Speaker 2>glazing is really really important in it, and it's embedded

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<v Speaker 2>into the building code. And so within the building code

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<v Speaker 2>we've got all of these different sections A through to

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<v Speaker 2>about eof or something that and we've got B one,

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<v Speaker 2>B two, F two and H one. So H one,

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<v Speaker 2>let's start with that energy efficiency. There's been significant changes

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<v Speaker 2>to the requirements as of November last year. How are

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<v Speaker 2>you starting to see the impact of that.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, that's some questions.

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<v Speaker 7>So you're right.

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<v Speaker 8>So all clauses in the Building Code, the one probably

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<v Speaker 8>had the most work and most appeached in the last

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<v Speaker 8>couple of years is certainly H one. So what H

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<v Speaker 8>one does. It essentially specifies what the thermal performance requirements

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<v Speaker 8>are of individual building materials. And so when you're talking

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<v Speaker 8>about insulation, it really came down to windows, wall, roof

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<v Speaker 8>and some slab insulation components. So hey, windows, Undoubtedly we're

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<v Speaker 8>a big ticket in that about fifty percent of the

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<v Speaker 8>heat loss in homes NBA discovered can come from windows

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<v Speaker 8>that might be through the glass that mon't be through

1:11:02.695 --> 1:11:06.055
<v Speaker 8>the joinery. So look with that change come through. Essentially,

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<v Speaker 8>what it means is as you're building a new home,

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<v Speaker 8>to build to the current H one standard, it will

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<v Speaker 8>largely mean in New Zealand you must be using lowy

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<v Speaker 8>double glazing, will need to be arg and filled, and

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<v Speaker 8>the frame itself will now need to be thermally broken

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<v Speaker 8>rather than a solid piece of aluminium will need to

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<v Speaker 8>have a thermal break to prevent that heat loss or

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<v Speaker 8>transfer to the outside of the building. So, yeah, what

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<v Speaker 8>we're seeing a strong uptake in that. You know, a

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<v Speaker 8>few years ago, maybe only twenty to thirty percent of

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<v Speaker 8>homes we're having low e double glazing with argam installed

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<v Speaker 8>in them. And now you know, with that uptake it

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<v Speaker 8>will be well over seventy percent nationwide.

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<v Speaker 2>And one of the challenges, know is with some of

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<v Speaker 2>your team at field Days a couple of weeks ago,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, you've got that classic little display with

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<v Speaker 2>four heat lamps and four different types of double glazing,

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<v Speaker 2>and that unless you really know what you're looking at,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't really hell, just looking at the glass what

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<v Speaker 2>the difference is, but the way in which it's put together,

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<v Speaker 2>when you put your hand over it and you feel

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<v Speaker 2>the difference in the heat, you can see it working

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<v Speaker 2>or you can feel it working, because of course it's

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<v Speaker 2>really hard to see it working. It's got to be

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<v Speaker 2>quite you know. And this is where as we're talking

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<v Speaker 2>about those those really specific elements of how the double

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<v Speaker 2>glazed unit is assembled out of what type of glass,

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<v Speaker 2>with what types of coatings, with what type of gas

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<v Speaker 2>inside it, it actually makes quite a big.

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<v Speaker 7>Difference, Yeah, it does.

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<v Speaker 8>It makes a substantial difference. So I guess that's where

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<v Speaker 8>technology has really played a big part in in the

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<v Speaker 8>window industry. So, going back ten years ago, probably when

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<v Speaker 8>you were building, people didn't see if you were using

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<v Speaker 8>lowe you could really see the coatings. They looked almost

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<v Speaker 8>a little bit cloudy, a little bit hazy over the glass, right,

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<v Speaker 8>Whereas as you say, with technology that lowy coating is

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<v Speaker 8>virtually invisible to the naked eye, and yet the performance

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<v Speaker 8>is substantially stronger. So you know, as we say, we're

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<v Speaker 8>getting lifted and performance of sort of anywhere in the

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<v Speaker 8>range of four to five times what clear doubglazing had

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<v Speaker 8>been through these almost visible coatings on the surface of

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<v Speaker 8>a glass.

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<v Speaker 2>Now you mentioned too around safety, and this is another

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<v Speaker 2>element I think that's changed well dramatically with glazing is

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<v Speaker 2>the requirement for it to have some provision for safety

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of impact resistance, right. And I can very

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<v Speaker 2>clearly remember being at school quite a few years ago

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<v Speaker 2>now and a door swung back and a guy put

1:13:44.575 --> 1:13:46.735
<v Speaker 2>his arm up to stop it, and he went straight

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<v Speaker 2>through the glass, right, and the wounds were horrific. So

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<v Speaker 2>these days glazing also needs to ensure safety in if

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<v Speaker 2>you did fall against it, and how does that impact

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<v Speaker 2>the glazing as well and what's being installed in houses.

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<v Speaker 8>It's a good question. So obviously, you know with retrofitting,

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<v Speaker 8>where we're taking out a a pain of single blazing

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<v Speaker 8>typically just annealed glass, and we're putting in a brand

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<v Speaker 8>new double glazed unit. You know, we commonly get asked,

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<v Speaker 8>you know, doesn't require a building consent.

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<v Speaker 6>To do that.

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<v Speaker 8>Now, typically it doesn't. See, you can go and replace

1:14:22.775 --> 1:14:26.975
<v Speaker 8>that element. But in saying that, when you do replace it,

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<v Speaker 8>you still do need to meet these clauses of the

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<v Speaker 8>Building Code. And as you say, one of those talks

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<v Speaker 8>about Clause F two talks about hazardous materials and buildings.

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<v Speaker 8>So how do you manage to make sure you're not

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<v Speaker 8>putting hazardous materials into the building? Well, the Building Code

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<v Speaker 8>talks about glazing that needs to meet human impact requirements.

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<v Speaker 8>So if you've got glazing that's you know, full white glazing,

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<v Speaker 8>might be a door panel or something like that, or

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<v Speaker 8>you might have glazing within sort of eight hundred millimeters

1:14:56.455 --> 1:14:59.855
<v Speaker 8>of the floor. The Building Codes really really specifically tells

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<v Speaker 8>you what that glass must be in order to be

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<v Speaker 8>safe for human occupancy. So as we go around and

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<v Speaker 8>we do retrofitting, will typically removed these panes of glass

1:15:10.295 --> 1:15:13.295
<v Speaker 8>and where it does is required to be a safety glass.

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<v Speaker 8>Come from safety glass. We put that glass in place,

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<v Speaker 8>so you're actually lifting the total safety leaders of the

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<v Speaker 8>home and you're actually bringing in terms of the glass

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<v Speaker 8>compliance up to modern standards just by the process of retrofitting.

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<v Speaker 2>Your home, right, And that's I mean again, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>for any of us that have seen the impact of

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<v Speaker 2>what happens when somebody goes through a glass pain or

1:15:36.735 --> 1:15:39.095
<v Speaker 2>something like that, you know, you go, man, I'm so

1:15:39.135 --> 1:15:42.455
<v Speaker 2>pleased that those rules have tightened up so considerably.

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<v Speaker 8>Absolutely, and it is so important. You know, the critical

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<v Speaker 8>difference between safety glass and that steendar glass, as you say,

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<v Speaker 8>is exactly it's how the glass breaks. With safety glass,

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<v Speaker 8>it breaks into very very fine peebles of glass as

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<v Speaker 8>opposed to big, long shards and so hey, some of

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<v Speaker 8>the really progressive work that's been done around the building

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<v Speaker 8>code has been clear on where those tough and panes

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<v Speaker 8>of safety glass must be. For example, in a bathroom,

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<v Speaker 8>any any wet area within two meters of the floor,

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<v Speaker 8>all of that glass from the inside must be tough

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<v Speaker 8>and safety glass. So if you did have a slip

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<v Speaker 8>and you'd have a fall of your arm did reach

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<v Speaker 8>out and had a window, You're going to be hitting

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<v Speaker 8>a safety pane of glass as opposed to a pain

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<v Speaker 8>that would shatter and form some big long shards. And

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<v Speaker 8>schools are really similar as well, So all of the

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<v Speaker 8>glazing going into schools these days is required to be

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<v Speaker 8>that safety glass as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and that's where this particular event happened actually, But

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<v Speaker 2>I mean we're talking forty odd years ago, so no

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<v Speaker 2>wonder things have changed. And the last thing I just

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to touch on as well is that, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I've been inside some houses during a storm where these

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<v Speaker 2>big bits of glazing looking out at the wind basically,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm seeing them deflect. So obviously when you're doing

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<v Speaker 2>large section glazing, there's also then a whole lot of

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<v Speaker 2>things there around the structure, their ability to withstand wind

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<v Speaker 2>in particular.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 8>Absolutely, So again in the in in one of those

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<v Speaker 8>structural clause of the building Code, it will nominate how

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<v Speaker 8>much deflection and things of building material including glass can

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<v Speaker 8>have and still be deemed to be compliant and working

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<v Speaker 8>well and safely for that building. And so you know,

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<v Speaker 8>we spend a lot of time looking at the different

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<v Speaker 8>wind zones and positioning of glass and homes and coming

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<v Speaker 8>up with the absolute right specification of that glass and

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<v Speaker 8>how thick does that glass need to be for its size,

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<v Speaker 8>its location in the wind zone, to ensure that we're

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<v Speaker 8>not getting that big draft of wind comes through and

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<v Speaker 8>can essentially damage or break a window, and specify the

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<v Speaker 8>unit to meet those requires.

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<v Speaker 2>To meet those requirements, it's a lot more technical than

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<v Speaker 2>it seems at first glance, and that's why we're talking

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<v Speaker 2>to an expert like yourself.

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<v Speaker 19>Nick.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks very much for joining us this morning on the program.

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<v Speaker 2>Much appreciated. Thanks you all of this. McCarty jones from

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<v Speaker 2>Metro Performance Glass check him out online. There's a lot

1:18:10.695 --> 1:18:12.855
<v Speaker 2>of good information there. Back after the break.

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<v Speaker 10>In the whole street of the high we took a

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<v Speaker 10>hard left, but we're all.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, very good morning, welcome back to the program. Oh

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<v Speaker 2>eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you've got a

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<v Speaker 2>quick comment to make. We're talking quite a bit about

1:18:55.695 --> 1:18:59.895
<v Speaker 2>granny flats for good reason, because the government put out

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<v Speaker 2>some information at the beginning of the week calling for

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<v Speaker 2>submissions about proposed changes. So we've talked about that to

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<v Speaker 2>be fair, and I love your opinion because it's opinion.

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<v Speaker 2>What I find a bit frustrating is when you hear

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<v Speaker 2>commentary in the media from people that are supposed to

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<v Speaker 2>know what they're talking about but don't. And so I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to get around that by going to someone who

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<v Speaker 2>does know what they're talking about. So before we jump

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<v Speaker 2>into the garden with rud Klein passed at eight thirty

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<v Speaker 2>this morning, we're going to be talking with Hamish Firth,

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<v Speaker 2>planner at Mount Hobson Group. He's been on the show

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of times planning issues, very good grasp of

1:19:36.375 --> 1:19:39.855
<v Speaker 2>the legislation, understands what all the implications are of making

1:19:39.975 --> 1:19:42.295
<v Speaker 2>changes like this. So we're going to have a chat

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<v Speaker 2>with him in about ten minutes as well. We'll take

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<v Speaker 2>your calls right now. And I mean a lot of texts.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, this is interesting, and this is kind of

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<v Speaker 2>where this is an exemplar of the sort of complexity

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<v Speaker 2>that's going to emerge once we start to try and

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<v Speaker 2>pin down legislation on this. Hey, Pete, if these granny

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<v Speaker 2>flats don't need a building consent, will they need the

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<v Speaker 2>five odd building inspections during construction? If so, what's the

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<v Speaker 2>point of employing an LBP, as they still cannot apply

1:20:13.335 --> 1:20:16.895
<v Speaker 2>the code without costly inspections. Is this going to end

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<v Speaker 2>up as a bit of a scam, Well, no, Chris.

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<v Speaker 2>The whole point of not having a building consent theoretically

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<v Speaker 2>is that there won't be any council inspections. And I

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<v Speaker 2>notice that in the brief discussion pieces that have come

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<v Speaker 2>out from the government, they're talking about a trusted builder.

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<v Speaker 2>They're not using the word LBP because lbp's licensed building

1:20:38.535 --> 1:20:42.455
<v Speaker 2>practitioners have to do restricted building work. Restricted building work

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<v Speaker 2>is basically work that requires a building consent. This is

1:20:45.455 --> 1:20:48.255
<v Speaker 2>going to be work that may not necessarily require a

1:20:48.255 --> 1:20:52.935
<v Speaker 2>building consent, in which case there won't be any council inspections,

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<v Speaker 2>in which case, if you're buying one down the track,

1:20:56.055 --> 1:21:00.215
<v Speaker 2>how do you know it's any good? Those are the

1:21:00.255 --> 1:21:01.855
<v Speaker 2>issues we're going to be dealing with. So we'll be

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<v Speaker 2>talking about that with Hamish Firth very soon. Donald, greetings

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<v Speaker 2>to you, sir.

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<v Speaker 19>Good morning. I'm splitting to that man with a double glazing?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes?

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<v Speaker 19>Can I Can I get double glazing put in my windows?

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<v Speaker 19>Existing windows?

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<v Speaker 2>Most likely?

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<v Speaker 19>Yes, like the frame almenium and everything.

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<v Speaker 13>Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>So I know from because I do quite a bit

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<v Speaker 2>of work with Metro performance Glass, right so, and they

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<v Speaker 2>do retro fit double glazing retro DG. And from what

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<v Speaker 2>my discussions with their technical team has been that about

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<v Speaker 2>ninety five percent of aluminium joinery they've got the right

1:21:41.815 --> 1:21:45.015
<v Speaker 2>extrusions to be able to take out your existing single

1:21:45.055 --> 1:21:48.695
<v Speaker 2>glazing and put in double glazing. Now if in some

1:21:48.735 --> 1:21:53.575
<v Speaker 2>situations the sash won't accept a piece of double glazing,

1:21:53.615 --> 1:21:55.295
<v Speaker 2>because you've got to remember, if you've got four more

1:21:55.295 --> 1:21:57.375
<v Speaker 2>glass in there at the moment, or even three mil

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<v Speaker 2>and then you're going to put double glazing in, it's

1:21:59.975 --> 1:22:03.335
<v Speaker 2>going to be at least sixteen millimeters thick, possibly even

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<v Speaker 2>a bit more depending on how it's put together. So

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<v Speaker 2>not all sashes will be able to be adapted, in

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<v Speaker 2>which case they'll just make a new sash and install

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<v Speaker 2>that into an existing window frame.

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<v Speaker 19>My house is fifty three years old.

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<v Speaker 2>See, the challenge will be is that overall the condition

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<v Speaker 2>of your in its aluminium joinery. Yes, yes, see it's funny,

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<v Speaker 2>isn't it. I mean, I still think of aluminium jowinery

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<v Speaker 2>as kind of modern, but then I realize that a

1:22:33.695 --> 1:22:36.295
<v Speaker 2>lot of it's as old as I am, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not modern anymore. And so in some cases you may

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<v Speaker 2>find that the actual joinery itself is getting to the

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<v Speaker 2>end of its expected lifespan, you know. But and in

1:22:49.455 --> 1:22:52.015
<v Speaker 2>that case, you know you've got to make a decision.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you just say, actually, what I'm going to do

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<v Speaker 2>is remove the entire windows suite, Because when we're talking

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<v Speaker 2>about windows, I think sometimes we forget that there's two

1:22:59.455 --> 1:23:02.655
<v Speaker 2>components to it. There's the frame and the glazing, and

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<v Speaker 2>the combination of the joinery and the glazing make up

1:23:06.615 --> 1:23:11.015
<v Speaker 2>a window, for example. And what you might find is that,

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<v Speaker 2>in fact, the overall condition of the aluminum joinery as

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<v Speaker 2>such that you could put the investment into the double glazing,

1:23:17.655 --> 1:23:21.695
<v Speaker 2>but you've still got poorly performing frames, in which case

1:23:21.735 --> 1:23:24.255
<v Speaker 2>may be replacing the whole lot, which is doable. That

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<v Speaker 2>would probably trigger requirement for a building consent, by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>But look, there's there's heaps of information online and some

1:23:30.815 --> 1:23:34.095
<v Speaker 2>of the stuff that Nick was talking about. Have a

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<v Speaker 2>look at the Metro Glass Metro Performance Glass website, and

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<v Speaker 2>then for specific information on double glazing, you can check

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<v Speaker 2>out retrodg dot co dot nz as well. It is

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<v Speaker 2>let me see twelve minutes after eight here at newstalk ZB.

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<v Speaker 1>News Talk ZB.

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<v Speaker 2>Great opportunity this morning to catch up with Mike Olds

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<v Speaker 2>from Razine Construction Systems, a regular contributor to the show.

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<v Speaker 2>There's always new things happening, Mike, what's up?

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<v Speaker 4>There's plenty happening at the moment. Pete, thanks, and today

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<v Speaker 4>I just want to touch based on some of the

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<v Speaker 4>features and benefits of the plaster clouding systems we have

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<v Speaker 4>available in.

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<v Speaker 5>The market now.

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<v Speaker 4>There's a variety of solutions available from our lightweight concrete system,

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<v Speaker 4>which is one of the most popular in the market

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<v Speaker 4>due to its durability, strength and acoustic properties. But there's

1:24:26.855 --> 1:24:30.815
<v Speaker 4>also our insulator facade systems, our masonry RNDOUS system, So

1:24:30.815 --> 1:24:32.695
<v Speaker 4>if you have an existing brick house and you're looking

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<v Speaker 4>do some renovation work, there's our full masonry RNDOW systems.

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<v Speaker 4>One of the key things with the plastic clouding systems

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<v Speaker 4>is there flat surface, so they're very low maintenance in

1:24:42.975 --> 1:24:45.215
<v Speaker 4>terms of that easy to clean, and they're easy to

1:24:45.215 --> 1:24:47.815
<v Speaker 4>repaint when you need and you can also easily change

1:24:47.815 --> 1:24:51.295
<v Speaker 4>the color going forward if view if the property sells

1:24:51.335 --> 1:24:53.615
<v Speaker 4>to new owners and they don't like the color that

1:24:53.695 --> 1:24:55.455
<v Speaker 4>you had on the house, so you can easily change

1:24:55.455 --> 1:24:58.655
<v Speaker 4>and update those things. Part of being a Rasine Construction

1:24:58.735 --> 1:25:01.735
<v Speaker 4>business or Razine Group business is that we're genuine razine

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<v Speaker 4>colored plaster finishes as well. We also include a fifteen

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<v Speaker 4>They've been brands tested and really important is the LBP

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<v Speaker 4>quality and the professionalism of contractors that know their trade

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<v Speaker 4>and they do it very very well.

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<v Speaker 2>There's some real certainty in that, and I think to

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<v Speaker 2>find out more check it out online. It is Razineconstruction

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<v Speaker 2>dot co dot NZ. Mike, good to talk to you.

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<v Speaker 12>So.

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<v Speaker 3>There was much.

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<v Speaker 2>Fanfare at the beginning of the week around a government

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<v Speaker 2>initiative to provide affordable housing, right and so one of

1:26:50.895 --> 1:26:54.295
<v Speaker 2>the ideas is, hey, what about we let people build

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<v Speaker 2>up to sixty square meters in your back garden on

1:26:57.735 --> 1:27:02.655
<v Speaker 2>an existing house without necessarily having a building consent And

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<v Speaker 2>everyone went, oh gosh, that sounds like a good idea.

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<v Speaker 2>Now at this stage it's all about consultation. So I

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<v Speaker 2>flicked a quick email to Hamish Firth, who's been on

1:27:11.735 --> 1:27:14.095
<v Speaker 2>this show a number of times, and I put to

1:27:14.175 --> 1:27:16.295
<v Speaker 2>him a number of questions. And the reason that I'm

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<v Speaker 2>consulting with Hamish is you're a planner. You've probably seen

1:27:19.895 --> 1:27:22.215
<v Speaker 2>these sorts of proposals, and I guess you've got an

1:27:22.255 --> 1:27:27.775
<v Speaker 2>insight into what are the likely outcomes of how complex

1:27:27.895 --> 1:27:31.575
<v Speaker 2>is this going to be to administer in whatever way

1:27:31.775 --> 1:27:35.015
<v Speaker 2>it ends up becoming law hamous, Good morning and welcome

1:27:35.055 --> 1:27:35.415
<v Speaker 2>to the show.

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<v Speaker 3>Good morning, morning, morning morning. Two words for you, game changer.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's take one step back. Game changer at three levels.

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<v Speaker 3>The first level is a hat tip to our politicians.

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<v Speaker 3>So we've spent six years dancing around the issue of

1:27:52.455 --> 1:27:56.735
<v Speaker 3>housing affordability and zone changes and not a lot happened,

1:27:57.135 --> 1:27:59.655
<v Speaker 3>and within six months we've got a discussion document that

1:27:59.775 --> 1:28:03.855
<v Speaker 3>points in the right direction. Second, this is the beginning

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<v Speaker 3>and this goes to your question about beginning of a

1:28:07.455 --> 1:28:11.455
<v Speaker 3>process of getting counsel away from the last man standing

1:28:11.495 --> 1:28:14.215
<v Speaker 3>in terms of liability and getting them to be the

1:28:14.375 --> 1:28:19.575
<v Speaker 3>keeper of the record. And then thirdly for the homeowner,

1:28:20.215 --> 1:28:23.815
<v Speaker 3>so whether it's granny literally, whether it's the teenager, whether

1:28:23.855 --> 1:28:26.855
<v Speaker 3>it's the uncle coming home, whether it's extended family or

1:28:26.895 --> 1:28:29.295
<v Speaker 3>far now, or whether you just want to rent this

1:28:29.415 --> 1:28:33.295
<v Speaker 3>out and make some money. This provides at that high

1:28:33.375 --> 1:28:37.615
<v Speaker 3>level a simple opportunity across the country from the top

1:28:37.695 --> 1:28:39.935
<v Speaker 3>to the bottom. That we have a regulation and standard.

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<v Speaker 3>The second part of it, which is to your question,

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<v Speaker 3>is the devil will be in the detail. And I

1:28:46.255 --> 1:28:48.935
<v Speaker 3>think it's really really important that we get it right.

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<v Speaker 3>We get it right in terms of where these can

1:28:51.975 --> 1:28:55.615
<v Speaker 3>be located. We don't want these in flood zones, exacerbating flooding.

1:28:55.815 --> 1:28:57.895
<v Speaker 3>We want to make sure that we've got the connections.

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<v Speaker 3>We also don't want to create a swetto where you

1:29:00.935 --> 1:29:03.855
<v Speaker 3>walk into a yard and there's tenery. So is it

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<v Speaker 3>one sixty square meter two thirty? How are they connected

1:29:08.735 --> 1:29:12.335
<v Speaker 3>to the pipework. I think I think we can still

1:29:12.335 --> 1:29:14.895
<v Speaker 3>get that right. I think this discussion document which is

1:29:14.895 --> 1:29:18.375
<v Speaker 3>calling for submissions, you know, we need the insurance Council

1:29:18.415 --> 1:29:20.655
<v Speaker 3>to be involved here to say, okay, how are we

1:29:20.695 --> 1:29:23.175
<v Speaker 3>going to deal with these? We need, you know, the

1:29:23.255 --> 1:29:25.735
<v Speaker 3>legal teams to come in and say how would we

1:29:25.775 --> 1:29:28.615
<v Speaker 3>deal with these? In terms of limbs and I'm coming

1:29:28.615 --> 1:29:31.455
<v Speaker 3>to buy one, has it been built properly? And then thirdly,

1:29:31.535 --> 1:29:34.575
<v Speaker 3>we want to make sure that there is light regulation

1:29:34.695 --> 1:29:36.975
<v Speaker 3>around them so that we don't end up having people

1:29:37.015 --> 1:29:40.015
<v Speaker 3>living in car crates because the quality goes to zero.

1:29:42.135 --> 1:29:46.015
<v Speaker 2>So let's let's take a couple of things straight off

1:29:46.015 --> 1:29:50.095
<v Speaker 2>the bat site coverage rules, we would expect expect still

1:29:50.135 --> 1:29:53.255
<v Speaker 2>to comply. So let's say I think you know, I'm

1:29:53.255 --> 1:29:55.855
<v Speaker 2>on five hundred square meters, my house is two hundred.

1:29:57.095 --> 1:29:59.735
<v Speaker 2>I've got enough space, and I wouldn't be at fifty percent.

1:29:59.735 --> 1:30:02.015
<v Speaker 2>But let's say you're already at fifty percent site coverage.

1:30:02.055 --> 1:30:04.095
<v Speaker 2>Could you squeeze another unit on? Would that be a

1:30:04.135 --> 1:30:04.615
<v Speaker 2>good idea?

1:30:05.615 --> 1:30:05.695
<v Speaker 4>No?

1:30:05.855 --> 1:30:08.135
<v Speaker 3>I think again, we've got to use the existing rules

1:30:08.135 --> 1:30:11.575
<v Speaker 3>as a guide. If you read that discussion document, plans

1:30:11.575 --> 1:30:14.335
<v Speaker 3>proper plans still have to be drawn. I think we

1:30:14.375 --> 1:30:17.255
<v Speaker 3>should use the yard boundaries, the hate to boundaries of

1:30:17.335 --> 1:30:20.175
<v Speaker 3>the typical controls. In other words, make the unit a

1:30:20.215 --> 1:30:23.455
<v Speaker 3>permitted activity, but make it fit within that sort of

1:30:23.495 --> 1:30:28.495
<v Speaker 3>regulatory framework that we have now so that people's experts.

1:30:28.495 --> 1:30:30.055
<v Speaker 3>You're not going to have buildings built right on the

1:30:30.055 --> 1:30:34.775
<v Speaker 3>boundary without fire rating. You're not going to have stormwater

1:30:34.935 --> 1:30:39.655
<v Speaker 3>overflow exacerbated by over coverage. So I think we use

1:30:39.735 --> 1:30:42.255
<v Speaker 3>those as a really good guide and you can ply

1:30:42.375 --> 1:30:44.975
<v Speaker 3>with those. I also think that, and you probably hearing

1:30:45.015 --> 1:30:47.015
<v Speaker 3>my voice, Pete, I'm excited about this. This is a

1:30:47.055 --> 1:30:49.975
<v Speaker 3>game changer. I think that we should be collecting development

1:30:50.015 --> 1:30:52.015
<v Speaker 3>contributions on this there is still going to be pressure

1:30:52.055 --> 1:30:53.735
<v Speaker 3>on the services. There's still going to be pressure on

1:30:53.775 --> 1:30:56.215
<v Speaker 3>the parks and the stormwater and the sewer. So a

1:30:56.295 --> 1:30:58.655
<v Speaker 3>tick box says you go to counsel and say here's

1:30:58.655 --> 1:31:01.895
<v Speaker 3>what I've done. I heard you say it's trusted builder.

1:31:02.255 --> 1:31:04.975
<v Speaker 3>I think it should be a licensed building practitioner. I

1:31:05.015 --> 1:31:07.575
<v Speaker 3>think that the plumber who signs in the same way

1:31:07.735 --> 1:31:11.455
<v Speaker 3>US Sparky does. Yes, Sparkis aren't regulated by council. They

1:31:11.495 --> 1:31:14.335
<v Speaker 3>provide their CCC to the homeowner or to the license

1:31:14.375 --> 1:31:17.735
<v Speaker 3>building practitioner. But this is where I talk about counsel

1:31:17.775 --> 1:31:19.655
<v Speaker 3>being the keeper of the record rather than the last

1:31:19.655 --> 1:31:23.815
<v Speaker 3>man's standing. So we make the licensed plumber present his

1:31:23.855 --> 1:31:26.055
<v Speaker 3>certificate to confirm he's done it to code. We make

1:31:26.095 --> 1:31:28.695
<v Speaker 3>the LVB do the same, so that we know the

1:31:28.855 --> 1:31:31.935
<v Speaker 3>unit meets healthy home standards. Ye, so that we know

1:31:31.975 --> 1:31:34.895
<v Speaker 3>it's been built properly and put on properly. But it's

1:31:34.935 --> 1:31:36.535
<v Speaker 3>not that you need to consent for it. All you

1:31:36.575 --> 1:31:38.655
<v Speaker 3>need to do is show council you've done it. That

1:31:38.695 --> 1:31:40.615
<v Speaker 3>you have to have that tick box that will go

1:31:40.695 --> 1:31:44.175
<v Speaker 3>on the limb and the liability moves from council back

1:31:44.175 --> 1:31:45.815
<v Speaker 3>to those licensed building practitioners.

1:31:46.335 --> 1:31:50.335
<v Speaker 2>So typically things like connecting, you know, changing connections to

1:31:50.735 --> 1:31:53.695
<v Speaker 2>a sewer line, for example, triggers a requirement for building consent.

1:31:53.775 --> 1:31:55.695
<v Speaker 2>So if you're going to add a minor dwelling that's

1:31:55.735 --> 1:31:57.975
<v Speaker 2>got a toilet in the kitchen and a shower and

1:31:58.015 --> 1:32:00.535
<v Speaker 2>those sorts of things, and you're adding to the sewer system,

1:32:00.935 --> 1:32:03.055
<v Speaker 2>do you think council will want to jump in then

1:32:03.135 --> 1:32:04.295
<v Speaker 2>and demand a building consent?

1:32:05.015 --> 1:32:06.695
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and again I don't think we need too. We

1:32:06.815 --> 1:32:09.735
<v Speaker 3>trust electricians with our lives, you know, I don't the

1:32:09.815 --> 1:32:12.615
<v Speaker 3>lights a shop and die, So why can't we trust

1:32:12.615 --> 1:32:17.535
<v Speaker 3>the plumber to connect the pipework to the public system correctly?

1:32:18.135 --> 1:32:19.095
<v Speaker 2>And maybe.

1:32:20.255 --> 1:32:22.975
<v Speaker 3>A record of works photographs? So, in other words, we

1:32:23.015 --> 1:32:25.695
<v Speaker 3>have a regulatory system that says you must submit eight

1:32:25.695 --> 1:32:28.815
<v Speaker 3>photos of the pipework going in and it being batfilled correctly.

1:32:29.335 --> 1:32:31.255
<v Speaker 3>So if you've done that and it's been done correctly,

1:32:31.855 --> 1:32:33.615
<v Speaker 3>why do we need someone to come and inspect it.

1:32:34.495 --> 1:32:36.455
<v Speaker 2>We've talked about this a little bit on the program today,

1:32:36.495 --> 1:32:39.535
<v Speaker 2>and one of the suggestions would be that any of

1:32:39.575 --> 1:32:41.935
<v Speaker 2>these types of dwellings, none of them should have a

1:32:41.975 --> 1:32:44.215
<v Speaker 2>concrete slab is that kind of where you would think

1:32:44.255 --> 1:32:46.815
<v Speaker 2>that it would be so that anything was above ground

1:32:46.895 --> 1:32:47.895
<v Speaker 2>rather than on the ground.

1:32:48.975 --> 1:32:51.455
<v Speaker 3>I think that we keep it as simple as possible.

1:32:52.335 --> 1:32:53.975
<v Speaker 3>At this stage. We can let's send two or three

1:32:54.015 --> 1:32:55.655
<v Speaker 3>years time this has bettered down. Well, then we can

1:32:55.655 --> 1:32:57.895
<v Speaker 3>look at concrete slabs going and let's look at it.

1:32:58.135 --> 1:33:00.295
<v Speaker 3>It has to be on sex foundations in the way

1:33:00.335 --> 1:33:02.895
<v Speaker 3>we go the other thing. I think this is a

1:33:02.895 --> 1:33:05.055
<v Speaker 3>game changer for and I think we need to incorporate

1:33:05.055 --> 1:33:08.975
<v Speaker 3>this into the regulation. Ye puplicyeing. Suddenly it makes it

1:33:09.015 --> 1:33:10.695
<v Speaker 3>easier from a ride to put eight or nine of

1:33:10.695 --> 1:33:13.855
<v Speaker 3>these on there. You might be an orchard needing seasonal workers,

1:33:14.055 --> 1:33:16.895
<v Speaker 3>so suddenly you can holorify a farm.

1:33:16.695 --> 1:33:17.135
<v Speaker 12>You know.

1:33:17.215 --> 1:33:18.375
<v Speaker 3>So in the words, you've got a problem down in

1:33:18.415 --> 1:33:22.095
<v Speaker 3>Queenstown with hospitality, Well, let's allow minor dwelling units to

1:33:22.095 --> 1:33:24.695
<v Speaker 3>go on people's backyard so that people who work in

1:33:24.735 --> 1:33:29.615
<v Speaker 3>hospitality can have somewhere to live that's affordable. It might

1:33:29.655 --> 1:33:31.735
<v Speaker 3>be golf courses, schools, and this is why I think

1:33:31.775 --> 1:33:34.935
<v Speaker 3>that this is a great discussion document. So now we've

1:33:34.975 --> 1:33:39.015
<v Speaker 3>got cheaper accommodation for teachers who might be early in

1:33:39.095 --> 1:33:42.015
<v Speaker 3>their careers can't afford a house. This is the game changer.

1:33:43.415 --> 1:33:45.535
<v Speaker 2>The other just about one of the thoughts I had

1:33:45.535 --> 1:33:49.575
<v Speaker 2>around that phrase trusted builder, do we just go? It

1:33:49.615 --> 1:33:53.735
<v Speaker 2>can be off site manufacture, owner only, and that's a

1:33:53.735 --> 1:33:55.335
<v Speaker 2>way of insurance quality control.

1:33:56.375 --> 1:33:59.655
<v Speaker 3>It makes sense you think you think about you know,

1:33:59.695 --> 1:34:03.215
<v Speaker 3>your kith a home or your hell's me. They have

1:34:03.335 --> 1:34:06.375
<v Speaker 3>been pumping these sort of prefab small units out for

1:34:06.495 --> 1:34:10.295
<v Speaker 3>years in a quality, quality controlled environment. It would make

1:34:10.415 --> 1:34:12.295
<v Speaker 3>sense to be able to do that. But there may

1:34:12.335 --> 1:34:14.855
<v Speaker 3>also be occasions where they can't be trained in or.

1:34:14.775 --> 1:34:15.615
<v Speaker 5>They shan't be brought.

1:34:15.695 --> 1:34:18.015
<v Speaker 3>Yes, but if we've got them built to a plan

1:34:18.575 --> 1:34:21.415
<v Speaker 3>that a license architect or draft person is drawn that

1:34:21.495 --> 1:34:23.815
<v Speaker 3>a licensed builder is building, we've all built it to

1:34:23.855 --> 1:34:25.935
<v Speaker 3>a standard it has. It has to have a healthy

1:34:25.935 --> 1:34:29.775
<v Speaker 3>Home certificate. We keep it simple. I don't think it

1:34:29.775 --> 1:34:32.775
<v Speaker 3>has to be pre manufactured, but it makes sense to

1:34:32.815 --> 1:34:33.655
<v Speaker 3>be done that way.

1:34:33.895 --> 1:34:36.415
<v Speaker 2>Just you mentioned also insurance, and I'm thinking that you know,

1:34:36.455 --> 1:34:39.855
<v Speaker 2>typically an insurer will have some surety around if a

1:34:39.855 --> 1:34:42.335
<v Speaker 2>building's got a building consent, if it's got a CCC,

1:34:42.975 --> 1:34:45.495
<v Speaker 2>that's great. Now if we've got buildings that are going

1:34:45.535 --> 1:34:48.255
<v Speaker 2>to be built and they don't have that what surety?

1:34:48.375 --> 1:34:50.535
<v Speaker 2>How would you give surety to the insurer that it's

1:34:50.575 --> 1:34:53.175
<v Speaker 2>not going to cause problems for them long term?

1:34:53.935 --> 1:34:57.335
<v Speaker 3>Again, I think it's that certification. How's these units come

1:34:57.375 --> 1:34:59.815
<v Speaker 3>with the c c C yep, so maybe these if

1:34:59.855 --> 1:35:02.015
<v Speaker 3>these can and maybe and it's the same with banks.

1:35:02.055 --> 1:35:04.575
<v Speaker 3>Banks will not lend on a unit that doesn't have

1:35:04.735 --> 1:35:07.415
<v Speaker 3>a c c C generally, So we need to come

1:35:07.495 --> 1:35:08.815
<v Speaker 3>up with a system. And that's why I said, we

1:35:08.855 --> 1:35:10.495
<v Speaker 3>need to get the insurance Council, We need to get

1:35:10.535 --> 1:35:13.495
<v Speaker 3>the banks involved and say, okay, what system do we

1:35:13.535 --> 1:35:15.895
<v Speaker 3>need in place to confirm that we can lend against

1:35:15.895 --> 1:35:18.815
<v Speaker 3>these things and that they're ensurable. And I think it

1:35:18.815 --> 1:35:21.055
<v Speaker 3>may be as simple as a healthy home certificate, so

1:35:21.175 --> 1:35:23.775
<v Speaker 3>it gets right, it's been built to a code or

1:35:23.815 --> 1:35:26.335
<v Speaker 3>it's been built to code and the licensed building practitioner

1:35:26.375 --> 1:35:29.695
<v Speaker 3>confirms that, so that liability comes back on THEMS.

1:35:30.975 --> 1:35:33.015
<v Speaker 2>Just a final question. One of the things that was

1:35:33.015 --> 1:35:35.015
<v Speaker 2>talked about is that you know there would need there

1:35:35.015 --> 1:35:36.815
<v Speaker 2>still needs to be designed right. There has to be

1:35:36.895 --> 1:35:39.015
<v Speaker 2>a set of plans for this, and that could be done.

1:35:39.255 --> 1:35:41.895
<v Speaker 2>They often they talk more about engineers than they do

1:35:41.975 --> 1:35:45.295
<v Speaker 2>about architects. But let's say you're an engineer and you've done,

1:35:45.855 --> 1:35:48.815
<v Speaker 2>You've calculated the span of the rafters and the bracing

1:35:48.895 --> 1:35:52.015
<v Speaker 2>units required and so on. I would then expect that

1:35:52.055 --> 1:35:54.495
<v Speaker 2>they would be undertaking on site inspections.

1:35:55.575 --> 1:35:58.135
<v Speaker 3>I agree, But what we don't And again then they

1:35:58.135 --> 1:35:59.895
<v Speaker 3>put their name to it. They sign a document like

1:35:59.935 --> 1:36:03.575
<v Speaker 3>engineers now do for building consents, sign on. They are

1:36:03.615 --> 1:36:08.015
<v Speaker 3>all registered. So let's keep it proper. What we're doing

1:36:08.055 --> 1:36:11.535
<v Speaker 3>here is we're eliminating the glue of uncertainty that council

1:36:11.655 --> 1:36:17.815
<v Speaker 3>bureaucracy often gives us, and the irregular patchwork of sort

1:36:17.815 --> 1:36:22.095
<v Speaker 3>of regulations. This is going to be across the country uniform.

1:36:22.455 --> 1:36:24.975
<v Speaker 3>Make it simple to understand. That can be done in

1:36:25.055 --> 1:36:27.175
<v Speaker 3>ketty ketty, It can be done in Goa, It can

1:36:27.215 --> 1:36:31.015
<v Speaker 3>be done anywhere, and we all have the same regulations

1:36:31.015 --> 1:36:34.135
<v Speaker 3>we're working too. We want counsel out of this process,

1:36:34.575 --> 1:36:37.575
<v Speaker 3>but we want there to be a regulatory framework and

1:36:37.655 --> 1:36:40.615
<v Speaker 3>pathway that give surancies to home runers' banks. And also

1:36:40.655 --> 1:36:43.055
<v Speaker 3>think about it as yourself as the neighbor. The last

1:36:43.055 --> 1:36:44.975
<v Speaker 3>thing you want is the neighbor is that properly be

1:36:45.015 --> 1:36:47.255
<v Speaker 3>built on the boundary. You're okay, there's a minor dwelling

1:36:47.655 --> 1:36:50.415
<v Speaker 3>but let's make it comply. So I think that this

1:36:50.655 --> 1:36:52.815
<v Speaker 3>time I'm going to make a submission. You know, I

1:36:52.855 --> 1:36:55.415
<v Speaker 3>may even wander all the way down to Wellington and appear,

1:36:55.455 --> 1:36:57.335
<v Speaker 3>because I think we've got to do this in a

1:36:57.855 --> 1:37:01.375
<v Speaker 3>well thought out manner. And this sets the scene for

1:37:01.495 --> 1:37:04.015
<v Speaker 3>further changes in the Building Act to make it simpler.

1:37:04.175 --> 1:37:05.895
<v Speaker 3>I heard you were talking about the cost of building

1:37:06.335 --> 1:37:09.655
<v Speaker 3>getting higher and higher. If we can reduce it and

1:37:09.735 --> 1:37:12.615
<v Speaker 3>simplify it and make it least costly, you're probably going

1:37:12.655 --> 1:37:14.775
<v Speaker 3>to get a greater amount of compliance.

1:37:15.575 --> 1:37:17.655
<v Speaker 2>And I think too that you know a little bit

1:37:17.735 --> 1:37:19.935
<v Speaker 2>like when they introduce the changes to Schedule one of

1:37:19.975 --> 1:37:23.535
<v Speaker 2>the Building Act back in twenty nineteen, you know, small

1:37:23.615 --> 1:37:27.175
<v Speaker 2>dwellings could go from ten square meters to thirty. The

1:37:27.255 --> 1:37:29.335
<v Speaker 2>one thing that I think where most of them breaches

1:37:29.375 --> 1:37:32.615
<v Speaker 2>they're too close to the boundary. Right, so in terms

1:37:32.655 --> 1:37:35.575
<v Speaker 2>of imposing controls, like if suddenly you notice that your

1:37:35.575 --> 1:37:37.975
<v Speaker 2>neighbor is building a meter from the boundary and at

1:37:38.015 --> 1:37:43.295
<v Speaker 2>sixty square meters, that would probably breach the outline of

1:37:43.615 --> 1:37:46.815
<v Speaker 2>what this discussion document is about, because the broad outline

1:37:46.855 --> 1:37:48.575
<v Speaker 2>is that it should be the height of the building

1:37:48.575 --> 1:37:51.655
<v Speaker 2>away from the boundary and that would stay. That would

1:37:51.655 --> 1:37:55.415
<v Speaker 2>be a sensible sort of limit on where you could build.

1:37:56.695 --> 1:38:00.655
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Absolutely. So again, you're not crowding things on the properties,

1:38:00.895 --> 1:38:04.335
<v Speaker 3>you're not shoehorning them in, and you're concerned about You've

1:38:04.335 --> 1:38:06.895
<v Speaker 3>got some concern about amenity, but for me, the more importantly,

1:38:06.895 --> 1:38:09.775
<v Speaker 3>you've got concern about fire rating and fire control. The

1:38:09.855 --> 1:38:12.375
<v Speaker 3>last thing we want is building's being built right on

1:38:12.375 --> 1:38:14.535
<v Speaker 3>the boundary with no fire control. They burned down, then

1:38:14.535 --> 1:38:17.135
<v Speaker 3>they catch the next album fire and before you know it,

1:38:17.135 --> 1:38:17.895
<v Speaker 3>it's fire of London.

1:38:17.935 --> 1:38:18.135
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

1:38:18.135 --> 1:38:21.535
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, I look forward to seeing your submission. Maybe you

1:38:21.615 --> 1:38:24.095
<v Speaker 2>chair of this. I think it's great and really appreciate

1:38:24.135 --> 1:38:26.575
<v Speaker 2>your insights, and you know you've been in this game

1:38:26.615 --> 1:38:29.655
<v Speaker 2>for a long long time. And again I mean I'm

1:38:30.895 --> 1:38:33.375
<v Speaker 2>in some ways I'm a little bit surprised that your

1:38:33.495 --> 1:38:36.095
<v Speaker 2>enthusiasm for it. I thought that maybe you would have

1:38:36.175 --> 1:38:40.055
<v Speaker 2>more concerns. But now listening to what you're saying, I

1:38:40.095 --> 1:38:43.015
<v Speaker 2>can see where you're coming from. This is potentially going

1:38:43.055 --> 1:38:46.655
<v Speaker 2>to make a significant difference to housing affordability and housing

1:38:46.695 --> 1:38:50.295
<v Speaker 2>availability as long as we keep those controls around it,

1:38:50.295 --> 1:38:52.775
<v Speaker 2>because we don't want As someone text through to me earlier,

1:38:53.055 --> 1:38:55.455
<v Speaker 2>he's looking at his neighbor who's put two car crates

1:38:55.455 --> 1:38:57.575
<v Speaker 2>down the bit of Corrigo, dying in between and has

1:38:57.575 --> 1:38:59.455
<v Speaker 2>got a family living there. We don't want that.

1:39:00.815 --> 1:39:01.255
<v Speaker 8>Not at all.

1:39:01.775 --> 1:39:03.695
<v Speaker 3>As I said at the start, this is game changer,

1:39:04.215 --> 1:39:06.735
<v Speaker 3>devil's in the detail. Always get it right. This is

1:39:06.775 --> 1:39:07.255
<v Speaker 3>good stuff.

1:39:07.415 --> 1:39:10.055
<v Speaker 2>Much appreciated. Hamish Firth from Mount Hobson Groups, thank you

1:39:10.175 --> 1:39:12.895
<v Speaker 2>very much for your time this morning, all of ust

1:39:12.935 --> 1:39:17.495
<v Speaker 2>you Hamish take care righty oh fascinating insight. Right. You

1:39:17.495 --> 1:39:19.815
<v Speaker 2>can make a submission too, by the way, you just

1:39:19.855 --> 1:39:22.615
<v Speaker 2>go to mby dot gov dot n Z forward slash

1:39:22.655 --> 1:39:25.695
<v Speaker 2>have your say, forward slash granny flats. They want to

1:39:25.695 --> 1:39:27.735
<v Speaker 2>hear from you, so if you've got an opinion, make

1:39:27.775 --> 1:39:28.975
<v Speaker 2>sure they get to hear about it.

1:39:29.335 --> 1:39:29.495
<v Speaker 12>Now.

1:39:29.495 --> 1:39:32.375
<v Speaker 2>A man who's never shy of an opinion is our

1:39:32.455 --> 1:39:36.255
<v Speaker 2>next wonderful person. Red climb past with us after.

1:39:36.055 --> 1:39:40.295
<v Speaker 1>The break, gardening with stell Shop Free accessories this winter

1:39:40.455 --> 1:39:41.335
<v Speaker 1>at steal Shop.

1:39:42.695 --> 1:39:45.455
<v Speaker 2>Red client past, never shot of an opinion. Good morning

1:39:45.455 --> 1:39:50.255
<v Speaker 2>to you, sir. You'll you'll never die knowing thinking. I

1:39:50.335 --> 1:39:51.735
<v Speaker 2>wonder what Rud thinks about that?

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<v Speaker 20>You will hear that's right.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm very well not so happy with the Dutch yesterday.

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<v Speaker 2>I would have liked to have seen a win over

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<v Speaker 2>France zero zero.

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<v Speaker 20>Yeah, my sister's birthday and she was ringing, No, it's

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<v Speaker 20>not that good.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh it's not terrible either, to be fair.

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<v Speaker 20>All right, but left totally lost the whole soccer thing

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<v Speaker 20>at the moment. I really should take some time. Funny, Dad, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Should take some time. It's bloody good fun Right, we're

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<v Speaker 2>into the garden. If you've got a question for it,

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<v Speaker 2>and we've got calls backed up already, let's rip into it. Chris,

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<v Speaker 2>good morning to you.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I have specific question for a rope. I heard

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<v Speaker 6>you mentioned BlackBerry a few weeks ago, and how to

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<v Speaker 6>get rid of it was to get down to the

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<v Speaker 6>base root of it and try to get as much

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<v Speaker 6>out of it as possible. I unfortunately, living in Wellington,

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<v Speaker 6>live off a house that is hanging off the side

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<v Speaker 6>of a basic cliff. Yeah, without heavily frank at my

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<v Speaker 6>age if I tried to be hanging down from a

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<v Speaker 6>road trying to right. Guy, is there any sort of

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<v Speaker 6>spray that you can get that wouldn't kill every animal

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<v Speaker 6>in the neighborhood?

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<v Speaker 20>No, well, yeah, there is. There is a spray that

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<v Speaker 20>is really good for BlackBerry, and it's it's called. For instance,

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<v Speaker 20>New Farm have a material called Associate, and Ravens Down

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<v Speaker 20>have got associate Associate it's so and and Ravens Down

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<v Speaker 20>have got to thing called eradicate six hundred and the

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<v Speaker 20>active ingredient is known as metsol furon may feel it's it.

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<v Speaker 20>It works really well on things like gorse and broom

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<v Speaker 20>and BlackBerry and broad leaved weeds and things like that.

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<v Speaker 20>And it's safe for grass.

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<v Speaker 6>Is it okay with? Because I also have a many

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<v Speaker 6>cuteria is safe that if that goes near it?

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<v Speaker 20>Well keep keep the fox dairy are inside until it's dry.

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<v Speaker 20>Don't even worry about it. Just you know, once it's dried,

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<v Speaker 20>it's unless the fox dairy is going to eat the

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<v Speaker 20>whole bank in Wellington.

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<v Speaker 6>I have to actually consume it too, Yeah of.

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<v Speaker 20>Course, yeah, yeah, I wouldn't be too worried about that.

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<v Speaker 20>Now let it dry then then the.

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<v Speaker 6>Fox's probably bad and let it dry and.

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<v Speaker 20>Yeah yeah yeah, and do it on a dry day.

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<v Speaker 6>It's just turned into like a you know what, well

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<v Speaker 6>econs like like one. I don't want to spury every

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<v Speaker 6>animal the no.

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<v Speaker 2>I only do the spraying when it's good conditions and

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<v Speaker 2>wear a mask. You kind of I kind of learned

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<v Speaker 2>that this week, but I won't go into that. Kath,

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<v Speaker 2>Good morning to you.

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<v Speaker 17>Good morning guys.

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<v Speaker 7>Rude.

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<v Speaker 17>I wonder if you can help me through unexpected circumstances

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<v Speaker 17>we have to move. I would like to take some

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<v Speaker 17>gardenias with me and a lemon tray, and I just

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<v Speaker 17>need to know the process. They were all only planted

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<v Speaker 17>in April.

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<v Speaker 20>I think there should be no problem when you're going very.

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<v Speaker 17>Soonish, yeah, very soonish, within the next four weeks, I

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<v Speaker 17>would think.

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<v Speaker 20>I think this is the best time of the year

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<v Speaker 20>to actually move gardenias and citrus, lemon trees and things

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<v Speaker 20>like that. Right the reason the reason is their dormant.

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<v Speaker 20>So you dig them up with as many roots as

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<v Speaker 20>you can and it goes for both of them, if

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<v Speaker 20>you like. And then if you like, you you, if

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<v Speaker 20>you like, you packed them in an old plastic bag

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<v Speaker 20>or something so that they stay keep moist while you're shifting.

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<v Speaker 17>Right, okay, anyway you go, Thank you very much for that.

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<v Speaker 20>More than welcome. It's really you're really at the best

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<v Speaker 20>time for moving.

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<v Speaker 3>Keith.

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<v Speaker 20>This is great. This is by the way, for anybody

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<v Speaker 20>else listening, this is a good time to change the

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<v Speaker 20>position of plants that you don't like where it is

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<v Speaker 20>it now, So you doing great, all.

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<v Speaker 17>Right, thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you all the best. Actually that's good news for

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<v Speaker 2>me because I had this little camellia that struggled for

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<v Speaker 2>the last couple of years. Just I think I did

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<v Speaker 2>everything right. And we're working in the garden at a

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<v Speaker 2>place that I look after the other day and I said, right,

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<v Speaker 2>let's get it out because it obviously doesn't like where

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<v Speaker 2>it is, and we've moved it a little bit more shade,

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<v Speaker 2>not as much direct sun. Hopefully it'll kickoff. So now's

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<v Speaker 2>the right time to do that sort of work in

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<v Speaker 2>the garden.

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<v Speaker 20>Absolutely, But for a camellia, it would be good to

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<v Speaker 20>depending on where it is. It does need a little

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<v Speaker 20>bit of light, I suppose. I don't know if.

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<v Speaker 2>It'll still get some sunlight. It'll just get a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit more shade in the early morning. Okay, maybe it'll

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<v Speaker 2>just turn up its toast. Maybe it's just a.

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<v Speaker 20>Yeah, maybe it's just well, it didn't even.

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<v Speaker 2>Get a start. It was how he got to about

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<v Speaker 2>bloody not even a meter high. It's just salt. It's

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<v Speaker 2>entire life.

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<v Speaker 20>Yeah, it's what it's It could be a Dutch football

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<v Speaker 20>football sulky.

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<v Speaker 2>Sulky complaining about the referee. Right, oh, Marg, good morning

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<v Speaker 2>to you.

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<v Speaker 19>It's mag.

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<v Speaker 20>It's Mag from Grismond. This is going to be my mag.

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<v Speaker 20>How are you darling?

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<v Speaker 21>It's sword Hill as well.

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<v Speaker 20>I know, I know, but you I think you've been

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<v Speaker 20>one of my most regular callers since.

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<v Speaker 2>Nineteen slower sit.

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<v Speaker 8>Out of the well.

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<v Speaker 17>Used.

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<v Speaker 22>I used to do a tray of eggs and take

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<v Speaker 22>them to everything, and you cannot now get at the

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<v Speaker 22>you can't have get the whole tray or the any

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<v Speaker 22>you can't even get any eggs hole.

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<v Speaker 21>You get the what or the or the everything.

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<v Speaker 20>So well, so tell me what you want to buy

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<v Speaker 20>a tray of eggs and you can't get those engagement

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<v Speaker 20>are you telling me?

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<v Speaker 17>No?

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<v Speaker 21>No, it's nothing to do with where they are, but

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<v Speaker 21>they will not will not stay.

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<v Speaker 22>Whole, and they.

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<v Speaker 21>Just how can I say it to get it right?

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 21>Yeah, it used they used to be.

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<v Speaker 22>No, all the white is not in one place, wrong, dad, Everything.

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<v Speaker 20>I don't know make I have no. I am not

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<v Speaker 20>somebody who is really good at eggs. Having said that,

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<v Speaker 20>I did band some birds and birds are known to

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<v Speaker 20>lay eggs, but you know, I don't know about those

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<v Speaker 20>sort of things. To be quite honest, I can't help

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<v Speaker 20>you with that, Mark this time.

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<v Speaker 21>Well, I thought you'd have the answer.

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<v Speaker 20>Well, I sometimes do, but not always. If you know

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<v Speaker 20>what the funny thing is, Pezza is right, you know,

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<v Speaker 20>I'll tell it like it is. If I don't know

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<v Speaker 20>the answer, I'm not, you know, shy to say I

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<v Speaker 20>don't know the answer, simple as that, you know what

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<v Speaker 20>I mean?

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<v Speaker 21>No, no, no, no, it was. It's just that you

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<v Speaker 21>cannot get the whole eggs in all one place, no

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<v Speaker 21>one place, and no it won't do it. So I'm

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<v Speaker 21>not telling you properly.

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<v Speaker 20>But no, no, it's all right. Have you tried having

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<v Speaker 20>a you have you tried having chickens yourself?

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<v Speaker 8>No?

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<v Speaker 5>We didn't do.

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<v Speaker 13>It's good.

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<v Speaker 21>Yeah, but they just will not have the eggs and

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<v Speaker 21>the white and the yoke.

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<v Speaker 20>Yeah, I see what you mean. Okay, No, sorry, you

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<v Speaker 20>need to go to an egg egologist.

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<v Speaker 2>How is it?

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<v Speaker 8>Hey?

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<v Speaker 20>Text for you call? Thanks for your call.

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<v Speaker 2>Mark, I'll get my nephew to give you a call.

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<v Speaker 2>He's got he loves them, righty oh uh let's take

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<v Speaker 2>a short break. Let's do that right now, and then

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<v Speaker 2>we'll be back. We're through it after the break.

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