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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Resident Builder podcast with Peter Wolfcamp

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Speaker 1: from News Talk SEDB.

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Speaker 2: So anyway, we're going to have a look at that

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Speaker 2: a little bit later on in the program. Happy to

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Speaker 2: take your calls on it now, but I thought we'd

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Speaker 2: reach out to an expert in Hamish Firth who is

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Speaker 2: a planner of some experience and note is going to

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Speaker 2: join me on the program at around eight point fifteen

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Speaker 2: this morning, and we're just going to run through a

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Speaker 2: couple of options about what does that actually look like,

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Speaker 2: is it likely to actually be introduced into legislation, and

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Speaker 2: what are some of the pitfalls? And I've read a

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Speaker 2: lot of articles and comment from building and building science

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Speaker 2: related speakers and opinion makers around is this actually a

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Speaker 2: wise idea? Are people actually going to embrace it? Would

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Speaker 2: you give up I guess the security of having a

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Speaker 2: building consent for the work that you do for maybe

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Speaker 2: the savings of not having one, and people perhaps looking

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Speaker 2: at it as gosh, is it up to standard? And

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Speaker 2: how do I know that it's up to standard if

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Speaker 2: no one's checking it? Well, there are checks and balances.

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Speaker 2: So anyway, we're going to have a bit of a

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Speaker 2: look at that a little later on in the program.

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Speaker 2: But it has been an interesting thing to discuss sort

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Speaker 2: within building circles. But more than happy to take your

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Speaker 2: calls on that as well, your thoughts around this proposed legislation.

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Speaker 2: Could we build up to sixty square meters without necessarily

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Speaker 2: requiring a building consent? There are then, after this a

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Speaker 2: whole bunch of ifs, butts, and maybe as well, just

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Speaker 2: as there are for the expansion and scope of work

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Speaker 2: that you could do under Schedule one of the Building Act.

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Speaker 2: That's the current legislation in place, and if you were

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Speaker 2: a call back. In twenty nineteen, the government made some

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Speaker 2: changes to that legislation that allowed buildings, for example, up

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Speaker 2: to thirty square meters that were essentially not habitable in

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Speaker 2: the sense that they didn't have toilet, showers, plumbing fittings

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Speaker 2: in them, they could be built without necessarily requiring a

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Speaker 2: building consent. But then once you got past the you

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Speaker 2: can build it but and you started to go through

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Speaker 2: all the butts, you realized that there was actually not

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Speaker 2: that many opportunities for you to build that if you

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Speaker 2: rest of the regulations that relate to building, it does

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Speaker 2: get a little bit technical. It is kind of you know,

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's are they are they actually chasing the

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Speaker 2: right target here? Would it make a difference to you

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Speaker 2: to be able to build sixty square meters without necessarily

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Speaker 2: requiring a building consent? Give us a call. Oh, eight

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Speaker 2: hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call

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Speaker 2: if you've got building questions, whether you're underway with a project.

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Speaker 2: Maybe you've discovered something as a place that I look after,

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Speaker 2: and we were there during the course of the week

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Speaker 2: and suddenly it's like, oh, have you noticed that the

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Speaker 2: floorboard here is starting to I don't know what's really

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Speaker 2: going on. I just noticed that that. I just put

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Speaker 2: it down on my list as fixed floorboard. I haven't

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Speaker 2: even had the investigation yet as to why that floorboard

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Speaker 2: doesn't have any support underneath it. Maybe it's a piece

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Speaker 2: But it's on my list to fix. Actually I think

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Speaker 2: it's on tomorrow's list to fix. So if you've got

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Speaker 2: a list and you've got things to fix, and who doesn't,

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Speaker 2: then eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

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Speaker 2: You can text as well, that's nine two nine two

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Speaker 2: or ZBZB from your mobile phone if you'd like to

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Speaker 2: send me an email, You're more than welcome. It's Pete

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Speaker 2: at Newstalk ZB dot co dot nz. So welcome along

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Speaker 2: to the show. Looking forward to you call your conversations.

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Speaker 2: Got a couple of experts who are going to be

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Speaker 2: part of the show a little bit later on. And then,

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Speaker 2: of course, as always, we're into the garden with redclined

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Speaker 2: now on a kind of wet and slightly miserable old

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Speaker 2: morning here in Auckland, it's eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 2: Is that number to call? Eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 2: eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Oh criaky, sorry, I'm looking

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Speaker 2: What do we need to do? Oh goodie, there's one

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Speaker 2: Crikey, Pete, the new song is terrible. Can't even understand

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Speaker 2: Enough on the song right re an upstairs deck? Do

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Speaker 2: that you do need a consent. And the main thing

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Speaker 2: that triggers that is the height of the work that

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Speaker 2: that will be obviously above one point five meters from

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Speaker 2: the ground level, and anything above that height would need

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Speaker 2: The building consent there is ultimately there to protect safety,

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Speaker 2: right or to keep people safe. So if you fell

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Speaker 2: which case that would trigger the requirement for a building consent.

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Speaker 2: The cost for that consent, I really don't know. It

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Speaker 2: depends a great deal on where you are in the country.

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Speaker 2: I was absolutely shocked the other like, genuinely shocked. The

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Speaker 2: were talking with someone. Oh, that's right. He was a

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Speaker 2: Wasn't on the tools anymore. We were chatting about a

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Speaker 2: amount of development that's happening, and Tylrong are talking about

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Speaker 2: got talking about building consents and he said, look, we

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Speaker 2: to give out a building consent, So we'll give counsel that.

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Speaker 2: He said, Now, similar house building consent fees charged by

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Speaker 2: see the breakdown of that. Sixty six thousand dollars for

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Speaker 2: And this is you know, from a reliable source. This

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Speaker 2: be how do we get counsels to be more efficient

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Speaker 2: so that building consents don't cost as much. Maybe that

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Speaker 2: should be the focus. You can consult. So if you

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Speaker 2: go online, if you go to MBI, dot gov dot

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Speaker 2: NZ have your say granny flats, you'll find it there.

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Speaker 2: You can put in a submission. Oh, eight hundred eighty

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Speaker 2: ten eighty is the number to call. Sorry, the text

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Speaker 2: about the song is getting better and better. One last

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Speaker 2: Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Pete.

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Speaker 2: I have a steep bank surrounding my property which drops

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Speaker 2: need stabilizing at some stage, which would cost thousands. Is

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Speaker 2: the council responsible for this remedial work or am I

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Speaker 2: I would have thought, thank you for your texts as well.

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Speaker 2: I would have thought that if the bank is public

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Speaker 2: property is council land, the bank is their responsibility, and

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Speaker 2: that if your border, your boundary of your property is

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Speaker 2: to provide stability to your property would lie with counsel

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Speaker 2: now in a battle with council about that. So I

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Speaker 2: don't underestimate how difficult it might actually be. Now interesting,

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Speaker 2: I made the comment about Tarrong a city council and

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Speaker 2: the cost for the building consent being about sixty six

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Speaker 2: hang on No, this is another one. That's another text

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Speaker 2: that's coming in here we go Pete tarrong. A council

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Speaker 2: collect their development contributions differently. The developer doesn't pay them

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Speaker 2: odd way of dealing with them. That's why the council's

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Speaker 2: building consent costs are so high. So if you're a

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Speaker 2: So you subdivide a portion of that. You end up

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Speaker 2: creating this new piece of land. Effectively, we'll charge you

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Speaker 2: towards theoretically money for public development, so looking at public

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Speaker 2: And it's over and above the building consent fee, so

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Speaker 2: a resource consent fee and a reserve contribution fee. In Tolronger,

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Speaker 2: they lump it all in together. If someone's got a

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Speaker 2: thought on that, you're more than welcome to join us. Oh,

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Speaker 2: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call,

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Speaker 2: and we'll get to that a little bit. The other

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Speaker 2: text around the granny flat rule does it apply to

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Speaker 2: plan to use it as soon as I can. We'll

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Speaker 2: get into that text in just a moment. Oh wait,

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Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty ten eighty people of camp with

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Speaker 2: you this morning the resident Builder on Sunday. That's the show,

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Speaker 2: and this morning we're talking to Craig. Good morning to you,

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Speaker 2: Craig the morning.

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Speaker 5: Hey Craig, just on the line, am I.

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Speaker 2: You are no macking around this morning? Buddy, no prize, steady.

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Speaker 5: On, I've got an antia minor to finish building a

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Speaker 5: she didn't she didn't want need to builders yeap, but

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Speaker 5: she seven problems the buildings. So you've got a group

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Speaker 5: hm and so once the now after code of compliance

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Speaker 2: Does that mean that these granny flats can have separate power,

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Speaker 2: you'd have to go to council and or council owned

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00:24:50,815 --> 00:24:55,535
Speaker 2: businesses like Watercare in Auckland and apply for one. In

433
00:24:55,735 --> 00:24:58,855
Speaker 2: A new water meter in Auckland costs about seventeen thousand

434
00:24:58,895 --> 00:25:01,655
Speaker 2: dollars I think at the moment, and a mailbox will

435
00:25:01,655 --> 00:25:05,455
Speaker 2: know because it won't have its own title and its

436
00:25:05,495 --> 00:25:08,335
Speaker 2: own rubbish collect That's a very good point. Could you

437
00:25:08,375 --> 00:25:11,815
Speaker 2: ask for an additional bin, Yeah, you probably could, but

438
00:25:11,815 --> 00:25:14,135
Speaker 2: I would imagine you've got to pay for that as well.

439
00:25:16,615 --> 00:25:19,295
Speaker 2: And a proper oven. Yes. It seems that these are

440
00:25:19,375 --> 00:25:23,815
Speaker 2: designed to be completely self contained. So, for example, the

441
00:25:24,455 --> 00:25:27,615
Speaker 2: change in legislation from ten square meters to thirty square

442
00:25:27,615 --> 00:25:31,415
Speaker 2: meters for a sleepout, one of the ifs and butts

443
00:25:31,815 --> 00:25:35,535
Speaker 2: in that legislation is that whoever was in that unit

444
00:25:35,655 --> 00:25:39,175
Speaker 2: had to have access to the house because you weren't

445
00:25:39,295 --> 00:25:42,815
Speaker 2: legally allowed to include a toilet or a shower i e.

446
00:25:43,055 --> 00:25:47,375
Speaker 2: Sanitary fittings into those up to thirty square meter buildings.

447
00:25:47,655 --> 00:25:51,055
Speaker 2: So the person who was inhabiting that space you could

448
00:25:51,095 --> 00:25:53,255
Speaker 2: sleep in it. You could be in it during the day,

449
00:25:53,495 --> 00:25:55,535
Speaker 2: but you had to have access to the main house,

450
00:25:55,575 --> 00:25:58,655
Speaker 2: whereas this would be something that would be self contained

451
00:25:58,695 --> 00:26:01,935
Speaker 2: in the sense that you could cook and wash in

452
00:26:01,975 --> 00:26:04,455
Speaker 2: that building. Would it have its own water meter, No,

453
00:26:04,575 --> 00:26:06,975
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I think you'd be running a

454
00:26:07,055 --> 00:26:10,815
Speaker 2: line from the existing feed out to that dwelling, so

455
00:26:10,935 --> 00:26:12,895
Speaker 2: all of the rates would still be paid, or the

456
00:26:12,895 --> 00:26:16,375
Speaker 2: water fee would still be paid by the occupants of

457
00:26:16,415 --> 00:26:20,735
Speaker 2: the main house. It does get complicated, and this is

458
00:26:20,735 --> 00:26:24,535
Speaker 2: where the consultation will be really interesting to watch because

459
00:26:24,655 --> 00:26:27,215
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot more fishooks in this than

460
00:26:27,375 --> 00:26:29,855
Speaker 2: it would seem when you look at it at first glance.

461
00:26:29,895 --> 00:26:31,815
Speaker 2: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to

462
00:26:31,815 --> 00:26:35,375
Speaker 2: call someone just text through as well, and I'd love

463
00:26:35,415 --> 00:26:37,975
Speaker 2: more detail on this. To be fair, Craig, morning Peak

464
00:26:38,535 --> 00:26:43,575
Speaker 2: Council can't not issue CCC if a record of works

465
00:26:43,655 --> 00:26:51,615
Speaker 2: is not supplied, and that runs counter to everything that

466
00:26:51,695 --> 00:26:55,175
Speaker 2: I understand about CCC. To be fair, Craig, if you're

467
00:26:55,215 --> 00:26:57,895
Speaker 2: missing documentation, if you don't have let's say a record

468
00:26:57,935 --> 00:27:01,135
Speaker 2: of works from the LBP who did the structure of

469
00:27:01,175 --> 00:27:03,815
Speaker 2: the building, then I would have thought Counsel in no

470
00:27:03,935 --> 00:27:07,655
Speaker 2: way would issue a CCC. They just say, I need

471
00:27:07,735 --> 00:27:10,135
Speaker 2: we need the record of works for that work in

472
00:27:10,255 --> 00:27:13,055
Speaker 2: order for us to issue a CCC. And it's your

473
00:27:13,095 --> 00:27:15,775
Speaker 2: problem if you can't get that from the LBP that

474
00:27:15,775 --> 00:27:18,335
Speaker 2: did the work. So if you've got more detail on that,

475
00:27:18,335 --> 00:27:20,215
Speaker 2: I'd love to hear from you. Oh, eight hundred eighty

476
00:27:20,255 --> 00:27:22,815
Speaker 2: ten eighty is the number. And I'm not here to

477
00:27:22,815 --> 00:27:25,175
Speaker 2: slang off at Toyrong a city council, by the way,

478
00:27:26,295 --> 00:27:28,735
Speaker 2: and I understand that perhaps the way that they gather

479
00:27:28,855 --> 00:27:31,775
Speaker 2: their revenue around reserve contribution fee and so on might

480
00:27:31,815 --> 00:27:33,975
Speaker 2: be different to other councils, and that's why it might

481
00:27:34,015 --> 00:27:36,415
Speaker 2: be the figures are higher. But I love this text

482
00:27:36,415 --> 00:27:39,815
Speaker 2: as well. A building permit and Toyrong the City Council

483
00:27:39,895 --> 00:27:42,615
Speaker 2: was forty seven thousand dollars a while back across the

484
00:27:42,615 --> 00:27:45,775
Speaker 2: city boundary to the Western Bay District Council and the

485
00:27:45,815 --> 00:27:50,015
Speaker 2: cost was seven thousand dollars. We'll take your calls on that.

486
00:27:50,175 --> 00:27:52,135
Speaker 2: Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call

487
00:27:52,295 --> 00:27:54,535
Speaker 2: if you've got a project that's underweight and you're needing

488
00:27:54,575 --> 00:27:56,135
Speaker 2: a little bit of help, for a bit of advice

489
00:27:56,255 --> 00:27:59,895
Speaker 2: or wondering about particular products to buy. Then it's eight

490
00:28:00,015 --> 00:28:03,015
Speaker 2: hundred eighty ten eighty will come back after the break

491
00:28:06,335 --> 00:28:09,855
Speaker 2: US TALKSB. It is six forty six here at News

492
00:28:09,895 --> 00:28:12,495
Speaker 2: Talks D probably six forty six all around the country

493
00:28:12,535 --> 00:28:16,415
Speaker 2: as it happens. Can I also, just before I talk

494
00:28:16,495 --> 00:28:21,015
Speaker 2: to Pete, praise we're praise as due in my street

495
00:28:21,095 --> 00:28:23,495
Speaker 2: and some adjoining streets. We had to notice a couple

496
00:28:23,535 --> 00:28:26,695
Speaker 2: of weeks ago saying that Victor are going to be

497
00:28:26,735 --> 00:28:29,975
Speaker 2: doing some work on the overhead power lines and the

498
00:28:30,015 --> 00:28:34,615
Speaker 2: poles that support those, and that there was going to

499
00:28:34,615 --> 00:28:37,415
Speaker 2: be some disruption to power supply. Ie your powers going

500
00:28:37,415 --> 00:28:40,055
Speaker 2: off at eight thirty in the morning, it's likely to

501
00:28:40,055 --> 00:28:42,215
Speaker 2: be off until six o'clock at night. It's going to

502
00:28:42,255 --> 00:28:47,055
Speaker 2: happen on a Saturday, which was kind of a little

503
00:28:47,095 --> 00:28:49,975
Speaker 2: bit odd really, but anyway, it was going to be

504
00:28:49,975 --> 00:28:52,735
Speaker 2: a Saturday. It happened to be yesterday. So bang on

505
00:28:52,815 --> 00:28:56,135
Speaker 2: eight thirty house was plunged into darkness. I've just got

506
00:28:56,135 --> 00:29:01,135
Speaker 2: out of the shower and the trucks turned up. They

507
00:29:01,295 --> 00:29:03,815
Speaker 2: all down our street, around the corner, around the other street.

508
00:29:04,335 --> 00:29:09,615
Speaker 2: Multiple crewis climbing up or being elevated up into the

509
00:29:10,375 --> 00:29:14,415
Speaker 2: power poles down the street, taking off the old timber

510
00:29:14,975 --> 00:29:20,175
Speaker 2: crossbars and replacing those, and replacing the isolators and tidying

511
00:29:20,215 --> 00:29:22,615
Speaker 2: up all the overhead lines and so on. A lot

512
00:29:22,655 --> 00:29:27,295
Speaker 2: of people, I mean, like multiple trucks, multiple crews, obviously,

513
00:29:27,335 --> 00:29:29,535
Speaker 2: lots and lots of traffic control, which meant the street

514
00:29:29,575 --> 00:29:31,575
Speaker 2: was down to one lane, etc. We went out for

515
00:29:31,655 --> 00:29:34,655
Speaker 2: most of the day, came back to find a couple

516
00:29:34,695 --> 00:29:38,695
Speaker 2: of guys just testing or the meterboard at the front

517
00:29:38,695 --> 00:29:40,895
Speaker 2: of the house and the powers back on. That was

518
00:29:40,895 --> 00:29:43,215
Speaker 2: five o'clock in the afternoon when we got home. But

519
00:29:43,335 --> 00:29:47,295
Speaker 2: I actually thought looking at them working, it was poetry

520
00:29:47,295 --> 00:29:51,295
Speaker 2: in motion. It was beautiful to watch. And yes, there's disruption,

521
00:29:51,655 --> 00:29:54,015
Speaker 2: and that's a bit of a pain in the backside

522
00:29:54,015 --> 00:29:56,655
Speaker 2: and all the rest of it, but it's work that

523
00:29:56,775 --> 00:29:59,055
Speaker 2: needs to be done in order for the system to

524
00:29:59,135 --> 00:30:04,055
Speaker 2: operate and to be more resilient and reliable. And I

525
00:30:04,095 --> 00:30:07,015
Speaker 2: thought they did an excellent job. So again, I know

526
00:30:07,055 --> 00:30:09,655
Speaker 2: it's disruptive and it's a bit of a pain, but

527
00:30:09,735 --> 00:30:13,055
Speaker 2: I thought that in this instant infected an outstanding job

528
00:30:13,215 --> 00:30:16,735
Speaker 2: with their coordination for that little project in Devenport yesterday,

529
00:30:16,855 --> 00:30:22,095
Speaker 2: Pete good A Hello, Petey, Oh, why is this not

530
00:30:22,695 --> 00:30:25,935
Speaker 2: there's something wrong with my fingers. I've decided hang on,

531
00:30:26,135 --> 00:30:28,135
Speaker 2: hang on, hang on out. Let's get this sorted out. Pete,

532
00:30:28,215 --> 00:30:28,695
Speaker 2: go for it.

533
00:30:29,815 --> 00:30:30,255
Speaker 5: You got me?

534
00:30:30,295 --> 00:30:32,655
Speaker 2: Now I do I do? Your finger doesn't work a

535
00:30:32,655 --> 00:30:33,175
Speaker 2: lot of screen.

536
00:30:34,255 --> 00:30:34,415
Speaker 8: Now.

537
00:30:34,415 --> 00:30:37,495
Speaker 9: Look, I'm down in the west western Bay of Plenty

538
00:30:37,535 --> 00:30:40,495
Speaker 9: where it's bucketing down at the moment. But just over

539
00:30:40,535 --> 00:30:44,535
Speaker 9: twenty years ago I got a new house built and

540
00:30:44,575 --> 00:30:50,335
Speaker 9: I incorporated a grannie flat into that house. And now

541
00:30:50,695 --> 00:30:53,695
Speaker 9: a couple of things at that start that we were

542
00:30:53,735 --> 00:30:58,455
Speaker 9: limited to fifty square meters, yes, but my grannie flat

543
00:30:58,575 --> 00:31:05,055
Speaker 9: that I had to fireproof into tenancy walls and it

544
00:31:05,095 --> 00:31:11,815
Speaker 9: has its own power. It we share the rubbish. It

545
00:31:11,855 --> 00:31:17,615
Speaker 9: doesn't include the water, and it's we put a letter

546
00:31:17,655 --> 00:31:22,975
Speaker 9: box out and it works. I don't know the legality

547
00:31:21,735 --> 00:31:26,735
Speaker 9: that gave it a letter. And now the interesting thing

548
00:31:27,015 --> 00:31:29,415
Speaker 9: with the water is that the council at the time,

549
00:31:29,895 --> 00:31:31,535
Speaker 9: well I used to get it in the rates for

550
00:31:31,615 --> 00:31:34,415
Speaker 9: the water and they called it a pan tax to

551
00:31:34,455 --> 00:31:39,535
Speaker 9: do with the toilet. And interesting thing is that we

552
00:31:39,695 --> 00:31:42,575
Speaker 9: never had meters over twenty years ago, but when they

553
00:31:42,615 --> 00:31:46,375
Speaker 9: brought in water meters because because you see the council claimed, oh,

554
00:31:46,415 --> 00:31:50,615
Speaker 9: you'll be using more water to flush the toilets, you see. Anyway,

555
00:31:51,295 --> 00:31:53,815
Speaker 9: when they brought in the water meters, it was then

556
00:31:53,935 --> 00:31:57,375
Speaker 9: challenged and the council had to back down because they

557
00:31:57,375 --> 00:32:00,815
Speaker 9: had they agreed that now they would be able to

558
00:32:00,855 --> 00:32:03,415
Speaker 9: see if there was more water used. So we actually

559
00:32:03,415 --> 00:32:08,255
Speaker 9: got a refund on that, and I think that doesn't

560
00:32:08,255 --> 00:32:14,055
Speaker 9: happen now. But I note that the new granny flats

561
00:32:14,655 --> 00:32:19,215
Speaker 9: can go up to sixty square meters, which I actually

562
00:32:19,535 --> 00:32:22,855
Speaker 9: fifty square meters seem to work fine, but sixty is

563
00:32:22,895 --> 00:32:27,735
Speaker 9: a little bit better. But it's all legal, it's all consented,

564
00:32:27,895 --> 00:32:31,095
Speaker 9: co compliance certificate and everything, and it's been quite an

565
00:32:31,095 --> 00:32:31,735
Speaker 9: asset for me.

566
00:32:32,855 --> 00:32:35,815
Speaker 2: Look, I think that you've got some tremendous foresight to

567
00:32:35,895 --> 00:32:38,775
Speaker 2: have done that while you were building. And interesting, I

568
00:32:38,815 --> 00:32:42,015
Speaker 2: heard an ad the other day for like a large

569
00:32:42,015 --> 00:32:45,255
Speaker 2: group home builder talking about one of their new style

570
00:32:45,295 --> 00:32:50,615
Speaker 2: of houses which actually included effectively two houses in one

571
00:32:51,095 --> 00:32:55,135
Speaker 2: plus a granny flat, so you know, right from the

572
00:32:55,175 --> 00:32:57,175
Speaker 2: get go they're going, actually, what we're going to do

573
00:32:57,295 --> 00:33:01,495
Speaker 2: is this, you know, maybe a three story development with

574
00:33:01,615 --> 00:33:07,535
Speaker 2: two attached townhouses and then an other develop all part

575
00:33:07,575 --> 00:33:09,415
Speaker 2: of it. So you ended up with you could buy

576
00:33:09,495 --> 00:33:12,375
Speaker 2: effectively two houses in a granny flat. Now, whether that's

577
00:33:12,535 --> 00:33:15,495
Speaker 2: extended family, which is awesome, because there's this thing now

578
00:33:15,575 --> 00:33:18,335
Speaker 2: with sometimes with apartments, where you can buy an apartment

579
00:33:18,375 --> 00:33:21,015
Speaker 2: which is actually two apartments. It has one front door

580
00:33:21,335 --> 00:33:22,935
Speaker 2: and then you go into a lobby and then there's

581
00:33:22,935 --> 00:33:25,695
Speaker 2: two doors, and you can either have the whole thing together,

582
00:33:26,735 --> 00:33:29,495
Speaker 2: or you could buy it and then have one as

583
00:33:29,535 --> 00:33:33,735
Speaker 2: a potential rental income or as housing for maybe you know,

584
00:33:33,895 --> 00:33:37,655
Speaker 2: older family members, independent children, that sort of thing. So

585
00:33:38,295 --> 00:33:40,935
Speaker 2: I think what I like about all of these discussions

586
00:33:40,975 --> 00:33:46,255
Speaker 2: around what we build sort of is about recognizing that

587
00:33:46,815 --> 00:33:50,855
Speaker 2: houses are not one dimensional, there's not always just one purpose.

588
00:33:51,055 --> 00:33:53,815
Speaker 2: In terms of our focus has very much been on

589
00:33:54,055 --> 00:33:56,615
Speaker 2: we're going to build a house for a family, and

590
00:33:57,455 --> 00:33:59,695
Speaker 2: as if a family mum, dad, and a couple of

591
00:33:59,735 --> 00:34:02,575
Speaker 2: kids is the only way we live. But the reality

592
00:34:02,615 --> 00:34:05,895
Speaker 2: t is we don't live like that, and the number

593
00:34:05,935 --> 00:34:10,015
Speaker 2: of groups that are actually that traditional sort of model

594
00:34:10,255 --> 00:34:15,855
Speaker 2: is diminishing arguably, And so I think this kind of

595
00:34:15,935 --> 00:34:18,975
Speaker 2: widening the scope of what we're building and for whom

596
00:34:19,015 --> 00:34:21,415
Speaker 2: we might be building. So it might be you might

597
00:34:21,455 --> 00:34:23,815
Speaker 2: have a family group, but they might have older parents.

598
00:34:23,895 --> 00:34:27,375
Speaker 2: They might be a family group with an independent teenager

599
00:34:27,495 --> 00:34:29,695
Speaker 2: or a person in their twenties who wants to stay

600
00:34:29,695 --> 00:34:32,815
Speaker 2: at home, or they might like you thinking ahead, thinking well, actually,

601
00:34:32,855 --> 00:34:34,855
Speaker 2: if I build something I put in a granny flat

602
00:34:34,895 --> 00:34:37,615
Speaker 2: and I get it compliant from the day one, then

603
00:34:37,655 --> 00:34:43,175
Speaker 2: I've got an income stream. Fantastic. It's awesome, it's awesome.

604
00:34:43,175 --> 00:34:46,055
Speaker 2: You're obviously well ahead of your time, Peter, Ah.

605
00:34:46,095 --> 00:34:49,855
Speaker 9: Well, the other I mean, I can say of twenty years,

606
00:34:50,495 --> 00:34:55,415
Speaker 9: I've hardly gone without a tenant, someone in there. And

607
00:34:55,615 --> 00:34:58,455
Speaker 9: maybe in my retire I've always had long term tenants

608
00:34:58,735 --> 00:35:04,455
Speaker 9: and if I'm away coming and going to the property.

609
00:35:04,215 --> 00:35:07,455
Speaker 9: And the other thing it does open it off up too,

610
00:35:07,775 --> 00:35:11,455
Speaker 9: is that when I retire from my job, I could

611
00:35:11,535 --> 00:35:15,935
Speaker 9: actually have short term tenants as in like Airbnb type

612
00:35:15,935 --> 00:35:19,975
Speaker 9: stuff and a little bit extra work and probably a

613
00:35:19,975 --> 00:35:23,135
Speaker 9: little bit better return. But no, it's it's worked. But

614
00:35:23,215 --> 00:35:27,175
Speaker 9: I mean, I think the new thing here is, and

615
00:35:27,255 --> 00:35:31,695
Speaker 9: I haven't looked into this is around the consenting. Mine

616
00:35:31,815 --> 00:35:37,415
Speaker 9: was just included in my prisful building consent. But it

617
00:35:37,535 --> 00:35:40,495
Speaker 9: seems to me that people with maybe I think some

618
00:35:40,535 --> 00:35:43,855
Speaker 9: properties would lend themselves very well to doing something like this,

619
00:35:43,935 --> 00:35:47,215
Speaker 9: and some could create some complications. If you think you

620
00:35:47,335 --> 00:35:49,575
Speaker 9: put something out in your backyard and then someone's got

621
00:35:49,575 --> 00:35:51,575
Speaker 9: to walk all the way down the side of the

622
00:35:51,615 --> 00:35:55,455
Speaker 9: house to get to it, that could seem quite problematic.

623
00:35:55,495 --> 00:36:00,215
Speaker 9: But anyway, that's it's it's worked for me, and they

624
00:36:00,295 --> 00:36:03,495
Speaker 9: have sort of been around in one form or another.

625
00:36:03,535 --> 00:36:05,815
Speaker 9: I don't know about other councils. So I'm in the

626
00:36:05,815 --> 00:36:09,375
Speaker 9: western plenty here and that was the way it was

627
00:36:09,375 --> 00:36:10,455
Speaker 9: twenty years ago here.

628
00:36:10,575 --> 00:36:13,735
Speaker 2: Yeah, really appreciate the insight, and I think and the

629
00:36:13,775 --> 00:36:16,855
Speaker 2: other thing that I want to sort of emphasize from

630
00:36:17,255 --> 00:36:20,695
Speaker 2: our conversation is the fact that you got it consented

631
00:36:20,895 --> 00:36:23,695
Speaker 2: from the get go. And the number of conversations I've

632
00:36:23,695 --> 00:36:26,135
Speaker 2: had on this show where people will go, hey, look

633
00:36:26,175 --> 00:36:30,615
Speaker 2: i've got a downstairs area and it's already got a shower,

634
00:36:30,935 --> 00:36:33,215
Speaker 2: I want to pop in a kitchen and then I

635
00:36:33,255 --> 00:36:36,015
Speaker 2: can let it out, and I'm going, yeah, but then

636
00:36:36,495 --> 00:36:39,615
Speaker 2: that's non consented, right, And the things that you the

637
00:36:39,655 --> 00:36:42,055
Speaker 2: hoops that you had to jump through, and to be fair,

638
00:36:42,095 --> 00:36:44,495
Speaker 2: the safety that you've built into what you've built in

639
00:36:44,535 --> 00:36:48,655
Speaker 2: terms of the fire protection and the isolation is really

640
00:36:48,695 --> 00:36:52,495
Speaker 2: really important. And that's why I think it's right that

641
00:36:52,575 --> 00:36:55,055
Speaker 2: we still have to comply with the building code in

642
00:36:55,135 --> 00:36:58,215
Speaker 2: terms of separation if you're going to end up creating

643
00:36:58,295 --> 00:37:03,095
Speaker 2: a truly independent sublet within your existing property, and I

644
00:37:03,135 --> 00:37:05,855
Speaker 2: wholeheartedly agree it shouldn't be something that you can just

645
00:37:05,895 --> 00:37:09,495
Speaker 2: go ahead and do without getting a building consent for it,

646
00:37:09,615 --> 00:37:12,535
Speaker 2: essentially to ensure that everybody is safe, particularly in the

647
00:37:12,535 --> 00:37:16,895
Speaker 2: event of a fire. So good on you. I think

648
00:37:16,895 --> 00:37:19,815
Speaker 2: it's awesome, really appreciate you call Pete. We're going to

649
00:37:19,855 --> 00:37:23,175
Speaker 2: talk to Robert after News, Sport and Weather, which is

650
00:37:23,215 --> 00:37:28,295
Speaker 2: coming up top of the hour at seven o'clock. There's

651
00:37:28,295 --> 00:37:31,055
Speaker 2: a couple of good ones too about building consent fees

652
00:37:31,135 --> 00:37:35,655
Speaker 2: and reserve contributions. Will come back to those after the

653
00:37:35,695 --> 00:37:37,575
Speaker 2: break as well. In a quick one forty year old

654
00:37:37,615 --> 00:37:40,335
Speaker 2: house insult fluff insulation in the attic. Can we use

655
00:37:40,335 --> 00:37:43,335
Speaker 2: some form of barrier stapled down to contain the insulation?

656
00:37:43,855 --> 00:37:45,815
Speaker 2: I guess you could, but you'd have to be a

657
00:37:45,855 --> 00:37:50,055
Speaker 2: little bit careful around creating condensation. Back after the break

658
00:37:50,215 --> 00:37:51,695
Speaker 2: news top of the r at seven.

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Speaker 10: In the whole stret we tookaha love, We're all yeah

660
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Speaker 10: sure Caser love Dollie Bird, this right is so upan

661
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Speaker 10: Zaberganal that win the bars are.

662
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Speaker 5: Good, right.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the program. Pete wolf Camp, the Resident Builder,

664
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Speaker 2: with you this morning here at News Talk ZB the

665
00:38:35,215 --> 00:38:40,775
Speaker 2: Resident Builder on Sunday, taking your calls on all things building, construction, materials,

666
00:38:40,895 --> 00:38:46,375
Speaker 2: maintenance projects, compliance, legislation. Talking about legislation. In the next hour,

667
00:38:46,455 --> 00:38:47,695
Speaker 2: we're going to have a bit of a chat to

668
00:38:47,935 --> 00:38:51,975
Speaker 2: Hamish Firth, who is a planner, a senior planner, very

669
00:38:52,015 --> 00:38:56,095
Speaker 2: experienced planner from Mount Hobson Group. And when I saw

670
00:38:56,175 --> 00:39:00,295
Speaker 2: this announcement at the beginning of the week from the

671
00:39:00,335 --> 00:39:03,575
Speaker 2: government saying, hey, the government has focused on increasing the

672
00:39:03,615 --> 00:39:07,855
Speaker 2: supply of affordable homes. We're looking at options around enabling

673
00:39:07,855 --> 00:39:10,095
Speaker 2: granny flats of up to sixty square meters to be

674
00:39:10,095 --> 00:39:14,535
Speaker 2: built without necessarily requiring a building or resource consents as

675
00:39:14,575 --> 00:39:17,655
Speaker 2: long as they meet certain criteria. Being quite a lot

676
00:39:17,655 --> 00:39:19,695
Speaker 2: of discussion in the media about it, quite a lot

677
00:39:19,735 --> 00:39:23,415
Speaker 2: of discussion online, some of it good, some of it

678
00:39:23,495 --> 00:39:27,095
Speaker 2: not so good. To be fair, Hamish very experience, So

679
00:39:27,135 --> 00:39:28,535
Speaker 2: we're going to have a bit of a chat about

680
00:39:28,575 --> 00:39:31,135
Speaker 2: that at around eight point fifteen this morning, we're going

681
00:39:31,175 --> 00:39:33,295
Speaker 2: to be talking h one compliance at the end of

682
00:39:33,335 --> 00:39:37,015
Speaker 2: this hour with Nikarti Jones. So busy old morning, eight

683
00:39:37,135 --> 00:39:40,015
Speaker 2: hundred eighty ten eighty. Though, for your calls right now,

684
00:39:40,015 --> 00:39:41,975
Speaker 2: if you've got a question about a project that you

685
00:39:42,215 --> 00:39:45,175
Speaker 2: are underway with, you can call us eight hundred eighty

686
00:39:45,215 --> 00:39:47,895
Speaker 2: ten eighty Hello Robert, Yeah.

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00:39:47,655 --> 00:39:50,775
Speaker 11: Good morning, Pet. I'm a regular listener, but I don't

688
00:39:50,775 --> 00:39:53,895
Speaker 11: contribute to I don't ask any questions, but this morning

689
00:39:53,935 --> 00:39:58,535
Speaker 11: I wish to ask one. Last Sunday you introduced the

690
00:39:58,575 --> 00:40:03,655
Speaker 11: subject of maintenance. Yes, and for my memory, you said

691
00:40:03,735 --> 00:40:08,015
Speaker 11: that maintenance was two things too small, things was ongoing

692
00:40:08,095 --> 00:40:10,735
Speaker 11: and something else, And I can't remember the something else.

693
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Speaker 11: Do you recall what.

694
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Speaker 2: I would probably have said, That it's ongoing and that

695
00:40:15,415 --> 00:40:19,255
Speaker 2: it can be planned, you know, because we know that

696
00:40:19,455 --> 00:40:23,495
Speaker 2: most elements of a building have a life cycle, right,

697
00:40:24,375 --> 00:40:27,615
Speaker 2: so some things will be able to survive for a

698
00:40:27,655 --> 00:40:31,495
Speaker 2: certain amount of time, other things for less. So but certainly,

699
00:40:31,655 --> 00:40:34,215
Speaker 2: you know, like in terms of painting, the one thing

700
00:40:34,255 --> 00:40:37,215
Speaker 2: that I would always say about exterior painting is that

701
00:40:37,815 --> 00:40:41,975
Speaker 2: it will last considerably longer if it's regularly washed.

702
00:40:42,335 --> 00:40:42,535
Speaker 12: Right.

703
00:40:43,855 --> 00:40:46,255
Speaker 2: So again, you could say, well, look, if I paint

704
00:40:46,255 --> 00:40:49,135
Speaker 2: the house, I can expect it to last seven to

705
00:40:49,215 --> 00:40:52,615
Speaker 2: ten years in reasonable condition. Now, I think that if

706
00:40:52,895 --> 00:40:55,575
Speaker 2: and that would be true if you just left it alone.

707
00:40:55,775 --> 00:40:59,535
Speaker 2: I think that if you regularly washed a house and

708
00:40:59,695 --> 00:41:03,295
Speaker 2: washed it correctly, you might get ten to twelve to

709
00:41:03,375 --> 00:41:06,255
Speaker 2: fifteen years out of the paint coating, in which case

710
00:41:06,455 --> 00:41:10,215
Speaker 2: there's a massive advantage to regular and planned maintenance.

711
00:41:12,255 --> 00:41:16,935
Speaker 11: Yeah. I've got a tenant who is a bit reluctant

712
00:41:16,975 --> 00:41:22,255
Speaker 11: to do any maintenance. And boundary fence yep. And I

713
00:41:22,295 --> 00:41:26,095
Speaker 11: agree with your summary that should be ongoing and planned

714
00:41:26,095 --> 00:41:33,935
Speaker 11: and regular. I just wondered how I can persuade my

715
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Speaker 11: my my neighbor.

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00:41:37,935 --> 00:41:43,575
Speaker 2: Right, yes, Yeah, that's a whole other thing, though, isn't it,

717
00:41:43,575 --> 00:41:48,295
Speaker 2: Because now we're talking about human nature and and sometimes

718
00:41:48,295 --> 00:41:52,935
Speaker 2: it's people's either awareness or their ability, or whether they've

719
00:41:52,935 --> 00:41:56,815
Speaker 2: got deep pockets and short arms. You know, there's all

720
00:41:56,855 --> 00:41:59,935
Speaker 2: of those elements that come into it as well. And

721
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Speaker 2: thank you for adding, Yeah, thank you for adding to

722
00:42:03,215 --> 00:42:05,455
Speaker 2: my list, because I've forgotten about the fence that I

723
00:42:05,495 --> 00:42:08,495
Speaker 2: have to replace posts on. So I was looking at

724
00:42:08,535 --> 00:42:10,895
Speaker 2: a place the other day that I look after, and

725
00:42:10,935 --> 00:42:13,015
Speaker 2: the fence is more and more on a lean and

726
00:42:13,055 --> 00:42:14,775
Speaker 2: I kind of gave the fence post a bit of

727
00:42:14,815 --> 00:42:17,495
Speaker 2: a wobble, and I can't figure out whether it was

728
00:42:17,975 --> 00:42:20,215
Speaker 2: it never had concrete around it, in which case it

729
00:42:20,295 --> 00:42:23,695
Speaker 2: started to move, or whether it does have concrete around

730
00:42:23,735 --> 00:42:26,095
Speaker 2: it and the post is actually rotten at the base.

731
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Speaker 2: And either way, I'm going to have to disassemble a

732
00:42:29,375 --> 00:42:32,455
Speaker 2: section of the fence, dig out the old fence posts

733
00:42:32,495 --> 00:42:35,215
Speaker 2: concrete and some new ones, put the fence panels back in,

734
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Speaker 2: because I don't want to have the cost of replacing

735
00:42:38,655 --> 00:42:41,495
Speaker 2: the entire fence. So again, you know, is that maintenance,

736
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Speaker 2: Like if I could I have done anything to maintain

737
00:42:46,055 --> 00:42:50,135
Speaker 2: that fence to stop it falling over into disrepair. Probably not,

738
00:42:50,295 --> 00:42:53,055
Speaker 2: it's just the nature of that fence in the way

739
00:42:53,055 --> 00:42:55,735
Speaker 2: that it was constructed in the first place. But saying

740
00:42:55,775 --> 00:42:59,335
Speaker 2: that I spent I spent a happy Saturday. I spent

741
00:42:59,415 --> 00:43:04,415
Speaker 2: a happy Friday water blasting patios and treating the ground.

742
00:43:04,775 --> 00:43:07,855
Speaker 2: Now that will then eliminate the moss, which will mean

743
00:43:07,935 --> 00:43:11,415
Speaker 2: that it's safer, I e. You won't slip on the pathway.

744
00:43:12,295 --> 00:43:16,455
Speaker 2: And also yeah, that that's part of maintenance as well.

745
00:43:16,455 --> 00:43:17,735
Speaker 2: It's also part of safety.

746
00:43:20,175 --> 00:43:22,615
Speaker 11: Oh that's that's fine. Thank you for that.

747
00:43:23,695 --> 00:43:24,375
Speaker 2: Nice to talk with you.

748
00:43:24,495 --> 00:43:26,055
Speaker 11: I'll enjoy the rest of your progress.

749
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Speaker 2: All the best. Take care, Robert, see that, yes I did. Actually,

750
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Speaker 2: I've kind of forgotten about Friday's endeavors. And water blasting

751
00:43:36,415 --> 00:43:44,095
Speaker 2: is a I'm always conflicted with water blasting because what

752
00:43:44,215 --> 00:43:48,255
Speaker 2: I often see is people who water blast, particularly timber,

753
00:43:48,695 --> 00:43:52,415
Speaker 2: and ruin the timber too much pressure, too close, rips

754
00:43:52,455 --> 00:43:55,455
Speaker 2: through the fibers. Yes, it might clean off the mold

755
00:43:55,495 --> 00:43:57,495
Speaker 2: and mildew and whatever sitting on the top of it,

756
00:43:57,535 --> 00:44:00,015
Speaker 2: but chances are you're actually going to damage the fibers

757
00:44:00,055 --> 00:44:04,095
Speaker 2: of the timber by water blasting timber too close without

758
00:44:04,135 --> 00:44:07,895
Speaker 2: a chemical pre wash. You know, powerwashing is good. Water

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00:44:07,935 --> 00:44:10,855
Speaker 2: blasting in that instance is bad. But at the same time,

760
00:44:10,975 --> 00:44:16,215
Speaker 2: after a couple of hours literally of water blasting edge

761
00:44:16,215 --> 00:44:19,695
Speaker 2: of the house, in the concrete base, and all of

762
00:44:19,735 --> 00:44:23,055
Speaker 2: the patio which had been overgrown which we dealt with

763
00:44:23,135 --> 00:44:25,455
Speaker 2: earlier in the week by doing a massive prune in

764
00:44:25,495 --> 00:44:32,095
Speaker 2: this garden, it's also enormously satisfying. The other thing that

765
00:44:32,215 --> 00:44:35,415
Speaker 2: was enormously satisfying about the water blasting that I did

766
00:44:35,455 --> 00:44:38,455
Speaker 2: on Friday, apart from testing out a new pair of

767
00:44:38,455 --> 00:44:42,455
Speaker 2: gum boots, which were amazing, is that it's on a

768
00:44:42,455 --> 00:44:46,135
Speaker 2: property where we had installed a rainwater tank, so rainwater

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Speaker 2: harvesting now, given all the weather at the moment and

770
00:44:49,095 --> 00:44:50,775
Speaker 2: there's not a lot happening in the garden, there was

771
00:44:50,895 --> 00:44:53,535
Speaker 2: plenty of water in the tank, and so I would

772
00:44:53,575 --> 00:45:00,295
Speaker 2: have worked for about I would say two hours, possibly

773
00:45:00,335 --> 00:45:03,815
Speaker 2: even a little bit more with the water blaster going constantly.

774
00:45:04,295 --> 00:45:07,415
Speaker 2: And I had it simply connected to the water tank,

775
00:45:07,455 --> 00:45:10,295
Speaker 2: which was one of the Bailey slim Line tanks, one

776
00:45:10,295 --> 00:45:13,215
Speaker 2: of their Sustainability series tanks that I put in, So

777
00:45:13,255 --> 00:45:16,295
Speaker 2: two thousand letter tank hooked up to the downpip. It's

778
00:45:16,335 --> 00:45:18,735
Speaker 2: got an overflow, it's got an outlet at the bottom

779
00:45:18,775 --> 00:45:21,455
Speaker 2: with a hose tap on it, and that Bailey water

780
00:45:21,535 --> 00:45:23,735
Speaker 2: tank I would have like, I would have water blasted

781
00:45:23,775 --> 00:45:26,775
Speaker 2: for two hours just using water out of the tank.

782
00:45:26,815 --> 00:45:29,495
Speaker 2: I don't think I even got anywhere near emptying the tank.

783
00:45:29,895 --> 00:45:33,215
Speaker 2: But it is literally hundreds of liters of water that

784
00:45:33,415 --> 00:45:36,775
Speaker 2: I wasn't drawing from the mains. Therefore, in that instance,

785
00:45:36,975 --> 00:45:39,575
Speaker 2: nobody's paying for it. Free water out of that Bailey

786
00:45:39,575 --> 00:45:40,055
Speaker 2: water tank.

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00:45:40,095 --> 00:45:40,295
Speaker 12: It was.

788
00:45:41,455 --> 00:45:43,815
Speaker 2: That was very satisfying in its own way. Speaking of

789
00:45:43,855 --> 00:45:46,415
Speaker 2: people with deep pockets and short arms, Oh, eight hundred

790
00:45:46,535 --> 00:45:48,255
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty is the number to call. We've got

791
00:45:48,255 --> 00:45:51,375
Speaker 2: some spear lines available in for you right now, lots

792
00:45:51,375 --> 00:45:54,135
Speaker 2: of text about the Granny Flats. Happy to take your

793
00:45:54,175 --> 00:45:56,775
Speaker 2: calls on it as well. And if you are really

794
00:45:56,815 --> 00:45:59,735
Speaker 2: engaged with this process, you're interested in it, the government

795
00:45:59,775 --> 00:46:02,495
Speaker 2: actually wants to hear from you, so they're inviting submissions.

796
00:46:02,495 --> 00:46:05,895
Speaker 2: You can have a look online and then make your submission.

797
00:46:05,935 --> 00:46:07,655
Speaker 2: You might I think it's a great idea. You might

798
00:46:07,695 --> 00:46:11,495
Speaker 2: think that it is a disastrous idea that will lead

799
00:46:11,575 --> 00:46:17,415
Speaker 2: to shabby, poorly built housing popping up in the worst

800
00:46:17,455 --> 00:46:21,895
Speaker 2: possible places, and it's just going to create chantytowns. And

801
00:46:21,975 --> 00:46:25,215
Speaker 2: to be fair, either of those options is probably quite possible. Oh,

802
00:46:25,295 --> 00:46:27,375
Speaker 2: eight hundred eighty ten eighty call us now. It is

803
00:46:27,415 --> 00:46:31,735
Speaker 2: fifteen minutes after seven. Another question we're going to add

804
00:46:31,735 --> 00:46:33,295
Speaker 2: to the list of things that we'll talk about with

805
00:46:33,335 --> 00:46:37,615
Speaker 2: Hamish Firth from Mount Hobson Group. After eight o'clock is around.

806
00:46:37,655 --> 00:46:41,055
Speaker 2: Who can then occupy the granny flat? So Texas has

807
00:46:41,095 --> 00:46:44,495
Speaker 2: come through. Granny Flat can only be occupied by close family.

808
00:46:44,535 --> 00:46:46,015
Speaker 2: If you want to rent it out, you need to

809
00:46:46,015 --> 00:46:49,415
Speaker 2: get it consented as a minor unit. So different rules

810
00:46:50,255 --> 00:46:54,055
Speaker 2: that will be really interesting to talk about. Marty, talk

811
00:46:54,095 --> 00:46:56,895
Speaker 2: to me about Granni flats.

812
00:46:57,615 --> 00:47:00,615
Speaker 4: He look, I think.

813
00:47:04,495 --> 00:47:06,255
Speaker 2: We may try and get you back on a better line.

814
00:47:06,455 --> 00:47:10,575
Speaker 2: Mary just stayed with us and Sarah in the meantime.

815
00:47:10,615 --> 00:47:11,615
Speaker 2: Good morning to you.

816
00:47:12,815 --> 00:47:13,735
Speaker 13: Good morning Peters.

817
00:47:14,135 --> 00:47:15,095
Speaker 2: I'm very well, thank you.

818
00:47:16,415 --> 00:47:20,255
Speaker 13: I have a question regarding drainage. So I have a

819
00:47:20,295 --> 00:47:26,335
Speaker 13: rental property that was affected by six cyclone Gabrielle, Yes,

820
00:47:26,935 --> 00:47:33,775
Speaker 13: and wanting to know whether there's any rules about what's

821
00:47:33,975 --> 00:47:35,415
Speaker 13: adequate drainage.

822
00:47:36,935 --> 00:47:39,895
Speaker 2: Oh, very good question. Yeah, because I mean what we

823
00:47:39,935 --> 00:47:42,975
Speaker 2: saw if you were in the Auckland area, and I'll

824
00:47:42,975 --> 00:47:45,535
Speaker 2: stick with what I know about Auckland with the floods

825
00:47:45,575 --> 00:47:49,255
Speaker 2: in January and then again in February, is that over

826
00:47:49,535 --> 00:47:52,655
Speaker 2: a twenty four hour period in Auckland, especially in January,

827
00:47:52,695 --> 00:47:56,255
Speaker 2: we had somewhere approaching two hundred and forty millimeters of

828
00:47:56,335 --> 00:48:01,655
Speaker 2: rain right over that period. And by and large a

829
00:48:01,775 --> 00:48:05,815
Speaker 2: one and one hundred year flood event might include rainfall

830
00:48:05,855 --> 00:48:09,935
Speaker 2: of up to about eighty millimeters, right, so we're three

831
00:48:10,015 --> 00:48:14,135
Speaker 2: times more than what we would expect to have once

832
00:48:14,175 --> 00:48:16,775
Speaker 2: every hundred years. So in that sense, you know, if

833
00:48:16,815 --> 00:48:21,135
Speaker 2: your drainage overflowed or your downpipes overflowed or the spouting

834
00:48:21,215 --> 00:48:27,295
Speaker 2: overflowed during that rain event. That's not surprising, right. What

835
00:48:27,375 --> 00:48:32,135
Speaker 2: will be challenging is will we see standards or performance

836
00:48:32,415 --> 00:48:37,535
Speaker 2: expectations for drainage increase because of these events which might happen.

837
00:48:37,535 --> 00:48:41,895
Speaker 2: But currently the legislation, you know, there's rules already in

838
00:48:41,935 --> 00:48:44,095
Speaker 2: the Building Act and in the Building or in the

839
00:48:44,095 --> 00:48:47,335
Speaker 2: Building Code rather around let's say, how many square meters

840
00:48:47,335 --> 00:48:51,455
Speaker 2: of roof per downpipe, what the size of the downpipe is,

841
00:48:51,855 --> 00:48:54,415
Speaker 2: what the size of the pipe in the ground has

842
00:48:54,455 --> 00:48:57,295
Speaker 2: to be, all of these sorts of things. So if

843
00:48:57,735 --> 00:49:00,815
Speaker 2: what you've got at the moment complies with that, then

844
00:49:00,855 --> 00:49:04,015
Speaker 2: that would be considered adequate. Whether it's going to be

845
00:49:04,055 --> 00:49:06,495
Speaker 2: adequate in the future is a question for others.

846
00:49:08,135 --> 00:49:11,855
Speaker 13: And who determines whether it's adequate or not.

847
00:49:12,695 --> 00:49:15,455
Speaker 2: Okay, So even in terms of like because there is

848
00:49:15,615 --> 00:49:19,615
Speaker 2: a requirement under the Healthy Homes Standard right as part

849
00:49:19,655 --> 00:49:22,415
Speaker 2: of the residential tendency, which says that you have to

850
00:49:22,415 --> 00:49:25,575
Speaker 2: have adequate drainage, and that's probably what you're focusing on.

851
00:49:26,055 --> 00:49:29,695
Speaker 2: So I think there if you were to, if let's say,

852
00:49:29,695 --> 00:49:33,055
Speaker 2: somebody challenges it and says the drainage on this property

853
00:49:33,135 --> 00:49:35,375
Speaker 2: is inadequate, and I'm going to go to the tenancy

854
00:49:35,415 --> 00:49:39,055
Speaker 2: tribunal and tell on you. You would probably need to

855
00:49:39,095 --> 00:49:42,695
Speaker 2: find a drain layer or a building survey who could

856
00:49:42,695 --> 00:49:45,215
Speaker 2: have a look and say, in fact, what we've got

857
00:49:45,295 --> 00:49:48,655
Speaker 2: is one two five spouting, we've got this number of downpipes,

858
00:49:48,695 --> 00:49:52,775
Speaker 2: we've got this catchment area. It's directed into council or

859
00:49:52,815 --> 00:49:56,495
Speaker 2: it's directed into private storm water which connects to public

860
00:49:56,575 --> 00:50:01,375
Speaker 2: storm water. All of these things are compliant with current legislation.

861
00:50:01,735 --> 00:50:04,655
Speaker 2: The fact it was overwhelmed is because it was an

862
00:50:04,695 --> 00:50:07,815
Speaker 2: extreme event rather than and every day. Now, if you

863
00:50:07,855 --> 00:50:10,975
Speaker 2: get ten millimeters of rain at your property and there's

864
00:50:12,055 --> 00:50:16,015
Speaker 2: flooding and somebody actually finds that, well, actually it might

865
00:50:16,095 --> 00:50:18,495
Speaker 2: go into the ground, but it goes into a soakage

866
00:50:18,495 --> 00:50:21,575
Speaker 2: pit that was done forty years ago and now has

867
00:50:21,655 --> 00:50:25,335
Speaker 2: no containment at all, then it's probably fair to say

868
00:50:25,375 --> 00:50:28,255
Speaker 2: it's inadequate and not fit for purpose, in which case

869
00:50:28,295 --> 00:50:29,615
Speaker 2: you'd need to do some upgrades.

870
00:50:30,935 --> 00:50:38,055
Speaker 13: Okay, So what about if the property is so slightly

871
00:50:38,095 --> 00:50:39,575
Speaker 13: below the street level?

872
00:50:41,015 --> 00:50:42,015
Speaker 6: Is that.

873
00:50:44,735 --> 00:50:48,335
Speaker 2: Again there's very little that you as a landlord could

874
00:50:48,375 --> 00:50:52,215
Speaker 2: do about that if it's being inundated, because it's in

875
00:50:52,255 --> 00:50:54,575
Speaker 2: a floodplain and this might be quite interesting to do.

876
00:50:56,055 --> 00:51:00,615
Speaker 2: Councils have just or Auckland Councils specifically, has just issued

877
00:51:01,055 --> 00:51:04,855
Speaker 2: a new has just created a new website called flood Viewer.

878
00:51:06,055 --> 00:51:09,415
Speaker 2: And if you've ever gone onto a council website, there's

879
00:51:09,415 --> 00:51:12,055
Speaker 2: a thing called a gis right, you can look at

880
00:51:12,095 --> 00:51:15,535
Speaker 2: all sorts of information about where drainage is, where overland

881
00:51:15,535 --> 00:51:18,575
Speaker 2: flow paths are, where natural hazards are, et cetera, et cetera.

882
00:51:19,015 --> 00:51:24,535
Speaker 2: But flood Viewer is newly developed and it has information

883
00:51:24,615 --> 00:51:29,255
Speaker 2: that's obviously been gathered via lider from the recent flood

884
00:51:29,295 --> 00:51:33,495
Speaker 2: events and so it's updated and it's very very specific.

885
00:51:33,655 --> 00:51:36,335
Speaker 2: And I know this because I've looked at a number

886
00:51:36,335 --> 00:51:40,175
Speaker 2: of properties that I'm engaged with to see where the

887
00:51:40,295 --> 00:51:45,815
Speaker 2: new flooding zones are likely to be. So go online,

888
00:51:45,975 --> 00:51:49,135
Speaker 2: go on to flood Viewer and then type in the

889
00:51:49,175 --> 00:51:52,655
Speaker 2: address and you might find that suddenly you are actually

890
00:51:52,695 --> 00:51:55,975
Speaker 2: in a flood zone.

891
00:51:55,415 --> 00:51:57,775
Speaker 13: Right, Okay, which is interesting.

892
00:51:57,855 --> 00:52:00,335
Speaker 2: Yeah, have a look at that. But in terms of

893
00:52:00,415 --> 00:52:04,095
Speaker 2: compliance with the Healthy Homes Act, you know, if there

894
00:52:04,135 --> 00:52:08,335
Speaker 2: are like if there's poor drainage, then you would need

895
00:52:08,375 --> 00:52:11,015
Speaker 2: to get it done, but deciding what poor drainage is.

896
00:52:11,095 --> 00:52:12,535
Speaker 2: You might get a drain layer, you might get a

897
00:52:12,535 --> 00:52:13,935
Speaker 2: building surveyor to have a look at it.

898
00:52:14,695 --> 00:52:15,415
Speaker 14: That's what I'm.

899
00:52:17,095 --> 00:52:20,655
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, what's considered adequate. That's good point. Good luck

900
00:52:20,655 --> 00:52:23,615
Speaker 2: with that. Alrighty, all of this is Hereah, you take care,

901
00:52:23,855 --> 00:52:26,015
Speaker 2: thank you, and Shirley are very good morning to you.

902
00:52:26,855 --> 00:52:30,895
Speaker 15: Oh, good morning. Just a quick question about you know,

903
00:52:30,935 --> 00:52:34,815
Speaker 15: you're talking about housewashing, the best best thing to use

904
00:52:35,255 --> 00:52:39,815
Speaker 15: for housewashing. We've used some of these products you can buy.

905
00:52:41,255 --> 00:52:42,135
Speaker 3: I don't know if I can.

906
00:52:41,975 --> 00:52:46,735
Speaker 15: Say the brand or not, like thirty Seconds house Clean

907
00:52:46,735 --> 00:52:48,455
Speaker 15: and it's sort of got like a bleach and I

908
00:52:48,495 --> 00:52:50,695
Speaker 15: think is a good thing to you.

909
00:52:50,895 --> 00:52:53,495
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's a bunch of proprietary ones. Like

910
00:52:54,295 --> 00:52:56,655
Speaker 2: to be fair, I would typically like when I've done

911
00:52:56,655 --> 00:53:00,935
Speaker 2: some house washing, let's say, in for paint preparation, because

912
00:53:00,935 --> 00:53:02,895
Speaker 2: I buy my paints from Razine, I tend to go

913
00:53:02,935 --> 00:53:05,175
Speaker 2: and buy a house washed product that they've got in

914
00:53:05,255 --> 00:53:10,415
Speaker 2: the stores as well. I guess broadly speaking, most of

915
00:53:10,455 --> 00:53:13,815
Speaker 2: them all operate out of the same thing, you know,

916
00:53:13,895 --> 00:53:15,975
Speaker 2: in terms of what chemicals they might have in them,

917
00:53:16,175 --> 00:53:20,375
Speaker 2: But certainly having a pre wash makes a significant difference,

918
00:53:20,535 --> 00:53:24,815
Speaker 2: and so I mentioned I had our own house family

919
00:53:24,855 --> 00:53:27,655
Speaker 2: home wash. The other day, I talked to the young

920
00:53:27,655 --> 00:53:30,215
Speaker 2: fellow who was coming to do it, and he had

921
00:53:30,455 --> 00:53:33,895
Speaker 2: a pre wash solution, which is sort of a commercial

922
00:53:33,935 --> 00:53:37,615
Speaker 2: grade one. He applied an application allowed that to sort of,

923
00:53:37,935 --> 00:53:40,255
Speaker 2: you know, get into all of that moss and mold

924
00:53:40,295 --> 00:53:42,615
Speaker 2: that grows on the outside of a house, and then

925
00:53:42,695 --> 00:53:45,815
Speaker 2: he did a powerwash. So not not he it was

926
00:53:45,855 --> 00:53:47,695
Speaker 2: a water blaster, but he used it in such a

927
00:53:47,695 --> 00:53:50,695
Speaker 2: way where he wasn't directing a massive amount of water

928
00:53:50,855 --> 00:53:53,495
Speaker 2: onto the building, which is really important. So I think

929
00:53:53,935 --> 00:53:56,855
Speaker 2: a pre wash or a treatment before you wash the

930
00:53:56,895 --> 00:53:57,815
Speaker 2: house is essential.

931
00:53:59,655 --> 00:54:03,095
Speaker 15: Okay, Well so yeah, I mean, or the our house

932
00:54:03,615 --> 00:54:07,255
Speaker 15: doesn't really have any stuff throwing, would you still need

933
00:54:07,295 --> 00:54:08,935
Speaker 15: a pre washer that hasn't got much.

934
00:54:08,975 --> 00:54:11,735
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would still do that because I think what

935
00:54:11,815 --> 00:54:16,535
Speaker 2: it's doing then is it's it's treating the paint surface, right,

936
00:54:16,975 --> 00:54:19,255
Speaker 2: And even if you can't see it, I would suggest

937
00:54:19,295 --> 00:54:22,055
Speaker 2: that that's great because obviously you look after it, right,

938
00:54:23,135 --> 00:54:26,535
Speaker 2: But if you don't, what you'll see is just more

939
00:54:26,655 --> 00:54:29,335
Speaker 2: mold and mold growth, particularly on southern sides of the

940
00:54:29,335 --> 00:54:31,615
Speaker 2: house areas where it might be a bit damp that

941
00:54:31,695 --> 00:54:33,775
Speaker 2: sort of thing. So yeah, I think a pre wash

942
00:54:33,815 --> 00:54:37,575
Speaker 2: and then a gentle soft wash using a powerwasher is

943
00:54:37,655 --> 00:54:41,335
Speaker 2: the way to go. But the treatment is really important.

944
00:54:42,295 --> 00:54:44,135
Speaker 15: So the pre wash is that what it's called.

945
00:54:44,655 --> 00:54:47,255
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would call it like a pre wash treatment.

946
00:54:47,455 --> 00:54:50,255
Speaker 2: So in some some water blasters, even the one that

947
00:54:50,295 --> 00:54:52,615
Speaker 2: I was using the other day, actually has a facility

948
00:54:52,655 --> 00:54:54,975
Speaker 2: where you can put in a wash element into it

949
00:54:55,335 --> 00:54:57,695
Speaker 2: and then spray that out. So when I was doing

950
00:54:57,775 --> 00:55:01,295
Speaker 2: some of the cleaning the pathways, I put in some

951
00:55:01,455 --> 00:55:04,415
Speaker 2: cleaner into that, sprayed it, let it settle on the

952
00:55:04,455 --> 00:55:06,855
Speaker 2: pathway for half an hour or so. Well, I did

953
00:55:06,895 --> 00:55:09,615
Speaker 2: another job and then I came back and washed it

954
00:55:09,655 --> 00:55:12,855
Speaker 2: all off. So let the chemicals do some of the

955
00:55:12,895 --> 00:55:13,335
Speaker 2: work for you.

956
00:55:14,295 --> 00:55:16,015
Speaker 15: Okay, all right, thanks so much, right.

957
00:55:16,815 --> 00:55:23,735
Speaker 2: Take care. It was good fun. I was filthy and wet.

958
00:55:23,975 --> 00:55:26,415
Speaker 2: My feet weren't because I was wearing my new gun boots.

959
00:55:28,095 --> 00:55:32,695
Speaker 2: But it's hard. I was hoping that the gunboats would

960
00:55:32,735 --> 00:55:36,455
Speaker 2: look worn in. They are these new Noramax gum boats.

961
00:55:36,455 --> 00:55:38,495
Speaker 2: I was hoping. I was really really hoping that they

962
00:55:38,495 --> 00:55:40,335
Speaker 2: would look worn in. But they look brand new, even

963
00:55:40,375 --> 00:55:42,735
Speaker 2: after I've been doing all this work. So I've got

964
00:55:42,775 --> 00:55:44,215
Speaker 2: to go and do another job now to make them

965
00:55:44,215 --> 00:55:46,855
Speaker 2: look a bit old, because we all know there is

966
00:55:46,895 --> 00:55:50,215
Speaker 2: no credibility in wearing brand new gun boots out in public.

967
00:55:50,495 --> 00:55:55,775
Speaker 2: Twenty seven minutes after seven, let's talk to Tom. Hello there, Tom,

968
00:55:55,775 --> 00:55:57,855
Speaker 2: Good morning, sir, good ones.

969
00:55:58,295 --> 00:56:00,855
Speaker 7: I hear you all the time, like the pose and

970
00:56:00,935 --> 00:56:01,295
Speaker 7: the time.

971
00:56:02,935 --> 00:56:04,975
Speaker 2: I like that phrase. I'm going to pokemon nose and

972
00:56:05,495 --> 00:56:07,575
Speaker 2: I might do that as an introduction to the show.

973
00:56:07,815 --> 00:56:09,815
Speaker 2: Welcome folks, if you'd like to poke your nose and

974
00:56:10,095 --> 00:56:13,335
Speaker 2: you can call eight hun. How can I help.

975
00:56:13,255 --> 00:56:14,575
Speaker 3: Tim well.

976
00:56:16,895 --> 00:56:22,135
Speaker 7: Your detergent spray? That's I recommend that too, because before,

977
00:56:22,415 --> 00:56:25,535
Speaker 7: in the early days, we really wrecked the surface of things,

978
00:56:25,775 --> 00:56:28,495
Speaker 7: including blocks. By the way, you probably know, it rips

979
00:56:28,495 --> 00:56:31,175
Speaker 7: hell out of the surface and it can then creation

980
00:56:31,415 --> 00:56:36,055
Speaker 7: worse there. But that prev wast detergent or during was

981
00:56:36,175 --> 00:56:38,655
Speaker 7: Detergent's good move as long as you don't get the

982
00:56:38,735 --> 00:56:42,375
Speaker 7: thing too close to the work. Why I'm ringing now

983
00:56:42,495 --> 00:56:44,935
Speaker 7: is because I think it'd be a very good move

984
00:56:45,215 --> 00:56:48,695
Speaker 7: if we're allowed to do these sixty square meter buildings

985
00:56:49,495 --> 00:56:52,855
Speaker 7: or similar to make sure they go wooden floors that

986
00:56:52,935 --> 00:56:56,535
Speaker 7: can be picked up and taken away if anything goes wrong,

987
00:56:56,775 --> 00:57:00,415
Speaker 7: or if your bigger developed are happening not conquered floors,

988
00:57:00,815 --> 00:57:02,655
Speaker 7: so you can't take the building away.

989
00:57:02,775 --> 00:57:05,775
Speaker 2: See I suspect that that's in fact, I think even

990
00:57:05,815 --> 00:57:08,735
Speaker 2: in the current legislation around being able to build up

991
00:57:08,735 --> 00:57:12,415
Speaker 2: to thirty square meters without necessarily having a consent, as

992
00:57:12,455 --> 00:57:15,055
Speaker 2: soon as you do a concrete slab, I think it

993
00:57:15,095 --> 00:57:18,135
Speaker 2: probably triggers the requirement for a building consent. So yeah,

994
00:57:18,215 --> 00:57:20,135
Speaker 2: like you say, if you did, and this is where

995
00:57:20,175 --> 00:57:22,655
Speaker 2: things like screw piles might come into their own as well,

996
00:57:22,975 --> 00:57:26,375
Speaker 2: that you could do these screw piles, pop down the

997
00:57:26,415 --> 00:57:29,735
Speaker 2: minor dwelling on top of it, and then if you

998
00:57:29,775 --> 00:57:31,855
Speaker 2: did want to move it later on. Although picking up

999
00:57:31,895 --> 00:57:38,535
Speaker 2: a sixty square meter building is not a small job, right.

1000
00:57:37,695 --> 00:57:40,735
Speaker 7: But it can be done now you do crane and

1001
00:57:40,775 --> 00:57:43,975
Speaker 7: taken away, but you can cut it in half you

1002
00:57:43,975 --> 00:57:45,615
Speaker 7: want it not. But the point is I make and

1003
00:57:45,655 --> 00:57:48,175
Speaker 7: you can take a good building and put it somewhere else.

1004
00:57:48,495 --> 00:57:52,415
Speaker 7: We'll move it slightly and put another extension in. I've

1005
00:57:52,415 --> 00:57:55,215
Speaker 7: been building so long that a lot of my commercial

1006
00:57:55,215 --> 00:58:00,695
Speaker 7: buildings have been taken away and replaced on roads. Well.

1007
00:58:01,175 --> 00:58:06,215
Speaker 7: All the rest started off in nineteen sixty I think.

1008
00:58:06,055 --> 00:58:12,015
Speaker 2: Is I know the Great South throw reasonably well because

1009
00:58:12,015 --> 00:58:14,015
Speaker 2: I used to live in Papa Toy and we you know,

1010
00:58:14,215 --> 00:58:17,375
Speaker 2: you'd cycle on that most days actually, as it happens,

1011
00:58:17,535 --> 00:58:21,535
Speaker 2: a great South road. Yeah, hey, look, I appreciate it,

1012
00:58:21,575 --> 00:58:24,015
Speaker 2: I think, And this is I guess this is where

1013
00:58:24,015 --> 00:58:27,575
Speaker 2: the consultation will be interesting and where we might land

1014
00:58:27,735 --> 00:58:30,375
Speaker 2: in terms of an actual piece of legislation that says

1015
00:58:30,375 --> 00:58:32,895
Speaker 2: you can do X, Y and Z. And I agree

1016
00:58:32,895 --> 00:58:36,095
Speaker 2: with you. I think that anything that is going to

1017
00:58:36,135 --> 00:58:38,615
Speaker 2: be allowed to be built up to sixty square meters

1018
00:58:38,655 --> 00:58:42,775
Speaker 2: without necessarily requiring a building consent probably needs to be

1019
00:58:42,815 --> 00:58:46,855
Speaker 2: built with a timber floor rather than a concrete slab

1020
00:58:47,055 --> 00:58:47,695
Speaker 2: on the ground.

1021
00:58:48,655 --> 00:58:51,015
Speaker 16: Right, you tell them all right, I'll put it in

1022
00:58:51,095 --> 00:58:54,015
Speaker 16: your name. Tom much appreciated, lovely to chat with you.

1023
00:58:54,215 --> 00:58:56,775
Speaker 16: Take care then you and Newstalks Heed be I think

1024
00:58:56,775 --> 00:58:58,375
Speaker 16: we should take a break. Let's do that right now,

1025
00:58:58,375 --> 00:59:00,295
Speaker 16: and then we'll come back and talk flooding with Greg

1026
00:59:01,775 --> 00:59:04,495
Speaker 16: seven thirty five at Newstalk's head be Greg, good morning

1027
00:59:04,535 --> 00:59:04,895
Speaker 16: to you.

1028
00:59:05,775 --> 00:59:09,815
Speaker 14: Yeah, hey, Pete, great to talk to you. Thank you

1029
00:59:09,855 --> 00:59:12,895
Speaker 14: for your show. So yeah, two two aspects want to

1030
00:59:12,935 --> 00:59:14,855
Speaker 14: just discussed on the flooding.

1031
00:59:14,855 --> 00:59:14,975
Speaker 17: Now.

1032
00:59:15,015 --> 00:59:17,375
Speaker 14: I'm an Auckland of course, I've lived in Westleton all

1033
00:59:17,455 --> 00:59:20,015
Speaker 14: my life, and I've probably lived in places that were

1034
00:59:20,015 --> 00:59:22,375
Speaker 14: built in swamps old swamps in the past that were

1035
00:59:22,455 --> 00:59:26,095
Speaker 14: underwater last year. I currently own a place on very

1036
00:59:26,095 --> 00:59:28,775
Speaker 14: elevated land in Wessels and so not a price for now.

1037
00:59:28,815 --> 00:59:31,175
Speaker 14: But I was looking at those flood view of maps

1038
00:59:31,175 --> 00:59:34,455
Speaker 14: from working councils. Yes, now, the old map and the

1039
00:59:34,495 --> 00:59:38,215
Speaker 14: new ones. But I know one hundred those maps are

1040
00:59:38,215 --> 00:59:40,575
Speaker 14: out of date now because the high tide of the

1041
00:59:40,655 --> 00:59:43,215
Speaker 14: floods in the you know, a lot of house, of

1042
00:59:43,495 --> 00:59:45,735
Speaker 14: lot of streets, and we're talking run along the creeks

1043
00:59:46,215 --> 00:59:48,815
Speaker 14: the course. I'm very flat land, and the actual high

1044
00:59:48,935 --> 00:59:52,575
Speaker 14: tide of where those flood warders came through exceeds the

1045
00:59:52,615 --> 00:59:55,575
Speaker 14: current map, even the new ones. Really, those maps are

1046
00:59:55,575 --> 00:59:57,895
Speaker 14: already out of date. They're already out of date. I

1047
00:59:58,375 --> 01:00:01,095
Speaker 14: know they've gone past by many meters. We've got friends

1048
01:00:01,095 --> 01:00:03,815
Speaker 14: in these areas.

1049
01:00:01,895 --> 01:00:07,335
Speaker 2: And well that's look and I'm I'm intrigued by that

1050
01:00:08,335 --> 01:00:14,055
Speaker 2: in the sense that I looked at some property a

1051
01:00:14,135 --> 01:00:18,975
Speaker 2: specific area that I know well, and i'd been involved

1052
01:00:19,015 --> 01:00:23,175
Speaker 2: in remediation of the flood damage last year to properties

1053
01:00:23,175 --> 01:00:25,175
Speaker 2: that were like two or three hundred meters away from

1054
01:00:25,975 --> 01:00:27,975
Speaker 2: this other one. And so when I looked on the

1055
01:00:28,015 --> 01:00:31,895
Speaker 2: flood viewer, I was impressed at how accurate and up

1056
01:00:31,975 --> 01:00:36,055
Speaker 2: to date it was and how extensive it showed areas

1057
01:00:36,095 --> 01:00:38,815
Speaker 2: that would be prone to flooding in the future based

1058
01:00:38,855 --> 01:00:41,375
Speaker 2: on evidence from what happened back in January and then

1059
01:00:41,415 --> 01:00:44,255
Speaker 2: again in February. So my experience of it has been

1060
01:00:44,615 --> 01:00:46,695
Speaker 2: I looked at it and there was a particular property

1061
01:00:46,695 --> 01:00:48,095
Speaker 2: that I was looking at, and it was like the

1062
01:00:48,935 --> 01:00:52,015
Speaker 2: flood zone came right up to the boundary basically, and

1063
01:00:52,655 --> 01:00:55,775
Speaker 2: interestingly enough, looking at those properties, and I've known this

1064
01:00:55,855 --> 01:00:59,335
Speaker 2: area for twenty five years, thirty years. There would have

1065
01:00:59,415 --> 01:01:02,295
Speaker 2: been one or two occasions in thirty years where some

1066
01:01:02,375 --> 01:01:04,615
Speaker 2: of the properties in the most low lying part of

1067
01:01:04,655 --> 01:01:08,375
Speaker 2: it had had some flooding of like basements and that

1068
01:01:08,455 --> 01:01:12,655
Speaker 2: sort of thing. But then based on last year's rainfall,

1069
01:01:13,095 --> 01:01:16,495
Speaker 2: it was way more extensive and that was reflected in floodviewer.

1070
01:01:16,575 --> 01:01:18,935
Speaker 2: So it's interesting to hear you say, look, you know

1071
01:01:19,015 --> 01:01:22,215
Speaker 2: properties that were flooded last year that haven't been included

1072
01:01:22,255 --> 01:01:24,735
Speaker 2: in flood flowed flood viewer.

1073
01:01:25,975 --> 01:01:28,495
Speaker 14: It could be that these properties had just you know,

1074
01:01:28,695 --> 01:01:32,175
Speaker 14: massive rainfall locals in the area and caused those creeks

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01:01:32,175 --> 01:01:34,695
Speaker 14: to come up more than what the flood viewer map showed.

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01:01:34,935 --> 01:01:37,775
Speaker 2: Yeah, but what again when I was looking at it

1077
01:01:37,815 --> 01:01:40,895
Speaker 2: the other day, like you know, last year during the floods,

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Speaker 2: the Northern Motorway between Esmond Road and Northcote Road was

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01:01:45,735 --> 01:01:49,775
Speaker 2: a meter underwater. Now, I've lived in Kland my whole life.

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01:01:49,895 --> 01:01:53,935
Speaker 2: I've never ever seen that, and yet it happened last

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01:01:54,015 --> 01:01:57,415
Speaker 2: year and if you look on flood viewer, it's evidenced there.

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01:01:58,575 --> 01:02:01,615
Speaker 18: Okay, oh, maybe it is they have updated they haven't

1083
01:02:02,095 --> 01:02:06,175
Speaker 18: it everywhere, or maybe some catchment area's got more rain

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01:02:06,575 --> 01:02:09,135
Speaker 18: than the floods viewer anticipated they would get.

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01:02:09,295 --> 01:02:09,495
Speaker 12: Yeah.

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01:02:09,535 --> 01:02:12,295
Speaker 2: Possibly, Look, it's a dynamic thing, isn't it.

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01:02:13,415 --> 01:02:16,575
Speaker 14: Yah, But it was at one one point eight meters

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01:02:16,615 --> 01:02:19,855
Speaker 14: around the year, yep, and averages one point two. West

1089
01:02:19,895 --> 01:02:23,615
Speaker 14: often gets the southwesterly windsors We're the first generally, and

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01:02:23,695 --> 01:02:25,615
Speaker 14: you get a lot of rainfall and ateagories that then

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01:02:25,735 --> 01:02:28,095
Speaker 14: flow into those creeks and the West Sorcelands.

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01:02:28,375 --> 01:02:28,535
Speaker 18: Yeah.

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01:02:28,575 --> 01:02:31,095
Speaker 2: And of course you know the challenge for parts of

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01:02:31,095 --> 01:02:35,255
Speaker 2: Westalkland and sort of northwest Aalkland is that for it

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01:02:35,335 --> 01:02:37,455
Speaker 2: to get to the sea, it's got to go into

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01:02:37,495 --> 01:02:42,215
Speaker 2: the Kuiper Harbor and out. That's a long way to go. Yeah,

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01:02:42,455 --> 01:02:43,295
Speaker 2: you know, it doesn't.

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01:02:44,015 --> 01:02:47,535
Speaker 14: Come yep, Riverhead, and I see they're still trying to

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01:02:47,535 --> 01:02:51,015
Speaker 14: build new places at Riverhead and the flood zones were

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01:02:51,095 --> 01:02:53,495
Speaker 14: next to the flood zone and Riverhead, you know, very

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01:02:53,535 --> 01:02:57,535
Speaker 14: flat areas. But the push for housing, there's always a compromise,

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01:02:57,615 --> 01:02:59,855
Speaker 14: isn't it. You know, you're built the build it like

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01:02:59,895 --> 01:03:02,135
Speaker 14: the Gulf Coast of the America. They build it twenty

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01:03:02,135 --> 01:03:02,695
Speaker 14: feet in the air.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, it's it's going to be really and

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01:03:05,495 --> 01:03:07,655
Speaker 2: look again, you know, because we all know stories, right

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01:03:08,015 --> 01:03:11,975
Speaker 2: And I know someone who built in an area where

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01:03:11,975 --> 01:03:14,855
Speaker 2: they knew there was flooding, and so when they submitted

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01:03:14,855 --> 01:03:18,215
Speaker 2: their building consent, they raised the level of their floor,

1110
01:03:18,415 --> 01:03:21,895
Speaker 2: so concrete floor on grade, two story house on it.

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01:03:22,215 --> 01:03:26,215
Speaker 2: They decided that they would build six hundred millimeters above

1112
01:03:26,375 --> 01:03:30,055
Speaker 2: the required minimum, and they still got one hundred millimeters

1113
01:03:30,095 --> 01:03:32,455
Speaker 2: of rain through the house of flood water through the house,

1114
01:03:32,895 --> 01:03:35,615
Speaker 2: and they went six hundred mile above the flood zone.

1115
01:03:36,295 --> 01:03:38,815
Speaker 14: That's where the new you know, everything's done on concrete.

1116
01:03:38,855 --> 01:03:40,855
Speaker 14: Concrete is on ground level, isn't it and the water

1117
01:03:40,935 --> 01:03:43,255
Speaker 14: backs up behind that. Whereas the old days and with

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01:03:43,415 --> 01:03:46,295
Speaker 14: often everything it was good and we thought most things

1119
01:03:46,295 --> 01:03:48,135
Speaker 14: were on past because they knew they had flooding, but

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Speaker 14: they probably weren't. They should be at two meters off

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01:03:50,495 --> 01:03:51,975
Speaker 14: the ground as a bit of the one meter off

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01:03:51,975 --> 01:03:52,415
Speaker 14: the ground.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I've been out to sat West Aokland houses

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01:03:55,575 --> 01:03:58,495
Speaker 2: as well that were alongside the creek and they got flooded,

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01:03:58,695 --> 01:04:01,575
Speaker 2: not in the January floods, but in floods from two

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01:04:01,695 --> 01:04:06,655
Speaker 2: three years ago. So it's going to be a real challenge.

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Speaker 14: And also, Pete, you've got a lot of these I know,

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Speaker 14: a lot of streets and we're thought we're used to

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01:04:10,975 --> 01:04:13,775
Speaker 14: living in their blind and like the whole side of

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01:04:13,815 --> 01:04:16,215
Speaker 14: the streets was underwater the other side of it because

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01:04:16,215 --> 01:04:19,935
Speaker 14: they build these. Of course, the build the street alongside

1132
01:04:19,935 --> 01:04:21,855
Speaker 14: the creek because it's nice flat land and it's the

1133
01:04:22,015 --> 01:04:24,535
Speaker 14: geology to build a straight road on. Of course it's

1134
01:04:24,535 --> 01:04:27,335
Speaker 14: on flat land, and that whole side of the street

1135
01:04:27,415 --> 01:04:29,815
Speaker 14: basically is a council buying them out, but some people

1136
01:04:29,855 --> 01:04:31,935
Speaker 14: are going to hold out, so you're getting the houses

1137
01:04:31,975 --> 01:04:34,055
Speaker 14: being removed, but people living in the house next to it,

1138
01:04:34,095 --> 01:04:36,935
Speaker 14: because they've bought it cheap and they've renovated it. I

1139
01:04:37,055 --> 01:04:39,575
Speaker 14: just think, why would you buy it cheap and renovated

1140
01:04:39,575 --> 01:04:41,655
Speaker 14: it because it's going to get, you know, something to

1141
01:04:41,975 --> 01:04:45,015
Speaker 14: blood recently at two hundred bills. Yet to say it's

1142
01:04:45,015 --> 01:04:48,655
Speaker 14: going to happen again, isn't it It's going to happen again.

1143
01:04:48,895 --> 01:04:49,295
Speaker 12: I don't know.

1144
01:04:49,735 --> 01:04:52,415
Speaker 2: Undoubtedly we're going to have more and more flooding, without

1145
01:04:52,455 --> 01:04:56,095
Speaker 2: a doubt. I appreciate the call and the insights much appreciated.

1146
01:04:56,175 --> 01:04:58,215
Speaker 2: And again, if you're wondering what I'm talking about, and

1147
01:04:58,295 --> 01:05:01,375
Speaker 2: I don't know that, it's all councils around the country,

1148
01:05:01,415 --> 01:05:03,975
Speaker 2: so please forgive me for being a bit Auckland centric.

1149
01:05:05,215 --> 01:05:09,615
Speaker 2: But flood view is a new tool, a new website

1150
01:05:10,135 --> 01:05:13,255
Speaker 2: that's been developed that shows updated and I've found it

1151
01:05:13,295 --> 01:05:16,255
Speaker 2: to be eerily accurate in terms of you know, what

1152
01:05:16,335 --> 01:05:18,975
Speaker 2: I remember from the floods from last year to what

1153
01:05:19,335 --> 01:05:22,895
Speaker 2: is now on flood Viewer. So it is you can

1154
01:05:22,935 --> 01:05:25,575
Speaker 2: whittle away a happy couple of hours googling your friend's

1155
01:05:25,615 --> 01:05:27,855
Speaker 2: addresses to see whether they're in the new flood signs.

1156
01:05:28,055 --> 01:05:30,015
Speaker 2: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to

1157
01:05:30,015 --> 01:05:31,375
Speaker 2: call Bob. Greetings to you, sir.

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01:05:32,375 --> 01:05:36,535
Speaker 12: Yes, situation we got up in TOWERU was my daughter's

1159
01:05:36,615 --> 01:05:39,495
Speaker 12: sewer pipe blocked up, So I thought, right here, we'll

1160
01:05:39,575 --> 01:05:42,135
Speaker 12: dig up ourselves. We've got the plumber and to come

1161
01:05:42,175 --> 01:05:45,255
Speaker 12: and check it out for us. I understood that when

1162
01:05:45,255 --> 01:05:48,215
Speaker 12: you got to your boundary, anything over the boundary was

1163
01:05:48,215 --> 01:05:51,815
Speaker 12: the councils problem. However, the sewer pipe ran down the road,

1164
01:05:52,575 --> 01:05:55,615
Speaker 12: across another section and then finally tapped into the main

1165
01:05:56,295 --> 01:06:00,615
Speaker 12: sewer pipe in TOWERU. We are responsible for that if

1166
01:06:00,655 --> 01:06:03,295
Speaker 12: we had to dig up the road get to the

1167
01:06:03,295 --> 01:06:10,055
Speaker 12: pipe between my boundary and the connecting pipe. Well, I thought,

1168
01:06:10,215 --> 01:06:12,535
Speaker 12: once you got to your boundary, that regional problem and

1169
01:06:12,575 --> 01:06:14,935
Speaker 12: the rest of them blind to countils. But under the

1170
01:06:15,015 --> 01:06:19,175
Speaker 12: by law and the tarooas, no, they don't. It's irresponsible

1171
01:06:19,175 --> 01:06:21,775
Speaker 12: to taps into their main pipe, which was you know,

1172
01:06:21,815 --> 01:06:23,375
Speaker 12: a good klimitter down the road. So it would it

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01:06:23,415 --> 01:06:25,615
Speaker 12: mean we were to get roading people in signs et

1174
01:06:25,655 --> 01:06:29,055
Speaker 12: cet etector sector. Is that a common thing?

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01:06:32,335 --> 01:06:34,615
Speaker 2: I think the key to what you're talking about is

1176
01:06:35,175 --> 01:06:40,055
Speaker 2: that it's your private drainage. So even if your private

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01:06:40,175 --> 01:06:44,175
Speaker 2: drainage goes through somebody else's property until it connects to

1178
01:06:44,255 --> 01:06:48,055
Speaker 2: the public line. It is still your responsibility despite the

1179
01:06:48,055 --> 01:06:50,735
Speaker 2: fact that it's not on your property per se.

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01:06:53,135 --> 01:06:58,415
Speaker 12: Okay, because it's still the understanding. Right, So if you

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01:06:58,495 --> 01:07:01,575
Speaker 12: were if you've unfortunately got one that runs a mile

1182
01:07:01,615 --> 01:07:03,295
Speaker 12: and a half down the road where it taps into

1183
01:07:03,335 --> 01:07:06,175
Speaker 12: the main system. God only knows why it would do that,

1184
01:07:06,335 --> 01:07:09,735
Speaker 12: but then you are responsible for if that what's up

1185
01:07:10,255 --> 01:07:14,055
Speaker 12: digging up the roadway, et cetera, et cetera. Yep, Yeah,

1186
01:07:14,055 --> 01:07:16,015
Speaker 12: because I did ring the mayor at CAW and she

1187
01:07:16,015 --> 01:07:19,695
Speaker 12: shaid up with a law put into their by laws,

1188
01:07:19,895 --> 01:07:21,855
Speaker 12: you know, one hundred years ago that that was the

1189
01:07:21,935 --> 01:07:23,535
Speaker 12: rules and they couldn't change it.

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01:07:25,535 --> 01:07:30,495
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, yeah. I think it really all defend comes

1191
01:07:30,495 --> 01:07:34,175
Speaker 2: down to is it private? And in this instance, I

1192
01:07:34,175 --> 01:07:40,415
Speaker 2: think it is private and therefore it's your responsibility.

1193
01:07:40,895 --> 01:07:42,735
Speaker 12: Is how we did mention it a few of the

1194
01:07:42,775 --> 01:07:44,735
Speaker 12: locals up there, and they didn't They didn't have the

1195
01:07:44,735 --> 01:07:47,695
Speaker 12: foggiest they know that it wouldn't be that way what

1196
01:07:47,735 --> 01:07:48,135
Speaker 12: it is.

1197
01:07:49,455 --> 01:07:53,335
Speaker 2: And in some cases I know of situations where people

1198
01:07:53,335 --> 01:07:57,375
Speaker 2: have been they've wanted to do some extensions and part

1199
01:07:57,455 --> 01:08:00,535
Speaker 2: of you know, the drainage has been that they are

1200
01:08:00,575 --> 01:08:03,775
Speaker 2: then asked to upgrade some of the public lines as well,

1201
01:08:03,855 --> 01:08:07,175
Speaker 2: or contribute to the upgrading of public lines, and like

1202
01:08:07,735 --> 01:08:09,375
Speaker 2: that gets expensive very very quickly.

1203
01:08:09,375 --> 01:08:10,815
Speaker 12: That's what I mean, that we've got out of the

1204
01:08:10,855 --> 01:08:13,535
Speaker 12: cost for us to do anything. I mean, luckily we

1205
01:08:13,575 --> 01:08:16,575
Speaker 12: did manage to unlock it to the boundary and solved

1206
01:08:16,575 --> 01:08:19,695
Speaker 12: the problem. But when we made inquiries, if this goes on,

1207
01:08:19,815 --> 01:08:20,695
Speaker 12: who pays for it?

1208
01:08:21,135 --> 01:08:21,935
Speaker 4: You? You do?

1209
01:08:22,175 --> 01:08:26,335
Speaker 2: Yeah, until it's a public line. Yeah, all right, nice

1210
01:08:26,335 --> 01:08:28,575
Speaker 2: to talk to you all the best, take care of it.

1211
01:08:29,575 --> 01:08:34,455
Speaker 2: Your news talks, he'd be. It's seven forty three. And

1212
01:08:34,775 --> 01:08:36,695
Speaker 2: if you've got a question of a building nature, the

1213
01:08:36,695 --> 01:08:38,815
Speaker 2: lines are open. The number is eight hundred and eighty

1214
01:08:38,935 --> 01:08:42,775
Speaker 2: ten eighty. Your news Talks, he'd be. And this is

1215
01:08:42,815 --> 01:08:45,095
Speaker 2: the resident builder on Sunday. And we like to take

1216
01:08:45,135 --> 01:08:49,415
Speaker 2: a deep dive into sometimes some very specific parts of

1217
01:08:50,015 --> 01:08:53,095
Speaker 2: building compliance. And I know sometimes when we talk about

1218
01:08:53,095 --> 01:08:55,495
Speaker 2: these things, it's it's easy for the eyes to glaze

1219
01:08:55,575 --> 01:08:57,215
Speaker 2: over and all the rest of it. So we're trying

1220
01:08:57,215 --> 01:08:59,855
Speaker 2: to have a look at it. In particular H one

1221
01:08:59,855 --> 01:09:01,815
Speaker 2: of the Building Code, but there's other parts of the

1222
01:09:01,815 --> 01:09:05,695
Speaker 2: Building Code that relate directly to glazing, and one of

1223
01:09:05,735 --> 01:09:08,775
Speaker 2: the challenges that I've found, and I've done a couple

1224
01:09:08,775 --> 01:09:12,255
Speaker 2: of many years of work alongside Metro Performance Glass talking

1225
01:09:12,295 --> 01:09:16,215
Speaker 2: about glazing, particularly around double glazing retro fitting, because of

1226
01:09:16,255 --> 01:09:19,415
Speaker 2: all of the benefits that it brings in terms of warm, dry, comfortable.

1227
01:09:19,735 --> 01:09:22,295
Speaker 2: But we also one of the challenges when you talk

1228
01:09:22,295 --> 01:09:24,335
Speaker 2: about glasses because you look through it, right, so we

1229
01:09:24,375 --> 01:09:28,375
Speaker 2: don't often appreciate how it fits into some very very

1230
01:09:28,415 --> 01:09:31,895
Speaker 2: important parts of the building code. So to discuss this

1231
01:09:32,055 --> 01:09:34,655
Speaker 2: a little bit further, it's a pleasure to welcome back

1232
01:09:34,655 --> 01:09:38,015
Speaker 2: to the program. Mc carty Jones from Metro Performance Glass.

1233
01:09:38,095 --> 01:09:40,535
Speaker 2: Very good morning, Nick, Good morning Peters.

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01:09:40,535 --> 01:09:41,255
Speaker 8: Thanks having us.

1235
01:09:41,415 --> 01:09:43,455
Speaker 2: And that is one of the challenges when we're talking

1236
01:09:43,455 --> 01:09:46,895
Speaker 2: about glass is often because we look through it, we

1237
01:09:47,175 --> 01:09:49,575
Speaker 2: kind of can tend to ignore it. But in terms

1238
01:09:49,575 --> 01:09:54,535
Speaker 2: of our building envelope and what we build, glasses and

1239
01:09:54,655 --> 01:09:58,175
Speaker 2: glazing is really really important in it, and it's embedded

1240
01:09:58,295 --> 01:10:02,615
Speaker 2: into the building code. And so within the building code

1241
01:10:02,655 --> 01:10:04,975
Speaker 2: we've got all of these different sections A through to

1242
01:10:05,055 --> 01:10:08,775
Speaker 2: about eof or something that and we've got B one,

1243
01:10:09,055 --> 01:10:13,575
Speaker 2: B two, F two and H one. So H one,

1244
01:10:13,655 --> 01:10:18,015
Speaker 2: let's start with that energy efficiency. There's been significant changes

1245
01:10:18,095 --> 01:10:21,695
Speaker 2: to the requirements as of November last year. How are

1246
01:10:21,735 --> 01:10:23,455
Speaker 2: you starting to see the impact of that.

1247
01:10:25,135 --> 01:10:26,735
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's some questions.

1248
01:10:26,735 --> 01:10:27,415
Speaker 7: So you're right.

1249
01:10:27,455 --> 01:10:30,055
Speaker 8: So all clauses in the Building Code, the one probably

1250
01:10:30,055 --> 01:10:32,255
Speaker 8: had the most work and most appeached in the last

1251
01:10:32,295 --> 01:10:35,215
Speaker 8: couple of years is certainly H one. So what H

1252
01:10:35,295 --> 01:10:38,975
Speaker 8: one does. It essentially specifies what the thermal performance requirements

1253
01:10:38,975 --> 01:10:43,175
Speaker 8: are of individual building materials. And so when you're talking

1254
01:10:43,175 --> 01:10:47,535
Speaker 8: about insulation, it really came down to windows, wall, roof

1255
01:10:47,735 --> 01:10:51,655
Speaker 8: and some slab insulation components. So hey, windows, Undoubtedly we're

1256
01:10:51,655 --> 01:10:55,975
Speaker 8: a big ticket in that about fifty percent of the

1257
01:10:56,015 --> 01:11:00,975
Speaker 8: heat loss in homes NBA discovered can come from windows

1258
01:11:00,975 --> 01:11:02,655
Speaker 8: that might be through the glass that mon't be through

1259
01:11:02,695 --> 01:11:06,055
Speaker 8: the joinery. So look with that change come through. Essentially,

1260
01:11:06,055 --> 01:11:09,135
Speaker 8: what it means is as you're building a new home,

1261
01:11:09,455 --> 01:11:13,295
Speaker 8: to build to the current H one standard, it will

1262
01:11:13,335 --> 01:11:16,455
Speaker 8: largely mean in New Zealand you must be using lowy

1263
01:11:16,535 --> 01:11:19,975
Speaker 8: double glazing, will need to be arg and filled, and

1264
01:11:20,095 --> 01:11:23,335
Speaker 8: the frame itself will now need to be thermally broken

1265
01:11:23,495 --> 01:11:26,215
Speaker 8: rather than a solid piece of aluminium will need to

1266
01:11:26,255 --> 01:11:29,655
Speaker 8: have a thermal break to prevent that heat loss or

1267
01:11:29,655 --> 01:11:32,215
Speaker 8: transfer to the outside of the building. So, yeah, what

1268
01:11:32,375 --> 01:11:35,175
Speaker 8: we're seeing a strong uptake in that. You know, a

1269
01:11:35,175 --> 01:11:39,335
Speaker 8: few years ago, maybe only twenty to thirty percent of

1270
01:11:39,655 --> 01:11:43,135
Speaker 8: homes we're having low e double glazing with argam installed

1271
01:11:43,135 --> 01:11:46,655
Speaker 8: in them. And now you know, with that uptake it

1272
01:11:46,655 --> 01:11:49,895
Speaker 8: will be well over seventy percent nationwide.

1273
01:11:50,055 --> 01:11:52,535
Speaker 2: And one of the challenges, know is with some of

1274
01:11:52,575 --> 01:11:55,175
Speaker 2: your team at field Days a couple of weeks ago,

1275
01:11:55,455 --> 01:11:57,975
Speaker 2: and you know, you've got that classic little display with

1276
01:11:58,415 --> 01:12:01,215
Speaker 2: four heat lamps and four different types of double glazing,

1277
01:12:01,735 --> 01:12:05,175
Speaker 2: and that unless you really know what you're looking at,

1278
01:12:05,455 --> 01:12:08,255
Speaker 2: you can't really hell, just looking at the glass what

1279
01:12:08,295 --> 01:12:10,975
Speaker 2: the difference is, but the way in which it's put together,

1280
01:12:10,975 --> 01:12:12,855
Speaker 2: when you put your hand over it and you feel

1281
01:12:12,855 --> 01:12:15,775
Speaker 2: the difference in the heat, you can see it working

1282
01:12:16,335 --> 01:12:18,895
Speaker 2: or you can feel it working, because of course it's

1283
01:12:18,935 --> 01:12:21,455
Speaker 2: really hard to see it working. It's got to be

1284
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Speaker 2: quite you know. And this is where as we're talking

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01:12:23,815 --> 01:12:28,375
Speaker 2: about those those really specific elements of how the double

1286
01:12:28,415 --> 01:12:31,375
Speaker 2: glazed unit is assembled out of what type of glass,

1287
01:12:31,415 --> 01:12:33,975
Speaker 2: with what types of coatings, with what type of gas

1288
01:12:33,975 --> 01:12:36,175
Speaker 2: inside it, it actually makes quite a big.

1289
01:12:36,015 --> 01:12:38,095
Speaker 7: Difference, Yeah, it does.

1290
01:12:38,135 --> 01:12:40,175
Speaker 8: It makes a substantial difference. So I guess that's where

1291
01:12:40,295 --> 01:12:43,055
Speaker 8: technology has really played a big part in in the

1292
01:12:43,095 --> 01:12:47,615
Speaker 8: window industry. So, going back ten years ago, probably when

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01:12:47,615 --> 01:12:49,655
Speaker 8: you were building, people didn't see if you were using

1294
01:12:49,695 --> 01:12:52,815
Speaker 8: lowe you could really see the coatings. They looked almost

1295
01:12:52,895 --> 01:12:55,815
Speaker 8: a little bit cloudy, a little bit hazy over the glass, right,

1296
01:12:55,895 --> 01:13:00,695
Speaker 8: Whereas as you say, with technology that lowy coating is

1297
01:13:00,855 --> 01:13:05,135
Speaker 8: virtually invisible to the naked eye, and yet the performance

1298
01:13:05,295 --> 01:13:07,815
Speaker 8: is substantially stronger. So you know, as we say, we're

1299
01:13:07,815 --> 01:13:10,815
Speaker 8: getting lifted and performance of sort of anywhere in the

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01:13:10,975 --> 01:13:16,095
Speaker 8: range of four to five times what clear doubglazing had

1301
01:13:16,095 --> 01:13:19,815
Speaker 8: been through these almost visible coatings on the surface of

1302
01:13:19,815 --> 01:13:20,535
Speaker 8: a glass.

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01:13:20,935 --> 01:13:24,215
Speaker 2: Now you mentioned too around safety, and this is another

1304
01:13:24,775 --> 01:13:28,975
Speaker 2: element I think that's changed well dramatically with glazing is

1305
01:13:29,015 --> 01:13:32,855
Speaker 2: the requirement for it to have some provision for safety

1306
01:13:32,855 --> 01:13:37,175
Speaker 2: in terms of impact resistance, right. And I can very

1307
01:13:37,215 --> 01:13:41,455
Speaker 2: clearly remember being at school quite a few years ago

1308
01:13:41,575 --> 01:13:44,535
Speaker 2: now and a door swung back and a guy put

1309
01:13:44,575 --> 01:13:46,735
Speaker 2: his arm up to stop it, and he went straight

1310
01:13:46,775 --> 01:13:51,415
Speaker 2: through the glass, right, and the wounds were horrific. So

1311
01:13:51,575 --> 01:13:56,295
Speaker 2: these days glazing also needs to ensure safety in if

1312
01:13:56,335 --> 01:13:59,335
Speaker 2: you did fall against it, and how does that impact

1313
01:13:59,375 --> 01:14:02,455
Speaker 2: the glazing as well and what's being installed in houses.

1314
01:14:03,895 --> 01:14:06,295
Speaker 8: It's a good question. So obviously, you know with retrofitting,

1315
01:14:06,375 --> 01:14:10,175
Speaker 8: where we're taking out a a pain of single blazing

1316
01:14:10,495 --> 01:14:13,375
Speaker 8: typically just annealed glass, and we're putting in a brand

1317
01:14:13,375 --> 01:14:16,495
Speaker 8: new double glazed unit. You know, we commonly get asked,

1318
01:14:16,655 --> 01:14:18,975
Speaker 8: you know, doesn't require a building consent.

1319
01:14:18,695 --> 01:14:19,135
Speaker 6: To do that.

1320
01:14:19,255 --> 01:14:22,695
Speaker 8: Now, typically it doesn't. See, you can go and replace

1321
01:14:22,775 --> 01:14:26,975
Speaker 8: that element. But in saying that, when you do replace it,

1322
01:14:27,015 --> 01:14:29,455
Speaker 8: you still do need to meet these clauses of the

1323
01:14:29,495 --> 01:14:32,095
Speaker 8: Building Code. And as you say, one of those talks

1324
01:14:32,135 --> 01:14:36,495
Speaker 8: about Clause F two talks about hazardous materials and buildings.

1325
01:14:36,535 --> 01:14:38,615
Speaker 8: So how do you manage to make sure you're not

1326
01:14:38,655 --> 01:14:42,135
Speaker 8: putting hazardous materials into the building? Well, the Building Code

1327
01:14:42,135 --> 01:14:46,735
Speaker 8: talks about glazing that needs to meet human impact requirements.

1328
01:14:46,815 --> 01:14:50,695
Speaker 8: So if you've got glazing that's you know, full white glazing,

1329
01:14:51,055 --> 01:14:53,855
Speaker 8: might be a door panel or something like that, or

1330
01:14:53,895 --> 01:14:56,415
Speaker 8: you might have glazing within sort of eight hundred millimeters

1331
01:14:56,455 --> 01:14:59,855
Speaker 8: of the floor. The Building Codes really really specifically tells

1332
01:14:59,855 --> 01:15:02,495
Speaker 8: you what that glass must be in order to be

1333
01:15:02,655 --> 01:15:05,935
Speaker 8: safe for human occupancy. So as we go around and

1334
01:15:05,975 --> 01:15:10,255
Speaker 8: we do retrofitting, will typically removed these panes of glass

1335
01:15:10,295 --> 01:15:13,295
Speaker 8: and where it does is required to be a safety glass.

1336
01:15:13,535 --> 01:15:16,575
Speaker 8: Come from safety glass. We put that glass in place,

1337
01:15:16,615 --> 01:15:19,455
Speaker 8: so you're actually lifting the total safety leaders of the

1338
01:15:19,495 --> 01:15:21,695
Speaker 8: home and you're actually bringing in terms of the glass

1339
01:15:21,695 --> 01:15:25,815
Speaker 8: compliance up to modern standards just by the process of retrofitting.

1340
01:15:25,215 --> 01:15:29,495
Speaker 2: Your home, right, And that's I mean again, you know,

1341
01:15:29,535 --> 01:15:31,495
Speaker 2: for any of us that have seen the impact of

1342
01:15:33,855 --> 01:15:36,735
Speaker 2: what happens when somebody goes through a glass pain or

1343
01:15:36,735 --> 01:15:39,095
Speaker 2: something like that, you know, you go, man, I'm so

1344
01:15:39,135 --> 01:15:42,455
Speaker 2: pleased that those rules have tightened up so considerably.

1345
01:15:43,055 --> 01:15:46,735
Speaker 8: Absolutely, and it is so important. You know, the critical

1346
01:15:46,775 --> 01:15:50,015
Speaker 8: difference between safety glass and that steendar glass, as you say,

1347
01:15:50,095 --> 01:15:53,815
Speaker 8: is exactly it's how the glass breaks. With safety glass,

1348
01:15:53,815 --> 01:15:59,175
Speaker 8: it breaks into very very fine peebles of glass as

1349
01:15:59,175 --> 01:16:02,415
Speaker 8: opposed to big, long shards and so hey, some of

1350
01:16:02,455 --> 01:16:05,215
Speaker 8: the really progressive work that's been done around the building

1351
01:16:05,255 --> 01:16:08,935
Speaker 8: code has been clear on where those tough and panes

1352
01:16:08,935 --> 01:16:12,215
Speaker 8: of safety glass must be. For example, in a bathroom,

1353
01:16:12,295 --> 01:16:15,655
Speaker 8: any any wet area within two meters of the floor,

1354
01:16:15,935 --> 01:16:18,335
Speaker 8: all of that glass from the inside must be tough

1355
01:16:18,335 --> 01:16:20,615
Speaker 8: and safety glass. So if you did have a slip

1356
01:16:20,615 --> 01:16:22,535
Speaker 8: and you'd have a fall of your arm did reach

1357
01:16:22,575 --> 01:16:24,615
Speaker 8: out and had a window, You're going to be hitting

1358
01:16:24,735 --> 01:16:29,175
Speaker 8: a safety pane of glass as opposed to a pain

1359
01:16:29,255 --> 01:16:32,935
Speaker 8: that would shatter and form some big long shards. And

1360
01:16:33,455 --> 01:16:35,855
Speaker 8: schools are really similar as well, So all of the

1361
01:16:35,855 --> 01:16:38,935
Speaker 8: glazing going into schools these days is required to be

1362
01:16:39,095 --> 01:16:40,335
Speaker 8: that safety glass as well.

1363
01:16:40,615 --> 01:16:43,575
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's where this particular event happened actually, But

1364
01:16:43,695 --> 01:16:46,535
Speaker 2: I mean we're talking forty odd years ago, so no

1365
01:16:46,615 --> 01:16:48,375
Speaker 2: wonder things have changed. And the last thing I just

1366
01:16:48,375 --> 01:16:51,175
Speaker 2: wanted to touch on as well is that, you know,

1367
01:16:51,215 --> 01:16:54,495
Speaker 2: I've been inside some houses during a storm where these

1368
01:16:54,575 --> 01:16:59,575
Speaker 2: big bits of glazing looking out at the wind basically,

1369
01:17:00,015 --> 01:17:02,895
Speaker 2: and I'm seeing them deflect. So obviously when you're doing

1370
01:17:03,095 --> 01:17:06,415
Speaker 2: large section glazing, there's also then a whole lot of

1371
01:17:06,495 --> 01:17:12,175
Speaker 2: things there around the structure, their ability to withstand wind

1372
01:17:12,255 --> 01:17:13,015
Speaker 2: in particular.

1373
01:17:14,575 --> 01:17:14,775
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1374
01:17:14,815 --> 01:17:17,775
Speaker 8: Absolutely, So again in the in in one of those

1375
01:17:17,815 --> 01:17:21,775
Speaker 8: structural clause of the building Code, it will nominate how

1376
01:17:21,855 --> 01:17:25,295
Speaker 8: much deflection and things of building material including glass can

1377
01:17:25,415 --> 01:17:29,535
Speaker 8: have and still be deemed to be compliant and working

1378
01:17:29,575 --> 01:17:32,215
Speaker 8: well and safely for that building. And so you know,

1379
01:17:32,255 --> 01:17:34,375
Speaker 8: we spend a lot of time looking at the different

1380
01:17:34,375 --> 01:17:37,535
Speaker 8: wind zones and positioning of glass and homes and coming

1381
01:17:37,615 --> 01:17:40,255
Speaker 8: up with the absolute right specification of that glass and

1382
01:17:40,295 --> 01:17:42,935
Speaker 8: how thick does that glass need to be for its size,

1383
01:17:42,975 --> 01:17:45,815
Speaker 8: its location in the wind zone, to ensure that we're

1384
01:17:45,855 --> 01:17:49,895
Speaker 8: not getting that big draft of wind comes through and

1385
01:17:50,615 --> 01:17:54,375
Speaker 8: can essentially damage or break a window, and specify the

1386
01:17:54,495 --> 01:17:56,335
Speaker 8: unit to meet those requires.

1387
01:17:55,935 --> 01:17:58,455
Speaker 2: To meet those requirements, it's a lot more technical than

1388
01:17:58,455 --> 01:18:00,575
Speaker 2: it seems at first glance, and that's why we're talking

1389
01:18:00,615 --> 01:18:01,735
Speaker 2: to an expert like yourself.

1390
01:18:01,815 --> 01:18:02,055
Speaker 19: Nick.

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01:18:02,135 --> 01:18:04,335
Speaker 2: Thanks very much for joining us this morning on the program.

1392
01:18:04,455 --> 01:18:08,295
Speaker 2: Much appreciated. Thanks you all of this. McCarty jones from

1393
01:18:08,335 --> 01:18:10,655
Speaker 2: Metro Performance Glass check him out online. There's a lot

1394
01:18:10,695 --> 01:18:12,855
Speaker 2: of good information there. Back after the break.

1395
01:18:36,495 --> 01:18:43,015
Speaker 10: In the whole street of the high we took a

1396
01:18:43,175 --> 01:18:46,815
Speaker 10: hard left, but we're all.

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01:18:48,655 --> 01:18:51,095
Speaker 2: Oh, very good morning, welcome back to the program. Oh

1398
01:18:51,135 --> 01:18:52,895
Speaker 2: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you've got a

1399
01:18:52,975 --> 01:18:55,695
Speaker 2: quick comment to make. We're talking quite a bit about

1400
01:18:55,695 --> 01:18:59,895
Speaker 2: granny flats for good reason, because the government put out

1401
01:19:00,335 --> 01:19:02,895
Speaker 2: some information at the beginning of the week calling for

1402
01:19:02,935 --> 01:19:06,975
Speaker 2: submissions about proposed changes. So we've talked about that to

1403
01:19:06,975 --> 01:19:10,655
Speaker 2: be fair, and I love your opinion because it's opinion.

1404
01:19:11,295 --> 01:19:13,615
Speaker 2: What I find a bit frustrating is when you hear

1405
01:19:13,775 --> 01:19:16,215
Speaker 2: commentary in the media from people that are supposed to

1406
01:19:16,215 --> 01:19:20,255
Speaker 2: know what they're talking about but don't. And so I'm

1407
01:19:20,255 --> 01:19:22,255
Speaker 2: going to get around that by going to someone who

1408
01:19:22,335 --> 01:19:24,615
Speaker 2: does know what they're talking about. So before we jump

1409
01:19:24,695 --> 01:19:27,415
Speaker 2: into the garden with rud Klein passed at eight thirty

1410
01:19:27,455 --> 01:19:29,895
Speaker 2: this morning, we're going to be talking with Hamish Firth,

1411
01:19:30,295 --> 01:19:32,775
Speaker 2: planner at Mount Hobson Group. He's been on the show

1412
01:19:32,775 --> 01:19:36,295
Speaker 2: a couple of times planning issues, very good grasp of

1413
01:19:36,375 --> 01:19:39,855
Speaker 2: the legislation, understands what all the implications are of making

1414
01:19:39,975 --> 01:19:42,295
Speaker 2: changes like this. So we're going to have a chat

1415
01:19:42,335 --> 01:19:45,615
Speaker 2: with him in about ten minutes as well. We'll take

1416
01:19:45,655 --> 01:19:49,815
Speaker 2: your calls right now. And I mean a lot of texts.

1417
01:19:50,575 --> 01:19:52,695
Speaker 2: I mean, this is interesting, and this is kind of

1418
01:19:52,695 --> 01:19:56,935
Speaker 2: where this is an exemplar of the sort of complexity

1419
01:19:57,015 --> 01:20:00,655
Speaker 2: that's going to emerge once we start to try and

1420
01:20:00,695 --> 01:20:03,775
Speaker 2: pin down legislation on this. Hey, Pete, if these granny

1421
01:20:03,775 --> 01:20:06,335
Speaker 2: flats don't need a building consent, will they need the

1422
01:20:06,375 --> 01:20:09,615
Speaker 2: five odd building inspections during construction? If so, what's the

1423
01:20:09,615 --> 01:20:13,255
Speaker 2: point of employing an LBP, as they still cannot apply

1424
01:20:13,335 --> 01:20:16,895
Speaker 2: the code without costly inspections. Is this going to end

1425
01:20:16,975 --> 01:20:18,935
Speaker 2: up as a bit of a scam, Well, no, Chris.

1426
01:20:18,935 --> 01:20:22,135
Speaker 2: The whole point of not having a building consent theoretically

1427
01:20:22,775 --> 01:20:26,855
Speaker 2: is that there won't be any council inspections. And I

1428
01:20:27,015 --> 01:20:30,135
Speaker 2: notice that in the brief discussion pieces that have come

1429
01:20:30,175 --> 01:20:33,175
Speaker 2: out from the government, they're talking about a trusted builder.

1430
01:20:33,375 --> 01:20:38,455
Speaker 2: They're not using the word LBP because lbp's licensed building

1431
01:20:38,535 --> 01:20:42,455
Speaker 2: practitioners have to do restricted building work. Restricted building work

1432
01:20:42,535 --> 01:20:45,415
Speaker 2: is basically work that requires a building consent. This is

1433
01:20:45,455 --> 01:20:48,255
Speaker 2: going to be work that may not necessarily require a

1434
01:20:48,255 --> 01:20:52,935
Speaker 2: building consent, in which case there won't be any council inspections,

1435
01:20:53,295 --> 01:20:55,815
Speaker 2: in which case, if you're buying one down the track,

1436
01:20:56,055 --> 01:21:00,215
Speaker 2: how do you know it's any good? Those are the

1437
01:21:00,255 --> 01:21:01,855
Speaker 2: issues we're going to be dealing with. So we'll be

1438
01:21:01,895 --> 01:21:05,215
Speaker 2: talking about that with Hamish Firth very soon. Donald, greetings

1439
01:21:05,255 --> 01:21:05,695
Speaker 2: to you, sir.

1440
01:21:07,135 --> 01:21:10,935
Speaker 19: Good morning. I'm splitting to that man with a double glazing?

1441
01:21:11,095 --> 01:21:11,295
Speaker 2: Yes?

1442
01:21:11,335 --> 01:21:14,695
Speaker 19: Can I Can I get double glazing put in my windows?

1443
01:21:15,015 --> 01:21:16,135
Speaker 19: Existing windows?

1444
01:21:16,175 --> 01:21:16,975
Speaker 2: Most likely?

1445
01:21:19,335 --> 01:21:22,055
Speaker 19: Yes, like the frame almenium and everything.

1446
01:21:22,135 --> 01:21:22,335
Speaker 13: Yep.

1447
01:21:23,375 --> 01:21:25,495
Speaker 2: So I know from because I do quite a bit

1448
01:21:25,535 --> 01:21:29,415
Speaker 2: of work with Metro performance Glass, right so, and they

1449
01:21:29,455 --> 01:21:33,695
Speaker 2: do retro fit double glazing retro DG. And from what

1450
01:21:33,975 --> 01:21:37,015
Speaker 2: my discussions with their technical team has been that about

1451
01:21:37,215 --> 01:21:41,735
Speaker 2: ninety five percent of aluminium joinery they've got the right

1452
01:21:41,815 --> 01:21:45,015
Speaker 2: extrusions to be able to take out your existing single

1453
01:21:45,055 --> 01:21:48,695
Speaker 2: glazing and put in double glazing. Now if in some

1454
01:21:48,735 --> 01:21:53,575
Speaker 2: situations the sash won't accept a piece of double glazing,

1455
01:21:53,615 --> 01:21:55,295
Speaker 2: because you've got to remember, if you've got four more

1456
01:21:55,295 --> 01:21:57,375
Speaker 2: glass in there at the moment, or even three mil

1457
01:21:57,895 --> 01:21:59,935
Speaker 2: and then you're going to put double glazing in, it's

1458
01:21:59,975 --> 01:22:03,335
Speaker 2: going to be at least sixteen millimeters thick, possibly even

1459
01:22:03,375 --> 01:22:06,135
Speaker 2: a bit more depending on how it's put together. So

1460
01:22:06,615 --> 01:22:09,295
Speaker 2: not all sashes will be able to be adapted, in

1461
01:22:09,295 --> 01:22:12,135
Speaker 2: which case they'll just make a new sash and install

1462
01:22:12,175 --> 01:22:13,895
Speaker 2: that into an existing window frame.

1463
01:22:15,215 --> 01:22:18,735
Speaker 19: My house is fifty three years old.

1464
01:22:19,895 --> 01:22:23,815
Speaker 2: See, the challenge will be is that overall the condition

1465
01:22:23,935 --> 01:22:29,175
Speaker 2: of your in its aluminium joinery. Yes, yes, see it's funny,

1466
01:22:29,215 --> 01:22:31,335
Speaker 2: isn't it. I mean, I still think of aluminium jowinery

1467
01:22:31,375 --> 01:22:33,695
Speaker 2: as kind of modern, but then I realize that a

1468
01:22:33,695 --> 01:22:36,295
Speaker 2: lot of it's as old as I am, and I'm

1469
01:22:36,335 --> 01:22:40,455
Speaker 2: not modern anymore. And so in some cases you may

1470
01:22:40,495 --> 01:22:43,935
Speaker 2: find that the actual joinery itself is getting to the

1471
01:22:44,175 --> 01:22:49,415
Speaker 2: end of its expected lifespan, you know. But and in

1472
01:22:49,455 --> 01:22:52,015
Speaker 2: that case, you know you've got to make a decision.

1473
01:22:52,015 --> 01:22:53,815
Speaker 2: Do you just say, actually, what I'm going to do

1474
01:22:53,935 --> 01:22:56,855
Speaker 2: is remove the entire windows suite, Because when we're talking

1475
01:22:56,855 --> 01:22:59,415
Speaker 2: about windows, I think sometimes we forget that there's two

1476
01:22:59,455 --> 01:23:02,655
Speaker 2: components to it. There's the frame and the glazing, and

1477
01:23:02,695 --> 01:23:06,575
Speaker 2: the combination of the joinery and the glazing make up

1478
01:23:06,615 --> 01:23:11,015
Speaker 2: a window, for example. And what you might find is that,

1479
01:23:11,055 --> 01:23:14,215
Speaker 2: in fact, the overall condition of the aluminum joinery as

1480
01:23:14,215 --> 01:23:17,575
Speaker 2: such that you could put the investment into the double glazing,

1481
01:23:17,655 --> 01:23:21,695
Speaker 2: but you've still got poorly performing frames, in which case

1482
01:23:21,735 --> 01:23:24,255
Speaker 2: may be replacing the whole lot, which is doable. That

1483
01:23:24,295 --> 01:23:27,055
Speaker 2: would probably trigger requirement for a building consent, by the way,

1484
01:23:27,095 --> 01:23:30,735
Speaker 2: But look, there's there's heaps of information online and some

1485
01:23:30,815 --> 01:23:34,095
Speaker 2: of the stuff that Nick was talking about. Have a

1486
01:23:34,135 --> 01:23:38,055
Speaker 2: look at the Metro Glass Metro Performance Glass website, and

1487
01:23:38,095 --> 01:23:41,615
Speaker 2: then for specific information on double glazing, you can check

1488
01:23:41,655 --> 01:23:46,815
Speaker 2: out retrodg dot co dot nz as well. It is

1489
01:23:47,135 --> 01:23:51,015
Speaker 2: let me see twelve minutes after eight here at newstalk ZB.

1490
01:23:52,015 --> 01:23:53,695
Speaker 1: News Talk ZB.

1491
01:23:55,215 --> 01:23:57,855
Speaker 2: Great opportunity this morning to catch up with Mike Olds

1492
01:23:57,855 --> 01:24:01,615
Speaker 2: from Razine Construction Systems, a regular contributor to the show.

1493
01:24:01,895 --> 01:24:04,055
Speaker 2: There's always new things happening, Mike, what's up?

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Speaker 4: There's plenty happening at the moment. Pete, thanks, and today

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Speaker 4: I just want to touch based on some of the

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Speaker 4: features and benefits of the plaster clouding systems we have

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Speaker 4: available in.

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Speaker 5: The market now.

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Speaker 4: There's a variety of solutions available from our lightweight concrete system,

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Speaker 4: which is one of the most popular in the market

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Speaker 4: due to its durability, strength and acoustic properties. But there's

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Speaker 4: also our insulator facade systems, our masonry RNDOUS system, So

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01:24:30,815 --> 01:24:32,695
Speaker 4: if you have an existing brick house and you're looking

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Speaker 4: do some renovation work, there's our full masonry RNDOW systems.

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Speaker 4: One of the key things with the plastic clouding systems

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Speaker 4: is there flat surface, so they're very low maintenance in

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Speaker 4: terms of that easy to clean, and they're easy to

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Speaker 4: repaint when you need and you can also easily change

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Speaker 4: the color going forward if view if the property sells

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Speaker 4: to new owners and they don't like the color that

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Speaker 4: you had on the house, so you can easily change

1512
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Speaker 4: and update those things. Part of being a Rasine Construction

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Speaker 4: business or Razine Group business is that we're genuine razine

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Speaker 4: colored plaster finishes as well. We also include a fifteen

1515
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Speaker 4: year performance guarantee with all systems for external plastic clannings.

1516
01:25:08,415 --> 01:25:11,735
Speaker 4: They've been brands tested and really important is the LBP

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Speaker 4: or Licensed Building Practitioner installed, so that you have the

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Speaker 4: quality and the professionalism of contractors that know their trade

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Speaker 4: and they do it very very well.

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Speaker 2: There's some real certainty in that, and I think to

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Speaker 12: So.

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01:26:42,615 --> 01:26:43,335
Speaker 3: There was much.

1544
01:26:43,135 --> 01:26:46,215
Speaker 2: Fanfare at the beginning of the week around a government

1545
01:26:46,215 --> 01:26:50,855
Speaker 2: initiative to provide affordable housing, right and so one of

1546
01:26:50,895 --> 01:26:54,295
Speaker 2: the ideas is, hey, what about we let people build

1547
01:26:54,455 --> 01:26:57,655
Speaker 2: up to sixty square meters in your back garden on

1548
01:26:57,735 --> 01:27:02,655
Speaker 2: an existing house without necessarily having a building consent And

1549
01:27:02,655 --> 01:27:05,175
Speaker 2: everyone went, oh gosh, that sounds like a good idea.

1550
01:27:05,255 --> 01:27:09,015
Speaker 2: Now at this stage it's all about consultation. So I

1551
01:27:09,095 --> 01:27:11,695
Speaker 2: flicked a quick email to Hamish Firth, who's been on

1552
01:27:11,735 --> 01:27:14,095
Speaker 2: this show a number of times, and I put to

1553
01:27:14,175 --> 01:27:16,295
Speaker 2: him a number of questions. And the reason that I'm

1554
01:27:16,615 --> 01:27:19,855
Speaker 2: consulting with Hamish is you're a planner. You've probably seen

1555
01:27:19,895 --> 01:27:22,215
Speaker 2: these sorts of proposals, and I guess you've got an

1556
01:27:22,255 --> 01:27:27,775
Speaker 2: insight into what are the likely outcomes of how complex

1557
01:27:27,895 --> 01:27:31,575
Speaker 2: is this going to be to administer in whatever way

1558
01:27:31,775 --> 01:27:35,015
Speaker 2: it ends up becoming law hamous, Good morning and welcome

1559
01:27:35,055 --> 01:27:35,415
Speaker 2: to the show.

1560
01:27:36,495 --> 01:27:41,215
Speaker 3: Good morning, morning, morning morning. Two words for you, game changer.

1561
01:27:41,415 --> 01:27:44,495
Speaker 3: Let's take one step back. Game changer at three levels.

1562
01:27:45,615 --> 01:27:48,375
Speaker 3: The first level is a hat tip to our politicians.

1563
01:27:48,535 --> 01:27:52,375
Speaker 3: So we've spent six years dancing around the issue of

1564
01:27:52,455 --> 01:27:56,735
Speaker 3: housing affordability and zone changes and not a lot happened,

1565
01:27:57,135 --> 01:27:59,655
Speaker 3: and within six months we've got a discussion document that

1566
01:27:59,775 --> 01:28:03,855
Speaker 3: points in the right direction. Second, this is the beginning

1567
01:28:03,855 --> 01:28:07,375
Speaker 3: and this goes to your question about beginning of a

1568
01:28:07,455 --> 01:28:11,455
Speaker 3: process of getting counsel away from the last man standing

1569
01:28:11,495 --> 01:28:14,215
Speaker 3: in terms of liability and getting them to be the

1570
01:28:14,375 --> 01:28:19,575
Speaker 3: keeper of the record. And then thirdly for the homeowner,

1571
01:28:20,215 --> 01:28:23,815
Speaker 3: so whether it's granny literally, whether it's the teenager, whether

1572
01:28:23,855 --> 01:28:26,855
Speaker 3: it's the uncle coming home, whether it's extended family or

1573
01:28:26,895 --> 01:28:29,295
Speaker 3: far now, or whether you just want to rent this

1574
01:28:29,415 --> 01:28:33,295
Speaker 3: out and make some money. This provides at that high

1575
01:28:33,375 --> 01:28:37,615
Speaker 3: level a simple opportunity across the country from the top

1576
01:28:37,695 --> 01:28:39,935
Speaker 3: to the bottom. That we have a regulation and standard.

1577
01:28:40,535 --> 01:28:42,535
Speaker 3: The second part of it, which is to your question,

1578
01:28:43,255 --> 01:28:46,215
Speaker 3: is the devil will be in the detail. And I

1579
01:28:46,255 --> 01:28:48,935
Speaker 3: think it's really really important that we get it right.

1580
01:28:49,735 --> 01:28:51,895
Speaker 3: We get it right in terms of where these can

1581
01:28:51,975 --> 01:28:55,615
Speaker 3: be located. We don't want these in flood zones, exacerbating flooding.

1582
01:28:55,815 --> 01:28:57,895
Speaker 3: We want to make sure that we've got the connections.

1583
01:28:58,095 --> 01:29:00,895
Speaker 3: We also don't want to create a swetto where you

1584
01:29:00,935 --> 01:29:03,855
Speaker 3: walk into a yard and there's tenery. So is it

1585
01:29:03,935 --> 01:29:08,695
Speaker 3: one sixty square meter two thirty? How are they connected

1586
01:29:08,735 --> 01:29:12,335
Speaker 3: to the pipework. I think I think we can still

1587
01:29:12,335 --> 01:29:14,895
Speaker 3: get that right. I think this discussion document which is

1588
01:29:14,895 --> 01:29:18,375
Speaker 3: calling for submissions, you know, we need the insurance Council

1589
01:29:18,415 --> 01:29:20,655
Speaker 3: to be involved here to say, okay, how are we

1590
01:29:20,695 --> 01:29:23,175
Speaker 3: going to deal with these? We need, you know, the

1591
01:29:23,255 --> 01:29:25,735
Speaker 3: legal teams to come in and say how would we

1592
01:29:25,775 --> 01:29:28,615
Speaker 3: deal with these? In terms of limbs and I'm coming

1593
01:29:28,615 --> 01:29:31,455
Speaker 3: to buy one, has it been built properly? And then thirdly,

1594
01:29:31,535 --> 01:29:34,575
Speaker 3: we want to make sure that there is light regulation

1595
01:29:34,695 --> 01:29:36,975
Speaker 3: around them so that we don't end up having people

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01:29:37,015 --> 01:29:40,015
Speaker 3: living in car crates because the quality goes to zero.

1597
01:29:42,135 --> 01:29:46,015
Speaker 2: So let's let's take a couple of things straight off

1598
01:29:46,015 --> 01:29:50,095
Speaker 2: the bat site coverage rules, we would expect expect still

1599
01:29:50,135 --> 01:29:53,255
Speaker 2: to comply. So let's say I think you know, I'm

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01:29:53,255 --> 01:29:55,855
Speaker 2: on five hundred square meters, my house is two hundred.

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01:29:57,095 --> 01:29:59,735
Speaker 2: I've got enough space, and I wouldn't be at fifty percent.

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01:29:59,735 --> 01:30:02,015
Speaker 2: But let's say you're already at fifty percent site coverage.

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01:30:02,055 --> 01:30:04,095
Speaker 2: Could you squeeze another unit on? Would that be a

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01:30:04,135 --> 01:30:04,615
Speaker 2: good idea?

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01:30:05,615 --> 01:30:05,695
Speaker 4: No?

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01:30:05,855 --> 01:30:08,135
Speaker 3: I think again, we've got to use the existing rules

1607
01:30:08,135 --> 01:30:11,575
Speaker 3: as a guide. If you read that discussion document, plans

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01:30:11,575 --> 01:30:14,335
Speaker 3: proper plans still have to be drawn. I think we

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01:30:14,375 --> 01:30:17,255
Speaker 3: should use the yard boundaries, the hate to boundaries of

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01:30:17,335 --> 01:30:20,175
Speaker 3: the typical controls. In other words, make the unit a

1611
01:30:20,215 --> 01:30:23,455
Speaker 3: permitted activity, but make it fit within that sort of

1612
01:30:23,495 --> 01:30:28,495
Speaker 3: regulatory framework that we have now so that people's experts.

1613
01:30:28,495 --> 01:30:30,055
Speaker 3: You're not going to have buildings built right on the

1614
01:30:30,055 --> 01:30:34,775
Speaker 3: boundary without fire rating. You're not going to have stormwater

1615
01:30:34,935 --> 01:30:39,655
Speaker 3: overflow exacerbated by over coverage. So I think we use

1616
01:30:39,735 --> 01:30:42,255
Speaker 3: those as a really good guide and you can ply

1617
01:30:42,375 --> 01:30:44,975
Speaker 3: with those. I also think that, and you probably hearing

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01:30:45,015 --> 01:30:47,015
Speaker 3: my voice, Pete, I'm excited about this. This is a

1619
01:30:47,055 --> 01:30:49,975
Speaker 3: game changer. I think that we should be collecting development

1620
01:30:50,015 --> 01:30:52,015
Speaker 3: contributions on this there is still going to be pressure

1621
01:30:52,055 --> 01:30:53,735
Speaker 3: on the services. There's still going to be pressure on

1622
01:30:53,775 --> 01:30:56,215
Speaker 3: the parks and the stormwater and the sewer. So a

1623
01:30:56,295 --> 01:30:58,655
Speaker 3: tick box says you go to counsel and say here's

1624
01:30:58,655 --> 01:31:01,895
Speaker 3: what I've done. I heard you say it's trusted builder.

1625
01:31:02,255 --> 01:31:04,975
Speaker 3: I think it should be a licensed building practitioner. I

1626
01:31:05,015 --> 01:31:07,575
Speaker 3: think that the plumber who signs in the same way

1627
01:31:07,735 --> 01:31:11,455
Speaker 3: US Sparky does. Yes, Sparkis aren't regulated by council. They

1628
01:31:11,495 --> 01:31:14,335
Speaker 3: provide their CCC to the homeowner or to the license

1629
01:31:14,375 --> 01:31:17,735
Speaker 3: building practitioner. But this is where I talk about counsel

1630
01:31:17,775 --> 01:31:19,655
Speaker 3: being the keeper of the record rather than the last

1631
01:31:19,655 --> 01:31:23,815
Speaker 3: man's standing. So we make the licensed plumber present his

1632
01:31:23,855 --> 01:31:26,055
Speaker 3: certificate to confirm he's done it to code. We make

1633
01:31:26,095 --> 01:31:28,695
Speaker 3: the LVB do the same, so that we know the

1634
01:31:28,855 --> 01:31:31,935
Speaker 3: unit meets healthy home standards. Ye, so that we know

1635
01:31:31,975 --> 01:31:34,895
Speaker 3: it's been built properly and put on properly. But it's

1636
01:31:34,935 --> 01:31:36,535
Speaker 3: not that you need to consent for it. All you

1637
01:31:36,575 --> 01:31:38,655
Speaker 3: need to do is show council you've done it. That

1638
01:31:38,695 --> 01:31:40,615
Speaker 3: you have to have that tick box that will go

1639
01:31:40,695 --> 01:31:44,175
Speaker 3: on the limb and the liability moves from council back

1640
01:31:44,175 --> 01:31:45,815
Speaker 3: to those licensed building practitioners.

1641
01:31:46,335 --> 01:31:50,335
Speaker 2: So typically things like connecting, you know, changing connections to

1642
01:31:50,735 --> 01:31:53,695
Speaker 2: a sewer line, for example, triggers a requirement for building consent.

1643
01:31:53,775 --> 01:31:55,695
Speaker 2: So if you're going to add a minor dwelling that's

1644
01:31:55,735 --> 01:31:57,975
Speaker 2: got a toilet in the kitchen and a shower and

1645
01:31:58,015 --> 01:32:00,535
Speaker 2: those sorts of things, and you're adding to the sewer system,

1646
01:32:00,935 --> 01:32:03,055
Speaker 2: do you think council will want to jump in then

1647
01:32:03,135 --> 01:32:04,295
Speaker 2: and demand a building consent?

1648
01:32:05,015 --> 01:32:06,695
Speaker 3: Yeah, and again I don't think we need too. We

1649
01:32:06,815 --> 01:32:09,735
Speaker 3: trust electricians with our lives, you know, I don't the

1650
01:32:09,815 --> 01:32:12,615
Speaker 3: lights a shop and die, So why can't we trust

1651
01:32:12,615 --> 01:32:17,535
Speaker 3: the plumber to connect the pipework to the public system correctly?

1652
01:32:18,135 --> 01:32:19,095
Speaker 2: And maybe.

1653
01:32:20,255 --> 01:32:22,975
Speaker 3: A record of works photographs? So, in other words, we

1654
01:32:23,015 --> 01:32:25,695
Speaker 3: have a regulatory system that says you must submit eight

1655
01:32:25,695 --> 01:32:28,815
Speaker 3: photos of the pipework going in and it being batfilled correctly.

1656
01:32:29,335 --> 01:32:31,255
Speaker 3: So if you've done that and it's been done correctly,

1657
01:32:31,855 --> 01:32:33,615
Speaker 3: why do we need someone to come and inspect it.

1658
01:32:34,495 --> 01:32:36,455
Speaker 2: We've talked about this a little bit on the program today,

1659
01:32:36,495 --> 01:32:39,535
Speaker 2: and one of the suggestions would be that any of

1660
01:32:39,575 --> 01:32:41,935
Speaker 2: these types of dwellings, none of them should have a

1661
01:32:41,975 --> 01:32:44,215
Speaker 2: concrete slab is that kind of where you would think

1662
01:32:44,255 --> 01:32:46,815
Speaker 2: that it would be so that anything was above ground

1663
01:32:46,895 --> 01:32:47,895
Speaker 2: rather than on the ground.

1664
01:32:48,975 --> 01:32:51,455
Speaker 3: I think that we keep it as simple as possible.

1665
01:32:52,335 --> 01:32:53,975
Speaker 3: At this stage. We can let's send two or three

1666
01:32:54,015 --> 01:32:55,655
Speaker 3: years time this has bettered down. Well, then we can

1667
01:32:55,655 --> 01:32:57,895
Speaker 3: look at concrete slabs going and let's look at it.

1668
01:32:58,135 --> 01:33:00,295
Speaker 3: It has to be on sex foundations in the way

1669
01:33:00,335 --> 01:33:02,895
Speaker 3: we go the other thing. I think this is a

1670
01:33:02,895 --> 01:33:05,055
Speaker 3: game changer for and I think we need to incorporate

1671
01:33:05,055 --> 01:33:08,975
Speaker 3: this into the regulation. Ye puplicyeing. Suddenly it makes it

1672
01:33:09,015 --> 01:33:10,695
Speaker 3: easier from a ride to put eight or nine of

1673
01:33:10,695 --> 01:33:13,855
Speaker 3: these on there. You might be an orchard needing seasonal workers,

1674
01:33:14,055 --> 01:33:16,895
Speaker 3: so suddenly you can holorify a farm.

1675
01:33:16,695 --> 01:33:17,135
Speaker 12: You know.

1676
01:33:17,215 --> 01:33:18,375
Speaker 3: So in the words, you've got a problem down in

1677
01:33:18,415 --> 01:33:22,095
Speaker 3: Queenstown with hospitality, Well, let's allow minor dwelling units to

1678
01:33:22,095 --> 01:33:24,695
Speaker 3: go on people's backyard so that people who work in

1679
01:33:24,735 --> 01:33:29,615
Speaker 3: hospitality can have somewhere to live that's affordable. It might

1680
01:33:29,655 --> 01:33:31,735
Speaker 3: be golf courses, schools, and this is why I think

1681
01:33:31,775 --> 01:33:34,935
Speaker 3: that this is a great discussion document. So now we've

1682
01:33:34,975 --> 01:33:39,015
Speaker 3: got cheaper accommodation for teachers who might be early in

1683
01:33:39,095 --> 01:33:42,015
Speaker 3: their careers can't afford a house. This is the game changer.

1684
01:33:43,415 --> 01:33:45,535
Speaker 2: The other just about one of the thoughts I had

1685
01:33:45,535 --> 01:33:49,575
Speaker 2: around that phrase trusted builder, do we just go? It

1686
01:33:49,615 --> 01:33:53,735
Speaker 2: can be off site manufacture, owner only, and that's a

1687
01:33:53,735 --> 01:33:55,335
Speaker 2: way of insurance quality control.

1688
01:33:56,375 --> 01:33:59,655
Speaker 3: It makes sense you think you think about you know,

1689
01:33:59,695 --> 01:34:03,215
Speaker 3: your kith a home or your hell's me. They have

1690
01:34:03,335 --> 01:34:06,375
Speaker 3: been pumping these sort of prefab small units out for

1691
01:34:06,495 --> 01:34:10,295
Speaker 3: years in a quality, quality controlled environment. It would make

1692
01:34:10,415 --> 01:34:12,295
Speaker 3: sense to be able to do that. But there may

1693
01:34:12,335 --> 01:34:14,855
Speaker 3: also be occasions where they can't be trained in or.

1694
01:34:14,775 --> 01:34:15,615
Speaker 5: They shan't be brought.

1695
01:34:15,695 --> 01:34:18,015
Speaker 3: Yes, but if we've got them built to a plan

1696
01:34:18,575 --> 01:34:21,415
Speaker 3: that a license architect or draft person is drawn that

1697
01:34:21,495 --> 01:34:23,815
Speaker 3: a licensed builder is building, we've all built it to

1698
01:34:23,855 --> 01:34:25,935
Speaker 3: a standard it has. It has to have a healthy

1699
01:34:25,935 --> 01:34:29,775
Speaker 3: Home certificate. We keep it simple. I don't think it

1700
01:34:29,775 --> 01:34:32,775
Speaker 3: has to be pre manufactured, but it makes sense to

1701
01:34:32,815 --> 01:34:33,655
Speaker 3: be done that way.

1702
01:34:33,895 --> 01:34:36,415
Speaker 2: Just you mentioned also insurance, and I'm thinking that you know,

1703
01:34:36,455 --> 01:34:39,855
Speaker 2: typically an insurer will have some surety around if a

1704
01:34:39,855 --> 01:34:42,335
Speaker 2: building's got a building consent, if it's got a CCC,

1705
01:34:42,975 --> 01:34:45,495
Speaker 2: that's great. Now if we've got buildings that are going

1706
01:34:45,535 --> 01:34:48,255
Speaker 2: to be built and they don't have that what surety?

1707
01:34:48,375 --> 01:34:50,535
Speaker 2: How would you give surety to the insurer that it's

1708
01:34:50,575 --> 01:34:53,175
Speaker 2: not going to cause problems for them long term?

1709
01:34:53,935 --> 01:34:57,335
Speaker 3: Again, I think it's that certification. How's these units come

1710
01:34:57,375 --> 01:34:59,815
Speaker 3: with the c c C yep, so maybe these if

1711
01:34:59,855 --> 01:35:02,015
Speaker 3: these can and maybe and it's the same with banks.

1712
01:35:02,055 --> 01:35:04,575
Speaker 3: Banks will not lend on a unit that doesn't have

1713
01:35:04,735 --> 01:35:07,415
Speaker 3: a c c C generally, So we need to come

1714
01:35:07,495 --> 01:35:08,815
Speaker 3: up with a system. And that's why I said, we

1715
01:35:08,855 --> 01:35:10,495
Speaker 3: need to get the insurance Council, We need to get

1716
01:35:10,535 --> 01:35:13,495
Speaker 3: the banks involved and say, okay, what system do we

1717
01:35:13,535 --> 01:35:15,895
Speaker 3: need in place to confirm that we can lend against

1718
01:35:15,895 --> 01:35:18,815
Speaker 3: these things and that they're ensurable. And I think it

1719
01:35:18,815 --> 01:35:21,055
Speaker 3: may be as simple as a healthy home certificate, so

1720
01:35:21,175 --> 01:35:23,775
Speaker 3: it gets right, it's been built to a code or

1721
01:35:23,815 --> 01:35:26,335
Speaker 3: it's been built to code and the licensed building practitioner

1722
01:35:26,375 --> 01:35:29,695
Speaker 3: confirms that, so that liability comes back on THEMS.

1723
01:35:30,975 --> 01:35:33,015
Speaker 2: Just a final question. One of the things that was

1724
01:35:33,015 --> 01:35:35,015
Speaker 2: talked about is that you know there would need there

1725
01:35:35,015 --> 01:35:36,815
Speaker 2: still needs to be designed right. There has to be

1726
01:35:36,895 --> 01:35:39,015
Speaker 2: a set of plans for this, and that could be done.

1727
01:35:39,255 --> 01:35:41,895
Speaker 2: They often they talk more about engineers than they do

1728
01:35:41,975 --> 01:35:45,295
Speaker 2: about architects. But let's say you're an engineer and you've done,

1729
01:35:45,855 --> 01:35:48,815
Speaker 2: You've calculated the span of the rafters and the bracing

1730
01:35:48,895 --> 01:35:52,015
Speaker 2: units required and so on. I would then expect that

1731
01:35:52,055 --> 01:35:54,495
Speaker 2: they would be undertaking on site inspections.

1732
01:35:55,575 --> 01:35:58,135
Speaker 3: I agree, But what we don't And again then they

1733
01:35:58,135 --> 01:35:59,895
Speaker 3: put their name to it. They sign a document like

1734
01:35:59,935 --> 01:36:03,575
Speaker 3: engineers now do for building consents, sign on. They are

1735
01:36:03,615 --> 01:36:08,015
Speaker 3: all registered. So let's keep it proper. What we're doing

1736
01:36:08,055 --> 01:36:11,535
Speaker 3: here is we're eliminating the glue of uncertainty that council

1737
01:36:11,655 --> 01:36:17,815
Speaker 3: bureaucracy often gives us, and the irregular patchwork of sort

1738
01:36:17,815 --> 01:36:22,095
Speaker 3: of regulations. This is going to be across the country uniform.

1739
01:36:22,455 --> 01:36:24,975
Speaker 3: Make it simple to understand. That can be done in

1740
01:36:25,055 --> 01:36:27,175
Speaker 3: ketty ketty, It can be done in Goa, It can

1741
01:36:27,215 --> 01:36:31,015
Speaker 3: be done anywhere, and we all have the same regulations

1742
01:36:31,015 --> 01:36:34,135
Speaker 3: we're working too. We want counsel out of this process,

1743
01:36:34,575 --> 01:36:37,575
Speaker 3: but we want there to be a regulatory framework and

1744
01:36:37,655 --> 01:36:40,615
Speaker 3: pathway that give surancies to home runers' banks. And also

1745
01:36:40,655 --> 01:36:43,055
Speaker 3: think about it as yourself as the neighbor. The last

1746
01:36:43,055 --> 01:36:44,975
Speaker 3: thing you want is the neighbor is that properly be

1747
01:36:45,015 --> 01:36:47,255
Speaker 3: built on the boundary. You're okay, there's a minor dwelling

1748
01:36:47,655 --> 01:36:50,415
Speaker 3: but let's make it comply. So I think that this

1749
01:36:50,655 --> 01:36:52,815
Speaker 3: time I'm going to make a submission. You know, I

1750
01:36:52,855 --> 01:36:55,415
Speaker 3: may even wander all the way down to Wellington and appear,

1751
01:36:55,455 --> 01:36:57,335
Speaker 3: because I think we've got to do this in a

1752
01:36:57,855 --> 01:37:01,375
Speaker 3: well thought out manner. And this sets the scene for

1753
01:37:01,495 --> 01:37:04,015
Speaker 3: further changes in the Building Act to make it simpler.

1754
01:37:04,175 --> 01:37:05,895
Speaker 3: I heard you were talking about the cost of building

1755
01:37:06,335 --> 01:37:09,655
Speaker 3: getting higher and higher. If we can reduce it and

1756
01:37:09,735 --> 01:37:12,615
Speaker 3: simplify it and make it least costly, you're probably going

1757
01:37:12,655 --> 01:37:14,775
Speaker 3: to get a greater amount of compliance.

1758
01:37:15,575 --> 01:37:17,655
Speaker 2: And I think too that you know a little bit

1759
01:37:17,735 --> 01:37:19,935
Speaker 2: like when they introduce the changes to Schedule one of

1760
01:37:19,975 --> 01:37:23,535
Speaker 2: the Building Act back in twenty nineteen, you know, small

1761
01:37:23,615 --> 01:37:27,175
Speaker 2: dwellings could go from ten square meters to thirty. The

1762
01:37:27,255 --> 01:37:29,335
Speaker 2: one thing that I think where most of them breaches

1763
01:37:29,375 --> 01:37:32,615
Speaker 2: they're too close to the boundary. Right, so in terms

1764
01:37:32,655 --> 01:37:35,575
Speaker 2: of imposing controls, like if suddenly you notice that your

1765
01:37:35,575 --> 01:37:37,975
Speaker 2: neighbor is building a meter from the boundary and at

1766
01:37:38,015 --> 01:37:43,295
Speaker 2: sixty square meters, that would probably breach the outline of

1767
01:37:43,615 --> 01:37:46,815
Speaker 2: what this discussion document is about, because the broad outline

1768
01:37:46,855 --> 01:37:48,575
Speaker 2: is that it should be the height of the building

1769
01:37:48,575 --> 01:37:51,655
Speaker 2: away from the boundary and that would stay. That would

1770
01:37:51,655 --> 01:37:55,415
Speaker 2: be a sensible sort of limit on where you could build.

1771
01:37:56,695 --> 01:38:00,655
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely. So again, you're not crowding things on the properties,

1772
01:38:00,895 --> 01:38:04,335
Speaker 3: you're not shoehorning them in, and you're concerned about You've

1773
01:38:04,335 --> 01:38:06,895
Speaker 3: got some concern about amenity, but for me, the more importantly,

1774
01:38:06,895 --> 01:38:09,775
Speaker 3: you've got concern about fire rating and fire control. The

1775
01:38:09,855 --> 01:38:12,375
Speaker 3: last thing we want is building's being built right on

1776
01:38:12,375 --> 01:38:14,535
Speaker 3: the boundary with no fire control. They burned down, then

1777
01:38:14,535 --> 01:38:17,135
Speaker 3: they catch the next album fire and before you know it,

1778
01:38:17,135 --> 01:38:17,895
Speaker 3: it's fire of London.

1779
01:38:17,935 --> 01:38:18,135
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1780
01:38:18,135 --> 01:38:21,535
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I look forward to seeing your submission. Maybe you

1781
01:38:21,615 --> 01:38:24,095
Speaker 2: chair of this. I think it's great and really appreciate

1782
01:38:24,135 --> 01:38:26,575
Speaker 2: your insights, and you know you've been in this game

1783
01:38:26,615 --> 01:38:29,655
Speaker 2: for a long long time. And again I mean I'm

1784
01:38:30,895 --> 01:38:33,375
Speaker 2: in some ways I'm a little bit surprised that your

1785
01:38:33,495 --> 01:38:36,095
Speaker 2: enthusiasm for it. I thought that maybe you would have

1786
01:38:36,175 --> 01:38:40,055
Speaker 2: more concerns. But now listening to what you're saying, I

1787
01:38:40,095 --> 01:38:43,015
Speaker 2: can see where you're coming from. This is potentially going

1788
01:38:43,055 --> 01:38:46,655
Speaker 2: to make a significant difference to housing affordability and housing

1789
01:38:46,695 --> 01:38:50,295
Speaker 2: availability as long as we keep those controls around it,

1790
01:38:50,295 --> 01:38:52,775
Speaker 2: because we don't want As someone text through to me earlier,

1791
01:38:53,055 --> 01:38:55,455
Speaker 2: he's looking at his neighbor who's put two car crates

1792
01:38:55,455 --> 01:38:57,575
Speaker 2: down the bit of Corrigo, dying in between and has

1793
01:38:57,575 --> 01:38:59,455
Speaker 2: got a family living there. We don't want that.

1794
01:39:00,815 --> 01:39:01,255
Speaker 8: Not at all.

1795
01:39:01,775 --> 01:39:03,695
Speaker 3: As I said at the start, this is game changer,

1796
01:39:04,215 --> 01:39:06,735
Speaker 3: devil's in the detail. Always get it right. This is

1797
01:39:06,775 --> 01:39:07,255
Speaker 3: good stuff.

1798
01:39:07,415 --> 01:39:10,055
Speaker 2: Much appreciated. Hamish Firth from Mount Hobson Groups, thank you

1799
01:39:10,175 --> 01:39:12,895
Speaker 2: very much for your time this morning, all of ust

1800
01:39:12,935 --> 01:39:17,495
Speaker 2: you Hamish take care righty oh fascinating insight. Right. You

1801
01:39:17,495 --> 01:39:19,815
Speaker 2: can make a submission too, by the way, you just

1802
01:39:19,855 --> 01:39:22,615
Speaker 2: go to mby dot gov dot n Z forward slash

1803
01:39:22,655 --> 01:39:25,695
Speaker 2: have your say, forward slash granny flats. They want to

1804
01:39:25,695 --> 01:39:27,735
Speaker 2: hear from you, so if you've got an opinion, make

1805
01:39:27,775 --> 01:39:28,975
Speaker 2: sure they get to hear about it.

1806
01:39:29,335 --> 01:39:29,495
Speaker 12: Now.

1807
01:39:29,495 --> 01:39:32,375
Speaker 2: A man who's never shy of an opinion is our

1808
01:39:32,455 --> 01:39:36,255
Speaker 2: next wonderful person. Red climb past with us after.

1809
01:39:36,055 --> 01:39:40,295
Speaker 1: The break, gardening with stell Shop Free accessories this winter

1810
01:39:40,455 --> 01:39:41,335
Speaker 1: at steal Shop.

1811
01:39:42,695 --> 01:39:45,455
Speaker 2: Red client past, never shot of an opinion. Good morning

1812
01:39:45,455 --> 01:39:50,255
Speaker 2: to you, sir. You'll you'll never die knowing thinking. I

1813
01:39:50,335 --> 01:39:51,735
Speaker 2: wonder what Rud thinks about that?

1814
01:39:52,895 --> 01:39:54,055
Speaker 20: You will hear that's right.

1815
01:39:54,855 --> 01:39:57,855
Speaker 2: I'm very well not so happy with the Dutch yesterday.

1816
01:39:57,895 --> 01:39:59,375
Speaker 2: I would have liked to have seen a win over

1817
01:39:59,415 --> 01:40:00,495
Speaker 2: France zero zero.

1818
01:40:00,615 --> 01:40:05,175
Speaker 20: Yeah, my sister's birthday and she was ringing, No, it's

1819
01:40:05,215 --> 01:40:06,935
Speaker 20: not that good.

1820
01:40:06,295 --> 01:40:08,815
Speaker 2: Oh it's not terrible either, to be fair.

1821
01:40:10,735 --> 01:40:13,055
Speaker 20: All right, but left totally lost the whole soccer thing

1822
01:40:13,095 --> 01:40:16,575
Speaker 20: at the moment. I really should take some time. Funny, Dad, you.

1823
01:40:16,535 --> 01:40:19,935
Speaker 2: Should take some time. It's bloody good fun Right, we're

1824
01:40:19,975 --> 01:40:21,935
Speaker 2: into the garden. If you've got a question for it,

1825
01:40:22,015 --> 01:40:25,175
Speaker 2: and we've got calls backed up already, let's rip into it. Chris,

1826
01:40:25,215 --> 01:40:26,215
Speaker 2: good morning to you.

1827
01:40:27,455 --> 01:40:33,215
Speaker 6: Yeah, I have specific question for a rope. I heard

1828
01:40:33,295 --> 01:40:38,855
Speaker 6: you mentioned BlackBerry a few weeks ago, and how to

1829
01:40:38,855 --> 01:40:42,975
Speaker 6: get rid of it was to get down to the

1830
01:40:43,015 --> 01:40:44,855
Speaker 6: base root of it and try to get as much

1831
01:40:44,895 --> 01:40:49,695
Speaker 6: out of it as possible. I unfortunately, living in Wellington,

1832
01:40:50,255 --> 01:40:53,935
Speaker 6: live off a house that is hanging off the side

1833
01:40:53,935 --> 01:41:01,255
Speaker 6: of a basic cliff. Yeah, without heavily frank at my

1834
01:41:01,375 --> 01:41:04,495
Speaker 6: age if I tried to be hanging down from a

1835
01:41:04,655 --> 01:41:13,095
Speaker 6: road trying to right. Guy, is there any sort of

1836
01:41:13,295 --> 01:41:16,895
Speaker 6: spray that you can get that wouldn't kill every animal

1837
01:41:17,015 --> 01:41:18,135
Speaker 6: in the neighborhood?

1838
01:41:18,535 --> 01:41:21,055
Speaker 20: No, well, yeah, there is. There is a spray that

1839
01:41:21,215 --> 01:41:26,655
Speaker 20: is really good for BlackBerry, and it's it's called. For instance,

1840
01:41:26,695 --> 01:41:30,975
Speaker 20: New Farm have a material called Associate, and Ravens Down

1841
01:41:31,015 --> 01:41:36,855
Speaker 20: have got associate Associate it's so and and Ravens Down

1842
01:41:36,855 --> 01:41:39,935
Speaker 20: have got to thing called eradicate six hundred and the

1843
01:41:40,015 --> 01:41:48,015
Speaker 20: active ingredient is known as metsol furon may feel it's it.

1844
01:41:48,295 --> 01:41:51,415
Speaker 20: It works really well on things like gorse and broom

1845
01:41:51,455 --> 01:41:54,455
Speaker 20: and BlackBerry and broad leaved weeds and things like that.

1846
01:41:54,575 --> 01:41:57,895
Speaker 20: And it's safe for grass.

1847
01:41:58,455 --> 01:42:01,535
Speaker 6: Is it okay with? Because I also have a many

1848
01:42:01,575 --> 01:42:04,535
Speaker 6: cuteria is safe that if that goes near it?

1849
01:42:05,135 --> 01:42:09,335
Speaker 20: Well keep keep the fox dairy are inside until it's dry.

1850
01:42:09,735 --> 01:42:12,335
Speaker 20: Don't even worry about it. Just you know, once it's dried,

1851
01:42:12,375 --> 01:42:14,735
Speaker 20: it's unless the fox dairy is going to eat the

1852
01:42:14,775 --> 01:42:15,895
Speaker 20: whole bank in Wellington.

1853
01:42:17,175 --> 01:42:21,175
Speaker 6: I have to actually consume it too, Yeah of.

1854
01:42:21,095 --> 01:42:23,495
Speaker 20: Course, yeah, yeah, I wouldn't be too worried about that.

1855
01:42:23,695 --> 01:42:25,415
Speaker 20: Now let it dry then then the.

1856
01:42:25,375 --> 01:42:29,055
Speaker 6: Fox's probably bad and let it dry and.

1857
01:42:29,015 --> 01:42:32,575
Speaker 20: Yeah yeah yeah, and do it on a dry day.

1858
01:42:32,695 --> 01:42:35,495
Speaker 6: It's just turned into like a you know what, well

1859
01:42:35,535 --> 01:42:39,055
Speaker 6: econs like like one. I don't want to spury every

1860
01:42:39,095 --> 01:42:40,535
Speaker 6: animal the no.

1861
01:42:40,815 --> 01:42:44,935
Speaker 2: I only do the spraying when it's good conditions and

1862
01:42:44,975 --> 01:42:47,695
Speaker 2: wear a mask. You kind of I kind of learned

1863
01:42:47,695 --> 01:42:50,295
Speaker 2: that this week, but I won't go into that. Kath,

1864
01:42:50,895 --> 01:42:53,015
Speaker 2: Good morning to you.

1865
01:42:53,055 --> 01:42:54,975
Speaker 17: Good morning guys.

1866
01:42:55,615 --> 01:42:55,855
Speaker 7: Rude.

1867
01:42:55,855 --> 01:42:59,255
Speaker 17: I wonder if you can help me through unexpected circumstances

1868
01:42:59,255 --> 01:43:03,895
Speaker 17: we have to move. I would like to take some

1869
01:43:04,095 --> 01:43:08,095
Speaker 17: gardenias with me and a lemon tray, and I just

1870
01:43:08,135 --> 01:43:11,295
Speaker 17: need to know the process. They were all only planted

1871
01:43:11,455 --> 01:43:12,735
Speaker 17: in April.

1872
01:43:13,095 --> 01:43:15,375
Speaker 20: I think there should be no problem when you're going very.

1873
01:43:15,255 --> 01:43:19,255
Speaker 17: Soonish, yeah, very soonish, within the next four weeks, I

1874
01:43:19,255 --> 01:43:19,895
Speaker 17: would think.

1875
01:43:20,375 --> 01:43:22,695
Speaker 20: I think this is the best time of the year

1876
01:43:22,935 --> 01:43:27,895
Speaker 20: to actually move gardenias and citrus, lemon trees and things

1877
01:43:27,935 --> 01:43:32,535
Speaker 20: like that. Right the reason the reason is their dormant.

1878
01:43:32,575 --> 01:43:35,095
Speaker 20: So you dig them up with as many roots as

1879
01:43:35,095 --> 01:43:38,055
Speaker 20: you can and it goes for both of them, if

1880
01:43:38,095 --> 01:43:42,295
Speaker 20: you like. And then if you like, you you, if

1881
01:43:42,335 --> 01:43:44,375
Speaker 20: you like, you packed them in an old plastic bag

1882
01:43:44,495 --> 01:43:47,655
Speaker 20: or something so that they stay keep moist while you're shifting.

1883
01:43:48,615 --> 01:43:53,375
Speaker 17: Right, okay, anyway you go, Thank you very much for that.

1884
01:43:53,935 --> 01:43:57,295
Speaker 20: More than welcome. It's really you're really at the best

1885
01:43:57,295 --> 01:43:57,975
Speaker 20: time for moving.

1886
01:43:58,015 --> 01:43:58,215
Speaker 3: Keith.

1887
01:43:58,295 --> 01:44:00,495
Speaker 20: This is great. This is by the way, for anybody

1888
01:44:00,535 --> 01:44:02,935
Speaker 20: else listening, this is a good time to change the

1889
01:44:02,975 --> 01:44:05,095
Speaker 20: position of plants that you don't like where it is

1890
01:44:05,135 --> 01:44:07,815
Speaker 20: it now, So you doing great, all.

1891
01:44:07,775 --> 01:44:09,815
Speaker 17: Right, thank you very much.

1892
01:44:10,455 --> 01:44:12,975
Speaker 2: Thank you all the best. Actually that's good news for

1893
01:44:13,015 --> 01:44:15,735
Speaker 2: me because I had this little camellia that struggled for

1894
01:44:15,775 --> 01:44:19,015
Speaker 2: the last couple of years. Just I think I did

1895
01:44:19,055 --> 01:44:22,935
Speaker 2: everything right. And we're working in the garden at a

1896
01:44:23,015 --> 01:44:24,975
Speaker 2: place that I look after the other day and I said, right,

1897
01:44:25,095 --> 01:44:27,375
Speaker 2: let's get it out because it obviously doesn't like where

1898
01:44:27,375 --> 01:44:29,615
Speaker 2: it is, and we've moved it a little bit more shade,

1899
01:44:29,695 --> 01:44:32,535
Speaker 2: not as much direct sun. Hopefully it'll kickoff. So now's

1900
01:44:32,575 --> 01:44:33,855
Speaker 2: the right time to do that sort of work in

1901
01:44:33,895 --> 01:44:34,295
Speaker 2: the garden.

1902
01:44:34,655 --> 01:44:37,495
Speaker 20: Absolutely, But for a camellia, it would be good to

1903
01:44:38,295 --> 01:44:41,295
Speaker 20: depending on where it is. It does need a little

1904
01:44:41,335 --> 01:44:43,015
Speaker 20: bit of light, I suppose. I don't know if.

1905
01:44:43,055 --> 01:44:45,695
Speaker 2: It'll still get some sunlight. It'll just get a little

1906
01:44:45,735 --> 01:44:50,895
Speaker 2: bit more shade in the early morning. Okay, maybe it'll

1907
01:44:50,935 --> 01:44:52,535
Speaker 2: just turn up its toast. Maybe it's just a.

1908
01:44:52,855 --> 01:44:56,055
Speaker 20: Yeah, maybe it's just well, it didn't even.

1909
01:44:55,855 --> 01:44:58,095
Speaker 2: Get a start. It was how he got to about

1910
01:44:58,375 --> 01:45:01,935
Speaker 2: bloody not even a meter high. It's just salt. It's

1911
01:45:02,175 --> 01:45:02,895
Speaker 2: entire life.

1912
01:45:03,295 --> 01:45:05,815
Speaker 20: Yeah, it's what it's It could be a Dutch football

1913
01:45:05,895 --> 01:45:07,695
Speaker 20: football sulky.

1914
01:45:07,855 --> 01:45:13,695
Speaker 2: Sulky complaining about the referee. Right, oh, Marg, good morning

1915
01:45:13,735 --> 01:45:14,095
Speaker 2: to you.

1916
01:45:15,575 --> 01:45:17,815
Speaker 19: It's mag.

1917
01:45:17,935 --> 01:45:20,895
Speaker 20: It's Mag from Grismond. This is going to be my mag.

1918
01:45:21,135 --> 01:45:22,135
Speaker 20: How are you darling?

1919
01:45:22,935 --> 01:45:24,615
Speaker 21: It's sword Hill as well.

1920
01:45:25,135 --> 01:45:27,975
Speaker 20: I know, I know, but you I think you've been

1921
01:45:28,015 --> 01:45:31,215
Speaker 20: one of my most regular callers since.

1922
01:45:32,415 --> 01:45:35,215
Speaker 2: Nineteen slower sit.

1923
01:45:35,175 --> 01:45:40,055
Speaker 8: Out of the well.

1924
01:45:40,255 --> 01:45:40,455
Speaker 17: Used.

1925
01:45:40,655 --> 01:45:45,775
Speaker 22: I used to do a tray of eggs and take

1926
01:45:45,855 --> 01:45:52,695
Speaker 22: them to everything, and you cannot now get at the

1927
01:45:55,055 --> 01:46:00,495
Speaker 22: you can't have get the whole tray or the any

1928
01:46:01,215 --> 01:46:04,535
Speaker 22: you can't even get any eggs hole.

1929
01:46:04,815 --> 01:46:14,095
Speaker 21: You get the what or the or the everything.

1930
01:46:15,255 --> 01:46:18,175
Speaker 20: So well, so tell me what you want to buy

1931
01:46:18,215 --> 01:46:20,655
Speaker 20: a tray of eggs and you can't get those engagement

1932
01:46:20,695 --> 01:46:21,415
Speaker 20: are you telling me?

1933
01:46:22,335 --> 01:46:22,655
Speaker 17: No?

1934
01:46:22,855 --> 01:46:26,255
Speaker 21: No, it's nothing to do with where they are, but

1935
01:46:26,455 --> 01:46:29,775
Speaker 21: they will not will not stay.

1936
01:46:31,455 --> 01:46:33,655
Speaker 22: Whole, and they.

1937
01:46:35,495 --> 01:46:38,975
Speaker 21: Just how can I say it to get it right?

1938
01:46:39,535 --> 01:46:39,735
Speaker 8: Yeah?

1939
01:46:40,615 --> 01:46:43,295
Speaker 21: Yeah, it used they used to be.

1940
01:46:45,095 --> 01:46:54,335
Speaker 22: No, all the white is not in one place, wrong, dad, Everything.

1941
01:46:54,695 --> 01:46:57,215
Speaker 20: I don't know make I have no. I am not

1942
01:46:57,455 --> 01:47:00,175
Speaker 20: somebody who is really good at eggs. Having said that,

1943
01:47:00,255 --> 01:47:02,895
Speaker 20: I did band some birds and birds are known to

1944
01:47:02,975 --> 01:47:07,375
Speaker 20: lay eggs, but you know, I don't know about those

1945
01:47:07,455 --> 01:47:09,735
Speaker 20: sort of things. To be quite honest, I can't help

1946
01:47:09,775 --> 01:47:11,015
Speaker 20: you with that, Mark this time.

1947
01:47:11,815 --> 01:47:14,375
Speaker 21: Well, I thought you'd have the answer.

1948
01:47:14,895 --> 01:47:17,735
Speaker 20: Well, I sometimes do, but not always. If you know

1949
01:47:17,775 --> 01:47:20,015
Speaker 20: what the funny thing is, Pezza is right, you know,

1950
01:47:20,055 --> 01:47:22,095
Speaker 20: I'll tell it like it is. If I don't know

1951
01:47:22,135 --> 01:47:25,735
Speaker 20: the answer, I'm not, you know, shy to say I

1952
01:47:25,775 --> 01:47:28,775
Speaker 20: don't know the answer, simple as that, you know what

1953
01:47:28,775 --> 01:47:29,095
Speaker 20: I mean?

1954
01:47:29,295 --> 01:47:34,415
Speaker 21: No, no, no, no, it was. It's just that you

1955
01:47:34,455 --> 01:47:39,335
Speaker 21: cannot get the whole eggs in all one place, no

1956
01:47:41,255 --> 01:47:47,495
Speaker 21: one place, and no it won't do it. So I'm

1957
01:47:47,495 --> 01:47:48,895
Speaker 21: not telling you properly.

1958
01:47:49,095 --> 01:47:51,815
Speaker 20: But no, no, it's all right. Have you tried having

1959
01:47:51,895 --> 01:47:54,055
Speaker 20: a you have you tried having chickens yourself?

1960
01:47:55,175 --> 01:47:55,415
Speaker 8: No?

1961
01:47:55,735 --> 01:47:56,455
Speaker 5: We didn't do.

1962
01:47:58,575 --> 01:47:59,415
Speaker 13: It's good.

1963
01:48:00,455 --> 01:48:04,775
Speaker 21: Yeah, but they just will not have the eggs and

1964
01:48:04,895 --> 01:48:07,055
Speaker 21: the white and the yoke.

1965
01:48:07,695 --> 01:48:12,095
Speaker 20: Yeah, I see what you mean. Okay, No, sorry, you

1966
01:48:12,215 --> 01:48:15,135
Speaker 20: need to go to an egg egologist.

1967
01:48:15,575 --> 01:48:16,175
Speaker 2: How is it?

1968
01:48:17,495 --> 01:48:17,695
Speaker 8: Hey?

1969
01:48:17,735 --> 01:48:19,415
Speaker 20: Text for you call? Thanks for your call.

1970
01:48:19,535 --> 01:48:21,495
Speaker 2: Mark, I'll get my nephew to give you a call.

1971
01:48:21,575 --> 01:48:25,575
Speaker 2: He's got he loves them, righty oh uh let's take

1972
01:48:25,575 --> 01:48:28,135
Speaker 2: a short break. Let's do that right now, and then

1973
01:48:28,135 --> 01:48:30,015
Speaker 2: we'll be back. We're through it after the break.

1974
01:48:31,855 --> 01:48:34,815
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1975
01:48:34,895 --> 01:48:37,655
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1976
01:48:38,015 --> 01:48:40,055
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