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Speaker 1: It turns out more voters blame this government than Justinder's

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Speaker 1: government for the state of the economy. According to the

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Speaker 1: latest R and Z Reid Research poll, thirty eight percent

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Speaker 1: of voters blame the coalition government, thirty one percent of

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Speaker 1: voters blame the previous labor government, and twenty four percent

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Speaker 1: of voters blame both. Chris Hopkins is the labor leader.

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Speaker 1: Hid chippie get a jeez. People have short memories for

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Speaker 1: what you people did to the economy.

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Speaker 2: Ah ah, here they drop your National Party spin. I

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Speaker 2: think New Zealanders can see that things are going backwards

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Speaker 2: under this government. They came in. They said they were

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Speaker 2: going to fix the cost of living. They're making it worse.

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Speaker 2: They said they were going to get people into work.

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Speaker 2: Unemployments going up. They said they were going to grow

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Speaker 2: the economy. Economic growth is stalled, and in fact evidence

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Speaker 2: suggests it's going backwards. People can see that things are

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Speaker 2: getting worse rather than better. As government.

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Speaker 1: Okay, what's your plan to fix it?

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Speaker 2: Well, we're going to have to take some long term

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Speaker 2: make some long term decisions as a country. We've got

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Speaker 2: to get New Zealand investing in productive businesses rather than

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Speaker 2: just relying on the housing market going up in value

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Speaker 2: in order to grow our economy. We've also got to

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Speaker 2: make sure that we're not just relying on population growth

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Speaker 2: to grow our economy. We actually have to.

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Speaker 1: Productivity, which we already know. But what I you You

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Speaker 1: haven't got any plans yet.

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Speaker 2: Have you. We're going to set out well, we'll set

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Speaker 2: out a few things before the end of the year

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Speaker 2: about how we will do things differently. But right now

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Speaker 2: the ball is in the government's court. They are the

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Speaker 2: ones who are governing the country on a daily basis

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Speaker 2: and making things worse.

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Speaker 1: Is your plan, including your CGT, Are you finally going

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Speaker 1: to get that off your chest?

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Speaker 2: Well, well, I've said that we'll set out of text

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Speaker 2: policy before the end of the year and we will

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Speaker 2: definitely do that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, good, Now, what is going on with the Maori Party?

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Speaker 2: I'm not entirely sure. I think that you know, Taku

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Speaker 2: to Verus's comments last week and John Timmyheady's comments today,

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Speaker 2: really the visit there unhelpful and you know, I absolutely

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Speaker 2: don't think there's any place for them in political debate

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Speaker 2: in New Zealand. You know, we should be focused on

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Speaker 2: bringing the country together on fine in ground where people

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Speaker 2: can come together in a spirit of unity. And I

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Speaker 2: just think that the Marti Party's comments, you know, mostly

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Speaker 2: tarkuter Ferus' comments, but also are the ones John Tamaheady

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Speaker 2: made today are incompatible with that?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? So is there internal disagreement going on? Given that

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Speaker 1: Debbie has apologized to you, but then tarcuter won't take

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Speaker 1: it down, and then John John talmahead has backed him up.

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Speaker 1: Is there is there a breakdown between them?

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Speaker 2: That's really a question for the Mardi Party. I take

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Speaker 2: Debi at her word. Well, when I spoke to Debbie

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Speaker 2: Nardi were paka, she said that they didn't reflect the

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Speaker 2: views that tarkuter Ferus' comments did not. She played the

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Speaker 2: Mardi Party and well, I took it to be very genuine.

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Speaker 2: I've found her and my communications with her previously to

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Speaker 2: be very genuine, and I have no reason to doubt.

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Speaker 1: That because it's one of the two, isn't it, Chippy?

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Speaker 1: It's either that she is playing you or there is

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Speaker 1: a breakdown between her and John Talmahetty, which is reasonably significant.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's really a question for them rather than for me.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I accepted Debi Nadi were Packer's last week

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Speaker 2: that you know that didn't reflect her party's view. John

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Speaker 2: Tammahitty's comments this morning aren't particularly helpful in that regard.

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Speaker 1: No, look, I know that it is a question for her,

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Speaker 1: but she doesn't that none of them speak to the

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Speaker 1: mainstream media. So what can we do about that? The

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Speaker 1: problem for you that I fullesee is that if you

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Speaker 1: were to form a government with them, which you would

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Speaker 1: need to do on current numbers, you can't just take

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Speaker 1: this kind of hands off approach right If they start

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Speaker 1: acting up like this, you're going to be the prime

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Speaker 1: minister who has to explain what you're going to do

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Speaker 1: about it. What can you actually do about it? If

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Speaker 1: Takuta doesn't even listen to his leader, he's not going

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Speaker 1: to listen to you.

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Speaker 2: I'm encouraged by where Labour's out at the polls now.

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Speaker 2: We're doing much better than we were hit the last election, clearly.

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Speaker 2: But my goal between now and this time next year

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Speaker 2: when we're heading into the next election is to grow

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Speaker 2: Labour's support significantly more.

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Speaker 1: Are you trying to say to you so you don't

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Speaker 1: need the Malori Party?

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Speaker 2: Well, in an ideal world, you know we'd get a

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Speaker 2: labor majority. We don't live in an ideal world. That's

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Speaker 2: highly unlikely on MP we'd need to work with other parties.

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Speaker 2: But if we can get Labour's support up to the

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Speaker 2: point where we can where we have other options, that

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Speaker 2: would be much much better. It's my goal is to

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Speaker 2: try and get labor support as high as I can.

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Speaker 1: All right, should be good luck with that. Chris Hopkins,

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Speaker 1: Labor Party Leader.

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