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Speaker 3: Hello Kioder, good afternoon, and welcome into the Saturday edition

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Speaker 3: of Weekend Sport on News Talks d B. Saturday, January seventeen.

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Speaker 3: Scott Robinson gone as All Blacks head coach, the nuclear

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Speaker 3: option taken, the slate cleaned, the last two years consigned

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Speaker 3: to history. Was it the right call? Yes? Board chair

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Speaker 3: David Kirk talked about trajectory on Thursday. The All Blacks

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Speaker 3: were not heading upwards, they had it best plateaued and

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Speaker 3: were in fact trending dangerously downwards. Were not more confident

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Speaker 3: about the All Blacks at the end of twenty twenty

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Speaker 3: five than we were at the start of twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 3: The signs of improvement were sporadic at best, overshadowed by

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Speaker 3: doubt and confusion around tactics, around selection, around progress, around

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Speaker 3: potential World Cup success. That is the sole filter through

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Speaker 3: which David Kirk and co examined things and made their decision.

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Speaker 3: Were the All Blacks on track?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 3: They were not. Has Scott Robertson suddenly become a bad

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Speaker 3: rugby coach? No, but he clearly underestimated the enormity of

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Speaker 3: the job, and those who put him into the role

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Speaker 3: overestimated his ability to do it. Raises superpowers team culture,

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Speaker 3: which he built superbly at the Crusaders. But consider how

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Speaker 3: different that environment is. You have your players with you

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Speaker 3: every day for six months. If you lose, you simply

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Speaker 3: go again next week. And the public interest, while certainly robust,

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Speaker 3: All Blacks, which has paralyzed many before him. It's unforgiving

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Speaker 3: in its intensity, demanding in its twenty four to seven nature,

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Speaker 3: it takes. They go in full of bolishness, bright ideas,

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Speaker 3: enough for the enormous boots that they have been assigned

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Speaker 3: an obvious naivety about exactly what it was they were

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Speaker 3: walking into. There is a reason this team is talked

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Speaker 3: the All Blacks. There's a legacy to uphold, a reputation,

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Speaker 3: to protect, a history, to responsibility to carry. Not everyone

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Speaker 3: can do that job. In fact, very few can. Scott

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Speaker 3: Robertson took it on with every intention of enhancing the

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Speaker 3: that out quickly so that you and your employer can

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Speaker 3: move on. And that is now the question for the

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Speaker 3: All Blacks. Move on to what, or more correctly, to who,

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Speaker 3: who has the tools, the knowledge, the fortitude and the

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Speaker 3: no soft landing. There's a World Cup next and the

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Speaker 3: Being able to coach Scrum's lineouts and backline moves is

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Speaker 3: you need international experience, the ability to assemble an effective

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Speaker 3: the players super rugby coaches, your bosses at New Zealand Rugby,

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Speaker 3: So who will come forward with the same bravery, the

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Speaker 3: Who will accept this poisoned chalice and attempt to make

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Speaker 3: We're going to go straight away twelve past midday. You've

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Speaker 3: had some time to think about this, nearly forty eight

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Speaker 3: where's midday Saturday? Can it hurry up and get here

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Speaker 3: You're the ones who have come along for the ride

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Speaker 3: for the last two years. So it's you I want

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Speaker 3: we'll get to the end all of that, it'll nearly

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Speaker 4: Is it?

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Speaker 6: And that's the reason they Thrashess in Willington. They the

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Speaker 3: And okay, so the answer, so the answer for you,

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Speaker 3: the answer for you, Roger is open it up and

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Speaker 3: let let players from everywhere play. Okay, apart from Richie Wonger,

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Speaker 6: Just who is qualified to be an All Black who's playing

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Speaker 6: Play there, but he must be available or they must

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Speaker 3: All right, Roger, thanks to your call on that. So

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Speaker 3: this conversation, absolutely, and I'm not sure that it was

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Speaker 3: Moran to come back. I'm not sure that was the

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Speaker 3: I appreciate you call, Roger. Thank you. Winston, Hello, Hi Pony.

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Speaker 8: I just think they should give John Mitchell another go

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Speaker 8: if he wants to accept it, because I mean, really,

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Speaker 8: he's you can't reague with his recording. He's got a

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Speaker 3: Right John Mitchell, So yeah, recently guided the England women

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Speaker 3: Wasn't universally popular when he was the All Blacks coach

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Speaker 3: between two thousand and one and three, Winston, But you're

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Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, yeah, England men as well, Winston. It's

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Speaker 3: John Mitchell certainly should probably be in the conversation. Thank you, Winston.

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Speaker 3: Artie save has got a lot of backers. Could I jealous?

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Speaker 9: Hie Eyes on air with I was talking to Beverage.

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Speaker 9: I think it's Wednesday when the story broke and we

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Speaker 9: were joking Beverage on sport, But I said, I wonder

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Speaker 10: Trust?

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Speaker 3: Didn't trust him, Beverage to necessarily have the of the

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Speaker 9: Well, he jokes that he laughed at himself to you know,

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Speaker 9: Beverage on sport whenever he's forced him to do in sports.

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Speaker 11: So but.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, so it's good to have you, you're say, finally

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Speaker 9: and to hear you.

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Speaker 7: So, I think.

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Speaker 9: There are going to be problems whoever takes on the roll.

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Speaker 9: He actually said it's a bit of a poison challenge

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Speaker 9: and whoever wants it. But I think Jamie Joseph they've

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Speaker 9: got to give him a go now.

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Speaker 3: He seems the most of it. Jealousy seems the most

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Speaker 3: if you're a bookmaker and you were running a book

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Speaker 3: on this, he would be the favorite.

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Speaker 9: Well maybe he should have got the job two years

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Speaker 11: I'm not going to come for you quite like Mike,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the confusion around that with me, Rachel, and I

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Speaker 3: You're great to hear from you as always. Thanks for

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Speaker 3: Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty and number twelve

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Speaker 3: twenty four Back with more of your calls after this.

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Speaker 1: The Tough Questions after Turf Weekend Sport with Jason Tyne

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Speaker 1: and GJ. Gunnerholmes, New Zealand's most trusted home builder news Dogs.

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Speaker 3: Twelve twenty seven calls. Stacking up full board at the moment.

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Speaker 3: If you can't get through the first time, please keep trying.

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Speaker 3: Jeff Wilson before one. Hello, James, Hey, Piney, here you go, mate,

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Speaker 3: Good James, good.

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Speaker 15: Hey.

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Speaker 16: I know you've probably got a million callers, so I

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Speaker 16: Yeah, the one hundred percent and then you get a

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Speaker 10: Do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 3: I do, James, I do. Look, you've made your points

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Speaker 3: Who are you picking to be next? Who do you

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Speaker 15: My own personal view, Poneers, I would like to see

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Speaker 13: He just lost me.

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Speaker 15: We'd had those losses and it wouldn't be him speaking,

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Speaker 3: And that has not happened. And so the big point

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Speaker 3: here is that is that franchise rugby is very, very

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Speaker 15: Absolutely, and I agree I thought the same.

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Speaker 3: Good man, Paul, Thanks thanks for calling through. Might I

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Speaker 3: appreciate it? Better move Terrence, you're up next to you

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Speaker 12: I think I think it. I think initially it's going

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Speaker 12: he talked about a global search, didn't he about a

431
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Speaker 12: coach that they're prepared to accept Africans from anywhere? So

432
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Speaker 12: are we prepared to entertain the thought of a non

433
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Speaker 12: New Zealander coaching the All Blacks? And if the answer

434
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Speaker 12: that is yes, been on going with Jake White.

435
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Speaker 3: Jake White, I was going to say Rassi Erasmus will

436
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Speaker 3: be about the only one who I would look at, Terrence,

437
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Speaker 3: you know, and I think it would be Yeah. I

438
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Speaker 3: don't know. I feel as though there are a number

439
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Speaker 3: of good Kiwi candidates and are we ready look at

440
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Speaker 3: it's a professional environment. A lot of other countries have

441
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Speaker 3: taken Kiwi's or people not you know, from that country

442
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Speaker 3: to coach them. I don't know whether we're quite ready

443
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Speaker 3: for that as a rugby public yet. Okay, but yeah,

444
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Speaker 3: I look, nothing's off the table, Terrence. I'm sure nothing

445
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Speaker 3: is off the table. Jamie Joseph feels like that as

446
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Speaker 3: I said, as I said a couple of times, and

447
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Speaker 3: this isn't rocket science. He seems like the obvious one,

448
00:24:45,867 --> 00:24:50,587
Speaker 3: and that he has had international experience. That the connection

449
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Speaker 3: he has with Tony Brown, and you look at what

450
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Speaker 3: Tony Brown's done with South Africa is extremely compelling, rarely compelling.

451
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Speaker 3: So if Jamie Joseph, like I say, was able to

452
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Speaker 3: get Tony Brown out of that contract and bring him back.

453
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Speaker 3: And I've been trying really really hard this week to

454
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Speaker 3: get into the mind of Tony Brown. Put yourself in

455
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Speaker 3: his position, what would you be thinking right now? Tony

456
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Speaker 3: Brown's come on this show a couple of times to

457
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Speaker 3: talk about, you know, his time in South Africa, and

458
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Speaker 3: he's always said how keen he is one day to

459
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Speaker 3: coach the All Blacks. So when, when and if that

460
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Speaker 3: is offered to him, If it was offered to him, now,

461
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Speaker 3: if Jamie Joseph was told you're the new head coach

462
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Speaker 3: of the All Blacks and he wrung Tony Brown, what

463
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Speaker 3: would Tony Brown say? Because while he's contracted to South Africa,

464
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Speaker 3: you can get out of these things. You know, contracts

465
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Speaker 3: can be broken. So what I'm just trying my best

466
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Speaker 3: to understand or even to guess what Tony Brown's thinking

467
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Speaker 3: right now. That might be one for a bit further

468
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Speaker 3: down the track.

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Speaker 17: Hello, ay Je, you get a pony happy to you.

470
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Speaker 18: And I call it a year ago I said to you,

471
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Speaker 18: remember as super rugby stad last year, I said, I

472
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Speaker 18: don't think Raser is going to laugh to year last

473
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Speaker 18: or four years out.

474
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Speaker 17: And I don't want to blow my own trumpet. But

475
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Speaker 17: what Rachel said a few callers ago is one hundred

476
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Speaker 17: percent right. And also, yeah, I've never heard somebody talk

477
00:26:18,027 --> 00:26:20,907
Speaker 17: so much word sellers and I actually say what they're thinking,

478
00:26:21,307 --> 00:26:24,947
Speaker 17: and some of the raisers postmatch interviews and that. And

479
00:26:25,027 --> 00:26:27,707
Speaker 17: you could see you last year doing the especially from

480
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Speaker 17: Eden Park to Wellington and then we've got lost in Argentina.

481
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Speaker 17: You could see that he'd lost the team and lost

482
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Speaker 17: the room and stuff like that. That's one thing you

483
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Speaker 17: can say about Foster. Foster never lost the room. So

484
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Speaker 17: my my changes, I would make Jamie Joseph, we can

485
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Speaker 17: get Tony Brown, they'd big great, But I think you've

486
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Speaker 17: got to have Dave running in there, and I'd like

487
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Speaker 17: to see him. Look at somebody. Get somebody like Shawn

488
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Speaker 17: Edwards or Frederick Jones as a specialist defense coach, you know,

489
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Speaker 17: look outside the square a little bit, even get somebody

490
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Speaker 17: from the AFL or NRL and open our minds up

491
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Speaker 17: a bit. Another big thing is what Raises didn't realize

492
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Speaker 17: is how big the driver is in different from provincial

493
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Speaker 17: or super for rugby. Is the pressure that comes being

494
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Speaker 17: international coach and how little things can have massive changes

495
00:27:13,107 --> 00:27:15,387
Speaker 17: from week to week and stuff like that. And I

496
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Speaker 17: think that the biggest loss that they've lost his all

497
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Speaker 17: Becks is losing Darren Shan with all is what one

498
00:27:20,707 --> 00:27:23,867
Speaker 17: hundred and fifty kismetric experience is a manager and I

499
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Speaker 17: think that was a massive loss.

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Speaker 13: Mate.

501
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and aj what also happened is not just Darren

502
00:27:29,307 --> 00:27:33,987
Speaker 3: Shann but almost that entire All Blacks management team. And look,

503
00:27:34,027 --> 00:27:36,387
Speaker 3: it was Scott Robertson's right when he came in to

504
00:27:36,947 --> 00:27:39,867
Speaker 3: take his own support stuff. And that's cool, but a

505
00:27:39,907 --> 00:27:43,547
Speaker 3: lot of institutional knowledge walked out the door with the

506
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Speaker 3: en foster, you know, and those who who Scott Robertson

507
00:27:48,507 --> 00:27:51,667
Speaker 3: chose not to retain. And as I said right at

508
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Speaker 3: the top of the show, I just feel as though

509
00:27:54,107 --> 00:27:58,067
Speaker 3: he underestimated just how big this team is.

510
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Speaker 7: Yep.

511
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Speaker 17: Absolutely job was and whatnot, and also all the different

512
00:28:04,187 --> 00:28:07,507
Speaker 17: things that come with being a international Test coach, but

513
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Speaker 17: also all that they say, it's the highest position down

514
00:28:09,947 --> 00:28:12,507
Speaker 17: from the Prime Minister and he's in it. And one

515
00:28:12,547 --> 00:28:14,947
Speaker 17: thing I know about David Kirk a like I knew

516
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Speaker 17: he'd made the top call. I just I just knew

517
00:28:16,867 --> 00:28:19,107
Speaker 17: he'd made the top call. He was press secret to

518
00:28:19,187 --> 00:28:22,347
Speaker 17: he's a certain guy by Brendan James Boulder, and he

519
00:28:22,507 --> 00:28:24,827
Speaker 17: was the man that said you've lost the country with

520
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Speaker 17: what Richardson did, She's gone too deep. And next month,

521
00:28:28,387 --> 00:28:31,347
Speaker 17: next month Duvet told him that he got rid of

522
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Speaker 17: Van Ruf Richardson and he won the next three elections.

523
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Speaker 17: So you know, I knew he'd made the big calls

524
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Speaker 17: David kirk and I have high hopes going forward because

525
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Speaker 17: when he gave written and Kane Randall and Richard Low

526
00:28:43,747 --> 00:28:46,827
Speaker 17: on Hamers's christ The Show yesterday or the day before

527
00:28:47,147 --> 00:28:51,467
Speaker 17: saying that what Pat, you, Renny and Mark Robinson and

528
00:28:51,827 --> 00:28:55,347
Speaker 17: their board's done over the last nine years, we've actually lost.

529
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Speaker 17: We need to get back to being the leaders and

530
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Speaker 17: the winners in the world and being the bullies. And

531
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Speaker 17: I think Guve said yesterday we've got to start tagging

532
00:29:03,987 --> 00:29:06,947
Speaker 17: people scool lunches again and being people were speed on

533
00:29:06,947 --> 00:29:09,827
Speaker 17: the rugby field, not just has been. You know what

534
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Speaker 17: I mean?

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Speaker 3: I do a jay, Thanks mate, thanks for widening the discussion.

536
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Speaker 3: I really do do appreciate it. Thanks. Indeed, we're going

537
00:29:17,787 --> 00:29:22,947
Speaker 3: to hear from Jeff Wilson shortly Ross Hello, Yeah, a noon, Poney.

538
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Speaker 13: Hey, I'm going for burn Cotter, Leon McDonald and Joe Smith.

539
00:29:29,787 --> 00:29:32,707
Speaker 13: Of those three would be my pick, beating be and

540
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Speaker 13: Lea McDonald and Cod of worked closely with Auckland and

541
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Speaker 13: we've seen a turnaround Joe Stt when he came in Zilbacks.

542
00:29:42,187 --> 00:29:43,987
Speaker 13: He changed the back line. They've got a bit of

543
00:29:44,067 --> 00:29:46,187
Speaker 13: momentum going. You could see that.

544
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Speaker 3: And with.

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Speaker 13: The other side of it is a selection. I just

546
00:29:54,427 --> 00:29:58,787
Speaker 13: felt like they brought Broden Barrett back from Japan posed

547
00:29:58,827 --> 00:30:03,227
Speaker 13: to having Harry Plummer who absolutely carved McKenzie up, mat

548
00:30:03,267 --> 00:30:07,587
Speaker 13: Donald ed Eden Park and the week. So I think

549
00:30:07,667 --> 00:30:13,027
Speaker 13: they've missed selections and keeping people in key roles for

550
00:30:13,307 --> 00:30:17,027
Speaker 13: a long time. Sam Light Locke and Broidery tatics have

551
00:30:17,107 --> 00:30:21,947
Speaker 13: never been have never been replaced as such in my view,

552
00:30:21,987 --> 00:30:24,987
Speaker 13: there's always something different in different positions and I think

553
00:30:25,027 --> 00:30:26,547
Speaker 13: people just finally've got it now.

554
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Speaker 3: Thanks Ross, I appreciate your thoughts. So Vernecotta, Leon McDonald.

555
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Speaker 3: Joe Schmitt. I think Joe Schmitt would be a great

556
00:30:34,307 --> 00:30:36,507
Speaker 3: guy to have involved in some way, shape or form.

557
00:30:37,227 --> 00:30:39,427
Speaker 3: He made a huge difference when he came back into

558
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Speaker 3: that coaching team under Ian Foster after that Irish series,

559
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Speaker 3: when those changes were made, Joe Schmitt coming back in

560
00:30:46,347 --> 00:30:50,547
Speaker 3: at that point was a massive, a massive factor in

561
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Speaker 3: the upswing in the fortunes of the All Blacks from

562
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Speaker 3: the back end of twenty twenty two into twenty twenty three. Well,

563
00:30:57,587 --> 00:30:59,467
Speaker 3: let's not forget they came within a point of winning

564
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Speaker 3: the Rugby World Cup. So if somehow Joe Schmitt can

565
00:31:02,627 --> 00:31:05,987
Speaker 3: be convinced, you know, it seems though every time you

566
00:31:05,987 --> 00:31:08,467
Speaker 3: hear from Schmidt he says I want to step away,

567
00:31:08,707 --> 00:31:11,547
Speaker 3: but he steps into jobs. I mean he's still effectively

568
00:31:11,547 --> 00:31:13,787
Speaker 3: the Wallabies coach into what mid this year when he's

569
00:31:13,787 --> 00:31:15,627
Speaker 3: going to hand it over to Les Kiss, So then

570
00:31:15,667 --> 00:31:18,387
Speaker 3: effectively I guess he'll be available. Someone said that I

571
00:31:18,427 --> 00:31:20,227
Speaker 3: think you're dreaming if you think the South Africa will

572
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Speaker 3: let Tony Brown go. Look, I kind of feel like

573
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Speaker 3: South Africa and Rasi Erasmus. I feel like Raci Erasmus

574
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Speaker 3: would say, you know what, Tony, you go, will be okay,

575
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Speaker 3: you go. I don't know what makes me think that.

576
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Speaker 3: It's probably a little bit naive, but I feel as

577
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Speaker 3: though Rasi will just you know, yes, Tony Brown's done

578
00:31:44,827 --> 00:31:48,227
Speaker 3: an absolutely magnificent job there. But Rasi Erasmus is so

579
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Speaker 3: bullish and so confident. I think he'd said, as a

580
00:31:52,027 --> 00:31:54,947
Speaker 3: feather in his cap, if he developed Tony Brown as

581
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Speaker 3: a coach, send him back to the All Blacks. And

582
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Speaker 3: then the South African rugby team came and beat the

583
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Speaker 3: All Blacks again. I think you'd see that as somewhat

584
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Speaker 3: of a challenge in many ways. I think we've done roussalo, Greg,

585
00:32:07,707 --> 00:32:07,987
Speaker 3: how are.

586
00:32:07,947 --> 00:32:10,467
Speaker 19: You today's finny herself?

587
00:32:10,987 --> 00:32:11,187
Speaker 4: Yeah?

588
00:32:11,267 --> 00:32:13,707
Speaker 3: Good, Greg, thanks very good.

589
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Speaker 19: Lots of lots of points being covered this afternoon.

590
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Speaker 3: Absolutely yeah. What's your what's your view on where we

591
00:32:20,867 --> 00:32:21,307
Speaker 3: go from here?

592
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Speaker 19: Greek? I'm not really sure, but I do definitely think

593
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Speaker 19: that we need to get a international coach with international experience.

594
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Speaker 19: So Jamie Jamie Joseph had a little bit and I

595
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Speaker 19: think if Tony Brain Brown was asked, would he like

596
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Speaker 19: to come back, I think he'd definitely say yes. But

597
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Speaker 19: if he doesn't, how does the Jamie Joseph coaching panels work.

598
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Speaker 19: I'd be happy to see him. I don't know who

599
00:32:50,187 --> 00:32:54,227
Speaker 19: it would be, but an international coach of non New

600
00:32:54,307 --> 00:32:58,347
Speaker 19: Zealand if if the seal if that's the right word.

601
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Speaker 19: But I just think that we need somebody who can

602
00:33:03,027 --> 00:33:07,467
Speaker 19: communicate and I think that the previous coach didn't communicate

603
00:33:07,587 --> 00:33:10,707
Speaker 19: with his players all with the New Zealand public. I think,

604
00:33:10,947 --> 00:33:13,107
Speaker 19: you know, you need to get buy in from the public,

605
00:33:13,147 --> 00:33:16,267
Speaker 19: and you may have got by and from the lower

606
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Speaker 19: or the middle of South Island, but I don't think

607
00:33:18,347 --> 00:33:22,027
Speaker 19: the rest of New Zealand really board into the structure

608
00:33:22,027 --> 00:33:23,747
Speaker 19: and everything that we had. I think we could all

609
00:33:23,787 --> 00:33:29,507
Speaker 19: see that well, it wasn't working. And I really liked

610
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Speaker 19: the comment from the guy who was talking about David

611
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Speaker 19: Kirk David Kirks has got big kahunahs and you know

612
00:33:36,587 --> 00:33:38,067
Speaker 19: he'll make the tough call.

613
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Speaker 3: Yeah. I think I think David Kirks come out of

614
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Speaker 3: this really well. Greg. I agree. I think the way

615
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Speaker 3: he fronted the media the other day as well, and

616
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Speaker 3: the way he answered questions clearly concisely, no waffle, no

617
00:33:50,267 --> 00:33:53,507
Speaker 3: dancing around the issues, and clearly shone a light on

618
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Speaker 3: the All Blacks. You know, ran a robust, comprehensive review

619
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Speaker 3: and then looked at that the trajectory of the site

620
00:34:02,867 --> 00:34:05,747
Speaker 3: and whether they were on track, decided they weren't and

621
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Speaker 3: decided to make the change. I think that's a huge

622
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Speaker 3: feather in his cap. I think David Kirk provided extremely

623
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Speaker 3: strong leadership around this whole thing. Thanks, Greg, appreciate it.

624
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Speaker 3: on Sky Sport Jeff Wilson, Jeff, thanks for taking the

631
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Speaker 3: time a bit of breathing room since this news dropped.

632
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Speaker 3: Were you surprised though when you heard the news on Thursday.

633
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Speaker 20: Look, clearly a lot of work had been done behind

634
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Speaker 20: the scenes by New Zealand, Rake mean, in terms of

635
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Speaker 20: gathering information. I was, well, I'm truly aware a thorough

636
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Speaker 20: review was going on, and with the rumblings that we'd

637
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Speaker 20: heard late last year, I think I actually wasn't that

638
00:34:53,907 --> 00:34:57,467
Speaker 20: surprised that David Kirk and the board ended up coming

639
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Speaker 20: to this decision. And that's not a base of the

640
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Speaker 20: information and what I had seen. It's just the fact,

641
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Speaker 20: you just know, sometimes when the smokers fire, and there

642
00:35:07,147 --> 00:35:09,507
Speaker 20: was clearly that in this case, and it was a

643
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Speaker 20: simple situation. And whether or not they felt they could

644
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Speaker 20: turn it around in a short period of time before

645
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Speaker 20: an important order South Africa and an upcoming Rugby World Cup,

646
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Speaker 20: and this is to me that they need to change

647
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Speaker 20: and they've got.

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Speaker 3: It, So this is the right call in your view,

649
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Speaker 3: I think absolutely.

650
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Speaker 20: I think there's some things that I know Scott Robinson,

651
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Speaker 20: you know, he deserves a lot of credit for in

652
00:35:32,907 --> 00:35:34,507
Speaker 20: regards to the fact there were a lot of challenges

653
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Speaker 20: along the way. There always are, as all black coaches,

654
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Speaker 20: but this last couple of years, this team really never

655
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Speaker 20: gained any momentum. There was always performance, which performances was

656
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Speaker 20: gave you doubt about the direction of the team we're heading,

657
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Speaker 20: and you know, there was certainly uncertainty in the group.

658
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Speaker 20: They looked unsettled they didn't play with a great deal

659
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Speaker 20: of confidence on a consistent basis, So unfortunately a lot

660
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Speaker 20: of that responsibility falls on the head coach. And you know,

661
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Speaker 20: he's not a bad rugby coach. I've said that in

662
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Speaker 20: the last couple of days. It just hasn't worked out

663
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Speaker 20: group of people and this team of players, and it

664
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Speaker 20: was time to look forward and look forward with somebody else.

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Speaker 3: What effect, Jeff, will this coaching change when it does happen,

666
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Speaker 3: and we'll talk about who might take the job shortly,

667
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Speaker 3: What effect will a coaching change have on the playing group.

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Speaker 20: It's really interesting because clarity has been a word that's

669
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Speaker 20: been used a lot over the last couple of years

670
00:36:28,467 --> 00:36:31,067
Speaker 20: and since this decision has been made about the fact

671
00:36:31,067 --> 00:36:33,627
Speaker 20: that clearly this was an issue inside the group. They

672
00:36:33,627 --> 00:36:36,227
Speaker 20: weren't really clear on the direction that they were going

673
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Speaker 20: as a team on and off the field. And you know,

674
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Speaker 20: that probably comes down to you need really clear and

675
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Speaker 20: accurate communication and it starts with your head coach. And

676
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Speaker 20: all the great head coaches have had that that ability

677
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Speaker 20: to communicate and connect people. And there's no doubt he

678
00:36:50,827 --> 00:36:53,867
Speaker 20: had a deep care. He talked about care a lot.

679
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Speaker 20: Scott Robinson for this team and the All Backs, and

680
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Speaker 20: you know, I think respectfully, you know, it appears as

681
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Speaker 20: that he just never was able to connect this group,

682
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Speaker 20: to get them all heading into one direction. So for me,

683
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Speaker 20: communication and it's absolutely critical. The other part of that

684
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Speaker 20: combinement is clear leadership, and we've now got that, and

685
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Speaker 20: someone would like David Kirk who's taken over. I've been

686
00:37:14,867 --> 00:37:18,907
Speaker 20: really impressed about how they've made this decision, the steps

687
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Speaker 20: have taken to get the information and to have former

688
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Speaker 20: All Blacks with great experience doing and being part of

689
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Speaker 20: a review, who have driven and understand what a winning

690
00:37:29,027 --> 00:37:34,587
Speaker 20: culture should and look should look like. I'm really satisfied

691
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Speaker 20: that we'll now get the right person who can take

692
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Speaker 20: this team forward.

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Speaker 3: On your point about communication and players needing clarity, can

694
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Speaker 3: there sometimes be and I'm not suggesting that was necessarily

695
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Speaker 3: the case there, but can there sometimes be too many

696
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Speaker 3: voices and players.

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Speaker 20: Is Yeah, there's no doubt that can be a case.

698
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Speaker 20: But I think you know nowadays and I think.

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Speaker 17: This is clearly how the world.

700
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Speaker 20: Support has changed, and players have a lot of influence,

701
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Speaker 20: and as they should because they're actually the people out

702
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Speaker 20: there having to deliver on the state and you have

703
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Speaker 20: to take them a lot for the right. You have

704
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Speaker 20: to have them see the vision and believe in the vision,

705
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Speaker 20: but also you have to give them a voice, and

706
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Speaker 20: it just feels as though that was just a little

707
00:38:16,667 --> 00:38:20,107
Speaker 20: bit fractured. But also, you know, as a collective, whether

708
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Speaker 20: it be the management, the coaching staff, all of the players,

709
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Speaker 20: you know. I think New Zealand rape went down a

710
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Speaker 20: path for me that I think lost a little bit

711
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Speaker 20: of its balance as they were trying to go into

712
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Speaker 20: a new world rather than leaning on some of the

713
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Speaker 20: great successes in the past that we've had in recent

714
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Speaker 20: years and getting the balance right as that transition sort

715
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Speaker 20: of happened through them, I think they just went a

716
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Speaker 20: little bit too far and they lost that in regards

717
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Speaker 20: to keeping that player coach management relationship strong.

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Speaker 3: Is Jamie Joseph the most obvious successor for Scott Robertson.

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Speaker 20: I think he is for a number of reasons, and

720
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Speaker 20: hopefully they can get to that conclusion quickly because there's

721
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Speaker 20: a lot of pressure that's going to be on this

722
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Speaker 20: season and there'll be a lot of organization that needs

723
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Speaker 20: to be done. But there are I think very few

724
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Speaker 20: candidates who are in a position immediately to take the job,

725
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Speaker 20: and also who are qualified to take the job. And

726
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Speaker 20: I think Jamie's record as an inter national coach and

727
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Speaker 20: experience as a coach and understanding New Zealand rugby and

728
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Speaker 20: the international game, if he's able to get the team

729
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Speaker 20: of people, and I emphasize this, the team that he wants,

730
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Speaker 20: the coaches that he wants, the coaches he believes in,

731
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Speaker 20: and that may include some of the current coaches. I

732
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Speaker 20: don't know that, but I think that's the important part

733
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Speaker 20: for me, is that if Jamie's able to put together

734
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Speaker 20: a team of people, and you know, there are maybe

735
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Speaker 20: other people who come into the conversation, but now I

736
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Speaker 20: know Joe Schmi's committed to Australia until the middle of

737
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Speaker 20: the year. Other coaches around the world are committed contractually.

738
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Speaker 20: Where does Tony Brown st right now? But for me,

739
00:39:52,427 --> 00:39:55,267
Speaker 20: the logical choice and I think a great choice. The

740
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Speaker 20: guy who went head to head with Scott Robinson and

741
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Speaker 20: my understanding got close last time. Jamie Joseph is the

742
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Speaker 20: obvious man.

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Speaker 3: All right, We'll wait to see what happens there. Just

744
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Speaker 3: to finish, YEF, what do you predict for Scott Robertson? Now?

745
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Speaker 20: Oh, look, he's a here, he could rugby coach. There'll

746
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Speaker 20: be opportunities around the world for him, whether it's as

747
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Speaker 20: a head coach and at another club at an international level.

748
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Speaker 20: He'll find his place. I hope he does. I'm sure

749
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Speaker 20: he will, and you know he'll go on to have

750
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Speaker 20: a very successful one coaching rugby career, which he's had

751
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Speaker 20: to date already. Like you say, let's let's take this

752
00:40:31,707 --> 00:40:33,827
Speaker 20: last couple of years in isolation. In fact, it just

753
00:40:33,867 --> 00:40:36,587
Speaker 20: hasn't worked out for him, and there'll be other opportunities.

754
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Speaker 3: Thanks for your insight as always, Jeff, always great catching up,

755
00:40:39,347 --> 00:40:41,707
Speaker 3: always a pleasure, Thanks mate. That as Jeff Wilson, former

756
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Speaker 3: or Black of course and host on The Breakdown on

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Speaker 3: Sky Sport seven to one News TALKSB.

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Speaker 1: When it's down to the line, you made a call

759
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Speaker 1: on eighty Weekend Sports with Jason Hine News TALKSBB.

760
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Speaker 3: Four to one. More were on this after one o'clock

761
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Speaker 3: leam nape. You're going to join us. It was his

762
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Speaker 3: story that started the ball rolling on Wednesday when he

763
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Speaker 3: reported the ferocity with which the review had had been scathing,

764
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Speaker 3: which you know obviously led into what happened on Thursday.

765
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Speaker 3: Tana Umanger, Richie McCaw, Dan Carter, Joe shmitd, Leo McDonald,

766
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Speaker 3: Jamie Joseph Dave, Rennie, Tony Brown, Verncotta and Dan Noline

767
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Speaker 3: Totoa have all been suggested as possible all Black's head coaches.

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Speaker 1: It's the only place to discuss the biggest sports issues

769
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Speaker 1: on and afterfield. It's all on Wi James Forward with

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Speaker 1: Jason Vaide on your home of sport Us Talks.

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Speaker 3: One oh seven. Welcome into the show, Welcome back to

772
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Speaker 3: the show. This is weekend Sport on News Talks. He'd

773
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Speaker 3: be on Jason Pie with Ana McDonald running the cutter

774
00:41:45,427 --> 00:41:47,987
Speaker 3: here till three, gonna pap it away from the rugby

775
00:41:48,187 --> 00:41:51,427
Speaker 3: after two, got a bit to take in. Actually, it's

776
00:41:51,547 --> 00:41:55,267
Speaker 3: finals day at the ASB Tennis Classic, with the men's

777
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Speaker 3: final this afternoon. Michael Venus is going to preview that

778
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Speaker 3: for us. The new Oceania Pro League is upon us.

779
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Speaker 3: This is football of course, Roy Krishna on that and

780
00:42:07,827 --> 00:42:11,827
Speaker 3: with the track and field season heating up and the

781
00:42:11,867 --> 00:42:16,707
Speaker 3: Pots Classic on today, we'll get you inside the minds

782
00:42:16,747 --> 00:42:20,347
Speaker 3: of one of the key competitors there too. Are going

783
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Speaker 3: to talk more rugby though this hour and Adam Peacock

784
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Speaker 3: from across the Tasman What do the Australians make of

785
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Speaker 3: all this? Just on views from outside as well. Tomorrow

786
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Speaker 3: are going to chat to the journalists who actually broke

787
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Speaker 3: this story. The first one to report that Scott Robertson

788
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Speaker 3: will be going was an Irish journalist by the name

789
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Speaker 3: of Rory O'Connor from twelve thousand miles away. He pieced

790
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Speaker 3: the story together, largely off the back of course of

791
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Speaker 3: Liam Napier's Peace on Wednesday and the Herald, but he

792
00:42:50,427 --> 00:42:52,627
Speaker 3: was the one who pieced it all together. So we're

793
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Speaker 3: going to chat to him tomorrow about that, but also

794
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Speaker 3: about how this has been reacted to in the North.

795
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Speaker 3: Quite like to get to South Africa as well to

796
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Speaker 3: find out their view, so you will widen out the

797
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Speaker 3: discussion tomorrow when we head to Ireland and to South Africa.

798
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Speaker 3: The first story though in this new cycle, as mentioned,

799
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Speaker 3: landed on Wednesday afternoon in The Herald, courtesy of Liam Napier,

800
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Speaker 3: who joins us now. Liam, your story revealed a scathing

801
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Speaker 3: internal review at the end of last year, how deep

802
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Speaker 3: in your understanding was the dissatisfaction in the All Blacks

803
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Speaker 3: playing group that was revealed in that.

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Speaker 21: Review Afternoon Piney.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 22: My understanding is that it was widespreads and not confined

807
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Speaker 22: to one or two players, and it's some of the

808
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Speaker 22: most stinging feedback came from a number of senior players.

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Speaker 22: You know, guys that have played one hundred Tests, been

810
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Speaker 22: around a long time, experienced the highs and lows of

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Speaker 22: Test football, and they effectively weren't getting what they wanted.

812
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Speaker 22: And you can have bad years and Test rugby, and

813
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Speaker 22: you can have bad weeks, but I think this had

814
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Speaker 22: steadily built the frustration over the two year tenure score

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Speaker 22: Robinson's two year tenure, and I think that that feedback

816
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Speaker 22: certainly came through loud and clear Forinizella Rugby.

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Speaker 3: What were the main areas of specific concern do you think.

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Speaker 21: Well, there are a number. I think communication was one. Trust.

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Speaker 22: There were grumbles about selection, which I think there are

820
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Speaker 22: in any team.

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Speaker 21: You're always going to have to satisfy players who are.

822
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Speaker 22: Potentially not getting picked or not getting picked as often

823
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Speaker 22: as I'd like, but also things around strategy.

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Speaker 21: The culture within that environment was not happy.

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Speaker 22: A number of players were just really frustrated with how

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Speaker 22: things were being run. I think from my understanding of

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Speaker 22: previous regimes, all black regimes, the players were empowered to

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Speaker 22: speak about things, whether that be defense or attack, where

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Speaker 22: I've heard that in this scenario, particularly after losses, the

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Speaker 22: coaches would take more on themselves and they would talk more,

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Speaker 22: and there would certainly be a heightened sense of tension

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Speaker 22: among that environments, and so the players probably didn't like

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Speaker 22: they were empowered to the same degree that they have

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Speaker 22: been previously. So that was one, I guess change from

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Speaker 22: from previous regimes, but it was just one of one

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Speaker 22: of many sort of festering issues that ultimately these Arabia

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Speaker 22: determines that coaching group and playing group could could not

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Speaker 22: get past.

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Speaker 3: There's been a lot of talk about the spread of

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Speaker 3: responsibility within the the coaching staff and the fact that

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Speaker 3: you know, whether it's been correctly reported or not, and

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Speaker 3: I can only presume that it has that Scott Hansen

843
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Speaker 3: was taking a lot of the what we would what

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Speaker 3: we would regard as the head coaching responsibility, whereas the

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Speaker 3: likes of what we're Scott Robertson was was the culture coaches.

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Speaker 3: He put it, is this something that you've heard as well?

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Speaker 3: Is it is it? Is it a factor in this

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Speaker 3: whole thing.

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Speaker 21: I think it's unique to a degree.

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Speaker 22: I think in the modern coaching environment it has evolved

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00:46:03,747 --> 00:46:07,267
Speaker 22: a lot over time and every head coach, which is different.

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Speaker 22: Every head coach goes about things their own way and

853
00:46:10,747 --> 00:46:14,587
Speaker 22: to how of it have a helicopter type coach sitting

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00:46:14,627 --> 00:46:17,067
Speaker 22: off over the top of an environment over arching is

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Speaker 22: not uncommon. But I think from what I can gather

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Speaker 22: and certainly what's been reported Scott Hansen delivered was delivered

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Speaker 22: a lot of the detail of that environment. So maybe

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Speaker 22: he was a traditional head coach in that sense, where

859
00:46:33,427 --> 00:46:39,987
Speaker 22: Scott Robinson was big on theming on player relationships, like

860
00:46:40,227 --> 00:46:45,267
Speaker 22: the Grand Slam Tour was thems, you know, taking the

861
00:46:45,347 --> 00:46:49,747
Speaker 22: Kingdom and this has worked really well at Super rugby

862
00:46:49,787 --> 00:46:52,507
Speaker 22: for him. Of course, seven Straights titles with the Crusaders.

863
00:46:53,307 --> 00:46:56,507
Speaker 22: They had themes when they won their first title in

864
00:46:56,547 --> 00:46:58,907
Speaker 22: South Africa around Muhammad Ali and the Rumber and the

865
00:46:58,987 --> 00:47:02,707
Speaker 22: Jungle and various others around theming a campaign that worked

866
00:47:02,707 --> 00:47:05,587
Speaker 22: really well with the Crusaders. But I don't think that

867
00:47:05,707 --> 00:47:08,547
Speaker 22: stuck or is needed within the All Blacks environment, and

868
00:47:08,587 --> 00:47:09,187
Speaker 22: it is very.

869
00:47:09,067 --> 00:47:11,027
Speaker 21: Different test football week to week.

870
00:47:11,467 --> 00:47:14,587
Speaker 22: The pressures the athletes that you're deal dealing with the

871
00:47:14,627 --> 00:47:18,947
Speaker 22: type of rugby is very different, and so that coaching

872
00:47:18,987 --> 00:47:23,267
Speaker 22: setup was not working and we saw that, didn't we

873
00:47:23,267 --> 00:47:26,947
Speaker 22: with two assistant coaches leaving, And no matter what's been

874
00:47:26,987 --> 00:47:29,627
Speaker 22: said about that, that's the All Blacks is a dream environment.

875
00:47:29,707 --> 00:47:33,667
Speaker 22: You don't walk away from that unless something's not quite right.

876
00:47:34,547 --> 00:47:38,947
Speaker 22: Baron McDonald and Jason Hollins had a vision I think,

877
00:47:39,027 --> 00:47:43,467
Speaker 22: for how their roles would run and that didn't work out.

878
00:47:43,507 --> 00:47:45,627
Speaker 22: So you're a number of red flags I guess that

879
00:47:45,747 --> 00:47:49,387
Speaker 22: have cropped up even prior to this player review, but

880
00:47:49,427 --> 00:47:52,067
Speaker 22: it is precedented, Piney, I don't think we've had an

881
00:47:52,107 --> 00:47:55,427
Speaker 22: All Blacks coach be moved on mid World Cup cycle,

882
00:47:55,547 --> 00:47:57,907
Speaker 22: so very interesting to see where it goes now.

883
00:47:58,067 --> 00:48:01,707
Speaker 3: Indeed, you also reported that Ardie Savia and others were

884
00:48:02,107 --> 00:48:05,587
Speaker 3: considering their All Black's futures. Was there a genuine risk

885
00:48:06,027 --> 00:48:09,507
Speaker 3: that the likes of Artie Savan maybe others wouldn't play

886
00:48:09,547 --> 00:48:12,627
Speaker 3: for the All Blacks if no change was made in

887
00:48:12,707 --> 00:48:13,707
Speaker 3: the coaching structure.

888
00:48:15,187 --> 00:48:16,947
Speaker 22: Well, I know for a fact that Ardie was one

889
00:48:16,947 --> 00:48:20,267
Speaker 22: player he's certainly not alone that was very unhappy and

890
00:48:21,907 --> 00:48:26,387
Speaker 22: has been exploring his options offshore in Japan and in Europe.

891
00:48:27,427 --> 00:48:31,147
Speaker 22: New Zealand Rugby has adamant that he has contracted until

892
00:48:31,147 --> 00:48:33,787
Speaker 22: twenty twenty seven and that he will be returning home.

893
00:48:34,507 --> 00:48:37,187
Speaker 22: But I think he's one of many players that was

894
00:48:37,267 --> 00:48:41,547
Speaker 22: very dissatisfied and made their voices very clear collectively that

895
00:48:42,307 --> 00:48:46,587
Speaker 22: unless coaching changes were made or serious shifts made, that

896
00:48:46,947 --> 00:48:50,267
Speaker 22: they were going to be very unhappy. So I think

897
00:48:50,307 --> 00:48:55,147
Speaker 22: there was a risk that players would be reluctant to

898
00:48:55,147 --> 00:48:57,347
Speaker 22: play for this coaching team, and we saw that even

899
00:48:57,387 --> 00:48:59,707
Speaker 22: outside the All Blacks group. There was one senior Blues

900
00:48:59,707 --> 00:49:01,587
Speaker 22: player who was asked in the final week of the

901
00:49:01,867 --> 00:49:05,947
Speaker 22: All Blacks tenure year sorry in Cardiff, to go from

902
00:49:05,947 --> 00:49:08,547
Speaker 22: the All Black fifteen into the All Blacks, and he

903
00:49:08,627 --> 00:49:11,707
Speaker 22: declined because he didn't want to play for Scott Robertson.

904
00:49:11,747 --> 00:49:15,707
Speaker 22: So it's not Artie Severe alone, but he was certainly

905
00:49:16,027 --> 00:49:17,987
Speaker 22: one player that was unhappy.

906
00:49:18,707 --> 00:49:21,867
Speaker 3: Such interesting times, great reporting as always from you, Liam.

907
00:49:21,867 --> 00:49:23,707
Speaker 3: Thanks for backing it up with a chat this afternoon.

908
00:49:23,707 --> 00:49:24,827
Speaker 3: We'll catch up again soon, no.

909
00:49:24,787 --> 00:49:27,347
Speaker 21: Doubt, no worries, Pinny, take it easy, You take.

910
00:49:27,227 --> 00:49:29,707
Speaker 3: It easy to Liam. Thanks indeed, Liam Napier from the

911
00:49:29,707 --> 00:49:33,227
Speaker 3: New Zealand Herald, so Wednesday, his piece appeared and then

912
00:49:33,347 --> 00:49:37,227
Speaker 3: it all kind of spiraled from there. It is one fifteen.

913
00:49:37,267 --> 00:49:38,787
Speaker 3: We're going to move away from the rugby in the

914
00:49:38,787 --> 00:49:40,987
Speaker 3: next half hour or so, but let's open the lines

915
00:49:41,027 --> 00:49:43,347
Speaker 3: again because not everybody was able to get on the

916
00:49:43,387 --> 00:49:45,947
Speaker 3: air last hour. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

917
00:49:45,987 --> 00:49:47,827
Speaker 3: if you want to give it a crack nine two

918
00:49:47,907 --> 00:49:51,107
Speaker 3: ninety two Jason on text, this one says, hopefully you've

919
00:49:51,147 --> 00:49:54,347
Speaker 3: reflected on your dinosaur comments pre Christmas, your adamant razor

920
00:49:54,387 --> 00:49:58,187
Speaker 3: wouldn't be replaced. Don't become a dinosaur, suggest changing your

921
00:49:58,227 --> 00:50:03,467
Speaker 3: paradigm to possibility, thinking you'll become refreshed. What a great text. Yeah,

922
00:50:03,507 --> 00:50:06,147
Speaker 3: I was wrong with that. I honestly thought they wouldn't

923
00:50:06,187 --> 00:50:09,827
Speaker 3: make it change based on the inherently conservative night Jet

924
00:50:10,227 --> 00:50:13,147
Speaker 3: of New Zealand Rugby historically in these madness, but David

925
00:50:13,467 --> 00:50:17,107
Speaker 3: displayed I guess what this takes the wood Cole possibility thinking.

926
00:50:18,867 --> 00:50:20,947
Speaker 3: Thanks very much in Dave for attacking the tom to

927
00:50:21,067 --> 00:50:24,667
Speaker 3: seeing your thoughts through. Hello Greg, Oh hey Jason, how

928
00:50:24,707 --> 00:50:27,067
Speaker 3: are you going good? Great? Good? Thanks good.

929
00:50:27,187 --> 00:50:29,147
Speaker 23: First, I am coming at this as kind of a

930
00:50:29,187 --> 00:50:32,387
Speaker 23: Scott Robertson fan, however, I won't agree with the way

931
00:50:32,427 --> 00:50:34,267
Speaker 23: he was hired in the first place, and you know

932
00:50:34,347 --> 00:50:38,067
Speaker 23: that shambo between him and Foster. No, it's definitely the

933
00:50:38,107 --> 00:50:42,227
Speaker 23: wrong approtinent and it just got off to the wrong foot.

934
00:50:42,547 --> 00:50:44,827
Speaker 23: I'm as you just said, I'm kind of shocked that

935
00:50:44,827 --> 00:50:48,587
Speaker 23: they did this midstream in the World Cup. As far

936
00:50:48,627 --> 00:50:51,107
Speaker 23: as new coaches, I definitely agree. If they can get

937
00:50:51,587 --> 00:50:54,547
Speaker 23: Tony Brown and Jamie Joseph together, that would be fantastic.

938
00:50:54,587 --> 00:50:56,307
Speaker 23: I just don't know if he can get Tony Brown.

939
00:50:56,627 --> 00:50:58,267
Speaker 23: The only other one I was going to throw out

940
00:50:58,267 --> 00:51:00,787
Speaker 23: there was actually Warren Gatlin. He may have just picked

941
00:51:00,827 --> 00:51:04,267
Speaker 23: up a job in Japan, but you know, it might

942
00:51:04,307 --> 00:51:07,307
Speaker 23: be interesting to see what he could do with other horses,

943
00:51:07,547 --> 00:51:11,667
Speaker 23: you know, uh in the mix these days, rather than

944
00:51:12,107 --> 00:51:13,987
Speaker 23: get a bad situation when he was going out of

945
00:51:13,987 --> 00:51:16,987
Speaker 23: Wales and what do you think about that?

946
00:51:18,827 --> 00:51:20,907
Speaker 3: Well, look he's got he takes a couple of boxes

947
00:51:21,027 --> 00:51:24,187
Speaker 3: ky Wait, which is a good start. Former role Black

948
00:51:24,267 --> 00:51:29,507
Speaker 3: himself International Experience Asia side O'Connor went down hill spiral

949
00:51:29,587 --> 00:51:31,187
Speaker 3: a bit of the end, didn't it, But it was

950
00:51:31,227 --> 00:51:35,987
Speaker 3: he touched the British and Irish lawns. Yeah, look, yeah, it.

951
00:51:35,907 --> 00:51:38,107
Speaker 23: Sounds a lot, like you know New Zealand rug deal

952
00:51:38,187 --> 00:51:40,707
Speaker 23: with years, but that's a different story. I still can't

953
00:51:40,707 --> 00:51:43,907
Speaker 23: believe that the decision was made down when they literally

954
00:51:43,987 --> 00:51:46,627
Speaker 23: don't have anybody in the c suite. May they'd get

955
00:51:46,627 --> 00:51:50,347
Speaker 23: the board, but no executives, right, I also have to

956
00:51:50,387 --> 00:51:52,307
Speaker 23: be sweeted out and then you know, you get him

957
00:51:52,707 --> 00:51:54,867
Speaker 23: some chief executive in there and said, well, it's not

958
00:51:54,907 --> 00:51:56,387
Speaker 23: the coach I picked, or you don't want to get

959
00:51:56,387 --> 00:52:00,147
Speaker 23: into that either. The only other thing, you know, you know,

960
00:52:00,307 --> 00:52:03,667
Speaker 23: Liam and possibly yourself would have a hint on this

961
00:52:03,747 --> 00:52:05,707
Speaker 23: is I really you know, we'll never know, but I

962
00:52:05,827 --> 00:52:09,347
Speaker 23: really like to know if this split you know, the

963
00:52:09,627 --> 00:52:13,947
Speaker 23: players who were unhappy. Is it crusados versus everybody else

964
00:52:13,987 --> 00:52:17,067
Speaker 23: type of thing, or you know, if anybody ever gets

965
00:52:17,067 --> 00:52:18,707
Speaker 23: a wear of that, because you know, you say, okay,

966
00:52:19,347 --> 00:52:21,347
Speaker 23: I'm not putting anything on already, because this guy is

967
00:52:21,387 --> 00:52:23,547
Speaker 23: heart and soul of the All Black team. But you know,

968
00:52:23,947 --> 00:52:26,267
Speaker 23: the rumor is he may not have wanted the plague

969
00:52:26,667 --> 00:52:28,227
Speaker 23: in the next couple of years or come back to

970
00:52:28,267 --> 00:52:30,147
Speaker 23: the World Cup. Well, I don't know, as anybody talked

971
00:52:30,187 --> 00:52:32,547
Speaker 23: to Richard Molonga and that's whom if he wants to

972
00:52:32,547 --> 00:52:34,027
Speaker 23: play for anybody other than Razor.

973
00:52:34,427 --> 00:52:38,267
Speaker 3: You know, I'm sure, but yeah, I was driving crazy

974
00:52:38,787 --> 00:52:40,787
Speaker 3: answered questions. Greg You're right, And I think it's easy

975
00:52:40,787 --> 00:52:42,547
Speaker 3: to jump to that conclusion. Isn't it that those in

976
00:52:42,627 --> 00:52:45,187
Speaker 3: the all Blacks who have you know, who have red

977
00:52:45,227 --> 00:52:48,707
Speaker 3: and black blood and who had played under Razor successfully

978
00:52:48,747 --> 00:52:51,627
Speaker 3: for sol long with the Crusaders would automatically be on

979
00:52:51,707 --> 00:52:55,227
Speaker 3: his side, and those who hadn't had that experience would

980
00:52:55,267 --> 00:52:58,387
Speaker 3: perhaps form, you know, an opposite click. But as I

981
00:52:58,427 --> 00:53:00,547
Speaker 3: understand it, and Gregor Paul's written a great follow up

982
00:53:00,587 --> 00:53:03,387
Speaker 3: piece in the Herald this morning that all of the

983
00:53:04,907 --> 00:53:07,867
Speaker 3: findings of the investigations, scathing as they may have been,

984
00:53:08,347 --> 00:53:11,547
Speaker 3: were fact based. They were asked, you know, factual questions,

985
00:53:11,747 --> 00:53:13,947
Speaker 3: and David Kirk, as I understand it was a big

986
00:53:13,987 --> 00:53:16,387
Speaker 3: part of driving this to really to to sort of,

987
00:53:16,507 --> 00:53:20,027
Speaker 3: you know, forget about all the background allegiances and the

988
00:53:20,227 --> 00:53:22,347
Speaker 3: and the scuttle but and the and the innuendo and

989
00:53:22,387 --> 00:53:25,147
Speaker 3: the rumor and so what are the issues here? And

990
00:53:25,467 --> 00:53:27,187
Speaker 3: are we here? Are we on the right track? Is

991
00:53:27,227 --> 00:53:29,947
Speaker 3: the trajectory right? We'll never know, Greg, Yes, sir, right,

992
00:53:29,907 --> 00:53:34,067
Speaker 3: we'll ever know who said what about Who's Yeah, there's some.

993
00:53:33,987 --> 00:53:36,187
Speaker 23: Things you know that people are speculating, Oh, you know

994
00:53:36,227 --> 00:53:38,267
Speaker 23: there's issues with the selections and things like that. Well,

995
00:53:38,267 --> 00:53:39,307
Speaker 23: it's two years off.

996
00:53:39,187 --> 00:53:39,947
Speaker 13: From a World Cup.

997
00:53:39,987 --> 00:53:41,867
Speaker 23: You're going to train and get as many people into

998
00:53:41,907 --> 00:53:44,067
Speaker 23: the mix as you can. And when you look between

999
00:53:44,067 --> 00:53:45,867
Speaker 23: the injuries and the people who came in, you know,

1000
00:53:46,427 --> 00:53:50,587
Speaker 23: loose forwards wings, some of the forwards. You know, he

1001
00:53:51,027 --> 00:53:53,667
Speaker 23: mixed in a lot of people that doesn't necessarily help

1002
00:53:53,707 --> 00:53:56,627
Speaker 23: to make things. Some of it because he had to,

1003
00:53:57,187 --> 00:53:59,347
Speaker 23: some of it because he's looking like that's going forward.

1004
00:54:00,987 --> 00:54:03,267
Speaker 23: So yeah, I wish we could get a little bit

1005
00:54:03,267 --> 00:54:05,587
Speaker 23: more a depth in detail. Maybe we never will, but

1006
00:54:06,187 --> 00:54:07,947
Speaker 23: we to make some good decisions going forward.

1007
00:54:08,347 --> 00:54:10,427
Speaker 3: Yeah, Hey, great thoughts, Greg. Thanks for calling through, mate,

1008
00:54:10,427 --> 00:54:13,107
Speaker 3: please call again. Of enjoyed chatting to you. I think

1009
00:54:13,147 --> 00:54:15,227
Speaker 3: we all agreed with when when Scott Robinson said he

1010
00:54:15,267 --> 00:54:19,227
Speaker 3: was building depth, you know, four deep across four years

1011
00:54:19,587 --> 00:54:21,747
Speaker 3: to win a fourth World Cup. We all liked the

1012
00:54:21,787 --> 00:54:23,787
Speaker 3: idea of depth being built in the All Black study.

1013
00:54:23,827 --> 00:54:26,427
Speaker 3: One of the biggest criticisms of any sports team as

1014
00:54:26,427 --> 00:54:28,867
Speaker 3: are you're keeping the same guys in there for too long?

1015
00:54:29,827 --> 00:54:32,427
Speaker 3: Scott Robinson brought a lot of new players on board

1016
00:54:33,107 --> 00:54:35,227
Speaker 3: he was a little bit conservative in his selections from

1017
00:54:35,267 --> 00:54:37,227
Speaker 3: game to game, but he gave a lot of guys

1018
00:54:37,467 --> 00:54:41,507
Speaker 3: an opportunity. I don't think he can be accused of

1019
00:54:41,027 --> 00:54:44,547
Speaker 3: of not trying to build depth. It was a stated

1020
00:54:44,587 --> 00:54:48,387
Speaker 3: aim of his to do that. Appreciate your call, Greek,

1021
00:54:48,387 --> 00:54:51,027
Speaker 3: Thanks and Dave. Hello, Peter good Piney.

1022
00:54:52,387 --> 00:54:58,267
Speaker 7: After listening to all the feedback from days gone, I

1023
00:54:58,267 --> 00:55:01,227
Speaker 7: would like to see something a little bit different. A

1024
00:55:01,427 --> 00:55:06,707
Speaker 7: manager being appointed in the hit position with KPIs and

1025
00:55:06,747 --> 00:55:09,827
Speaker 7: again he can bring on the best coaching group that

1026
00:55:10,267 --> 00:55:14,587
Speaker 7: he can. I mean, that's available again with KPIs, driven

1027
00:55:14,747 --> 00:55:19,507
Speaker 7: from the vision that he wants. And you know it's

1028
00:55:19,507 --> 00:55:22,907
Speaker 7: successful in soccer, why can't it be successful in rugby.

1029
00:55:23,227 --> 00:55:25,347
Speaker 3: Well, I think that's exactly what I think. That's exactly

1030
00:55:25,387 --> 00:55:28,387
Speaker 3: how Razor styled himself though, Peter, I think that's exactly

1031
00:55:28,427 --> 00:55:31,427
Speaker 3: what he envisioned. What he would be more like the

1032
00:55:31,467 --> 00:55:35,187
Speaker 3: old style football manager, a strategist, someone who sat above

1033
00:55:35,627 --> 00:55:40,187
Speaker 3: the actual coaches and oversaw it in a strategic sense.

1034
00:55:40,627 --> 00:55:43,547
Speaker 3: But clearly that did not resonate with this group of players.

1035
00:55:44,027 --> 00:55:47,267
Speaker 7: No, but it also doesn't didn't resonate with the coaches

1036
00:55:47,347 --> 00:55:51,147
Speaker 7: under him. For Leon McDonald leaving Jason Ryan and the

1037
00:55:51,347 --> 00:55:54,507
Speaker 7: likes that, you know, the players saying there's a different

1038
00:55:54,547 --> 00:55:58,987
Speaker 7: message been across. So you still you know, was raised

1039
00:55:59,147 --> 00:56:01,787
Speaker 7: right to go year one hundred percent. I think it

1040
00:56:01,867 --> 00:56:04,387
Speaker 7: was tied good on David Kirkford doing it. But it

1041
00:56:04,587 --> 00:56:08,867
Speaker 7: just seems to be where we're not managing a business.

1042
00:56:08,907 --> 00:56:12,987
Speaker 7: We're managing a sport that we all know has won

1043
00:56:13,027 --> 00:56:18,147
Speaker 7: in New Zealand's biggest businesses and it stands on the

1044
00:56:18,707 --> 00:56:22,307
Speaker 7: stands from the top down. And hope Turkey can bring

1045
00:56:22,347 --> 00:56:25,227
Speaker 7: it around, but I just I think it can be

1046
00:56:25,307 --> 00:56:29,987
Speaker 7: a drill a drill role that will work. You know,

1047
00:56:30,067 --> 00:56:32,267
Speaker 7: there needs you know, you said in the NFL with

1048
00:56:32,387 --> 00:56:35,987
Speaker 7: an offensive the defensive coach that we're side by side

1049
00:56:36,107 --> 00:56:39,107
Speaker 7: on game data to you know, I need the special

1050
00:56:39,147 --> 00:56:42,387
Speaker 7: teams and blah blah blah. But it's you know, just

1051
00:56:42,387 --> 00:56:48,347
Speaker 7: just seems that we're asking past players to be leaders

1052
00:56:48,387 --> 00:56:52,907
Speaker 7: and coaches, which doesn't always work. You know, they might

1053
00:56:52,947 --> 00:56:55,827
Speaker 7: have the experience at field level, but are they the

1054
00:56:55,907 --> 00:57:00,067
Speaker 7: most qualified for what we are wanting to run a

1055
00:57:00,187 --> 00:57:04,627
Speaker 7: success a successful business and being the top of our game.

1056
00:57:04,707 --> 00:57:09,707
Speaker 7: And and just to I think Roger Wrung earlier We've

1057
00:57:09,707 --> 00:57:13,347
Speaker 7: won three World Cups without bringing players back into New Zealand,

1058
00:57:13,387 --> 00:57:16,027
Speaker 7: so I don't think that's the option. I know that

1059
00:57:16,267 --> 00:57:19,267
Speaker 7: we've got a good setup we can bring players through. Yes,

1060
00:57:19,307 --> 00:57:24,227
Speaker 7: we lose players, but are those players were lost because

1061
00:57:24,507 --> 00:57:27,067
Speaker 7: they need to move on there's no place for them,

1062
00:57:27,187 --> 00:57:29,587
Speaker 7: or have we lost them because they're just really not

1063
00:57:29,747 --> 00:57:34,187
Speaker 7: up tostand it? And you know, the coaches select des eyes,

1064
00:57:34,267 --> 00:57:38,827
Speaker 7: so I just think stick to the way we select.

1065
00:57:39,267 --> 00:57:42,547
Speaker 7: But I think we just need to really change the

1066
00:57:43,387 --> 00:57:46,347
Speaker 7: whole thing. And I wouldn't mind not seeing a head

1067
00:57:46,387 --> 00:57:49,867
Speaker 7: coach this season and see what Turkey can do from

1068
00:57:50,347 --> 00:57:54,147
Speaker 7: from the sciensis point. Coaches for a specific role.

1069
00:57:54,547 --> 00:57:54,747
Speaker 9: You know.

1070
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Speaker 3: Interesting, but I've got to move. We've got some other

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00:57:57,067 --> 00:57:58,707
Speaker 3: calls to get to. It's an interesting point you make.

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00:57:59,147 --> 00:58:01,827
Speaker 3: I look at and that the other point that you

1073
00:58:01,907 --> 00:58:04,227
Speaker 3: landed on there was where you have to be a

1074
00:58:04,227 --> 00:58:06,147
Speaker 3: former player, And I don't think it matters one while

1075
00:58:06,187 --> 00:58:09,307
Speaker 3: the but the fact remains that our most successful coach

1076
00:58:09,307 --> 00:58:12,667
Speaker 3: of all time was never an All Black, Sir Steve Hanson.

1077
00:58:14,307 --> 00:58:17,387
Speaker 3: One of our next most successful was never an All Black,

1078
00:58:17,667 --> 00:58:22,867
Speaker 3: Sir Graham Henry. And when you look at Steve Hanson's superpower.

1079
00:58:24,307 --> 00:58:32,467
Speaker 3: It was unequivocal communication skills. You knew regardless of who

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00:58:32,507 --> 00:58:34,947
Speaker 3: you were, whether you were in the media, whether you

1081
00:58:35,067 --> 00:58:37,427
Speaker 3: were one of his players, whether you were one of

1082
00:58:37,427 --> 00:58:41,627
Speaker 3: his management staff, when you came into contact with Steve Hanson,

1083
00:58:42,667 --> 00:58:45,787
Speaker 3: Sir Steve, but I think he prefers Steve when you

1084
00:58:45,827 --> 00:58:48,307
Speaker 3: came into contact with him and you had a conversation

1085
00:58:48,467 --> 00:58:51,147
Speaker 3: with him, at the end of the conversation, you were

1086
00:58:51,187 --> 00:58:57,107
Speaker 3: an absolutely no doubt about how he felt. He had

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00:58:57,107 --> 00:59:01,107
Speaker 3: this ability to cut through all of the waffle and

1088
00:59:01,227 --> 00:59:04,787
Speaker 3: get his point across. That didn't necessarily mean that he

1089
00:59:04,907 --> 00:59:07,827
Speaker 3: ruled with an iron fist. People inside that environment of

1090
00:59:07,867 --> 00:59:13,347
Speaker 3: rid Steve Hanson's book say that he was extremely funny man,

1091
00:59:13,667 --> 00:59:16,307
Speaker 3: and you could tell the dry wit was obvious. But

1092
00:59:16,707 --> 00:59:24,547
Speaker 3: it was his crystal clear communication and his ability to

1093
00:59:24,547 --> 00:59:29,467
Speaker 3: be across all facets of this enormous role that were

1094
00:59:29,507 --> 00:59:35,547
Speaker 3: his main secrets of success. Ninety three wins, four draws

1095
00:59:35,587 --> 00:59:40,027
Speaker 3: and just ten defeats an eighty seven percent winning record

1096
00:59:40,067 --> 00:59:43,867
Speaker 3: for Steve Hanson, and there was no doubt when he

1097
00:59:43,987 --> 00:59:48,027
Speaker 3: was in charge. Who was in charge? One twenty five

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Speaker 3: back with more of your calls after this.

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Speaker 3: One twenty eight. Sobody layers to this conversation. Let's get

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Speaker 3: back to the phones, Kerrie, thank you for holding.

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Speaker 24: That's the right, Piney. Sorry, just been listening to some

1105
01:00:10,427 --> 01:00:13,747
Speaker 24: of this today, and yeah, I disagree with quite a

1106
01:00:13,787 --> 01:00:17,107
Speaker 24: lot of what's been said, to be honest, especially on this,

1107
01:00:17,307 --> 01:00:21,107
Speaker 24: especially on the it's clear and robust process and leadership

1108
01:00:21,107 --> 01:00:25,187
Speaker 24: by David Kirk. I totally disagree. So what's the clear

1109
01:00:25,187 --> 01:00:28,027
Speaker 24: and robust process? We haven't haven't been released on what

1110
01:00:28,067 --> 01:00:31,227
Speaker 24: the players are saying to me, it's, you know, a

1111
01:00:31,267 --> 01:00:36,147
Speaker 24: player revolt that sacked the coach. You're a football man ager, Piney,

1112
01:00:36,307 --> 01:00:40,747
Speaker 24: So what did Sue Alex Ferguson say when these players

1113
01:00:41,067 --> 01:00:46,347
Speaker 24: get like that and they're out the door? So, uh, yeah.

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Speaker 3: I guess I guess the difference Kerry is that is

1115
01:00:49,267 --> 01:00:53,947
Speaker 3: that Sir Alex Ferguson oversaw a period of sustained success,

1116
01:00:54,027 --> 01:00:57,387
Speaker 3: and I guess that success brought him the freedom to

1117
01:00:57,507 --> 01:01:00,547
Speaker 3: do exactly that. Look at the likes of David Beck

1118
01:01:00,627 --> 01:01:04,107
Speaker 3: and Roy Keane world class players and say, hey, you guys,

1119
01:01:04,547 --> 01:01:08,227
Speaker 3: you're gone all that. Yeah, sure that Scott Robertson had

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01:01:08,267 --> 01:01:11,867
Speaker 3: built the body of work for that and well everything

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Speaker 3: I mean, David Kirk said. David Kirk said there was

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01:01:14,427 --> 01:01:17,707
Speaker 3: no revolt. There's no revolt here. He was quite unequivocal

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Speaker 3: in that.

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Speaker 24: Tabard Piney Leam Napier just said that, you know there

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01:01:22,747 --> 01:01:25,587
Speaker 24: was scathing review from the players. So there's not a revolt.

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01:01:26,507 --> 01:01:29,787
Speaker 24: If Adie Savilla wants to leave, let them leave. What's

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01:01:29,787 --> 01:01:32,267
Speaker 24: can happen? If if all that's good began three in

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Speaker 24: South Africa by these same players, what's gonna happen?

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01:01:34,867 --> 01:01:38,507
Speaker 3: Then yeah, that's a great point carry because then who

1130
01:01:38,547 --> 01:01:41,867
Speaker 3: does David Kirk focus has his spotlight on.

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01:01:42,427 --> 01:01:45,987
Speaker 24: If Pott Robinson was in there seventy four percent, wouldn't

1132
01:01:46,027 --> 01:01:48,947
Speaker 24: wait lost like you said, like the other caller said,

1133
01:01:49,067 --> 01:01:54,507
Speaker 24: hadn't Broodie Repellic White lock Mwanga replaced trying to replace

1134
01:01:54,547 --> 01:01:57,907
Speaker 24: these people went to England with a rookie lock two

1135
01:01:57,947 --> 01:02:00,947
Speaker 24: rookie locks Patrick to have who two who was injured?

1136
01:02:01,547 --> 01:02:03,987
Speaker 24: So and then he gets that sack because the players

1137
01:02:04,027 --> 01:02:07,107
Speaker 24: are unhappy. I'm not the one who gave up forty

1138
01:02:07,107 --> 01:02:09,507
Speaker 24: points in South Africa and refused to tackle. You could

1139
01:02:09,507 --> 01:02:12,907
Speaker 24: see it in that game. Those players gave up and

1140
01:02:12,947 --> 01:02:14,387
Speaker 24: now they're the ones that stacked the coach.

1141
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Speaker 7: So yeah, I'm an all.

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01:02:18,667 --> 01:02:20,387
Speaker 24: Black fan, true and true, but I think this is

1143
01:02:20,427 --> 01:02:24,267
Speaker 24: just the shambles, you know, And it's what's an evidence?

1144
01:02:24,307 --> 01:02:27,307
Speaker 24: Like I said, they're gonna go to South Africa, odds

1145
01:02:27,547 --> 01:02:29,267
Speaker 24: they're not going to win over there, then what happens

1146
01:02:29,267 --> 01:02:30,187
Speaker 24: to these players.

1147
01:02:31,907 --> 01:02:33,987
Speaker 3: It's a very good question, Carrie, and look at it.

1148
01:02:34,067 --> 01:02:36,427
Speaker 3: I'm glad you've put the opposing view across because I

1149
01:02:36,467 --> 01:02:39,067
Speaker 3: was just saying to Andy in the break it's almost

1150
01:02:39,067 --> 01:02:42,067
Speaker 3: been there's been an absence of of the other side

1151
01:02:42,107 --> 01:02:46,227
Speaker 3: of the of the argument here and there. I said, yeah, yeah,

1152
01:02:46,387 --> 01:02:48,147
Speaker 3: and I'm glad you brought it. And that's what that's

1153
01:02:48,147 --> 01:02:49,187
Speaker 3: what we're here for, you know.

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Speaker 24: And I think maybe have said they asked and the

1155
01:02:55,187 --> 01:02:56,987
Speaker 24: interview you just had there was a guy on the

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01:02:56,987 --> 01:02:58,787
Speaker 24: A team and Auckland player. He didn't want to go

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01:02:58,787 --> 01:03:01,827
Speaker 24: and play for Scott Robinson, so don't let them. I mean,

1158
01:03:01,867 --> 01:03:05,907
Speaker 24: this is all blacks. You got to wear that Jersey.

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01:03:06,227 --> 01:03:09,187
Speaker 24: I find that that's dounding. You know, do you want

1160
01:03:09,187 --> 01:03:11,307
Speaker 24: to all back Jersey if you want to not tackle

1161
01:03:11,347 --> 01:03:13,227
Speaker 24: and give up forty points in South Africa at home?

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Speaker 3: Then see you later, Kerry. Keep keep our number on

1163
01:03:18,867 --> 01:03:21,107
Speaker 3: your phone mate, call back any time I've enjoyed chatting

1164
01:03:21,147 --> 01:03:24,067
Speaker 3: to you. Let's chat during the year, and particularly when

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01:03:24,267 --> 01:03:26,747
Speaker 3: the All Blacks go to South Africa. It'll be fascinating

1166
01:03:26,747 --> 01:03:28,467
Speaker 3: to see how they're lifted. Because that's the other part

1167
01:03:28,467 --> 01:03:31,947
Speaker 3: of this as well, is that the new coach, you know,

1168
01:03:32,107 --> 01:03:37,667
Speaker 3: can't magic out of thin air world class players. They'll

1169
01:03:37,707 --> 01:03:41,667
Speaker 3: come in and take over the same group of players. Yes,

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01:03:41,707 --> 01:03:44,627
Speaker 3: they'll have their own selection ideas around who plays where

1171
01:03:44,667 --> 01:03:47,947
Speaker 3: and who plays at all and who comes in, but

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01:03:48,787 --> 01:03:52,027
Speaker 3: they're not going to magically have a pot of world

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01:03:52,107 --> 01:03:55,187
Speaker 3: class players. But that's coaching, isn't it. You get the

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01:03:55,227 --> 01:03:57,107
Speaker 3: best out of the players that we that we have.

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01:03:57,427 --> 01:04:01,427
Speaker 3: We've got very very good players. You know, I'm still

1176
01:04:01,467 --> 01:04:02,987
Speaker 3: nive enough to think that we're a chance to win

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01:04:03,027 --> 01:04:06,147
Speaker 3: the World Cup next year, you know, I think, you know,

1178
01:04:06,187 --> 01:04:09,467
Speaker 3: that's probably the height of naivety and roast and and glasses.

1179
01:04:09,627 --> 01:04:11,467
Speaker 3: But that's why being an All Blacks faners Carrie, as

1180
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Speaker 3: I say, Qullbeck anytime, make great chatting to you. Hello,

1181
01:04:14,227 --> 01:04:18,147
Speaker 3: Steve yea man, how are you Steve? Very good Steve,

1182
01:04:18,147 --> 01:04:19,547
Speaker 3: thank you mate.

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Speaker 25: I got to say you very quickly.

1184
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Speaker 4: Mate.

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Speaker 25: I'm a little bit disappointed to he raised ago because

1186
01:04:23,627 --> 01:04:25,787
Speaker 25: we never made more money with him being there, and

1187
01:04:25,827 --> 01:04:28,947
Speaker 25: now he's gone, it's going to be a little bit

1188
01:04:28,947 --> 01:04:30,387
Speaker 25: more tight of this year. I had to measure with

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Speaker 25: a new coach.

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Speaker 3: But when you say, what what do you mean about money?

1191
01:04:34,227 --> 01:04:36,187
Speaker 3: You mean when you were betting on betting on the team.

1192
01:04:36,227 --> 01:04:36,507
Speaker 3: You mean.

1193
01:04:37,027 --> 01:04:40,027
Speaker 25: Yeah, absolutely a group of us that if I involved

1194
01:04:40,067 --> 01:04:43,947
Speaker 25: in sports betting, And look, when McLeod left, we knew

1195
01:04:43,947 --> 01:04:45,427
Speaker 25: that the writing was going to be on the water.

1196
01:04:45,427 --> 01:04:47,587
Speaker 25: It was something that the first warning signs were there,

1197
01:04:47,627 --> 01:04:50,707
Speaker 25: you know what I mean. And and this year, look,

1198
01:04:50,747 --> 01:04:52,987
Speaker 25: we made a bit of coin, even though we didn't

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01:04:53,027 --> 01:04:57,547
Speaker 25: like it betting against the all blanks. We kind of

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01:04:57,547 --> 01:04:59,627
Speaker 25: felt that there was no consistency. And I think Adam

1201
01:04:59,667 --> 01:05:01,467
Speaker 25: Cooper said earlier on it was the way that we

1202
01:05:01,547 --> 01:05:04,907
Speaker 25: lost our matches. But I think their last quality you

1203
01:05:05,067 --> 01:05:10,067
Speaker 25: just raised, he raised fantastic point because these players they're

1204
01:05:10,067 --> 01:05:12,787
Speaker 25: going to realize that this is the All Blacks, and

1205
01:05:13,147 --> 01:05:15,467
Speaker 25: if they're bringing someone like Jamie Joseph, I can tell

1206
01:05:15,507 --> 01:05:17,467
Speaker 25: you now he won't be putting up with any nonsense.

1207
01:05:18,507 --> 01:05:22,187
Speaker 25: He's old school. He played at the kind of like

1208
01:05:22,267 --> 01:05:26,267
Speaker 25: that that that latter era of when David Kirk and

1209
01:05:26,307 --> 01:05:29,067
Speaker 25: those boys were going out of their careers. He sort

1210
01:05:29,107 --> 01:05:31,667
Speaker 25: of came into there. And I've got a huge amount

1211
01:05:31,707 --> 01:05:34,507
Speaker 25: of respect for Jamie Joseph if he is the likely

1212
01:05:34,587 --> 01:05:37,827
Speaker 25: candidate to take over, because mate, he ain't going to

1213
01:05:37,867 --> 01:05:39,707
Speaker 25: put up with any player bullshit. I'll tell you that.

1214
01:05:39,907 --> 01:05:43,147
Speaker 25: Sorry for any of that, but he won't put up

1215
01:05:43,147 --> 01:05:46,867
Speaker 25: with any of it. He will be a very upfront

1216
01:05:47,947 --> 01:05:50,667
Speaker 25: and a man's man leader and he will carry that

1217
01:05:50,747 --> 01:05:55,267
Speaker 25: manner as a former player and also hip withis International Rugby.

1218
01:05:55,307 --> 01:05:59,547
Speaker 25: So if he is, then I hope that those guys

1219
01:05:59,587 --> 01:06:03,147
Speaker 25: like Adisab and those guys, they need to realize that, hey,

1220
01:06:03,787 --> 01:06:08,107
Speaker 25: you got there because of of being selected as an

1221
01:06:08,147 --> 01:06:11,387
Speaker 25: or Black and you've got to take You've got to

1222
01:06:11,427 --> 01:06:14,787
Speaker 25: take off your hat today, last caller, because blank with

1223
01:06:14,827 --> 01:06:17,347
Speaker 25: the or Blacks is a privilege. It is our first

1224
01:06:17,387 --> 01:06:21,307
Speaker 25: fifteen for all of the rugby clubs, all of the colleges,

1225
01:06:21,467 --> 01:06:24,947
Speaker 25: all of the primary schools in New Zealand. And so

1226
01:06:25,707 --> 01:06:29,227
Speaker 25: if it's not good enough for you guys to follow

1227
01:06:29,267 --> 01:06:31,987
Speaker 25: the system and follow the rules of what being an

1228
01:06:31,987 --> 01:06:34,667
Speaker 25: all blak is about, then biger.

1229
01:06:34,467 --> 01:06:38,707
Speaker 3: Off, can I ask you a question. Do you think

1230
01:06:38,787 --> 01:06:43,627
Speaker 3: that the that the players have the right to put

1231
01:06:43,667 --> 01:06:46,507
Speaker 3: forward their views about things that are not working within

1232
01:06:46,547 --> 01:06:50,347
Speaker 3: their environment if they feel strongly about that, well.

1233
01:06:50,227 --> 01:06:52,587
Speaker 25: I mean that that comes down to within being being

1234
01:06:52,627 --> 01:06:56,667
Speaker 25: involved in the system, though, mate, you know everyone's going

1235
01:06:56,747 --> 01:06:58,427
Speaker 25: to buy in. I mean when you when you apply

1236
01:06:58,507 --> 01:07:00,387
Speaker 25: for your job, for example, you go in there and

1237
01:07:00,387 --> 01:07:01,867
Speaker 25: they say, look, quite, what are you going to do

1238
01:07:01,907 --> 01:07:04,107
Speaker 25: that's different. It's going to increase our ratings for the

1239
01:07:04,107 --> 01:07:06,067
Speaker 25: sports show. You're going to put you in your thing,

1240
01:07:06,707 --> 01:07:08,507
Speaker 25: and your employeers are going to say, okay, mate, we're

1241
01:07:08,507 --> 01:07:11,027
Speaker 25: going to back you, We're going to beck you. You

1242
01:07:11,067 --> 01:07:13,067
Speaker 25: go ahead, and you go ahead and do it. Now,

1243
01:07:13,227 --> 01:07:16,067
Speaker 25: if that means that your team that you rely on

1244
01:07:16,187 --> 01:07:18,227
Speaker 25: to deliver the results that you put in and put

1245
01:07:18,267 --> 01:07:21,307
Speaker 25: them When you were interviewed and they said, oh no, look, piny,

1246
01:07:21,387 --> 01:07:23,147
Speaker 25: we we're kind of thinking that, you know, maybe we

1247
01:07:23,147 --> 01:07:24,867
Speaker 25: should do it this way, you turn around to them

1248
01:07:24,867 --> 01:07:28,107
Speaker 25: and have to say no, the board directors and then

1249
01:07:28,147 --> 01:07:30,347
Speaker 25: the employers of news storms that be appointing me to

1250
01:07:30,387 --> 01:07:32,467
Speaker 25: do this because I said I was going to deliver

1251
01:07:32,587 --> 01:07:35,107
Speaker 25: that end the story. Now, if you don't be part

1252
01:07:35,147 --> 01:07:36,347
Speaker 25: of that vision, pass off.

1253
01:07:37,587 --> 01:07:42,107
Speaker 3: Thank you, Steve. I appreciate your calling your passion again,

1254
01:07:43,227 --> 01:07:45,987
Speaker 3: call back anytime. Good to get a range of views,

1255
01:07:46,067 --> 01:07:49,187
Speaker 3: a range of views, Glenn, thoughts on what's happened up

1256
01:07:49,227 --> 01:07:52,347
Speaker 3: till now, thoughts on what will happen from here? Perhaps?

1257
01:07:52,787 --> 01:07:53,787
Speaker 7: Thanks Thanks Pliny.

1258
01:07:53,867 --> 01:07:56,827
Speaker 10: So first of all, teen years of outstanding success for

1259
01:07:56,987 --> 01:08:00,987
Speaker 10: Raiser like Canterbury and the Nineteens Crusaders. Every I don't

1260
01:08:01,027 --> 01:08:03,347
Speaker 10: think he went in a competition asy coach and didn't

1261
01:08:03,347 --> 01:08:05,387
Speaker 10: want it. So I was like, this guy should has

1262
01:08:05,427 --> 01:08:06,827
Speaker 10: to be your best coach. He's going to be amazing.

1263
01:08:07,667 --> 01:08:10,307
Speaker 10: Unfortunately he hasn't quite panned out. He's brought on some

1264
01:08:10,427 --> 01:08:13,307
Speaker 10: really good young players. Tossy sticks out to me, so

1265
01:08:13,467 --> 01:08:18,027
Speaker 10: Titi Fabian Holland, not saying that another coach wouldn't have

1266
01:08:18,067 --> 01:08:20,267
Speaker 10: picked them as well. But you know that the Kettle

1267
01:08:20,307 --> 01:08:23,147
Speaker 10: now they've had team fifteen tis now they're ready to go.

1268
01:08:23,667 --> 01:08:26,507
Speaker 10: So you know that's the good the bed. I think

1269
01:08:26,507 --> 01:08:29,227
Speaker 10: that the game plan has been well. I still don't

1270
01:08:29,227 --> 01:08:31,147
Speaker 10: know what the game plans. I've watched probably twenty five

1271
01:08:31,187 --> 01:08:32,907
Speaker 10: of his tiss and I still don't know who this is.

1272
01:08:32,947 --> 01:08:35,707
Speaker 10: If you watched France the start of this year with

1273
01:08:35,787 --> 01:08:37,667
Speaker 10: that letter of the tech in the bags, it seemed

1274
01:08:37,667 --> 01:08:39,667
Speaker 10: to work pretty good, and then we went away from

1275
01:08:39,707 --> 01:08:41,467
Speaker 10: it completely and tried to do something else against South

1276
01:08:41,467 --> 01:08:44,107
Speaker 10: Africa and as one Fell said, we are such a

1277
01:08:44,147 --> 01:08:47,027
Speaker 10: hiding we've even forgot to have a tackle. So yeah,

1278
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Speaker 10: it's been It's been pretty ugly really, so I'll just

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Speaker 10: leave that there.

1280
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Speaker 26: Talking about it.

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01:08:53,867 --> 01:08:56,587
Speaker 10: Who should come in? I don't think you can have

1282
01:08:56,867 --> 01:09:00,587
Speaker 10: Jamie without Tony Brown. I think those two cover each

1283
01:09:00,627 --> 01:09:04,827
Speaker 10: other's weaknesses really really well. I think if you can't,

1284
01:09:04,907 --> 01:09:07,587
Speaker 10: if he can't crowbar Brown out of South Africa, I

1285
01:09:07,587 --> 01:09:09,547
Speaker 10: think you're probably better to go with like a Joe

1286
01:09:09,547 --> 01:09:12,507
Speaker 10: Schmidt or maybe even a Clayton McMillan or someone like that.

1287
01:09:12,907 --> 01:09:16,187
Speaker 10: And I think they need whoever the new Gilbert and

1288
01:09:16,227 --> 01:09:18,667
Speaker 10: Ocre is because all of the sports books that you

1289
01:09:18,747 --> 01:09:24,507
Speaker 10: read doesn't matter whether it's McCall or Henry or Wayne Smith,

1290
01:09:24,507 --> 01:09:27,787
Speaker 10: and they all talk about the difference between three and

1291
01:09:28,187 --> 01:09:34,667
Speaker 10: seven eleven, fifteen, nineteen was the head space of those players. Yeah,

1292
01:09:34,707 --> 01:09:36,827
Speaker 10: and there's all down to Gilbert Okre in all of view.

1293
01:09:37,227 --> 01:09:40,987
Speaker 10: So I think that air players with what we've got

1294
01:09:40,987 --> 01:09:42,387
Speaker 10: five or six guys who are going to be in

1295
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Speaker 10: a World fifteen. But we air players are definitely good enough.

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Speaker 10: But I don't think that they're mentally there and I

1297
01:09:47,347 --> 01:09:49,747
Speaker 10: don't think the game plans right. So they need a

1298
01:09:49,747 --> 01:09:52,867
Speaker 10: skills coach and I think they should also grab kidwellbackhead

1299
01:09:52,907 --> 01:09:56,947
Speaker 10: of Argentina if they can, because men Argentina since he's

1300
01:09:56,987 --> 01:09:58,467
Speaker 10: been there, I don't know if it's just him, but

1301
01:09:58,587 --> 01:10:02,907
Speaker 10: the defense, the more work has just been absolutely sumptuous.

1302
01:10:02,947 --> 01:10:04,027
Speaker 10: So yeah, they go you.

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01:10:04,067 --> 01:10:06,707
Speaker 3: Some names, no good stuff, Glenn. Thanks. The only thing

1304
01:10:06,707 --> 01:10:08,307
Speaker 3: I say about Gilbert and Ooka is he's currently with

1305
01:10:08,347 --> 01:10:11,747
Speaker 3: the England cricket team out to work it out there,

1306
01:10:11,867 --> 01:10:15,747
Speaker 3: but maybe it's a slow burn. Good to hear from you, mate. Thanks. Indeed, Heidi,

1307
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Speaker 3: you want to talk about the loss in Wellington to

1308
01:10:18,267 --> 01:10:20,987
Speaker 3: South Africa. It felt like a real low point in

1309
01:10:21,067 --> 01:10:24,107
Speaker 3: this coaching tenure for Scott Robinson.

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01:10:26,067 --> 01:10:28,907
Speaker 27: Yes it did. We were lucky enough to stop tickets

1311
01:10:28,907 --> 01:10:31,667
Speaker 27: to go to Wellington last year. The game that fell

1312
01:10:31,707 --> 01:10:35,907
Speaker 27: apart after the second half, and what was really interesting,

1313
01:10:36,107 --> 01:10:38,987
Speaker 27: being at the game provided a really different feeling than

1314
01:10:39,027 --> 01:10:42,307
Speaker 27: watching it on TV. We were also only about five

1315
01:10:42,467 --> 01:10:48,427
Speaker 27: rows down from the coach's box, and watching Scott Robinson

1316
01:10:48,867 --> 01:10:52,187
Speaker 27: walk down at halftime, you almost fell a little bit

1317
01:10:52,227 --> 01:10:54,907
Speaker 27: of hope. And then watching him just sit and wait

1318
01:10:55,107 --> 01:10:57,627
Speaker 27: and waits at the end of the game once we

1319
01:10:57,667 --> 01:11:00,267
Speaker 27: had lost, and seeing him walk down, he just looked

1320
01:11:00,267 --> 01:11:03,387
Speaker 27: a little bit like a lost man. And after the

1321
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Speaker 27: game we happened to just be waiting and watching and

1322
01:11:05,867 --> 01:11:08,907
Speaker 27: Scott it came up again. He looked like a broken

1323
01:11:08,947 --> 01:11:11,187
Speaker 27: man too. And I think just being there and seeing

1324
01:11:11,227 --> 01:11:15,467
Speaker 27: that firsthand, my heart actually went out to them. It

1325
01:11:15,707 --> 01:11:19,307
Speaker 27: just looked like they didn't quite have the answers and

1326
01:11:19,347 --> 01:11:19,947
Speaker 27: they didn't know.

1327
01:11:19,907 --> 01:11:20,427
Speaker 28: What to zoo.

1328
01:11:20,467 --> 01:11:22,907
Speaker 27: But they also looked pretty broken and it was really

1329
01:11:22,987 --> 01:11:28,227
Speaker 27: hard to see. But in hindsight, looking back now and

1330
01:11:28,267 --> 01:11:30,347
Speaker 27: hearing what's been going on in the last few days,

1331
01:11:30,387 --> 01:11:33,667
Speaker 27: in the last few months, it almost is a ha

1332
01:11:33,947 --> 01:11:34,627
Speaker 27: moment for me.

1333
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a sort of a light bulb of what

1334
01:11:38,827 --> 01:11:41,067
Speaker 3: you saw that night, and I look, I hear doi,

1335
01:11:41,147 --> 01:11:43,827
Speaker 3: I agree. I remember being down on the grass actually

1336
01:11:43,867 --> 01:11:46,867
Speaker 3: doing the sideline commentary when Scott Barrett came out to

1337
01:11:47,267 --> 01:11:49,307
Speaker 3: do the postmatch media or came across to do it,

1338
01:11:49,467 --> 01:11:52,347
Speaker 3: and I remember looking at Scott Robertson giving it what

1339
01:11:52,387 --> 01:11:54,987
Speaker 3: I'd call the thousand yards stare. You know, you're staring

1340
01:11:55,027 --> 01:11:57,227
Speaker 3: into the middle distance and just trying to work out

1341
01:11:57,547 --> 01:12:00,787
Speaker 3: what on earth has just happened and then trying to

1342
01:12:01,467 --> 01:12:04,707
Speaker 3: in some way explain it to yourself before you then

1343
01:12:04,787 --> 01:12:07,107
Speaker 3: have to, you know, have the responsible of explaining it

1344
01:12:07,147 --> 01:12:09,347
Speaker 3: to the rugby public through the media. It's you know,

1345
01:12:09,467 --> 01:12:11,787
Speaker 3: it was and I think lost is a good word.

1346
01:12:11,827 --> 01:12:14,947
Speaker 3: It just he didn't have the experience, Scott Robertson to

1347
01:12:15,027 --> 01:12:17,907
Speaker 3: deal with what had happened because it had never happened

1348
01:12:17,907 --> 01:12:18,587
Speaker 3: to him before.

1349
01:12:19,707 --> 01:12:21,747
Speaker 27: Yeah, And I just think it was I think it

1350
01:12:21,827 --> 01:12:24,867
Speaker 27: was the really human moment of it as well, just

1351
01:12:24,987 --> 01:12:30,267
Speaker 27: watching them both and just watching Yeah, like as you say,

1352
01:12:30,427 --> 01:12:32,667
Speaker 27: just looking, it was almost like if I look further

1353
01:12:32,707 --> 01:12:34,827
Speaker 27: and further and further, will the answers come to me?

1354
01:12:35,387 --> 01:12:37,947
Speaker 27: And you could see I could just feel that it

1355
01:12:38,027 --> 01:12:40,347
Speaker 27: was a what do I do? What do we do next?

1356
01:12:40,827 --> 01:12:44,147
Speaker 27: And even just Scott Robinson's big breath as he then

1357
01:12:44,267 --> 01:12:46,707
Speaker 27: had to walk down through the crowd which we were

1358
01:12:46,747 --> 01:12:50,427
Speaker 27: around a lot of South Africans and everyone was really respectful.

1359
01:12:50,867 --> 01:12:53,147
Speaker 27: But I thought, oh, this is the big time, this

1360
01:12:53,307 --> 01:12:56,667
Speaker 27: is we are I guess the answers if the questions

1361
01:12:56,667 --> 01:12:57,827
Speaker 27: have to be answered.

1362
01:12:58,187 --> 01:13:01,107
Speaker 3: Great call, Heidi. Great perception on your part as well,

1363
01:13:01,147 --> 01:13:03,347
Speaker 3: and I hope you get the chance to go to

1364
01:13:03,387 --> 01:13:07,947
Speaker 3: a more positive For Blacks testmatch in the future. I'm

1365
01:13:07,987 --> 01:13:10,227
Speaker 3: sure you will. But yeah, let's not forget the human

1366
01:13:10,307 --> 01:13:13,747
Speaker 3: side of this. In all of this, Let's not forget

1367
01:13:13,747 --> 01:13:16,107
Speaker 3: that Scott Robertson came into the job with the best

1368
01:13:16,107 --> 01:13:20,387
Speaker 3: of intentions. Of course he did. Nobody comes into any job,

1369
01:13:20,467 --> 01:13:24,427
Speaker 3: I don't think with anything other than a positive intent

1370
01:13:25,507 --> 01:13:30,467
Speaker 3: to do well. Scott Robertson took this job because he

1371
01:13:30,547 --> 01:13:33,347
Speaker 3: wanted to enhance the All Blacks legacy. It was a

1372
01:13:33,387 --> 01:13:35,627
Speaker 3: team that he'd played for, a team that he had

1373
01:13:35,667 --> 01:13:39,187
Speaker 3: loved his whole life, a team that he genuinely, genuinely

1374
01:13:39,227 --> 01:13:46,987
Speaker 3: believed he could improve and enhance. It didn't happen, and

1375
01:13:47,027 --> 01:13:50,427
Speaker 3: the human cost of this is that Scott Robertson has

1376
01:13:50,467 --> 01:13:55,307
Speaker 3: lost his job. That's the brutality of professional sport. It

1377
01:13:55,387 --> 01:13:58,507
Speaker 3: is a results based business. But let's not forget that.

1378
01:13:58,747 --> 01:14:02,467
Speaker 3: You know, there's a bloke who who's had basically his

1379
01:14:02,627 --> 01:14:05,987
Speaker 3: dream shattered, as he said in his statement the other day,

1380
01:14:06,467 --> 01:14:10,467
Speaker 3: gutted with what has happened here, Heidi, great call, thank you. Indeed,

1381
01:14:10,587 --> 01:14:13,307
Speaker 3: seventeen away from two, we're across the Tasman to find

1382
01:14:13,307 --> 01:14:14,987
Speaker 3: out how they've reacted, Adam Peacock.

1383
01:14:15,027 --> 01:14:18,747
Speaker 1: After this those Voice of Sport on your Home of

1384
01:14:18,787 --> 01:14:23,107
Speaker 1: Sport Weekend Sport with Jason Vain and GJ. Gunner homes

1385
01:14:23,307 --> 01:14:25,667
Speaker 1: New Zealand's most trusted oh Builder News.

1386
01:14:25,427 --> 01:14:28,827
Speaker 3: TALKSB News Talks A been weekends or fourteen away from two,

1387
01:14:28,867 --> 01:14:31,387
Speaker 3: let's get you across the Tasman. Adam Peacock, our regular

1388
01:14:31,427 --> 01:14:34,547
Speaker 3: Australian correspondent is with us big show and a big

1389
01:14:34,587 --> 01:14:38,027
Speaker 3: week here. Adam with the with the parting of ways

1390
01:14:38,067 --> 01:14:41,907
Speaker 3: between Scott Robertson and New Zealand Rugby. What's the reaction

1391
01:14:42,027 --> 01:14:43,587
Speaker 3: being to this on your side of the Tasman.

1392
01:14:44,187 --> 01:14:46,627
Speaker 28: Yeah, I'm gonna pointy it' it's kind of out of

1393
01:14:46,707 --> 01:14:50,307
Speaker 28: left fields. It's weird for like a coach to go

1394
01:14:50,507 --> 01:14:52,987
Speaker 28: in that way. It's not like it's off the back

1395
01:14:53,027 --> 01:14:56,707
Speaker 28: of an emotional result or something like that. It's a

1396
01:14:56,827 --> 01:15:00,507
Speaker 28: sorough investigation and it's a really weird ones. I caught

1397
01:15:00,507 --> 01:15:02,507
Speaker 28: everyone on the hop over here, and probably the first

1398
01:15:02,507 --> 01:15:05,067
Speaker 28: thing that came to mind over here was, well, does

1399
01:15:05,107 --> 01:15:06,947
Speaker 28: this many all bucks are going to go Joe Schmitt

1400
01:15:07,027 --> 01:15:11,627
Speaker 28: and get him to get Rickloud of his itself a

1401
01:15:11,667 --> 01:15:15,347
Speaker 28: weird contract with Ruddy Australia with a transition to less

1402
01:15:15,387 --> 01:15:19,187
Speaker 28: kisses as coach. But yeah, that was the main one.

1403
01:15:19,227 --> 01:15:23,627
Speaker 28: And of course he's known here as I'm sure it's

1404
01:15:23,627 --> 01:15:26,427
Speaker 28: in media reports over there as the breakdancing coach, so

1405
01:15:26,787 --> 01:15:30,187
Speaker 28: he's you know, that highlight thing on all the TV

1406
01:15:30,307 --> 01:15:33,227
Speaker 28: news is to explain who this guy has nothing to

1407
01:15:33,227 --> 01:15:36,427
Speaker 28: do with a like a Crusaders looking a trophy or

1408
01:15:36,427 --> 01:15:39,427
Speaker 28: whatever like that. It's always the ten second clip of

1409
01:15:39,507 --> 01:15:42,587
Speaker 28: him buff and moves after a game. But yeah, that

1410
01:15:42,987 --> 01:15:45,907
Speaker 28: was the main kind of immediate thought over here. I

1411
01:15:45,947 --> 01:15:48,827
Speaker 28: don't know if it's kind of resonated over there that

1412
01:15:48,987 --> 01:15:51,507
Speaker 28: the thought of possibility of Joe Schmitt. I know there

1413
01:15:51,507 --> 01:15:52,427
Speaker 28: are other candidates.

1414
01:15:52,507 --> 01:15:55,027
Speaker 3: It absolutely has been mentioned, yeah, among others, but I

1415
01:15:55,067 --> 01:15:58,187
Speaker 3: mean he's he's highly credential, he's a key week, he's

1416
01:15:58,227 --> 01:16:00,667
Speaker 3: been in and around the team before, so yeah, he's

1417
01:16:00,667 --> 01:16:04,227
Speaker 3: certainly a name being bandied about. What's the name that breakdowncer,

1418
01:16:04,427 --> 01:16:07,627
Speaker 3: the Australian Breakdown? So who was world famous?

1419
01:16:07,707 --> 01:16:08,747
Speaker 6: What was her name?

1420
01:16:09,267 --> 01:16:15,267
Speaker 28: H yeah, yeah, there wasn't really breakdancewer rolling around on

1421
01:16:15,387 --> 01:16:18,587
Speaker 28: the four like Adler in the shops not getting a

1422
01:16:18,587 --> 01:16:22,867
Speaker 28: lolly anyway, it was trying to expund that as a

1423
01:16:22,947 --> 01:16:24,867
Speaker 28: nation from our memory fabric.

1424
01:16:25,707 --> 01:16:27,467
Speaker 3: I'm glad I've brought it up there and that's great. Okay,

1425
01:16:27,547 --> 01:16:31,147
Speaker 3: let's move on to what lies ahead of you. You're

1426
01:16:31,147 --> 01:16:34,067
Speaker 3: always deeply involved in the Australian Open about to begin.

1427
01:16:34,467 --> 01:16:35,907
Speaker 3: Just before we get to it in the week pass,

1428
01:16:35,947 --> 01:16:39,227
Speaker 3: we've had the inaugural one point Slam, a million dollars

1429
01:16:39,267 --> 01:16:41,427
Speaker 3: for the winner, who was a twenty nine year old

1430
01:16:41,427 --> 01:16:43,387
Speaker 3: tennis coach out of Sydney. Tell us about this.

1431
01:16:43,347 --> 01:16:47,667
Speaker 28: Innvation, Yeah, Jordan Smith, he's a coach. So it was

1432
01:16:47,707 --> 01:16:50,987
Speaker 28: basically like you try and qualify and then they ended

1433
01:16:51,027 --> 01:16:52,627
Speaker 28: up with a main drawer on the night. I think

1434
01:16:52,627 --> 01:16:54,707
Speaker 28: it was a thirty two or sixty full main drawer,

1435
01:16:54,747 --> 01:16:57,067
Speaker 28: so it was like you played one point and the

1436
01:16:57,107 --> 01:16:59,787
Speaker 28: amateurs get two serves that the prow's got one serve

1437
01:17:00,307 --> 01:17:02,987
Speaker 28: and whoever that point goes on in the tournament, so

1438
01:17:03,067 --> 01:17:05,547
Speaker 28: it's like it went all day like, so they had

1439
01:17:05,627 --> 01:17:08,107
Speaker 28: qualifying out side and then they came inside for the

1440
01:17:08,307 --> 01:17:11,667
Speaker 28: night TV product if you like. And as a TV product,

1441
01:17:11,667 --> 01:17:13,747
Speaker 28: I think it actually really worked and as a promotional

1442
01:17:13,787 --> 01:17:17,027
Speaker 28: tool as well the Australian Open. Obviously the ashes have

1443
01:17:17,227 --> 01:17:20,827
Speaker 28: caught everyone's attention here. It's score holidays, it's holiday times

1444
01:17:20,827 --> 01:17:23,907
Speaker 28: full stop, so that the tennis is like always on

1445
01:17:23,947 --> 01:17:25,907
Speaker 28: the calendar now, but you need something to get in

1446
01:17:25,987 --> 01:17:28,627
Speaker 28: front of people and go it's on, and I reckon

1447
01:17:28,627 --> 01:17:31,307
Speaker 28: this worked perfectly. And tonight we've got Roger Feeder playing

1448
01:17:31,787 --> 01:17:34,587
Speaker 28: on a rod Labor arena again in the exhibition to

1449
01:17:34,667 --> 01:17:37,067
Speaker 28: have the opening ceremony, so that again is a good

1450
01:17:37,067 --> 01:17:39,147
Speaker 28: way to introduce But this one point plan brought about

1451
01:17:39,147 --> 01:17:42,507
Speaker 28: this guy from Sydney, Jordan Smith, a good player that

1452
01:17:42,547 --> 01:17:44,507
Speaker 28: he's had hit problems so that's kind of stopped him

1453
01:17:44,507 --> 01:17:47,307
Speaker 28: as a professional, but he just got through. He won

1454
01:17:47,347 --> 01:17:48,347
Speaker 28: himself a million dollars.

1455
01:17:48,347 --> 01:17:52,427
Speaker 3: It was awesome, absolutely brilliant. The tournament proper underway this

1456
01:17:52,507 --> 01:17:55,107
Speaker 3: weekend and the mean twelve number one colors El Carez

1457
01:17:55,147 --> 01:17:58,827
Speaker 3: double defending champion Alex Center, the top two men seeds.

1458
01:17:58,867 --> 01:18:01,107
Speaker 3: These guys seem like they're on a collision course. Elcrez

1459
01:18:01,147 --> 01:18:04,747
Speaker 3: has never even made an Ossie Open semi final though,

1460
01:18:04,787 --> 01:18:07,627
Speaker 3: let alone the final. Surely that changes this year.

1461
01:18:08,387 --> 01:18:10,987
Speaker 28: Yeah, who knows.

1462
01:18:11,267 --> 01:18:11,587
Speaker 10: I don't.

1463
01:18:11,747 --> 01:18:13,987
Speaker 28: I can't really explain why he hasn't been able to

1464
01:18:14,027 --> 01:18:16,147
Speaker 28: get it done here. Maybe start of the year is

1465
01:18:16,187 --> 01:18:19,827
Speaker 28: not quite at his top. Change his coaching structure. He's

1466
01:18:19,907 --> 01:18:22,067
Speaker 28: no longer working with one Carlos Ferrero who got him

1467
01:18:22,067 --> 01:18:24,747
Speaker 28: to this point on the cusp of winning a career

1468
01:18:24,747 --> 01:18:26,987
Speaker 28: Grand Flame when he's by the age of twenty two.

1469
01:18:27,267 --> 01:18:30,627
Speaker 28: It's ridiculous thought, but he's that good. Look, these two

1470
01:18:30,667 --> 01:18:33,067
Speaker 28: are just cleared away. So consider this in the rankings

1471
01:18:33,107 --> 01:18:36,747
Speaker 28: that Sinner and al KaAZ they're on point. You get

1472
01:18:36,827 --> 01:18:40,187
Speaker 28: ranking points through the year they're on. So the guy

1473
01:18:40,187 --> 01:18:43,267
Speaker 28: who's ranked third, I think it is Zverev, he's closer

1474
01:18:43,427 --> 01:18:45,667
Speaker 28: to the guy who ranked fifteen hundred in the world

1475
01:18:45,987 --> 01:18:49,147
Speaker 28: on zero points than he is to enough two. Wow,

1476
01:18:49,787 --> 01:18:52,747
Speaker 28: that's the cut, these two who have just created in

1477
01:18:53,227 --> 01:18:57,307
Speaker 28: the game. It's one two and then daylight. So very strange.

1478
01:18:57,307 --> 01:18:59,747
Speaker 28: If they don't play in the final, a weird result

1479
01:18:59,787 --> 01:19:03,187
Speaker 28: would have happened. Big upset would have happened, though not

1480
01:19:03,187 --> 01:19:05,947
Speaker 28: saying it can't happen, but it would go against the grain.

1481
01:19:06,427 --> 01:19:08,667
Speaker 28: These two have just quit out. I think between them

1482
01:19:08,667 --> 01:19:12,707
Speaker 28: they one of the last eight Grand Slams in tennis. Yeah,

1483
01:19:12,867 --> 01:19:15,027
Speaker 28: surprised if one of those two don't win it, I'd

1484
01:19:15,027 --> 01:19:16,467
Speaker 28: probably lump the Cinner at the moment.

1485
01:19:16,827 --> 01:19:19,107
Speaker 3: Alex Stephen know the big hometown hope. Of course, he's

1486
01:19:19,147 --> 01:19:21,987
Speaker 3: the sixth seed, made the quarters last year, which was

1487
01:19:22,587 --> 01:19:24,747
Speaker 3: I understand his best showing in Melbourne.

1488
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Speaker 5: Could he go further?

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Speaker 3: They called him demon over there? Could he go further?

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Speaker 28: He could? Got a horrific draw. He plays Barrick's any

1491
01:19:32,947 --> 01:19:34,867
Speaker 28: first up. Now he's ranked fifty in the world, but

1492
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Speaker 28: he's played a Wimbledon final.

1493
01:19:36,387 --> 01:19:36,907
Speaker 17: At his top.

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01:19:36,987 --> 01:19:39,667
Speaker 28: He's a very very good player first round and then

1495
01:19:39,787 --> 01:19:43,667
Speaker 28: he's got these tricky assignments on the way through. He could,

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01:19:43,667 --> 01:19:46,187
Speaker 28: but he gets to a moment where he plays a

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01:19:46,267 --> 01:19:50,107
Speaker 28: Cinner and an our Karage and they're just better than

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01:19:50,187 --> 01:19:53,027
Speaker 28: him on their day, Like when they're playing well, they're

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01:19:53,067 --> 01:19:55,907
Speaker 28: just better than Alex when he's playing well. At this stage,

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Speaker 28: he hasn't figured out a way there. But the thing

1501
01:19:58,427 --> 01:20:01,147
Speaker 28: about Alex demon or is the fact that he will

1502
01:20:01,187 --> 01:20:04,267
Speaker 28: present himself and put himself in the best possible shape

1503
01:20:04,307 --> 01:20:08,267
Speaker 28: and best possible way to take advantage of something that

1504
01:20:08,307 --> 01:20:12,307
Speaker 28: opens up in a draw every single time. So yeah,

1505
01:20:12,867 --> 01:20:15,667
Speaker 28: it could happen to him this year's Australian Open if

1506
01:20:15,707 --> 01:20:18,507
Speaker 28: weird results happen and he gets through and he continues

1507
01:20:18,547 --> 01:20:21,267
Speaker 28: to go along with the awesome if he made a final,

1508
01:20:21,307 --> 01:20:23,787
Speaker 28: here the place to go off. So yeah, we're all

1509
01:20:23,787 --> 01:20:24,947
Speaker 28: behind him over here, definitely.

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01:20:25,027 --> 01:20:27,267
Speaker 3: And of the women's singles are in a sableinca top sege.

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01:20:27,267 --> 01:20:29,587
Speaker 3: She's made the last three finals one two of those.

1512
01:20:29,627 --> 01:20:32,787
Speaker 3: Is she a pretty firm favorite to go deep again.

1513
01:20:33,507 --> 01:20:33,707
Speaker 18: Yeah.

1514
01:20:33,947 --> 01:20:37,147
Speaker 28: The top three in women's tennis is Coco Gough, Egoslantek

1515
01:20:37,227 --> 01:20:39,547
Speaker 28: and also Arena Sablenka. They've been the top three for

1516
01:20:39,547 --> 01:20:42,347
Speaker 28: the last three years. So women's tennis has been up

1517
01:20:42,347 --> 01:20:44,467
Speaker 28: and down with all these new women's and everything like that,

1518
01:20:45,307 --> 01:20:48,307
Speaker 28: especially after Ash part he retired, but these three have

1519
01:20:48,387 --> 01:20:50,827
Speaker 28: kind of cleared out a bit, So I think it's

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01:20:50,827 --> 01:20:52,987
Speaker 28: between those three. Last year we had Madison Keys when

1521
01:20:53,067 --> 01:20:55,227
Speaker 28: and that was just an awesome final. It was one

1522
01:20:55,227 --> 01:20:59,067
Speaker 28: of the best matches I think I've ever seen, so yeah,

1523
01:20:59,987 --> 01:21:02,347
Speaker 28: funny results can happen, but yeah, you're right. Sabalanca has

1524
01:21:02,507 --> 01:21:06,947
Speaker 28: got an immensely a men's record here in Australia. Two

1525
01:21:06,947 --> 01:21:09,787
Speaker 28: of the three last straw's got touched out last year

1526
01:21:09,787 --> 01:21:12,907
Speaker 28: by Madison Case. Yeah, she's the favorite, absolutely.

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01:21:12,587 --> 01:21:15,507
Speaker 3: All right, Raygun is who we should have remembered, ray

1528
01:21:15,587 --> 01:21:18,547
Speaker 3: Gun that was her name. Long may she be consigned

1529
01:21:18,547 --> 01:21:25,507
Speaker 3: to history. And there you go, Double's combination to beat

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01:21:25,507 --> 01:21:28,027
Speaker 3: them all. Always good to chat mate, enjoy Melbourne in

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Speaker 3: the weekend. We'll catch up next ourday, will do Thanks funny, no,

1532
01:21:31,347 --> 01:21:34,227
Speaker 3: thank you mate. That's Adam Peacock, our regular Australian correspondent

1533
01:21:34,267 --> 01:21:37,667
Speaker 3: here on News Talks EDB coming up seven away from

1534
01:21:37,747 --> 01:21:39,027
Speaker 3: two to on weekend sport.

1535
01:21:39,027 --> 01:21:42,667
Speaker 1: From breaking down the Hail Mary's and the every Field

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01:21:44,307 --> 01:21:47,987
Speaker 1: Weekend Sport with Jason nine News Talk ZENB.

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01:21:48,507 --> 01:21:49,787
Speaker 3: Four to two gon to pip it away from the

1538
01:21:49,867 --> 01:21:52,627
Speaker 3: rugby after two. We will revisit it tomorrow though and

1539
01:21:52,667 --> 01:21:54,787
Speaker 3: sort of widen the scope. How is this news being

1540
01:21:54,827 --> 01:21:57,747
Speaker 3: greeted around the rest of the world, particularly in the

1541
01:21:57,827 --> 01:22:02,907
Speaker 3: rugby superpower South Africa for starters Ireland as well. In fact,

1542
01:22:02,947 --> 01:22:07,267
Speaker 3: the Jenna who broke the story Friday morning. Thursday morning,

1543
01:22:07,387 --> 01:22:10,627
Speaker 3: my apologies, Rory O'Connor is going to join us. How

1544
01:22:10,627 --> 01:22:13,027
Speaker 3: did he get the story, how did he connect the

1545
01:22:13,067 --> 01:22:17,347
Speaker 3: dots and how are the Irish feeling about Razor's departure.

1546
01:22:17,387 --> 01:22:19,107
Speaker 3: So more on the rugby tomorrow. Heaps of time for

1547
01:22:19,187 --> 01:22:22,267
Speaker 3: your calls as well. After two though, going to pivot

1548
01:22:22,267 --> 01:22:25,347
Speaker 3: across to the tennis finals day at the ASB Classic.

1549
01:22:25,387 --> 01:22:27,947
Speaker 3: Michael Venus going to preview the men's final.

1550
01:22:27,707 --> 01:22:32,307
Speaker 1: For us, the only place to discuss the biggest sports

1551
01:22:32,307 --> 01:22:36,587
Speaker 1: issues on and after field, it's all on Weekends Forward

1552
01:22:36,667 --> 01:22:39,827
Speaker 1: with Jason Vaide on your home of Sport.

1553
01:22:41,147 --> 01:22:41,387
Speaker 10: Talk.

1554
01:22:43,267 --> 01:22:46,707
Speaker 3: Hello there, welcome into Weekends Sport. Welcome back. We're going to,

1555
01:22:46,707 --> 01:22:49,107
Speaker 3: as I said before, to pivot away from the rugby.

1556
01:22:49,147 --> 01:22:51,787
Speaker 3: I was just saying to Andy during the news there

1557
01:22:51,867 --> 01:22:56,947
Speaker 3: is just an unsatiable appetite for the story. I'm sure,

1558
01:22:57,267 --> 01:23:00,387
Speaker 3: being the sports fans that you are, if you're listening

1559
01:23:00,427 --> 01:23:02,307
Speaker 3: to this show, you would have taken an interest in

1560
01:23:02,347 --> 01:23:10,147
Speaker 3: the story. But honestly, the volume of reaction to the

1561
01:23:10,267 --> 01:23:12,187
Speaker 3: story in the last forty eight hours, and it has

1562
01:23:12,227 --> 01:23:14,947
Speaker 3: been forty eight hours, was just before two o'clock on Thursday,

1563
01:23:14,947 --> 01:23:17,267
Speaker 3: and we've just gone two o'clock Saturday. The last forty

1564
01:23:17,307 --> 01:23:22,747
Speaker 3: eight hours. I cannot remember a sports story certainly, and

1565
01:23:22,827 --> 01:23:27,267
Speaker 3: not too many actual news stories that have prompted as

1566
01:23:27,467 --> 01:23:30,987
Speaker 3: much reaction as this one has. And he said, just now,

1567
01:23:30,987 --> 01:23:33,907
Speaker 3: we'll probably be still talking about this, you know, in

1568
01:23:33,947 --> 01:23:36,147
Speaker 3: a couple of weeks. We'll we'll take a break from

1569
01:23:36,147 --> 01:23:38,307
Speaker 3: it at the moment. We will come back to it tomorrow,

1570
01:23:38,387 --> 01:23:42,147
Speaker 3: as I say, and widen it out. Really keen to

1571
01:23:42,187 --> 01:23:45,947
Speaker 3: hear what they're saying overseas in South Africa and Ireland

1572
01:23:45,987 --> 01:23:49,027
Speaker 3: and other places too, so we'll widen the scope tomorrow.

1573
01:23:49,067 --> 01:23:51,307
Speaker 3: Is still plenty of time for your cause as well.

1574
01:23:51,067 --> 01:23:53,907
Speaker 3: We'll make sure that we open the lines again, because

1575
01:23:54,307 --> 01:23:58,027
Speaker 3: it has been utterly impossible to get everybody on the air.

1576
01:23:58,347 --> 01:24:00,827
Speaker 3: And I must say is always thank you so much

1577
01:24:00,867 --> 01:24:06,627
Speaker 3: for your text messages. They have arrived in the in

1578
01:24:06,707 --> 01:24:11,987
Speaker 3: the dozens and the hundreds probably, and look I'm doing

1579
01:24:12,027 --> 01:24:13,587
Speaker 3: my best to read them all. The way the text

1580
01:24:13,627 --> 01:24:16,347
Speaker 3: machine works here is the text arrive on a screen,

1581
01:24:16,907 --> 01:24:19,107
Speaker 3: and I no as sooner as I start to read one,

1582
01:24:19,147 --> 01:24:21,667
Speaker 3: then the screen refreshes and a whole bunch of new

1583
01:24:21,707 --> 01:24:26,467
Speaker 3: ones just arrives. Like I say, It's unprecedented in my

1584
01:24:26,627 --> 01:24:28,947
Speaker 3: time certainly, which is a short time doing this show,

1585
01:24:28,947 --> 01:24:31,307
Speaker 3: but working even in the old radio sport days, I

1586
01:24:31,347 --> 01:24:34,027
Speaker 3: can't remember anything as big as this. Anyway, they're going

1587
01:24:34,107 --> 01:24:36,707
Speaker 3: to labor the point enough, probably prove the point to

1588
01:24:36,907 --> 01:24:40,347
Speaker 3: you this how though, we'll look at other sport, including

1589
01:24:40,347 --> 01:24:43,427
Speaker 3: the tennis men's singles finally about to get underweight at

1590
01:24:43,467 --> 01:24:46,467
Speaker 3: the ASP Classic. Michael Venus is going to preview that

1591
01:24:46,667 --> 01:24:50,067
Speaker 3: for us the new Oceania Pro League. This is football

1592
01:24:50,267 --> 01:24:55,307
Speaker 3: underweight today. Roy Krishna, absolute football legend, is the star

1593
01:24:55,427 --> 01:24:58,587
Speaker 3: signing for Buller FC the Fiji in Sight. They take

1594
01:24:58,627 --> 01:25:03,067
Speaker 3: on Vanuatu FC in the opener at Eden Park this afternoon.

1595
01:25:03,147 --> 01:25:06,587
Speaker 3: Roy Krishna on the show. And Brianna Stevenson remember that name.

1596
01:25:07,147 --> 01:25:10,667
Speaker 3: She has in the last week or so reached the

1597
01:25:10,707 --> 01:25:14,587
Speaker 3: a qualifying standard for the heptathlon for the Commonwealth Game,

1598
01:25:14,627 --> 01:25:16,587
Speaker 3: so we'll see her in Glasgow later on the year.

1599
01:25:16,787 --> 01:25:19,107
Speaker 3: She's at the Pots Classic this afternoon running in the

1600
01:25:19,467 --> 01:25:24,947
Speaker 3: inaugural Short Track Championships in the sixty meter hurdles, and

1601
01:25:25,027 --> 01:25:27,067
Speaker 3: if we get time, we'll get inside the Wellington Phoenix

1602
01:25:27,107 --> 01:25:30,347
Speaker 3: women's camp as well ahead of their match against Canberra tonight.

1603
01:25:30,427 --> 01:25:33,987
Speaker 3: But before any of that, we know you've been waiting,

1604
01:25:34,187 --> 01:25:36,907
Speaker 3: some of you anyway more patiently than others for this

1605
01:25:36,987 --> 01:25:40,107
Speaker 3: particular segment where we make sure that you are all

1606
01:25:40,187 --> 01:25:43,107
Speaker 3: caught up with the stuff that's happened over the last

1607
01:25:43,147 --> 01:25:46,827
Speaker 3: little while in cashamist and we start in the A League.

1608
01:25:47,347 --> 01:25:53,067
Speaker 3: Auckland FC looking good early away at Melbourne City last night.

1609
01:25:53,587 --> 01:25:57,387
Speaker 29: Jesse Randolph does well, it's a great bar for Lucky Brock.

1610
01:25:57,507 --> 01:26:01,107
Speaker 29: The little touch have gone number sex of the season

1611
01:26:01,227 --> 01:26:07,467
Speaker 29: for Lucky Brock. He cheeky little finish around Patrick Beach,

1612
01:26:07,787 --> 01:26:10,987
Speaker 29: Jesse Randall with the assess.

1613
01:26:10,827 --> 01:26:13,547
Speaker 3: So wonder ahead they went. But for the first time

1614
01:26:13,747 --> 01:26:17,907
Speaker 3: in their history Auckland the FC lost after going one

1615
01:26:17,987 --> 01:26:18,347
Speaker 3: mill up.

1616
01:26:18,467 --> 01:26:20,947
Speaker 29: I've had all the possession in the second half of

1617
01:26:21,107 --> 01:26:21,987
Speaker 29: seventy percent.

1618
01:26:23,187 --> 01:26:24,707
Speaker 3: That's a good board for Batch.

1619
01:26:25,507 --> 01:26:28,707
Speaker 29: He might get that yet Batch done so met in

1620
01:26:28,827 --> 01:26:31,907
Speaker 29: Mametti with his first goal of the season.

1621
01:26:32,347 --> 01:26:34,427
Speaker 5: He worked score a more simple.

1622
01:26:34,267 --> 01:26:37,187
Speaker 3: One so two one to Melbourne City. There staying in

1623
01:26:37,187 --> 01:26:40,867
Speaker 3: Australia and the Big Bash, the Sydney Derby, or as

1624
01:26:40,907 --> 01:26:45,107
Speaker 3: Andy's called it, the Sandpaper Derby. Plenty of fireworks a

1625
01:26:45,307 --> 01:26:47,667
Speaker 3: century to David Warner for the thunder.

1626
01:26:49,667 --> 01:26:50,907
Speaker 29: Centric Guana.

1627
01:26:54,267 --> 01:26:57,467
Speaker 3: Superb betting from the Little Master. Not enough though, as

1628
01:26:57,507 --> 01:27:00,267
Speaker 3: Steve Smith also tunned up to lead the Sixers to

1629
01:27:00,307 --> 01:27:01,147
Speaker 3: a five wicket win.

1630
01:27:02,747 --> 01:27:07,907
Speaker 29: Water preparance from this once in a gym neration super stuff.

1631
01:27:11,067 --> 01:27:14,267
Speaker 3: You have sensational from s David Smith gets a standing

1632
01:27:14,347 --> 01:27:18,147
Speaker 3: ovation and an our super smash CD bagging a double

1633
01:27:18,147 --> 01:27:23,547
Speaker 3: against Auckland. Dean Foxcroft leading the way for the Stags.

1634
01:27:23,547 --> 01:27:24,827
Speaker 5: Looked to way league side.

1635
01:27:25,307 --> 01:27:28,547
Speaker 26: He's got enough on that excellent timing the first one

1636
01:27:28,787 --> 01:27:30,667
Speaker 26: of the day into the harrisstand.

1637
01:27:33,787 --> 01:27:38,267
Speaker 3: Every He's up the fifty Foxcloth and Grace Scriven's nearly

1638
01:27:38,587 --> 01:27:40,667
Speaker 3: unplayable for the Hinds.

1639
01:27:41,547 --> 01:27:45,027
Speaker 21: Voter voter around her leagues looking to switch hat.

1640
01:27:45,427 --> 01:27:48,187
Speaker 30: Straight up and the catch is taken down.

1641
01:27:48,267 --> 01:27:49,147
Speaker 3: We'll have to go.

1642
01:27:51,147 --> 01:27:55,787
Speaker 30: Bold hit the top of off and Scrivens a sensational

1643
01:27:55,827 --> 01:28:00,027
Speaker 30: spell with the ball continued stumping off the last ball

1644
01:28:00,067 --> 01:28:03,747
Speaker 30: of the over. Scrivens has been near unplayable today.

1645
01:28:04,067 --> 01:28:07,747
Speaker 1: Analyzing every view from every end in the Sporting World.

1646
01:28:07,947 --> 01:28:10,067
Speaker 1: Weekend Sport with Jason H.

1647
01:28:10,187 --> 01:28:15,587
Speaker 3: Nicolls talks eNB twelve minutes past two one Weekend Sport.

1648
01:28:15,587 --> 01:28:18,827
Speaker 3: Thanks for joining US men's finals day at the ASB

1649
01:28:18,987 --> 01:28:25,067
Speaker 3: Tennis Classic, Mensik makes that one.

1650
01:28:25,187 --> 01:28:31,387
Speaker 20: This time six the ASP Classic third seed is through

1651
01:28:31,427 --> 01:28:33,787
Speaker 20: to the final and twenty twenty six.

1652
01:28:35,747 --> 01:28:40,507
Speaker 3: Jay Sebastian Bayas sixty one six four.

1653
01:28:41,547 --> 01:28:47,107
Speaker 31: Eventually makes his way through. He will meet Yaka Mensic

1654
01:28:47,147 --> 01:28:49,027
Speaker 31: tomorrow here on set A court.

1655
01:28:49,987 --> 01:28:51,267
Speaker 3: He's through to the decider.

1656
01:28:51,427 --> 01:28:51,627
Speaker 7: Here.

1657
01:28:51,667 --> 01:28:53,947
Speaker 3: There you go. Those are the semi finals yesterday. Seventh

1658
01:28:54,027 --> 01:28:57,827
Speaker 3: seed at Argentinian Sebastian Buyers up against rising check star

1659
01:28:58,267 --> 01:29:01,427
Speaker 3: the third seed Yakub Minshk in the decider. One of

1660
01:29:01,427 --> 01:29:05,467
Speaker 3: our best players ever, Michael Venus among his many achievements

1661
01:29:05,547 --> 01:29:10,507
Speaker 3: French Open doubles champion in twenty seventeen, Wimbledon doubles finalist

1662
01:29:10,587 --> 01:29:14,027
Speaker 3: the year after that, and bronze medalist at the twenty

1663
01:29:14,107 --> 01:29:16,947
Speaker 3: twenty one Olympics in Tokyo. He's been part of the

1664
01:29:16,947 --> 01:29:19,947
Speaker 3: Sky Sport commentary team this week and he joins us now. Michael,

1665
01:29:19,947 --> 01:29:21,787
Speaker 3: thanks for taking the time. This is shaping as a

1666
01:29:21,827 --> 01:29:27,107
Speaker 3: pretty intriguing final. Can you compare and contrast these two

1667
01:29:27,147 --> 01:29:27,867
Speaker 3: players for US?

1668
01:29:27,867 --> 01:29:31,947
Speaker 14: First of all, yeah, definitely Mensik. Obviously he's one of

1669
01:29:31,987 --> 01:29:35,307
Speaker 14: the rising players on the tour. The young guys. You know,

1670
01:29:35,347 --> 01:29:37,787
Speaker 14: he had a great year last year, especially winning the

1671
01:29:37,827 --> 01:29:42,587
Speaker 14: ATP Masters in Miami, and he's yeah, he's looked good

1672
01:29:42,627 --> 01:29:44,227
Speaker 14: this week. You see how he plays. He's got a

1673
01:29:44,227 --> 01:29:48,107
Speaker 14: massive serve, a lot of firepower, moves well. And then

1674
01:29:48,147 --> 01:29:53,827
Speaker 14: contrasts he's playing Sebastian Bays Argentinian. He moves very well,

1675
01:29:53,987 --> 01:29:57,947
Speaker 14: just an all court player, does everything very effectively, and

1676
01:29:58,027 --> 01:30:01,387
Speaker 14: he's come through some matches against some great players like

1677
01:30:01,427 --> 01:30:03,987
Speaker 14: Ben Shelton this week in straight sets. He won that

1678
01:30:04,027 --> 01:30:06,307
Speaker 14: semi final against Marcus Garron, who's had a great start

1679
01:30:06,547 --> 01:30:08,867
Speaker 14: to the year. So I think it's going to be

1680
01:30:08,867 --> 01:30:11,987
Speaker 14: some rarely entertaining points today and two guys who are

1681
01:30:12,267 --> 01:30:14,707
Speaker 14: obviously full of confidence, being in the final hair and

1682
01:30:14,747 --> 01:30:16,907
Speaker 14: looking to try and lift this title before heading over

1683
01:30:16,907 --> 01:30:17,547
Speaker 14: to Ozzie Open.

1684
01:30:17,827 --> 01:30:21,747
Speaker 3: Both of them had big days yesterday. Rain obviously threw

1685
01:30:21,907 --> 01:30:24,107
Speaker 3: a bit of chaos into the schedule. They both finished

1686
01:30:24,107 --> 01:30:27,987
Speaker 3: their quarter finals and played their semis yesterday. How big

1687
01:30:28,027 --> 01:30:32,627
Speaker 3: a factor will such a big Friday have on today's action.

1688
01:30:34,827 --> 01:30:36,227
Speaker 14: Yeah, I don't think too much.

1689
01:30:36,627 --> 01:30:37,187
Speaker 32: Physically.

1690
01:30:37,227 --> 01:30:39,747
Speaker 14: I think these guys are in great condition. You know,

1691
01:30:39,827 --> 01:30:42,587
Speaker 14: they are prepared to play best of five set matches

1692
01:30:42,627 --> 01:30:45,867
Speaker 14: next week and some serious heat over there if it

1693
01:30:45,907 --> 01:30:48,187
Speaker 14: turns out like that. So I think it's more the

1694
01:30:48,307 --> 01:30:51,867
Speaker 14: mental side. I think Thursday being such a long day

1695
01:30:51,867 --> 01:30:54,347
Speaker 14: with the rain, not sure if you're getting on off

1696
01:30:54,547 --> 01:30:58,627
Speaker 14: they started stopped, so it's just dealing with that, and

1697
01:30:58,667 --> 01:31:01,747
Speaker 14: then obviously the two matches yesterday. Mentally, you go out there,

1698
01:31:01,747 --> 01:31:03,627
Speaker 14: you're not sure how long that first match is going

1699
01:31:03,667 --> 01:31:06,147
Speaker 14: to be, you play that and then you've got to

1700
01:31:06,187 --> 01:31:09,587
Speaker 14: re set quite quickly, change the mindset for the next match,

1701
01:31:09,627 --> 01:31:13,147
Speaker 14: be prepared for that, and then go again. So I

1702
01:31:13,147 --> 01:31:16,187
Speaker 14: think it's more going to be a mental freshness that

1703
01:31:16,227 --> 01:31:19,427
Speaker 14: they'll be looking for. I think physically there'll be no

1704
01:31:19,467 --> 01:31:20,227
Speaker 14: issues at all there.

1705
01:31:20,627 --> 01:31:24,227
Speaker 3: Minsik is the third youngest finalist in Auckland this century,

1706
01:31:24,387 --> 01:31:28,747
Speaker 3: only just turned twenty. What do you predict for his future?

1707
01:31:31,627 --> 01:31:34,067
Speaker 14: Yeah, he looks like a lot of these young guys

1708
01:31:34,067 --> 01:31:36,987
Speaker 14: in this next generation. They have so much firepower, but

1709
01:31:37,027 --> 01:31:40,467
Speaker 14: not only that, they all move so well, So it

1710
01:31:40,627 --> 01:31:43,987
Speaker 14: just it's really hard to one start the point in

1711
01:31:44,587 --> 01:31:48,347
Speaker 14: even a neutral position against those guys, and then from there,

1712
01:31:48,707 --> 01:31:51,107
Speaker 14: even if you're able to, they're able to just defend

1713
01:31:51,107 --> 01:31:52,787
Speaker 14: and make you even play even more balls. And you

1714
01:31:52,907 --> 01:31:56,507
Speaker 14: have to play four good shots, you know, to finish

1715
01:31:56,587 --> 01:31:59,907
Speaker 14: the point. So I think he's got a whole lot

1716
01:31:59,947 --> 01:32:02,387
Speaker 14: of upside and you can see that with the results

1717
01:32:02,387 --> 01:32:05,827
Speaker 14: he's already had, and you know, I wouldn't be surprised

1718
01:32:06,027 --> 01:32:08,587
Speaker 14: in the few years as he keeps developing and improving

1719
01:32:09,227 --> 01:32:11,107
Speaker 14: to see him up in the top ten and then

1720
01:32:11,107 --> 01:32:13,267
Speaker 14: from there, who knows what's possible.

1721
01:32:13,587 --> 01:32:16,627
Speaker 3: We lost second seed in world number thirteen, Caspar Rude

1722
01:32:16,627 --> 01:32:19,227
Speaker 3: in the round of sixteen. It was only well, it

1723
01:32:19,267 --> 01:32:21,867
Speaker 3: was his only match of the tournament after he had

1724
01:32:21,867 --> 01:32:25,467
Speaker 3: a first round by disappointing. What did you make of

1725
01:32:25,627 --> 01:32:27,547
Speaker 3: Caspar Root's early exit.

1726
01:32:30,267 --> 01:32:33,187
Speaker 14: Yeah, I mean obviously Casper will be disappointed with that

1727
01:32:33,267 --> 01:32:38,267
Speaker 14: result heading over to Australia. I think we've seen with

1728
01:32:38,307 --> 01:32:41,907
Speaker 14: Casper he's obviously a great player. With his game style,

1729
01:32:41,987 --> 01:32:45,067
Speaker 14: he tends to need a little bit more time so

1730
01:32:45,107 --> 01:32:47,627
Speaker 14: he's able to really set up behind the ball and

1731
01:32:47,747 --> 01:32:51,107
Speaker 14: use the spin that he has. Sometimes on these faster

1732
01:32:51,187 --> 01:32:54,587
Speaker 14: courts like we have here, the ball just shoots through

1733
01:32:54,627 --> 01:32:56,667
Speaker 14: a bit quicker and it's really hard to get behind

1734
01:32:56,667 --> 01:33:00,947
Speaker 14: it and use that spin. And I think sometimes just

1735
01:33:00,987 --> 01:33:06,227
Speaker 14: the conditions, it's really tough for a player of his

1736
01:33:06,427 --> 01:33:11,707
Speaker 14: style to really get his teeth in it and do well.

1737
01:33:11,747 --> 01:33:13,147
Speaker 32: And I think maybe.

1738
01:33:12,907 --> 01:33:16,187
Speaker 14: If he could have got through that first match, potentially

1739
01:33:17,307 --> 01:33:18,987
Speaker 14: maybe it could have built some confidence that he could

1740
01:33:19,027 --> 01:33:21,547
Speaker 14: have found a way, but it seems yeah, just early

1741
01:33:21,587 --> 01:33:23,307
Speaker 14: on he struggled a little bit here.

1742
01:33:23,987 --> 01:33:26,267
Speaker 3: What have you made of the overall standard of the tournament,

1743
01:33:26,307 --> 01:33:30,187
Speaker 3: the means tournament this year, Michael, Yeah.

1744
01:33:30,027 --> 01:33:33,667
Speaker 14: Obviously there's been some big names here. You know, having

1745
01:33:33,667 --> 01:33:38,067
Speaker 14: Ben Shelton back, he's great player. You have Monfe's back

1746
01:33:38,147 --> 01:33:41,267
Speaker 14: for you know, his last year on tour. So yeah,

1747
01:33:41,267 --> 01:33:44,067
Speaker 14: there's been some really exciting players, some different players. Petty

1748
01:33:44,147 --> 01:33:47,107
Speaker 14: Pericard one of the biggest serves on tour. And then

1749
01:33:47,107 --> 01:33:50,267
Speaker 14: you've got a bunch of guys who you know moving

1750
01:33:50,347 --> 01:33:54,147
Speaker 14: wild Bays. You know, Casper has a different style. If

1751
01:33:54,147 --> 01:33:57,627
Speaker 14: he had played a little bit better or got through

1752
01:33:57,627 --> 01:34:00,547
Speaker 14: some matches, that would have provided some good contrast also,

1753
01:34:02,067 --> 01:34:03,507
Speaker 14: and then you see some guys who have come through

1754
01:34:03,587 --> 01:34:05,427
Speaker 14: qualifying and done well. I think it just shows the

1755
01:34:05,507 --> 01:34:09,347
Speaker 14: level of the ATP, how deep it goes, and how

1756
01:34:09,547 --> 01:34:11,987
Speaker 14: it really depends on the day how guys are feeling

1757
01:34:12,027 --> 01:34:14,947
Speaker 14: in that. But there's so little in these matches anyone

1758
01:34:14,987 --> 01:34:17,667
Speaker 14: can win, and it's I think it's a great sign

1759
01:34:17,667 --> 01:34:18,147
Speaker 14: for tennis.

1760
01:34:18,547 --> 01:34:20,427
Speaker 3: Just quick look ahead to the Aussie Open over the

1761
01:34:20,427 --> 01:34:23,267
Speaker 3: next fortnight. It feels like in the mean singles we're

1762
01:34:23,307 --> 01:34:27,107
Speaker 3: on track for another installment of Carlos Alcarez against Jannick Cinner.

1763
01:34:27,147 --> 01:34:29,467
Speaker 3: Does that feel like the most likely outcome in a

1764
01:34:29,507 --> 01:34:30,587
Speaker 3: fortnight or so from now?

1765
01:34:33,067 --> 01:34:33,347
Speaker 7: Yeah?

1766
01:34:33,427 --> 01:34:33,907
Speaker 25: I think so.

1767
01:34:34,027 --> 01:34:37,427
Speaker 14: I think it's really hard to look past those guys,

1768
01:34:37,427 --> 01:34:42,187
Speaker 14: just how dominant I've been, And again it's just the

1769
01:34:42,307 --> 01:34:46,227
Speaker 14: quality of ball striking off both sides, backed up by

1770
01:34:46,267 --> 01:34:48,947
Speaker 14: their movement. It just seems like to get past them

1771
01:34:48,987 --> 01:34:51,067
Speaker 14: and just to even when the point that guys are

1772
01:34:51,067 --> 01:34:53,707
Speaker 14: having to work so hard and then the thought of

1773
01:34:53,787 --> 01:34:56,707
Speaker 14: having to do that consistently over five sets to beat

1774
01:34:56,707 --> 01:34:59,507
Speaker 14: those guys, I just find it hard to see anyone

1775
01:35:00,427 --> 01:35:03,827
Speaker 14: being able to do that. But that's the beauty of sport.

1776
01:35:04,067 --> 01:35:06,947
Speaker 14: You never know what's going to happen. Let's see if

1777
01:35:06,947 --> 01:35:09,267
Speaker 14: something changes over there. But if it doesn't, I'm sure

1778
01:35:09,267 --> 01:35:10,747
Speaker 14: that would be an unbelievable final.

1779
01:35:10,867 --> 01:35:15,307
Speaker 3: Yeah, another in another installment in the burgeoning rivalry. All right,

1780
01:35:15,347 --> 01:35:18,187
Speaker 3: Michael to finish bayears Menshick. I don't think they've ever

1781
01:35:18,187 --> 01:35:20,467
Speaker 3: played one another, so we've got no frame of reference.

1782
01:35:20,827 --> 01:35:25,267
Speaker 3: Who have you got this afternoon? Yeah, I think it's

1783
01:35:25,267 --> 01:35:26,227
Speaker 3: going to be a tight match.

1784
01:35:26,267 --> 01:35:32,187
Speaker 14: But after seeing Bayers play yesterday how he dispatched Ben Shelton,

1785
01:35:32,907 --> 01:35:35,307
Speaker 14: big servant and he was able to get into points

1786
01:35:35,347 --> 01:35:38,707
Speaker 14: and win that match in straight sets. And then also

1787
01:35:38,787 --> 01:35:41,347
Speaker 14: seeing how well he played in the afternoon about against

1788
01:35:41,827 --> 01:35:45,307
Speaker 14: Marcus Garon, I think if he brings that level today,

1789
01:35:45,387 --> 01:35:47,467
Speaker 14: I see him lifting that title here.

1790
01:35:47,827 --> 01:35:50,627
Speaker 3: I've really enjoyed your coverage on Sky across the tournament. Michael,

1791
01:35:50,667 --> 01:35:52,867
Speaker 3: thanks for joining us with your analysis this afternoon. Really

1792
01:35:52,867 --> 01:35:53,507
Speaker 3: appreciate it.

1793
01:35:53,867 --> 01:35:54,747
Speaker 14: Thanks mate, Have we go on?

1794
01:35:54,867 --> 01:35:57,227
Speaker 3: You have a got one too, Michael Venus one of

1795
01:35:57,267 --> 01:36:00,187
Speaker 3: the Sky Sport commentary team of the ASB Classics. So

1796
01:36:00,707 --> 01:36:03,787
Speaker 3: we'll keep eyes on Sebastian Bayers against at Yakub but

1797
01:36:03,867 --> 01:36:07,987
Speaker 3: Mensik in the final Aussie Open start tomorrow. Just having

1798
01:36:07,987 --> 01:36:10,227
Speaker 3: a look at the day session, in fact, the first

1799
01:36:10,227 --> 01:36:14,347
Speaker 3: session day and night. Alexander Zverev is an action tomorrow,

1800
01:36:14,387 --> 01:36:18,107
Speaker 3: the third seed on Rod Arena part of the day

1801
01:36:18,227 --> 01:36:23,347
Speaker 3: session and the top two seeds in the women's and

1802
01:36:23,387 --> 01:36:27,547
Speaker 3: men's respectively Arena Sabolenka and Carlos el Karez, both in

1803
01:36:27,627 --> 01:36:31,907
Speaker 3: action on Night one on rod Lavor Arena. You'd have

1804
01:36:31,947 --> 01:36:34,627
Speaker 3: to think that they'll go through fairly comfortably, being the

1805
01:36:34,627 --> 01:36:37,987
Speaker 3: top seeds and all of that. But cracking straight into it.

1806
01:36:38,027 --> 01:36:40,667
Speaker 3: I said to Jack Chamberfore twelve when we had a

1807
01:36:41,067 --> 01:36:43,467
Speaker 3: brief on air chat. I mean, I'm not the biggest

1808
01:36:43,507 --> 01:36:46,147
Speaker 3: tennis fan in the world, but I really do enjoy

1809
01:36:46,187 --> 01:36:48,627
Speaker 3: the Aussie Open just having it on. It seems like

1810
01:36:48,627 --> 01:36:50,947
Speaker 3: it's on all the time. It's the good thing about,

1811
01:36:51,027 --> 01:36:52,787
Speaker 3: you know, being just across the Tasman. It kind of

1812
01:36:52,787 --> 01:36:55,827
Speaker 3: starts at early afternoon our time and it just goes

1813
01:36:55,867 --> 01:36:57,907
Speaker 3: into the night and sometimes into the early hours of

1814
01:36:57,947 --> 01:36:59,867
Speaker 3: the morning as well. So have you flicking around the

1815
01:36:59,907 --> 01:37:01,987
Speaker 3: channels and there's nothing else on you could it was

1816
01:37:02,067 --> 01:37:05,067
Speaker 3: just Land on the tennis. It's almost quite therapeutic the

1817
01:37:06,067 --> 01:37:08,827
Speaker 3: the sounds of the Aussie Open in the background. Those

1818
01:37:08,947 --> 01:37:13,627
Speaker 3: unbelievable temperatures it was forty I see forty seven degrees

1819
01:37:13,627 --> 01:37:20,547
Speaker 3: in Melbourne the other week, Absolutely crazy temperatures. Anyway, football shortly,

1820
01:37:20,667 --> 01:37:24,587
Speaker 3: but Auckland FC's next home game is next Saturday afternoon,

1821
01:37:24,627 --> 01:37:27,107
Speaker 3: a week today five o'clock Go Media Stadium they take

1822
01:37:27,147 --> 01:37:28,947
Speaker 3: on the Central Coast marin Is.

1823
01:37:28,947 --> 01:37:29,067
Speaker 30: Now.

1824
01:37:29,107 --> 01:37:32,067
Speaker 3: I think it's Auckland Anniversary weekend next weekend. In fact,

1825
01:37:32,067 --> 01:37:33,587
Speaker 3: I know that it is. If you're going to be

1826
01:37:33,627 --> 01:37:35,787
Speaker 3: in Auckland across the weekend and you'd like to go

1827
01:37:35,827 --> 01:37:39,387
Speaker 3: along to this game, I've got a six ticket family

1828
01:37:39,467 --> 01:37:42,427
Speaker 3: pass up for grabs. We cannot get you to Auckland.

1829
01:37:42,427 --> 01:37:44,027
Speaker 3: We cannot get you to the game, but we can

1830
01:37:44,067 --> 01:37:47,747
Speaker 3: get you and five others into the game. If you

1831
01:37:47,787 --> 01:37:50,067
Speaker 3: would like to be in the draw to win this

1832
01:37:50,387 --> 01:37:54,147
Speaker 3: six ticket family pass to watch Auckland FC played the

1833
01:37:54,187 --> 01:37:58,147
Speaker 3: Central Coast to marin Is next Saturday, simply text AFC

1834
01:37:58,867 --> 01:38:01,507
Speaker 3: and your name to nine two nine two. Simple as that,

1835
01:38:01,827 --> 01:38:04,867
Speaker 3: AFC and your name send it off to nine two

1836
01:38:04,987 --> 01:38:07,027
Speaker 3: nine two and you're in the draw. That draw early

1837
01:38:07,027 --> 01:38:08,227
Speaker 3: in the week and let you know if you're the

1838
01:38:08,427 --> 01:38:12,827
Speaker 3: lucky winner. Speaking of football, it's a new dawn, a

1839
01:38:12,827 --> 01:38:18,307
Speaker 3: new era of professional football. The inaugural Oceania Pro League

1840
01:38:18,707 --> 01:38:21,347
Speaker 3: kicks off at Eden Park this afternoon. In fact, we're

1841
01:38:21,347 --> 01:38:23,987
Speaker 3: only about forty minutes away from kickoff. In the first game,

1842
01:38:24,347 --> 01:38:28,707
Speaker 3: Buller FC out of Fiji up against Vandawatu United FC

1843
01:38:29,147 --> 01:38:32,667
Speaker 3: Stars signing for Baller FC and football legend around these

1844
01:38:32,707 --> 01:38:35,387
Speaker 3: parts Roy Krishna going to join us for a chat

1845
01:38:35,427 --> 01:38:35,987
Speaker 3: right after this.

1846
01:38:37,427 --> 01:38:41,187
Speaker 1: The big issues on and after Fields Call eight hundred

1847
01:38:41,267 --> 01:38:44,707
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty Weekends forward with Jason Fain and GJ.

1848
01:38:44,867 --> 01:38:48,787
Speaker 1: Gunnerhomes New Zealand's most trusted homilder News talks at Baby.

1849
01:38:49,267 --> 01:38:52,547
Speaker 3: Coming up to twenty six, Oceania will finally have its

1850
01:38:52,587 --> 01:38:57,147
Speaker 3: first professional football league. The OFC Pro League kicks off

1851
01:38:57,187 --> 01:39:01,427
Speaker 3: at Eden Park this afternoon. All eight competing clubs will

1852
01:39:01,427 --> 01:39:04,627
Speaker 3: play three matches in six days during the first round

1853
01:39:04,787 --> 01:39:08,467
Speaker 3: of the competition in Auckland. There'll be seventy two matches

1854
01:39:08,587 --> 01:39:12,147
Speaker 3: during the competition's inaugural season, with the league returning to

1855
01:39:12,267 --> 01:39:16,347
Speaker 3: Auckland for finals in May. The opening match this afternoon

1856
01:39:16,427 --> 01:39:21,147
Speaker 3: is between Buller FC out of Fiji and Vanawatu United

1857
01:39:21,507 --> 01:39:25,787
Speaker 3: FC Stars signing for Buller FC. Markey player for the

1858
01:39:25,947 --> 01:39:32,667
Speaker 3: entire competition is Fiji. In football legend Roy Krishna.

1859
01:39:31,227 --> 01:39:35,427
Speaker 31: And please Roy Krishna. Opportunity here for Ry Krishna. Pick

1860
01:39:35,507 --> 01:39:42,227
Speaker 31: the kipper right Krishna Magic from Roy Krishna. That's why

1861
01:39:42,827 --> 01:39:46,027
Speaker 31: you have number nine in the back of your shirt.

1862
01:39:46,947 --> 01:39:51,747
Speaker 31: That is the meaning of number nine. One moment of brilliance,

1863
01:39:52,267 --> 01:39:53,507
Speaker 31: right Krishna.

1864
01:39:53,547 --> 01:39:57,827
Speaker 3: Roy Krishna, the Fiji national teams all time leading goal scorer,

1865
01:39:58,067 --> 01:40:01,947
Speaker 3: a fan favorite during his time with Wellington Phoenix of course,

1866
01:40:02,067 --> 01:40:05,987
Speaker 3: and now the marquee player for Buller FC. Roy Krishna

1867
01:40:06,027 --> 01:40:08,267
Speaker 3: as well us well, thanks for joining us, Mike. Great

1868
01:40:08,307 --> 01:40:10,107
Speaker 3: to get the chance to check you again. How special

1869
01:40:10,187 --> 01:40:14,027
Speaker 3: is it to come home and play professional football for

1870
01:40:14,227 --> 01:40:15,627
Speaker 3: a Fiji inside.

1871
01:40:17,027 --> 01:40:20,987
Speaker 4: First of all, thank you, paying Happy New Year, and yeah,

1872
01:40:21,147 --> 01:40:25,547
Speaker 4: I think I'm just excited, happy and blessed to be home,

1873
01:40:25,747 --> 01:40:29,747
Speaker 4: especially you know, playing for our first club in a

1874
01:40:30,667 --> 01:40:34,267
Speaker 4: professional environment. So I'm just excited and very happy.

1875
01:40:34,067 --> 01:40:36,867
Speaker 3: When the opportunity was presented to you. Was it a

1876
01:40:36,947 --> 01:40:39,387
Speaker 3: fairly easy one to say yes too?

1877
01:40:41,467 --> 01:40:48,147
Speaker 4: Yes when they used kind of my little one, But yeah,

1878
01:40:48,187 --> 01:40:50,787
Speaker 4: I was just home, you know, way I've been a

1879
01:40:50,827 --> 01:40:53,427
Speaker 4: way to India for a while and then you're coming home.

1880
01:40:53,587 --> 01:40:56,627
Speaker 4: I think my little one is growing, so you know,

1881
01:40:56,747 --> 01:40:58,787
Speaker 4: she was the ones like thatdy I want you around.

1882
01:40:59,027 --> 01:41:01,907
Speaker 4: She's four, but you know she can talk, so yeah,

1883
01:41:02,027 --> 01:41:05,347
Speaker 4: I think it was not just on me. I think

1884
01:41:05,427 --> 01:41:08,907
Speaker 4: also I needed the coach if he's you know, if

1885
01:41:08,947 --> 01:41:12,627
Speaker 4: he's the things that he wanted me, the way he

1886
01:41:12,667 --> 01:41:15,507
Speaker 4: wants me to play, or was fitting his system, there

1887
01:41:15,587 --> 01:41:18,267
Speaker 4: was the other key factor that you know, he approached

1888
01:41:18,267 --> 01:41:21,507
Speaker 4: me and everything from there onwards was on on the

1889
01:41:21,547 --> 01:41:22,187
Speaker 4: austral Line.

1890
01:41:22,227 --> 01:41:24,787
Speaker 5: So yeah, I think I'm just excited and.

1891
01:41:24,787 --> 01:41:27,027
Speaker 4: Happy that I got the opportunity, you know, to be

1892
01:41:27,107 --> 01:41:28,347
Speaker 4: at home and to play.

1893
01:41:28,147 --> 01:41:28,667
Speaker 10: For my club.

1894
01:41:29,147 --> 01:41:32,107
Speaker 3: How big is the Ocean Pro League for the game

1895
01:41:32,147 --> 01:41:36,507
Speaker 3: of football and Ocean but specifically in Fiji, to show

1896
01:41:37,067 --> 01:41:39,907
Speaker 3: young Fijian players that there was a pathway to a

1897
01:41:39,987 --> 01:41:41,307
Speaker 3: professional football for them.

1898
01:41:42,427 --> 01:41:43,347
Speaker 5: He's a huge punny.

1899
01:41:43,347 --> 01:41:48,547
Speaker 4: He's huge because you know, we as a Austania or Ophigian,

1900
01:41:48,627 --> 01:41:52,187
Speaker 4: you know, we be waiting for these opportunities and you

1901
01:41:52,227 --> 01:41:57,867
Speaker 4: know you're struggling to get it in a leagues. If

1902
01:41:57,947 --> 01:42:00,547
Speaker 4: you're talking about me, it took me a while to

1903
01:42:00,707 --> 01:42:03,507
Speaker 4: get a professional club. So you know, now having something

1904
01:42:03,547 --> 01:42:05,987
Speaker 4: in the backyard, I think it's a great platform, you know,

1905
01:42:06,387 --> 01:42:09,387
Speaker 4: And yeah, it's not up to the the young players,

1906
01:42:09,387 --> 01:42:11,547
Speaker 4: not just from Fiji, from Oceania to you know, if

1907
01:42:11,547 --> 01:42:15,027
Speaker 4: they want to play professional you know, it's a great opportunity.

1908
01:42:14,867 --> 01:42:17,947
Speaker 3: And what an opportunity for them, the players and the

1909
01:42:17,987 --> 01:42:20,267
Speaker 3: bullet team to learn from you. How keen are you

1910
01:42:20,387 --> 01:42:23,667
Speaker 3: to show the younger players in your team what is

1911
01:42:23,747 --> 01:42:25,707
Speaker 3: required to be a professional player.

1912
01:42:26,907 --> 01:42:29,627
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you know, for me, you know, whatever

1913
01:42:29,747 --> 01:42:32,987
Speaker 4: experience i've I've gained overseas, it's time for pretty much

1914
01:42:33,027 --> 01:42:36,467
Speaker 4: to give back to the to the young Fijians. And

1915
01:42:36,467 --> 01:42:38,587
Speaker 4: you know, the good thing from these young boys are there,

1916
01:42:38,707 --> 01:42:42,187
Speaker 4: they are learning. They're learning, so you know, for me,

1917
01:42:42,227 --> 01:42:44,147
Speaker 4: it's makes my work easy.

1918
01:42:45,747 --> 01:42:49,547
Speaker 5: But yeah, I think you know, on the right track,

1919
01:42:50,147 --> 01:42:52,987
Speaker 5: you know. And yeah, you just can't wait for the weekend.

1920
01:42:53,147 --> 01:42:55,667
Speaker 3: Well it sounds like this high excitement in the background there.

1921
01:42:56,667 --> 01:42:59,867
Speaker 3: It sounds like your baller reps boys are just about

1922
01:42:59,907 --> 01:43:02,547
Speaker 3: ready to go. How how has it been sent you

1923
01:43:02,627 --> 01:43:03,987
Speaker 3: since you came together as a.

1924
01:43:03,867 --> 01:43:07,547
Speaker 4: Team, since I joined the boys, I kind of watched

1925
01:43:07,587 --> 01:43:10,427
Speaker 4: them from outside. You know, they've been doing a lot

1926
01:43:10,467 --> 01:43:13,467
Speaker 4: of running for them. You know, this is something new.

1927
01:43:14,107 --> 01:43:17,067
Speaker 4: But you know they don't give up. You know, there's

1928
01:43:17,107 --> 01:43:19,267
Speaker 4: the mentality of the Fijians. And I also give credit

1929
01:43:19,307 --> 01:43:22,627
Speaker 4: to the foreign boys that have come. You know, they

1930
01:43:22,707 --> 01:43:25,667
Speaker 4: don't you know, there's no excuses. You know, we're going

1931
01:43:25,707 --> 01:43:28,067
Speaker 4: to play in the Islands as well, so they're getting

1932
01:43:28,107 --> 01:43:31,507
Speaker 4: used to the heat. But I'm surprising, you know, very

1933
01:43:31,627 --> 01:43:34,187
Speaker 4: excited because you know, the young boys are you know,

1934
01:43:34,507 --> 01:43:35,387
Speaker 4: on the right track.

1935
01:43:35,467 --> 01:43:36,627
Speaker 5: They have a right mindset.

1936
01:43:37,347 --> 01:43:39,787
Speaker 4: I'm just telling them, you know, just discipline, you know

1937
01:43:39,867 --> 01:43:41,947
Speaker 4: what to do off the field, because we just playing

1938
01:43:41,987 --> 01:43:44,747
Speaker 4: ninety minutes on the field. It's just a matter of fact.

1939
01:43:44,787 --> 01:43:46,707
Speaker 4: The thin line is what you do outside the field.

1940
01:43:46,707 --> 01:43:48,667
Speaker 4: You know, how much rest you get, what you eat,

1941
01:43:48,747 --> 01:43:49,267
Speaker 4: you know, how.

1942
01:43:49,147 --> 01:43:50,827
Speaker 5: You look after their body. But the boys are on

1943
01:43:50,867 --> 01:43:51,387
Speaker 5: the right track.

1944
01:43:51,547 --> 01:43:54,227
Speaker 3: They're very fortunate to have you around the competition, as

1945
01:43:54,267 --> 01:43:57,547
Speaker 3: you say, moves around the region or on this way,

1946
01:43:57,627 --> 01:44:00,427
Speaker 3: can then pap on New Gueney, Australia, the Solomons and

1947
01:44:00,467 --> 01:44:03,587
Speaker 3: then in April all like tam for play and Faye

1948
01:44:03,667 --> 01:44:05,947
Speaker 3: j How special is that weaken before.

1949
01:44:05,667 --> 01:44:07,547
Speaker 5: You for us?

1950
01:44:07,707 --> 01:44:10,147
Speaker 4: I think you know, we are excited, but you know,

1951
01:44:10,187 --> 01:44:12,347
Speaker 4: I'm just happy for the people of Fiji, you know,

1952
01:44:12,547 --> 01:44:16,307
Speaker 4: to to kind of feel and you know, to see

1953
01:44:16,707 --> 01:44:20,907
Speaker 4: in life, you know, the professional games. So yeah, I'm

1954
01:44:20,947 --> 01:44:24,187
Speaker 4: excited for the people of Fiji, and you can see

1955
01:44:24,227 --> 01:44:27,227
Speaker 4: we're already getting support, you know, back at home and

1956
01:44:27,547 --> 01:44:30,147
Speaker 4: of course you know coming to Auckland. You know, there

1957
01:44:30,187 --> 01:44:32,947
Speaker 4: is a huge Fijian community and I hope and I

1958
01:44:32,987 --> 01:44:34,867
Speaker 4: pray they come out in numbers because we need the

1959
01:44:34,907 --> 01:44:35,387
Speaker 4: twelve men.

1960
01:44:35,587 --> 01:44:38,307
Speaker 3: Absolutely they will. And I noticed on the squad list

1961
01:44:38,347 --> 01:44:41,707
Speaker 3: you're gonna wear the number twenty one for Ballo reps

1962
01:44:41,987 --> 01:44:44,987
Speaker 3: signed number. You want the FINEX breaking records, Dawn.

1963
01:44:45,307 --> 01:44:45,507
Speaker 7: Was it?

1964
01:44:45,587 --> 01:44:47,267
Speaker 3: Was it deliberate? Was that the number you wanted?

1965
01:44:48,267 --> 01:44:52,707
Speaker 4: Yes, I think you know, I've I've I wanted. It's

1966
01:44:52,827 --> 01:44:55,027
Speaker 4: very special, especially because you know you're being in a

1967
01:44:55,067 --> 01:44:58,027
Speaker 4: professional environment. You wanted a small number. But you know,

1968
01:44:58,107 --> 01:45:00,387
Speaker 4: I had to end the twenty one because when when

1969
01:45:00,427 --> 01:45:02,827
Speaker 4: you look at number twenty one at Welling in Phoenix,

1970
01:45:02,867 --> 01:45:04,827
Speaker 4: you know there's some huge players.

1971
01:45:04,467 --> 01:45:06,867
Speaker 5: That we're wearing that. So it's very s to me,

1972
01:45:07,067 --> 01:45:07,307
Speaker 5: you know.

1973
01:45:08,467 --> 01:45:10,987
Speaker 4: But yeah, I think when I when I play national

1974
01:45:10,987 --> 01:45:14,467
Speaker 4: team it's nine, but professional twenty one and I look

1975
01:45:14,547 --> 01:45:15,467
Speaker 4: like to anyone anyway.

1976
01:45:15,507 --> 01:45:20,267
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's such a right, such a right, absolutely.

1977
01:45:20,547 --> 01:45:22,267
Speaker 3: I mean you've been you've been gone from the AE

1978
01:45:22,307 --> 01:45:25,147
Speaker 3: League for a while now, your last season twenty eighteen nineteen.

1979
01:45:25,187 --> 01:45:27,707
Speaker 3: You've been in India in the time since, But how

1980
01:45:27,707 --> 01:45:30,507
Speaker 3: do you look back on your time in Wellington one

1981
01:45:30,547 --> 01:45:33,347
Speaker 3: hundred and twenty two games, club record, fifty one goals.

1982
01:45:33,547 --> 01:45:35,147
Speaker 3: No one's going to pay that. How do you how

1983
01:45:35,187 --> 01:45:36,667
Speaker 3: do you remember your time in Wellington?

1984
01:45:37,747 --> 01:45:40,147
Speaker 4: Oh, Wellington plays is huge, but you know it's a

1985
01:45:40,187 --> 01:45:43,587
Speaker 4: special part. You know, first professional club gave me the

1986
01:45:43,587 --> 01:45:46,627
Speaker 4: opportunity to be to have a taste of professional environment,

1987
01:45:46,707 --> 01:45:49,987
Speaker 4: so you know, always special. But like plining this, you know,

1988
01:45:50,107 --> 01:45:52,547
Speaker 4: these all these records, you know, will hit me when

1989
01:45:52,587 --> 01:45:56,187
Speaker 4: I retire. Right now, I'm I know, I feel still young.

1990
01:45:56,267 --> 01:45:58,387
Speaker 4: You know, my body is feeling good, you know, coming

1991
01:45:58,467 --> 01:46:01,347
Speaker 4: back from a major injury. You know, I know I

1992
01:46:01,507 --> 01:46:04,187
Speaker 4: learned a lot, you know, and my body is feeling good.

1993
01:46:04,267 --> 01:46:07,907
Speaker 4: So yeah, I'm just enjoying a moment of it because I.

1994
01:46:07,827 --> 01:46:09,627
Speaker 5: Know it's not long to go.

1995
01:46:09,747 --> 01:46:12,747
Speaker 4: But yeah, I'm just gonna enjoy my moment every day

1996
01:46:12,787 --> 01:46:15,467
Speaker 4: waking up, you know, just go and play football, which

1997
01:46:15,467 --> 01:46:18,267
Speaker 4: I love. But all these memories, all these records will

1998
01:46:18,347 --> 01:46:20,267
Speaker 4: hit me when I when I retire, and you know,

1999
01:46:20,427 --> 01:46:23,307
Speaker 4: so right now, I'm just focusing on my football career.

2000
01:46:23,427 --> 01:46:23,627
Speaker 6: Yeah.

2001
01:46:23,627 --> 01:46:25,627
Speaker 3: Well that's that feels to me like it might be

2002
01:46:25,667 --> 01:46:27,307
Speaker 3: a way way off. Yet you still look like you're

2003
01:46:27,307 --> 01:46:29,707
Speaker 3: twenty one from what I can see, so there might

2004
01:46:29,747 --> 01:46:31,947
Speaker 3: be a few more years left with Baller f C.

2005
01:46:32,147 --> 01:46:34,547
Speaker 3: Roy all the best for the first game and in

2006
01:46:35,067 --> 01:46:37,627
Speaker 3: fact for the first season of the Oceania Pro League.

2007
01:46:37,667 --> 01:46:39,227
Speaker 3: Can't wait to see how you go and look forward

2008
01:46:39,227 --> 01:46:40,267
Speaker 3: to catching up again soon.

2009
01:46:40,907 --> 01:46:42,747
Speaker 5: Thank you Paney. It was a pleasure talking to you met.

2010
01:46:43,107 --> 01:46:45,747
Speaker 3: Always a pleasure talking to you to Roy. Roy Krishna

2011
01:46:46,547 --> 01:46:49,307
Speaker 3: from Buller FC. They played the first game in the

2012
01:46:49,307 --> 01:46:52,827
Speaker 3: Oceania Pro League, Eden Park this afternoon three o'clock kickoff

2013
01:46:52,827 --> 01:46:54,747
Speaker 3: against Wanawatu U not at FC. No wonder that I

2014
01:46:54,787 --> 01:46:56,827
Speaker 3: was so loud in the background getting ready for the game.

2015
01:46:56,827 --> 01:47:00,667
Speaker 3: Auckland FC up against South Island United seven o'clock tonight.

2016
01:47:00,707 --> 01:47:05,747
Speaker 3: In tomorrow, Tahita United against South Melbourne and Heikkari FC

2017
01:47:05,947 --> 01:47:08,787
Speaker 3: at a pub, New Guinea up against the Solomon Kings

2018
01:47:09,147 --> 01:47:12,427
Speaker 3: from the Solomon Islands. Those are the eight sides taking

2019
01:47:12,467 --> 01:47:16,067
Speaker 3: part in the inaugural season of the Oceania Pro League,

2020
01:47:16,387 --> 01:47:21,547
Speaker 3: the first fully fledged professional football league in the Oceania Confederation.

2021
01:47:22,027 --> 01:47:24,827
Speaker 3: Speaking of football or Wellington Phoenix Women back in action tonight.

2022
01:47:24,867 --> 01:47:28,267
Speaker 3: They take on second place Canberra in Canberra from seven

2023
01:47:28,467 --> 01:47:30,987
Speaker 3: thirty tonight in New Zealand time. A win would take

2024
01:47:31,027 --> 01:47:33,507
Speaker 3: the Phoenix back into the top six after they lost

2025
01:47:33,947 --> 01:47:37,387
Speaker 3: last weekend. I spoke with Wellington Phoenix goalkeeper Vic Essen

2026
01:47:37,547 --> 01:47:40,107
Speaker 3: during the week to find out how the she thought

2027
01:47:40,147 --> 01:47:43,107
Speaker 3: the team was placed nine games into the A League

2028
01:47:43,107 --> 01:47:43,827
Speaker 3: Women's season.

2029
01:47:44,827 --> 01:47:47,827
Speaker 26: I think overall good. I think it's been a bit

2030
01:47:47,827 --> 01:47:49,947
Speaker 26: of a max bagger results. You know, some draw someone,

2031
01:47:50,067 --> 01:47:52,707
Speaker 26: some losses. I think what we're really looking for is

2032
01:47:52,747 --> 01:47:56,307
Speaker 26: that consistency at home and on the road as well.

2033
01:47:56,387 --> 01:47:58,427
Speaker 26: So yeah, I definitely think we're in a good place,

2034
01:47:58,547 --> 01:48:01,027
Speaker 26: but we need to keep pushing forward and just trying

2035
01:48:01,027 --> 01:48:02,867
Speaker 26: to make sure that when we have a good run

2036
01:48:02,867 --> 01:48:04,907
Speaker 26: of wins that we keep going for as long as

2037
01:48:04,907 --> 01:48:05,267
Speaker 26: we can.

2038
01:48:05,587 --> 01:48:07,987
Speaker 3: What's the key to It's probably a million dollar question,

2039
01:48:08,027 --> 01:48:10,787
Speaker 3: but what is the key to consistency in your experience?

2040
01:48:11,867 --> 01:48:14,227
Speaker 26: We have principles and we have non negotiables, so I

2041
01:48:14,227 --> 01:48:17,027
Speaker 26: think the consistency comes down to making sure that we're

2042
01:48:17,027 --> 01:48:19,667
Speaker 26: doing those week in week out. You know, there's always

2043
01:48:19,707 --> 01:48:21,507
Speaker 26: going to be variables on the day, whether it's the

2044
01:48:21,987 --> 01:48:25,427
Speaker 26: window pro or the heat in Australia, but as long

2045
01:48:25,467 --> 01:48:29,187
Speaker 26: as we're you know, we're working hard, we're making max

2046
01:48:29,307 --> 01:48:32,747
Speaker 26: print numbers in the box, defending with our lives, that

2047
01:48:32,867 --> 01:48:36,187
Speaker 26: sort of thing, then we can try and gain it consistency.

2048
01:48:36,467 --> 01:48:38,507
Speaker 3: How happy have you been with the defensive unit in

2049
01:48:38,547 --> 01:48:39,627
Speaker 3: the first half of the season.

2050
01:48:39,827 --> 01:48:40,587
Speaker 32: Yeah, very happy.

2051
01:48:40,667 --> 01:48:43,867
Speaker 26: I think we haven't conceded many shots, which has showing

2052
01:48:43,947 --> 01:48:47,347
Speaker 26: you know, a lot of the score lines, the goals

2053
01:48:47,387 --> 01:48:49,867
Speaker 26: conceded has been low. Obviously, the last two weeks were

2054
01:48:49,867 --> 01:48:53,907
Speaker 26: considered four, which we're not pleased about, and we've definitely

2055
01:48:53,947 --> 01:48:56,667
Speaker 26: looked at it extensively because you know, we need to

2056
01:48:56,667 --> 01:48:58,267
Speaker 26: try and make sure that we keep the ball the

2057
01:48:58,267 --> 01:49:00,547
Speaker 26: back of our net and keep the score zero for

2058
01:49:00,547 --> 01:49:03,387
Speaker 26: as long as possible at airend. But you know, overall,

2059
01:49:03,427 --> 01:49:05,907
Speaker 26: I think the defensive unit is a great unit. I

2060
01:49:05,907 --> 01:49:08,347
Speaker 26: think they're looking well together and we just need to

2061
01:49:08,387 --> 01:49:10,227
Speaker 26: make sure that we're not not conceding goals.

2062
01:49:10,547 --> 01:49:12,787
Speaker 3: When those last two games there's been no CJ. Bot.

2063
01:49:13,107 --> 01:49:15,627
Speaker 3: How big a factor is she when it comes to

2064
01:49:15,827 --> 01:49:16,987
Speaker 3: your defense's strategy.

2065
01:49:17,387 --> 01:49:19,907
Speaker 26: Yeah, we miss CG on the pitch for sure, but

2066
01:49:19,987 --> 01:49:23,347
Speaker 26: as an oportunity for other players to grab hold of

2067
01:49:23,707 --> 01:49:26,427
Speaker 26: that central midfield position and really take a leadership role.

2068
01:49:26,507 --> 01:49:28,107
Speaker 26: You know, whether it's one player, whether we kind of

2069
01:49:28,107 --> 01:49:31,307
Speaker 26: spread the load across the whole team. Either solution is

2070
01:49:31,627 --> 01:49:36,307
Speaker 26: a good solution, you know. And now that CJ's picked

2071
01:49:36,347 --> 01:49:38,147
Speaker 26: up picked up an injury, I think we need to

2072
01:49:38,187 --> 01:49:41,707
Speaker 26: all realize that, you know, she's not coming back in

2073
01:49:41,747 --> 01:49:44,507
Speaker 26: a hurry, so we need to make sure that everyone

2074
01:49:44,507 --> 01:49:46,387
Speaker 26: fills the roles and I think I think we're doing that.

2075
01:49:46,467 --> 01:49:48,587
Speaker 26: I think we're working hard at training to try and

2076
01:49:48,627 --> 01:49:52,507
Speaker 26: make sure there's more people communicating. And yeah, she'll be missed,

2077
01:49:52,587 --> 01:49:55,147
Speaker 26: but we've got very good players to replace her.

2078
01:49:55,427 --> 01:49:57,227
Speaker 3: Right Canberra for a second time the season. You play

2079
01:49:57,227 --> 01:49:59,667
Speaker 3: them in the opening game, of course, another good side

2080
01:49:59,747 --> 01:50:01,587
Speaker 3: up near the top of the of the Ninja A

2081
01:50:01,667 --> 01:50:03,507
Speaker 3: League ladder. Do you feel like it will be a

2082
01:50:03,507 --> 01:50:08,907
Speaker 3: good gauge on Saturday night as to how you're going differently?

2083
01:50:09,187 --> 01:50:10,987
Speaker 26: We played them round one. I think it was a

2084
01:50:10,987 --> 01:50:14,347
Speaker 26: pretty even game. Either team had opportunities in front of goal,

2085
01:50:14,987 --> 01:50:17,307
Speaker 26: but both teams have come along way since then. We've

2086
01:50:17,347 --> 01:50:20,987
Speaker 26: you know, teams have changed shape, they've changed players and

2087
01:50:21,267 --> 01:50:23,187
Speaker 26: Camber of managed get themselves up the top of the table,

2088
01:50:23,187 --> 01:50:25,947
Speaker 26: which is fantastic for them and a good challenge for us.

2089
01:50:25,987 --> 01:50:27,547
Speaker 3: But you know, we know the A League.

2090
01:50:27,587 --> 01:50:30,507
Speaker 26: I think any game anything can happen.

2091
01:50:30,627 --> 01:50:31,987
Speaker 5: So I do think.

2092
01:50:31,867 --> 01:50:34,947
Speaker 26: That Brown with a very good chance and we're going

2093
01:50:34,987 --> 01:50:36,267
Speaker 26: to Canberra to take three points.

2094
01:50:36,587 --> 01:50:39,267
Speaker 3: I know you were well, you know, researched when you

2095
01:50:39,307 --> 01:50:42,107
Speaker 3: came over here having played so long offshore. Is the

2096
01:50:42,107 --> 01:50:43,987
Speaker 3: A League what you expected? Any surprises?

2097
01:50:44,827 --> 01:50:47,787
Speaker 26: Not too many surprises. I think watching it from a

2098
01:50:47,827 --> 01:50:50,827
Speaker 26: fire you never quite get a proper gauge of how

2099
01:50:50,867 --> 01:50:53,187
Speaker 26: it feels to actually be in the game. So I

2100
01:50:53,227 --> 01:50:56,827
Speaker 26: knew the game was transitional and it was fast, but

2101
01:50:56,867 --> 01:50:58,547
Speaker 26: when I came over here, I thought, oh, this is

2102
01:50:58,827 --> 01:51:00,667
Speaker 26: even faster than what I thought it was going to

2103
01:51:00,667 --> 01:51:02,267
Speaker 26: be in terms of like you know, en to end.

2104
01:51:03,067 --> 01:51:04,787
Speaker 26: Where I came from in Scotland, we had a lot

2105
01:51:04,827 --> 01:51:08,307
Speaker 26: of position, but yeah, it's about back and forth. So

2106
01:51:08,307 --> 01:51:10,747
Speaker 26: it's exciting for a goalkeeper. But we've got to make

2107
01:51:10,787 --> 01:51:13,027
Speaker 26: sure that we don't run ourselves into the ground early

2108
01:51:13,027 --> 01:51:14,747
Speaker 26: in the game as well. So yeah, when you take

2109
01:51:14,747 --> 01:51:17,147
Speaker 26: control of the games and try and keep the ball

2110
01:51:17,187 --> 01:51:18,347
Speaker 26: for a bit, that is the.

2111
01:51:18,627 --> 01:51:22,467
Speaker 3: Essen football Ferns and Wellington Phoenix women's goalkeeper. They play

2112
01:51:22,547 --> 01:51:27,267
Speaker 3: Canberra United at McCalla Park in Canberra tonight seven thirty

2113
01:51:27,307 --> 01:51:29,947
Speaker 3: New Zealand time. Kickoff in that one twenty two away

2114
01:51:29,947 --> 01:51:32,507
Speaker 3: from three, twenty two minutes away from the start of

2115
01:51:32,627 --> 01:51:36,467
Speaker 3: the Pots Classic. This is obviously a fairly iconic track

2116
01:51:36,547 --> 01:51:39,747
Speaker 3: and field event and it's been paired this year with

2117
01:51:39,827 --> 01:51:44,827
Speaker 3: the inaugural twenty twenty six New Zealand Short Track Championship's

2118
01:51:44,827 --> 01:51:49,547
Speaker 3: gonna chat shortly to Brianna Stevenson, leading heptathlete. She's running

2119
01:51:49,587 --> 01:51:53,147
Speaker 3: the sixty meter hurdles this afternoon. Talk about that and

2120
01:51:53,187 --> 01:51:56,627
Speaker 3: also her preparation for the Commonwealth Game. She's just reached

2121
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Speaker 3: the A standard for qualifying in the heptathlon, So big

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Speaker 3: year coming up for Brianna Stevenson. She's with us right

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Speaker 3: after this one.

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Speaker 1: Crutch hold n Game each weekend Sport with Jason him

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Speaker 1: and GJ. Gunner homes New Zealand's.

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Speaker 3: Most trusted homilder News talk to Bailey bang on eighteen

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Speaker 3: away from three. The twenty twenty six track and field

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Speaker 3: summer circuit kicks off today with the Potts Classic in Hastings.

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Speaker 3: It includes the inaugural twenty twenty six New Zealand Short

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Speaker 3: Track Championships. Some big names involved today. The headline clash

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Speaker 3: the men's eight hundred meters. Sam Tanner and teen prodigy

2132
01:52:34,227 --> 01:52:37,467
Speaker 3: Sam Ruth going head to head at seven thirty five tonight,

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Speaker 3: and there's mail around that Sam Tanner is going to

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Speaker 3: look to break the eight hundred meter national record in

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Speaker 3: that particular race seven thirty five tonight, and the women

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Speaker 3: sprints all lies on Zoey Hobbs in the sixty meters,

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01:52:51,707 --> 01:52:55,067
Speaker 3: she's chasing the world indoor qualifying mark of seven point

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Speaker 3: two oh seconds ahead of those championships in March. And

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Speaker 3: on the men's side, t On Wilton will have his

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Speaker 3: eyes on the sixty meter men's title. Among the competitors

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Speaker 3: in the women's sixty meter hurdles, which is scheduled for

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Speaker 3: five point fifteen this afternoon, is heptathlete Brianna Stevenson, who

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Speaker 3: joins us now. Brianna, thanks for chatting on the day

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Speaker 3: of the event. How often have you run this event,

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01:53:19,787 --> 01:53:23,747
Speaker 3: the sixty meter hurdles.

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Speaker 33: Yeah, thanks so much for taking the time. I've actually

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01:53:26,187 --> 01:53:29,267
Speaker 33: only done one sixty meter hurdles race so far. I

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Speaker 33: did one beginning of November last year, so yeah, that

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Speaker 33: was my first sixty hurdles and looking forward to doing

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Speaker 33: it again today.

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Speaker 3: How different is I mean, obviously it's forty meters shorter

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Speaker 3: than or fifty meters shorter than the one hundred and

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01:53:41,307 --> 01:53:43,827
Speaker 3: ten meter hurdles you do or one hundred hurdles rather

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Speaker 3: you do in a heptathlon. How different is the strategy

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01:53:47,627 --> 01:53:48,947
Speaker 3: for a shorter race.

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Speaker 33: I'd say the strategy is all pretty much the same,

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Speaker 33: to be honest. The distance itself is one that I

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Speaker 33: trained quite a lot at training, So yeah, it's really

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Speaker 33: just about attacking heart of those first five hurdles.

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Speaker 32: So you actually only go with five hurdles.

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Speaker 33: Which really suits my strengths and that quite a strong

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Speaker 33: starter and usually attack the beginning of the race really well.

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Speaker 33: I've definitely tidied up my back into the race over

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01:54:12,867 --> 01:54:15,627
Speaker 33: one hundred meter hurdles, which is awesome for the hundred,

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Speaker 33: but yeah, it means that the sixty meter hurdles could

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Speaker 33: be a real strength for me.

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Speaker 3: You come in in brilliant form. You hit the Commonwealth

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Speaker 3: Games A standard for the heptathlon at an event in

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Speaker 3: Brisbane last weekend a PB of six thou ninety eight

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Speaker 3: points forty eight better than the A standard. Had you

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Speaker 3: specifically targeted that Brisbane event to do that, yeah.

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Speaker 32: Pretty much.

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Speaker 33: My coach and I have had a pretty clear plan

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Speaker 33: for quite a while now to kind of check off

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Speaker 33: some of these milestones, and the Queensland Combined Events Championships

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Speaker 33: is one that we've targeted for the last couple of

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Speaker 33: years just because it's warm and there are a few

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Speaker 33: more competitors as well, so it was definitely going over

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Speaker 33: there with the a standard in sight and just super

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Speaker 33: happy and relieved to have tipped that off pretty early,

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Speaker 33: and obviously to have reached the milestone of six thousand

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Speaker 33: points is a pretty big one for a HIPTA athlete

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Speaker 33: as well.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, and PBS, if I'm not mistaken in the two

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Speaker 3: hundred meters and the shot put, had you specifically prepped

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Speaker 3: for those two events in particular?

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Speaker 33: Shotput, yes, Previously, shotput has been an event that I've

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Speaker 33: really struggled with. It's definitely been an event where I've

2189
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Speaker 33: lost quite a lot of points relative to my strengths

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Speaker 33: in the sprints and the jumps, so that one was

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Speaker 33: a long time coming. We've put a lot of work

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Speaker 33: into that myself and Matthew White, my coach, also helped

2193
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Speaker 33: this season by Kirsten Hallier as well, so yeah, we've

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Speaker 33: made a lot of progress there obviously with a competition

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Speaker 33: and then yeah, the two hundred meters came as quite

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Speaker 33: a surprise to me, to be honest. My coach was like,

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Speaker 33: I knew it was coming, but yeah, I was pretty

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Speaker 33: shocked when I crossed the line.

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Speaker 32: And it's twenty three fifty four.

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Speaker 3: And you've I mean, this is now pbs in all

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Speaker 3: seven individual heptatlon events in the last year for you,

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Speaker 3: plus your best ever heptathlon total. Can you tell us

2203
01:56:06,507 --> 01:56:10,107
Speaker 3: you've managed such significant improvements across the board in the

2204
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Speaker 3: last twelve months.

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Speaker 33: Yeah, it's pretty crazy when you put it like that.

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Speaker 33: I guess last season was super special, obviously ticking off

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Speaker 33: a few really big I guess kind of accolades within

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Speaker 33: the Hiptathon, but also before so I had a second

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Speaker 33: knee surgery at the beginning of twenty twenty two and

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Speaker 33: that's when I transitioned to Hiptathon from long jump. So yeah,

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Speaker 33: breaking my long jump PB last year was a really

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Speaker 33: big moment for me, given I hadn't done that since

2213
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Speaker 33: before my knee surgery, and long jump was kind of

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Speaker 33: my original love. But yeah, I think I just have

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Speaker 33: a really incredible team around me who keep my mind

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Speaker 33: and my body in the right place. A really awesome

2217
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Speaker 33: support system, my family, my friends, my partner, and also

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Speaker 33: I stepped back from kind of a full time job

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Speaker 33: as well in twenty twenty four, which has really enabled

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Speaker 33: me to put more into it, especially given hiptathlon, as

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Speaker 33: you said, as seven events, it requires a lot more

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Speaker 33: training and recovery as well. Yeah, just taking that time

2223
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Speaker 33: back to actually invest as much as I can into

2224
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Speaker 33: the sport has really paid off.

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Speaker 3: It really has. You've obviously struck the brilliant formula. I'm

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Speaker 3: curious though, when you're looking for improvements in your heptathlon score,

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Speaker 3: do you try to do better in your stronger events,

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Speaker 3: or as with the shotput as you mentioned, do you

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Speaker 3: try to improve the ones that maybe you don't enjoy

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Speaker 3: so much.

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Speaker 27: Yeah.

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Speaker 33: I guess we're kind of getting to the point now

2233
01:57:32,987 --> 01:57:35,787
Speaker 33: where we look at all the events and see how

2234
01:57:35,827 --> 01:57:40,787
Speaker 33: many points we can realistically grab depending on what the

2235
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Speaker 33: I guess realistic improvement in each event is. Shotput was

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Speaker 33: one of those very clear ones where we knew there

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Speaker 33: was a huge deficit there, so that's why we've.

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Speaker 32: Put so much time and energy into it.

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Speaker 33: Javelin is one of those ones as well that I

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Speaker 33: can definitely improve on and gain a few more points there,

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Speaker 33: and then also, as I said, with my long jump,

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Speaker 33: I've had a lot of improvement in the last year

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Speaker 33: and a half and my coach and I have put

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Speaker 33: a lot of work into it, and so as I said,

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Speaker 33: that's kind of one of the events, so well, we

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01:58:06,747 --> 01:58:08,947
Speaker 33: feel like I can really grab a whole lot more points,

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Speaker 33: But it is about the small margins now and just

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01:58:12,107 --> 01:58:15,347
Speaker 33: obviously trying to get all of those events going well

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Speaker 33: at the same time in one weekend. That's the nature

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Speaker 33: of hip tathlon. So yeah, working really hard to make

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Speaker 33: those small gains where we can.

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Speaker 3: So does this mean you'll definitely go to Glasgow now?

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01:58:26,067 --> 01:58:28,907
Speaker 3: Does it just need to tick from Athletics New Zealand

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01:58:28,947 --> 01:58:30,787
Speaker 3: for you to now go now that you've reached the

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Speaker 3: A standard.

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Speaker 31: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 33: Essentially, Athletics New Zealand and the NDC select the teams

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01:58:38,267 --> 01:58:42,187
Speaker 33: and there's a heap of policy and criteria for being selected.

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Speaker 33: So I'm sitting in a very good spot at the

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01:58:44,707 --> 01:58:49,827
Speaker 33: moment and we'll still watiently, patiently await confirmation of that,

2262
01:58:50,107 --> 01:58:53,227
Speaker 33: but pretty confident I should definitely be on that plane

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Speaker 33: to Glasgow.

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Speaker 3: Wonderful, And you mentioned the move from long jump to

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Speaker 3: heptathlon after your knee surgery. So what did it?

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Speaker 21: Just?

2267
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Speaker 3: Is there least pressure on your knee doing seven events

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Speaker 3: rather than just the long jump, which puts more pressure

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Speaker 3: on your knee. Is that the thinking beyond it?

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Speaker 23: Uh?

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Speaker 33: Not really, I guess when so, I was quite a

2272
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Speaker 33: multi talented high schooler, I guess, and various sports, and

2273
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Speaker 33: my intention once I left school was always to go

2274
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Speaker 33: on to the hip tathon, but just maybe didn't quite

2275
01:59:26,587 --> 01:59:29,827
Speaker 33: have the right environment to facilitate that, so focused on

2276
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Speaker 33: the long jump in sprints, and then with my second

2277
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Speaker 33: knee surgery and changing coaches, he just suggested that given

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Speaker 33: I had a jump's background with high jumpers, well that

2279
01:59:40,387 --> 01:59:43,787
Speaker 33: maybe we while we're building back to full kind of capacity,

2280
01:59:43,827 --> 01:59:45,747
Speaker 33: that we spread the load across the whole body and

2281
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Speaker 33: train for hip tathon. You do see more and more

2282
01:59:49,267 --> 01:59:52,507
Speaker 33: athletes these days using that as a tool to come

2283
01:59:52,587 --> 01:59:54,387
Speaker 33: back from injury, because it means that you know, you're

2284
01:59:54,467 --> 01:59:56,667
Speaker 33: using your upper body, your lower body, and taking the

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Speaker 33: stress out of just one part of your body. And

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Speaker 33: I did one season and said to him that I

2287
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Speaker 33: don't want to look back, don't want to just go

2288
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Speaker 33: back to being a long jumper. And yeah, I guess

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Speaker 33: that's that's kind of where we are now.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely brilliant. So you're obviously pots Classic today. What does

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Speaker 3: the next little while look like for you, Brianna as

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Speaker 3: you as you've attacked what will be a really really

2293
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Speaker 3: big twenty twenty six for you.

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Speaker 33: Yeah, so this is the beginning of the summer circuit.

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Speaker 33: Typically I do long jump as well, but wasn't sure

2296
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Speaker 33: how my body was going to pull up after the

2297
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Speaker 33: httath on, so sixty meter hurdles and then I'll also

2298
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Speaker 33: be pacing the a woman's eight hundred meters.

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Speaker 32: As well, which is always fun.

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Speaker 33: And hook Spay's my home, so this is one of

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Speaker 33: my favorite competitions of the year.

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Speaker 32: Then I'm pretty much most.

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Speaker 33: Weekends for the next six to seven weeks competing throughout

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Speaker 33: New Zealand. So yeah, there's Sir Gram Douglas in Auckland,

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Speaker 33: Capitol Classic in Wellington, Porroit Classic in Hamilton, and International

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Speaker 33: Track Meet in christ Church where I'll kind of play

2307
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Speaker 33: around with a few of the different events at those

2308
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Speaker 33: meets to kind of refine each individual event until I

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Speaker 33: put together another hettath on at our New Zealand Championships

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Speaker 33: at the end of March.

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Speaker 3: Love the schedule and six thousand and ninety eight that

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02:01:12,707 --> 02:01:15,107
Speaker 3: would have got your fourth at the last Commonwealth Games.

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02:01:16,627 --> 02:01:19,947
Speaker 3: You know now that you're effectively qualified for it. Are

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02:01:19,987 --> 02:01:22,867
Speaker 3: you targeting? Are you targeting the podium? You must be

2315
02:01:22,907 --> 02:01:24,427
Speaker 3: surely if you're there you might as well.

2316
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Speaker 33: Yeah, yes, absolutely absolutely targeting the podium and I guess

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02:01:30,507 --> 02:01:32,547
Speaker 33: you know as a as a benchmark for the season.

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Speaker 33: Very very happy to be sitting at six h nine

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Speaker 33: to eight, but yeah, my team and I have big

2320
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Speaker 33: aspirations for this year and know that I'm very capable

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Speaker 33: of surpassing that. Also looking at the new Zealand record

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02:01:43,867 --> 02:01:46,907
Speaker 33: and a few other little things along the way as well.

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Speaker 32: So yeah, super exciting.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely this Gee, it's great to get the chance

2325
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Speaker 3: to chat to You're right at the beginning of it. Brown,

2326
02:01:52,667 --> 02:01:54,347
Speaker 3: all the best today in the sixty meter hurdles and

2327
02:01:54,387 --> 02:01:56,787
Speaker 3: the pacing for the eight hundred to start with. Exciting

2328
02:01:56,827 --> 02:01:59,627
Speaker 3: time ahead for you. Will look forward to tracking your progress.

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02:01:59,627 --> 02:02:00,827
Speaker 3: Thanks so much for chatting to us.

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Speaker 32: Thanks Jason, I appreciate it.

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02:02:02,667 --> 02:02:05,867
Speaker 3: No, I appreciate you joining us. Thanks indeed. Brianna Stevenson

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Speaker 3: there leading HEPTA athletes and one of the competitors at

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Speaker 3: the Potts Classic in Hastings starting in around eight minutes

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Speaker 3: at three o'clock. It is eight to three here at

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Speaker 3: News Talks NB, the.

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Speaker 1: School from the Track Fields and the Court. On your

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Speaker 1: home of sort, Wegamsport with Jason Vine Us Talks MB

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Speaker 1: five to three.

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Speaker 3: That's US quick look ahead tomorrow. As mentioned before, we'll

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Speaker 3: get a global view on how the reaction has been

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Speaker 3: to Scott Robertson leaving as All Blacks Coach. Other things

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Speaker 3: around Tomorrow, Darrel Rich is on the show The Black

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Speaker 3: Caps looking to make history in India. We're going to

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Speaker 3: sell GP and well lots of other things as well.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure we'll come to light in the next twenty

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Speaker 3: one hours or so. Thanks for tuning in. Huge thanks

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Speaker 3: to Annie McDonald for producing the show. Is always busy

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Speaker 3: on the phones today, mate, what's our exits?

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Speaker 34: She's been a busy week Piney. There's going to be

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Speaker 34: a lot of people, I think in the world rope

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Speaker 34: and Newsle'm roby saying this exact same sentence. So I've

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Speaker 34: gone with shares. If I could turn back time, all right,

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Speaker 34: say tomorrow folk auld a.

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