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Speaker 1: Now, Jacinta ar Durtn, as we've discussed, has received her

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Speaker 1: dame hood from none other than Prince William at a

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Speaker 1: ceremony at Windsor Castle overnight, and that's prompted Chris Hopkins,

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Speaker 1: the Labor Party leader, to pipe up. And so we

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Speaker 1: should do more to utilize the star power of Jesinda

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Speaker 1: are doing to advocate for us globally, and he is

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Speaker 1: with us right now, had you.

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Speaker 2: Been actually I made those comments a couple of weeks ago.

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Speaker 2: It's just they're being reported now. But so really, but

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Speaker 2: you know, I think it's a good thing that they

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Speaker 2: are being reported because I do think that Jasinda Ardian

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Speaker 2: has some star power pulling, you know, pulling power for

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Speaker 2: us on the international stage, and we should we should

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Speaker 2: use it.

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Speaker 1: How would we use her?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, like I genuinely don't know.

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Speaker 2: I mean, she can certainly promote New Zealand for tourism,

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Speaker 2: promote New Zealand for trade, promote New Zealand as a

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Speaker 2: good as a good kist.

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Speaker 1: She could do investors, cocktail parties.

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Speaker 2: Can she all of those sorts of things? You know?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not necessarily talking about any formal role

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying that let's just use her as a

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Speaker 2: as an asset to the country. She's got a high

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Speaker 2: international profile. Why wouldn't we. And the funny thing is,

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Speaker 2: you know, I know that there's a there's a small

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Speaker 2: group in the country who are very vitriolic towards to Cinda.

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Speaker 2: But actually I know a lot of National Party people

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Speaker 2: didn't vote Labor, wouldn't vote Labor, but they still respect you, Cinda,

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Speaker 2: and they still you know, they still would like to

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Speaker 2: see her more positively reflected, you know, by the country.

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Speaker 1: Are you sure it's a small group.

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Speaker 2: I think it is a pretty small group. They're very,

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Speaker 2: very loud, though. I it's a bit like the anti

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Speaker 2: vex group. You know that the proportion of noise.

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Speaker 1: Vibes right, it's yeah, But.

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Speaker 2: I mean, overall, the vast majority of New Zealanders went

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Speaker 2: and got vaccinated. I don't think the anti vex group is.

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Speaker 1: We've got vaccinated. I still get triggered by her. Those

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Speaker 1: things don't correlate. The reason I'm asking you whether it

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Speaker 1: is a minority if you're so sure about it, because

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Speaker 1: you have said you've blamed a minority of people for

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Speaker 1: making things quite nasty. But chippy. We've got a beach

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Speaker 1: house at the same place that her parents have got

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Speaker 1: a beach house in the Coromandel, And man, you know

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Speaker 1: that town is dark on her. You know that's that's

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Speaker 1: a town her parents basically live in. So I'm not

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Speaker 1: sure how small it is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there are certainly stronger pockets of it around the country.

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Speaker 2: There's no question the Corimndel is definitely one of those.

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Speaker 2: But I don't think that's reflective of the the mood

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Speaker 2: of the whole country. Like I said, I've met plenty

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Speaker 2: of National Party people who didn't vote Labor, aren't likely

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Speaker 2: to vote Labor, but they certainly don't subscribe to the

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Speaker 2: nastiness you know that we've seen directed it to see.

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Speaker 1: I just assume that the reason that she is now

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Speaker 1: like widespread nastiness.

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Speaker 2: No, I don't think so. I mean, certainly there's a

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Speaker 2: vocal group who would target her back home in New Zealand,

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Speaker 2: But actually I think it's because she's she's got some

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Speaker 2: pretty good offers around the world and she's busy. You know,

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Speaker 2: she's in high demand.

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Speaker 1: Can you tell me something this is what I don't

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Speaker 1: understand about Josinda is the version of Cinda that we're

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Speaker 1: getting at the moment is not the version of Cinda

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Speaker 1: that we thought we were voting for. Like we were

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Speaker 1: voting for the child poverty lady who's basically just naffed

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Speaker 1: off and lining her own pockets and fair enough, like

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Speaker 1: I would too if I was her, but she's making

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Speaker 1: herself for it. She's not looking after the kids here.

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Speaker 1: She's a Republican who then gets takes the honor got

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Speaker 1: windsor Castle, Like how crazy is that? So I feel like,

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Speaker 1: of all the prime ministers, the one who cared the

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Speaker 2: I mean as a Republican, of course, I have mixed

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Speaker 2: And actually, people accepting an honor on behalf of New Zealand,

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Speaker 2: it doesn't necessarily mean that suddenly.

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Speaker 1: Republicans anyw Zealand by But come.

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Speaker 2: On, an offered by New Zealand. I should have said,

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Speaker 2: you know, because it is a New Zealand government, you don't.

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Speaker 1: Have to take it. You certainly don't have to take

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Speaker 2: You know, look, ultimately, as I said, look, I'm still

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Speaker 2: a Republican and I have some more mixed views.

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Speaker 1: Have you as soon been? Like I just didn't know.

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Speaker 2: That's not a conversation that we've ever had. But look,

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Speaker 2: she was, she was, she did that, that's her called that,

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Speaker 2: that's her business.

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Speaker 1: Hey, are the Greens going to kick Darlene out tonight?

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Speaker 2: They're certainly entitled to you, and if they do, I think

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Speaker 2: it'll be a good thing and be a good thing

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Speaker 1: Are you just saying that because it means that the

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Speaker 1: Green are the first one to pull the scab off

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Speaker 1: the walker jumping legislation, which even you didn't use.

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Speaker 2: No we didn't, but actually well we didn't use it

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Speaker 2: because it was getting a bit close to the election

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Speaker 2: and all of that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 1: You've got and the Greens don't.

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Speaker 2: Well I don't think that's true. But actually I don't

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Speaker 2: I have always supported that legislation because I think that

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Speaker 2: when you vote for people and they come in on

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Speaker 2: the party list, they have no mandate to be there

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Speaker 2: on anything other than the you know, as members of the.

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Speaker 1: Party that they got votes. But there is a Green

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Speaker 1: not as Darling exactly right, okay, But so do you

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Speaker 1: think they've got the seventy five? I hope so. I mean,

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Speaker 1: obviously you guys are not keen on her, are you.

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Speaker 2: I'm not. I just think it's such a distortion of parliament.

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Speaker 2: You know, like you get elected as a Green MP

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Speaker 2: and then within literally within weeks, you're not in the

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Speaker 2: an independent. I don't think that's what people voted for

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Speaker 2: when they voted for MMP.

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Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough. And do you think the government should

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Speaker 1: get involved in Wellington City Council?

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Speaker 2: Not yet. I mean I think they should certainly be

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Speaker 2: meeting with them, they should have conversations with them, But

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Speaker 2: I don't think they've yet met their threshold, you know,

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Speaker 2: to get rid of the.

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Speaker 1: Council, the threshold for a crown observ it's not getting

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Speaker 1: Isn't the threshold simply that the minister has to kind

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Speaker 1: of lose confidence.

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Speaker 2: No, they basically have to be They have to have

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Speaker 2: grounds to believe that the Council is not fulfilling its

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Speaker 2: statutory obligations. So if the Council can't produce a long

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Speaker 2: term plan, they're not producing they're not fulfilling their statutory obligations.

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Speaker 2: Time to time for the government to do something, but

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Speaker 2: at this point they haven't got to that point yet. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The ultimate sanction is that next year there's a local

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Speaker 2: government election rolling around and all Wellingtonians get to have

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Speaker 2: their view on at that express what you heard?

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Speaker 1: Have you heard Tories going to get a seat with

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Speaker 1: the Greens?

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Speaker 2: I have not heard that. No, look he wants it.

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Speaker 2: I suspect there'll be a very vigorous contest in Wellington

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Speaker 2: at the next election though.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay to be thank you for coming

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Speaker 1: and it's really good to see you. It's lovely to

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Speaker 1: be here. Thanks man. That's Chris Hopkins, our Labor Party leader.

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