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Speaker 2: B, Youlder. Good afternoon and welcome into the Sunday edition

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Speaker 2: of Weekend Sport on News Talks EDB. September twenty two,

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Speaker 2: Today would have been Martin Crowe's birthday. Esthetically our greatest

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Speaker 2: batsman dying of cancer in twenty sixteen. I'm Jason pine

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Speaker 2: Levey Helly his show producer. Today we are with you

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Speaker 2: until three.

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Speaker 3: It gets it in, Savia, gets it out, catch it

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Speaker 3: over the touchline. The All Blacks hang on to win

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Speaker 3: the match. The All Blacks hang on to the bledisloe

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Speaker 3: three tries in the opening sixteen minutes and then got

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Speaker 3: the fright of their life. The All Blacks thirty one Australia.

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Speaker 4: Twenty eight Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Pretty good summary there from Elliot Smith on commentary the

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Speaker 2: Fright of our lives not just the All Blacks but

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Speaker 2: All Blacks fans as well. Assistant coach Jason Holland standing

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Speaker 2: by to chat with us. An Australian view after one

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Speaker 2: o'clock with Wallaby's legend David Campeazi. Plenty of postmatch reaction

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Speaker 2: from players and coaches, but it's you I really want

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Speaker 2: afternoon for your views. A couple of other matters around today.

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Speaker 2: The black Caps are on the back foot after three

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Speaker 2: days of the first cricket Test against Sri Lanka in Gaul.

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Speaker 2: Sri Lanka two thirty seven for four in their second innings,

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Speaker 2: a lead of two hundred and two. Couple of days

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Speaker 2: Our NRL preliminary finals are locked in after the two

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Speaker 3: V Barack as a TT draws Clark Clark what on

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Speaker 3: two Flaws? He found a way through Tone Defenders and

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Speaker 3: the all Blacks have three.

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Speaker 2: I was all looking pretty rosy at that stage, wasn't

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Speaker 2: it twenty one nil after about fifteen minutes? But the

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Speaker 2: All Blacks eventually getting home thirty one points to twenty

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Speaker 2: eight in Sydney last night, let's bring it All Blacks

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Speaker 2: Assistant coach Jason Holland. Jason, thanks for your time. You've

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Speaker 2: given this one the overnight test. How do you assess

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Speaker 2: last night's game in general terms?

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Speaker 5: First of all, yeah, obviously you're really you're really happy

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Speaker 5: Ausies under massive pressure, which we saw on the scoreboard.

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Speaker 5: We it's great to know that we're creating the opportunities

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Speaker 5: So I wouldn't say frustration. I think just sort of

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Speaker 2: How do you create that pressure in a training situation?

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Speaker 7: Oh, look, there's.

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Speaker 5: We've got guys outside the twenty three. You ain't getting

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Speaker 5: Look, hopefully, hopefully hopefully this weekend. Look, we you know,

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Speaker 5: Look, I think it was a pretty clear it's just

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Speaker 2: Second half, even though it was called back for a

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Speaker 5: I love that, Love that, Like obviously we're driving the

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Speaker 7: So that's that's the probably we.

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Speaker 5: Want to play. So Chid, it's great to see that.

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Speaker 5: And as you say, as we've talked around, we're just

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Speaker 2: Why do you think it's been so hard to score

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Look, it's a little bit of you know, well,

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Speaker 5: So I think what you're what you're seeing in the

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Speaker 5: night was was us losing the ball after two or

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Speaker 5: three phases from our lineer or our scrum. You know,

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Speaker 2: You getting the impact you want from the bench.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, look, I think I think we're working really hard

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Speaker 5: last night. I thought that t J was unbelievable when

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Speaker 5: he came off the pinch last night in the defense

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Speaker 5: we're you know, we have the ball for long periods.

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Speaker 2: What sort of emotions are you feeling up in the

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that was maybe boys just really but on

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Speaker 2: Jason Holland. They're assistant coach of the All Blacks twelve eighteen. Right,

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Speaker 2: last night I think was very very good. Anything you

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Speaker 1: The big issues on and the fields call eight hundred

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Speaker 3: Back door, through the line, don't know the twenty two

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Speaker 2: with the team. He's back in with the team this week.

434
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Speaker 2: He's going to train with the All Blacks all week

435
00:20:14,387 --> 00:20:16,587
Speaker 2: this week. He won't play in the Test match, but

436
00:20:16,627 --> 00:20:21,507
Speaker 2: he will play NPC in the next weekend and then

437
00:20:21,947 --> 00:20:24,107
Speaker 2: provided he comes through, okay, he will be on the

438
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Speaker 2: end of your tour.

439
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Speaker 8: He's got a good scar of the OC.

440
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw that too, Mark, I saw that too. Yeah,

441
00:20:30,907 --> 00:20:32,427
Speaker 2: battle scars. I think they call them good to have

442
00:20:32,507 --> 00:20:34,227
Speaker 2: them back, though. Good to chat to eight hundred and

443
00:20:34,267 --> 00:20:36,867
Speaker 2: eighty ten to eighty. Someone said the problem is the fitness.

444
00:20:37,827 --> 00:20:39,667
Speaker 2: Ken says, clearly, the problem of the All Blacks is

445
00:20:39,707 --> 00:20:41,627
Speaker 2: that they are not fit enough. Why else would they

446
00:20:41,627 --> 00:20:45,587
Speaker 2: fall off in the last twenty minutes. I cannot subscribe

447
00:20:45,627 --> 00:20:49,267
Speaker 2: to that view. Fitnesses are not negotiable when it comes

448
00:20:49,347 --> 00:20:51,867
Speaker 2: to the All Blacks. Surely when it comes to any

449
00:20:52,387 --> 00:20:58,267
Speaker 2: elite sports person, fitness is are not negotiable. And Nick

450
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Speaker 2: Girl is the head of strength and conditioning with this team,

451
00:21:00,907 --> 00:21:02,907
Speaker 2: and there is no way that he would not be

452
00:21:03,067 --> 00:21:07,907
Speaker 2: preparing those players for test rugby. I've heard it suggested

453
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Speaker 2: that you know that it's fitness, but I don't know

454
00:21:11,747 --> 00:21:16,827
Speaker 2: that it can be. Yes, you get fatigued, of course,

455
00:21:16,867 --> 00:21:20,307
Speaker 2: you get fatigued. Everybody does after playing fifty sixty seventy

456
00:21:20,347 --> 00:21:26,187
Speaker 2: minutes of high level rugby, of course, but they're trained

457
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Speaker 2: to execute their core skills under the pressure of fatigue.

458
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Speaker 2: I don't know if it's fitness. I just don't don't

459
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Speaker 2: buy that as the as the reason.

460
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Speaker 11: How are you, Phil, Yeah, yeah, okay, twenty How are you?

461
00:21:41,307 --> 00:21:42,227
Speaker 2: I'm good? Thanks mate.

462
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Speaker 11: Oh I'm relieved.

463
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Speaker 12: I think that's the word that they used after that game,

464
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Speaker 12: so I think it's stop raised and might have used

465
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Speaker 12: it himself and make me the characters that a couple

466
00:21:53,507 --> 00:21:58,027
Speaker 12: of them says, it's relieved. It was the hell of

467
00:21:58,067 --> 00:22:01,147
Speaker 12: a game that could have gone either way. You know,

468
00:22:01,307 --> 00:22:05,347
Speaker 12: the Oudsies could have easily won that game. They It

469
00:22:05,507 --> 00:22:08,587
Speaker 12: reminded me they dropped a lot of balls themselves, you

470
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Speaker 12: know at crucial times when they had a break on

471
00:22:11,427 --> 00:22:13,467
Speaker 12: and that, and made a lot of mistakes themselves, and

472
00:22:13,507 --> 00:22:15,667
Speaker 12: then they got it together in the second half. Old

473
00:22:15,707 --> 00:22:18,587
Speaker 12: whatever Joe Schmid said to them certainly pumped them up,

474
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Speaker 12: because I think they won the second half boy fourteen

475
00:22:20,747 --> 00:22:24,107
Speaker 12: points to three, but then came back. It's reminded me

476
00:22:24,187 --> 00:22:26,627
Speaker 12: a lot of that first South African game, not the

477
00:22:26,707 --> 00:22:29,587
Speaker 12: second one. It was a difference start altogether. But you

478
00:22:29,667 --> 00:22:31,467
Speaker 12: know in that first South African game with the all

479
00:22:31,507 --> 00:22:34,627
Speaker 12: Blacks come out lying and we're all out of South

480
00:22:34,667 --> 00:22:37,187
Speaker 12: Africa and then South Africa held on, you know, when

481
00:22:37,227 --> 00:22:39,747
Speaker 12: we lost it in that last ten fifteen minutes, And

482
00:22:40,547 --> 00:22:42,667
Speaker 12: it reminded me a lot of that how the Aublets

483
00:22:42,707 --> 00:22:44,907
Speaker 12: come mine out of the blocks and all Jordan looked

484
00:22:44,907 --> 00:22:47,027
Speaker 12: great and they were opening them up and courtiers and

485
00:22:47,107 --> 00:22:48,907
Speaker 12: things were going great. And I was sitting there thinking,

486
00:22:49,027 --> 00:22:53,107
Speaker 12: like you, fifteen twenty minutes into it, Jesus, we're getting

487
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Speaker 12: a sixty or a sixty bus score here and then

488
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Speaker 12: and then they started to and then they came back.

489
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Speaker 5: But I don't.

490
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Speaker 12: Yeah, I've had a loss as well. I'm bamboozled and

491
00:23:03,107 --> 00:23:06,827
Speaker 12: buggered as well to figure out, boy, we're not putting

492
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Speaker 12: it together in that last fifteen or twenty ten to

493
00:23:10,147 --> 00:23:13,267
Speaker 12: fifteen minutes, and we're losing it in those last fifty

494
00:23:13,387 --> 00:23:15,707
Speaker 12: were almost losing it because like I said, I think

495
00:23:15,747 --> 00:23:17,427
Speaker 12: we were a bit lucky to win that game last

496
00:23:17,507 --> 00:23:20,347
Speaker 12: night in the end, not how we started off, but

497
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Speaker 12: in the end. And I thought in my mind here

498
00:23:24,427 --> 00:23:27,987
Speaker 12: I thought too maybe, But then I'm like you, thinking,

499
00:23:28,227 --> 00:23:30,787
Speaker 12: so it can't be. But it can't be a fitness

500
00:23:30,827 --> 00:23:33,467
Speaker 12: thing because those guys are the you know, put to

501
00:23:33,587 --> 00:23:37,307
Speaker 12: the pump and they wouldn't be going and not unfit.

502
00:23:37,707 --> 00:23:40,667
Speaker 12: So I'm thinking I can't be fitness. I just don't

503
00:23:40,787 --> 00:23:43,587
Speaker 12: know what it is. It's just not because in the past,

504
00:23:44,427 --> 00:23:47,907
Speaker 12: that was when old All Black teams grew up, you know,

505
00:23:47,987 --> 00:23:50,547
Speaker 12: like I grew up in the eighties with fuck Shelf

506
00:23:51,267 --> 00:23:54,107
Speaker 12: and all the great players and that from then, you know,

507
00:23:54,187 --> 00:23:57,947
Speaker 12: Fitzpatrick and that. Like yesterday with John Eels, I wanted

508
00:23:57,987 --> 00:24:00,387
Speaker 12: to call him because I think I remember bloody John Eils.

509
00:24:00,987 --> 00:24:03,987
Speaker 12: Did he jump up a conversion, jump up under the

510
00:24:04,027 --> 00:24:07,027
Speaker 12: gold post and actually knock the ball down with his

511
00:24:07,147 --> 00:24:10,707
Speaker 12: head and a conversion in one game I took that. Yeah,

512
00:24:10,747 --> 00:24:14,347
Speaker 12: but yeah, yeah, and that was extraordinary. You never see

513
00:24:14,387 --> 00:24:16,067
Speaker 12: that now. I don't think I've ever seen it again.

514
00:24:16,187 --> 00:24:17,787
Speaker 12: You know, somebody do that. I'm not even sure if

515
00:24:17,827 --> 00:24:19,787
Speaker 12: you're allowed to do it. The rules now to stop

516
00:24:19,827 --> 00:24:21,747
Speaker 12: the ball coming over from a conversion. If you can

517
00:24:21,827 --> 00:24:25,747
Speaker 12: jump up and knock it out, your hit tall. But yeah,

518
00:24:25,827 --> 00:24:29,147
Speaker 12: that's that's always been a strength of the All Blacks.

519
00:24:29,307 --> 00:24:31,267
Speaker 12: You know they're picking it. They actually pick it up

520
00:24:31,307 --> 00:24:33,507
Speaker 12: in that last ten and fifteen when other teams are

521
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Speaker 12: hitting the wall.

522
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Speaker 2: So I just, yeah, that's the thing for you and

523
00:24:38,547 --> 00:24:40,747
Speaker 2: I could have had this conversation after the last test,

524
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Speaker 2: and after the test before that, and after the test

525
00:24:42,667 --> 00:24:45,627
Speaker 2: before that. It's just it's become, unfortunately, become a talking

526
00:24:45,707 --> 00:24:48,667
Speaker 2: point because it continues to happen that you know, as

527
00:24:48,747 --> 00:24:51,627
Speaker 2: you say, this was the hallmark of All Blacks teams

528
00:24:52,067 --> 00:24:54,987
Speaker 2: past that if they were behind, they found a way

529
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Speaker 2: to get in front in the last twenty minutes. If

530
00:24:56,707 --> 00:24:58,867
Speaker 2: they were ahead in the last twenty minutes, that stretched

531
00:24:58,867 --> 00:25:00,707
Speaker 2: the lead, would bring guys off the bench and they

532
00:25:00,747 --> 00:25:03,627
Speaker 2: would just go over the top of teams. And unfortunately

533
00:25:03,707 --> 00:25:07,747
Speaker 2: it's just not happening now. I come back to I'm

534
00:25:07,787 --> 00:25:10,387
Speaker 2: like you, I don't think it's fitness. I don't think

535
00:25:10,427 --> 00:25:11,867
Speaker 2: you would look at the All Blacks and say these

536
00:25:11,907 --> 00:25:15,387
Speaker 2: guys aren't fit. I don't know how you measure that.

537
00:25:15,587 --> 00:25:17,827
Speaker 2: I mean, you probably don't need to. You don't need

538
00:25:17,867 --> 00:25:19,147
Speaker 2: to say, well does that guy fit or is he

539
00:25:19,387 --> 00:25:22,707
Speaker 2: could he be fitter? I honestly think it goes back

540
00:25:22,747 --> 00:25:24,827
Speaker 2: to what Jason Holland was talking about and what Raises

541
00:25:24,867 --> 00:25:26,267
Speaker 2: said after the game, and I'll play a little bit

542
00:25:26,267 --> 00:25:30,267
Speaker 2: of audio on it. It's it's there. It's the execution

543
00:25:30,427 --> 00:25:34,667
Speaker 2: of those basic skills that just for whatever reason, isn't happening.

544
00:25:37,547 --> 00:25:39,947
Speaker 2: Here's here's Scott Barrett. Why can't they score after the

545
00:25:39,987 --> 00:25:41,627
Speaker 2: sixtieth Monte? Here's the captain's view.

546
00:25:41,947 --> 00:25:44,427
Speaker 13: You know, it's just the execution really that that's all

547
00:25:44,467 --> 00:25:47,787
Speaker 13: it is. That's in those moments. It's been sterely to

548
00:25:48,067 --> 00:25:51,107
Speaker 13: finish those opportunities because we're creating them, and when we

549
00:25:51,227 --> 00:25:53,107
Speaker 13: do have teams under the pump, it that could be

550
00:25:53,147 --> 00:25:55,627
Speaker 13: the difference between putting twenty points on them.

551
00:25:56,027 --> 00:25:58,147
Speaker 2: Is that word again, execution? How are you Michael?

552
00:25:59,747 --> 00:25:59,947
Speaker 1: Yeah?

553
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Speaker 14: I look, I've got to say I'm losing a little

554
00:26:02,707 --> 00:26:05,867
Speaker 14: bit of say or does if you look at the

555
00:26:05,947 --> 00:26:09,467
Speaker 14: only he left on the bench last night. You know,

556
00:26:09,907 --> 00:26:14,907
Speaker 14: led the Blues verse five to a very structured season

557
00:26:15,187 --> 00:26:18,427
Speaker 14: for a very structured season, and I would like to

558
00:26:18,547 --> 00:26:21,347
Speaker 14: see him run get a run last night and we

559
00:26:21,427 --> 00:26:22,787
Speaker 14: would have closed that game out.

560
00:26:23,907 --> 00:26:25,627
Speaker 2: He came on at the end. I know, I know

561
00:26:26,307 --> 00:26:28,147
Speaker 2: it was late. He I think got four minutes at

562
00:26:28,147 --> 00:26:29,907
Speaker 2: the end. It's time to make an impact on and

563
00:26:30,027 --> 00:26:32,307
Speaker 2: for minutes you would prefer to say twenty minutes. I presume,

564
00:26:33,387 --> 00:26:34,027
Speaker 2: oh at.

565
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Speaker 14: Least, because I mean and Amien McKenzie plays a very

566
00:26:37,387 --> 00:26:41,707
Speaker 14: unstructured game, right, and that's accepted and he's good at that.

567
00:26:42,387 --> 00:26:44,507
Speaker 14: But when you're a hit and when you want to

568
00:26:44,587 --> 00:26:47,947
Speaker 14: close the game out, you come back to your core

569
00:26:48,227 --> 00:26:52,587
Speaker 14: and you play percentage rugby and you really keep that

570
00:26:52,827 --> 00:26:57,307
Speaker 14: opposition under pressure and even your defense becomes attacked.

571
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Speaker 5: But we don't do that.

572
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Speaker 14: We still play this, you know. I just wonder you

573
00:27:03,827 --> 00:27:07,827
Speaker 14: let the opposition have these chances. Good teams will take them.

574
00:27:10,267 --> 00:27:12,947
Speaker 2: So would you like to see Harry Plumber given a

575
00:27:13,027 --> 00:27:14,267
Speaker 2: start in Wellington?

576
00:27:16,307 --> 00:27:18,267
Speaker 14: I'd like to see him get a damn good runner

577
00:27:18,267 --> 00:27:22,107
Speaker 14: in Lington, you know, And I'd like to see how

578
00:27:22,187 --> 00:27:24,547
Speaker 14: it would work, you know, if we get ahead and

579
00:27:24,707 --> 00:27:28,547
Speaker 14: then he has maybe the whole second half and we've

580
00:27:28,627 --> 00:27:30,947
Speaker 14: watched what he can do because he can make a

581
00:27:30,987 --> 00:27:35,147
Speaker 14: break himself. He is fast, you know, he is a

582
00:27:35,547 --> 00:27:40,907
Speaker 14: very underrated player. Yeah, I would like to see him

583
00:27:40,947 --> 00:27:43,907
Speaker 14: get a really good run in Wellington. And I don't

584
00:27:43,987 --> 00:27:46,627
Speaker 14: know if you want to start a guy in his

585
00:27:46,787 --> 00:27:51,707
Speaker 14: first test, you know, I teen to let him come

586
00:27:51,747 --> 00:27:54,027
Speaker 14: on at halftime, but I'd given him a good half

587
00:27:54,307 --> 00:27:54,907
Speaker 14: of rugby.

588
00:27:56,147 --> 00:27:58,267
Speaker 2: Good man, Michael, thanks for your call, mate, just on

589
00:27:58,427 --> 00:28:02,827
Speaker 2: that his razor talking about Damian McKenzie. Damian McKenzie is

590
00:28:02,827 --> 00:28:06,227
Speaker 2: a big talking point in this game. He as a

591
00:28:06,347 --> 00:28:11,147
Speaker 2: said to Jason Holland, his superpower is his unpredictability and

592
00:28:11,307 --> 00:28:15,467
Speaker 2: his ability to open up space and to find gaps

593
00:28:15,547 --> 00:28:18,507
Speaker 2: and to go through those gaps. But unfortunately last night

594
00:28:18,547 --> 00:28:20,867
Speaker 2: for Damien McKenzie, and it's not the first time it's happened,

595
00:28:21,587 --> 00:28:24,787
Speaker 2: the final pass just wasn't the right one the decision making.

596
00:28:25,347 --> 00:28:27,147
Speaker 2: There were a couple of times when he went through

597
00:28:27,187 --> 00:28:30,507
Speaker 2: a gap, created space, created an opportunity, but then didn't

598
00:28:30,547 --> 00:28:34,467
Speaker 2: get the pass away as accurately as he could have

599
00:28:35,387 --> 00:28:39,427
Speaker 2: could have. Here is Razer speaking this morning about Damien

600
00:28:39,467 --> 00:28:43,467
Speaker 2: McKenzie just before the All Blacks jumped on their plane,

601
00:28:43,507 --> 00:28:44,947
Speaker 2: or actually this was only about an hour ago, so

602
00:28:45,387 --> 00:28:49,467
Speaker 2: probably just before he moved into the Koru lounge. Here

603
00:28:49,587 --> 00:28:52,187
Speaker 2: is Razor on Damien McKenzie from last night.

604
00:28:52,387 --> 00:28:55,307
Speaker 15: Damien was mercurial, you know, like he can play, he

605
00:28:55,347 --> 00:28:58,027
Speaker 15: can turn it on, and we know how gifted their

606
00:28:58,107 --> 00:29:00,587
Speaker 15: feed and a player he can be, which continue to

607
00:29:00,627 --> 00:29:02,507
Speaker 15: try to go his game and is getting better at

608
00:29:02,587 --> 00:29:05,267
Speaker 15: his craft. We're going to finish a couple of opportunities and.

609
00:29:05,267 --> 00:29:08,387
Speaker 2: We're all aware that mercurial is the word that he used. Now,

610
00:29:08,387 --> 00:29:10,587
Speaker 2: I look that up because I needed to make sure

611
00:29:10,587 --> 00:29:14,227
Speaker 2: that I had the right definition mercurial. It's got a

612
00:29:14,267 --> 00:29:16,747
Speaker 2: couple of meanings actually describes. The first one is it

613
00:29:16,827 --> 00:29:20,467
Speaker 2: describes someone who's mood or behavior is changeable and unpredictable.

614
00:29:21,227 --> 00:29:24,387
Speaker 2: But it also means someone who is clever, lively, and quick.

615
00:29:25,067 --> 00:29:28,067
Speaker 2: So I think all of those probably apply to Damien McKenzie.

616
00:29:28,587 --> 00:29:32,987
Speaker 2: So would Raiser consider a change at first five for

617
00:29:33,107 --> 00:29:35,107
Speaker 2: the Test against Australia and Wellington.

618
00:29:35,267 --> 00:29:37,507
Speaker 16: Oh, that's a good question, I'll well beck them.

619
00:29:37,547 --> 00:29:38,187
Speaker 2: You've got to do that.

620
00:29:38,747 --> 00:29:40,747
Speaker 15: You've got to give someone an opportunity and time to

621
00:29:40,827 --> 00:29:43,307
Speaker 15: hold those reins as long as they possibly can, and

622
00:29:43,667 --> 00:29:46,147
Speaker 15: also have someone that can ast and play there because

623
00:29:46,147 --> 00:29:48,547
Speaker 15: obviously we changed so quickly. Obviously oponents that completely that

624
00:29:48,707 --> 00:29:53,587
Speaker 15: with the semper feeder injured, we've been injured again. You know,

625
00:29:53,667 --> 00:29:55,867
Speaker 15: Harry's coming and had a little cameo and it was

626
00:29:55,907 --> 00:29:57,347
Speaker 15: a great moment for him after the game.

627
00:29:57,467 --> 00:29:59,147
Speaker 16: And yeah, so those are the two options.

628
00:29:59,387 --> 00:30:03,027
Speaker 2: So there you go, that's Raises thinking. Damien McKenzie is

629
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Speaker 2: one of two players I mentioned this yesterday. He and

630
00:30:04,627 --> 00:30:07,427
Speaker 2: Alie Saville are the only two who have started all

631
00:30:07,507 --> 00:30:10,707
Speaker 2: eight test matches? Will he get a knight in Wellington?

632
00:30:10,747 --> 00:30:12,347
Speaker 2: Be keen to hear of you. I eight hundred and

633
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Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty twenty to one speed line if you

634
00:30:15,067 --> 00:30:17,427
Speaker 2: want to jump aboard back with your calls or more

635
00:30:17,467 --> 00:30:19,187
Speaker 2: of them after this on Weekend Sport.

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Speaker 4: Baby now New Zealand.

640
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Speaker 3: Managing to link up with said Titi brings it over halfway,

641
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Speaker 3: presents nicely down a left hand side, right him right

642
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Speaker 3: timer through the line up towards the twenty two Hey

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Speaker 3: support Rickayowanne down a left side rick Kyowanne gets the

644
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Speaker 3: All Black second.

645
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Ricka Yanna you were to try last night. He

646
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Speaker 2: has a scored a triph of the All Blacks for

647
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Speaker 2: a while. Good to see him on the score sheet

648
00:30:50,467 --> 00:30:52,547
Speaker 2: last night. I eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty

649
00:30:52,627 --> 00:30:54,227
Speaker 2: for your thoughts seventeen to one, get I.

650
00:30:54,267 --> 00:30:57,547
Speaker 17: Mark get a binding any squad is playing on the wing,

651
00:30:57,667 --> 00:30:58,627
Speaker 17: that that's the position.

652
00:31:00,707 --> 00:31:03,787
Speaker 2: I knew you're going to say that point out of everybody.

653
00:31:04,267 --> 00:31:06,827
Speaker 17: Look, I reck when I rang yesterday, I will worried.

654
00:31:06,827 --> 00:31:09,707
Speaker 17: I'm still worried. I'm still I'm still worried. I'm probably

655
00:31:09,827 --> 00:31:15,747
Speaker 17: more worried. As we said Mackenzie, I likened him Dispenser.

656
00:31:16,307 --> 00:31:16,787
Speaker 4: I still do.

657
00:31:17,587 --> 00:31:21,507
Speaker 17: I think that in that era with Spencer, you had

658
00:31:21,747 --> 00:31:25,587
Speaker 17: the other side of the coin, which was Mertens now Mertons.

659
00:31:25,627 --> 00:31:28,227
Speaker 17: You knew what Mertons was going to do. You absolutely

660
00:31:28,307 --> 00:31:30,467
Speaker 17: knew exactly what he was going to do every time

661
00:31:30,507 --> 00:31:33,707
Speaker 17: he had the ball in his hand pretty much, and

662
00:31:34,627 --> 00:31:36,067
Speaker 17: the All Blacks were pretty done.

663
00:31:35,947 --> 00:31:36,947
Speaker 7: Good under Mertons.

664
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Speaker 17: I just look, I agree with the caller a little

665
00:31:40,227 --> 00:31:43,707
Speaker 17: bit earlier about giving Harry Plumber ag Look, Harry Plumber

666
00:31:43,987 --> 00:31:46,587
Speaker 17: might be the number three choice out there, behind Reuben Love,

667
00:31:46,707 --> 00:31:50,427
Speaker 17: behind Pera Better, but he won, He won a twelve

668
00:31:50,507 --> 00:31:54,227
Speaker 17: title and he and he controlled that team from the pivot.

669
00:31:55,107 --> 00:31:58,107
Speaker 17: And that's the sort of thing I'm looking for in

670
00:31:58,267 --> 00:32:02,387
Speaker 17: terms of the All Black structure of their game. We

671
00:32:02,627 --> 00:32:06,027
Speaker 17: won an unstructured manner early on, all over the shop

672
00:32:06,187 --> 00:32:10,467
Speaker 17: and we got lucky. Uh. I think Australia have got

673
00:32:10,507 --> 00:32:13,507
Speaker 17: more in them. I don't think they'll come to Wellington

674
00:32:13,587 --> 00:32:18,387
Speaker 17: and knock us off. But they found a baseline last

675
00:32:18,467 --> 00:32:21,147
Speaker 17: night for themselves that I think burn Cotter will go. Okay,

676
00:32:21,987 --> 00:32:24,467
Speaker 17: we know where we're at now and we know we

677
00:32:24,547 --> 00:32:27,507
Speaker 17: could find a way forward for Australia. But for ourselves,

678
00:32:28,787 --> 00:32:31,867
Speaker 17: I'm still concerned. As I said yesterday, it's a bit

679
00:32:31,907 --> 00:32:34,947
Speaker 17: of a nuts and bolts team, a bit of a pitcher, yeah,

680
00:32:36,547 --> 00:32:39,867
Speaker 17: a bit of a mongrel where and what we're always

681
00:32:39,907 --> 00:32:43,227
Speaker 17: after is a pure bread. Yeah, we want that. We

682
00:32:43,347 --> 00:32:46,347
Speaker 17: want that thorough bread all black teams. And at the

683
00:32:46,427 --> 00:32:49,627
Speaker 17: moment when we've got wet, when we've got this thing,

684
00:32:49,787 --> 00:32:54,347
Speaker 17: that's it's not really taking shape, it's not showing us

685
00:32:54,387 --> 00:32:59,387
Speaker 17: it's true colors. I'm not seeing. I'm not seeing a style.

686
00:33:00,627 --> 00:33:03,667
Speaker 17: And that's what great sort of teams have is they

687
00:33:03,787 --> 00:33:05,187
Speaker 17: have a style about them.

688
00:33:06,027 --> 00:33:06,827
Speaker 18: I'm a game.

689
00:33:07,667 --> 00:33:10,067
Speaker 17: We'll get through next week and then we've got a

690
00:33:10,187 --> 00:33:15,147
Speaker 17: big task coming up, big in England, Ireland and France.

691
00:33:16,027 --> 00:33:19,747
Speaker 17: We could come Owen three people, we could come away

692
00:33:19,867 --> 00:33:20,547
Speaker 17: Owen three.

693
00:33:21,787 --> 00:33:24,827
Speaker 2: Hey, one question for you, Mark, if you had the choice, okay,

694
00:33:25,067 --> 00:33:27,347
Speaker 2: if you were selecting the team, would you let's just

695
00:33:27,387 --> 00:33:29,787
Speaker 2: say you had the choice between Bowden Barrett and Harry

696
00:33:29,827 --> 00:33:32,547
Speaker 2: Plumber to start at ten next week. Who would you choose?

697
00:33:32,547 --> 00:33:37,587
Speaker 2: Who would you choose? Barrett all Right, yep, I'd got

698
00:33:37,627 --> 00:33:39,707
Speaker 2: on you always good chatting mate. I'd like to see

699
00:33:39,907 --> 00:33:43,827
Speaker 2: Harry Plumber given another opportunity. Four minutes last night was

700
00:33:44,427 --> 00:33:46,067
Speaker 2: kind of tough, really in a you know, in a

701
00:33:46,147 --> 00:33:48,067
Speaker 2: high pressure situation. Good on the for throwing him on,

702
00:33:48,107 --> 00:33:49,427
Speaker 2: but you don't learn a lot about a guy from

703
00:33:49,427 --> 00:33:51,187
Speaker 2: four minutes. I think we learned a lot about Harry

704
00:33:51,187 --> 00:33:54,867
Speaker 2: Plumber during the Super Rugby season. I wouldn't mind seeing

705
00:33:54,947 --> 00:33:57,747
Speaker 2: him giving a go rece Hi.

706
00:33:59,187 --> 00:34:00,147
Speaker 19: Hey, hey, young buddy.

707
00:34:00,547 --> 00:34:00,907
Speaker 20: Very good.

708
00:34:02,427 --> 00:34:04,987
Speaker 19: Absolutely, I'm a big Harry Plumber fan, and I'm a

709
00:34:05,027 --> 00:34:08,587
Speaker 19: bluestand so on the bias. But still I was I

710
00:34:08,667 --> 00:34:10,747
Speaker 19: was screaming at the TV last night for them to

711
00:34:10,787 --> 00:34:14,187
Speaker 19: put them on, because, as you kept saying about Mackenzie

712
00:34:14,347 --> 00:34:17,027
Speaker 19: and this the structure that the All Blacks don't have,

713
00:34:17,187 --> 00:34:19,987
Speaker 19: and I think it's is in that middle with Mackenzie,

714
00:34:20,067 --> 00:34:23,027
Speaker 19: because yes, he's unpredictable to the other team, but he's

715
00:34:23,067 --> 00:34:25,507
Speaker 19: also unpredictable to his own teammates and they don't know

716
00:34:25,547 --> 00:34:29,187
Speaker 19: what he's going to do next. And how many times,

717
00:34:29,507 --> 00:34:31,267
Speaker 19: how many times have you seen him in these last

718
00:34:31,307 --> 00:34:34,227
Speaker 19: Test matches where Satiti or the Fords or the loose

719
00:34:34,307 --> 00:34:36,707
Speaker 19: Foras are actually picking the ball out of the year

720
00:34:36,747 --> 00:34:40,947
Speaker 19: before it even gets to them. They're intercepting that they're

721
00:34:40,987 --> 00:34:42,907
Speaker 19: intercepting the ball from of their own players.

722
00:34:45,187 --> 00:34:49,987
Speaker 18: So I just explain that race, wef McKenzie.

723
00:34:50,707 --> 00:34:53,507
Speaker 19: Yeah, I'm just saying how everyone keeps going on about

724
00:34:53,547 --> 00:34:55,787
Speaker 19: this unpredictability of them.

725
00:34:56,067 --> 00:34:58,067
Speaker 2: And yeah, the bit about the bit about are you

726
00:34:58,187 --> 00:35:01,387
Speaker 2: are you saying that the passes he throws guys who

727
00:35:01,427 --> 00:35:03,507
Speaker 2: aren't the intended target are picking it up.

728
00:35:05,627 --> 00:35:09,627
Speaker 19: Yeah, well, Stetti that in that last Test match against

729
00:35:09,627 --> 00:35:12,707
Speaker 19: South Africa he picked out two out of the year

730
00:35:13,107 --> 00:35:17,067
Speaker 19: from that we're going to McKenzie. But Lewis forwards are

731
00:35:17,107 --> 00:35:19,387
Speaker 19: picked plucking it out of the year when that's not

732
00:35:19,507 --> 00:35:23,387
Speaker 19: even meant for them. But they don't even know what.

733
00:35:23,427 --> 00:35:24,147
Speaker 21: He's going to do next.

734
00:35:24,227 --> 00:35:27,267
Speaker 19: And that's why these passes at the end or at

735
00:35:27,307 --> 00:35:31,667
Speaker 19: the end of these phases aren't connecting because they don't

736
00:35:31,667 --> 00:35:32,587
Speaker 19: even know what he's going to do.

737
00:35:33,387 --> 00:35:34,107
Speaker 8: What about these.

738
00:35:34,467 --> 00:35:37,827
Speaker 19: Passes and a couple of test those Test matches against

739
00:35:37,827 --> 00:35:38,867
Speaker 19: South Africa.

740
00:35:39,427 --> 00:35:42,307
Speaker 2: So you'd be willing to Yeah, so you'd be willing

741
00:35:42,387 --> 00:35:45,667
Speaker 2: to give up the unpredictability which can be a superpower

742
00:35:46,067 --> 00:35:49,787
Speaker 2: for the more structured certainty of a guy like Harry Plummer.

743
00:35:50,987 --> 00:35:53,387
Speaker 19: Absolutely, that's the all Blacks way, and that's always been

744
00:35:53,427 --> 00:35:56,347
Speaker 19: the all Black structure. Look at their forwards. We absolutely

745
00:35:56,427 --> 00:35:58,987
Speaker 19: matched South Africa and that those test matches against in

746
00:35:59,107 --> 00:36:03,027
Speaker 19: the forward pack they couldn't match. When everyone thought that

747
00:36:03,067 --> 00:36:04,827
Speaker 19: we were going to get run over in the forwards

748
00:36:04,867 --> 00:36:07,747
Speaker 19: while their back with the role mauls in the lineouts,

749
00:36:07,827 --> 00:36:10,147
Speaker 19: that we didn't. We held our own in the scrum,

750
00:36:10,227 --> 00:36:12,747
Speaker 19: we held her own in the rolling mauls, and then

751
00:36:12,747 --> 00:36:14,107
Speaker 19: it would get to the backs and there was just

752
00:36:14,187 --> 00:36:16,467
Speaker 19: no structure. And I reckon it starts with fat ten

753
00:36:17,227 --> 00:36:19,107
Speaker 19: and then he had both and buried at fifteen. He's

754
00:36:19,147 --> 00:36:22,107
Speaker 19: been a prodigal son of number ten for how many years?

755
00:36:23,387 --> 00:36:29,667
Speaker 19: And then they put him in fifteen and everyone says that, well, Raiser,

756
00:36:29,747 --> 00:36:33,067
Speaker 19: this morning came that you need to let Damien find

757
00:36:33,107 --> 00:36:36,427
Speaker 19: his feet. He's been a normalck since twenty and sixteen.

758
00:36:36,467 --> 00:36:39,707
Speaker 19: It's not like he's new to the game or new

759
00:36:39,787 --> 00:36:42,867
Speaker 19: to the team. It had his charmped he had plenty

760
00:36:42,907 --> 00:36:43,467
Speaker 19: of chances.

761
00:36:45,387 --> 00:36:48,547
Speaker 2: Thanks Terese, appreciate your call. We may well see Horry

762
00:36:48,547 --> 00:36:51,147
Speaker 2: Plumber get a greater role in Wellington. I think the

763
00:36:51,507 --> 00:36:54,147
Speaker 2: comments from Scott Robertson that we played earlier would suggest

764
00:36:54,187 --> 00:36:57,347
Speaker 2: that Damian McKenzie is not a lock for the first

765
00:36:57,387 --> 00:37:01,027
Speaker 2: five jersey in Wellington. He just on your point about

766
00:37:01,227 --> 00:37:03,787
Speaker 2: and finding his feet. Most of us all Black rugby

767
00:37:03,827 --> 00:37:07,267
Speaker 2: has been at fullback, so finding his feet in the

768
00:37:07,347 --> 00:37:10,907
Speaker 2: first five position I think is what Razor is talking

769
00:37:10,947 --> 00:37:13,787
Speaker 2: about there. And I do admire I've said this a lot.

770
00:37:13,867 --> 00:37:16,907
Speaker 2: I admire the loyalty that he's shown to Damien McKenzie

771
00:37:16,907 --> 00:37:19,987
Speaker 2: and giving him eight tests in a row. What he

772
00:37:20,107 --> 00:37:23,267
Speaker 2: does in Wellington against the Wallabies will be very very interesting,

773
00:37:23,387 --> 00:37:25,547
Speaker 2: Thanks Reese. I hope Harry Plummer does get a crack,

774
00:37:26,067 --> 00:37:28,867
Speaker 2: either off the bench or maybe in the ten jersey. Mike,

775
00:37:28,947 --> 00:37:29,267
Speaker 2: how are you?

776
00:37:30,707 --> 00:37:30,907
Speaker 5: Yeah?

777
00:37:30,947 --> 00:37:31,107
Speaker 22: Good?

778
00:37:31,427 --> 00:37:31,747
Speaker 4: Funny?

779
00:37:32,187 --> 00:37:32,587
Speaker 5: Hey, listen.

780
00:37:33,547 --> 00:37:37,027
Speaker 9: Mackenzie's bench player is an impact player all day long,

781
00:37:37,107 --> 00:37:41,147
Speaker 9: you know. And I don't rate Plumber. And there's a

782
00:37:41,307 --> 00:37:45,267
Speaker 9: rumors swirling around about Mala Richard Wunger coming back, which

783
00:37:45,307 --> 00:37:48,467
Speaker 9: I hope is done true. And he's got another five

784
00:37:48,547 --> 00:37:51,027
Speaker 9: years in the ten jersey for the All Backs, and

785
00:37:51,427 --> 00:37:54,827
Speaker 9: I think the Rugby Union should just pay him out

786
00:37:54,867 --> 00:37:56,747
Speaker 9: of this contract and get him back here as at

787
00:37:56,827 --> 00:38:02,387
Speaker 9: P because we're diluting the brand by paying guys out

788
00:38:02,427 --> 00:38:05,267
Speaker 9: a position, and that art suited the all back rugby.

789
00:38:06,347 --> 00:38:08,067
Speaker 2: Who would you pick in the ten jersey next week?

790
00:38:08,107 --> 00:38:10,867
Speaker 2: Your options are probably McKenzie, Bote and Barreler, Harry Plummer.

791
00:38:10,867 --> 00:38:12,787
Speaker 2: Who would you pick there next week? I take your

792
00:38:12,787 --> 00:38:15,027
Speaker 2: point him Warnger and from what I understand, probably hearing

793
00:38:15,027 --> 00:38:17,347
Speaker 2: the same things you are, that he'll probably be back

794
00:38:17,707 --> 00:38:20,387
Speaker 2: in the middle of twenty twenty five. So who would

795
00:38:20,387 --> 00:38:20,987
Speaker 2: you pick next week?

796
00:38:22,507 --> 00:38:24,827
Speaker 9: I'll pick that and put McKenzie on the bench as

797
00:38:24,907 --> 00:38:27,467
Speaker 9: impact player because we're looking the impact on the bench

798
00:38:27,827 --> 00:38:30,187
Speaker 9: at all, and I think if he leads a kind

799
00:38:30,227 --> 00:38:33,147
Speaker 9: of a certain kind of way off the bench with

800
00:38:33,267 --> 00:38:35,147
Speaker 9: a bunch of other guys, we will get the impact

801
00:38:35,187 --> 00:38:36,467
Speaker 9: in the last twenty minuts.

802
00:38:36,307 --> 00:38:36,867
Speaker 5: We've been lacking.

803
00:38:36,947 --> 00:38:41,787
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, Mike, Yes, you look at Damien McKenzie

804
00:38:41,787 --> 00:38:44,467
Speaker 2: and what he does and it almost screams impact player,

805
00:38:44,507 --> 00:38:46,867
Speaker 2: doesn't it. You know, that ability to run and broken

806
00:38:46,947 --> 00:38:49,787
Speaker 2: play to run it tied defenders to you know, to

807
00:38:50,547 --> 00:38:53,747
Speaker 2: use that skill set when play isn't quite as structured.

808
00:38:54,267 --> 00:38:56,107
Speaker 2: They've given him a crack at first five, and I

809
00:38:56,147 --> 00:38:58,427
Speaker 2: think it was the right decision to do that initially

810
00:38:58,587 --> 00:39:00,947
Speaker 2: and to stick with him At some point though they

811
00:39:01,027 --> 00:39:04,187
Speaker 2: have to decide whether he is your man moving forward.

812
00:39:05,827 --> 00:39:09,227
Speaker 2: As I say, it'll be very very instructive the selection

813
00:39:09,467 --> 00:39:14,107
Speaker 2: for the Wallabies test in Wellington on Saturday. Just a

814
00:39:14,187 --> 00:39:16,827
Speaker 2: couple of injury things someone's asked about. Stephen Pettifetter injured

815
00:39:16,867 --> 00:39:19,667
Speaker 2: at the moment, so not in contention Jeordi Barrett by

816
00:39:19,707 --> 00:39:22,787
Speaker 2: the sounds of things, out for four to six weeks

817
00:39:23,227 --> 00:39:25,067
Speaker 2: with a knee injury. So there's going to have to

818
00:39:25,107 --> 00:39:28,227
Speaker 2: be a change in midfield as well. Maybe Billy Proctor

819
00:39:28,547 --> 00:39:30,667
Speaker 2: gets a chance even though he's not a second five.

820
00:39:30,947 --> 00:39:33,107
Speaker 2: Maybe there's a shuffle there, Maybe Nton Lennart Brann comes

821
00:39:33,147 --> 00:39:35,267
Speaker 2: into second five. I'd love to see Billy proc to

822
00:39:35,307 --> 00:39:38,427
Speaker 2: get an opportunity on his home ground again. We wait

823
00:39:38,467 --> 00:39:40,707
Speaker 2: to see eight Away from one. News TALKSB.

824
00:39:42,067 --> 00:39:44,667
Speaker 1: The schoo from the track, Fields and the Court on

825
00:39:44,827 --> 00:39:49,267
Speaker 1: your home of Sport Weekend Sport with Jason vine Us talks.

826
00:39:49,067 --> 00:39:52,147
Speaker 2: EDB five to one more on the All Blacks Wallabies

827
00:39:52,187 --> 00:39:55,187
Speaker 2: After one o'clock, David Camps Wallaby's legend going to ring us,

828
00:39:55,227 --> 00:39:56,947
Speaker 2: so or going to talk to us. We'll ring him,

829
00:39:56,947 --> 00:39:59,627
Speaker 2: I think, to give us a view from that side

830
00:39:59,707 --> 00:40:02,827
Speaker 2: of the Tasman. More of your calls, welcome, heaps of text.

831
00:40:02,867 --> 00:40:04,427
Speaker 2: I'm sorry I can't get to them all. There are

832
00:40:04,747 --> 00:40:06,987
Speaker 2: a lot of really good points bing made on text

833
00:40:07,027 --> 00:40:09,307
Speaker 2: here which I'll try to get to. Just a final

834
00:40:09,387 --> 00:40:13,827
Speaker 2: couple of comments from Razer before we go to the news.

835
00:40:15,747 --> 00:40:18,307
Speaker 2: How do you make it click was one of the

836
00:40:18,427 --> 00:40:20,267
Speaker 2: questions that was asked of Raiser this morning.

837
00:40:20,427 --> 00:40:23,267
Speaker 16: Look we have the confidence side of it to create

838
00:40:23,347 --> 00:40:25,867
Speaker 16: them anyway. And look, we've talked.

839
00:40:26,987 --> 00:40:29,147
Speaker 15: You know, we've had some more meetings in Sachi and Sachia.

840
00:40:29,187 --> 00:40:33,267
Speaker 15: Feels like around the extual opportunity to to see them. Now,

841
00:40:33,347 --> 00:40:35,387
Speaker 15: how are we going to finish them? And you know,

842
00:40:35,827 --> 00:40:38,587
Speaker 15: fronted up and you know you want to take any

843
00:40:38,667 --> 00:40:41,267
Speaker 15: negative tension around that. You want to show that this

844
00:40:41,507 --> 00:40:45,467
Speaker 15: is it boys, train it now, give it.

845
00:40:45,747 --> 00:40:48,427
Speaker 16: It's been there. It's just listen to happen. Just to click.

846
00:40:48,787 --> 00:40:50,587
Speaker 2: You got the little click of the fingers there from

847
00:40:50,907 --> 00:40:53,467
Speaker 2: Raser to illustrate the point, Jason, if you leave Mackenzie

848
00:40:53,507 --> 00:40:55,227
Speaker 2: on the bench and Jordi Barrett's out, who takes the

849
00:40:55,307 --> 00:40:58,227
Speaker 2: kicks a goal, asks Colin. It's a good question, Colin.

850
00:40:58,267 --> 00:41:01,067
Speaker 2: I presume whoever plays first five. Voden Barrett's a goal kicker.

851
00:41:01,187 --> 00:41:03,427
Speaker 2: Harry Plumber's a goal kicker, so I presume they do.

852
00:41:04,827 --> 00:41:07,347
Speaker 2: They won't go in there without a plan around goalkicking,

853
00:41:07,387 --> 00:41:10,027
Speaker 2: but I would imagine that that that is what they

854
00:41:10,067 --> 00:41:14,547
Speaker 2: will do. And it finally from Razor on the yellow cards.

855
00:41:14,747 --> 00:41:17,547
Speaker 15: If very disappointed. You know, A big focus for us

856
00:41:17,627 --> 00:41:20,027
Speaker 15: was our discipline, especially when you get on your own

857
00:41:20,067 --> 00:41:21,947
Speaker 15: line and phenlong for a period of time. This one

858
00:41:21,987 --> 00:41:24,067
Speaker 15: place wanted to clean up. Obviously gets the boxes, one

859
00:41:24,107 --> 00:41:26,227
Speaker 15: area that they target us and we needed to be

860
00:41:26,307 --> 00:41:27,667
Speaker 15: clean and we wasn't good enough.

861
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Speaker 16: We'll assisted again.

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Speaker 15: It's a focus for us.

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Speaker 2: Yes, News next at one, then David Campc then more

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Speaker 2: of your course.

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Speaker 1: It's the only place to discuss the biggest sports issues

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Speaker 1: on and aster fields.

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Speaker 10: It's all on WEE Jam Sport.

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Speaker 1: With Jason Vane on your home of Sport, What New Talk.

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Speaker 2: One O seven. Welcome back into the show or welcome

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Speaker 2: into the show. This is Weekend Sport until three on

871
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Speaker 2: Jason Pine this hour. David Campci standing by the chat

872
00:41:58,307 --> 00:42:02,067
Speaker 2: to us Wallaby's legend. What's he made of the Wallabies

873
00:42:02,107 --> 00:42:04,267
Speaker 2: under Joe Schmidt? What did he make of last night?

874
00:42:04,467 --> 00:42:07,587
Speaker 2: And how long until the wall of can again become

875
00:42:08,347 --> 00:42:11,347
Speaker 2: a true rugby superpower like they were when he was

876
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Speaker 2: in the Jersey back in the early nineties, in and

877
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Speaker 2: around that time. James mccony this hour as well. We've

878
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Speaker 2: got time for more of your calls to eight hundred

879
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Speaker 2: and eighty ten eight. He couldn't get everybody on the

880
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Speaker 2: air last hour. We'll try and do that this hour

881
00:42:23,467 --> 00:42:26,667
Speaker 2: Live Sport, just updating you from Eden Park and the

882
00:42:26,787 --> 00:42:31,507
Speaker 2: Fara Palmer Cup Premiership. Hawks Bay doing a number on Auckland.

883
00:42:32,507 --> 00:42:35,827
Speaker 2: Seven minutes to go. They lead forty three seventeen. The

884
00:42:35,907 --> 00:42:39,187
Speaker 2: Hawks Bay two over the Auckland Storm, but further south

885
00:42:39,227 --> 00:42:41,907
Speaker 2: than the Rotterdua, it is the Bay of Plenty Volcanics

886
00:42:42,747 --> 00:42:47,467
Speaker 2: leading Canterbury seventeen points to twelve. We've had about ten

887
00:42:47,547 --> 00:42:49,747
Speaker 2: minutes in the second half there. As far as the

888
00:42:50,067 --> 00:42:53,147
Speaker 2: Bunnings MPC is concerned, they're underways. You heard clay mention

889
00:42:53,587 --> 00:42:55,747
Speaker 2: in the Sports news in Hamilton. Why cuttle seven to

890
00:42:55,867 --> 00:42:58,547
Speaker 2: ahead of Tasman after just a couple of minutes? Dreams

891
00:42:58,587 --> 00:43:00,747
Speaker 2: start for the home side with the converted try inside

892
00:43:00,787 --> 00:43:06,027
Speaker 2: two minutes. So why hat overhead of Tasman Auckland Place

893
00:43:06,107 --> 00:43:08,827
Speaker 2: South at five past two Monter or two Otago also

894
00:43:09,147 --> 00:43:11,347
Speaker 2: at five past two. A couple of texts before we

895
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Speaker 2: move on, Craig says, Jason, here's my back line for

896
00:43:13,507 --> 00:43:18,627
Speaker 2: next week. Latimer Plumber A midfield of Anton Lennett, Brown

897
00:43:18,747 --> 00:43:21,707
Speaker 2: and Billy Proctor, Caleb on one wing, Rico on the other,

898
00:43:21,867 --> 00:43:25,907
Speaker 2: Jordan at fullback on the bench, DJ Body and d

899
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Speaker 2: mac Interesting and again it's funny I defaulted to, but

900
00:43:31,187 --> 00:43:32,867
Speaker 2: who's going to cover this position? When I look at

901
00:43:32,907 --> 00:43:35,427
Speaker 2: your reserves, Craig, But I see yesterday and we need

902
00:43:35,507 --> 00:43:38,027
Speaker 2: to change our thinking. Where do we get the impact

903
00:43:38,107 --> 00:43:40,387
Speaker 2: off the bench rather than who do we use to

904
00:43:40,467 --> 00:43:42,587
Speaker 2: cover if there's an injury. Of course, you look at

905
00:43:42,627 --> 00:43:44,627
Speaker 2: your team and I know what you'll say. Rico covers

906
00:43:44,667 --> 00:43:48,627
Speaker 2: midfield for you if need be, so, I don't mind

907
00:43:48,947 --> 00:43:51,507
Speaker 2: Boden Barrett and Damien Mackenzie on the bench. Would that

908
00:43:51,587 --> 00:43:55,867
Speaker 2: have ever happened? Would we ever have had Boden Barrett

909
00:43:55,907 --> 00:43:59,947
Speaker 2: and Damien Mackenzie on the bench at the same time? Oh,

910
00:44:00,067 --> 00:44:01,907
Speaker 2: Craig continues Ricco needs to be on the wing to

911
00:44:01,947 --> 00:44:04,707
Speaker 2: cover midfield. There you go, which allows for both Barrett

912
00:44:04,707 --> 00:44:08,147
Speaker 2: and dmac on the bench. Thanks Craig Jason Seyshawn On fitness,

913
00:44:09,187 --> 00:44:11,307
Speaker 2: I agree it seems unlikely the All Black standards have

914
00:44:11,427 --> 00:44:14,067
Speaker 2: slipped as far as fitness is concerned, but I do

915
00:44:14,267 --> 00:44:17,067
Speaker 2: think other teams have finally got up to speed with that,

916
00:44:17,627 --> 00:44:21,907
Speaker 2: possibly due to diffusion of New Zealand coaches and approaches,

917
00:44:22,507 --> 00:44:25,547
Speaker 2: so that we no longer have that relative advantage. Coupled

918
00:44:25,587 --> 00:44:27,987
Speaker 2: that with a reduced number of players who would make

919
00:44:28,027 --> 00:44:29,987
Speaker 2: a World fifteen right now, and that's showing up in

920
00:44:30,027 --> 00:44:33,387
Speaker 2: our results. Thanks Shan, your calls and texts continue to

921
00:44:33,427 --> 00:44:36,027
Speaker 2: be welcomed. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty nine

922
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Speaker 2: two ninety two is the text line.

923
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Speaker 3: All right hands either got numbers to Wallabies, Tom Wrights

924
00:44:41,227 --> 00:44:44,907
Speaker 3: right reaches out right the try and the Wallabies we'll

925
00:44:45,027 --> 00:44:47,267
Speaker 3: have a chance to try and win this game out

926
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Speaker 3: of nowhere.

927
00:44:47,907 --> 00:44:50,187
Speaker 2: Yea, That tribe was converted thirty one twenty eight, so

928
00:44:50,267 --> 00:44:53,467
Speaker 2: a final few nervous moments for All Blacks fans before

929
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Speaker 2: the result was finally secured. Let's get you across the

930
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Speaker 2: Tasman for an Australian viewpoint from Wallaby's legend David Campsei

931
00:45:01,227 --> 00:45:04,827
Speaker 2: who joins US now David thirty one twenty eight. Do

932
00:45:04,907 --> 00:45:06,947
Speaker 2: you think the Wallabies will look at this one is

933
00:45:07,147 --> 00:45:09,507
Speaker 2: one that perhaps they let slip away?

934
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Speaker 5: Yeah?

935
00:45:10,707 --> 00:45:13,107
Speaker 23: Mate, I think it's the way the game started. It

936
00:45:13,147 --> 00:45:14,867
Speaker 23: looked like the All Blacks were going to just win

937
00:45:14,987 --> 00:45:18,707
Speaker 23: by fifty. But then obviously, you know, I've never seen

938
00:45:18,707 --> 00:45:23,267
Speaker 23: an All Black team really made so many mistakes and

939
00:45:23,427 --> 00:45:27,227
Speaker 23: they obviously the first the first two tries at the

940
00:45:27,267 --> 00:45:31,427
Speaker 23: Stralias Corps were pretty simple, especially defensive errors, which is

941
00:45:31,547 --> 00:45:35,027
Speaker 23: very unusual. But again the Wallabies came back well they

942
00:45:35,867 --> 00:45:38,187
Speaker 23: you know, the pretty good performance. We've got some really

943
00:45:38,227 --> 00:45:41,907
Speaker 23: good individual players, but we still haven't really gelled properly

944
00:45:41,947 --> 00:45:47,547
Speaker 23: yet and I just think it's look, it's kind of

945
00:45:47,627 --> 00:45:50,787
Speaker 23: it might take a while, but you know, I think

946
00:45:50,867 --> 00:45:54,347
Speaker 23: it's also interesting to see the way the All Blacks

947
00:45:54,467 --> 00:45:57,147
Speaker 23: have played. I mean, they were roped by twenty one

948
00:45:57,227 --> 00:45:59,307
Speaker 23: points I think it was, and it was like the

949
00:45:59,627 --> 00:46:01,667
Speaker 23: game in South Africa. They're roped by twenty points in

950
00:46:01,707 --> 00:46:04,747
Speaker 23: the first game. Most All Black teams are passed would

951
00:46:04,827 --> 00:46:09,187
Speaker 23: make it forty points, and they just don't seem to

952
00:46:09,387 --> 00:46:13,547
Speaker 23: have that killer instinct or that resolve to you know,

953
00:46:13,747 --> 00:46:17,667
Speaker 23: to make the opposition really suffer. They just sort of

954
00:46:17,667 --> 00:46:19,507
Speaker 23: took the foot off the panel and made some mistakes

955
00:46:19,547 --> 00:46:22,267
Speaker 23: and you know, brought the Wallabies back into the game.

956
00:46:22,627 --> 00:46:24,947
Speaker 2: Why do you think that is? Why haven't they got

957
00:46:24,987 --> 00:46:27,827
Speaker 2: the killer instinct that's been a trademark, a hallmark of

958
00:46:27,907 --> 00:46:29,347
Speaker 2: all Blacks teams down the years.

959
00:46:30,787 --> 00:46:32,227
Speaker 5: Yeah, look, I'm not really sure.

960
00:46:32,667 --> 00:46:34,587
Speaker 23: Look, you know, I know the game is different now

961
00:46:36,027 --> 00:46:38,507
Speaker 23: and there's so much more, you know, there's so much

962
00:46:38,587 --> 00:46:41,907
Speaker 23: more gone into the rugby, like there's so much more analysis,

963
00:46:42,107 --> 00:46:45,547
Speaker 23: and there's so many more different coaches and just as

964
00:46:45,627 --> 00:46:47,427
Speaker 23: like a simple thing if you watch the warm ups

965
00:46:47,467 --> 00:46:50,227
Speaker 23: of most teams, they do the short little passes the

966
00:46:50,307 --> 00:46:51,827
Speaker 23: warm up, but in the game they don't do the

967
00:46:51,867 --> 00:46:54,787
Speaker 23: short passes. A lot of them do the spirals. Just

968
00:46:54,867 --> 00:46:57,227
Speaker 23: a little simple thing. So it's when you get out

969
00:46:57,267 --> 00:47:00,107
Speaker 23: there under pressure and you could see, you know, even

970
00:47:00,507 --> 00:47:03,787
Speaker 23: Damian McKenzie some of the passes that went to ground,

971
00:47:03,827 --> 00:47:06,267
Speaker 23: which is very unusual that level. And that flick passage

972
00:47:06,347 --> 00:47:08,467
Speaker 23: I had to throw in. He didn't need to do that.

973
00:47:08,747 --> 00:47:11,147
Speaker 23: You know, it's probably just I don't know again, they're

974
00:47:11,147 --> 00:47:15,547
Speaker 23: still probably learning as a unit to understand each other

975
00:47:15,627 --> 00:47:17,907
Speaker 23: which are the lines they run. And I think Boden

976
00:47:17,947 --> 00:47:20,587
Speaker 23: Barrett was missing badly as well. I think Jordan's a

977
00:47:20,707 --> 00:47:23,067
Speaker 23: very good player, but I think it's more of a finisher.

978
00:47:23,867 --> 00:47:25,947
Speaker 23: He's not really a creator, and I think that's where

979
00:47:25,947 --> 00:47:29,387
Speaker 23: Boden Barrett sort of adds that extra spice to the backline.

980
00:47:29,867 --> 00:47:31,907
Speaker 2: How far away do you think the Wallabies are from

981
00:47:32,107 --> 00:47:34,387
Speaker 2: challenging the top three or four sides in the world.

982
00:47:34,467 --> 00:47:37,267
Speaker 5: Again, Well, I just.

983
00:47:37,307 --> 00:47:40,787
Speaker 23: Think it's just interesting that we've we've brought another key

984
00:47:40,827 --> 00:47:43,467
Speaker 23: week coach in that really you know what I would

985
00:47:43,587 --> 00:47:46,307
Speaker 23: thoughts by now that it would have been great if

986
00:47:46,347 --> 00:47:49,187
Speaker 23: he sort of tried to understand what our culture and

987
00:47:49,267 --> 00:47:51,347
Speaker 23: history was and why we were the Wallabies and what

988
00:47:51,467 --> 00:47:54,667
Speaker 23: we were good at. We've got some really good individual players,

989
00:47:55,187 --> 00:47:57,547
Speaker 23: but we keep on changing nine and ten around week

990
00:47:57,627 --> 00:48:00,267
Speaker 23: in week out, and that's as you know, in most games,

991
00:48:00,747 --> 00:48:02,667
Speaker 23: nine and ten of the general you know, they're the

992
00:48:02,947 --> 00:48:06,147
Speaker 23: connection between the forwards and packs. And I think that

993
00:48:06,427 --> 00:48:13,107
Speaker 23: he's still doesn't understand I suppose our mentality, like you know,

994
00:48:13,187 --> 00:48:15,347
Speaker 23: we do really well in that game miss, so we

995
00:48:15,467 --> 00:48:17,787
Speaker 23: really came back. But really, when the All Blacks were

996
00:48:17,787 --> 00:48:19,667
Speaker 23: down to thirteen, why didn't we try and run a

997
00:48:19,707 --> 00:48:23,707
Speaker 23: wide because there was two backs missing? You know, I

998
00:48:23,867 --> 00:48:28,587
Speaker 23: think because our super rugby is not great and obviously

999
00:48:28,667 --> 00:48:31,267
Speaker 23: the next generation coming through which they don't really watch

1000
00:48:31,307 --> 00:48:33,507
Speaker 23: a lot of rugby or they haven't really got a

1001
00:48:33,547 --> 00:48:35,547
Speaker 23: lot of idols who they want to be like because

1002
00:48:35,667 --> 00:48:39,747
Speaker 23: most of obviously in Australi's rugby league. And I just

1003
00:48:39,827 --> 00:48:42,507
Speaker 23: think that we need we just need some players to

1004
00:48:42,627 --> 00:48:44,827
Speaker 23: come through and have the skills but also have the

1005
00:48:44,907 --> 00:48:47,987
Speaker 23: confidence to try and gel and play, you know, and

1006
00:48:48,707 --> 00:48:51,067
Speaker 23: probably get the basic skills right and play a bit

1007
00:48:51,107 --> 00:48:52,307
Speaker 23: better than we have been playing.

1008
00:48:52,667 --> 00:48:54,587
Speaker 2: Do you think he's the right man to coach the Wallabies?

1009
00:48:56,867 --> 00:48:59,267
Speaker 23: Well, unfortunate I think he was the only one available

1010
00:48:59,427 --> 00:49:02,067
Speaker 23: at the time. And I think that, you know, sometimes

1011
00:49:02,107 --> 00:49:05,347
Speaker 23: we panic. We again, we haven't really got to set

1012
00:49:05,427 --> 00:49:09,347
Speaker 23: up in Australia where you know you've got you've got

1013
00:49:09,387 --> 00:49:11,427
Speaker 23: a system where we bring all the young coaches through.

1014
00:49:11,547 --> 00:49:14,787
Speaker 23: Most of the young coaches have to go overseas. And

1015
00:49:14,907 --> 00:49:18,387
Speaker 23: another coach now, the guy called Chris Latham, you know

1016
00:49:18,427 --> 00:49:21,187
Speaker 23: helps him are in twenty nineteen Rugby World Cup. Can't

1017
00:49:21,187 --> 00:49:23,467
Speaker 23: get a start in Australia, didn't want him, goes over

1018
00:49:23,547 --> 00:49:27,267
Speaker 23: to America, makes the final, lost the final this year. Unfortunately,

1019
00:49:27,347 --> 00:49:29,067
Speaker 23: then a couple of weeks started to gets another job

1020
00:49:29,187 --> 00:49:32,227
Speaker 23: over there, and not one person from rugby Australia is

1021
00:49:32,267 --> 00:49:34,507
Speaker 23: interested in him at all. They don't speak to him.

1022
00:49:34,507 --> 00:49:36,827
Speaker 23: They want to see how he's going. Is he interested?

1023
00:49:37,547 --> 00:49:40,187
Speaker 23: That's that's our problem. We don't sort of look after

1024
00:49:40,267 --> 00:49:43,387
Speaker 23: our own and I think also if you notice in

1025
00:49:43,467 --> 00:49:47,027
Speaker 23: the world rugby at the moment, you've got Robertson coach

1026
00:49:47,107 --> 00:49:49,147
Speaker 23: that the all backs played for the New Zealand Russia,

1027
00:49:49,227 --> 00:49:52,587
Speaker 23: Rasmus played for South Africa, ball, we played for England,

1028
00:49:53,587 --> 00:49:58,147
Speaker 23: Townsend played for Scotland's and the French coach obviously he

1029
00:49:58,307 --> 00:50:01,587
Speaker 23: played for France, you know. And we've got a coach

1030
00:50:01,667 --> 00:50:03,267
Speaker 23: that is a New zal I don't know if he

1031
00:50:03,307 --> 00:50:06,907
Speaker 23: actually played for New Zealandia. He's a good coach, but

1032
00:50:07,227 --> 00:50:10,027
Speaker 23: at the moment, you know, we are We were number

1033
00:50:10,107 --> 00:50:12,227
Speaker 23: one two in the world for years and years by

1034
00:50:12,307 --> 00:50:15,307
Speaker 23: playing a certain style. But he's brought into our game

1035
00:50:15,427 --> 00:50:17,507
Speaker 23: like maureling the ball from twenty two meters out, which

1036
00:50:17,547 --> 00:50:20,027
Speaker 23: is not really our style of game. We've got to

1037
00:50:20,067 --> 00:50:22,867
Speaker 23: go back to what we are known for. But again,

1038
00:50:22,947 --> 00:50:27,147
Speaker 23: if the guys haven't got the coach's ability to play

1039
00:50:27,227 --> 00:50:30,107
Speaker 23: the game and try things, you know, we'll probably be

1040
00:50:30,147 --> 00:50:32,627
Speaker 23: stuck in this situation for a couple of years.

1041
00:50:32,947 --> 00:50:35,387
Speaker 2: Are there any you mentioned Chris Latham? Are there any

1042
00:50:35,467 --> 00:50:39,107
Speaker 2: other Australian born candidates to coach the Wallabies right now?

1043
00:50:40,787 --> 00:50:44,587
Speaker 23: Well, look, I think there isn't really because you know,

1044
00:50:44,747 --> 00:50:46,827
Speaker 23: we've got so we had a couple of South African coaches.

1045
00:50:46,947 --> 00:50:50,867
Speaker 23: You had Brad Thorne, obviously he's retired as well. Now

1046
00:50:51,347 --> 00:50:54,347
Speaker 23: you've got Les Kiss who's a rugby league player. I

1047
00:50:54,427 --> 00:50:56,427
Speaker 23: think he's ever played rugby, but he's doing the Reds.

1048
00:50:57,747 --> 00:51:00,467
Speaker 23: And now we've got Kat coming in from England to

1049
00:51:00,547 --> 00:51:05,707
Speaker 23: do the back line. And obviously Check was around was

1050
00:51:05,707 --> 00:51:09,027
Speaker 23: available but is now in England and he's obviously at

1051
00:51:09,427 --> 00:51:13,227
Speaker 23: Leicester and enjoying his stint there. Just got there. So

1052
00:51:13,787 --> 00:51:16,027
Speaker 23: you know, again all our coaches are going around the world.

1053
00:51:16,787 --> 00:51:19,947
Speaker 23: It's obviously you've got to be part of I don't know,

1054
00:51:19,987 --> 00:51:22,307
Speaker 23: at certain club or something that gets the jobs out

1055
00:51:22,347 --> 00:51:25,467
Speaker 23: here because you know, we need to look towards the

1056
00:51:25,507 --> 00:51:28,267
Speaker 23: future as we've got the lines next year and we've

1057
00:51:28,307 --> 00:51:30,227
Speaker 23: got twenty seven Rugby World Cups, so we've got a

1058
00:51:30,267 --> 00:51:32,867
Speaker 23: couple of massive years coming and we need to be

1059
00:51:33,027 --> 00:51:36,107
Speaker 23: in a one, two three position if otherwise, where you

1060
00:51:36,187 --> 00:51:38,187
Speaker 23: know we'll probably struggle. And you know we've League and

1061
00:51:38,227 --> 00:51:41,387
Speaker 23: Ozzie rules in Australia, dominating week in, week out and

1062
00:51:41,707 --> 00:51:44,387
Speaker 23: entertaining people. We need to play a style of rugby

1063
00:51:45,027 --> 00:51:47,547
Speaker 23: that we entertain the people and people come to watch

1064
00:51:47,587 --> 00:51:49,107
Speaker 23: and at the moment it's just not happening.

1065
00:51:49,587 --> 00:51:53,347
Speaker 2: Just one final one. On aura, it's pretty hard to define.

1066
00:51:53,387 --> 00:51:56,627
Speaker 2: I know Campeo, but your teams the of the early

1067
00:51:56,787 --> 00:51:58,747
Speaker 2: nineties had it, the All Blacks have had it at

1068
00:51:58,827 --> 00:52:02,827
Speaker 2: various stages. Once you lose an aura, is it possible

1069
00:52:02,907 --> 00:52:04,267
Speaker 2: to get an aura back?

1070
00:52:06,627 --> 00:52:10,867
Speaker 23: I think it comes from the team, you know. I

1071
00:52:10,987 --> 00:52:13,627
Speaker 23: think also what's very different these days When we played

1072
00:52:14,667 --> 00:52:16,587
Speaker 23: I know, as long time ago, but we would have

1073
00:52:16,667 --> 00:52:20,547
Speaker 23: the same fifteen for probably ten fifteen test matches unless

1074
00:52:20,587 --> 00:52:22,587
Speaker 23: someone got injured. You know, he never came off because

1075
00:52:22,587 --> 00:52:24,907
Speaker 23: if you came off, you never get another run. Now

1076
00:52:25,627 --> 00:52:28,027
Speaker 23: you know you've got forty minutes players, you've got sixty

1077
00:52:28,067 --> 00:52:31,787
Speaker 23: minutes players, you know, And we saw the South Africans

1078
00:52:32,027 --> 00:52:34,547
Speaker 23: lose to Argentina this morning, you know, by a very

1079
00:52:34,587 --> 00:52:38,227
Speaker 23: close margin because a penalty goal, you know, and sometimes

1080
00:52:38,307 --> 00:52:41,427
Speaker 23: it's just the smallest margin of error makes a difference.

1081
00:52:41,507 --> 00:52:45,107
Speaker 23: But the All Blacks have always been known for start

1082
00:52:45,147 --> 00:52:47,187
Speaker 23: off very strong in the first ten and they sort

1083
00:52:47,187 --> 00:52:49,987
Speaker 23: of foot off the pedal the last ten minutes before halftime,

1084
00:52:50,027 --> 00:52:53,027
Speaker 23: they pile on the points. Second half ten minutes, pile

1085
00:52:53,107 --> 00:52:55,267
Speaker 23: on the points, take it easy and if they have

1086
00:52:55,387 --> 00:52:58,107
Speaker 23: to the end. But now what we saw yesterday was

1087
00:52:58,587 --> 00:53:01,907
Speaker 23: a total different team. Yes, they've got a new coach,

1088
00:53:01,987 --> 00:53:06,827
Speaker 23: still understanding. Again, they've lost a lot of experience players

1089
00:53:06,827 --> 00:53:08,427
Speaker 23: as well from last year. I think a lot of

1090
00:53:08,467 --> 00:53:12,187
Speaker 23: teams have and you need the guys to stand up,

1091
00:53:12,267 --> 00:53:15,267
Speaker 23: you know, you need the experienced players. And I think

1092
00:53:15,347 --> 00:53:17,147
Speaker 23: that's where I think South Africa at the moment is

1093
00:53:17,267 --> 00:53:19,707
Speaker 23: miles ahead. They've you know, obviously Russ is a very

1094
00:53:19,707 --> 00:53:22,987
Speaker 23: smart guy. He his plans for the future. I think

1095
00:53:23,027 --> 00:53:25,547
Speaker 23: they can you know, but again, you know, this morning

1096
00:53:25,667 --> 00:53:28,507
Speaker 23: is a simple penalty goal. Two shots that you know,

1097
00:53:28,627 --> 00:53:30,667
Speaker 23: win and lose games now, so at the top level,

1098
00:53:31,267 --> 00:53:33,947
Speaker 23: so like the All Blacks, it'll come back. But they've

1099
00:53:34,067 --> 00:53:36,427
Speaker 23: just got to understand. It's like in the Wall of

1100
00:53:36,427 --> 00:53:38,427
Speaker 23: be you understand why you're playing for your country and

1101
00:53:39,027 --> 00:53:41,627
Speaker 23: you know, and I think that we saw Clark in

1102
00:53:41,707 --> 00:53:43,307
Speaker 23: that towards the end. He didn't have to do what

1103
00:53:43,427 --> 00:53:43,707
Speaker 23: he did.

1104
00:53:44,427 --> 00:53:44,587
Speaker 16: You know.

1105
00:53:44,707 --> 00:53:47,987
Speaker 23: The All Blacks discipline has been normally unbelievably good over

1106
00:53:48,027 --> 00:53:50,707
Speaker 23: the years and years. But in the game, yes, though

1107
00:53:50,747 --> 00:53:53,427
Speaker 23: the discipline was very poor, which is very very unusual.

1108
00:53:53,627 --> 00:53:55,587
Speaker 23: And again that could be down to the leadership on

1109
00:53:55,667 --> 00:53:59,907
Speaker 23: the field and obviously new coach who knows. But you know,

1110
00:54:00,067 --> 00:54:02,947
Speaker 23: they're just not the same as they you know, they

1111
00:54:03,187 --> 00:54:05,947
Speaker 23: haven't been for for well dominated rugby for many years.

1112
00:54:06,387 --> 00:54:08,467
Speaker 2: Interesting times on both sides of the testament. Thanks a

1113
00:54:08,467 --> 00:54:10,227
Speaker 2: for your time this afternoon, David, really appreciate it.

1114
00:54:11,067 --> 00:54:13,707
Speaker 23: Well, I mean well into next week. So it's not

1115
00:54:13,827 --> 00:54:15,707
Speaker 23: a good honey ground for the All Blacks at the moment.

1116
00:54:16,027 --> 00:54:17,147
Speaker 23: You never know, it could be a bit of a

1117
00:54:17,187 --> 00:54:19,947
Speaker 23: surprise any way.

1118
00:54:20,147 --> 00:54:22,227
Speaker 2: Well that's that's the question being asked over here. It's

1119
00:54:22,227 --> 00:54:23,827
Speaker 2: a bit of a graveyard. As you say, we should

1120
00:54:23,867 --> 00:54:25,587
Speaker 2: play really good Eaton Park David, you know that.

1121
00:54:26,787 --> 00:54:28,987
Speaker 23: Yes that's a long times as we won there too,

1122
00:54:29,107 --> 00:54:30,907
Speaker 23: but yeah, I under said, right, good on you.

1123
00:54:30,987 --> 00:54:34,027
Speaker 2: Thanks David. David KEMPIZI there with his thoughts what a player,

1124
00:54:34,467 --> 00:54:36,787
Speaker 2: what a play? He was some interesting thoughts there too.

1125
00:54:36,947 --> 00:54:41,227
Speaker 2: Clearly not not a fan of Jochmut coaching the Wallabies,

1126
00:54:41,267 --> 00:54:44,387
Speaker 2: would prefer an Australian to do it. He made the

1127
00:54:44,427 --> 00:54:48,107
Speaker 2: point about the coaches at various other places having you know,

1128
00:54:48,347 --> 00:54:57,787
Speaker 2: played for that country. You know, I often think to myself,

1129
00:54:57,987 --> 00:55:00,827
Speaker 2: how would we feel if if a non New Zealander

1130
00:55:01,387 --> 00:55:04,027
Speaker 2: coach the All Blacks? It may well happen one day.

1131
00:55:04,347 --> 00:55:07,387
Speaker 2: I think we've got a decent, actual line of coaches

1132
00:55:07,427 --> 00:55:11,187
Speaker 2: who I'm sure will helm up our our All Blacks

1133
00:55:11,227 --> 00:55:13,707
Speaker 2: for quite some time. But over in Australia it's not

1134
00:55:13,747 --> 00:55:15,747
Speaker 2: the first time, is it, David, David Rennie had them,

1135
00:55:15,747 --> 00:55:17,867
Speaker 2: didn't he. Eddie Jones's Australian. Look what he did with

1136
00:55:17,907 --> 00:55:20,427
Speaker 2: that team. So I'm not sure that nationality is to

1137
00:55:20,507 --> 00:55:22,627
Speaker 2: be all and end all. Clearly, David Campese're not a

1138
00:55:22,707 --> 00:55:26,227
Speaker 2: fan necessarily the way Joe Schmitt's going. Your thoughts on

1139
00:55:26,307 --> 00:55:28,587
Speaker 2: this test continue to be welcome. Oh eight hundred and

1140
00:55:28,667 --> 00:55:32,587
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty nine, two ninety two. Someone's suggested Stephen Larkham. Yeah,

1141
00:55:32,587 --> 00:55:37,347
Speaker 2: he's another guy who perhaps I remember reading or hearing

1142
00:55:37,387 --> 00:55:40,027
Speaker 2: something about Stephen larkhum or chicking the airbreak about about

1143
00:55:40,107 --> 00:55:43,507
Speaker 2: whether he was anywhere close to consideration. They've gone with

1144
00:55:43,627 --> 00:55:46,267
Speaker 2: Joe Schmidt play some of his thoughts at the moment.

1145
00:55:46,347 --> 00:55:48,227
Speaker 2: Let's get back to the line though, they are open

1146
00:55:48,347 --> 00:55:50,427
Speaker 2: for you, Mark, thanks for holding.

1147
00:55:50,947 --> 00:55:52,027
Speaker 8: You, no buddy.

1148
00:55:52,587 --> 00:55:53,307
Speaker 5: A couple of things.

1149
00:55:53,387 --> 00:55:57,667
Speaker 24: Nobody's mentioned the rift for TMO yet I thought they'd

1150
00:55:57,707 --> 00:56:01,227
Speaker 24: done a good job apart from one little thing.

1151
00:56:01,907 --> 00:56:03,707
Speaker 19: And that brings you to my second point.

1152
00:56:03,827 --> 00:56:06,307
Speaker 23: Australian halfback does he ever shut his mouth?

1153
00:56:07,147 --> 00:56:08,787
Speaker 7: I thought he'd done more last night.

1154
00:56:09,907 --> 00:56:12,227
Speaker 5: I thought he'd done more last night to deserve a.

1155
00:56:12,267 --> 00:56:14,027
Speaker 17: Yellow card at what Per and Arad done on the

1156
00:56:14,107 --> 00:56:14,787
Speaker 17: previous test.

1157
00:56:15,507 --> 00:56:17,907
Speaker 2: Nick White, Yeah, he doesn't mind a word, Nick White.

1158
00:56:18,547 --> 00:56:21,307
Speaker 2: It's a bit of a It's a bit of a

1159
00:56:21,387 --> 00:56:24,187
Speaker 2: trademark of halfbacks, isn't it. Mark. You know they tend

1160
00:56:24,267 --> 00:56:26,307
Speaker 2: to like to have their say, they like to referee

1161
00:56:26,347 --> 00:56:28,827
Speaker 2: the game, well they do.

1162
00:56:29,147 --> 00:56:31,627
Speaker 24: But I think Nick White went a little bit overboard

1163
00:56:31,707 --> 00:56:35,547
Speaker 24: last night. But I think the ref could have given

1164
00:56:35,587 --> 00:56:37,227
Speaker 24: him a yellow card. But part from it, I thought

1165
00:56:37,267 --> 00:56:38,987
Speaker 24: the ref and TMO had done a fairly good job

1166
00:56:39,107 --> 00:56:39,507
Speaker 24: last night.

1167
00:56:39,827 --> 00:56:42,227
Speaker 2: I think he've illustrated the point by saying that nobody's

1168
00:56:42,267 --> 00:56:44,427
Speaker 2: talking about them, Mark. That's what we always say, don't we.

1169
00:56:44,427 --> 00:56:46,267
Speaker 2: When no one's talking about the ref or the TMO

1170
00:56:46,387 --> 00:56:47,787
Speaker 2: or the officials at all, then they must have had

1171
00:56:47,827 --> 00:56:48,267
Speaker 2: a good game.

1172
00:56:48,907 --> 00:56:49,667
Speaker 7: They're all happy.

1173
00:56:49,867 --> 00:56:50,067
Speaker 4: Yep.

1174
00:56:50,387 --> 00:56:53,907
Speaker 24: Yeah so and like like'm just said, I like them

1175
00:56:53,987 --> 00:56:58,347
Speaker 24: like you said them, yep, the well and it's not

1176
00:56:58,387 --> 00:56:59,547
Speaker 24: a good hunting ground, is it.

1177
00:57:00,947 --> 00:57:03,787
Speaker 2: No, this is true. Market's been a willsonce the All

1178
00:57:03,827 --> 00:57:07,587
Speaker 2: Blacks wanty s match in Wellington, that's for sure. We'll

1179
00:57:07,627 --> 00:57:10,307
Speaker 2: see how they go this coming weekend. Thanks for your call, mate. Yeah,

1180
00:57:10,307 --> 00:57:11,707
Speaker 2: I thought I thought the ref had a good game

1181
00:57:12,427 --> 00:57:14,787
Speaker 2: TMO two. I thought they might have had a look

1182
00:57:16,187 --> 00:57:21,427
Speaker 2: at the very last play, which was the turnover. Ardie

1183
00:57:21,427 --> 00:57:23,827
Speaker 2: Savier turned it over, TJ went in to help out

1184
00:57:24,267 --> 00:57:26,627
Speaker 2: TJ Pettinada and it just looked as though he might

1185
00:57:26,707 --> 00:57:30,427
Speaker 2: have been a bit high with with where he I

1186
00:57:30,467 --> 00:57:32,827
Speaker 2: can't remember who the Australian ball carrier was, but it

1187
00:57:32,947 --> 00:57:35,787
Speaker 2: just he just looked a little bit high. Perhaps I

1188
00:57:35,907 --> 00:57:37,667
Speaker 2: wonder whether they might have had a look at that well.

1189
00:57:37,667 --> 00:57:39,147
Speaker 2: The TMO did have a look at it, that's right

1190
00:57:39,187 --> 00:57:42,547
Speaker 2: because the Australian captain asked the referee, hey what about that,

1191
00:57:42,627 --> 00:57:44,187
Speaker 2: and the ref said, look, the tmo's had a look

1192
00:57:44,187 --> 00:57:47,827
Speaker 2: at his clearit. So yeah, I think they had a

1193
00:57:47,867 --> 00:57:51,867
Speaker 2: good game. Here's Joe Schmitt after the game. Is he

1194
00:57:52,747 --> 00:57:55,667
Speaker 2: by nature and optimist? Does he have a half full

1195
00:57:55,747 --> 00:57:58,947
Speaker 2: glass or is it a half empty glass? Was what

1196
00:57:59,427 --> 00:58:01,547
Speaker 2: Joe Schmitt was asked. There's not a lot of water

1197
00:58:01,627 --> 00:58:05,507
Speaker 2: in the glass. You know, you lose a Test match.

1198
00:58:06,387 --> 00:58:10,187
Speaker 21: So so for us, as Harry said that, there's things

1199
00:58:10,187 --> 00:58:12,547
Speaker 21: that we've got to learn from. We can't finish a

1200
00:58:12,587 --> 00:58:17,547
Speaker 21: close second. It's, you know, there's some things to be

1201
00:58:17,627 --> 00:58:21,867
Speaker 21: proud about. And I totally agree with Harry around you know,

1202
00:58:22,107 --> 00:58:25,627
Speaker 21: building our way back into the game, but giving a

1203
00:58:26,507 --> 00:58:30,147
Speaker 21: New Zealand side a start like that, it's it's it's

1204
00:58:30,187 --> 00:58:35,267
Speaker 21: too tough to overcome that. Albeit it almost did happen

1205
00:58:35,307 --> 00:58:39,827
Speaker 21: at the finish, so by no means is it back

1206
00:58:39,867 --> 00:58:42,827
Speaker 21: to the drawing board. I think there's there's some things

1207
00:58:42,907 --> 00:58:47,827
Speaker 21: there that that they'll be looking at and saying, well,

1208
00:58:48,507 --> 00:58:51,027
Speaker 21: you know, we were a bit vulnerable here or there,

1209
00:58:52,227 --> 00:58:56,747
Speaker 21: and I just thought that there was some there were

1210
00:58:56,787 --> 00:58:59,867
Speaker 21: some things that we put together that that they'll look

1211
00:58:59,907 --> 00:59:02,987
Speaker 21: at and and and be a little bit challenged by.

1212
00:59:03,107 --> 00:59:07,667
Speaker 21: But what we can't do is has turned ball over

1213
00:59:07,747 --> 00:59:11,347
Speaker 21: to them more kick loosely to them. Because I thought

1214
00:59:11,667 --> 00:59:16,187
Speaker 21: Will Jordan was outstanding tonight. Damien McKenzie, he maybe didn't

1215
00:59:16,187 --> 00:59:19,707
Speaker 21: finish a couple of opportunities, but Teezy makes them. So

1216
00:59:20,467 --> 00:59:22,267
Speaker 21: you know that there are a couple of guys who

1217
00:59:22,347 --> 00:59:27,667
Speaker 21: obviously stood out, and you know, and amongst a number

1218
00:59:27,707 --> 00:59:30,147
Speaker 21: of guys, you know the Lysa Caleb Clark as well

1219
00:59:30,307 --> 00:59:32,707
Speaker 21: was really dangerous with ball in hand.

1220
00:59:32,827 --> 00:59:37,987
Speaker 2: That is Joe Schmidt after the game, fairly philosophical. Interesting

1221
00:59:38,027 --> 00:59:42,787
Speaker 2: that he mentioned Damien McKenzie. Uh, this is exactly the

1222
00:59:42,827 --> 00:59:45,427
Speaker 2: same conversation that used to go on when Carlos Penser

1223
00:59:45,547 --> 00:59:48,667
Speaker 2: was the All Blacks Verse five. Brilliant you know, could

1224
00:59:48,707 --> 00:59:50,707
Speaker 2: do things that other players couldn't do, but there was

1225
00:59:50,747 --> 00:59:54,067
Speaker 2: always just that doubt in people's minds that perhaps he

1226
00:59:54,187 --> 00:59:56,747
Speaker 2: might be a little bit erratic on occasion, that the

1227
00:59:56,867 --> 01:00:01,267
Speaker 2: overplaying of the strength became the weakness, that his incredible

1228
01:00:01,307 --> 01:00:07,787
Speaker 2: ability to do the unpredictable things sometimes naturally just spilled

1229
01:00:07,827 --> 01:00:11,347
Speaker 2: over into making the odd error throwing a cutout pass

1230
01:00:11,427 --> 01:00:14,627
Speaker 2: and a World Cup semi final, for example. I think

1231
01:00:14,667 --> 01:00:18,347
Speaker 2: that's it. Scott Robertson said exactly the same thing, describing

1232
01:00:18,427 --> 01:00:23,347
Speaker 2: Damien mackenzie as mercurial. Joe Schmitt there said he didn't

1233
01:00:23,347 --> 01:00:26,147
Speaker 2: finish the opportunities, but gee, he creates them. What would

1234
01:00:26,187 --> 01:00:29,627
Speaker 2: we rather have? Would we rather have the opportunities being

1235
01:00:29,707 --> 01:00:35,147
Speaker 2: created or would we rather have a steadier hand who

1236
01:00:35,307 --> 01:00:38,267
Speaker 2: was not quite as likely to create opportunities like that?

1237
01:00:38,827 --> 01:00:44,827
Speaker 2: Particularly and broken play. It's a selection conundrum for Scott

1238
01:00:44,907 --> 01:00:48,267
Speaker 2: Robertson and his team, for any rugby coach who has

1239
01:00:48,307 --> 01:00:51,787
Speaker 2: a couple of options at first five, do you go

1240
01:00:51,947 --> 01:00:58,827
Speaker 2: with a guy who creates a lot but occasionally it

1241
01:00:58,947 --> 01:01:01,467
Speaker 2: doesn't come off, or do you go with a guy

1242
01:01:01,547 --> 01:01:04,547
Speaker 2: who is just a very steady hand on the wheel.

1243
01:01:05,347 --> 01:01:06,907
Speaker 2: And that is what they'll have to dosy this week.

1244
01:01:06,907 --> 01:01:09,867
Speaker 2: They've gone with Damien McKenzie every test this year. They've

1245
01:01:09,867 --> 01:01:13,747
Speaker 2: said that ten Jersey is yours. I just got from

1246
01:01:14,987 --> 01:01:17,107
Speaker 2: his responses to a couple of questions at the airport

1247
01:01:17,187 --> 01:01:19,707
Speaker 2: this morning the fact they might be considering a change

1248
01:01:20,147 --> 01:01:23,347
Speaker 2: for Wellington. If they do, they can go with Boden

1249
01:01:23,387 --> 01:01:27,427
Speaker 2: Barrett there. They could move Harry Plummer in there to start.

1250
01:01:27,907 --> 01:01:31,387
Speaker 2: Stephen Pettifetter injured at the moment, so there are three options,

1251
01:01:31,867 --> 01:01:35,427
Speaker 2: stick with Damien McKenzie, bringing Boden Barrett, who's played at

1252
01:01:35,467 --> 01:01:38,067
Speaker 2: ten a lot for the All Blacks, or bringing Harry

1253
01:01:38,107 --> 01:01:41,027
Speaker 2: Plummer for what would be a starting debut in the

1254
01:01:41,147 --> 01:01:43,867
Speaker 2: ten jersey, not forgetting, of course, that he was the

1255
01:01:43,947 --> 01:01:47,667
Speaker 2: man who guided the Blues to a Super Rugby title

1256
01:01:47,787 --> 01:01:51,107
Speaker 2: from that position this year. What would you be doing? Oh,

1257
01:01:51,147 --> 01:01:53,747
Speaker 2: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty nine two nine two

1258
01:01:53,827 --> 01:01:55,707
Speaker 2: is the text line one twenty seven back with more

1259
01:01:55,747 --> 01:01:56,507
Speaker 2: of your calls after this.

1260
01:01:57,347 --> 01:02:00,747
Speaker 1: It's more than just a game. Weekends for it. With

1261
01:02:00,947 --> 01:02:05,387
Speaker 1: Jason Hine and TJ. Gunnerholmes, New Zealand's most trusted home builder,

1262
01:02:05,507 --> 01:02:06,307
Speaker 1: News talks.

1263
01:02:06,187 --> 01:02:10,547
Speaker 2: Bang on one thirty. James asks did Harry Plumber play

1264
01:02:10,627 --> 01:02:13,947
Speaker 2: ten or twelve during Super Rugby? Both James, but at

1265
01:02:13,987 --> 01:02:16,067
Speaker 2: the back end of the season it was mainly first five.

1266
01:02:16,747 --> 01:02:20,027
Speaker 2: Stephen Petefetter played the first six games at first five

1267
01:02:20,107 --> 01:02:22,827
Speaker 2: and then picked up an injury. Harry Plumber came in

1268
01:02:23,187 --> 01:02:28,067
Speaker 2: and played the next seven or eight. Stephen Petefetter returned

1269
01:02:28,067 --> 01:02:30,787
Speaker 2: at first five for the final round robin match against

1270
01:02:30,827 --> 01:02:34,067
Speaker 2: the Chiefs and Plumber went back to second five for

1271
01:02:34,147 --> 01:02:37,147
Speaker 2: that game, and then for whatever reason they decided up.

1272
01:02:37,387 --> 01:02:39,107
Speaker 2: Plumber is our man in the first five jersey. He

1273
01:02:39,147 --> 01:02:41,427
Speaker 2: played there in the quarter final, the semi final and

1274
01:02:41,587 --> 01:02:44,867
Speaker 2: the final, with Stephen Petefetter going back to fullback. So

1275
01:02:45,787 --> 01:02:49,387
Speaker 2: most of us rugby, certainly from about the six week

1276
01:02:49,507 --> 01:02:52,427
Speaker 2: or round six onwards, was at first five and a

1277
01:02:52,587 --> 01:02:54,267
Speaker 2: very steady hand at the wheel.

1278
01:02:54,587 --> 01:02:54,947
Speaker 10: He was.

1279
01:02:56,707 --> 01:02:58,987
Speaker 2: Ponti, Lakham and Checker were both in contention for the

1280
01:02:59,027 --> 01:03:02,027
Speaker 2: Wallabies job, but they chose Joshmidt and said instead. Says Sean,

1281
01:03:02,507 --> 01:03:05,107
Speaker 2: thanks very much. Indeed, Sean oh eight hundred and eighty

1282
01:03:05,227 --> 01:03:08,347
Speaker 2: ten eighty hello, I'll be.

1283
01:03:08,467 --> 01:03:11,307
Speaker 4: Sticking with the mac I reckon. It would be a

1284
01:03:11,387 --> 01:03:14,907
Speaker 4: big if were going backwards. If we change next week

1285
01:03:16,307 --> 01:03:19,147
Speaker 4: him and Jordan, Will Jordan's had the second men play

1286
01:03:19,227 --> 01:03:21,907
Speaker 4: at the back. Both of them look dangerous together on

1287
01:03:22,027 --> 01:03:24,907
Speaker 4: the same field. You know you're marking one and two

1288
01:03:25,027 --> 01:03:27,827
Speaker 4: and the alarm bells ringing the defense line. Then you

1289
01:03:27,907 --> 01:03:32,107
Speaker 4: can hear it through the crowd's voices. Every time Willdordan

1290
01:03:32,187 --> 01:03:34,187
Speaker 4: touches the ball and he hammers down, he can hear

1291
01:03:34,227 --> 01:03:36,467
Speaker 4: the crowd do the old oo's and ours and that

1292
01:03:36,667 --> 01:03:39,627
Speaker 4: and and you can tell when when the flowers sharp

1293
01:03:39,667 --> 01:03:42,427
Speaker 4: as when the crowd reacts to the way the play.

1294
01:03:42,947 --> 01:03:45,627
Speaker 4: And Demac, I mean both of them. You not find it.

1295
01:03:46,107 --> 01:03:48,707
Speaker 4: He made balls up that pass here, could probably could

1296
01:03:48,747 --> 01:03:52,027
Speaker 4: have done a better pass. But he's more positive than negative.

1297
01:03:52,027 --> 01:03:54,187
Speaker 4: Were you know, not many players would have gone around

1298
01:03:54,227 --> 01:03:57,427
Speaker 4: the outside of Valentini down on the left side. Well,

1299
01:03:57,547 --> 01:03:59,307
Speaker 4: one of the almost women in the End of the

1300
01:03:59,347 --> 01:04:03,427
Speaker 4: World trio, and he got taken back course his the

1301
01:04:03,627 --> 01:04:05,867
Speaker 4: t there maybe there was awesome. The team are on

1302
01:04:05,987 --> 01:04:08,147
Speaker 4: forehead moment. They had two bit Wise on fire and

1303
01:04:08,867 --> 01:04:11,387
Speaker 4: Wallace a t T. I mean adults will be interesting

1304
01:04:11,467 --> 01:04:14,547
Speaker 4: coming into number seven, so dults and the t T.

1305
01:04:14,747 --> 01:04:17,707
Speaker 4: And but Courty is how strong is that little guy?

1306
01:04:17,707 --> 01:04:20,787
Speaker 4: I'm in the defense man he's he's got to be careful.

1307
01:04:20,827 --> 01:04:22,547
Speaker 4: He's really laying his body on the line. I thought

1308
01:04:22,587 --> 01:04:26,147
Speaker 4: he had done the shoulder when he hit Cory Betty.

1309
01:04:26,267 --> 01:04:29,227
Speaker 4: But I remember like in South Africa too, Couty has

1310
01:04:29,227 --> 01:04:34,827
Speaker 4: stopped Rax big big bed Marx and right close to

1311
01:04:34,907 --> 01:04:37,227
Speaker 4: the line. So he's on fire. I actually had to

1312
01:04:37,267 --> 01:04:41,907
Speaker 4: see no hope from Todd I mean for TJ because

1313
01:04:41,907 --> 01:04:44,267
Speaker 4: I think he's little snatched around the rucks, a dangerous

1314
01:04:44,947 --> 01:04:46,947
Speaker 4: he's so deceptive you don't think he's going to snipe,

1315
01:04:46,987 --> 01:04:49,067
Speaker 4: and all of a sudden, little bugger slopes around the rucks.

1316
01:04:49,107 --> 01:04:52,387
Speaker 4: But and I think, alb I mean, I'm a chiefs man.

1317
01:04:52,827 --> 01:04:54,907
Speaker 4: He's been the greatest defending for a while. But I

1318
01:04:55,027 --> 01:04:56,747
Speaker 4: still think we just need that punch it din And

1319
01:04:56,787 --> 01:04:59,747
Speaker 4: I wouldn't mind seeing proper give him a chance at

1320
01:04:59,787 --> 01:05:01,707
Speaker 4: the end of some boone and bearing off the pinch,

1321
01:05:02,107 --> 01:05:05,627
Speaker 4: sort of a five to five three split with Hope

1322
01:05:05,667 --> 01:05:09,627
Speaker 4: and Todd. The team's looking really sharply here. They're chicking

1323
01:05:09,667 --> 01:05:13,627
Speaker 4: half's a bit of worry, but he's good positives there, Yeah.

1324
01:05:13,427 --> 01:05:14,467
Speaker 23: I think you pick up on it.

1325
01:05:14,827 --> 01:05:16,387
Speaker 2: Yeah, you pick up Kne're picking up on a lot

1326
01:05:16,387 --> 01:05:17,867
Speaker 2: of the positive stuff, and you're right, there is a

1327
01:05:17,907 --> 01:05:19,387
Speaker 2: lot to like about it, and just some of the

1328
01:05:19,427 --> 01:05:21,987
Speaker 2: stuff you've picked up on there. I agree. Yeah, Damian

1329
01:05:22,067 --> 01:05:24,187
Speaker 2: McKenzie going around the outside and setting up that try.

1330
01:05:24,267 --> 01:05:25,787
Speaker 2: It was eventually I think it was a foward pass

1331
01:05:25,827 --> 01:05:29,387
Speaker 2: that he threw. But for for Ratima to score that try,

1332
01:05:29,427 --> 01:05:31,667
Speaker 2: that would have been in an absolute world. He probably

1333
01:05:31,707 --> 01:05:35,467
Speaker 2: one of the tries of the season, Latimer, I agree, Satiti,

1334
01:05:35,587 --> 01:05:39,667
Speaker 2: I totally agree. It's it's just finding a way to

1335
01:05:39,827 --> 01:05:42,867
Speaker 2: have that consistency. I mean, at the moment, your Blacks

1336
01:05:42,907 --> 01:05:44,907
Speaker 2: are a brilliant first half team. If we're really boil

1337
01:05:44,947 --> 01:05:47,667
Speaker 2: it down, they're doing great in first halfs. Unfortunately that's

1338
01:05:47,667 --> 01:05:49,587
Speaker 2: for whatever reason, they can't play eighty minutes at the moment.

1339
01:05:50,667 --> 01:05:55,467
Speaker 4: What about Caleb Clark too young, Caleb, He's fine, Mark

1340
01:05:55,547 --> 01:05:59,387
Speaker 4: Klea given the chance. You know, c Se said a

1341
01:05:59,427 --> 01:06:01,347
Speaker 4: bit of getting today than you did the last couple

1342
01:06:01,387 --> 01:06:03,867
Speaker 4: of games. He had a real good game today. Rick,

1343
01:06:04,107 --> 01:06:07,827
Speaker 4: I'm I'm glad that Jeff Goldie mentioned it on the commentary.

1344
01:06:07,867 --> 01:06:08,187
Speaker 16: Please.

1345
01:06:08,347 --> 01:06:10,147
Speaker 4: You know, everyone gives him grief that he's not breaking

1346
01:06:10,187 --> 01:06:13,227
Speaker 4: the line, but there's no better cover defender in defense

1347
01:06:13,507 --> 01:06:17,947
Speaker 4: sweeping back to make that last minute tackles. Then Kirwan

1348
01:06:18,067 --> 01:06:20,027
Speaker 4: he at speed of as though, he just covers thee

1349
01:06:20,067 --> 01:06:22,507
Speaker 4: much the ground, so he's pretty much there for the

1350
01:06:22,587 --> 01:06:25,307
Speaker 4: defense as well as the attack. You know, I mean,

1351
01:06:25,347 --> 01:06:27,427
Speaker 4: if he snipes the gap, but Will Jordan back to

1352
01:06:27,467 --> 01:06:30,427
Speaker 4: Will Jordan, and man, he's just lightning and once once

1353
01:06:30,507 --> 01:06:32,307
Speaker 4: he spots the gap and he just hits the hammer.

1354
01:06:32,907 --> 01:06:35,227
Speaker 4: He takes you back to Cohen, doesn't he. I mean him,

1355
01:06:35,267 --> 01:06:38,067
Speaker 4: Bensmith and Christian Cullen, three of them are ritually the

1356
01:06:38,107 --> 01:06:39,987
Speaker 4: sort of similar way with the hit the gap and

1357
01:06:40,507 --> 01:06:43,587
Speaker 4: the hammer down and they gone. And he's ageous, mate.

1358
01:06:43,627 --> 01:06:46,187
Speaker 4: So I actually like to see more of Jordan at fifteen,

1359
01:06:46,547 --> 01:06:47,947
Speaker 4: maybe boding off the bench.

1360
01:06:48,227 --> 01:06:50,467
Speaker 2: The sort of yeah, we're sorry, came, I've got to move.

1361
01:06:50,507 --> 01:06:51,387
Speaker 2: We may get that.

1362
01:06:51,467 --> 01:06:51,667
Speaker 25: I mean.

1363
01:06:51,947 --> 01:06:53,867
Speaker 2: The ironic part of this whole thing was that Will

1364
01:06:53,907 --> 01:06:55,747
Speaker 2: Jordan was supposed to start on the wing last night.

1365
01:06:56,827 --> 01:06:59,507
Speaker 2: It was only Bowden Barrett pulling out late with illness

1366
01:06:59,747 --> 01:07:02,467
Speaker 2: that saw him go to fall back and then inside

1367
01:07:02,787 --> 01:07:06,547
Speaker 2: ninety seconds he enters the line, you know, just like

1368
01:07:06,627 --> 01:07:10,307
Speaker 2: a good fullback should and scores the first try. But

1369
01:07:10,947 --> 01:07:14,747
Speaker 2: had Boden Barrett not picked up a tummy bug, then

1370
01:07:14,827 --> 01:07:17,707
Speaker 2: Jordan would have been on the wing. There a lot

1371
01:07:17,747 --> 01:07:19,787
Speaker 2: of people are saying, yeah, Ricoe Yoani scored the try,

1372
01:07:19,907 --> 01:07:21,587
Speaker 2: and he was scored it going down the left wing

1373
01:07:21,747 --> 01:07:24,307
Speaker 2: side and all that sort of thing. And this has

1374
01:07:24,387 --> 01:07:28,627
Speaker 2: been a constant theme among all Blacks fans that a

1375
01:07:28,707 --> 01:07:31,347
Speaker 2: lot of people would prefer to see Rico Yuwanni play

1376
01:07:31,387 --> 01:07:34,227
Speaker 2: on the wing. He was actually asked that during the

1377
01:07:34,267 --> 01:07:37,507
Speaker 2: week in a press conference, and his answer was fairly

1378
01:07:37,627 --> 01:07:40,187
Speaker 2: curt I have to say it was I thought we'd

1379
01:07:40,227 --> 01:07:42,707
Speaker 2: put this to bed. I thought we'd I thought we'd

1380
01:07:42,747 --> 01:07:46,227
Speaker 2: moved on from this. Look, Rique Yowanni may have moved

1381
01:07:46,267 --> 01:07:50,107
Speaker 2: on from it, absolutely, But if if Scott Robertson decides

1382
01:07:50,187 --> 01:07:54,507
Speaker 2: that riccaoe Yoanni's best use in his team is off

1383
01:07:54,547 --> 01:07:56,947
Speaker 2: the bench, then then so be it. Here is the

1384
01:07:56,947 --> 01:07:59,587
Speaker 2: man himself, Rico Yuani talking to Elliott Smith after the game.

1385
01:07:59,787 --> 01:08:02,267
Speaker 3: Ricco, well played, And I guess your reaction to what

1386
01:08:02,467 --> 01:08:04,907
Speaker 3: was a pretty tight test mention in the end, Yeah.

1387
01:08:04,867 --> 01:08:05,147
Speaker 5: It was.

1388
01:08:05,867 --> 01:08:08,467
Speaker 26: Obviously they called it test match for a reason, and

1389
01:08:09,347 --> 01:08:11,107
Speaker 26: you know, with the start we had, I thought, you know, this,

1390
01:08:11,267 --> 01:08:13,107
Speaker 26: this could be one of those games we opened it up.

1391
01:08:13,147 --> 01:08:16,987
Speaker 26: But Izzie, you know, to their credit, you know, they stuck.

1392
01:08:16,707 --> 01:08:19,347
Speaker 18: In the fight, stuck in the fight and almost got there.

1393
01:08:19,387 --> 01:08:23,507
Speaker 26: You know, a lot of it I put down to

1394
01:08:23,667 --> 01:08:27,707
Speaker 26: our discipline and ability to execute. But hey, look, those

1395
01:08:27,747 --> 01:08:30,907
Speaker 26: are those pressure moments that we can't fix, which is pleasing.

1396
01:08:31,107 --> 01:08:33,987
Speaker 3: What was the feeling at twenty one nil up around it?

1397
01:08:34,427 --> 01:08:36,027
Speaker 3: It was becoming pretty easy at that point in time.

1398
01:08:36,907 --> 01:08:38,787
Speaker 26: Oh, look, I wouldn't say it was coming easy, but

1399
01:08:39,147 --> 01:08:41,747
Speaker 26: you know, we're pretty happy with how we started and

1400
01:08:42,307 --> 01:08:46,267
Speaker 26: that first half in particular. But again, you know, even

1401
01:08:46,427 --> 01:08:49,667
Speaker 26: in that first half, we still had opportunities to sort

1402
01:08:49,707 --> 01:08:51,347
Speaker 26: of put the put the foot on the throat, but

1403
01:08:51,667 --> 01:08:55,147
Speaker 26: we didn't get it. So we'll make those changes and

1404
01:08:56,067 --> 01:08:58,187
Speaker 26: will he be being an autointest.

1405
01:08:58,107 --> 01:09:00,387
Speaker 3: Another tricky sort of into a game, But what can

1406
01:09:00,427 --> 01:09:02,107
Speaker 3: you put that down to? And I guess on the

1407
01:09:02,147 --> 01:09:04,067
Speaker 3: flip side, how pleasing to close one of those out?

1408
01:09:04,307 --> 01:09:07,947
Speaker 26: Oh yeah, definitely definitely pleasing, you know, And and the

1409
01:09:08,027 --> 01:09:10,827
Speaker 26: belief to actually get over the line now you know

1410
01:09:10,907 --> 01:09:13,587
Speaker 26: we've had to not go well, but finally again this

1411
01:09:13,747 --> 01:09:16,867
Speaker 26: has been the belief and confidence in our geople will

1412
01:09:16,947 --> 01:09:20,867
Speaker 26: just go up. But as for the sort of all

1413
01:09:20,907 --> 01:09:25,507
Speaker 26: discipline second half, I think it's just pressure does funny things,

1414
01:09:25,547 --> 01:09:28,147
Speaker 26: and you know, pressure mixed with the boys the termination

1415
01:09:28,307 --> 01:09:30,227
Speaker 26: and want you know, you're you're going to find that

1416
01:09:30,347 --> 01:09:32,667
Speaker 26: sort of sort of gray area and we just didn't

1417
01:09:32,707 --> 01:09:35,907
Speaker 26: get that balance right tonight. We're pleased to come over

1418
01:09:35,947 --> 01:09:37,387
Speaker 26: with the wind, but you know, we know that we

1419
01:09:37,507 --> 01:09:38,667
Speaker 26: can be a lot more clinical.

1420
01:09:38,827 --> 01:09:40,907
Speaker 3: And just lastly from me, how special to have Harry

1421
01:09:40,947 --> 01:09:42,427
Speaker 3: Plummer a player You've played a lot of rugby with

1422
01:09:42,507 --> 01:09:43,547
Speaker 3: makers all back stab.

1423
01:09:43,787 --> 01:09:43,947
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1424
01:09:44,147 --> 01:09:47,827
Speaker 26: Look, he's the most deservant All Black you know I've

1425
01:09:47,867 --> 01:09:50,147
Speaker 26: seen come through the police. You know, he got man

1426
01:09:50,187 --> 01:09:54,427
Speaker 26: that works so hard and sort of got didn't didn't

1427
01:09:54,467 --> 01:09:57,067
Speaker 26: have the journey that he would have hoped. But you know,

1428
01:09:57,147 --> 01:09:59,347
Speaker 26: we're we're all at the same destination now. And I

1429
01:09:59,467 --> 01:10:02,107
Speaker 26: know his dad and family or all his brothers will

1430
01:10:02,107 --> 01:10:05,027
Speaker 26: be so proud of him, just like we own.

1431
01:10:06,067 --> 01:10:08,347
Speaker 2: Yeah up, just so staked for him as rica are

1432
01:10:08,387 --> 01:10:10,947
Speaker 2: yo Oni twenty two to two Simon. Any thoughts on

1433
01:10:11,027 --> 01:10:12,467
Speaker 2: impact players for the All Blacks?

1434
01:10:13,707 --> 01:10:18,667
Speaker 25: Yeah, mate, yeah, definitely. I think it comes down to

1435
01:10:18,787 --> 01:10:20,787
Speaker 25: what is an impact player. You know, we know that

1436
01:10:21,627 --> 01:10:28,187
Speaker 25: the impact players at the moment are probably not doing

1437
01:10:28,267 --> 01:10:32,347
Speaker 25: the job. But you know, I think Raiser is getting closer.

1438
01:10:33,787 --> 01:10:37,107
Speaker 25: That was that first half standing and the question is,

1439
01:10:37,187 --> 01:10:40,467
Speaker 25: you know, with a guy like a guy like Harry Plummer,

1440
01:10:43,067 --> 01:10:46,187
Speaker 25: I think I think DMC just just carved it up

1441
01:10:46,227 --> 01:10:48,547
Speaker 25: in the first half. Okay, he made a couple of

1442
01:10:48,627 --> 01:10:52,107
Speaker 25: silly the little classes there when Tamaki Williams was in

1443
01:10:52,187 --> 01:10:55,227
Speaker 25: the clear and whatnot, but left it back to a

1444
01:10:55,307 --> 01:10:58,907
Speaker 25: thing at the at the start, and impact to me

1445
01:10:59,147 --> 01:11:02,747
Speaker 25: is someone who can keep that lead and maybe chip

1446
01:11:02,787 --> 01:11:05,947
Speaker 25: away at it by maybe twelve to fifteen points, right,

1447
01:11:06,067 --> 01:11:09,347
Speaker 25: so where Harry Plumber would be perfect. Bit DMC do

1448
01:11:09,427 --> 01:11:12,707
Speaker 25: his thing and then bring and then bring a guy

1449
01:11:12,827 --> 01:11:15,907
Speaker 25: like Harry Plumber on just to steady the ship and

1450
01:11:17,147 --> 01:11:19,627
Speaker 25: and maybe just chip away a little bit more another

1451
01:11:19,667 --> 01:11:24,587
Speaker 25: fifteen to twenty points. And you know, there was some

1452
01:11:24,787 --> 01:11:30,747
Speaker 25: certain last night that it was just borderline, but then

1453
01:11:30,747 --> 01:11:32,507
Speaker 25: there's a lot of stuff in ragatid that would just

1454
01:11:32,547 --> 01:11:36,667
Speaker 25: stick and you know we'd be three three three disallowed tries. Mate,

1455
01:11:36,707 --> 01:11:37,347
Speaker 25: that's that's.

1456
01:11:37,267 --> 01:11:38,347
Speaker 5: Twenty twenty one points.

1457
01:11:38,987 --> 01:11:42,707
Speaker 25: Yeah, yeah, you know what is an impact player? They mate,

1458
01:11:42,747 --> 01:11:45,587
Speaker 25: you come in and light the whole thing up on fire.

1459
01:11:46,107 --> 01:11:49,027
Speaker 2: It's such an interesting point, Simon. It's such an interesting

1460
01:11:49,107 --> 01:11:51,027
Speaker 2: point you make because I guess I guess the assumption

1461
01:11:51,187 --> 01:11:53,547
Speaker 2: if you've got a Harry Plumber as a guy to to,

1462
01:11:53,787 --> 01:11:55,787
Speaker 2: you know, to steady things up, is that you will

1463
01:11:55,867 --> 01:11:58,587
Speaker 2: be ahead. And I guess the common health view is

1464
01:11:58,627 --> 01:12:00,667
Speaker 2: that the impact player someone who comes on and changes

1465
01:12:00,707 --> 01:12:03,947
Speaker 2: the game if you're behind. So but it's it's a

1466
01:12:04,027 --> 01:12:05,587
Speaker 2: really interestact point that we don't.

1467
01:12:05,467 --> 01:12:08,587
Speaker 25: Need to change, and I think that's where they're getting to, mate,

1468
01:12:08,587 --> 01:12:11,307
Speaker 25: you know. I mean, he's an awesome player, Dmac, and

1469
01:12:11,347 --> 01:12:12,987
Speaker 25: everyone says that he should be off the bench, and

1470
01:12:13,507 --> 01:12:15,867
Speaker 25: maybe he should be. But I just thought that maybe

1471
01:12:15,907 --> 01:12:17,947
Speaker 25: that's just flip it and think of it like that

1472
01:12:18,187 --> 01:12:21,067
Speaker 25: and it might be something there. Maybe that's what Trade's

1473
01:12:21,067 --> 01:12:21,427
Speaker 25: trying to do.

1474
01:12:21,547 --> 01:12:24,067
Speaker 23: I don't know, but you know, I didn't need to

1475
01:12:24,107 --> 01:12:24,547
Speaker 23: look at.

1476
01:12:24,507 --> 01:12:25,787
Speaker 25: What is an impact player?

1477
01:12:26,547 --> 01:12:26,747
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1478
01:12:26,867 --> 01:12:28,267
Speaker 25: Anyway, No, it's a.

1479
01:12:28,347 --> 01:12:32,947
Speaker 2: Very good point. Not great point, Simon, really good point again. Yeah,

1480
01:12:32,987 --> 01:12:34,987
Speaker 2: you just I guess you're naturally assumed, don't you a

1481
01:12:35,067 --> 01:12:37,747
Speaker 2: game changer, someone who can give you but a fizz,

1482
01:12:37,827 --> 01:12:40,547
Speaker 2: someone who can you know, like a d mac or

1483
01:12:40,587 --> 01:12:42,667
Speaker 2: Boden Barred in his prime when he was he was

1484
01:12:42,747 --> 01:12:45,027
Speaker 2: the best impact player in the world. Somebody come on

1485
01:12:45,187 --> 01:12:49,227
Speaker 2: and yeah and show you some razzle dazzle. But you're

1486
01:12:49,267 --> 01:12:51,747
Speaker 2: so right. Why can't an impact player be a guy

1487
01:12:51,827 --> 01:12:54,627
Speaker 2: comes on and closes for you, like a you know,

1488
01:12:54,787 --> 01:12:58,107
Speaker 2: like a pitcher in baseball. They bring them on to close.

1489
01:12:59,547 --> 01:13:01,787
Speaker 2: Great point, Simon, call again, mate, good chatting to your

1490
01:13:01,867 --> 01:13:04,707
Speaker 2: nineteen to two. We're back after this with James mcconey.

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01:13:05,427 --> 01:13:09,147
Speaker 1: The tough question off the turf Weekend Sport with Jason

1492
01:13:09,227 --> 01:13:13,387
Speaker 1: Tyme and GJ. Gunnerholmes, New Zealand's most trusted home builder.

1493
01:13:14,947 --> 01:13:18,587
Speaker 2: One four Sunday afternoons mean a lot of things, but

1494
01:13:18,707 --> 01:13:21,027
Speaker 2: they mean James mcconey, Hello, mate.

1495
01:13:21,747 --> 01:13:22,507
Speaker 7: How are you, Pony?

1496
01:13:22,547 --> 01:13:23,867
Speaker 2: You're right, I'm good.

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01:13:23,987 --> 01:13:24,387
Speaker 16: I'm good.

1498
01:13:24,467 --> 01:13:28,907
Speaker 2: What were your What were your takeaways after last night's test?

1499
01:13:30,587 --> 01:13:33,547
Speaker 7: Domino's and a little bit of hell Pizzay as well?

1500
01:13:34,267 --> 01:13:34,507
Speaker 17: Good?

1501
01:13:34,827 --> 01:13:37,427
Speaker 7: Yeah, And I wasn't doing the ordering. It was a

1502
01:13:37,587 --> 01:13:39,227
Speaker 7: it was a friend. I don't know. We doubled, we

1503
01:13:39,347 --> 01:13:42,747
Speaker 7: doubled up, but I think let's start with the positives. Though,

1504
01:13:43,027 --> 01:13:47,507
Speaker 7: courtis that him? Wallace a Tt Caleb Clark. I mean

1505
01:13:48,307 --> 01:13:51,467
Speaker 7: I feel like there's one two of them a sort

1506
01:13:51,467 --> 01:13:54,747
Speaker 7: of coming of age, and I think Caleb's just reinvented himself,

1507
01:13:54,867 --> 01:13:55,947
Speaker 7: right yep.

1508
01:13:56,347 --> 01:14:00,347
Speaker 2: Yeah, Wallace to Tt. I love the way he plays,

1509
01:14:00,707 --> 01:14:03,227
Speaker 2: you know, solving a problem for the All Blacks at

1510
01:14:03,267 --> 01:14:05,387
Speaker 2: number six when you're not even really a number six.

1511
01:14:05,427 --> 01:14:07,027
Speaker 2: I think he played it every game for the chief

1512
01:14:07,067 --> 01:14:09,507
Speaker 2: certainly that from the start at number eight, didn't he

1513
01:14:09,547 --> 01:14:12,107
Speaker 2: but he I just really like the way he goes

1514
01:14:12,147 --> 01:14:12,667
Speaker 2: about things.

1515
01:14:13,427 --> 01:14:16,307
Speaker 7: Yeah, There's there's a stability to him, even though he

1516
01:14:16,507 --> 01:14:19,907
Speaker 7: is an excitement machine machine at times. Just the way

1517
01:14:20,147 --> 01:14:23,547
Speaker 7: he seems to own that position, which isn't the most

1518
01:14:23,627 --> 01:14:30,107
Speaker 7: familiar for him at blindside physically impressive, dominates contact, but

1519
01:14:30,467 --> 01:14:34,547
Speaker 7: just really seems like a solid option, you know, shades

1520
01:14:34,547 --> 01:14:38,067
Speaker 7: of Jerome Caino. There's there's lots to like about Wallace.

1521
01:14:38,147 --> 01:14:41,787
Speaker 7: The t t Courtez, though, I felt that everything he could,

1522
01:14:41,947 --> 01:14:43,827
Speaker 7: did everything right. He finished off what should have been

1523
01:14:44,227 --> 01:14:46,187
Speaker 7: one of the greatest tries of all time if it

1524
01:14:46,307 --> 01:14:49,067
Speaker 7: wasn't for that forward pass, which was a fair call,

1525
01:14:49,147 --> 01:14:53,427
Speaker 7: but I've seen worse passes just ignored. But again, the

1526
01:14:53,827 --> 01:14:59,107
Speaker 7: Courtez just dominated on attack and defense. The hit by

1527
01:14:59,147 --> 01:15:01,347
Speaker 7: Kroi and Betty. I think Caine mentioned that in stealing

1528
01:15:01,427 --> 01:15:06,027
Speaker 7: most of my notes today. But one thing that Courtez,

1529
01:15:06,347 --> 01:15:10,067
Speaker 7: who was set the tempo perfectly. I think he his

1530
01:15:10,267 --> 01:15:13,707
Speaker 7: clearance was was next level, and I think that that

1531
01:15:13,947 --> 01:15:15,947
Speaker 7: is why we saw those tries from the All Blacks.

1532
01:15:16,947 --> 01:15:20,627
Speaker 2: What about Damien McKenzie, Yeah, I've got.

1533
01:15:20,587 --> 01:15:22,427
Speaker 7: Him in my notes as well. Ponty, Yes, thank you

1534
01:15:22,547 --> 01:15:27,427
Speaker 7: for that. Okay, let's just let's just rip off the

1535
01:15:27,507 --> 01:15:29,667
Speaker 7: band aid. He won't be happy with that, will he

1536
01:15:29,827 --> 01:15:32,187
Speaker 7: There were there were three or four tries left out there,

1537
01:15:32,427 --> 01:15:35,707
Speaker 7: and and there were his name will be on a

1538
01:15:35,747 --> 01:15:37,587
Speaker 7: couple of them. So the video session is going to

1539
01:15:37,587 --> 01:15:42,107
Speaker 7: be a tough one for dmac. But I also agree

1540
01:15:42,147 --> 01:15:46,467
Speaker 7: with Joe Schmidt, which was, you know, he creates so much,

1541
01:15:46,947 --> 01:15:49,267
Speaker 7: would you really want to take that away when that's

1542
01:15:49,547 --> 01:15:52,667
Speaker 7: kind of where you're at, where he puts fear into

1543
01:15:52,867 --> 01:15:57,027
Speaker 7: the defense. Yeah, there were three passes in particular that

1544
01:15:57,627 --> 01:16:00,427
Speaker 7: he'll want to have back. But I look back at

1545
01:16:00,467 --> 01:16:02,347
Speaker 7: the World Cup Final last year and I thought our

1546
01:16:02,347 --> 01:16:04,147
Speaker 7: biggest problem with the All Blacks is that we didn't

1547
01:16:04,187 --> 01:16:07,267
Speaker 7: throw passes at the right time. So he was throwing

1548
01:16:07,307 --> 01:16:10,947
Speaker 7: the passes they just went that great pony and then

1549
01:16:11,107 --> 01:16:12,947
Speaker 7: to one of them he didn't need to spiral it.

1550
01:16:12,987 --> 01:16:16,187
Speaker 7: The other one he just didn't need to backhand flick it.

1551
01:16:16,427 --> 01:16:20,427
Speaker 7: So sometimes the easy option is to shovel it on.

1552
01:16:20,947 --> 01:16:23,747
Speaker 7: You know, you don't need to put a little bit

1553
01:16:23,787 --> 01:16:26,427
Speaker 7: of finesse on it. It just needs to be accurate.

1554
01:16:27,147 --> 01:16:28,787
Speaker 2: I think the other thing that's being missed a little

1555
01:16:28,827 --> 01:16:31,387
Speaker 2: bit is that in a game that the All Blacks

1556
01:16:31,427 --> 01:16:34,547
Speaker 2: won by three points, he was perfect from the boot

1557
01:16:34,947 --> 01:16:36,827
Speaker 2: five from five and there were some of those tries

1558
01:16:36,867 --> 01:16:38,427
Speaker 2: were scored wide out.

1559
01:16:39,907 --> 01:16:43,027
Speaker 7: Honestly, I thought that the tries were brilliant, but then

1560
01:16:43,267 --> 01:16:46,427
Speaker 7: the ones they left out there absolutely pulling your hair out,

1561
01:16:46,507 --> 01:16:50,787
Speaker 7: coach killers as they call them. Look, the fact is

1562
01:16:50,987 --> 01:16:54,307
Speaker 7: that the All Blacks have got a case of the

1563
01:16:54,387 --> 01:16:56,627
Speaker 7: yips in the second half and in the final quarter.

1564
01:16:56,987 --> 01:17:01,187
Speaker 7: It's a It is a choke. Really, there's no other

1565
01:17:01,267 --> 01:17:04,227
Speaker 7: way to put it. And so they've got a remedy

1566
01:17:04,267 --> 01:17:06,267
Speaker 7: it somehow. I don't know. Look, I think we're Bowden

1567
01:17:06,427 --> 01:17:08,187
Speaker 7: coming back into that team, even though I thought Will

1568
01:17:08,267 --> 01:17:11,467
Speaker 7: Jordan was great at fullback. He'll provide that stability, he'll

1569
01:17:11,507 --> 01:17:15,267
Speaker 7: provide an extra kicking game. I mean, I've got no

1570
01:17:15,387 --> 01:17:17,787
Speaker 7: problem with Boden moving into ten. I think he's a

1571
01:17:17,867 --> 01:17:20,787
Speaker 7: great team that's been underrated for too long. You know,

1572
01:17:20,907 --> 01:17:24,387
Speaker 7: will play over the year twice. But I still feel

1573
01:17:24,427 --> 01:17:26,347
Speaker 7: like d Max should be on the field. That's my

1574
01:17:27,267 --> 01:17:28,187
Speaker 7: feeling basically.

1575
01:17:28,747 --> 01:17:31,187
Speaker 2: All Right, A couple of other matters around. Did you

1576
01:17:31,267 --> 01:17:33,187
Speaker 2: watch the Rooster's manly game last night?

1577
01:17:34,547 --> 01:17:34,747
Speaker 5: Yes?

1578
01:17:34,827 --> 01:17:38,627
Speaker 7: I did, and it's amazing how a team that looked

1579
01:17:38,667 --> 01:17:42,627
Speaker 7: totally outclass last week by Penrith comes back and outclasses Manly,

1580
01:17:43,107 --> 01:17:46,227
Speaker 7: who have got plenty of stars, although when I look around,

1581
01:17:46,347 --> 01:17:48,187
Speaker 7: I mean they've got three Trouble of Itch brothers. I

1582
01:17:48,227 --> 01:17:50,987
Speaker 7: mean that's so one family is providing a lot of

1583
01:17:51,027 --> 01:17:54,027
Speaker 7: their team. They've got Matt Lodge, who I hate with

1584
01:17:54,107 --> 01:17:57,907
Speaker 7: a passion, who who left the Warriors of the Lurch

1585
01:17:58,347 --> 01:18:00,587
Speaker 7: is the home invasion guy. If people are wondering why

1586
01:18:00,627 --> 01:18:05,547
Speaker 7: do I hate Matt Lodge is he broke into a

1587
01:18:05,667 --> 01:18:09,107
Speaker 7: New York home and terrorize the family and it was

1588
01:18:09,787 --> 01:18:13,187
Speaker 7: pretty much a violent chrome and he's ended up being

1589
01:18:13,227 --> 01:18:15,427
Speaker 7: able to live his life and play Rugby League and

1590
01:18:15,667 --> 01:18:18,347
Speaker 7: then rip off the Warriors. So I wasn't unhappy to

1591
01:18:18,387 --> 01:18:21,747
Speaker 7: see Manly get eliminated because of that. But I did

1592
01:18:21,907 --> 01:18:26,867
Speaker 7: notice that with the with the roosters there, you know

1593
01:18:27,107 --> 01:18:31,507
Speaker 7: jose Joey Marnhu and Joseph Suili, they are both going

1594
01:18:31,507 --> 01:18:32,987
Speaker 7: to rugby next year, so it's going to be a

1595
01:18:33,067 --> 01:18:35,867
Speaker 7: very different team and I think Joey Marny won't take

1596
01:18:35,947 --> 01:18:37,467
Speaker 7: long to get up to speed and be an option

1597
01:18:37,587 --> 01:18:38,787
Speaker 7: for the All Blacks and midfield.

1598
01:18:40,347 --> 01:18:42,267
Speaker 2: We will watch the space. Hey, I've just I wanted

1599
01:18:42,307 --> 01:18:44,107
Speaker 2: to ask you as well. I think it's in your

1600
01:18:44,187 --> 01:18:48,547
Speaker 2: notes about show, he O'taney doing something that nobody in

1601
01:18:48,667 --> 01:18:53,307
Speaker 2: Major League Baseball has done. I don't think ever. Fifty

1602
01:18:53,867 --> 01:18:58,307
Speaker 2: home runs and fifty stolen bases in a single season.

1603
01:18:58,427 --> 01:19:00,947
Speaker 2: It seems incredible that that doesn't happen very often, but

1604
01:19:01,547 --> 01:19:02,707
Speaker 2: it's never happened before.

1605
01:19:03,547 --> 01:19:06,307
Speaker 7: Yeah, and he's an unlikely based stealer at six foot four,

1606
01:19:06,867 --> 01:19:12,827
Speaker 7: like he's your height pony and running around trying to

1607
01:19:12,907 --> 01:19:16,427
Speaker 7: steal bases like he's a little sprinter. So Shoe really

1608
01:19:16,467 --> 01:19:20,067
Speaker 7: added that to his arsenal when he couldn't pitch this

1609
01:19:20,227 --> 01:19:24,787
Speaker 7: year because he had some elbow ligament damage, so he thought,

1610
01:19:24,827 --> 01:19:27,827
Speaker 7: oh well, I'll steal bases instead. Sets this incredible record.

1611
01:19:28,267 --> 01:19:31,067
Speaker 7: He's up to fifty two home runs. Only Aaron Jones

1612
01:19:31,147 --> 01:19:33,707
Speaker 7: of the New York Yankees is ahead of ahead of

1613
01:19:33,787 --> 01:19:37,587
Speaker 7: him for home runs. He's just incredible. Some people saying,

1614
01:19:37,747 --> 01:19:41,747
Speaker 7: is he the greatest athlete on the planet at the moment, Well,

1615
01:19:41,907 --> 01:19:46,107
Speaker 7: it's it's tricky, but whatever he's doing, he's getting eyeballs

1616
01:19:46,147 --> 01:19:49,507
Speaker 7: on the sport. He's probably worth his seven hundred million

1617
01:19:49,947 --> 01:19:51,107
Speaker 7: Jewish dollar contracts.

1618
01:19:52,027 --> 01:19:55,267
Speaker 2: That my god, what is I mean?

1619
01:19:55,347 --> 01:19:58,547
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's another level. So look, if we do have

1620
01:19:58,667 --> 01:20:00,507
Speaker 7: time to talk about cricket. All I'll say is, if

1621
01:20:00,547 --> 01:20:04,667
Speaker 7: you've got a young cricketer who's got good hand eye coordination. Unfortunately,

1622
01:20:04,787 --> 01:20:06,507
Speaker 7: this is just for boys at the moment, because that

1623
01:20:06,507 --> 01:20:09,747
Speaker 7: that's where they get paid the big bucks in baseball.

1624
01:20:10,107 --> 01:20:13,947
Speaker 7: Send them to baseball. Do not do not worry about

1625
01:20:14,747 --> 01:20:17,667
Speaker 7: any ipl You can go to baseball. If they're that good,

1626
01:20:18,787 --> 01:20:21,227
Speaker 7: get them over there and see what they can do.

1627
01:20:21,707 --> 01:20:23,587
Speaker 2: Yeah, seven hundred, mel Hey, just on the cricket. I've

1628
01:20:23,587 --> 01:20:25,587
Speaker 2: got much McClanahan after two to talk about the black

1629
01:20:25,587 --> 01:20:27,507
Speaker 2: Caps because so let's not forget they go into day

1630
01:20:27,587 --> 01:20:31,067
Speaker 2: four of their Test in a couple of hours time.

1631
01:20:32,507 --> 01:20:34,427
Speaker 2: You wouldn't want to be chasing too many more, would

1632
01:20:34,467 --> 01:20:36,467
Speaker 2: you that? At the moment's form Lanka two hundred ahead,

1633
01:20:36,467 --> 01:20:38,307
Speaker 2: You wouldn't want to be chasing too much more, would you.

1634
01:20:39,147 --> 01:20:40,987
Speaker 7: No, And this is a big worry. I think that

1635
01:20:41,867 --> 01:20:45,307
Speaker 7: Will O'Rourke's done, you know, everything he can really with

1636
01:20:46,187 --> 01:20:48,267
Speaker 7: as a fast bowler. It's good to have that fair

1637
01:20:48,347 --> 01:20:51,307
Speaker 7: factor back in. And look, I looked at the team.

1638
01:20:51,347 --> 01:20:54,467
Speaker 7: It's actually quite an aging team this one. I feel

1639
01:20:54,507 --> 01:20:56,187
Speaker 7: like the black Caps Test team is going to fall

1640
01:20:56,227 --> 01:21:00,067
Speaker 7: off a cliff at some point because everyone apart from Ravender,

1641
01:21:00,267 --> 01:21:03,387
Speaker 7: O'Rourke and Phillips are in their thirties, and some of

1642
01:21:03,467 --> 01:21:07,187
Speaker 7: them well into their thirties, so came Leians and thirty four, Saldi,

1643
01:21:07,267 --> 01:21:11,387
Speaker 7: thirty five, you know, even Daryl Mitchell is thirty three.

1644
01:21:11,587 --> 01:21:14,907
Speaker 7: So there's a few selections. It's going to be an

1645
01:21:14,947 --> 01:21:17,507
Speaker 7: interesting time. But I did see Paddles the great Sir

1646
01:21:17,627 --> 01:21:20,987
Speaker 7: Richard Hadley say hands off, well, O, don't you dare

1647
01:21:21,067 --> 01:21:22,787
Speaker 7: take him to the IPL. We want him to be

1648
01:21:23,307 --> 01:21:26,187
Speaker 7: a Test bowler only. And I'm just thinking, I love

1649
01:21:26,227 --> 01:21:29,587
Speaker 7: what you're saying. Paddles are serve pedals, but good luck

1650
01:21:29,667 --> 01:21:31,587
Speaker 7: with that because he will get a lot of money

1651
01:21:31,627 --> 01:21:32,787
Speaker 7: turning at him very soon.

1652
01:21:32,987 --> 01:21:34,667
Speaker 2: Absolutely right. I just hope it doesn't go the Cole

1653
01:21:34,747 --> 01:21:39,427
Speaker 2: Jamison way. Remember that he was so good IPL injured

1654
01:21:39,947 --> 01:21:43,107
Speaker 2: hardly seen since. Yeah, I get what pedals are saying,

1655
01:21:43,147 --> 01:21:45,947
Speaker 2: but yeah, the money's pretty eye watering. Hey, James, I

1656
01:21:46,027 --> 01:21:47,987
Speaker 2: think that's all we have time for, unfortunately, mate, but

1657
01:21:48,027 --> 01:21:50,307
Speaker 2: always great to chat to. Yeah, and and I like

1658
01:21:50,387 --> 01:21:53,027
Speaker 2: the fact that you compared me, if only in height

1659
01:21:53,427 --> 01:21:56,347
Speaker 2: to show. Hey, Otane, I like that you're the show.

1660
01:21:56,427 --> 01:21:59,787
Speaker 7: Hey, the big show. Hey, of New Zealand Radio mates,

1661
01:22:00,707 --> 01:22:01,907
Speaker 7: so you enjoy that.

1662
01:22:02,787 --> 01:22:05,307
Speaker 2: Good on you mate. Thanks indeed, James mcconey part of

1663
01:22:05,347 --> 01:22:07,147
Speaker 2: our Sunday seven to two news stalks.

1664
01:22:06,867 --> 01:22:11,467
Speaker 1: Emby analyzing every view from every angle in the sporting world.

1665
01:22:11,667 --> 01:22:14,427
Speaker 1: Weekend Sport with Jason Vine call.

1666
01:22:15,907 --> 01:22:18,987
Speaker 2: News Talks EDB four to two. After two is mentioned

1667
01:22:18,987 --> 01:22:21,307
Speaker 2: to jas Boncony and Mitch mclenahan's on the show. He's

1668
01:22:21,347 --> 01:22:23,187
Speaker 2: been in the commentary box for the black Caps against

1669
01:22:23,187 --> 01:22:25,947
Speaker 2: Sri Lanka. Reached day yesterday for the Sri Lankan presidential

1670
01:22:26,027 --> 01:22:28,427
Speaker 2: elections of all things, but back underway in a couple

1671
01:22:28,427 --> 01:22:30,947
Speaker 2: of hours. So prospects for Day four black Caps Sri

1672
01:22:31,027 --> 01:22:34,467
Speaker 2: Lanka with Mitch mcclenahan and Brandy Greg Alexander going to

1673
01:22:34,547 --> 01:22:37,427
Speaker 2: join us running an eye over the two NRL elimination

1674
01:22:37,627 --> 01:22:41,587
Speaker 2: finals and ahead to the preliminary finals. Is anybody stopping

1675
01:22:41,667 --> 01:22:43,107
Speaker 2: Penrith or the storm?

1676
01:22:44,187 --> 01:22:48,347
Speaker 1: The only place for the big names, the big issues,

1677
01:22:49,147 --> 01:22:54,027
Speaker 1: the big controversies and the big conversations. It's all on

1678
01:22:54,187 --> 01:22:57,947
Speaker 1: Weekend Sport with Jason Vin on your home of Sport

1679
01:22:58,427 --> 01:22:59,347
Speaker 1: News Talks EDB.

1680
01:23:01,107 --> 01:23:03,787
Speaker 2: Two o seven is an hour left of Weekend Sport,

1681
01:23:03,867 --> 01:23:06,827
Speaker 2: Then we'll hand over to the Weekend Collective hosted by

1682
01:23:06,867 --> 01:23:09,507
Speaker 2: Tim Beveridge to take you through the next segment of

1683
01:23:09,667 --> 01:23:12,347
Speaker 2: your Sunday. Quite a bit to do between now and

1684
01:23:12,507 --> 01:23:15,867
Speaker 2: three o'clock though. A couple of yachting New Zealand sanctioned

1685
01:23:15,987 --> 01:23:20,267
Speaker 2: crews are set to contest the Offshore Double Handed World

1686
01:23:20,387 --> 01:23:23,667
Speaker 2: Championship in France next week. Going to check in with

1687
01:23:23,827 --> 01:23:28,147
Speaker 2: one of those teams our NRL preliminary finals locked in

1688
01:23:28,627 --> 01:23:31,747
Speaker 2: the two elimination finals over the last two nights. Brandy Alexander,

1689
01:23:31,787 --> 01:23:35,707
Speaker 2: Greg Alexander, a former Warrior's favorite and of course a

1690
01:23:36,027 --> 01:23:40,507
Speaker 2: former Panthers legend and these days highly respected rugby league analysts,

1691
01:23:40,547 --> 01:23:42,227
Speaker 2: going to join us this out to run an eye

1692
01:23:42,267 --> 01:23:46,107
Speaker 2: over those cricket shortly and amongst all the rugby and

1693
01:23:46,387 --> 01:23:48,067
Speaker 2: the fact that there was a race day yesterday and

1694
01:23:48,147 --> 01:23:50,147
Speaker 2: the cricket almost forgot there was a Test going on.

1695
01:23:50,307 --> 01:23:52,867
Speaker 2: But there is day four under weigh in about two

1696
01:23:52,907 --> 01:23:55,947
Speaker 2: and a half hours in Gaul. Mitchell mcclanahan's part of

1697
01:23:55,987 --> 01:23:57,627
Speaker 2: the commentary team over there. He's standing by to have

1698
01:23:57,667 --> 01:23:59,827
Speaker 2: a chat to us about prospects for the rest of

1699
01:23:59,867 --> 01:24:02,267
Speaker 2: this Test match and what he's seen from the team

1700
01:24:02,347 --> 01:24:06,267
Speaker 2: so far, particularly will ow' rourke who's just been exceptional

1701
01:24:06,467 --> 01:24:10,227
Speaker 2: for me to get eight wickets in the subcontinent, eight

1702
01:24:10,307 --> 01:24:13,387
Speaker 2: of the what fourteen that New Zealand have got normally

1703
01:24:13,467 --> 01:24:17,307
Speaker 2: of course very spin friendly over there, but will O'Rourke

1704
01:24:17,907 --> 01:24:20,547
Speaker 2: is doing brilliantly. So some words on that from Mitchell

1705
01:24:20,627 --> 01:24:24,067
Speaker 2: mcclenahan as well. Your cause and correspondence, of course, continued

1706
01:24:24,107 --> 01:24:26,627
Speaker 2: to be welcomed our eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

1707
01:24:27,067 --> 01:24:28,987
Speaker 2: nine two nine two. If you would like to send

1708
01:24:29,027 --> 01:24:32,027
Speaker 2: a text, but with a time at around eight past two,

1709
01:24:32,187 --> 01:24:34,667
Speaker 2: as we always do at around about this time on

1710
01:24:34,787 --> 01:24:37,387
Speaker 2: weekend Sport, it's time to bring you up to date

1711
01:24:37,427 --> 01:24:39,067
Speaker 2: with some of the stuff that you may have missed

1712
01:24:39,667 --> 01:24:41,827
Speaker 2: over the last little while. We know you're busy, so

1713
01:24:41,947 --> 01:24:44,467
Speaker 2: we've put together a feature called in case you missed it.

1714
01:24:45,187 --> 01:24:48,827
Speaker 2: Big upset in the Rugby Championship in Argentina this morning

1715
01:24:49,347 --> 01:24:51,467
Speaker 2: over the ball lost for us.

1716
01:24:52,267 --> 01:24:57,907
Speaker 27: They've got the job done in dramatic fashion, an unbelievable crowd,

1717
01:24:59,187 --> 01:25:03,387
Speaker 27: an unbelievable Test match, trauma to the dad. The Rugby

1718
01:25:03,547 --> 01:25:07,387
Speaker 27: Championship will be decided in mel Spray next weekend.

1719
01:25:07,587 --> 01:25:10,667
Speaker 2: Yeah, brilliant from the Pumas twenty nine twenty eight. They

1720
01:25:10,707 --> 01:25:12,747
Speaker 2: beat the spring Box this morning closer to home and

1721
01:25:12,787 --> 01:25:16,707
Speaker 2: the Bunnings end PC yesterday Northland, chalking up just their

1722
01:25:16,827 --> 01:25:19,867
Speaker 2: second win of the season and a first over North

1723
01:25:19,947 --> 01:25:21,667
Speaker 2: Harbor in ten years.

1724
01:25:21,907 --> 01:25:23,507
Speaker 17: This is the white pass out Hea to North and

1725
01:25:23,627 --> 01:25:24,907
Speaker 17: taken out of here by Cory Evans.

1726
01:25:25,147 --> 01:25:27,627
Speaker 24: Tops a pass off to Jordan Trainer down the left wing.

1727
01:25:27,547 --> 01:25:30,787
Speaker 2: Games but fullback on the Ensie fight to pass base.

1728
01:25:31,187 --> 01:25:31,987
Speaker 18: We'll score the.

1729
01:25:32,067 --> 01:25:35,387
Speaker 2: Try every yeah, the tiny far beating North Harbour forty

1730
01:25:35,467 --> 01:25:38,387
Speaker 2: seven twenty four. Meantime a roller coaster in the Capitol.

1731
01:25:38,947 --> 01:25:43,107
Speaker 2: They have plenty forcing golden point extra time with a

1732
01:25:43,187 --> 01:25:46,107
Speaker 2: last minute penalty to make it twenty five all before

1733
01:25:46,147 --> 01:25:47,747
Speaker 2: Wellington scored the match winning try.

1734
01:25:47,907 --> 01:25:50,547
Speaker 20: Barlie Higginson's on the left hand side shift takes it through.

1735
01:25:50,987 --> 01:25:55,507
Speaker 20: Wellington are chasing. Can they get near the halfback? Preston

1736
01:25:55,987 --> 01:26:00,307
Speaker 20: possibly gets there, Trys Torts while I was brilliantly chased by.

1737
01:26:00,347 --> 01:26:03,747
Speaker 2: Kyle Preston thirty twenty five to the Lions, who goes

1738
01:26:03,827 --> 01:26:05,667
Speaker 2: seven points clear at the top of the table. For

1739
01:26:05,747 --> 01:26:09,347
Speaker 2: the meantime, the Breakers have started the new Australian National

1740
01:26:09,467 --> 01:26:12,467
Speaker 2: Basketball League season with a victory and the Bullets.

1741
01:26:12,187 --> 01:26:12,907
Speaker 16: Need a miracle.

1742
01:26:13,067 --> 01:26:14,547
Speaker 2: Smith Miner will step into it.

1743
01:26:16,267 --> 01:26:18,547
Speaker 5: And the new deal with Rakers.

1744
01:26:20,507 --> 01:26:24,547
Speaker 22: Snatch victory from the jaws of the Vegle. They have

1745
01:26:25,227 --> 01:26:29,547
Speaker 22: escaped from the homes fares with a w having Let

1746
01:26:29,627 --> 01:26:35,507
Speaker 22: by twenty six points. They win ninety one to eighty seven.

1747
01:26:35,667 --> 01:26:37,067
Speaker 2: Yeah, they made hard work of it at the end,

1748
01:26:37,107 --> 01:26:40,547
Speaker 2: but a wins A win to Ossie rules the AFL's

1749
01:26:40,747 --> 01:26:45,507
Speaker 2: second preliminary final, the Brisbane Lions and Geelong Cats playing

1750
01:26:45,547 --> 01:26:49,027
Speaker 2: out a thriller at the MCG, which was only decided

1751
01:26:49,067 --> 01:26:50,307
Speaker 2: in the last couple of minutes.

1752
01:26:50,427 --> 01:26:55,587
Speaker 22: Superportant Clarence brel Astro the young superstar Eric gets it

1753
01:26:55,747 --> 01:26:56,467
Speaker 22: back to Rhina.

1754
01:26:56,867 --> 01:26:57,387
Speaker 6: Don't have a.

1755
01:26:57,427 --> 01:27:04,747
Speaker 2: Super goal, the large times are rupped.

1756
01:27:06,427 --> 01:27:08,187
Speaker 14: Fell out that cut through the.

1757
01:27:10,507 --> 01:27:12,227
Speaker 2: Eleven put martin.

1758
01:27:12,547 --> 01:27:14,067
Speaker 5: What fay five the time.

1759
01:27:15,747 --> 01:27:19,187
Speaker 2: A believable game. Terrific last night, with the Lions now

1760
01:27:19,827 --> 01:27:22,027
Speaker 2: set to meet the Sydney Swans in the Grand Final

1761
01:27:22,107 --> 01:27:24,667
Speaker 2: next weekend. Back at the G and the NRL, the

1762
01:27:24,787 --> 01:27:28,507
Speaker 2: Roosters through to a preliminary final against the table topping

1763
01:27:28,547 --> 01:27:32,347
Speaker 2: Melbourne Storm, beating Manly forty points to sixteen adds it

1764
01:27:32,427 --> 01:27:32,707
Speaker 2: back to.

1765
01:27:32,747 --> 01:27:36,387
Speaker 6: Two Pernua little ball off the hit for Watson to Disco,

1766
01:27:36,787 --> 01:27:38,347
Speaker 6: showing it to Disco.

1767
01:27:39,427 --> 01:27:43,747
Speaker 3: He's in once again on a milestone game four him

1768
01:27:43,787 --> 01:27:47,627
Speaker 3: as he brings up two hundred and fifty in the NRL.

1769
01:27:48,187 --> 01:27:51,027
Speaker 2: That was vift each Teddy Here more on the NRL

1770
01:27:51,107 --> 01:27:53,667
Speaker 2: this hour with Greg Alexander and to the Premier League.

1771
01:27:53,667 --> 01:27:56,827
Speaker 2: Aston Villa have won a third straight game, beating Midlands

1772
01:27:57,067 --> 01:27:59,787
Speaker 2: neighbour's Wolves three to one with a couple of Lake goals.

1773
01:28:00,027 --> 01:28:02,107
Speaker 2: Tleman so lovely all.

1774
01:28:05,067 --> 01:28:06,027
Speaker 16: That past.

1775
01:28:07,307 --> 01:28:12,547
Speaker 20: As a chosas Dy the rest over again.

1776
01:28:13,947 --> 01:28:15,387
Speaker 16: I've got a lot of survey.

1777
01:28:15,147 --> 01:28:18,587
Speaker 2: Turvis Wall allows Aston Villa up to third or they

1778
01:28:18,627 --> 01:28:21,187
Speaker 2: stay third, but Liverpool back to the top for the

1779
01:28:21,267 --> 01:28:24,307
Speaker 2: meantime a three mil win over Bournemouth, all three goals

1780
01:28:24,387 --> 01:28:28,027
Speaker 2: in the first half. Personally as now as Livertool goes

1781
01:28:28,067 --> 01:28:35,067
Speaker 2: for goal again, he's rather special to do with it

1782
01:28:35,387 --> 01:28:36,907
Speaker 2: is told.

1783
01:28:36,627 --> 01:28:41,587
Speaker 27: Have actually played o' chain to the livertool lead see hill.

1784
01:28:42,267 --> 01:28:46,747
Speaker 16: And that was a quite focus finished weekends for.

1785
01:28:46,867 --> 01:28:50,507
Speaker 2: It on news talk to their b twelve minutes past two.

1786
01:28:50,627 --> 01:28:52,907
Speaker 2: The black Caps, I think you'd say on the back

1787
01:28:52,947 --> 01:28:55,787
Speaker 2: foot after three days of the opening cricket Test against

1788
01:28:56,067 --> 01:28:59,307
Speaker 2: Sri Lanka in Gaul Sri Lanka two hundred and thirty

1789
01:28:59,347 --> 01:29:01,747
Speaker 2: seven for four in their second innings. That's a lead

1790
01:29:01,747 --> 01:29:03,987
Speaker 2: of two hundred and two runs with two days to play.

1791
01:29:04,267 --> 01:29:06,547
Speaker 2: Will O'Rourke, has mentioned before, has been the best of

1792
01:29:06,587 --> 01:29:08,667
Speaker 2: the New Zealand bowlers by quite some distance.

1793
01:29:10,707 --> 01:29:16,947
Speaker 26: Gone brilliant, Oh good, it was a delayed decision to

1794
01:29:17,027 --> 01:29:18,667
Speaker 26: get that leg slip in place.

1795
01:29:21,027 --> 01:29:21,627
Speaker 1: Edge gone.

1796
01:29:21,827 --> 01:29:23,867
Speaker 18: That's a big one night.

1797
01:29:24,427 --> 01:29:27,587
Speaker 2: New Zealand got bang, bang and bang yeah. Will I

1798
01:29:27,707 --> 01:29:30,627
Speaker 2: Rock taking three of the four second innings wickets to

1799
01:29:30,747 --> 01:29:33,147
Speaker 2: fall to have eight for the match so far. Yesterday

1800
01:29:33,307 --> 01:29:37,027
Speaker 2: was a rest day for the Sri Lankan presidential elections.

1801
01:29:37,467 --> 01:29:40,067
Speaker 2: Day four is underway in just over a couple of

1802
01:29:40,147 --> 01:29:43,427
Speaker 2: hours time. Former Black Apps placement Mitch mcclenahan is part

1803
01:29:43,467 --> 01:29:46,387
Speaker 2: of the commentary team in Gaul and he joins us. Now,

1804
01:29:46,467 --> 01:29:49,267
Speaker 2: let's start with the positive, Mitch, and well, will I

1805
01:29:49,387 --> 01:29:52,427
Speaker 2: Rock's the obvious one. What has impressed you most about

1806
01:29:52,507 --> 01:29:55,067
Speaker 2: Willow rocks bowling in this Test match so far?

1807
01:29:56,147 --> 01:29:59,547
Speaker 6: Oh, betty, second wicket's first and foremost. It's sensational for

1808
01:29:59,627 --> 01:30:02,747
Speaker 6: a fast baller to do what he's done in these conditions.

1809
01:30:03,307 --> 01:30:05,427
Speaker 6: I know that they tried to make this wicket a

1810
01:30:05,507 --> 01:30:08,387
Speaker 6: little bit flatter than they usually would here in gaul

1811
01:30:08,507 --> 01:30:11,147
Speaker 6: because they've just come back from England, that three match

1812
01:30:11,227 --> 01:30:13,587
Speaker 6: series against England where they won that last Test, and

1813
01:30:13,987 --> 01:30:16,067
Speaker 6: they're a little bit concerned from a Schlankan point of

1814
01:30:16,147 --> 01:30:17,107
Speaker 6: view that they weren't going to.

1815
01:30:17,107 --> 01:30:19,867
Speaker 10: Be used to their own conditions and that aided will.

1816
01:30:20,467 --> 01:30:22,547
Speaker 6: There was a little bit extra bounds, particularly from the

1817
01:30:22,667 --> 01:30:26,587
Speaker 6: fourth end on day one, but what was amazing to

1818
01:30:26,627 --> 01:30:28,547
Speaker 6: see was the amount of late movement he got off

1819
01:30:28,587 --> 01:30:30,467
Speaker 6: the surface as well, just a little bit of swing

1820
01:30:30,587 --> 01:30:32,987
Speaker 6: and when it swings laid into the surface, it keeps

1821
01:30:33,027 --> 01:30:35,507
Speaker 6: on going. It reminds me a bit of Lockey Ferguson

1822
01:30:35,587 --> 01:30:37,387
Speaker 6: with the white ball when he gets that new ball

1823
01:30:37,427 --> 01:30:40,867
Speaker 6: that always keeps on coming back at the right hand,

1824
01:30:41,067 --> 01:30:44,267
Speaker 6: and you know players like Angelo Matthews don't like it

1825
01:30:44,347 --> 01:30:47,267
Speaker 6: on the back foot and he dominated straight away. So

1826
01:30:47,787 --> 01:30:50,827
Speaker 6: that was impressive to see and I guess throughout it's

1827
01:30:50,867 --> 01:30:52,427
Speaker 6: just the intent to keep on coming back.

1828
01:30:52,467 --> 01:30:54,227
Speaker 10: Look, he's not going to hit the same spot all

1829
01:30:54,267 --> 01:30:54,547
Speaker 10: the time.

1830
01:30:54,627 --> 01:30:56,987
Speaker 6: He's onely young in his cricketing career and there's going

1831
01:30:57,027 --> 01:30:59,907
Speaker 6: to be a few way with deliveries, but in between

1832
01:30:59,987 --> 01:31:04,347
Speaker 6: that there's some seriously, seriously good cricketing deliveries at this level.

1833
01:31:04,507 --> 01:31:07,867
Speaker 6: So the skills he's possessed and his ability to also

1834
01:31:08,147 --> 01:31:10,467
Speaker 6: just have those conversations with Tim.

1835
01:31:10,347 --> 01:31:12,467
Speaker 28: Saudi and you can see how they're working to get

1836
01:31:12,507 --> 01:31:12,747
Speaker 28: it to.

1837
01:31:12,827 --> 01:31:15,067
Speaker 10: Try and figure guys out and set fields.

1838
01:31:15,067 --> 01:31:18,067
Speaker 6: As we saw late last night with that catch Tom

1839
01:31:18,147 --> 01:31:21,427
Speaker 6: Latham at leg gulling, just little plans like that.

1840
01:31:21,547 --> 01:31:23,387
Speaker 10: It looks like he's learning very quickly on the job.

1841
01:31:23,827 --> 01:31:26,587
Speaker 2: He's bold just twelve overs in the second innings. The

1842
01:31:26,627 --> 01:31:30,307
Speaker 2: second innings has had seventy two overs so far. Is

1843
01:31:30,387 --> 01:31:33,267
Speaker 2: this good management of Willow Rourke or is this under

1844
01:31:33,387 --> 01:31:34,907
Speaker 2: use of Willow Rourke.

1845
01:31:36,987 --> 01:31:38,147
Speaker 10: Yeah, it's difficult, isn't it?

1846
01:31:38,267 --> 01:31:42,107
Speaker 6: Because he is only three Test matches into his career.

1847
01:31:42,267 --> 01:31:44,347
Speaker 6: He's coming back from an injury we pulled up in

1848
01:31:44,387 --> 01:31:48,187
Speaker 6: our last Test against all that Test in Wellington against Australia.

1849
01:31:48,307 --> 01:31:51,347
Speaker 6: So you're obviously concerned that the workload at this level

1850
01:31:51,627 --> 01:31:55,387
Speaker 6: maybe a little bit step too far, particularly in these conditions.

1851
01:31:55,467 --> 01:31:58,507
Speaker 6: It's hot, it's hot out there, the grounds soft, so

1852
01:31:58,627 --> 01:32:01,467
Speaker 6: it is difficult for fast bowlers. Look, I think they've

1853
01:32:01,467 --> 01:32:04,867
Speaker 6: probably used them pretty well there was a period yesterday

1854
01:32:04,907 --> 01:32:07,987
Speaker 6: in particular where the game just started to meander along

1855
01:32:08,267 --> 01:32:10,907
Speaker 6: and go at the pace that the Schlankans like to

1856
01:32:10,947 --> 01:32:12,787
Speaker 6: play their Test cricket. They don't want to be rush,

1857
01:32:12,867 --> 01:32:15,827
Speaker 6: They just want to knock it around and take it

1858
01:32:15,867 --> 01:32:18,707
Speaker 6: pretty cruisy. And there might have been an argument to

1859
01:32:18,707 --> 01:32:20,987
Speaker 6: bring him back maybe five or six overs earlier, to

1860
01:32:21,107 --> 01:32:24,187
Speaker 6: try and spark the New Zealand bowling innings into a

1861
01:32:24,227 --> 01:32:26,787
Speaker 6: bit of light, because at the moment he's the only

1862
01:32:26,827 --> 01:32:28,907
Speaker 6: one who really seems to lift the energy.

1863
01:32:29,067 --> 01:32:29,707
Speaker 28: On the park.

1864
01:32:30,027 --> 01:32:34,267
Speaker 6: So yeah, it's a difficult one because you've also got

1865
01:32:34,347 --> 01:32:37,587
Speaker 6: to remember how he's gone in this Test match in particular.

1866
01:32:38,267 --> 01:32:40,107
Speaker 6: You are probably going to want him to be playing

1867
01:32:40,387 --> 01:32:42,907
Speaker 6: almost all of those Test matches against India as well,

1868
01:32:43,067 --> 01:32:44,747
Speaker 6: So it might be a little bit a look to

1869
01:32:44,867 --> 01:32:47,387
Speaker 6: the future, but you've got to win this Test match

1870
01:32:47,507 --> 01:32:49,947
Speaker 6: right now, so at the moment he's probably.

1871
01:32:49,747 --> 01:32:50,467
Speaker 10: Your biggest threat.

1872
01:32:51,107 --> 01:32:54,267
Speaker 2: Between lunch and tea on Day three, Sri Lanka added

1873
01:32:54,307 --> 01:32:56,307
Speaker 2: one hundred and two runs and thirty one overs, didn't

1874
01:32:56,347 --> 01:33:00,147
Speaker 2: lose a wicket. How crucial a session might might that be?

1875
01:33:00,507 --> 01:33:03,787
Speaker 2: And was that a session perhaps the black Caps could

1876
01:33:03,907 --> 01:33:04,587
Speaker 2: have done more?

1877
01:33:06,387 --> 01:33:08,387
Speaker 6: Yeah, It probably comes back to exactly that they probably

1878
01:33:08,427 --> 01:33:10,587
Speaker 6: did need to use Will O'Rourke and a couple of

1879
01:33:10,667 --> 01:33:13,147
Speaker 6: extra spells, whether it's two overs, just to try and

1880
01:33:13,227 --> 01:33:18,707
Speaker 6: increase that intensity. Yeap Erani and Chundermel better beautifully didn't

1881
01:33:18,707 --> 01:33:20,347
Speaker 6: they So they weren't.

1882
01:33:20,147 --> 01:33:23,307
Speaker 10: Put under a lot of pressure. Maybe because they were

1883
01:33:23,307 --> 01:33:25,507
Speaker 10: actually on the aggressive side.

1884
01:33:25,627 --> 01:33:28,507
Speaker 6: They actually didn't let the lights of Glenn Phillips or

1885
01:33:28,627 --> 01:33:32,587
Speaker 6: Ajs Battel really settle and they really put them under

1886
01:33:32,627 --> 01:33:34,467
Speaker 6: pressure knowing that spin was going to be a threat.

1887
01:33:34,507 --> 01:33:39,387
Speaker 6: I thought Connor Rudner was exceptional the way he reverse

1888
01:33:39,427 --> 01:33:41,867
Speaker 6: swept out of the raft and was able then to

1889
01:33:41,987 --> 01:33:45,027
Speaker 6: rock back and had against the spin to those gaps

1890
01:33:45,067 --> 01:33:47,867
Speaker 6: and also use the sweep shot effectively.

1891
01:33:48,107 --> 01:33:49,587
Speaker 28: So yeah, it's one of.

1892
01:33:49,587 --> 01:33:51,347
Speaker 6: Those things if you're trying to bowl in an area

1893
01:33:51,387 --> 01:33:53,547
Speaker 6: and the batsman doesn't let you and they have the

1894
01:33:53,627 --> 01:33:56,347
Speaker 6: skills to be able to negate your plans, it can

1895
01:33:56,427 --> 01:34:00,027
Speaker 6: be of a challenging to find the hole in the armory.

1896
01:34:00,107 --> 01:34:01,787
Speaker 6: And for Schlanka, yeah.

1897
01:34:01,667 --> 01:34:03,387
Speaker 10: I think that session has put them in a really

1898
01:34:03,427 --> 01:34:05,427
Speaker 10: good position. But before that, I.

1899
01:34:05,427 --> 01:34:07,547
Speaker 6: Think New Zealand let them selves down. They had a really,

1900
01:34:07,947 --> 01:34:10,787
Speaker 6: really good opportunity Overnight to come out and put a

1901
01:34:10,907 --> 01:34:14,467
Speaker 6: massive lead on the board, and they just looked like

1902
01:34:14,547 --> 01:34:17,747
Speaker 6: they were getting some momentum. And then Tom Blundell got

1903
01:34:17,827 --> 01:34:19,707
Speaker 6: caught on the gloves and then Darryl Mitchell was so

1904
01:34:19,867 --> 01:34:21,787
Speaker 6: slow off the mark. I don't know if it looked

1905
01:34:21,827 --> 01:34:24,947
Speaker 6: like that on the TV, but was standing on his

1906
01:34:25,107 --> 01:34:27,147
Speaker 6: back and as really sloughed the mark and it was

1907
01:34:27,147 --> 01:34:30,627
Speaker 6: an unnecessary runout in all honesty should have been an

1908
01:34:30,667 --> 01:34:33,587
Speaker 6: easy single. So that was probably the turning points. And

1909
01:34:34,147 --> 01:34:35,827
Speaker 6: once you get a couple of spinners who are very

1910
01:34:35,827 --> 01:34:38,067
Speaker 6: good in these conditions, they seem to be able to

1911
01:34:38,107 --> 01:34:39,387
Speaker 6: mop up the tail real quick.

1912
01:34:39,787 --> 01:34:39,947
Speaker 18: Yeah.

1913
01:34:39,987 --> 01:34:42,667
Speaker 2: You look at New Zealand's first and scorecard match. Everybody

1914
01:34:42,747 --> 01:34:45,947
Speaker 2: in the top seven got to double figures to varying degrees.

1915
01:34:45,987 --> 01:34:48,147
Speaker 2: They all look good, but all failed to kick on

1916
01:34:48,267 --> 01:34:51,907
Speaker 2: Tom Latham's seventy the top score. How much do you

1917
01:34:51,987 --> 01:34:54,467
Speaker 2: reckon that's going to hurt New Zealand. They as they

1918
01:34:54,547 --> 01:34:57,107
Speaker 2: try to seek victory in this Test match or even now,

1919
01:34:57,267 --> 01:34:59,507
Speaker 2: try to make sure that they're not on the losing

1920
01:34:59,627 --> 01:35:00,067
Speaker 2: end of it.

1921
01:35:01,907 --> 01:35:04,387
Speaker 6: Yeah, look, I think they really there. With the conditions

1922
01:35:04,427 --> 01:35:05,787
Speaker 6: the way they were, they should have been able to

1923
01:35:05,827 --> 01:35:09,227
Speaker 6: push for four four hundred plus, and you know, you

1924
01:35:09,347 --> 01:35:10,547
Speaker 6: saw how Glenn Phillips came.

1925
01:35:10,467 --> 01:35:11,947
Speaker 28: Out and beat it at the end. If if you

1926
01:35:12,027 --> 01:35:13,707
Speaker 28: had a batting partner there with him.

1927
01:35:13,947 --> 01:35:16,547
Speaker 10: You know, it could have been a massive score. And

1928
01:35:17,147 --> 01:35:20,467
Speaker 10: I think Tom Latham and Kane will be particularly disappointed

1929
01:35:20,507 --> 01:35:21,027
Speaker 10: with themselves.

1930
01:35:21,227 --> 01:35:22,947
Speaker 6: They've done all the hard work and at that point

1931
01:35:23,027 --> 01:35:26,947
Speaker 6: that partnership that they had, they were dominating and the

1932
01:35:27,027 --> 01:35:30,987
Speaker 6: same kind of energy we saw from New Zealand late

1933
01:35:31,107 --> 01:35:33,467
Speaker 6: last night where they just didn't look like that felt

1934
01:35:33,627 --> 01:35:36,667
Speaker 6: that they were in the game. Schlanka had lost.

1935
01:35:36,507 --> 01:35:38,027
Speaker 28: All hope when they were batting together.

1936
01:35:38,267 --> 01:35:41,147
Speaker 6: So yeah, probably a couple of missed opportunities. I mean,

1937
01:35:41,227 --> 01:35:43,587
Speaker 6: Cain Williamson's been so great lately, hasn't he. I think

1938
01:35:43,667 --> 01:35:46,787
Speaker 6: that's the tenth time he's gone past fifty since December

1939
01:35:46,827 --> 01:35:50,307
Speaker 6: twenty twenty two, and it's only only the second time

1940
01:35:50,347 --> 01:35:52,027
Speaker 6: he's failed to convert it to one hundred.

1941
01:35:52,067 --> 01:35:55,107
Speaker 28: And I mean we have high, high expectations of him only.

1942
01:35:55,587 --> 01:35:58,787
Speaker 2: Indeed, indeed, and he continues to deliver on them. What

1943
01:35:58,907 --> 01:35:59,947
Speaker 2: about days four and five?

1944
01:36:00,147 --> 01:36:00,307
Speaker 23: Much?

1945
01:36:00,347 --> 01:36:02,627
Speaker 2: How much is this wicket turning? And the second part

1946
01:36:02,747 --> 01:36:05,987
Speaker 2: is how much is chasable in the fourth innings.

1947
01:36:08,347 --> 01:36:09,307
Speaker 10: Yeah, really good question.

1948
01:36:10,067 --> 01:36:14,067
Speaker 6: The wicket's definitely turning far more out of willow Rook's footmarks,

1949
01:36:14,107 --> 01:36:16,667
Speaker 6: so you would have seen that the grief turn yesterday.

1950
01:36:16,427 --> 01:36:19,467
Speaker 28: Was another degree in half more than it was on

1951
01:36:19,587 --> 01:36:20,067
Speaker 28: Day one and.

1952
01:36:20,347 --> 01:36:22,387
Speaker 6: Day two, but that was mainly due to the fact

1953
01:36:22,427 --> 01:36:25,987
Speaker 6: that New Zealand bowlers, as tell particular, was trying to

1954
01:36:26,027 --> 01:36:27,267
Speaker 6: get it out of the footmarks.

1955
01:36:27,387 --> 01:36:29,747
Speaker 10: So that's going to be challenging the score runs.

1956
01:36:29,787 --> 01:36:32,747
Speaker 6: If they really try and and dry up the scoring

1957
01:36:33,467 --> 01:36:37,067
Speaker 6: in the last innings, I think day four it would

1958
01:36:37,067 --> 01:36:39,387
Speaker 6: be really interesting to see how New Zealand come out.

1959
01:36:39,547 --> 01:36:42,547
Speaker 6: A really positive thing about this Test match is that

1960
01:36:43,187 --> 01:36:45,147
Speaker 6: Day four is actually going to be on day five

1961
01:36:45,387 --> 01:36:47,067
Speaker 6: and it's going to give our bowl it's an extra

1962
01:36:47,427 --> 01:36:49,307
Speaker 6: day to have a bit of a rest and come

1963
01:36:49,387 --> 01:36:51,987
Speaker 6: out far and the new balls not far away, so

1964
01:36:52,547 --> 01:36:53,107
Speaker 6: that's going to be.

1965
01:36:53,147 --> 01:36:53,587
Speaker 10: Huge as well.

1966
01:36:53,627 --> 01:36:56,907
Speaker 6: The new balls only ate overs away, so I'm hoping

1967
01:36:56,987 --> 01:37:00,667
Speaker 6: with the day off a new ball early in the

1968
01:37:01,067 --> 01:37:05,947
Speaker 6: session on Day four, effectively day five, that New Zealand

1969
01:37:05,947 --> 01:37:09,347
Speaker 6: will be able to break open this partnership. And to

1970
01:37:09,467 --> 01:37:13,547
Speaker 6: be honest, from all the numbers that they throw out

1971
01:37:14,227 --> 01:37:18,187
Speaker 6: in the combox. The SriLankan commentators on Worth said that

1972
01:37:18,747 --> 01:37:22,147
Speaker 6: shelank has probably almost got enough, so they're going to

1973
01:37:22,187 --> 01:37:24,907
Speaker 6: have to make quick work of trying to get those

1974
01:37:24,947 --> 01:37:28,307
Speaker 6: wickets early because on Gaul, what they say is that

1975
01:37:29,067 --> 01:37:32,347
Speaker 6: on day four there's okay up until lunch to bat well.

1976
01:37:32,387 --> 01:37:35,307
Speaker 28: Once after that day four and day five it really does.

1977
01:37:35,227 --> 01:37:38,147
Speaker 6: Start to crumble intoteriort and it's very difficult to score uns.

1978
01:37:38,347 --> 01:37:41,187
Speaker 2: All Right, challenging couple of days ahead for the Black Apps.

1979
01:37:41,267 --> 01:37:43,827
Speaker 2: Much great to get your analysis, loving your commentary over there, mate,

1980
01:37:43,827 --> 01:37:45,707
Speaker 2: Thanks for taking the time for a chat.

1981
01:37:45,987 --> 01:37:46,507
Speaker 28: Got a problem.

1982
01:37:46,707 --> 01:37:50,747
Speaker 2: It's Mitchell mcclenahan, part of the commentary team that's bringing

1983
01:37:50,867 --> 01:37:54,387
Speaker 2: coverage of this Test match from Gaul. Day four after

1984
01:37:54,427 --> 01:37:57,347
Speaker 2: the rest day yesterday underway. At four thirty this afternoon

1985
01:37:57,667 --> 01:38:00,267
Speaker 2: New Zealand Times, Sri Lanka resumed two thirty seven for

1986
01:38:00,427 --> 01:38:02,627
Speaker 2: four in their second innings. That is a lead of

1987
01:38:02,667 --> 01:38:06,667
Speaker 2: two hundred and two at the crease. Angelo Matthews beaten

1988
01:38:06,827 --> 01:38:10,947
Speaker 2: on thirty four and Danajea to silver, the captain also

1989
01:38:11,107 --> 01:38:13,627
Speaker 2: there on thirty four, not out a lead of two

1990
01:38:13,707 --> 01:38:16,867
Speaker 2: hundred and two. Yeah, it'll be interesting to see Shri

1991
01:38:16,947 --> 01:38:20,027
Speaker 2: Lanka's approach. I guess they'll obviously want to win the

1992
01:38:20,067 --> 01:38:22,347
Speaker 2: Test match. How long do they need to leave themselves

1993
01:38:22,507 --> 01:38:25,987
Speaker 2: it'll continue to turn. As you heard Mitchell mclenahan say,

1994
01:38:26,307 --> 01:38:28,227
Speaker 2: I guess New Zealand can take the decision out of

1995
01:38:28,267 --> 01:38:30,907
Speaker 2: Schrilanka's hands by just running through them and trying to

1996
01:38:30,947 --> 01:38:34,387
Speaker 2: bowl them out for you know, for not too many more. Yeah,

1997
01:38:35,027 --> 01:38:38,227
Speaker 2: would say a lot of Shrilankan commentators believe they have

1998
01:38:38,427 --> 01:38:41,467
Speaker 2: enough already that two hundreds too much to chase. But

1999
01:38:41,947 --> 01:38:44,187
Speaker 2: I think you'd be pretty gutsy to pull out with

2000
01:38:45,187 --> 01:38:48,347
Speaker 2: successions of cricket left and only two hundred runs to defend.

2001
01:38:48,587 --> 01:38:50,627
Speaker 2: Get the feeling Shrilanka will try at least to get

2002
01:38:50,667 --> 01:38:53,027
Speaker 2: through to lunch and then probably the middle part of

2003
01:38:53,067 --> 01:38:55,667
Speaker 2: the second session and maybe then think about pulling pin

2004
01:38:56,027 --> 01:38:57,987
Speaker 2: give themselves four in a bit sessions to bowl New

2005
01:38:58,027 --> 01:39:00,227
Speaker 2: Zealand out and take a one der lead in this

2006
01:39:00,387 --> 01:39:04,347
Speaker 2: two match series. We wait and see updating Live Sport

2007
01:39:04,507 --> 01:39:07,307
Speaker 2: from Hamilton where wake Cup to So are twenty two

2008
01:39:07,547 --> 01:39:10,467
Speaker 2: ten ahead of Tasman with twenty minutes to go in

2009
01:39:10,547 --> 01:39:12,947
Speaker 2: their Bunnings MPC match that was a one to ozho

2010
01:39:13,027 --> 01:39:15,707
Speaker 2: five kickoff the games which kicked off just after two

2011
01:39:16,667 --> 01:39:19,947
Speaker 2: about fifteen twenty minutes in Auckland seven mill ahead of

2012
01:39:19,987 --> 01:39:23,107
Speaker 2: Southland at Eden Park and Otago seven millahead of Mother

2013
01:39:23,147 --> 01:39:27,427
Speaker 2: We two at Central Energy Trust Arena in Palmerston, North

2014
01:39:28,027 --> 01:39:31,467
Speaker 2: two twenty three. When we come back, we'll focus in

2015
01:39:31,627 --> 01:39:34,907
Speaker 2: on the NRL Final series. We have our final four,

2016
01:39:35,267 --> 01:39:37,547
Speaker 2: the elimination finals over the last couple of nights who

2017
01:39:37,587 --> 01:39:40,227
Speaker 2: got rid of a couple of teams. Only four remain,

2018
01:39:40,627 --> 01:39:42,867
Speaker 2: so can either of the two who got through in

2019
01:39:42,867 --> 01:39:45,307
Speaker 2: the last couple of nights challenge the two who are

2020
01:39:45,387 --> 01:39:48,547
Speaker 2: waiting for them in the preliminary finals. The Storm and

2021
01:39:48,587 --> 01:39:50,867
Speaker 2: the Panthers look far and ourway the best two sites.

2022
01:39:51,307 --> 01:39:53,747
Speaker 2: Could the Roosters or the Sharks have something to say?

2023
01:39:54,267 --> 01:39:58,187
Speaker 2: Greg Alexander joining us after this on Weekend Sport Don't get.

2024
01:39:58,107 --> 01:40:01,827
Speaker 1: Caught off side eight hundred eighty ten eighty Weekend Sports

2025
01:40:01,867 --> 01:40:05,987
Speaker 1: with Jason Paine and GJ. Gunnomes New Zealand's most trusted

2026
01:40:06,027 --> 01:40:07,307
Speaker 1: home news dogs.

2027
01:40:07,347 --> 01:40:10,467
Speaker 2: Inb to twenty six, we've got our Final four and

2028
01:40:10,547 --> 01:40:14,227
Speaker 2: the NRL. The Roosters through to a preliminary final against

2029
01:40:14,267 --> 01:40:17,307
Speaker 2: the Storm, knocking Manly out with a forty sixteen winning

2030
01:40:17,387 --> 01:40:18,187
Speaker 2: Sydney last night.

2031
01:40:18,307 --> 01:40:22,267
Speaker 22: Here he kicks out why Dominique young Joseph Mardu flying

2032
01:40:22,787 --> 01:40:25,507
Speaker 22: and he serves it up on a silver platter for

2033
01:40:25,587 --> 01:40:27,027
Speaker 22: the big Englishman.

2034
01:40:27,507 --> 01:40:32,627
Speaker 2: Dominic Ya after back to the aerial skill of Joseph Mardhu.

2035
01:40:32,707 --> 01:40:34,707
Speaker 2: There that was the final try for the Roosters forty

2036
01:40:34,787 --> 01:40:37,987
Speaker 2: points to sixteen. Former Warriors and Penrith halfback and now

2037
01:40:38,067 --> 01:40:41,307
Speaker 2: highly respected rugby league analyst Greg Alexander was in the

2038
01:40:41,307 --> 01:40:44,347
Speaker 2: commentary box last night. He joins us now forty sixteen,

2039
01:40:44,427 --> 01:40:46,747
Speaker 2: feels very comfortable on the scoreboard. Greg, Do you think

2040
01:40:46,787 --> 01:40:47,707
Speaker 2: it was a fair reflection?

2041
01:40:49,347 --> 01:40:54,027
Speaker 29: It probably was, Jason, Yes, good to chat twenty twenty

2042
01:40:54,067 --> 01:40:56,747
Speaker 29: to four at halftime, manly grabbing that try right on

2043
01:40:56,907 --> 01:41:01,067
Speaker 29: the stroke of the break where Sherry Evans Chip kicked

2044
01:41:01,107 --> 01:41:05,067
Speaker 29: it for homali Ola Kauatu and they needed something grub

2045
01:41:05,107 --> 01:41:08,747
Speaker 29: and Garrick a blooder of a night missing tackles, missed

2046
01:41:08,787 --> 01:41:12,267
Speaker 29: that kick. They trailed twenty to four at half time. Hindsight,

2047
01:41:12,747 --> 01:41:15,707
Speaker 29: you know, and you never because there's the ability of

2048
01:41:15,827 --> 01:41:18,427
Speaker 29: sides to score points so quickly these days, and we've

2049
01:41:18,467 --> 01:41:20,787
Speaker 29: seen games this year where you know, there was only

2050
01:41:20,827 --> 01:41:23,387
Speaker 29: a matter of minutes left. But teams have the ability

2051
01:41:23,467 --> 01:41:27,267
Speaker 29: to score points in a bunch. You never write a

2052
01:41:27,347 --> 01:41:29,627
Speaker 29: team off. But boy, if I was going to write

2053
01:41:29,627 --> 01:41:31,747
Speaker 29: a team off, I would have been writing Manly off

2054
01:41:31,787 --> 01:41:34,747
Speaker 29: at halftime. Just had to score first coming into the

2055
01:41:34,787 --> 01:41:35,307
Speaker 29: second half.

2056
01:41:35,387 --> 01:41:36,947
Speaker 18: They didn't. The Roosters scored off.

2057
01:41:36,867 --> 01:41:39,667
Speaker 29: The back of an error that Manly made or a

2058
01:41:39,867 --> 01:41:45,307
Speaker 29: challenge that was unsuccessful, and that was it. Once the

2059
01:41:45,427 --> 01:41:47,707
Speaker 29: Rooster scored the first try on the second half, I

2060
01:41:47,787 --> 01:41:51,067
Speaker 29: thought it was all over. So the score Jason did reflect.

2061
01:41:51,427 --> 01:41:53,707
Speaker 29: I thought the dominance of the Roosters.

2062
01:41:54,027 --> 01:41:56,187
Speaker 2: Quite astonishing start to the game. Greg, I don't think

2063
01:41:56,187 --> 01:41:58,227
Speaker 2: I've ever seen it. Two head knocks from the first

2064
01:41:58,307 --> 01:42:00,987
Speaker 2: two plays of the game saw two of the Seagulls

2065
01:42:01,067 --> 01:42:04,707
Speaker 2: starters forced off. How much of effect was that in hindsight.

2066
01:42:05,107 --> 01:42:08,227
Speaker 29: Yeah, I think it was, even though they did recover

2067
01:42:08,307 --> 01:42:13,547
Speaker 29: and they defended pretty courageously for the you know, following

2068
01:42:13,707 --> 01:42:14,387
Speaker 29: ten minutes.

2069
01:42:14,467 --> 01:42:17,707
Speaker 18: But the automatically the Roosters were on the front foot.

2070
01:42:18,227 --> 01:42:22,867
Speaker 29: Kohler off for the game just went in and we've

2071
01:42:22,907 --> 01:42:26,147
Speaker 29: seen it happening kickoffs this year or not for a

2072
01:42:26,227 --> 01:42:28,107
Speaker 29: while now. But there seemed to be a spate of

2073
01:42:29,467 --> 01:42:32,347
Speaker 29: head knocks off kickoffs, and I remember Anzac Day where

2074
01:42:32,467 --> 01:42:35,227
Speaker 29: Moses Souley against the Roosters was knocked out in the

2075
01:42:35,267 --> 01:42:38,427
Speaker 29: first play exactly the same manner coming out of the

2076
01:42:38,467 --> 01:42:40,387
Speaker 29: line try to make a tackle was gone.

2077
01:42:40,627 --> 01:42:42,827
Speaker 18: And then the Dragons never recovered from that.

2078
01:42:42,947 --> 01:42:46,267
Speaker 29: And even though Ben Traboyevich is a good replacement for

2079
01:42:46,867 --> 01:42:49,107
Speaker 29: you know, he's not Tallu Kohler, and I think that

2080
01:42:49,307 --> 01:42:52,787
Speaker 29: really rocked them to lose Jake. He came back on

2081
01:42:52,987 --> 01:42:56,347
Speaker 29: but to start the game, and I remember Warren Smith

2082
01:42:56,467 --> 01:42:59,027
Speaker 29: calling with him. He said, twenty we are only twenty

2083
01:42:59,067 --> 01:43:02,347
Speaker 29: three seconds into the game and Manly have already lost

2084
01:43:02,387 --> 01:43:06,307
Speaker 29: two players. So a tough way to start the night,

2085
01:43:06,467 --> 01:43:07,067
Speaker 29: that's for sure.

2086
01:43:07,547 --> 01:43:10,227
Speaker 2: Indeed, James to disco for the Roosters celebrating is two

2087
01:43:10,307 --> 01:43:13,067
Speaker 2: hundred and fiftieth NRL game. Couple of tries he set

2088
01:43:13,147 --> 01:43:15,587
Speaker 2: up to more ran four a game high one hundred

2089
01:43:15,587 --> 01:43:19,067
Speaker 2: and eighty three meters. How integral is James to disco

2090
01:43:19,347 --> 01:43:20,427
Speaker 2: to the Roosters.

2091
01:43:21,227 --> 01:43:24,587
Speaker 29: Vital, absolutely vital. You know when you when you look

2092
01:43:24,627 --> 01:43:29,907
Speaker 29: at their matchup next week against the Melbourne Storm, I've

2093
01:43:29,947 --> 01:43:34,387
Speaker 29: got you know, I've got a rabid Rooster's mate that

2094
01:43:34,907 --> 01:43:38,307
Speaker 29: texts me this morning and said, now now we'll get beaten.

2095
01:43:39,067 --> 01:43:41,907
Speaker 29: You know, it's great to win last night, but now

2096
01:43:41,947 --> 01:43:43,707
Speaker 29: we're playing the storm, we get beaten. I said, well,

2097
01:43:44,307 --> 01:43:47,027
Speaker 29: you know, I said, don't don't, don't throw. There is

2098
01:43:47,107 --> 01:43:49,947
Speaker 29: a glimmer of hope and James to Desco, is that

2099
01:43:50,067 --> 01:43:54,147
Speaker 29: glimmer because when you have a look at the key players,

2100
01:43:54,187 --> 01:43:56,627
Speaker 29: that the ones that handle the ball the most. When

2101
01:43:56,667 --> 01:43:58,587
Speaker 29: you compare, I said, play for player, you might have

2102
01:43:58,707 --> 01:44:01,667
Speaker 29: the Melbourne Storm, but it's the six, seven and nine

2103
01:44:01,707 --> 01:44:05,107
Speaker 29: that it makes the difference to the to the you know,

2104
01:44:05,187 --> 01:44:08,547
Speaker 29: between the two sides. The roosters in Melbourne drum Us,

2105
01:44:09,027 --> 01:44:13,027
Speaker 29: Camera Monster, Harry Grant just have you know Camera Monster

2106
01:44:13,267 --> 01:44:15,107
Speaker 29: has been out a lot, but he's been back for

2107
01:44:15,187 --> 01:44:18,547
Speaker 29: now six weeks and looks good. To Desco, is the

2108
01:44:18,627 --> 01:44:20,987
Speaker 29: difference for the roosters. You know, he's that one that

2109
01:44:21,387 --> 01:44:25,267
Speaker 29: stands out. If Teddy plays well, well, the roosters are

2110
01:44:25,307 --> 01:44:27,347
Speaker 29: a chance. A lot has got to happen around them.

2111
01:44:27,387 --> 01:44:33,107
Speaker 29: But James has had a fantastic season. You know, I

2112
01:44:33,107 --> 01:44:34,947
Speaker 29: went through a bit of heartache last year, tough year

2113
01:44:35,027 --> 01:44:38,267
Speaker 29: last year for him, and form probably dipped a little bit.

2114
01:44:38,307 --> 01:44:40,387
Speaker 29: But boy, he's been setting the standard for a long

2115
01:44:40,467 --> 01:44:43,707
Speaker 29: time to Desko and he's back at that this year,

2116
01:44:43,787 --> 01:44:46,427
Speaker 29: which is which is great to see, and he'll extend

2117
01:44:46,467 --> 01:44:49,067
Speaker 29: his time at the Roosters and you know, but he's

2118
01:44:49,107 --> 01:44:51,947
Speaker 29: had a marvelous season and that was confirmed last night.

2119
01:44:52,267 --> 01:44:53,187
Speaker 18: He was their best player.

2120
01:44:53,587 --> 01:44:55,227
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can understand your mate trepidation.

2121
01:44:55,267 --> 01:44:55,387
Speaker 18: Tho.

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Speaker 2: I think they've lost ten of their last eleven against

2123
01:44:57,107 --> 01:44:58,907
Speaker 2: the Storm, so he's probably been through a bit of

2124
01:44:58,947 --> 01:45:03,507
Speaker 2: pain and it may well continue on Friday night. The

2125
01:45:03,587 --> 01:45:06,907
Speaker 2: other game over the weekend, Shark's twenty six Cowboy eighteen

2126
01:45:06,987 --> 01:45:09,267
Speaker 2: twenty four doll at halftime. This was the Nicko Hines,

2127
01:45:09,627 --> 01:45:12,267
Speaker 2: Braiden Trundle Show and many respects. How on price were

2128
01:45:12,267 --> 01:45:13,987
Speaker 2: you were there? And the Sharks in general?

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01:45:14,667 --> 01:45:17,187
Speaker 29: Oh yeah, look, I think you know, the Sharks came

2130
01:45:17,267 --> 01:45:19,427
Speaker 29: under fire through the week and they had to answer

2131
01:45:19,467 --> 01:45:21,427
Speaker 29: a lot of questions. And I don't think I've heard

2132
01:45:22,307 --> 01:45:26,467
Speaker 29: more commentary around a single player on how he should

2133
01:45:26,507 --> 01:45:27,147
Speaker 29: play the game.

2134
01:45:27,227 --> 01:45:31,587
Speaker 18: And that's Nico off the back of you know, comments

2135
01:45:31,627 --> 01:45:32,707
Speaker 18: made I made them.

2136
01:45:32,787 --> 01:45:35,627
Speaker 29: I said, look, you know, I don't think if I

2137
01:45:35,747 --> 01:45:37,587
Speaker 29: was picking the side, I don't know, the Sharks won't

2138
01:45:37,627 --> 01:45:42,027
Speaker 29: do it. You know, I probably go with Dan Atkinson

2139
01:45:42,107 --> 01:45:44,147
Speaker 29: instead of Nicko. I just think I thought he was

2140
01:45:44,187 --> 01:45:48,467
Speaker 29: struggling a bit, but I Braiden Trindle was and Nico

2141
01:45:48,867 --> 01:45:51,827
Speaker 29: played his role. But Braiden Trindle was a nine out

2142
01:45:51,867 --> 01:45:55,147
Speaker 29: of ten at half and he played the half back role,

2143
01:45:55,227 --> 01:45:58,427
Speaker 29: he played the seventh role, he kicked, He did it all.

2144
01:45:58,547 --> 01:46:02,827
Speaker 29: Braiden Trendle scored try, set up tries, was very good

2145
01:46:02,907 --> 01:46:05,227
Speaker 29: for them, and the Sharks were good and you know

2146
01:46:05,387 --> 01:46:08,107
Speaker 29: that was that was. I thought that game, more than

2147
01:46:08,147 --> 01:46:11,947
Speaker 29: the other game was in the balance. The Cowboys great

2148
01:46:11,987 --> 01:46:16,947
Speaker 29: attacking side, but very execution on Friday night was poor

2149
01:46:17,027 --> 01:46:21,107
Speaker 29: from the Cowboys and twenty four Neil the game was done.

2150
01:46:21,227 --> 01:46:23,747
Speaker 29: There was you know, a sniff from the Cowboys in

2151
01:46:23,827 --> 01:46:26,467
Speaker 29: the second half where they scored a couple of quick tries,

2152
01:46:26,507 --> 01:46:30,987
Speaker 29: but Shark's way too good and pretty impressive. And I

2153
01:46:31,027 --> 01:46:34,387
Speaker 29: thought they're forwards, you know, Trendle and Hines don't get

2154
01:46:34,467 --> 01:46:37,467
Speaker 29: to do what they do with the forwards don't do

2155
01:46:37,627 --> 01:46:38,107
Speaker 29: their part.

2156
01:46:38,227 --> 01:46:40,707
Speaker 18: And I thought the Cronulla forwards, who have.

2157
01:46:40,787 --> 01:46:42,587
Speaker 29: Been a bit hit and miss over the last six

2158
01:46:42,707 --> 01:46:45,707
Speaker 29: weeks some weeks have been good and really stood up

2159
01:46:45,747 --> 01:46:49,907
Speaker 29: and later platform. On other occasions they've been beaten well

2160
01:46:49,947 --> 01:46:53,147
Speaker 29: in the middle. So forwards were good and on the

2161
01:46:53,187 --> 01:46:57,147
Speaker 29: back of that Trendle and Hines complimented the you know,

2162
01:46:57,267 --> 01:47:00,307
Speaker 29: the platform that was laid and took advantage of it.

2163
01:47:00,427 --> 01:47:03,067
Speaker 29: So you know, we've got the top four sides now

2164
01:47:03,147 --> 01:47:04,627
Speaker 29: in the last two games.

2165
01:47:05,387 --> 01:47:08,347
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so the Sharks were ward. Is a preliminary

2166
01:47:08,427 --> 01:47:13,307
Speaker 2: final against the Panthers. Can you see them pushing Penrith?

2167
01:47:15,187 --> 01:47:17,307
Speaker 18: Yeah. Anything can happen in a big game, you know.

2168
01:47:17,387 --> 01:47:19,747
Speaker 29: And I think the fact that the Sharks now have

2169
01:47:19,907 --> 01:47:22,027
Speaker 29: that monkey off their back, and that was a lot

2170
01:47:22,107 --> 01:47:24,747
Speaker 29: that was spoken, you know, not just about Nicko, but

2171
01:47:24,827 --> 01:47:27,667
Speaker 29: about Cronulla in general and about their finals form and

2172
01:47:27,667 --> 01:47:30,427
Speaker 29: the fact that they just since twenty eighteen just haven't been.

2173
01:47:30,347 --> 01:47:31,227
Speaker 18: Able to win a final.

2174
01:47:32,027 --> 01:47:35,027
Speaker 29: That was hanging around their neck coming into that game

2175
01:47:35,067 --> 01:47:37,827
Speaker 29: against the Sharks on Friday night. The fact that they've

2176
01:47:37,867 --> 01:47:41,827
Speaker 29: been able to get it done and so emphatically with

2177
01:47:41,947 --> 01:47:44,867
Speaker 29: a very good perform, you know, opening forty minutes to

2178
01:47:44,947 --> 01:47:45,787
Speaker 29: lead twenty four nil.

2179
01:47:46,347 --> 01:47:47,827
Speaker 18: They've got to feel confident.

2180
01:47:48,907 --> 01:47:51,507
Speaker 29: Although they haven't had much joy against the Panthers, they've

2181
01:47:51,507 --> 01:47:54,267
Speaker 29: got to feel confident about their own form. And that's

2182
01:47:54,267 --> 01:47:57,987
Speaker 29: all they need to worry about. Worry about themselves and

2183
01:47:58,387 --> 01:48:00,587
Speaker 29: you know the rest will take care of itself. So

2184
01:48:01,187 --> 01:48:06,467
Speaker 29: of course there's hope. But Melbourne and Penrith both of

2185
01:48:07,867 --> 01:48:10,907
Speaker 29: to be favorites coming into these two prelim finals.

2186
01:48:11,547 --> 01:48:14,387
Speaker 2: And if we do get to a likely outcome of

2187
01:48:14,427 --> 01:48:17,947
Speaker 2: a grand final with Penrith up against Melbourne without knowing

2188
01:48:17,987 --> 01:48:19,707
Speaker 2: whether there's going to be injuries of course next weekend

2189
01:48:19,787 --> 01:48:22,547
Speaker 2: or anything like that, Greg, how do you separate these two?

2190
01:48:22,627 --> 01:48:23,747
Speaker 2: Can you separate these two?

2191
01:48:25,227 --> 01:48:25,267
Speaker 10: No?

2192
01:48:25,547 --> 01:48:25,947
Speaker 16: Very tight?

2193
01:48:26,227 --> 01:48:28,547
Speaker 29: And they only played each other a few weeks ago

2194
01:48:28,907 --> 01:48:31,387
Speaker 29: at Penrith and that was the night that Nathan Cleary

2195
01:48:32,027 --> 01:48:36,507
Speaker 29: did that shoulder. But Melbourne started well, they see, and

2196
01:48:37,147 --> 01:48:39,587
Speaker 29: that wasn't the only time they played each other back

2197
01:48:39,627 --> 01:48:42,267
Speaker 29: in round one and that score line was eight to nil.

2198
01:48:43,067 --> 01:48:46,107
Speaker 29: So they are able to stop Penrith scoring that night.

2199
01:48:47,307 --> 01:48:50,267
Speaker 29: And granted it is very early in the season, but

2200
01:48:50,347 --> 01:48:54,947
Speaker 29: I think defensively they they can match up against Penrith's attack.

2201
01:48:55,067 --> 01:48:58,187
Speaker 29: That's the key for Melbourne, the fact that they'll just

2202
01:48:58,307 --> 01:49:01,387
Speaker 29: be able. They seem to be able to defend Penrith

2203
01:49:01,627 --> 01:49:05,427
Speaker 29: very well. So they are that is, they're the two

2204
01:49:05,467 --> 01:49:08,427
Speaker 29: best teams the Store won the Minor Premiership by six points.

2205
01:49:08,507 --> 01:49:11,627
Speaker 29: Clearly the best and most consistent team throughout the year,

2206
01:49:12,027 --> 01:49:16,467
Speaker 29: and I would say Penrith. Penrith were under a little

2207
01:49:16,467 --> 01:49:19,747
Speaker 29: bit of pressure coming into that Rooster's final Week one

2208
01:49:19,827 --> 01:49:23,267
Speaker 29: out there at Penrith Park which it was called that night,

2209
01:49:25,507 --> 01:49:28,667
Speaker 29: because their form had been scratchy. Nathan Cleary hadn't been

2210
01:49:28,747 --> 01:49:31,627
Speaker 29: on the field. Penrith's form had been a little bit scratchy.

2211
01:49:31,667 --> 01:49:34,467
Speaker 29: Couple of losses, they went down to the Raiders, they

2212
01:49:34,547 --> 01:49:38,867
Speaker 29: got beaten by the Melbourne Storm. That really was you know,

2213
01:49:39,307 --> 01:49:41,587
Speaker 29: they turned back the clock to last year with that

2214
01:49:42,427 --> 01:49:47,067
Speaker 29: first half against the Roosters. Can they continue that? You'd

2215
01:49:47,147 --> 01:49:49,507
Speaker 29: have to think they're a good chance of doing that.

2216
01:49:49,707 --> 01:49:52,507
Speaker 29: So trying to predict what's going to happen against them

2217
01:49:52,547 --> 01:49:54,347
Speaker 29: in the Melbourne Storm in the Grand Final was very hot.

2218
01:49:54,627 --> 01:49:58,747
Speaker 29: I will say that the Storm probably they coasted through

2219
01:49:58,787 --> 01:50:00,587
Speaker 29: the year and was still winning but not playing great,

2220
01:50:00,627 --> 01:50:03,067
Speaker 29: but still winning. And you're going, well, boy, Melbourne is

2221
01:50:03,107 --> 01:50:05,427
Speaker 29: still winning. They're not really playing well. Some of their

2222
01:50:05,587 --> 01:50:08,147
Speaker 29: even their better place out of form. One player that's

2223
01:50:08,147 --> 01:50:11,467
Speaker 29: held his form all the year is Jerome Hughes. But

2224
01:50:11,587 --> 01:50:16,947
Speaker 29: I think since Monster's return. They are probably the big

2225
01:50:17,027 --> 01:50:20,067
Speaker 29: improvers over the last six weeks. I think the Storm

2226
01:50:20,107 --> 01:50:22,987
Speaker 29: have looked better than they ever have, you know throughout

2227
01:50:23,027 --> 01:50:25,587
Speaker 29: the year. Now that Monster's back in the lineup, and

2228
01:50:26,187 --> 01:50:29,187
Speaker 29: all those bits and pieces around the key men Harry

2229
01:50:29,227 --> 01:50:32,547
Speaker 29: Grant and Jerome Hughes, who had sort of held the

2230
01:50:32,627 --> 01:50:34,667
Speaker 29: fort for most of the year, where Papenhaus has been

2231
01:50:34,707 --> 01:50:37,107
Speaker 29: in and out and back and Monster's been in and out,

2232
01:50:37,307 --> 01:50:41,187
Speaker 29: are now back. But all those pieces around Hughes and

2233
01:50:41,387 --> 01:50:47,547
Speaker 29: Grant look so much better. Jack Howorth, Will Warbrick, Ellie Katowa.

2234
01:50:48,547 --> 01:50:49,547
Speaker 18: You know, the list goes on.

2235
01:50:49,787 --> 01:50:53,067
Speaker 29: The players, Trentley Aero. The players that have looked great

2236
01:50:53,827 --> 01:50:56,187
Speaker 29: over the last six weeks put Melbourne in a very

2237
01:50:56,227 --> 01:50:59,107
Speaker 29: good position. So I'm not going to declare it, Jason.

2238
01:50:59,587 --> 01:51:02,667
Speaker 18: I would. I'd love to say Penrith, but I won't

2239
01:51:02,707 --> 01:51:03,627
Speaker 18: go the early crow.

2240
01:51:03,787 --> 01:51:04,107
Speaker 16: I'll just.

2241
01:51:05,787 --> 01:51:06,947
Speaker 18: Keep a close to me chest.

2242
01:51:07,067 --> 01:51:09,707
Speaker 2: Yeah, good man, Greg, I'll see you had Shawn Johnson

2243
01:51:09,747 --> 01:51:11,627
Speaker 2: on your studio panel over the weekend. You reckon he's

2244
01:51:11,627 --> 01:51:12,627
Speaker 2: got a future behind the mic.

2245
01:51:13,067 --> 01:51:13,907
Speaker 16: Yeah he was so.

2246
01:51:14,067 --> 01:51:18,187
Speaker 29: Good, Yeah, so good, and no surprise having you know,

2247
01:51:18,427 --> 01:51:23,427
Speaker 29: Sewn's done a couple of stints over at Fox but

2248
01:51:24,267 --> 01:51:27,787
Speaker 29: a long time ago. But whenever you see Sean get interviewed,

2249
01:51:28,307 --> 01:51:32,987
Speaker 29: he's you know, he speaks, he speaks so well and

2250
01:51:33,187 --> 01:51:35,747
Speaker 29: he's very current. It was great to have him on

2251
01:51:35,867 --> 01:51:39,507
Speaker 29: the panel and get an insight into his thoughts on

2252
01:51:39,587 --> 01:51:41,227
Speaker 29: the players and the teams.

2253
01:51:41,907 --> 01:51:45,547
Speaker 2: Fantastic good man, Greg, Great to chat league with you

2254
01:51:45,587 --> 01:51:46,787
Speaker 2: as always, Thanks for taking the time.

2255
01:51:47,387 --> 01:51:49,307
Speaker 16: Good only jasp all the best mate.

2256
01:51:49,547 --> 01:51:52,987
Speaker 2: Yes that's Greg Alexander joining us out of Australia with

2257
01:51:53,307 --> 01:51:55,747
Speaker 2: Week two of the finals and the books Week three.

2258
01:51:56,267 --> 01:51:59,027
Speaker 2: Next weekend is the preliminary Final starting on Friday night

2259
01:51:59,067 --> 01:52:01,667
Speaker 2: when it's the Roosters up against the Melbourne Storm and

2260
01:52:01,707 --> 01:52:04,307
Speaker 2: then on Saturday evening the Sharks try and beat Penrith.

2261
01:52:04,587 --> 01:52:06,947
Speaker 2: It just feels as though it's Penrith Dorm coming in

2262
01:52:06,987 --> 01:52:09,027
Speaker 2: the Grand Final in a couple of weeks, but a

2263
01:52:09,107 --> 01:52:11,907
Speaker 2: lot can happen in knockout footy twenty two away from three.

2264
01:52:11,987 --> 01:52:14,507
Speaker 2: When we come back, we go sailing on Weekend Sport.

2265
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Speaker 1: The Voice of Sport on your home of Sport Weekend

2266
01:52:19,347 --> 01:52:23,187
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2268
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Speaker 2: Talksb eighteen away from three to two Yachting New Zealand

2269
01:52:28,867 --> 01:52:31,867
Speaker 2: sanctioned cruise are set to contest the Offshore Double Handed

2270
01:52:31,907 --> 01:52:35,027
Speaker 2: World Championship in France later in the month. Twenty two

2271
01:52:35,587 --> 01:52:40,227
Speaker 2: mixed gender crews from sixteen countries will chase global glory

2272
01:52:40,427 --> 01:52:43,307
Speaker 2: on identical craft. One of the two crews from New

2273
01:52:43,387 --> 01:52:48,667
Speaker 2: Zealand consists of Andrew Hall and Sandra Bees, representing Auckland's

2274
01:52:48,867 --> 01:52:52,227
Speaker 2: Richmond Yacht Club. Andrew and Sandra are both with us

2275
01:52:52,267 --> 01:52:55,427
Speaker 2: now on Weekend Sport. Andrew tell us about the challenge

2276
01:52:55,827 --> 01:52:57,747
Speaker 2: that awaits you over the next couple of weeks or so.

2277
01:52:58,827 --> 01:53:01,787
Speaker 11: I think we've got a pretty reasonable sort of challenge.

2278
01:53:01,787 --> 01:53:07,707
Speaker 11: We've got a fleet that is very well established, very

2279
01:53:07,787 --> 01:53:11,547
Speaker 11: good sailors out there, and we just we just got

2280
01:53:11,627 --> 01:53:13,107
Speaker 11: to get in there and give it a good old

2281
01:53:13,307 --> 01:53:15,867
Speaker 11: Kiwi nudge, you know, and get on with the job.

2282
01:53:16,147 --> 01:53:18,027
Speaker 2: That's the spirit. Now, let's go onto the nuts and

2283
01:53:18,067 --> 01:53:19,987
Speaker 2: bolts of what you'll be doing sand Yes, I've read

2284
01:53:20,027 --> 01:53:22,787
Speaker 2: it here. You'll be in one of two eleven boat

2285
01:53:22,867 --> 01:53:26,947
Speaker 2: fields sailing a twelve hour overnight race. The top five

2286
01:53:26,987 --> 01:53:29,387
Speaker 2: and each go through to a forty eight hour final.

2287
01:53:29,467 --> 01:53:32,187
Speaker 2: Now that sounds hard to me. How challenging is it?

2288
01:53:33,587 --> 01:53:35,027
Speaker 30: It'd be pretty challenging.

2289
01:53:35,107 --> 01:53:35,827
Speaker 10: I have to admit.

2290
01:53:36,227 --> 01:53:38,947
Speaker 30: We start the race at four o'clock in the afternoon,

2291
01:53:39,067 --> 01:53:40,867
Speaker 30: so we'll have about three and a half hours a

2292
01:53:40,947 --> 01:53:42,867
Speaker 30: daylight and then the rest of it will be night.

2293
01:53:44,147 --> 01:53:45,987
Speaker 7: So we're in a boat we don't.

2294
01:53:45,747 --> 01:53:48,627
Speaker 30: Really know, and waters we don't really know, and in

2295
01:53:48,707 --> 01:53:52,027
Speaker 30: the dark. So add all those things together and it'll

2296
01:53:52,067 --> 01:53:55,307
Speaker 30: be you know, it'll be fairly challenging. I bet it's

2297
01:53:55,427 --> 01:53:56,707
Speaker 30: challenging at the best of times.

2298
01:53:58,147 --> 01:54:01,707
Speaker 2: And de well tell us about the boats, Andrew, they're identical?

2299
01:54:02,187 --> 01:54:04,067
Speaker 2: Are they supplied to you? How does that work?

2300
01:54:05,027 --> 01:54:09,027
Speaker 11: Yes, the pump but every runs in the same boat

2301
01:54:09,107 --> 01:54:14,467
Speaker 11: that we all. We're all leasing the boats for the regatta,

2302
01:54:15,267 --> 01:54:18,907
Speaker 11: and it's very very tight. We're not allowed to take

2303
01:54:18,947 --> 01:54:21,147
Speaker 11: a lot of extra gear. I think we've got one

2304
01:54:21,227 --> 01:54:26,147
Speaker 11: extra sheet that we use, which is a rope. We're

2305
01:54:26,147 --> 01:54:29,067
Speaker 11: allowed one extra snatch block and we all have to

2306
01:54:29,147 --> 01:54:31,187
Speaker 11: take our own navigation gear and that's really it.

2307
01:54:32,147 --> 01:54:36,067
Speaker 2: And we're in so to understand that you didn't have

2308
01:54:36,227 --> 01:54:38,867
Speaker 2: one of these boats to train on back here in

2309
01:54:38,947 --> 01:54:40,987
Speaker 2: New Zealand, So how have you gone about preparing?

2310
01:54:42,867 --> 01:54:46,507
Speaker 30: Well, actually we've had some fantastic support from the Richmond

2311
01:54:46,547 --> 01:54:49,787
Speaker 30: Yacht Club members if I can give them a bit

2312
01:54:49,827 --> 01:54:52,147
Speaker 30: of a shout out. We've got Andrew Benton who lent

2313
01:54:52,307 --> 01:54:55,627
Speaker 30: us in this and helped us train. We've got Richard

2314
01:54:55,787 --> 01:54:59,107
Speaker 30: Lindbrick who helped us train on cool change his boat,

2315
01:54:59,547 --> 01:55:03,867
Speaker 30: and Tony mcloy which was on monotone and he also

2316
01:55:03,947 --> 01:55:05,307
Speaker 30: did the same. He did a lot of Richard and

2317
01:55:05,387 --> 01:55:06,307
Speaker 30: Tony did a lot of coat.

2318
01:55:06,347 --> 01:55:07,787
Speaker 7: She has spent a lot of hours with me.

2319
01:55:08,707 --> 01:55:11,267
Speaker 2: And when you get there, Andrew, will you have more

2320
01:55:11,347 --> 01:55:14,147
Speaker 2: training time? Will you get to train on the boat

2321
01:55:14,227 --> 01:55:16,187
Speaker 2: that you'll be using during racing.

2322
01:55:17,187 --> 01:55:21,427
Speaker 11: Yeah, we've we've leased an extra three days of practice

2323
01:55:21,547 --> 01:55:24,827
Speaker 11: or training time that will We'll get in there and

2324
01:55:24,867 --> 01:55:28,027
Speaker 11: they'll be fairly solid days for us went out on

2325
01:55:28,107 --> 01:55:30,267
Speaker 11: the water. Maybe maybe some nights as well.

2326
01:55:30,707 --> 01:55:33,267
Speaker 2: What are the specific challenges, Andrew, will stay with you

2327
01:55:33,467 --> 01:55:35,787
Speaker 2: of sailing a boat of this type?

2328
01:55:39,227 --> 01:55:42,187
Speaker 11: Well, I guess the big nine for us is that

2329
01:55:42,227 --> 01:55:45,547
Speaker 11: we haven't sailed one before. You know, sailing is sailing,

2330
01:55:45,627 --> 01:55:49,307
Speaker 11: but every boat has its little idiosyncrasy, So you know

2331
01:55:49,387 --> 01:55:53,067
Speaker 11: that in those three days that we're up there, we're

2332
01:55:53,107 --> 01:55:56,307
Speaker 11: going to be really trying to get to know the boats.

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01:55:56,667 --> 01:56:00,107
Speaker 11: Some of these, this particular boat was launched last November

2334
01:56:00,707 --> 01:56:04,067
Speaker 11: and some of the sailors that we're going to be

2335
01:56:04,107 --> 01:56:06,987
Speaker 11: sailing against have been sailing them so that time.

2336
01:56:08,787 --> 01:56:10,467
Speaker 2: But not you guys. So this is going to be

2337
01:56:10,987 --> 01:56:14,227
Speaker 2: not I wouldn't say a baptism of fire, Sandra necessarily,

2338
01:56:14,307 --> 01:56:17,067
Speaker 2: but I mean, do you feel as though you're you're

2339
01:56:17,147 --> 01:56:19,547
Speaker 2: in contention to well, I guess to progress through to

2340
01:56:19,627 --> 01:56:20,987
Speaker 2: the final for example.

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01:56:22,467 --> 01:56:24,427
Speaker 30: I haven't say yes, otherwise what are we going for?

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01:56:24,787 --> 01:56:25,027
Speaker 18: True?

2343
01:56:25,267 --> 01:56:29,707
Speaker 30: Yes, true, yeah, yeah, I think we've prepared enough. I

2344
01:56:29,787 --> 01:56:32,547
Speaker 30: did actually forget to mention Allen Giddy's He's also lent

2345
01:56:32,707 --> 01:56:35,147
Speaker 30: us his boat Chira. So we've had quite a bit

2346
01:56:35,227 --> 01:56:37,467
Speaker 30: of support and we've we've done as much as we

2347
01:56:37,587 --> 01:56:41,587
Speaker 30: can and hopefully we'll get to know that the asyncrasies

2348
01:56:41,627 --> 01:56:43,667
Speaker 30: of the boat up there in the three days.

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01:56:43,427 --> 01:56:45,187
Speaker 25: That we have for training only enough.

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01:56:45,907 --> 01:56:49,387
Speaker 11: We've we were just having this conversation last night, and

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01:56:50,027 --> 01:56:54,147
Speaker 11: for the time that we've had since since we were

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01:56:54,267 --> 01:56:57,027
Speaker 11: endorsed by Yachting New Zealand, we have. I think we've

2353
01:56:57,147 --> 01:57:00,267
Speaker 11: done them the most that we could possibly do. Maybe

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01:57:00,347 --> 01:57:02,987
Speaker 11: it's two things that we might change in our training,

2355
01:57:03,107 --> 01:57:06,347
Speaker 11: but you know, we we've really given it a solid

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01:57:06,627 --> 01:57:08,027
Speaker 11: push for the last three months.

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01:57:08,387 --> 01:57:11,107
Speaker 2: That's the way, Sandra. You're an experienced sailor, but as

2358
01:57:11,147 --> 01:57:12,707
Speaker 2: I understand that this has been a bit more of

2359
01:57:12,787 --> 01:57:13,667
Speaker 2: a crash course for you.

2360
01:57:13,867 --> 01:57:14,267
Speaker 4: Is that right?

2361
01:57:15,427 --> 01:57:15,947
Speaker 7: Very much so.

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01:57:16,907 --> 01:57:19,987
Speaker 30: Whilst I've been sailing for a while, I've not been

2363
01:57:20,147 --> 01:57:22,507
Speaker 30: doing a lot of double handed or two handed sailing,

2364
01:57:22,787 --> 01:57:26,547
Speaker 30: and not really in that two handed racing, which is

2365
01:57:27,147 --> 01:57:29,267
Speaker 30: and it's a it's and this the worlds are a

2366
01:57:29,547 --> 01:57:30,027
Speaker 30: level up.

2367
01:57:30,187 --> 01:57:30,347
Speaker 25: You know.

2368
01:57:31,667 --> 01:57:34,267
Speaker 30: A lot of the sailing that I do, it's it's

2369
01:57:34,387 --> 01:57:36,067
Speaker 30: nice to win or nice to be in the in

2370
01:57:36,187 --> 01:57:41,347
Speaker 30: the top play things, but it's more casual and a

2371
01:57:41,387 --> 01:57:44,147
Speaker 30: bit more fun. This is definitely a level up.

2372
01:57:44,667 --> 01:57:46,587
Speaker 2: Just so we're across the terminology and now listeners are

2373
01:57:46,627 --> 01:57:48,987
Speaker 2: clear here that when you say two handed that basically

2374
01:57:49,107 --> 01:57:50,987
Speaker 2: means just the two of you on the boat rather

2375
01:57:51,067 --> 01:57:51,747
Speaker 2: than a bigger crew.

2376
01:57:52,547 --> 01:57:56,387
Speaker 11: Yep, yeah, that's correct, And I think you know so

2377
01:57:56,507 --> 01:58:01,427
Speaker 11: that the listeners understand on fully crowed crew boats, most

2378
01:58:01,587 --> 01:58:06,547
Speaker 11: of the crew just do one job, whereas we have

2379
01:58:06,707 --> 01:58:10,827
Speaker 11: to do it all and in fact getting through to

2380
01:58:10,947 --> 01:58:20,427
Speaker 11: the final, the qualifying or the elimination race, we end

2381
01:58:20,547 --> 01:58:22,907
Speaker 11: up it's going to be like a two handed race.

2382
01:58:23,387 --> 01:58:25,667
Speaker 11: The final is a longer race, that's a forty eight

2383
01:58:25,707 --> 01:58:29,467
Speaker 11: hour race, and it becomes like a solo tag team

2384
01:58:29,507 --> 01:58:31,787
Speaker 11: when you're sailing, so basically a lot of the time

2385
01:58:31,827 --> 01:58:33,107
Speaker 11: you're staying the boat by yourself.

2386
01:58:33,547 --> 01:58:35,027
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was going to say forty eight hours. Yeah,

2387
01:58:35,027 --> 01:58:37,467
Speaker 2: so what you just so you just take turns and

2388
01:58:37,507 --> 01:58:39,067
Speaker 2: the other one tries to get up asleep. Is that

2389
01:58:39,107 --> 01:58:39,547
Speaker 2: how it works?

2390
01:58:39,867 --> 01:58:41,747
Speaker 4: You need got to have a kip at some stage.

2391
01:58:42,227 --> 01:58:46,107
Speaker 30: Indeed, indeed, even the twelve hour race is looking like

2392
01:58:46,227 --> 01:58:49,107
Speaker 30: it's going to be about an eighteen nineteen hour race

2393
01:58:49,187 --> 01:58:52,387
Speaker 30: because they're going to start us. It's one hundred nautical miles,

2394
01:58:52,507 --> 01:58:55,827
Speaker 30: so it's likely to be a lot longer than twelve hours.

2395
01:58:57,867 --> 01:59:00,347
Speaker 2: It just seems like such a brilliant challenge. As you're

2396
01:59:00,347 --> 01:59:02,107
Speaker 2: saying the way you've outlined it. There you just but

2397
01:59:02,307 --> 01:59:05,107
Speaker 2: the two of you together for some times and by

2398
01:59:05,187 --> 01:59:08,627
Speaker 2: yourselves for others. Have basically sail the thing by yourselves.

2399
01:59:08,747 --> 01:59:11,187
Speaker 2: That's how it works pretty much.

2400
01:59:11,387 --> 01:59:13,747
Speaker 11: Yes, going to be pretty disciplined in what you're doing,

2401
01:59:13,947 --> 01:59:14,667
Speaker 11: and they're out.

2402
01:59:14,627 --> 01:59:18,107
Speaker 2: There understand you're also using this campaign to launch out

2403
01:59:18,267 --> 01:59:20,907
Speaker 2: sale IQ Racing. Andrew tell us about that.

2404
01:59:21,987 --> 01:59:25,107
Speaker 11: Yep, we we've It's been a dream of mine for

2405
01:59:25,187 --> 01:59:28,947
Speaker 11: a while, but we put put the team together, started

2406
01:59:28,987 --> 01:59:30,387
Speaker 11: to think about it and put the team together a

2407
01:59:30,427 --> 01:59:36,147
Speaker 11: little while ago. Where where we've been focusing on a

2408
01:59:36,467 --> 01:59:39,467
Speaker 11: canton keel thirty eight foot that we can we can

2409
01:59:39,627 --> 01:59:42,947
Speaker 11: use in a lot of international offsure rationing. That's that's

2410
01:59:43,027 --> 01:59:45,987
Speaker 11: in build at the moment and we're just working away

2411
01:59:46,027 --> 01:59:48,307
Speaker 11: through to some other sailing after this as well.

2412
01:59:48,747 --> 01:59:49,467
Speaker 2: Yeah, what what is?

2413
01:59:49,707 --> 01:59:49,747
Speaker 10: So?

2414
01:59:49,907 --> 01:59:50,667
Speaker 2: What is beyond this?

2415
01:59:50,827 --> 01:59:51,267
Speaker 10: Have you have?

2416
01:59:51,347 --> 01:59:54,947
Speaker 2: You got your sights set on on similar races in

2417
01:59:54,987 --> 01:59:56,987
Speaker 2: the future or maybe slightly different ones. I saw the

2418
01:59:57,027 --> 02:00:00,467
Speaker 2: Sydney Hobart perhaps mentioned as a as an ambition, a

2419
02:00:00,547 --> 02:00:01,667
Speaker 2: lifelong ambition for you.

2420
02:00:02,667 --> 02:00:05,027
Speaker 11: I've been Yeah, I've had a I've had a crack

2421
02:00:05,067 --> 02:00:08,947
Speaker 11: at it with some Australian crew and we didn't finish.

2422
02:00:10,147 --> 02:00:12,667
Speaker 11: So yes, that's that's on my bucket list to take off.

2423
02:00:14,107 --> 02:00:18,467
Speaker 11: Also on the bucket lists is to do the I've

2424
02:00:18,507 --> 02:00:20,867
Speaker 11: been a solo sailor for for a number of years

2425
02:00:21,067 --> 02:00:23,187
Speaker 11: and to do the solo trans Tasment.

2426
02:00:23,747 --> 02:00:24,827
Speaker 4: I'd really like to do that.

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02:00:25,187 --> 02:00:25,587
Speaker 16: Amazing.

2428
02:00:25,907 --> 02:00:27,707
Speaker 2: Sandra is it crewe that the two of you met

2429
02:00:27,827 --> 02:00:32,707
Speaker 2: on a boat. Yes, very much, So you got to

2430
02:00:32,707 --> 02:00:33,467
Speaker 2: tell us that story.

2431
02:00:35,267 --> 02:00:38,307
Speaker 30: Well it was, it was well, it was six six

2432
02:00:38,387 --> 02:00:41,507
Speaker 30: and a half years ago now and a friend of mine,

2433
02:00:41,747 --> 02:00:45,947
Speaker 30: another Andrew, He had a boat, beautiful boat called Margaritaville,

2434
02:00:46,547 --> 02:00:48,547
Speaker 30: and he caught up with me and said, why don't

2435
02:00:48,547 --> 02:00:50,147
Speaker 30: you come out for a bit of bit of sailing,

2436
02:00:50,227 --> 02:00:51,627
Speaker 30: And I thought, oh, that sounds lovely.

2437
02:00:51,747 --> 02:00:53,307
Speaker 11: It's sort of like I had.

2438
02:00:53,307 --> 02:00:58,067
Speaker 30: Visions of swaning around with the chardonnais and enjoying myself.

2439
02:00:59,947 --> 02:01:02,107
Speaker 30: Didn't quite work out that way. The racing side of

2440
02:01:02,147 --> 02:01:05,267
Speaker 30: it's a little bit more physical than I expected. But

2441
02:01:05,627 --> 02:01:08,627
Speaker 30: one of the evening and Andrew came on the boat

2442
02:01:08,747 --> 02:01:11,027
Speaker 30: and I thought he was on the main sheet, and

2443
02:01:11,067 --> 02:01:13,627
Speaker 30: he was pretty clever, and I was amazed at how

2444
02:01:13,707 --> 02:01:16,427
Speaker 30: well he could read the wind, and I thought he

2445
02:01:16,507 --> 02:01:20,587
Speaker 30: had some sort of special powers. And he had very

2446
02:01:20,707 --> 02:01:22,747
Speaker 30: nice eyes. He still has nice eyes, so.

2447
02:01:24,707 --> 02:01:25,027
Speaker 11: I think.

2448
02:01:26,147 --> 02:01:27,947
Speaker 30: Then he jumped off the boat, so I thought, well

2449
02:01:27,987 --> 02:01:30,907
Speaker 30: that was a quick introduction and a goodbye. And then

2450
02:01:31,347 --> 02:01:33,507
Speaker 30: a couple of weeks later he was back on the boat.

2451
02:01:34,067 --> 02:01:37,787
Speaker 30: And then after that we had a drink after the race,

2452
02:01:37,907 --> 02:01:41,267
Speaker 30: and then that was it. Really we've sort of been

2453
02:01:42,347 --> 02:01:43,187
Speaker 30: together ever since.

2454
02:01:43,347 --> 02:01:43,787
Speaker 16: I love that.

2455
02:01:44,027 --> 02:01:44,947
Speaker 2: What a great story.

2456
02:01:45,107 --> 02:01:45,547
Speaker 23: I love that.

2457
02:01:46,147 --> 02:01:49,347
Speaker 2: See, I don't know whether my marriage would survive the

2458
02:01:49,947 --> 02:01:52,187
Speaker 2: type of thing that you guys are about to embark on.

2459
02:01:52,627 --> 02:01:54,987
Speaker 2: What is the on water relationship like? Does it ever

2460
02:01:55,027 --> 02:01:57,307
Speaker 2: get tested or are you just well aware of what

2461
02:01:57,427 --> 02:02:00,747
Speaker 2: you both need to do inside this sailing relationship and

2462
02:02:00,867 --> 02:02:02,387
Speaker 2: your relationship in general.

2463
02:02:03,147 --> 02:02:05,707
Speaker 11: At point we'll tell you when we get back.

2464
02:02:07,987 --> 02:02:09,947
Speaker 2: It'll be a good test for you both. That'd be great.

2465
02:02:10,627 --> 02:02:11,187
Speaker 5: It's fair to.

2466
02:02:11,187 --> 02:02:13,027
Speaker 30: Say that there is a bit of yelling at times,

2467
02:02:13,107 --> 02:02:15,547
Speaker 30: and there's a bit of backwards and forwards, but mostly

2468
02:02:15,947 --> 02:02:18,107
Speaker 30: once we walk off the boat, it stays on the boat.

2469
02:02:18,627 --> 02:02:18,827
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2470
02:02:19,227 --> 02:02:22,627
Speaker 11: In fact, we were doing a training training session out

2471
02:02:22,667 --> 02:02:26,227
Speaker 11: around the Hurreka golf at night and we had some

2472
02:02:27,067 --> 02:02:30,627
Speaker 11: guys ghosting us around in another boat, and we must

2473
02:02:30,667 --> 02:02:32,627
Speaker 11: have thought around one of the one of the turning

2474
02:02:32,707 --> 02:02:34,427
Speaker 11: points around one of the islands, they must have thought

2475
02:02:34,427 --> 02:02:34,667
Speaker 11: we were.

2476
02:02:34,627 --> 02:02:35,347
Speaker 25: Going to kill each other.

2477
02:02:35,987 --> 02:02:38,587
Speaker 11: But you know, so we can be a little bit

2478
02:02:38,667 --> 02:02:41,467
Speaker 11: passionate from time to time about what's going on on

2479
02:02:41,547 --> 02:02:41,867
Speaker 11: the boat.

2480
02:02:42,107 --> 02:02:42,467
Speaker 16: Amazing.

2481
02:02:42,547 --> 02:02:44,227
Speaker 2: Well, I know it's all coming from a good place.

2482
02:02:44,387 --> 02:02:47,187
Speaker 2: And look, we just can't wait to see how you

2483
02:02:47,307 --> 02:02:50,107
Speaker 2: go over there. Very exciting for you and in the

2484
02:02:50,147 --> 02:02:53,027
Speaker 2: start of what hopefully for sari Q Rayson will be

2485
02:02:53,307 --> 02:02:57,267
Speaker 2: a long and illustrious future and Sandra a delight to

2486
02:02:57,307 --> 02:02:59,427
Speaker 2: talk to you both all the best. We can't wait

2487
02:02:59,467 --> 02:03:00,387
Speaker 2: to see how it goes for you.

2488
02:03:00,747 --> 02:03:01,907
Speaker 11: Thanks Brain, Thanks a lot.

2489
02:03:02,147 --> 02:03:04,547
Speaker 2: That's Andrew Hall and Sandra Bees one of two New

2490
02:03:04,627 --> 02:03:08,387
Speaker 2: Zealand crews about to test the Offshore Double Handed World

2491
02:03:08,467 --> 02:03:12,667
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