1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,720 Speaker 1: Great story for you from behind the scenes of trying 2 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:05,160 Speaker 1: to crack it as a professional motorsport driver. Nineteen year 3 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:08,239 Speaker 1: old Kiwi lilliam Skeets trying to make his dream come true. 4 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 1: He's aiming to be an indie car driver. He's currently 5 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: competing in Indy next with AHMD Motorsports. He needs to 6 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: raise one point two million I'll repeat that, one point 7 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 1: two million US to be able to compete in all 8 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: twelve rounds of the season. He's currently got a three 9 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: deal event or a three event deal. Needs to secure 10 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: more funding and sponsors, which obviously becomes easier the better 11 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: he does. Anyway, let's get the catch up here. Lilliam 12 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: Skeets is with us from Indianapolis. Morning to you. 13 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 2: Good morning, Mike. 14 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: Are you doing very well? Indeed, just bring us up 15 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 1: to speed on where you're at in this wonderful life 16 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:41,199 Speaker 1: of yours. Saint Petersburg looked good, didn't end up particularly well. 17 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: So that's race one so far. You've got a couple 18 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: of events coming up. Have I got that about right? 19 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 2: Yes? 20 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 3: Yes, I'm currently in Indianapolis over here in the States 21 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 3: and have a race in Alabama this weekend and Indianapolis 22 00:00:55,240 --> 00:01:00,280 Speaker 3: next weekend for a doubleheader Florida. Was not the result, 23 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 3: but very promising signs there, so looking to carry that forward. 24 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 1: Indeed, so let's just go through Florida just briefly. You 25 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 1: qualified fifth, you ended up eighteenth. When you qualified fifth, 26 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:11,400 Speaker 1: you were behind the wheel, you were, you know, following 27 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:12,960 Speaker 1: living your dream. Did it feel good? 28 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 2: Yes, of course it felt good. 29 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 3: Saint Peter's a street circuit, so to have a debut there, 30 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 3: you know, it was, to be honest, kind of sort 31 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 3: of daunting. 32 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 2: But we were fast. 33 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 3: And I managed to get to grips all it quickly. 34 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:29,039 Speaker 3: And last year on my debut and Formula three, I 35 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:30,839 Speaker 3: got on the podium there, so I knew I could 36 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 3: could be strong there. And yeah, we showed, we showed 37 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 3: our strong pace and qualifying with third and group fifth. Overall, yeah, 38 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 3: it's a shame with what happened happened in the race 39 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 3: on the opening lap. But you know that, you see that, 40 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:45,960 Speaker 3: you say that all the time in modor sport. 41 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 1: What's your assessment of your prospects for this weekend in Alabama. 42 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 3: I'm confident, as I said at Saint Petersburg, not only 43 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 3: that through the four tests we've had so far, this 44 00:01:57,360 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 3: year and their back into last year. I've been been far, 45 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 3: have been in the top six and as a Rockie, 46 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 3: one of the leading leading rookies. 47 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 2: So I'm confident. Barber is a. 48 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 3: High downforce, high risk slash reward track, which makes it 49 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 3: obviously tricky. And then the weather also looks a bit undecided. 50 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm really excited to get there and prove 51 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:22,839 Speaker 3: what I've got. 52 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 1: And then you get to Indianapolis. You've got a double 53 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:27,959 Speaker 1: headed there and this is where your deal sort of 54 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 1: runs out. And this is sort of the point of 55 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: this interview. I guess how much pressure sits on your 56 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: shoulders knowing there's for now anyway a kind of an endpoint. 57 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 3: Yes, it's there's a lot of pressure, but this is 58 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 3: not the first time and it won't be the last. 59 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 3: I think, well, last year my season race was raced 60 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 3: by race and turned up to the to the racetrack 61 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 3: after flying over from New Zealand, thinking it might be 62 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 3: my last time here, my last crack headed. So every 63 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 3: weekend for me is make or break and I realize this, 64 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 3: and I realized that I just need to jump on 65 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 3: the car and do the best I possibly can and 66 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:07,920 Speaker 3: bring results. Really and perform in order to grant that 67 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 3: further support. 68 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 1: Is it that simple? If you do well, money will follow. 69 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 2: It's not. It's certainly not. 70 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 3: I wish it definitely does help when you're when you're 71 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 3: a winner, support. 72 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 2: Comes to you more easily. 73 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 3: But yeah, for me, largely it comes from hustling and 74 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:30,920 Speaker 3: doing the groundwork, which I've been doing over in New 75 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 3: Zealand soil for the last six months of my New 76 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 3: Zealand summer to have a crack in Indy next this 77 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 3: year on the doorstep of IndyCar By. Yeah, doing as 78 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 3: much as I can, talking to people and meeting with 79 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 3: people to rally more support. 80 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 1: Is there good will around it? I mean when you 81 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: talk to people, do they want to help? In general? 82 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, there are so many generous people out there 83 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 3: in New Zealand and I have such great support currently 84 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 3: behind me and then Tony Quinn, Founday, James Koccatrick Group, JFC, 85 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 3: Omega Rental Cars, Go Media and so many more. So yeah, 86 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 3: these people really want to help and see I guess 87 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 3: the Kiwi of the next generation to be on the 88 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 3: world stage and follow the career of Scott Dixon. Really so, 89 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 3: I've been very lucky to this point in my career. 90 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 1: I suppose, given you've been in it, since you're like 91 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 1: everybody in carts, you know how the system works. But 92 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 1: it is a funny sport, isn't it That In most sports, 93 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: talent will get you to a place. Motorsport's not like that. 94 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 1: Talent will only get you so far, and you need 95 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 1: help from then on, en, don't you. 96 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, motorsport is very different in the sense as you 97 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 3: said that it doesn't only require talent and skill, but talent, 98 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 3: skill and finance funding behind you. 99 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 2: So yeah, brings in a new dynamic where you know, 100 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:53,280 Speaker 2: you not only have. 101 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 3: To perform on track, but also off track with raising sponsorship, 102 00:04:57,480 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 3: investment and getting those people behind you so you can 103 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 3: and continue to fuel fuel your racing. And that's exactly 104 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:05,280 Speaker 3: what I what I have to do. Coming from little 105 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 3: old New Zealand. 106 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:09,840 Speaker 1: Listen, Greg Murphy said, I thought something really interesting the 107 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 1: other day. He said, with as regards Liam and ef one, 108 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 1: what Pastre has is Mark Webber. He's got somebody sitting 109 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 1: next to him who's got experience, had racecraft, all of 110 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 1: those sort of things, and that's the sort of help 111 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: Liam needs. Do you have around you people who are helping, 112 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:25,840 Speaker 1: who can give you the advice you need. 113 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:28,719 Speaker 3: Yes, I'm very fortunate to have many people, as I 114 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 3: mentioned the partners earlier who surrounded me. Of course, my 115 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:36,599 Speaker 3: family big supporters behind me and my management includes Steve Horn, 116 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 3: Mark Pilcher and Shane mcconnically and countless other mentors like 117 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:47,039 Speaker 3: Greg Murphy himself and Paul Radisich Oh and Evans Staniel 118 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 3: Gallant who are all behind me and really backing me 119 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 3: on this journey. 120 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 1: Liam. This cold calling is that true? You literally cold 121 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 1: call to raise money? 122 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 2: Yes, it is. 123 00:05:57,560 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 3: It's just something I have to do. It's part of 124 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 3: the job as a as a racing car driver. Yeah, 125 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 3: I mean to be honest with you, Mike, I love 126 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 3: the process of it. 127 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 2: Now. 128 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 3: I've had to learn to love it in order to 129 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:10,559 Speaker 3: keep my bomb and the sea and behind the wheel. 130 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 3: I'm not sure if the people on the receiving end 131 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 3: always appreciate it and. 132 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 2: Love it. But yeah, as I said, I just have to. 133 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 2: I have to do it. So yeah, it's kind of 134 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 2: a new new passion of mine. 135 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:24,840 Speaker 1: How do you sell yourself? You go, Hi, it's Liam. 136 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 1: Do you have to explain what you do? How you 137 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 1: do it? The importance of it where it could lead. 138 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: What do you do? 139 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the selling point I have is, yeah, 140 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:36,480 Speaker 3: I want to be that next Kiwi of the next 141 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 3: generation to achieve what Scott Dixon has. Now He's a 142 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 3: prime example of someone who was just a young feller 143 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 3: in New Zealand with the talent and the potential to 144 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:52,480 Speaker 3: make it big, and through rallying investors and sponsors behind him, 145 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:55,159 Speaker 3: he managed to go to the US and the rest 146 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:57,480 Speaker 3: is history. And now those people behind are really reaping 147 00:06:57,480 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 3: the benefit, you know, of of a journey they were 148 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:03,279 Speaker 3: part of, and of course the payback through the investment scheme. 149 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 3: So I mean, I'm just using that as as a 150 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 3: prime example and trying to find my own people to 151 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 3: get behind me and enjoy a journey and be a 152 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 3: part of be a part of something special to be 153 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 3: I truly believe that I have what it takes and 154 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 3: can be that that next Kiwi achieving huge success in 155 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 3: the world stage. 156 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 2: So yeah, that's that's that's the selling. 157 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: Because of course you mentioned Dixon, there's McLaughlin and Armstrong 158 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: as well, and does that that that does help? I 159 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 1: take it because I mean in terms of pound for pound, 160 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: New Zealand boxes so far above its weight in the 161 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 1: sort of area, doesn't it. 162 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 3: Yes, it's it's huge having Scott, Marcus and and Dixon 163 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 3: as well over there paving the way for a young Kiwi. 164 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 3: Not just me, There are so many of us who 165 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 3: you know, look up to those guys, are inspired by 166 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 3: them and aspire to be to be in their shoes 167 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 3: one day. Yes, Scott as I mentioned as a prime example, uh, 168 00:07:57,600 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 3: and point of inspiration for me as he you know, 169 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 3: he he's doing exactly what I'm having to do, hustle 170 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 3: to have the opportunity on track and then prove themselves. 171 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 3: So yeah, very lucky to have those guys look up 172 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 3: to over here. 173 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 1: Is it an incentive for you? Because you're mixing in 174 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 1: a field of extremely wealthy, successful people, So in other words, 175 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 1: if you do well, you can have your own plane 176 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: and houses and all. Does that incentivize you or it's 177 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: not your thing? 178 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 2: No, it doesn't incentivize me. 179 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 3: I mean my goal is to just whin the Indy 180 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 3: five hundred, win an Indy car and the long term 181 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 3: potentially look at Formula One. 182 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. 183 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:39,839 Speaker 3: I'm a racing card over That's all I care about 184 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 3: is the racing and for the moment the short term, 185 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 3: I'm all focused on getting to Barber, getting to Indy 186 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:49,559 Speaker 3: in a couple of weeks time, and doing enough to 187 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 3: keep in the car and keep having a crack. 188 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 1: And having followed you and look, you know in eighty 189 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 1: six is and Formula forwards and you know obviously at 190 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 1: the start carts and stuff. What's the step up being 191 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 1: like into what you're driving now? 192 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been yeah, many steps along the way Saturday 193 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 3: go karts a six years old to Formula Forward, to 194 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:12,679 Speaker 3: the Toyota Racing Series where I managed to win the 195 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 3: New Zealand Grand Prix, to racing and Formula three in 196 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 3: Japan in America. Yeah, I think the New Zealand Grand 197 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 3: Prix was the breakthrough for me, and that has gave 198 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 3: me the opportunity last year to step over here to 199 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:29,440 Speaker 3: the US and have a crack on the road to 200 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 3: IndyCar scene. So yeah, I mean all of that racing 201 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 3: wouldn't have been possible without these people. But pick people 202 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 3: behind me. I think I've raised just over a million 203 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 3: dollars in sponsorship and investments since twenty twenty two, which 204 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 3: was when I hopped out of go karts at fifteen 205 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:46,320 Speaker 3: years old. 206 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 2: So yeah, a lot has gone into a boat on 207 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 2: and off track. 208 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 1: That's not bad. Is it true you're sleeping on a couch. 209 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 1: That cannot be true. 210 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, it is true. I'm sleeping on the couch 211 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 3: too of Kiwi mates over here. Yeah, I'm as I said, 212 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 3: I'm raced by race. I fly in and out in 213 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 3: New Zealand for the test last week. I was severely 214 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 3: jet lad because I flew less than flew into America 215 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 3: less than twenty four hours before being out on track. 216 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 2: But yeah, that's just the reality of my situation. 217 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:19,680 Speaker 3: I enjoy, I can find the fun in it. But yes, 218 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 3: that is true. I'm I'm sleeping on the couches preparation 219 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 3: for barber this weekend. 220 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: Jeez, that's dedication. We'll go well this weekend in Alabama, 221 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 1: also in India in a couple of weeks. Time. Good 222 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: to catch up with you. 223 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Mike. 224 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:32,680 Speaker 1: There we go. Nice guy, isn't he? Lilliam s keis Mike. 225 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 1: If I'm got a call from Liam, I donate. Keep 226 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: the hustle going, young men, your country is behind you. 227 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: Good on your mind for giving these young drivers like 228 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:42,439 Speaker 1: Liam's more exposure your platform and audience is perfect. Thank 229 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:44,839 Speaker 1: you from an old retired amateur racer. Reminds me of 230 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 1: an interview I saw once upon a time. Actually played 231 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: with Mark Brown. If you remember the name Mike Brown 232 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: and golf. He was one of those guys who sort 233 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:55,079 Speaker 1: of battled on a circuit. At the time I played 234 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 1: with him, he was battling across Canada. And the thing 235 00:10:58,559 --> 00:10:59,959 Speaker 1: about it was, and I'll get back to Michael camp 236 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:01,679 Speaker 1: in a moment, but the thing about Mark Browns there 237 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:03,679 Speaker 1: was about four or five of them and they didn't 238 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 1: have enough money. So they pulled their money and they 239 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: rented a car together and they did the tour from 240 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:12,439 Speaker 1: West Coast to East Coast, staying at the Motel six's. 241 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 1: Where they couldn't afford the motel, they'd stay in the car. 242 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:17,559 Speaker 1: And so the idea was that they'd win enough money 243 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 1: to afford the rental car, to afford the Motel six 244 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:22,199 Speaker 1: to maybe one day win something to get real money, 245 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 1: to find real planes to go to real places. And 246 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 1: when Michael Campbell won big, he said, the great revelation 247 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: for him was that the better you get, the easier 248 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 1: it becomes, because of course, suddenly you're not renting cars, 249 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 1: you're flying in planes, and then you're at the front 250 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:38,559 Speaker 1: of the plane, and then you got your own plane, 251 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 1: and you're not at Motel six ye or at any 252 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:42,719 Speaker 1: hotel you like, and then you're at an Airbnb, and 253 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: so it goes. So sleeping on a couch having flown 254 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 1: in from New Zealand being jet lagged, to then jump 255 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 1: in an indie car is quite the thing, isn't it. 256 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: You're going to be determined to succeed. For more from 257 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 1: the Mike Asking Breakfast, listen live to news talks. It'd 258 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 1: be from six am weekdays, or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.