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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Team podcast

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Speaker 1: from News Talks at b and Now.

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Speaker 2: Sustainability commentator Kate Hall is leaning in to Spring kind

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Speaker 2: of starting tomorrow with some tips this morning on sustainable

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Speaker 2: spring cleaning. Calder Kad, Good morning. Yeah, it's funny a see.

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Speaker 2: I cleaning is one of those things where I think

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Speaker 2: a lot of us who want to be a bit

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Speaker 2: more sustainable and you know, be a bit more thoughtful

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Speaker 2: in the way we're using products and things, sometimes we

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Speaker 2: are less willing to make sacrifices or compromises on this

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Speaker 2: front because we feel like, you know, being sustainable and

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Speaker 2: cleaning means that maybe you're not cleaning stuff super well.

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Speaker 2: Is that a vibe that you get from people that

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Speaker 2: you know, it's not terribly hygienic to to not use

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Speaker 2: really powerful chemicals and that kind of thing.

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Speaker 3: Totally, it is a vibe I get some people, But

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Speaker 3: it is absolutely a myth that I like to often

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Speaker 3: bust because it's totally not It's totally not true. You know,

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Speaker 3: we can efficiently clean our spaces with really simple products

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Speaker 3: that are much better for our bodies, you know, in

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Speaker 3: contact with all the different services, and better for the environment,

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Speaker 3: and like this is coming from me as a person

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Speaker 3: who like, I'm one of those nerds. I like to

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Speaker 3: kind of compare myself to Monika from Friends, you know,

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Speaker 3: the TV show, who you know she enjoys cleaning up

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Speaker 3: after a party more than the actual party itself. So

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Speaker 3: I love cleaning, and I you know, I hold quite

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Speaker 3: high hygiene standards in my life. Yeah, and so you know,

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Speaker 3: like yeah, so for me, I kind of that's something

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Speaker 3: I won't compromise on because I think, you know, sustainability

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Speaker 3: is also about hygiene and having you know, sustainable kind

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Speaker 3: of cleaning practices. It wouldn't work if we weren't actually

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Speaker 3: cleaning this stuff, you know, if we were using environmentally

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Speaker 3: friendly products but actually having you know, a dirty home

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Speaker 3: that made us small stick or something.

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Speaker 2: So to convince me, because I'll be honest, I'm kind

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Speaker 2: of anal with that sort of thing as well, Like

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Speaker 2: convince me, right, my for whatever reason, there is just

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Speaker 2: this little like nugget in my brain that won't disappear

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Speaker 2: that says to me, I need to have like something

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Speaker 2: incredibly powerful and toxic in order to kill all of

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Speaker 2: the germs at my home. And if I'm going to

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Speaker 2: be spraying and wiping stuff. I want to have like

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Speaker 2: a product that's going to burn through that you know,

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Speaker 2: that that benchtop or that surface.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean firstly for your house, there's something

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Speaker 3: if you're using something and spraying it, you know, even

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Speaker 3: the act of spraying it and sometimes you know kind

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Speaker 3: of air it's kind of everywhere. If that product is

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Speaker 3: gonna you know, burn the services, burn the germs, and

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Speaker 3: you're inhalingo it, that's that is I mean for me,

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Speaker 3: that's like one of my initial kind of draw cards

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Speaker 3: that drew me to some more sustainable cleaning products is

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Speaker 3: I'm my body is going to be safer. So if

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Speaker 3: you're covering your house and you're trying to like kill

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Speaker 3: these germs in a really you know, toxic kind of way, which,

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Speaker 3: to be honest, if you actually question, you know, why

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Speaker 3: do I think I need these toxic things? You probably

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Speaker 3: actually if you were to go down that rabbit hole,

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Speaker 3: it would all go back to marketing. You've been you've

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Speaker 3: been sold this particular product that you know kills germs,

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Speaker 3: and you read the ingredients or so you can't read

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Speaker 3: the ingredients because you know it's a whole bunch of listen,

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Speaker 3: list of all these all these items that yeah, can

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Speaker 3: be casinogenic, you know, like literally a so toxic for

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Speaker 3: our bodies. So the simple like we've been cleaning with

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Speaker 3: simple ingredients like vinegar, baking somewhere, using the sunshine, you know,

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Speaker 3: like lemon juice to clean up our stainless steel. We've

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Speaker 3: been doing this for years and years and years and

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Speaker 3: years and years, decades, hundreds of years, you know, and

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Speaker 3: it still works. It often actually works even better because

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Speaker 3: you're using something simple. It's often just one or two

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Speaker 3: ingredients you can trace back to like much better where

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Speaker 3: they're sourced, yeah, what things are made from, and it

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Speaker 3: gets the job done. Like literally, I have done different

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Speaker 3: kind of comparisons and test especially because I've been house sitting,

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Speaker 3: I've had more accessibility to kind of the mainstream cleaning

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Speaker 3: products that I haven't put it just for a few years,

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Speaker 3: and and you can actually see that the sustainable ones

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Speaker 3: that is just much much better. My honestly, my favorite

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Speaker 3: product is it's a cleaning past, so you're kind of

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Speaker 3: equivalent of the sustainable jiff. I think everyone kind of has,

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Speaker 3: you know, is a classic tough on.

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Speaker 2: Grime on those things.

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Speaker 3: But I have not bought Jiff in my adult life,

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Speaker 3: so you know, probably never in my life, and said,

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Speaker 3: I use a mixture of Casteele soap, baking soda, and

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Speaker 3: sometimes a little bit of like essential oil just to

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Speaker 3: make it like the smell of it mint tea. And

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Speaker 3: it's brilliant, like actually brilliant and actually work. So I

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Speaker 3: think everyone at this at the you know, right now,

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Speaker 3: they're like, oh, the weather's warming up. I'm going to

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Speaker 3: do a spring clean. So it's important to think about

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Speaker 3: what you're using and go into that spring clean thinking, Okay,

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Speaker 3: how can I do this the most sustanable way, not

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Speaker 3: just the cleaning products I'm using, but also you know,

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Speaker 3: not just throwing things out actually really mind talk.

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Speaker 2: To us about that. But so instead of using like

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Speaker 2: single used cloth, what do you use?

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Speaker 3: So I use costs that I just wash and wash

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Speaker 3: and wash over again, especially when spring cleaning and you're

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Speaker 3: doing kind of really getting in the growths. You know,

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Speaker 3: you can use like old T shirts, you can cut

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Speaker 3: up mainly a lot of most of my coths just

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Speaker 3: cotton and can go on the compost if they disintegrate.

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Speaker 3: A lot of my class actually hands knit by my

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Speaker 3: late grandmother or my mother in law. So basically probably

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Speaker 3: brilliant that they last a long time, but again can

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Speaker 3: go on the composts once they have done their dash.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, one of the key things against we've talked about.

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Speaker 3: You know you're wanting to clean stuff, but you're also

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Speaker 3: often wanting to tidy stuff and get rid of things.

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Speaker 3: And you know there may be a whole bunch of

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Speaker 3: winter clothes that you thought you would wear and you're going, oh, well,

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Speaker 3: I should you know, probably donate those being really mindful

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Speaker 3: about not dumping a whole lot of broken, dirty stuff

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Speaker 3: at second hand shops. You know, they spend millions of

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Speaker 3: dollars a year on landfill fees because people just we

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Speaker 3: It's actually quite horrific. And their winter clothes now, yes,

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Speaker 3: and people get their windor clothes now, and they don't

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Speaker 3: have huge storage spain just do all this stuff, and

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Speaker 3: so it is really a big burden for them because

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Speaker 3: they're likely not going to sell that and it's just

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Speaker 3: gonna potentially just get dirty, become potentially unwearable wherever they're

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Speaker 3: going to try to store it, or they may not

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Speaker 3: sick and handshots, which I see often. It's really yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's really sad. People think they're doing good thing and

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Speaker 3: they like to feel good about, you know, donating the

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Speaker 3: staff to someone else. That really most of it will

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Speaker 3: end up in rubbish if you don't.

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Speaker 2: And one of your top carefully one of your top

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Speaker 2: tips for if you go through your spring clean is

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Speaker 2: to then if you're getting rid of heaps of stuff

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Speaker 2: and you're clearing out a bit of space, is not

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Speaker 2: to then fill that space with new stuff.

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Speaker 3: Yes, oh my goodness. I mean ideally we wouldn't you know,

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Speaker 3: but actually our spring clean would just be cleaning, you know.

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Speaker 3: It wouldn't actually involve the kind of big, deep, okay,

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Speaker 3: let's put out the cupboards, let's get rid of all

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Speaker 3: this stuff. It wouldn't involve that because we would have

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Speaker 3: been more thoughtful about what's coming in. We want need

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Speaker 3: to throw out a whole bunch of stuff every year,

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Speaker 3: which I see most families do, and so that needs

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Speaker 3: for so it is totally about thinking, Okay, now I've

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Speaker 3: I've done this. Actually that was a huge job that

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Speaker 3: took a lot of time and energy and mental capacity.

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Speaker 3: How can I make sure that my spring clean next

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Speaker 3: year is actually just me wiping down systems?

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 3: How can I make sure that I'm not feeling like

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Speaker 3: I have to fill big rubbish bags again of stuff

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Speaker 3: that actually haven't you know, brought me joy or how

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Speaker 3: to purpose in my life? And that involves a lot

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Speaker 3: of self control, a lot of awareness that marketing, you know,

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Speaker 3: is clever and pulled on all of our wants and design.

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Speaker 3: That's yeah, if we were all just a bit more mindful,

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Speaker 3: we wouldn't be filling up shops for a whole of broken, dirty,

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Speaker 3: you know, unwanted stuff that actually have a better stick

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Speaker 3: in hand economy. And yeah, the environment would be much

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Speaker 3: happier for it, so would.

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Speaker 2: Be Yeah, very good, well said, thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: Kate really appreciate it. That is Kate all our sustainability commentator.

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Speaker 2: ethically Kate.

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