1
00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,760
Speaker 1: Chinese retailers like Timu and Sheen. If you've used these before,

2
00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:06,280
Speaker 1: they could be looking to step up their influence here

3
00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:08,640
Speaker 1: in New Zealand. This, of course, after Trumps put one

4
00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:11,680
Speaker 1: hundred and forty five percent tariff rate on China, the

5
00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:14,440
Speaker 1: e commerce giants now will have excess stock. Where does

6
00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:18,080
Speaker 1: it go potentially to us? So will we get cheaper stuff?

7
00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:19,919
Speaker 1: Is that a good thing? Kate Haul's the founder of

8
00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:24,680
Speaker 1: Ethically Kate Kate Good afternoon or good evening, Hello, good evening.

9
00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:26,319
Speaker 1: Good to have you on the show. So you won't

10
00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:28,880
Speaker 1: like this because it's a whole bunch of cheap plastic

11
00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:30,880
Speaker 1: stuff basically that will come our way.

12
00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:34,440
Speaker 2: Yes, And to be honest, it has already been coming

13
00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:38,320
Speaker 2: our way all different people in different social circles. A

14
00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:42,080
Speaker 2: lot of people I know have already been consumers of Timu.

15
00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:44,560
Speaker 2: And yeah, unfortunately, I think it's just going to get worse.

16
00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:47,199
Speaker 1: Do you think? Because I was thinking about you the

17
00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:50,200
Speaker 1: other day, if we're not going to know if trade

18
00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:53,120
Speaker 1: world global trade was going to fall apart, I was like,

19
00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:56,480
Speaker 1: what would I actually what do I own that would

20
00:00:56,600 --> 00:01:00,080
Speaker 1: last a lifetime? I couldn't. There was a pair of

21
00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:03,800
Speaker 1: leather boots. But these days, no one has anything that

22
00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:06,720
Speaker 1: will last a lifetime, apart from maybe jewelry and you know,

23
00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:07,600
Speaker 1: one pair of shoes.

24
00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:11,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're so right. And I'd say most

25
00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:15,360
Speaker 2: purchases I've heard from people who've purchased from Timu don't last.

26
00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:18,000
Speaker 2: It just turns into rubbish that they then need to

27
00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:21,560
Speaker 2: dispose of. And we would do totally fine if we

28
00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:26,160
Speaker 2: didn't have availability to Temu. I think most purchases people

29
00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:28,679
Speaker 2: make on there. You look at all the different gadgets

30
00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:31,680
Speaker 2: and the different types of things that are just ridiculous.

31
00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:35,840
Speaker 2: We don't need. We've lived centuries without, so we can

32
00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:36,840
Speaker 2: go back to basics.

33
00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:38,920
Speaker 1: How many do you think, like, if you've got something

34
00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:41,160
Speaker 1: that's really good, do you reckon? You could do your

35
00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:44,120
Speaker 1: whole life because you're ethically caked, So if anyone can

36
00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:46,000
Speaker 1: do it, Kate, it's you. Do you reckon? You could

37
00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:49,320
Speaker 1: do your whole life with one coat, one pair of shoes.

38
00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:51,640
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously you need to change of nickers and stuff,

39
00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:54,880
Speaker 1: but your coat and your shoes, yep.

40
00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:58,720
Speaker 2: I would say that it is sizing issues different. I'm

41
00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:02,200
Speaker 2: also I've experienced that I been pregnant the last several months.

42
00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:06,600
Speaker 2: You know, our different bodies fluctuate and change. But I think,

43
00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:10,240
Speaker 2: imagine if we just had you know, everyone kind of

44
00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:12,119
Speaker 2: had that one pair of shoes, and then there could

45
00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:14,600
Speaker 2: be some trading involved. I often dream of this type

46
00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:17,480
Speaker 2: of reality that we just you know, had that one

47
00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:20,640
Speaker 2: peer and then there's trading with different sizes. I've been

48
00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:23,440
Speaker 2: traveling for the past two months and living with not

49
00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:27,000
Speaker 2: much at all. I just have the one coat, one cardigan,

50
00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:30,640
Speaker 2: which I double up for warmth, and it's so refreshing,

51
00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:33,200
Speaker 2: save lots of money and it just makes life so

52
00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:33,959
Speaker 2: much more simple.

53
00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:35,440
Speaker 1: But Kate, do you smell?

54
00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:37,320
Speaker 2: Do I smell?

55
00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:38,200
Speaker 1: I don't smell.

56
00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:41,960
Speaker 2: I would say it is funny people I've heard rumors.

57
00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,680
Speaker 2: You know, I've been called a smelly hippie many times

58
00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:48,359
Speaker 2: in my life, but they don't realize that probably compared

59
00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:50,919
Speaker 2: to a lot of people, my hygiene standards are actually

60
00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:53,960
Speaker 2: quite high. I used to be a professional cleaner for

61
00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:56,240
Speaker 2: a little bit in my life, and I am very

62
00:02:56,240 --> 00:03:01,119
Speaker 2: aware and check with multiple people. If I smell, yeah,

63
00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:04,560
Speaker 2: it's it's let me know. If anyone does snall me

64
00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:06,240
Speaker 2: they see me out and about.

65
00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:09,320
Speaker 1: I'm just pleased. It's I'm pleased it's right. Do you

66
00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:12,679
Speaker 1: think because you wear the same clothes over and over,

67
00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,280
Speaker 1: you're probably more conscious of it and therefore more aware

68
00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:18,480
Speaker 1: and probably clean yourself more well.

69
00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:21,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, because also, you know, I'm looking right now at

70
00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:25,200
Speaker 2: this coat that I've been wearing for the last two months,

71
00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:29,480
Speaker 2: and it's actually made from upsacle quilts, and I was

72
00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:32,359
Speaker 2: looking at it thinking, and I smelt it and kind

73
00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:34,800
Speaker 2: of I have much more time to look over each

74
00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:37,280
Speaker 2: garment and see you are there any threads they're going

75
00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:39,600
Speaker 2: to fall apart? You know, is there any kind of

76
00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:41,480
Speaker 2: a pair that needs to be down. I have much

77
00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:46,320
Speaker 2: more time to invest time, money and energy and cleaning

78
00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:49,360
Speaker 2: and washing and focusing on keeping these garments alive, because

79
00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:51,440
Speaker 2: I don't have heaps of them that are just kind

80
00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:54,120
Speaker 2: of sprawled everywhere that I just kind of discard as

81
00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:56,520
Speaker 2: disposable skin. At the end of the day, I'm really

82
00:03:56,560 --> 00:04:00,720
Speaker 2: aware of how something you know, is going the wellbeing

83
00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:01,280
Speaker 2: of the garment.

84
00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:03,640
Speaker 1: Good on you, Kate, Nice to have you on the show.

85
00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:08,200
Speaker 1: Kate Hall Kate with her quilt coat, founder of Ethically

86
00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:12,480
Speaker 1: Kate twenty to six. For more from Heather Duplessy, Allen Drive,

87
00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:16,080
Speaker 1: listen live to news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays,

88
00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:18,400
Speaker 1: Or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio