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Speaker 1: Mike King. You cannot have it both ways with Mike King.

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Speaker 1: You can't say you care about and want to hear

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Speaker 1: from people with so called lived experience and then dismiss

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Speaker 1: them when you don't like what they say. Everyone knows

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Speaker 1: he doesn't have a PhD in mental health studies. Settled

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Speaker 1: down sally, he looked to me to simply be riffing

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Speaker 1: his opinion. So what props to the Mental Health Foundation

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Speaker 1: and to the minister, who've both handled their responses pretty well.

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Speaker 1: I reckon giving kudos to Mike for his incredible work

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Speaker 1: with Kiwi kids while also pointing out the fact there's

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Speaker 1: research out there that doesn't support his worldview. Is there

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Speaker 1: really a big deal here outside of Labour trying to

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Speaker 1: score a hit job because they're pissed that King bashed

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Speaker 1: them at the last election. Also, what is really worse

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Speaker 1: for mental health in this country Mike King going on

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Speaker 1: a booze rant or Labor spending one point eight billion

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Speaker 1: dollars in delivering not a single new acute mental health

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Speaker 1: bed in five years? What's to use the terms that

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Speaker 1: they love more dangerous for our vulnerable youth and Tamadiki.

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Speaker 1: It's not Mike King that's for sure. We can have

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Speaker 1: all the experts and the researchers and the academics and

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Speaker 1: the politicians in the world writing essay after essay at

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Speaker 1: great expense explaining our mental health problems, and it's fine

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Speaker 1: that they do, but what they will never deliver is

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Speaker 1: anything like the practical, grassroots counseling sessions and awareness that

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Speaker 1: Mike King has for our kids for years. For more

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