1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:05,160 Speaker 1: Open your news, interviews, entertainment, everything you need to enjoy 2 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 1: your day off. 3 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:10,120 Speaker 2: White Aney Day Breakfast with Andrew Dicketts News talks'd be it's. 4 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:11,399 Speaker 1: Good morning to you at the time, it's now seven 5 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:14,319 Speaker 1: to eight. Back to White Tongue we go. Chrishipkins is 6 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 1: the labor leader and with us this morning. 7 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:19,639 Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Chris Kill, Andrew, Chris talk to you. 8 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: Turns out you got yelled at this morning too, so 9 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 1: it sounds like Mario equally upset with everybody. 10 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 2: There are a few people there who were sort of, 11 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 2: you know, just creating a bit of noise, but I 12 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 2: don't think that was reflective of the overall moody here today. 13 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 2: The overall moody here today is actually really really positive. 14 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 2: I think people are here to celebrate the day to 15 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 2: you know, of course, to recognize the past, but also celebrate. 16 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:48,240 Speaker 1: The future and to recognize the current government. Do you 17 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 1: feel that there's been a represhment there? 18 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 2: Well, I think it'd be fair to say that there's 19 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 2: a bit of a frosty reception towards the government, But overall, 20 00:00:57,400 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 2: I don't think that reflects the spirit. I mean, why 21 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 2: don't you actually not about the politicians. It's about people 22 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 2: coming together and celebrating being Kiw's and all of the 23 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 2: things that we have in common. And yeah, the politics 24 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:10,479 Speaker 2: is actually only a small part of it. 25 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:13,320 Speaker 1: Okay. So the National Party I took to tim A 26 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:16,960 Speaker 1: Portaka earlier this morning and they were talking about offering, 27 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: you know, not an equality of outcomes, but certainly an 28 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 1: equality of opportunity, and he felt that that was quite good. 29 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: What are you saying to Mari about what Labor and 30 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 1: your side might offer them. 31 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 2: I think, you know, the current government's a long way 32 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 2: away from offering even a quality of opportunity for all 33 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 2: New Zealanders at this point. They're taking away opportunities from 34 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 2: a lot of New Zealanders at a time when we 35 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 2: should be aiming to increase them. My focus and the 36 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 2: Labor Party's focus is really on those core things that 37 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 2: people want to see us focused on addressing the cost 38 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 2: of living, jobs, health homes. Those are the things that 39 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 2: New Zealanders have put at the top of their list, 40 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 2: and so they're the things that are at the top 41 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 2: of my list. 42 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: Okay, So what are you actually offering other than not 43 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 1: being national. 44 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 2: Well, as I said, as we head towards the election, 45 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 2: people are going to see a lot more from us 46 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 2: about how we create jobs here in New Zealand, so 47 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 2: that young Mariy, as with other young New Zealanders, stay 48 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 2: here in New Zealand to create their futures rather than 49 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 2: ending up joining the exodus, heading to Australia or hitting 50 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 2: further afield to find opportunities. They should be able to 51 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 2: find here, So we want to create good jobs for them. 52 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 2: Restore the dream of home ownership for more New Zealanders, 53 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:29,079 Speaker 2: which seems more and more out of reach. Make sure 54 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 2: you can access health care when you need it, the 55 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 2: cost of living. 56 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: Are you telling Mary that if you're in power you 57 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 1: will re establish co governance? Are you telling Mari that 58 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 1: if you in it empower you will change government department 59 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: names back to to THEO. Are you telling them that 60 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 1: sort of thing because your peace in the weekend in 61 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 1: the Herald indicated your backing of those issues. 62 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 2: Well, co governance has become a dirty word to the 63 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 2: current government, but they haven't done away with it. There's 64 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 2: co governance arrangements all over the country, many of which 65 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 2: were entered into by previous national governments, and we embrace those, 66 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 2: We support those. The Waikato River is subject to a 67 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:11,919 Speaker 2: co covenance arrangements, as the Wanganui River is, as to 68 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 2: your wed A National Park. Across Auckland, you'll find co 69 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 2: governance arrangements in place for a variety of different resources 70 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 2: that we all enjoy. And there's nothing to be scared 71 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 2: off from that. There's nothing to be scared of by 72 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 2: embracing today Amari and having Madi names for government departments. 73 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:30,359 Speaker 2: I think it reflects who we are as a country. 74 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:33,639 Speaker 1: How do you strike the balance? And I could ask 75 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 1: this of any politician between honoring the treaty and what 76 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: the treaty might mean, you know, as and as a 77 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 1: Lord Blittertot said, it was a covenant you know that 78 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 1: then provided us with the framework that we could then 79 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: write laws. So how do you strike the balance between 80 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: honoring the treaty but meanwhile keeping social cohesion and stopping 81 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: each party from being at each other's throats. 82 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 2: What it was a treaty ultimately is about the future. 83 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 2: It was about the future in eighteen forty when it assigned, 84 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 2: and it's still a bit the future now. We have 85 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 2: to right some wrongs from the past into the country. 86 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 2: I think we've been very courageous and bold and doing 87 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 2: so over the last thirty or forty years, and I 88 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 2: hope that they will continue. But we've also got to 89 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 2: look to the future, and the treaty is about, you know, 90 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:17,280 Speaker 2: looking to the future and about creating our country in 91 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 2: which we can all prosper. 92 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: All right, Chris, enjoy the rest of the day games. 93 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 1: Chris Hipkins labored leader and this is News Talks. They 94 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 1: b Bruce has just texted it and said, white tongue. 95 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: He is quieted this year because Mary are arguing amongst 96 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 1: themselves and I think that could be fair as well. 97 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 1: It's to party Mardi and their implosion that's actually upsetting 98 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 1: the people up there and having a good old cord 99 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: at all about that, because you know, Tabarti Mari was 100 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: there to represent Mardi and now they're falling apart. So 101 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:45,280 Speaker 1: there we go. 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