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Speaker 1: We have a clash of thoughts between central and local governments.

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Speaker 1: So we got New Zealand first and act they're joining

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Speaker 1: versus forces over the way TACKI rangers co governance debate. Now,

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Speaker 1: the theory is the Rangers under a deed of acknowledgment

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Speaker 1: are overseen by a local council. The Crown and local

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Speaker 1: MARI representation would be a fifty to fifty split, and

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Speaker 1: this is where the upset comes int in New Zealand First,

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Speaker 1: MP Shane Jones with us on this good.

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Speaker 2: Morning, hey morning folks.

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Speaker 1: As much as we might agree with you and indeed

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Speaker 1: act on this, is this even your domain. This is

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Speaker 1: a council issue, isn't it?

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Speaker 2: No? An actual fact the Crown is involved because the

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Speaker 2: Department of Conservation has a stake in the future of

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Speaker 2: this twenty seven thousand hectares otherwise known as the White

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Speaker 2: Target Rangers. And look at less a loud voice publicizes

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Speaker 2: these things. You've got these secret operatives from the Labor

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Speaker 2: Party and mister Hill Greg President pushing this agenda and

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Speaker 2: we're not going to stand for it.

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Speaker 1: When you say the agenda though it's been around since

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Speaker 1: two thousand and eight, this is the way Tackari Rangers

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Speaker 1: Heritage Area Act. This is hardly new, it's hardly breaking news.

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Speaker 2: Why now, Well, funnily enough or perversely, I was around

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Speaker 2: in two thousand and eight and there's no way that

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Speaker 2: Helen Clark at one thousand million years would ever have

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Speaker 2: committed an April two thousand and eight to this piece

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Speaker 2: of legislation if it was going to turn into a

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Speaker 2: platform for co governance. Now, there's nothing wrong with the

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Speaker 2: mucky people who come from Bethel's Beach and they lost

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Speaker 2: their land many years ago and they're trying to re

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Speaker 2: establish AMRA out there. But these are the same people

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Speaker 2: that labour did over at I Humartal Winston and I

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Speaker 2: stuck up for them, and sadly they're being used as

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Speaker 2: ideological meat in the sandwich. We are not going to

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Speaker 2: tolerate any sliver of co governance over twenty seven thousand

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Speaker 2: hectares of West Auckland Heritage Area, a third of which

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Speaker 2: is privately owned.

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Speaker 1: What literally can you do about it?

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Speaker 2: Well, in the event that the Council does desire to

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Speaker 2: set up a committee, committees are set up under the

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Speaker 2: Local Government Act and the actual look the actual Act

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Speaker 2: going back to two thousand and eight. He's got a

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Speaker 2: lot of harmless provisions. But this is what happens. They

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Speaker 2: are cultivated and they are accelerated and in what you

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Speaker 2: think is harmless from many years ago turns into a

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Speaker 2: bugger's muddel. Look no further than the future of the

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Speaker 2: autoword to park for that answer.

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Speaker 1: So you will legislate to prevent this happening, is what

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Speaker 1: you're saying. So if you are going to do that,

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Speaker 1: do you have the numbers? Because it's you and act

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Speaker 1: you have national.

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Speaker 2: Well, let's get the facts first. If doc are involved,

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Speaker 2: there's no way that doc has a mandate to facilitate

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Speaker 2: co governance. Dock is a part of central government. All

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Speaker 2: of the documents that are being spread around foolishly by

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Speaker 2: the Super City Council, which are trying in a very

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Speaker 2: sneaky way to introduce his co governance outcome cannot do

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Speaker 2: it without Dock's outcome. Without Dock and Doctor's part of

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Speaker 2: central government, and central government will be obedient to the

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Speaker 2: coalition agreement.

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Speaker 1: Edward Ashby, who's representing the local LYUIY, he says, you're optimistief,

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Speaker 1: this is misinformation, you're scaremongering, and you need to learn

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Speaker 1: to read.

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Speaker 2: A look. I don't want to get into a slinging

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Speaker 2: match with young Edward. He needs to focus on building

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Speaker 2: on myri At Bessel speech.

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Speaker 1: All right, appreciate your time, Shane Jones, New Zealand First temped.

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