1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: One pm tomorrow, New Zealand time, Biden v. Trump. They've 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: never done it so early, you could argue for the 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 1: incumbent has never been more important to show he has 4 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: the stamina to go to Novimba. It's the first of 5 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: two debates. And Berethy is the Washington Editor full this, 6 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:16,440 Speaker 1: Spig Taita and is willis Amba good morning, good. 7 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:18,799 Speaker 2: Morning as for him for us, but thanks for having me. 8 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: I can't wait. Does that make me tragic or you 9 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: as excited as I am? Oh? 10 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 2: Of course I'm excited. I mean I think it's going 11 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 2: to be a really interesting night. In addition to the 12 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 2: Trump v. Biden matchup, there's also going to be two 13 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:39,840 Speaker 2: sort of side challengers as well. Bidy versus himself. There's 14 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 2: a lot of speculations as to whether or not he 15 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:47,599 Speaker 2: has the mental and physical capacity to serve another four 16 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 2: terms as president. And then there's Trump versus the moderators, 17 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 2: where the Trump campaign has spent the last week really 18 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 2: going over the perceived bias of Jake Tapper and Dana 19 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 2: Bash at CMN. So those are going to be two separate, 20 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 2: interesting sort of dynamics to look out for tomorrow. 21 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: The rules, will it Kill the funnel. 22 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 2: Not it will I think diminish the fun quite a bit. 23 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 2: Of course. One of the things that people look forward 24 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 2: to during the debate is the sort of cross talk 25 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 2: and the little jabs that come out as the opponent 26 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 2: is speaking. And because the microphones are going to be 27 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:28,959 Speaker 2: cut off, when the candidates are not given explosive speaking time, 28 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:32,119 Speaker 2: you're not going to really get that same dynamics. And then, 29 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 2: of course with no audience there to cheer or boose 30 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 2: some of the responses, it's going to be harder to 31 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 2: have that lively atmosphere and also that real time reaction 32 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 2: to what the candidates are saying. 33 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: Exactly what's your assessment of the role of the debate 34 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 1: or debates in the overall scheme of things, and leading 35 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: people to sawn to who they're going to bite for. 36 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 2: Ultimately, the debates don't have as much way on voters 37 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 2: as I think pun like to believe that they have. 38 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 2: If you pull most voters, they typically don't say that 39 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 2: the debates are real deciding factor for them. What a 40 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 2: debate I think is showing mostly this time around, is 41 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 2: one who is fit to be president in terms of 42 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 2: again the physical and mental capacity, but really The only 43 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:23,959 Speaker 2: debate moments that typically stick out are the really really 44 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 2: bad one. So as long as you can get through 45 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:31,519 Speaker 2: it relatively successfully, then not much is going to change 46 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 2: in terms of where voters stand on the candidate. 47 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 1: The fact they're going so early is that to show 48 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 1: Biden's got the goods and if he doesn't, if this 49 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 1: blows up in his face, what are they going to do? 50 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 2: Right? And that's one of the areas of speculation is 51 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 2: if Biden does blow up, are the Democrats going to 52 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:52,920 Speaker 2: try to replace him at the national convention in August. 53 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 2: The reason why the debate was scheduled so early initially 54 00:02:56,880 --> 00:03:00,360 Speaker 2: was because Trump was asking for it to happen because 55 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 2: of the fact that the US now has early and 56 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 2: mail in voting that starts a couple of months out 57 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 2: from the November election, So they wanted to give voters 58 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 2: the opportunity to see the candidate's debate well before they 59 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 2: started actually casting their ballots. The debate used to be 60 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 2: held in September and October, and then voters would go 61 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 2: to the polls that first Tuesday in November. That obviously 62 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 2: has changed, but I also think the Biden campaign has 63 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 2: been looking at some of the polling lately and has 64 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 2: real concerns. Biden is trailing Trump in five out of 65 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 2: six battleground states. He's losing on the top issues that 66 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 2: matter most to voters by double digists in terms of 67 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 2: voters who voters trust more to handle those issues. And 68 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 2: we've also seen some of Biden's bates turning away from him, 69 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 2: African American voters, Latino voters, and young voters tending a 70 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 2: little bit more towards Trump. All of these are things 71 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 2: that would give any campaign cause, and I think this 72 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 2: debate is a way for them to try to maybe 73 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 2: inject some life into what is looking like a dying campaign. 74 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: Amber. I appreciate your expertise and insight very much. 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