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Speaker 1: I've got a little bit of an issue going on

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Speaker 1: by the looks of things in the medical community. So

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Speaker 1: the Medical Council is launching an inquiry and to doctors

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Speaker 1: who are giving out prescriptions for medicinal medicinal cannabis at

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Speaker 1: these cannabis clinics. It comes after complainants for our complaints

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Speaker 1: from patients who say that they were not properly briefed

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Speaker 1: on non cannabis options at the clinics. Doctor Luke Bradford

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Speaker 1: is the medical director for the Royal New Zealand College

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Speaker 1: of GPS and with.

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Speaker 2: Us Hey Luke, Hey, Heather, how are you.

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Speaker 1: I'm very well, thank you. Is that what's going on

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Speaker 1: These guys are rocking up or patients are rocking up

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Speaker 1: at the cannabis clinics and they're being given cannabis options,

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Speaker 1: but not for example, panadol is an option.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, essentially, I mean there's no other comparable service that

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Speaker 2: is based on a treatment option alone as opposed to conditions.

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Speaker 2: So we don't have clinics for any other type of

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Speaker 2: medicine or drug. We have them for different types of conditions.

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Speaker 2: So if you've only got one option in front of you,

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Speaker 2: you're likely to use it think what's happening?

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Speaker 1: But Luke, does anybody go to a cannabis clinic like

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Speaker 1: you've you've got to saw lead water there, you go

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Speaker 1: to a cannabis clinic. I mean, the only reason you're

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Speaker 1: there is because you want cannabis. Right. You don't expect

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Speaker 1: them to offer you some traditional pharmaceutical pain relief, do you?

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Speaker 2: No? No, So I think that in certainly. We put

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Speaker 2: out a statement in September two twenty three saying that

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Speaker 2: medicinal cannabis is lacking in evidence in the journey being

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Speaker 2: used once all other options have been trialed, but that's

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Speaker 2: not happening with these clinics.

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Speaker 1: Okay, now what do you want done here?

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Speaker 2: There is no regulation. The medicines aren't tested or proven

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Speaker 2: in the same way as we'd have any other it's

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Speaker 2: just grown cannabis that they do in a relatively sterile manner.

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Speaker 2: We'd like some research done on what you should be

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Speaker 2: using for what, for how long and in what does

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Speaker 2: And we think that actually these single single purpose clinics

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Speaker 2: should come under some form of regulation because at the

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Speaker 2: moment there is a mimy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what so do you do? You do you want

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Speaker 1: it to be a little bit, I mean, what's I

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Speaker 1: don't even I how this works at the moment. What

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Speaker 1: do people do? Do They go in and they say, look,

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Speaker 1: I've got chronic migraines, and so you just basically take

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Speaker 1: enough oil sort of figure it out yourself, do you.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, almost, it's not quite. It's often it's an

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Speaker 2: online tick box exercise. First you go online and tick

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Speaker 2: which symptoms you have and your severity of it, and

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Speaker 2: then they'll direct you to whether or not you are

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Speaker 2: suitable for medicinal cannabis, which seems to be a universal yes,

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Speaker 2: despite the fact that the actual conditions we know it

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Speaker 2: works for are fairly limited, and then you'll have some

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Speaker 2: kind of comes of it. Isn't looking at your whole

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Speaker 2: health journey necessarily, isn't looking at what other medicines you're

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Speaker 2: on and what else has been trialed? And then you're

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Speaker 2: given various formulations of THC containing and CBD containing medicines

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Speaker 2: in t's and inhalations and the light.

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Speaker 1: At different doses. Do you different strengths?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, well yeah, and it's not really clear

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Speaker 2: what strength certainly in the THC you're getting because you're

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Speaker 2: making your own tea out of it. Or putting it

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Speaker 2: through a vaporizer.

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Speaker 1: It's not like and then is it a case of

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Speaker 1: trial and error? Each patient does trial does it themselves.

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Speaker 1: It just figures out what, like how many cups of

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Speaker 1: tea they have to drink to feel good.

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Speaker 2: I think they probably are given a starting point that

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Speaker 2: essentially yes, yeah, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, interesting, Hey, thanks very much. I really appreciate you

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Speaker 1: talking us through that. That's Luke Bradford, Royal New Zealand

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Speaker 1: College of GP's medical director.

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