1 00:00:06,707 --> 00:00:10,587 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport Podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,747 --> 00:00:12,067 Speaker 1: from Newstalk zb. 3 00:00:12,707 --> 00:00:14,947 Speaker 2: And about this time every Sunday afternoon we get the 4 00:00:14,947 --> 00:00:17,507 Speaker 2: pleasure of the company of James mconey, which we do 5 00:00:17,627 --> 00:00:18,027 Speaker 2: right now. 6 00:00:18,107 --> 00:00:21,587 Speaker 3: Hello mate, kid, Hey poney, how are you? What a game? 7 00:00:21,667 --> 00:00:22,507 Speaker 3: What a big game? 8 00:00:22,907 --> 00:00:25,187 Speaker 2: I loved it. I loved it, I really did. I. 9 00:00:26,307 --> 00:00:28,707 Speaker 2: I don't mean to compare, but I watched the Wallabees 10 00:00:28,747 --> 00:00:31,747 Speaker 2: Whales game afterwards and that was a bit underwhelming compared 11 00:00:31,747 --> 00:00:33,267 Speaker 2: to what happened under the roof and Denedin. 12 00:00:33,307 --> 00:00:36,147 Speaker 3: For me, yeah, it was lame. It was a proper 13 00:00:36,187 --> 00:00:40,147 Speaker 3: test match last night, so enthralling the drama with d mac. 14 00:00:40,347 --> 00:00:42,947 Speaker 3: I totally agree with dmak about a shot clock. There 15 00:00:42,947 --> 00:00:45,467 Speaker 3: needs to be a shot clock. But also I'm just 16 00:00:45,507 --> 00:00:48,547 Speaker 3: wondering whether I don't blame him for smiling. I know 17 00:00:48,667 --> 00:00:52,227 Speaker 3: it's triggering for some people seeing all black smiling, but 18 00:00:52,627 --> 00:00:54,907 Speaker 3: maybe you can't do a full blown smile. Maybe it 19 00:00:54,947 --> 00:00:58,387 Speaker 3: needs to be like a Mona Lisa smile, just a smirk, just. 20 00:00:58,427 --> 00:01:01,267 Speaker 2: A little, just a little grin. You would have seen 21 00:01:01,267 --> 00:01:02,667 Speaker 2: this as well. You would have been at grounds where 22 00:01:02,707 --> 00:01:06,147 Speaker 2: Damien McKenzie is taking kicks and he's on the big screen. 23 00:01:06,467 --> 00:01:11,027 Speaker 2: When he smiles, everybody cheers. 24 00:01:10,787 --> 00:01:13,587 Speaker 3: It's part of his routine. I'm not going to stop him. 25 00:01:13,587 --> 00:01:15,987 Speaker 3: He's a bloody good goalkicker. Although there are a few 26 00:01:15,987 --> 00:01:18,667 Speaker 3: that were missed last night and also by Marcus Smith. 27 00:01:18,707 --> 00:01:21,747 Speaker 3: But it does put the pressure on tea delivery. I 28 00:01:21,787 --> 00:01:23,747 Speaker 3: was thinking, you can't have a prop doing that. It's 29 00:01:23,747 --> 00:01:26,147 Speaker 3: either going to be Caleb Clarke or a Morning Nadawa, 30 00:01:26,787 --> 00:01:29,587 Speaker 3: or we just get in someone like you know, Joseph Miller, 31 00:01:29,627 --> 00:01:32,987 Speaker 3: New Zealand's fastest man, just as a tea tea boy. 32 00:01:33,387 --> 00:01:37,027 Speaker 2: Like Idio sign Katia. He could come back from his 33 00:01:37,147 --> 00:01:41,547 Speaker 2: fledgling NFL career and basically the tea. So you're basically 34 00:01:41,667 --> 00:01:45,467 Speaker 2: you could put some starting blocks on the sideline and 35 00:01:45,627 --> 00:01:46,187 Speaker 2: out you go. 36 00:01:47,107 --> 00:01:50,627 Speaker 3: Yeah, far side of the field sideline conversion, I mean, 37 00:01:51,107 --> 00:01:54,067 Speaker 3: or even any sideline kick. That tea is going to 38 00:01:54,067 --> 00:01:56,867 Speaker 3: get out there fast. That's that's a seventy meter sprint there, 39 00:01:56,987 --> 00:02:00,427 Speaker 3: and you can't have anybody like lumbering over there. No 40 00:02:00,507 --> 00:02:03,507 Speaker 3: disrespect to our props, but hey, you know, although to 41 00:02:03,547 --> 00:02:06,587 Speaker 3: Mysy Williams did look quite quick to the Chiefs, maybe 42 00:02:06,587 --> 00:02:10,307 Speaker 3: he could do it. But yeah, maybe maybe delivery is key. 43 00:02:10,867 --> 00:02:14,667 Speaker 2: Absolutely it is key. Hey, England will be I don't 44 00:02:14,667 --> 00:02:19,267 Speaker 2: think they'll be necessarily kicking themselves, but they will be 45 00:02:19,307 --> 00:02:22,387 Speaker 2: thinking about a blown opportunity today, won't they. 46 00:02:23,747 --> 00:02:26,867 Speaker 3: Absolutely, that's the one that got away. I totally agree 47 00:02:26,867 --> 00:02:29,387 Speaker 3: with Liam Napier and some of your callers there who 48 00:02:29,467 --> 00:02:32,147 Speaker 3: were just you know, looking at thinking wow, there was 49 00:02:32,387 --> 00:02:34,347 Speaker 3: there were moments there and it's still cold of right 50 00:02:34,387 --> 00:02:36,547 Speaker 3: at the end that that penalty could have gone either 51 00:02:36,587 --> 00:02:40,547 Speaker 3: way right on full time. So England will be gutted. 52 00:02:40,907 --> 00:02:43,147 Speaker 3: They look like a work in progress as well. I mean, 53 00:02:43,187 --> 00:02:46,827 Speaker 3: Finn Baxter looks about twelve years old. The giant chairup 54 00:02:46,867 --> 00:02:49,787 Speaker 3: who's playing a reserve prop for them to see them. 55 00:02:51,667 --> 00:02:55,227 Speaker 3: But they also have people like you know that Dan 56 00:02:55,307 --> 00:02:58,027 Speaker 3: Cole is thirty seven years old, so they sort of, 57 00:02:58,827 --> 00:03:01,827 Speaker 3: I guess, trying to shore up that the scrum. And 58 00:03:01,867 --> 00:03:05,027 Speaker 3: that's I thought where the All Blacks excelled and put 59 00:03:05,107 --> 00:03:07,547 Speaker 3: pressure on in the last cour or. But up until 60 00:03:07,587 --> 00:03:10,987 Speaker 3: then I would say that England looked the better side. 61 00:03:12,107 --> 00:03:15,147 Speaker 2: I agree, I think, and I think for large parts 62 00:03:15,147 --> 00:03:16,507 Speaker 2: of the game, if you were going to break it 63 00:03:16,547 --> 00:03:20,027 Speaker 2: down with you know, forensic deep and forensic detail, I 64 00:03:20,067 --> 00:03:22,307 Speaker 2: think they probably shagged it in a lot of areas 65 00:03:22,347 --> 00:03:25,747 Speaker 2: and sixteen fifteen tells the story of that. You know, 66 00:03:25,827 --> 00:03:27,907 Speaker 2: Marcus Smith, I really like him, by the way. I 67 00:03:27,947 --> 00:03:30,387 Speaker 2: think he's a really good player. But he missed a 68 00:03:30,387 --> 00:03:33,147 Speaker 2: couple of shots of goal one in particular, which was 69 00:03:33,187 --> 00:03:33,987 Speaker 2: fairly handy. 70 00:03:35,027 --> 00:03:37,787 Speaker 3: Yeah well, I mean Owen Pharrell would have splotted those. 71 00:03:37,827 --> 00:03:40,827 Speaker 3: But I like Marcus Smith, and even though Borthwick probably 72 00:03:40,867 --> 00:03:43,707 Speaker 3: doesn't see him as his number one first five, I 73 00:03:43,707 --> 00:03:48,027 Speaker 3: think England needs to keep stick with that Marcus Smith. 74 00:03:48,067 --> 00:03:51,067 Speaker 3: I've got to persevere with him because otherwise they go 75 00:03:51,147 --> 00:03:53,667 Speaker 3: back to boring old England. I don't think that makes 76 00:03:53,667 --> 00:03:57,227 Speaker 3: them competitive against teams like the All Blacks. So yes 77 00:03:57,267 --> 00:04:00,387 Speaker 3: to Marcus Smith, used to Chamber Cunningham South who went 78 00:04:00,427 --> 00:04:04,307 Speaker 3: to Hambleton Boys High and Lincoln University apparently and playing 79 00:04:04,347 --> 00:04:08,467 Speaker 3: blind so for England were exceptional. But in the final 80 00:04:08,547 --> 00:04:11,147 Speaker 3: quarter I just think the All Blacks bench was a 81 00:04:11,147 --> 00:04:16,507 Speaker 3: bit stronger. Softwhal Moor excellent, Boden Barrett really solid and clever, 82 00:04:17,387 --> 00:04:21,547 Speaker 3: Fletcher Newle as well kept the pressure on in the scrum, 83 00:04:22,027 --> 00:04:24,827 Speaker 3: and Luke Jacobson. They all studied the ship really but 84 00:04:25,307 --> 00:04:28,587 Speaker 3: we have to be honest, as all Blacks fans and 85 00:04:28,787 --> 00:04:32,147 Speaker 3: media rarely that this is a new era with Razor. 86 00:04:33,107 --> 00:04:35,347 Speaker 3: We've got to give them time. I don't think we 87 00:04:35,467 --> 00:04:38,427 Speaker 3: should be concerned if there is a loss against England. 88 00:04:39,307 --> 00:04:41,507 Speaker 3: But you know, because I was looking thinking, well, the 89 00:04:41,547 --> 00:04:44,827 Speaker 3: lineouts are shambles, so you've got no metallic or white lock, 90 00:04:44,987 --> 00:04:47,307 Speaker 3: and then you know the back line was a bit clunky, 91 00:04:47,307 --> 00:04:49,987 Speaker 3: and of course you're missing Aaron Smith, so and even 92 00:04:50,107 --> 00:04:52,267 Speaker 3: the defense of Sam Kine. I think we are missing 93 00:04:52,907 --> 00:04:54,747 Speaker 3: top players. This is a new era. 94 00:04:55,667 --> 00:04:58,747 Speaker 2: Speaking of time, are the Warriors running out of it 95 00:04:59,027 --> 00:05:00,547 Speaker 2: a little bit? To make the eight? 96 00:05:02,187 --> 00:05:06,347 Speaker 3: Do you know what they missed? That was tough yesterday 97 00:05:06,587 --> 00:05:10,227 Speaker 3: because they they did enough to win, but didn't quite 98 00:05:10,347 --> 00:05:13,867 Speaker 3: have the finish that they needed. And I'm gud when 99 00:05:13,907 --> 00:05:15,667 Speaker 3: it comes down to drop goals. You just haven't got 100 00:05:15,707 --> 00:05:18,107 Speaker 3: one person who spends their whole life and that's all 101 00:05:18,147 --> 00:05:22,067 Speaker 3: they care about. But I was so excited to see 102 00:05:22,747 --> 00:05:26,507 Speaker 3: Leka Hala Sima, the eighteen year old from Tonga, normally 103 00:05:26,547 --> 00:05:29,947 Speaker 3: a forward, second row sometimes front row, playing in the senders. 104 00:05:29,987 --> 00:05:30,907 Speaker 3: Did you see him? Phoney? 105 00:05:31,067 --> 00:05:33,467 Speaker 2: I did, I did, I've watched I didn't watch the 106 00:05:33,627 --> 00:05:35,427 Speaker 2: entire game. I was getting ready for the rugby, but 107 00:05:35,547 --> 00:05:38,187 Speaker 2: I've watched some highlights, and yeah, I love it when 108 00:05:38,227 --> 00:05:39,827 Speaker 2: you see it, when you see a guy you've never 109 00:05:39,867 --> 00:05:42,147 Speaker 2: heard of, really and they seize their chance. 110 00:05:43,107 --> 00:05:43,347 Speaker 1: I know. 111 00:05:43,587 --> 00:05:46,267 Speaker 3: And we've been talking about this on your show, Piney, 112 00:05:46,547 --> 00:05:49,547 Speaker 3: about filling that boyd in the Warriors, a big line breaking, 113 00:05:49,667 --> 00:05:53,547 Speaker 3: side stepping, attacking threats from anywhere in the field. And 114 00:05:53,587 --> 00:05:56,947 Speaker 3: when I say you know side stepping as well, I 115 00:05:56,947 --> 00:05:59,987 Speaker 3: mean not just a person who can change direction quickly. 116 00:06:00,307 --> 00:06:02,867 Speaker 3: I mean like he feigned one way, dipped the shoulder, 117 00:06:03,467 --> 00:06:06,587 Speaker 3: basically broke the defender's ankles as they say at that 118 00:06:06,667 --> 00:06:10,507 Speaker 3: Bulldog on as Bum And I was just like, I'm 119 00:06:10,547 --> 00:06:12,467 Speaker 3: not praying to get going off. I know I am. 120 00:06:12,587 --> 00:06:14,307 Speaker 3: I am prone to going off at the DP, but 121 00:06:14,347 --> 00:06:18,467 Speaker 3: I'm saying right now, Piney, a star is born. And 122 00:06:18,547 --> 00:06:22,907 Speaker 3: to quote Lady Gaga, it's like, tell me something, boy, 123 00:06:23,347 --> 00:06:27,387 Speaker 3: are you trying hard to fill that bored and you 124 00:06:27,587 --> 00:06:32,507 Speaker 3: are more scored? You're the center we've been looking for. 125 00:06:33,547 --> 00:06:34,307 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. 126 00:06:34,507 --> 00:06:37,467 Speaker 2: I know I do, and I love the way you've 127 00:06:37,987 --> 00:06:43,307 Speaker 2: articulated yourself through song. Can I just ask you about 128 00:06:43,307 --> 00:06:43,667 Speaker 2: the Europe. 129 00:06:44,107 --> 00:06:46,267 Speaker 3: It's exciting to see it is. 130 00:06:47,587 --> 00:06:50,307 Speaker 2: Yeah. I got up. I set my larm this morning 131 00:06:50,307 --> 00:06:52,507 Speaker 2: to get up to watch England play Switzerland and the Euros. 132 00:06:53,667 --> 00:06:56,427 Speaker 2: England won on penalties, which actually hasn't always been the case. 133 00:06:57,107 --> 00:07:00,427 Speaker 2: That was sort of almost turned up in the semi 134 00:07:00,427 --> 00:07:02,307 Speaker 2: finals by accident, haven't they England? 135 00:07:03,267 --> 00:07:05,947 Speaker 3: Yeah, this is weird. It's like they've missed magoo their 136 00:07:05,987 --> 00:07:10,107 Speaker 3: way through every single phase of play, although there have 137 00:07:10,187 --> 00:07:14,667 Speaker 3: been moments of brilliance and they really Garris Southgate owes 138 00:07:14,707 --> 00:07:16,867 Speaker 3: a lot to Jude beelling them for the overhead in 139 00:07:16,907 --> 00:07:19,827 Speaker 3: the previous game and then the overhead kick, and then 140 00:07:20,387 --> 00:07:25,467 Speaker 3: now he's got bacay Osaka who's kind of been trying 141 00:07:26,507 --> 00:07:28,627 Speaker 3: as much as he can to sort of do something 142 00:07:28,627 --> 00:07:31,267 Speaker 3: with his England team. I saw him make one run 143 00:07:31,267 --> 00:07:33,947 Speaker 3: and crossed it into the area and Harry Kane was 144 00:07:34,067 --> 00:07:36,227 Speaker 3: nowhere to be seen. Did you see that pony I did? 145 00:07:37,427 --> 00:07:39,987 Speaker 3: That is weird to me. There's something wrong with this 146 00:07:40,107 --> 00:07:43,067 Speaker 3: England team. But they are in the semis They're going 147 00:07:43,147 --> 00:07:45,707 Speaker 3: to play the Dutch and they're probably lucky they are 148 00:07:45,747 --> 00:07:50,507 Speaker 3: playing them because I think Spain looked really good. Yeah, 149 00:07:50,507 --> 00:07:52,387 Speaker 3: they're a little bit annoying and they dive all over 150 00:07:52,427 --> 00:07:56,467 Speaker 3: the place, but so does everybody. My big issue though 151 00:07:56,707 --> 00:08:00,187 Speaker 3: is yellow cards, and I mentioned it last week. Yellow 152 00:08:00,187 --> 00:08:02,707 Speaker 3: cards are still a problem, pony. Don't you think the 153 00:08:04,067 --> 00:08:05,947 Speaker 3: incorrect yellow cards is what I'm talking about? 154 00:08:06,147 --> 00:08:09,347 Speaker 2: Right? I was running what the other part about it is? 155 00:08:09,387 --> 00:08:11,987 Speaker 2: That is the accumulation of yellow cards which leads to 156 00:08:12,067 --> 00:08:15,787 Speaker 2: a ban. And yeah, if you get a couple in 157 00:08:15,827 --> 00:08:18,027 Speaker 2: the Euros. I think that because normally they wipe the 158 00:08:18,067 --> 00:08:20,747 Speaker 2: slate clean after the after the group stages. You say, okay, 159 00:08:20,747 --> 00:08:22,267 Speaker 2: you can get too in the group stages, but then 160 00:08:22,507 --> 00:08:24,627 Speaker 2: everyone goes back to zero in the knockout stages. I 161 00:08:24,667 --> 00:08:27,947 Speaker 2: think they've included the quarter finals and the accumulation of 162 00:08:27,987 --> 00:08:31,067 Speaker 2: yellow cards at the Euros exactly. 163 00:08:31,147 --> 00:08:34,067 Speaker 3: So. I saw another shocking one the other day. A 164 00:08:35,107 --> 00:08:39,507 Speaker 3: tackle on em Barpe, Portuguese player, perfectly legitimate, clean tackle, 165 00:08:39,627 --> 00:08:42,547 Speaker 3: got the ball only no starts up, no nothing, pretty 166 00:08:42,587 --> 00:08:44,387 Speaker 3: much balls on the floor, so it was his foot. 167 00:08:45,067 --> 00:08:47,227 Speaker 3: There was a yellow card and he was going to 168 00:08:47,267 --> 00:08:50,947 Speaker 3: miss the next game if Portugal had gone through. And 169 00:08:50,987 --> 00:08:53,907 Speaker 3: you're not allowed to appeal yellow cards. So there's a 170 00:08:53,907 --> 00:08:56,427 Speaker 3: massive problem in football at the moment with the adjudicating it. 171 00:08:56,467 --> 00:08:59,427 Speaker 3: Even under the VA it feels like they're getting way 172 00:08:59,467 --> 00:09:02,427 Speaker 3: more stuff wrong then they used to. So there was 173 00:09:02,467 --> 00:09:05,507 Speaker 3: a handball in the Spain Germany game, but I'm sure 174 00:09:05,547 --> 00:09:08,267 Speaker 3: I've seen that kind of handball. This is a shot 175 00:09:08,307 --> 00:09:10,547 Speaker 3: on target, by the way, not just out in the 176 00:09:10,587 --> 00:09:13,467 Speaker 3: far reaches of the of the penalty box. A shot 177 00:09:13,467 --> 00:09:15,787 Speaker 3: on target. Spanish guy has his hand in the way 178 00:09:16,187 --> 00:09:19,027 Speaker 3: and there's no penalty. That didn't even go to var 179 00:09:19,147 --> 00:09:19,947 Speaker 3: I don't think ye. 180 00:09:20,027 --> 00:09:22,107 Speaker 2: I saw that one too. I saw that one too. Yeah, 181 00:09:22,107 --> 00:09:25,747 Speaker 2: it's the inconsistency. The inconsistency is what is most frustrating. 182 00:09:26,187 --> 00:09:29,507 Speaker 2: I think in the Euros, whoever wins the Spain France 183 00:09:29,547 --> 00:09:33,267 Speaker 2: semi final probably wins it. I mean, yes, England, could 184 00:09:33,267 --> 00:09:36,267 Speaker 2: you know, mister magoo their way to it. As you say, 185 00:09:36,427 --> 00:09:38,787 Speaker 2: the Netherlands on their day can can do things. But 186 00:09:39,467 --> 00:09:41,867 Speaker 2: I just think Spain, well, I actually think Spain will 187 00:09:41,867 --> 00:09:44,187 Speaker 2: win it. But whoever wins Spain France I think wins it. 188 00:09:44,987 --> 00:09:47,907 Speaker 3: Yeah, I totally agree with you, mate, and France looking 189 00:09:48,147 --> 00:09:50,347 Speaker 3: quite dodgy. And is it a case when you know 190 00:09:50,427 --> 00:09:52,947 Speaker 3: you've probably got extra time that you hold back your 191 00:09:52,947 --> 00:09:56,587 Speaker 3: stars and embarbe looks uncomfortable in his mask. I just 192 00:09:56,667 --> 00:09:58,867 Speaker 3: let him start on the bench and give him the 193 00:09:58,907 --> 00:10:02,027 Speaker 3: final hour rather than the first hour if you're assuming 194 00:10:02,067 --> 00:10:04,187 Speaker 3: it's going to go the extra time. And I'd even 195 00:10:04,187 --> 00:10:06,267 Speaker 3: say the same with Grisman. The team looks better with 196 00:10:06,427 --> 00:10:09,587 Speaker 3: him out there, but then he can only really last 197 00:10:09,987 --> 00:10:14,027 Speaker 3: an hour in those conditions. So anyway, something for Dave 198 00:10:14,067 --> 00:10:16,387 Speaker 3: Schamp to think about. But also just as well, I 199 00:10:16,467 --> 00:10:18,827 Speaker 3: think it's great let's applaud Razor for his first win 200 00:10:19,027 --> 00:10:22,027 Speaker 3: and just say the Blues WhatsApp group they would have 201 00:10:22,067 --> 00:10:23,947 Speaker 3: been would have been pinging off last night when the 202 00:10:23,947 --> 00:10:26,907 Speaker 3: All Blacks are in trouble with support for Hoskins, and 203 00:10:26,947 --> 00:10:30,347 Speaker 3: I'm sure someone probably added Razor into the group chat 204 00:10:30,387 --> 00:10:33,227 Speaker 3: there for a bit, you know, just to troll them. 205 00:10:33,227 --> 00:10:35,907 Speaker 3: But now they can they can calm down for another week. 206 00:10:36,067 --> 00:10:38,947 Speaker 2: Good man, and we'll chat to you in a week 207 00:10:39,147 --> 00:10:41,787 Speaker 2: from today as well. James. 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