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Speaker 1: In France. Catherine Field, good morning, Good morning, Mike. I

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Speaker 1: think that interested me much. I think we all knew

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Speaker 1: he was going to lose. Is how much he lost by?

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Speaker 1: Why was he routed that way?

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Speaker 2: Well? Yeah, time is up for French prime minister who

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Speaker 2: nine months in office and who would have believed that

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Speaker 2: he would have such a resounding kicking out of office Mike.

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Speaker 2: Nearly two thirds of Parliament voted against him. Not only that,

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Speaker 2: some fifteen MPs from his own party also voted for

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Speaker 2: him to leave the scene, so pretty extraordinary scenes after

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Speaker 2: only nine months in office. Part of it, Mike was

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Speaker 2: his attitude. He antagonized pat By, who seemed to antagonize

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Speaker 2: everyone he spoke to. He didn't negotiate, he didn't try

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Speaker 2: and seek coalitions. He sort of stayed within his sort

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Speaker 2: of fractured right wing block in Parliament and talked among

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Speaker 2: them themselves. Then when it came to putting a budget

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Speaker 2: for next year, he just put together a budget and

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Speaker 2: handed it down and said, this is what we're going

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Speaker 2: to have. It's going to be what eighty seven billion

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Speaker 2: New Zealand dollars worth of savings And if you want

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Speaker 2: to talk to me, you know where I am, so

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Speaker 2: of course that really did annoy people. The parliamentarians were saying, no,

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Speaker 2: you know the way that you do this if you've

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Speaker 2: got a split parliament like this, a minority government, you

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Speaker 2: come and talk to us before you put the budget down.

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Speaker 2: So that didn't go down well. And I think there

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Speaker 2: were two more things that really did wrong a parliamentarians.

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Speaker 2: One was he said over the summer months he couldn't

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Speaker 2: get in touch with any of the parliamentarians, any of

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Speaker 2: the MPs. He said they were all on holiday, so

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Speaker 2: it was as though mobile phones didn't even exist. The

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Speaker 2: other thing we're hearing was that he led Emanual Macron,

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Speaker 2: the president, to believe that he had already talked to

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Speaker 2: the other political parties about this vote of confidence, and

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Speaker 2: it seemed that he hadn't. And so Emanual Macron is

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Speaker 2: going to be meeting Franco Baijou just under twelve hours

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Speaker 2: time from now, and we'll say, yeah, you've got to

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Speaker 2: stay on as a caretaker until we get a new

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Speaker 2: prime minister.

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Speaker 1: But you're fired.

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Speaker 2: You singly failed to do the job I put you

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Speaker 2: in there for the country is still in fiscal chaos

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Speaker 2: and everything will just go on the President's office has

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Speaker 2: said there will be a new prime minister in the

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Speaker 2: coming days.

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Speaker 1: Right deserve you exactly? Does this reflect badly on Macron?

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Speaker 1: I mean he can't keep picking prime ministers.

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Speaker 2: Kenny well his alternative, he can keep picking prime ministers. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: this is only a political crisis, it's not a constitutional crisis.

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Speaker 2: He could dissolve parliament again, it's been more than a

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Speaker 2: year since there were parliamentary elections. But if he does

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Speaker 2: that then his party would do even worse than it

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Speaker 2: did just over a year ago. You would still not

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Speaker 2: have a strong central government a parliament there and this

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Speaker 2: is also the risk that Mahine la penn in the

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Speaker 2: far right would do better. The latest shows that would

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Speaker 2: come in with around thirty one percent of the vote,

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Speaker 2: So that's way ahead of the left block, which we're

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Speaker 2: coming at twenty three percent. So he's just got to

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Speaker 2: keep fumbling along.

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Speaker 1: Interesting how much of the weight of the argument you'll

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Speaker 1: opens your nationalrallies, which is we're not against what you're

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Speaker 1: trying to do. It's just like have a look over

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Speaker 1: there at the waist and we're over there at the waist,

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Speaker 1: and start tiding up some of the waste that we

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Speaker 1: see as waste as opposed to what you might see

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Speaker 1: as waste.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's exactly it. You've not only got Mahinglapen the

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Speaker 2: far right saying, hey, listen, you know, don't just cut

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Speaker 2: government spending, don't just cut healthcare spending. Have a bit

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Speaker 2: more of a of a finger on the wallet of

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Speaker 2: the super rich. You get some money from them. And

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Speaker 2: that's exactly also what the socialists say on the left.

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Speaker 2: They're saying, you know, let's have a rich text. The

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Speaker 2: ultra rich should be taxed more. The the other thing

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Speaker 2: is essentially Macrome. He's got what two years, not even

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Speaker 2: two years after an office. He's a lame duck when

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Speaker 2: it comes to to the domestic politics anyway, and no

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Speaker 2: one likes his opinion. Pole ratings are really low. At

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Speaker 2: the best he can sort of scuffer together eighteen percent

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Speaker 2: approval ratings, so no one wants him to succeed. So

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Speaker 2: all he can do is try and find another prime minister.

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Speaker 2: And as they're saying here, you know, just in the

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Speaker 2: last couple of minutes, the joke granders are next. Please

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Speaker 2: who wants it next?

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Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing, isn't it. I mean you need

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Speaker 1: to find i suppose Barneo was like that, you know'd

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Speaker 1: been doing our the work. He's probably sitting there having

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Speaker 1: a good time, and he said, do you want to

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Speaker 1: do me your favor and run the place for a

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Speaker 1: while and see me you get some numbers through the house.

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Speaker 1: You need to find somebody who's going to look. I'll

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Speaker 1: give it a crack, but I mean, who wants that job?

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Speaker 2: Well, this is also the problem when you've got presidential

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Speaker 2: elections coming up in just under two years time. No

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Speaker 2: one wants to have their copybook blotted by having ruined

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Speaker 2: the economy of being behind a widespread process that break out,

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Speaker 2: which is expected that there will be protests the next

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Speaker 2: couple of weeks. There's almost someone somewhere some of the

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Speaker 2: names that have been dreamt up, you know, politicians have

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Speaker 2: retired and they can bring them back to sort of

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Speaker 2: mind the shop just so steady the ship. And I

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Speaker 2: think that is actually what Macron does want. And if anything,

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Speaker 2: that was what fast our Biery managed to do. They

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Speaker 2: could have stabilize it for a while domestically, which allowed

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Speaker 2: Macron to go and do what he does on the

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Speaker 2: international scene, which French people do like all.

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Speaker 1: Right, Catherine good to catch up with you, so you assume.

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Speaker 1: Catherine Field in France for US this morning. For more

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