1
00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,679
Speaker 1: Very so for senior political correspondence with us now Barry, Hello,

2
00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:05,840
Speaker 1: good afternoon, and happy birthday to you.

3
00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:07,200
Speaker 2: Lord, thank you, thank you.

4
00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:09,600
Speaker 1: That's to be the end of that for today.

5
00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:12,799
Speaker 2: I thank You're the one person I know that never

6
00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:16,000
Speaker 2: wants to celebrate any birthdays in any great way. It's

7
00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:17,480
Speaker 2: not because I'm worried about getting olds.

8
00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:20,840
Speaker 1: No, I know't like the attention. And you're doing it now.

9
00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:22,360
Speaker 2: And you're on radio.

10
00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:24,439
Speaker 1: Okay, So tell me about Whinston.

11
00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:26,120
Speaker 3: Peter's a bit grouchy in Parliament today.

12
00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:28,440
Speaker 2: Well, you know, it was feisty and he was at

13
00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:31,440
Speaker 2: the center of it all. I've got to say it

14
00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:34,839
Speaker 2: was to the foe defending his sidekick Shane Jones, who

15
00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:39,320
Speaker 2: was poking borax at Labour leader Chris Hipkins leaving tomorrow

16
00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:44,680
Speaker 2: for the British Labor Party conference in Liverpool. Frustrated Peters

17
00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:47,760
Speaker 2: was raising issue with the Speaker, Jerry Brownly about what

18
00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:50,920
Speaker 2: the debate has been reduced to in Parliament. Here's the

19
00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:52,640
Speaker 2: borax poking Jones.

20
00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:56,640
Speaker 1: How does a trip to London by a parliamentarian.

21
00:00:55,840 --> 00:01:00,200
Speaker 4: Seeking economic and political salvation contribute to the reduction of

22
00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:02,080
Speaker 4: global emissions?

23
00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:05,440
Speaker 3: I'm not sap their questions for all the run this figure.

24
00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:08,800
Speaker 3: This is a parliament where you're allowed to debate ideas

25
00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:11,920
Speaker 3: and concepts, and it's a very innocent question as to

26
00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:15,319
Speaker 3: whether our country's carbon footprint is enhanced by this needless

27
00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:18,240
Speaker 3: travel or not. The arbiter of whether or not a

28
00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:20,080
Speaker 3: question can be asked is actually the speaker, and I'll

29
00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:22,920
Speaker 3: see that one can't be No, no, don't argue said.

30
00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:27,120
Speaker 3: The arbiter is not the speaker's personality. It is tradition

31
00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:30,759
Speaker 3: and precedent. And I'm afraid this parliament is being accuse

32
00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:35,000
Speaker 3: the words, but as being negatived by unfair rulings. This

33
00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:37,840
Speaker 3: is a place of raging war in terms of political

34
00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:40,280
Speaker 3: ideas and debate. We welcome it. We're one of the

35
00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:45,240
Speaker 3: world's great democracies. So please don't spoil that development yet.

36
00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:47,960
Speaker 2: Now, I know you looked up negotide and it is

37
00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:52,440
Speaker 2: a word. It basically means the negative aspect of what

38
00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:53,680
Speaker 2: parliament has become.

39
00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:56,080
Speaker 1: I see, okay, I've never heard.

40
00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:58,240
Speaker 2: Of it, and I probably did what you were about

41
00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:00,760
Speaker 2: to do was look it up and see what it

42
00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:03,200
Speaker 2: did really mean. I thought, hello, Winston's.

43
00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:04,200
Speaker 1: Not he does have a good vocabulary.

44
00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:05,560
Speaker 2: He has an excellent voc.

45
00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:08,920
Speaker 3: Then he got grumpy at somebody else.

46
00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:13,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, the debate went essentially from bad to worse, and

47
00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:17,239
Speaker 2: Winston was at the center of it again taking exception

48
00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:23,120
Speaker 2: to a Maori Party MP. Takuta. Ferris's electoral success, you

49
00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:26,560
Speaker 2: will remember last year was one of the surprises of

50
00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:31,040
Speaker 2: the campaign. His win was unexpected. The family of the incumbent,

51
00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:36,520
Speaker 2: Reno Terrakutani. They've held the Tea Titanga electorate for seventy

52
00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:40,440
Speaker 2: two of the last ninety one years, which is extraordinary.

53
00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:44,200
Speaker 2: And this man came along and he won the seat,

54
00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:47,200
Speaker 2: but landed himself in hot water this afternoon when he

55
00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:51,560
Speaker 2: pointed the finger at the dishonesty of politicians. Ferris denies.

56
00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:55,320
Speaker 2: He claimed politicians were liars. But you ever listen and

57
00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:56,160
Speaker 2: see what you think.

58
00:02:56,600 --> 00:03:01,640
Speaker 4: Politicians call this obsification the art of making something unclear,

59
00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:07,840
Speaker 4: intentionally vague, ambiguous, to conceal or obscure the truth, to

60
00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:11,920
Speaker 4: confuse others lies. In other words, many in this house

61
00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:14,720
Speaker 4: are masters of it, and it is a disservice to

62
00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:18,920
Speaker 4: those who voted you into your positions. Well, unless, of course, it.

63
00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:21,320
Speaker 3: Is simply not acceptable for someone that in experienced as

64
00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:24,640
Speaker 3: he is too nevertheless accuse some other MPs to keep

65
00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:26,120
Speaker 3: quite when I'm making a point of all. All right,

66
00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:29,320
Speaker 3: he made the allegation that members of his parliament liars.

67
00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:31,200
Speaker 3: He should have been stopped on the tracks right then,

68
00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:33,919
Speaker 3: My apologies, I didn't quite pick that up. But if

69
00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:36,800
Speaker 3: that is what the members said, then he should withdraw

70
00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:39,600
Speaker 3: and apologize as quickly as possible.

71
00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:40,920
Speaker 4: I haven't made that statement.

72
00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:45,080
Speaker 1: It just called a lie. So he called them lies,

73
00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:46,440
Speaker 1: and then he told a lie, and he.

74
00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:46,880
Speaker 2: Told a lie.

75
00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:51,360
Speaker 1: I thought, come on, mate, And he was reading from

76
00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:54,600
Speaker 1: written notes, which don't usually do in a general debate,

77
00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:57,560
Speaker 1: so he's reading off a computer, so he knew full

78
00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:04,520
Speaker 1: well a sentence before he had called politicians lascation of

79
00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:07,000
Speaker 1: the scation. I think I was going to say, did

80
00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:09,760
Speaker 1: you google that? Did you see if there is such opsifocation?

81
00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:13,560
Speaker 2: So obviously all mate doesn't have a good vocabulary, not

82
00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:16,400
Speaker 2: a great vocabulary. And to me, he made a tit

83
00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:18,880
Speaker 2: of himself by doing what he did, and he deserves

84
00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:20,840
Speaker 2: all the probrium and he gets. And I'll tell you

85
00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:26,480
Speaker 2: what probium did I say o proprium what I'll tell

86
00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:28,480
Speaker 2: you what? He will be in hot water for this

87
00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:32,839
Speaker 2: because he got up straight away said he didn't do it. Well, sorry,

88
00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:35,720
Speaker 2: the rules of Parliament you can't do that. So he'll

89
00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:38,440
Speaker 2: be either forced to apologize or he'll go to the

90
00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:41,080
Speaker 2: Privileges committed. So he just got his first banking from Winston,

91
00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:42,920
Speaker 2: didn't he most certainly did.

92
00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:44,760
Speaker 3: He enjoyed it. I get Barry, Thank you very much,

93
00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:45,400
Speaker 3: appreciate it.

94
00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:47,800
Speaker 1: Bary Soper, Senior political correspondent, Eight Away from Five.

95
00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:51,680
Speaker 3: For more from Hither Duplessy Alan Drive, listen live to

96
00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:54,799
Speaker 3: news talks. It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow

97
00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:56,560
Speaker 3: the podcast on iHeartRadio