WEBVTT - On The Front Foot Episode 217: Should cricket teams allow injury subs? 0:00:09.093 --> 0:00:11.973 You're listening to a podcast from News Talk Sat B. 0:00:12.373 --> 0:00:15.173 Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on 0:00:15.333 --> 0:00:21.053 iHeart Radio. 0:00:20.573 --> 0:00:25.933 Yeah, taken on the Patrick. It is out, the test 0:00:26.053 --> 0:00:31.093 is over. Couldn't the smoke wows a beauty? It is 0:00:31.093 --> 0:00:32.933 out and here he goes. 0:00:33.013 --> 0:00:35.053 This delivery has in the users. 0:00:34.853 --> 0:00:40.773 Evolved on the front foot where Brian Waddell and Jeremy 0:00:40.773 --> 0:00:45.293 Cody powered by News Talks head B at iHeart Radio. 0:00:47.133 --> 0:00:49.133 Hi, there, We're on the front foot once again. Nice 0:00:49.173 --> 0:00:51.773 to be with you. Should we have worries about the 0:00:51.773 --> 0:00:55.813 potential test cross de bects. We produce our eighteen as 0:00:55.853 --> 0:00:59.573 accounted for Bangladesh in their conditions, and we also learned 0:00:59.613 --> 0:01:02.013 what the black Caps might face when they tours in 0:01:02.133 --> 0:01:06.573 Babwe despite the heavy wind as England being able to 0:01:06.613 --> 0:01:10.053 sort out its first eleven for the upcoming Indian series. 0:01:11.093 --> 0:01:14.213 We've froken often in the past about more opportunities for 0:01:14.253 --> 0:01:17.493 out developing CRICKETERSM and the touring environment as well, and 0:01:17.533 --> 0:01:19.613 the reason has been supported by the New Zealand A 0:01:19.733 --> 0:01:22.253 side of Magladesh. Is it fair to believe that our 0:01:22.253 --> 0:01:26.613 future black Caps are gained correct preparation and most on 0:01:26.693 --> 0:01:29.573 that tour Jerry. It's an interesting question, isn't it. 0:01:30.453 --> 0:01:33.773 Yeah, there's high words. Look, I think if we look 0:01:33.773 --> 0:01:39.413 at the last two sides, one to Australia now this 0:01:39.493 --> 0:01:45.293 one to Bangladesh, I think they've performed pretty well, haven't 0:01:45.333 --> 0:01:49.333 they against what have been quite strong sides. Australia always strong, 0:01:50.133 --> 0:01:54.253 doesn't matter what team you play against, and this one 0:01:54.293 --> 0:01:58.413 had again a lot of Test players playing against them, 0:01:58.933 --> 0:02:03.333 and they've been both sides have performed pretty well, I think. 0:02:03.413 --> 0:02:06.453 I mean, of that side that played in Australia Awards 0:02:06.453 --> 0:02:10.373 that was twenty twenty three to twenty war, ten of 0:02:10.413 --> 0:02:14.893 the fifteen players have since played for New Zealand. 0:02:16.413 --> 0:02:18.373 Now that's not bad, is it? Now? Three of them in. 0:02:18.453 --> 0:02:22.733 Tests and the rest obviously in white ball. And I 0:02:22.813 --> 0:02:29.973 think as the franchise money grows and lures away our 0:02:30.053 --> 0:02:36.453 top players, New Zealand just you know, just practically they 0:02:36.613 --> 0:02:40.413 need a wider base of players to call upon, don't they. 0:02:40.453 --> 0:02:46.213 I mean, that's that's pretty obvious. And this side played 0:02:46.253 --> 0:02:50.733 their part. I thought a more developmental side than that 0:02:50.773 --> 0:02:54.173 one that went to Australia. We don't have players like Cooper, 0:02:54.973 --> 0:02:59.253 Henry Cooper and Celia tom Bruce who we seem to 0:02:59.333 --> 0:03:03.453 have lost a but now Cam Fletcher was the keeper 0:03:03.453 --> 0:03:04.613 in that team and he went. 0:03:04.853 --> 0:03:07.093 He had already been to England on a tour. 0:03:07.453 --> 0:03:12.173 Ajs for Jacob Duffy was there, Ashok and O'Rourke was there. 0:03:12.253 --> 0:03:16.453 So that was that was quite a strong side. This one. 0:03:17.253 --> 0:03:21.253 This one slightly less, I would say, wouldn't you a 0:03:21.373 --> 0:03:25.853 Heape Carter Carthur have been to India, of course, but 0:03:26.133 --> 0:03:28.933 you know Dale Phillips and Matt Boyle. 0:03:30.173 --> 0:03:30.693 Lennox. 0:03:30.733 --> 0:03:33.733 We hadn't seen much of Christian Clark. We haven't seen 0:03:33.813 --> 0:03:37.813 much of so more developmental I think was But at 0:03:37.893 --> 0:03:43.213 the moment both those sides are saying, yeah, if we 0:03:43.333 --> 0:03:45.293 keep developing these players. 0:03:44.893 --> 0:03:45.413 We have to. 0:03:46.333 --> 0:03:46.893 We have to. 0:03:47.573 --> 0:03:50.293 But we're kna doing the job and the development is 0:03:50.333 --> 0:03:51.053 sort of working. 0:03:51.293 --> 0:03:54.973 Brian Waddell Jeremy Cooney on the front foot. 0:03:55.293 --> 0:03:57.853 Last season, the New Zealand A side went to Australia 0:03:58.013 --> 0:04:01.693 and won the first class matches to noil different eleven 0:04:01.733 --> 0:04:05.093 returns from Bangladesh one nil when in a series that 0:04:05.253 --> 0:04:09.533 was weather interrupted but also produced some manding conditions for 0:04:09.573 --> 0:04:13.053 the players before they went away. High performance coach Paul 0:04:13.093 --> 0:04:16.733 Wiseman previewed the series and what they could expect. He 0:04:16.813 --> 0:04:21.093 returns home surely a happy man and rejoins on the 0:04:21.133 --> 0:04:23.893 front foot. And you must have been pretty happy with 0:04:24.373 --> 0:04:28.533 the performance of the side overall. Did the results meet 0:04:28.613 --> 0:04:30.373 or exceed your expectations? 0:04:30.693 --> 0:04:33.213 We probably didn't really go over there looking so much 0:04:33.533 --> 0:04:39.773 at results on the field. These tools from a New 0:04:39.853 --> 0:04:43.413 Zealand creeket perspective around development and result. 0:04:43.493 --> 0:04:45.573 You know, winning the. 0:04:45.733 --> 0:04:51.013 Four day Test matches series was obviously great to great 0:04:51.013 --> 0:04:53.453 to see the boys play so well and get a 0:04:53.493 --> 0:04:57.493 really cool col win there and select. But like I said, 0:04:57.493 --> 0:05:00.413 it's more about the development and the learning of the 0:05:00.413 --> 0:05:04.373 players and prepping them for future tools of the sub continent, 0:05:04.373 --> 0:05:06.693 whether it be with another A team or with a 0:05:06.693 --> 0:05:09.493 bit of luck with the future Caps teams. 0:05:09.853 --> 0:05:12.933 Yeah, and of course you are playing your full fifteen squad. 0:05:12.973 --> 0:05:14.573 It's not as if you can have an eleven and 0:05:14.693 --> 0:05:19.533 four there to be basically selected for injury stuff. You're 0:05:19.573 --> 0:05:21.493 playing every member of your squad, aren't you. 0:05:22.493 --> 0:05:26.373 Yeah, every player played three, four or five games over there. 0:05:27.413 --> 0:05:29.693 It was never about trying to put our best team 0:05:29.733 --> 0:05:30.693 out or anything like that. 0:05:30.773 --> 0:05:32.013 It was just trying to give. 0:05:31.933 --> 0:05:35.573 Everyone at least one four day and at least two 0:05:36.333 --> 0:05:40.693 two one day, So that worked out pretty nicely and 0:05:41.013 --> 0:05:43.573 everyone got a pretty reasonable crack at it, which is 0:05:43.693 --> 0:05:44.813 exactly what we were after. 0:05:45.133 --> 0:05:46.733 Yeah, and it's difficult at this time of the year, 0:05:46.813 --> 0:05:48.133 or over in that part of the world at this 0:05:48.213 --> 0:05:49.533 time of the year. But I was sort of left 0:05:49.533 --> 0:05:53.533 with a feeling after that last innings that one more 0:05:53.613 --> 0:05:56.413 game would have really capped things off, because the batsman 0:05:57.093 --> 0:05:58.893 just seemed to be hitting this tide. 0:05:59.173 --> 0:06:01.893 Yeah, yeah, I think we probably got caught on the 0:06:01.893 --> 0:06:04.093 hop a little bit in that first the first couple 0:06:04.093 --> 0:06:04.413 of one. 0:06:04.333 --> 0:06:05.693 Days, we probably didn't read the pitch. 0:06:06.573 --> 0:06:07.933 Pitch is quite right. 0:06:08.453 --> 0:06:10.773 We had very early starts at like nine am, and 0:06:11.093 --> 0:06:13.973 the pitchers were probably a bit tacky and probably in 0:06:13.973 --> 0:06:16.813 select the wickets a little bit more similar to to 0:06:17.093 --> 0:06:22.253 our conditions to start with. But the guys, the guys 0:06:22.733 --> 0:06:26.173 learned quickly, trained hard, and you know, the four days, 0:06:28.053 --> 0:06:29.933 you know, the class of some of our players started 0:06:29.973 --> 0:06:30.533 to come through. 0:06:30.573 --> 0:06:32.093 And yeah, it would have been lovely to have. 0:06:32.093 --> 0:06:34.933 Probably one more day and ducker because we lost quite 0:06:34.973 --> 0:06:37.773 a lot, a lot of quite a few overs to rain. 0:06:37.853 --> 0:06:39.933 And then, like you said, if we've been able to 0:06:39.973 --> 0:06:42.053 have three four days that would have been That would 0:06:42.053 --> 0:06:43.853 have been very cool as well, because the players were 0:06:43.893 --> 0:06:46.493 just on and upward trajectory the whole way through. 0:06:46.533 --> 0:06:48.813 So that was that was the really pleasing thing. 0:06:49.013 --> 0:06:50.373 You knew you were going to be in for tough 0:06:50.413 --> 0:06:54.813 conditions and they looked pretty tough both for batsman and bowlers, 0:06:54.853 --> 0:06:57.933 although the bowlers probably came out better in the end result. 0:06:58.293 --> 0:07:01.253 Yeah, yeah, there were We never probably got the extreme 0:07:01.373 --> 0:07:03.733 spinning conditions that were probably hoping. 0:07:03.493 --> 0:07:04.613 For at the start of the series. 0:07:05.533 --> 0:07:08.573 That's where you really want to see our batters get 0:07:08.653 --> 0:07:13.053 challenged in conditions they're not used to. But I think 0:07:13.173 --> 0:07:16.973 all in all, the conditions in terms of the heat, 0:07:17.013 --> 0:07:22.693 the humidity, you know, dealing with different foods, which was 0:07:22.693 --> 0:07:25.533 actually the food was outstanding over there. We looked after 0:07:25.573 --> 0:07:28.253 so well by Bangladesh cricket, but you know, we came 0:07:28.333 --> 0:07:30.653 up against some very good opposition. I think in that 0:07:30.693 --> 0:07:36.133 first first four day Test match we played, the Bangladesh 0:07:36.213 --> 0:07:39.413 side had like eighty something Test caps and there to 0:07:39.853 --> 0:07:41.773 our nuns. So to get over there and have a 0:07:41.813 --> 0:07:46.173 win against them select with a really exciting finish, it 0:07:46.213 --> 0:07:49.773 was really good, really great experience for the boys and 0:07:49.813 --> 0:07:51.773 the sort of pad on the back for all the 0:07:51.773 --> 0:07:53.813 hard work that they've been putting in over the seasons, 0:07:53.853 --> 0:07:58.173 and hopefully some recognition from from above to say these 0:07:58.173 --> 0:08:01.813 guys are ready, you know, when selected and if those 0:08:02.053 --> 0:08:04.933 opportunities come along, I think a number of them will 0:08:05.693 --> 0:08:08.093 will step into the next level seamlessly. 0:08:08.693 --> 0:08:11.253 Yeah. Pretty much through that whole squad, You've got potential 0:08:11.333 --> 0:08:12.973 test match players in the future, haven't you. 0:08:13.733 --> 0:08:14.253 I think so. 0:08:14.373 --> 0:08:15.053 Yeah. 0:08:15.613 --> 0:08:21.213 I think with bat pace and spin keepers as well, 0:08:21.413 --> 0:08:25.893 everyone sort of pretty much everyone contributed throughout the series 0:08:26.053 --> 0:08:30.053 and looked looked as much as you can at ease 0:08:30.093 --> 0:08:32.253 and those conditions they were hard. 0:08:32.253 --> 0:08:34.133 That was very, very hot and very humid. 0:08:35.093 --> 0:08:36.973 You know, it's the start of the rainy season over there, 0:08:37.013 --> 0:08:38.653 so the humidity is as bad as high as it 0:08:38.693 --> 0:08:40.853 can get until it starts raining. 0:08:41.533 --> 0:08:46.093 So yeah, yeah, I just I think the future. 0:08:45.813 --> 0:08:48.493 New Zealand cricket is in good hand at the stage. 0:08:49.093 --> 0:08:51.573 We've obviously got another a tour coming up to South Africa, 0:08:51.613 --> 0:08:56.733 which may see some some different personnel due to conditions 0:08:56.733 --> 0:09:00.453 and things, but I think whoever goes there will well 0:09:01.053 --> 0:09:02.253 all stand up well as well. 0:09:03.013 --> 0:09:07.173 You had an interesting mix of players, particularly an area 0:09:07.173 --> 0:09:11.533 of your expertise. He's spin bowling. We saw a bit 0:09:11.533 --> 0:09:13.693 more of Dean Foxcroft than we might have seen in 0:09:13.733 --> 0:09:17.293 the past. We saw Ashok and Lennox, and there were 0:09:17.293 --> 0:09:20.333 a couple of others who who whisperers. How did they 0:09:20.373 --> 0:09:22.093 progress in your mind? 0:09:22.653 --> 0:09:24.773 Really well? I mean Foxy took his chances. 0:09:24.813 --> 0:09:30.253 He wasn't initially selected in that squad and then got 0:09:30.253 --> 0:09:34.533 picked in the last minute. Was each Sodie being injured 0:09:34.693 --> 0:09:37.493 unfortunately for him, so Foxy got his chance. He was 0:09:37.533 --> 0:09:40.333 picked more as on that tour to replace more as 0:09:40.333 --> 0:09:42.493 a bowler that can bat and obviously he took his 0:09:42.613 --> 0:09:45.173 chance with the bat in particular in some of the 0:09:45.213 --> 0:09:48.213 one days and four d are as well. Showed the 0:09:48.253 --> 0:09:50.693 fight and the skill he has with the bat. And 0:09:50.773 --> 0:09:53.253 I think he's learned a lot on the tour with 0:09:53.333 --> 0:09:54.533 regards to bowling. 0:09:55.253 --> 0:09:57.973 Showed some real skills in the one day games and. 0:09:59.693 --> 0:10:02.573 Probably didn't get as many opportunities in four as as 0:10:02.693 --> 0:10:05.813 perhaps he would have liked, but looks a threat when 0:10:05.853 --> 0:10:09.693 the pictures start to turn. Jaydan Lennox was I thought 0:10:09.693 --> 0:10:15.373 outstanding throughout one days in the four days, his accuracy, 0:10:15.573 --> 0:10:19.173 if he's not in the top few, most accurate bowls 0:10:19.173 --> 0:10:22.413 in the world. I'd say, I don't know who who 0:10:22.693 --> 0:10:27.333 goes ahead of him, and he's just got an appetite 0:10:27.333 --> 0:10:28.293 for learning. 0:10:29.453 --> 0:10:31.693 And really put his hand up on that tour. 0:10:31.733 --> 0:10:35.973 I think Eddie obviously came in and bob beautifully in 0:10:36.013 --> 0:10:39.733 the last last session in the board ay game and 0:10:40.333 --> 0:10:44.773 along with with Leno created a pretty cool partnership to 0:10:44.853 --> 0:10:47.413 year where they they took those eight wickets on the 0:10:47.493 --> 0:10:51.253 last day and got the win for us, which was brilliant. 0:10:51.293 --> 0:10:53.973 And then we had a couple of guys that are 0:10:53.973 --> 0:10:55.573 trying to be more than part time, isn't it? And 0:10:55.613 --> 0:10:59.453 I think Camby and Dale Phillips and Matt Boyle so 0:11:00.573 --> 0:11:03.373 great learning for all those guys, both training and in 0:11:03.413 --> 0:11:04.573 the game time that they got. 0:11:05.413 --> 0:11:08.613 You wouldn't take quite the number of spinners perhaps to 0:11:09.053 --> 0:11:12.093 South Africa expecting different conditions, but there's still a part 0:11:12.133 --> 0:11:15.613 for them to play in the South African conditions, isn't there? 0:11:16.613 --> 0:11:16.773 Oh? 0:11:16.813 --> 0:11:20.093 Without doubt, And we also want to expose these spinners 0:11:20.093 --> 0:11:23.413 to two different conditions, probably a bit closer to our ons, 0:11:23.453 --> 0:11:28.613 but it's still international cricket and albeit at the at 0:11:28.653 --> 0:11:30.853 a level will be quality, it will be no doubt 0:11:30.853 --> 0:11:34.613 a quality South African eighteen, but you know there may 0:11:34.613 --> 0:11:36.373 be a bit more balanced, might be more cracks and 0:11:36.413 --> 0:11:38.573 wickets and all those sorts of things. You just have 0:11:38.653 --> 0:11:41.373 to adjust. And that that's I think was probably one 0:11:41.373 --> 0:11:43.133 of the most pleasing things of this tour, not just 0:11:43.173 --> 0:11:45.573 for the spinner, as bad as pace and keepers, is 0:11:46.093 --> 0:11:48.253 how quickly we were able to assess and adapt to 0:11:48.333 --> 0:11:52.733 conditions because they were different in every game and thinking 0:11:52.773 --> 0:11:54.773 on their feet, not knowing the opposition as well as 0:11:54.813 --> 0:11:59.133 they might the domestic players back home. So for them 0:11:59.173 --> 0:12:02.893 to do that as quickly and as definitely as they did, 0:12:03.733 --> 0:12:07.613 you know, that speaks volumes to the cricket they're playing 0:12:07.653 --> 0:12:11.813 back here, coaching they're getting back here, and just as 0:12:11.853 --> 0:12:14.533 sort of players they are, they're just so eager to 0:12:14.613 --> 0:12:17.973 learn and train, and you know, sometimes coaches were having 0:12:17.973 --> 0:12:19.333 to pull them back a little bit because of the 0:12:19.373 --> 0:12:22.773 heat and everything. They just wanted to keep going and 0:12:22.653 --> 0:12:25.053 and we just know how how hard these tours can be, 0:12:25.253 --> 0:12:28.413 so you know, really pleasing signs. 0:12:29.973 --> 0:12:32.293 Yeah, you talked about the quality of the pictures and 0:12:32.333 --> 0:12:35.213 the difficulties that they faced, and of course the strength 0:12:35.253 --> 0:12:37.813 of the Bankadest side. You mentioned they did have some 0:12:37.893 --> 0:12:40.893 good players. Their seam attack seemed pretty useful and they 0:12:40.893 --> 0:12:44.533 were able to pick up wickets and their spinners. How 0:12:44.533 --> 0:12:48.653 did you feel the batsmen played against the spinners in 0:12:48.773 --> 0:12:52.493 terms of their ability to manipulate the field and accumulate 0:12:52.573 --> 0:12:55.693 runs rather than they say, wait for the bad ball. 0:12:55.613 --> 0:12:56.373 And dispatch it. 0:12:56.853 --> 0:13:01.053 Did they build their batting skills to that form of 0:13:01.093 --> 0:13:01.413 the game. 0:13:02.653 --> 0:13:05.653 Yeah, I said, we had lots of conversations and and 0:13:05.973 --> 0:13:08.933 like you said, some really good quality training at Lincoln 0:13:08.933 --> 0:13:11.053 where we can sort of manufacture pitches a little bit 0:13:11.093 --> 0:13:16.013 to turn and things, and guys went over there with 0:13:16.013 --> 0:13:18.813 with plans which you have to have, and then, like 0:13:18.853 --> 0:13:21.053 I said before, you've got to be able to adapt 0:13:21.093 --> 0:13:24.293 plans and and perhaps you know, the one days, we 0:13:24.333 --> 0:13:27.173 probably didn't get the conditions we thought, and it took 0:13:27.253 --> 0:13:29.213 us a little bit of time, but you know, we 0:13:29.613 --> 0:13:32.013 came pretty strong in the back end of that series. 0:13:34.173 --> 0:13:38.773 And you know the strength of the Bangladeshi spinners as 0:13:38.893 --> 0:13:41.413 they're accurate and they don't give you too many bad balls. 0:13:41.413 --> 0:13:45.213 So I was very pleased. I'm sure Bob Carter was 0:13:45.253 --> 0:13:47.013 in the way that the guys. 0:13:48.333 --> 0:13:50.773 Back their defense when they needed it, but also we're 0:13:50.813 --> 0:13:55.053 able to put some some heat back on the Bangladeshi spinners. 0:13:55.093 --> 0:13:57.373 But in the ways they attacked, and they're all different. 0:13:57.413 --> 0:13:59.173 Some guys used their feet and came down the work, 0:13:59.173 --> 0:14:03.813 and some guys swept, But every single one of them. 0:14:03.813 --> 0:14:05.573 We talked to them at the at the end of 0:14:05.613 --> 0:14:08.333 the last four day game that no matter how they're 0:14:08.653 --> 0:14:13.853 tour had gone from a on field performance perspective, every 0:14:13.893 --> 0:14:16.533 player will come back a better player. It just takes 0:14:16.573 --> 0:14:19.013 a little bit of time sometimes for them to realize 0:14:19.213 --> 0:14:24.173 how much they've learned on a tool like this. So yeah, 0:14:24.213 --> 0:14:26.213 I think, you know, the more sort of tools we 0:14:26.253 --> 0:14:30.613 can have like this in these sort of conditions. These 0:14:30.733 --> 0:14:33.173 all of them reflected back and said, next time I 0:14:33.213 --> 0:14:36.333 come here, I know my starting point. I know my 0:14:36.413 --> 0:14:39.053 game plan will be even closer to what it needs 0:14:39.093 --> 0:14:41.573 to be, so that'll be one step ahead when that 0:14:42.133 --> 0:14:43.213 chance comes along again. 0:14:44.693 --> 0:14:47.333 Yeah, I mean, I'm certainly one of those who likes 0:14:47.373 --> 0:14:50.733 the a concept and getting more opportunities for those players. 0:14:50.893 --> 0:14:54.413 I think the encouraging thing from a lot of people's 0:14:54.413 --> 0:14:57.813 point of view will be the fact that it's highlighting 0:14:58.053 --> 0:15:01.093 the value of our development program that we have a 0:15:01.133 --> 0:15:04.653 program through the age groups and the developer that is 0:15:05.573 --> 0:15:10.333 preparing players for the higher levels that they're going to play. 0:15:10.933 --> 0:15:12.653 Yeah, I think, you know, a big shout out has 0:15:12.693 --> 0:15:16.133 to go to the mas, the coaches and the systems 0:15:16.133 --> 0:15:17.253 that are getting put in place. 0:15:18.453 --> 0:15:20.453 None of it's perfect, and none of it ever will be. 0:15:20.533 --> 0:15:23.013 But I think one thing we are doing is working 0:15:23.013 --> 0:15:26.573 pretty well together collaboratively. I think we've got a strong, 0:15:26.853 --> 0:15:30.613 healthy domestic competition, which is great, and it just shows 0:15:30.653 --> 0:15:33.013 that nearly all these players when they are getting the 0:15:33.133 --> 0:15:35.493 chance to go up to the black Cats, are succeeding 0:15:35.493 --> 0:15:39.173 straight away and putting pressure on the on the incumbents. 0:15:39.213 --> 0:15:42.373 So the more of these A tours we can have, 0:15:43.013 --> 0:15:44.933 you know, the more we can expose these players to 0:15:45.133 --> 0:15:49.773 the conditions and touring life, then the more times the 0:15:49.813 --> 0:15:52.733 greater depth we build, and the more times these players 0:15:52.773 --> 0:15:55.613 are going to step up straight away, which is obviously 0:15:55.613 --> 0:15:56.173 what we need. 0:15:56.933 --> 0:15:59.093 Well, I hope we have the same luck in terms 0:15:59.133 --> 0:16:00.813 of coverage, because it was nice to be able to 0:16:00.853 --> 0:16:03.773 see it on the internet back here. The commentary you 0:16:03.853 --> 0:16:06.893 left a little bit to be desired, but that's not unexpected. 0:16:06.973 --> 0:16:10.573 We didn't expect too much English commentary, but it was 0:16:10.933 --> 0:16:12.853 nice to be able to have water wall cricket to 0:16:12.853 --> 0:16:15.613 watch at a good time, and hopefully we can see 0:16:15.613 --> 0:16:18.893 that when the side is in South Africa. Otherwise we're 0:16:18.893 --> 0:16:20.573 going to have to call you. Hopefully you'll be on 0:16:20.613 --> 0:16:20.893 the tour. 0:16:22.013 --> 0:16:23.213 I'm not sure I'll be on that one. 0:16:23.293 --> 0:16:26.253 We might have I think Graham Aldridge might be on 0:16:26.293 --> 0:16:29.293 that one helping out with the quicks. So we like 0:16:29.333 --> 0:16:31.373 to swap things around a little bit and you know, 0:16:31.453 --> 0:16:36.853 give both players and coaches experiences in those places, so 0:16:36.853 --> 0:16:39.013 we'll see what happens there. But yeah, like you say, 0:16:39.053 --> 0:16:41.973 hopefully there's some really good coverage. 0:16:41.573 --> 0:16:43.773 There and maybe once you get over there and do 0:16:43.813 --> 0:16:44.413 a little bit more. 0:16:46.733 --> 0:16:48.933 Yeah, I'm probably a bit past that, or they're probably 0:16:49.253 --> 0:16:53.173 past me. But yeah, it's nice to be able to 0:16:53.213 --> 0:16:55.733 see that sort of cricket. I mean, that's the important 0:16:55.733 --> 0:16:58.893 thing that we get an opportunity to look at cricket 0:16:58.933 --> 0:17:02.173 because there's a lot of people interested in the development 0:17:02.173 --> 0:17:04.413 phase and they don't know a lot about these players, 0:17:04.413 --> 0:17:06.933 although they're starting to come to the forefront, aren't they. 0:17:06.973 --> 0:17:09.813 When you look at the like of Nick Kelly and 0:17:09.853 --> 0:17:12.213 what he was able to achieve and such like. 0:17:13.773 --> 0:17:16.213 Look, Nick and a number of the players over there 0:17:16.733 --> 0:17:22.693 had some outstanding series and they've only enhanced their credibility. 0:17:24.213 --> 0:17:28.013 I think black Caps selectors and coaches should be really, 0:17:28.413 --> 0:17:31.293 really pleased with the way this tour went, and hopefully 0:17:31.373 --> 0:17:33.813 the South African one as well, because it just shows 0:17:34.813 --> 0:17:38.013 and it shows the public. Like you say, it creates interest. 0:17:38.653 --> 0:17:40.253 When these players do come in and play for the 0:17:40.253 --> 0:17:42.293 black Caps, they've seen them before, and they've seen them 0:17:42.293 --> 0:17:45.893 in different situations and they start to become household names, 0:17:45.893 --> 0:17:47.733 which is, you know, what we want for the players 0:17:47.733 --> 0:17:50.853 and obviously the public. So yeah, the more we can 0:17:50.893 --> 0:17:55.493 have of this stuff for ever runners, it's it's awesome. 0:17:56.253 --> 0:17:59.253 Thanks for your tom mate. I appreciate it and hopefully 0:17:59.253 --> 0:17:59.933 you can do it again. 0:18:00.773 --> 0:18:03.253 Leisure Odds look forward to it well. 0:18:03.293 --> 0:18:07.733 A very good reflective analysis from Wiseman, pretty matter of 0:18:07.773 --> 0:18:12.253 factur not getting too carried away happy to talk about 0:18:12.333 --> 0:18:16.653 the inadequacies, the shortcomings that players might have noticed on 0:18:16.653 --> 0:18:18.933 the tour, and we all noticed those. That always happens, 0:18:19.413 --> 0:18:21.613 but they've obviously done the work to get through it, 0:18:21.653 --> 0:18:24.773 and I think the results speak for themselves, don't they. 0:18:24.573 --> 0:18:29.253 They they won the first first class game, and to me, 0:18:29.373 --> 0:18:32.693 that's the ones that matter. I know that white ball 0:18:32.733 --> 0:18:35.173 cricket is an important part of the game these days, 0:18:35.573 --> 0:18:39.413 but you know, I still judge players and skills and 0:18:39.453 --> 0:18:43.133 techniques on their first class cricket. They did that to 0:18:43.133 --> 0:18:46.813 Australia to nil. They drew one and got a first 0:18:46.813 --> 0:18:49.133 innings advantage in a rain effected game in the second 0:18:49.173 --> 0:18:52.093 one in Bangladesh. You've got to be happy with that, 0:18:52.173 --> 0:18:52.493 don't you. 0:18:52.533 --> 0:18:57.093 Jerry Oh, I think so, And I think that's Paul Wiseman. 0:18:58.173 --> 0:19:01.493 Was happy, wasn't he. It makes it a lot easier 0:19:01.493 --> 0:19:04.893 and nicer interview for you. Have you asked him about 0:19:04.933 --> 0:19:07.213 the results and he said, well, they didn't really matter. 0:19:08.013 --> 0:19:10.813 And that's true to a certain extent, that you're there 0:19:10.853 --> 0:19:15.053 to develop players. But at the same time, it makes 0:19:15.053 --> 0:19:16.613 it a hell of a lot easier if you happen 0:19:16.693 --> 0:19:20.333 to be winning as well. And I think it was 0:19:20.373 --> 0:19:24.133 a jolly good experience for the players really, that last 0:19:24.573 --> 0:19:30.973 you know, a couple of weeks, strong opposition, different conditions. 0:19:31.013 --> 0:19:34.453 Not so much in the pictures, I thought was as 0:19:34.853 --> 0:19:40.133 Paul Wiseman said, they weren't aggressive turning pictures. They occasional 0:19:40.253 --> 0:19:43.653 bounce a bit more and because they start so early 0:19:43.773 --> 0:19:45.293 that he pointed out there was a wee bit of 0:19:45.333 --> 0:19:48.373 more movement, wasn't there, And he said they didn't make 0:19:48.413 --> 0:19:50.293 the right choices in some of the one day games 0:19:50.333 --> 0:19:53.573 about whether to batt or bold. But the heat and 0:19:53.613 --> 0:19:57.613 the humidity, that's quite a thing that the players have 0:19:57.693 --> 0:20:01.453 dealt with and I think therefore a different examination of 0:20:01.493 --> 0:20:04.293 the players and you just have to react to that 0:20:04.373 --> 0:20:06.293 as a player and learn from it. And I think 0:20:07.133 --> 0:20:10.013 this has been a very good tour for those players. 0:20:10.053 --> 0:20:11.533 I reckon, Yeah. 0:20:11.613 --> 0:20:14.933 The interesting point from my point of view is Carter 0:20:15.333 --> 0:20:18.933 has been in the side and was captain of the 0:20:19.693 --> 0:20:22.493 red ball team. He's scored one hundred in the last 0:20:22.493 --> 0:20:26.893 tour of India. Kelly's got a couple of hundreds. They're thirties, 0:20:27.133 --> 0:20:30.013 so they've got a good experience. I hope that they're 0:20:30.093 --> 0:20:35.893 not condemned those players to a lifetime of developing the 0:20:35.933 --> 0:20:38.853 young talent. I still believe that both players have got 0:20:39.173 --> 0:20:42.533 something to offer elsewhere, because you know, you look too 0:20:42.573 --> 0:20:44.453 at the rest of that side. There was Boil, there 0:20:44.493 --> 0:20:47.093 was hea Fe, there was Foxcroft who had a late 0:20:48.173 --> 0:20:50.333 inclusion on the side and he only got there because 0:20:50.533 --> 0:20:56.213 Ish Sody was injured. They've all staked a claim for saying, Hey, 0:20:56.493 --> 0:20:59.493 if there's one place to go, I want to take 0:20:59.493 --> 0:21:02.733 it in the black Caps too, or two Zimbabwe and 0:21:02.813 --> 0:21:03.413 South Africa. 0:21:03.773 --> 0:21:03.973 Yeah. 0:21:03.973 --> 0:21:06.213 Well, the thing about Carter and Kelly, of course, is 0:21:06.213 --> 0:21:09.973 that they are both top order players, and so they're 0:21:09.973 --> 0:21:13.613 the sorts of things we need if suddenly there's an 0:21:13.613 --> 0:21:17.573 injury to Williamson. He's had a few of those recently. Suddenly, 0:21:17.613 --> 0:21:20.813 if for some reason one of the openers can't play, 0:21:20.933 --> 0:21:25.333 or maybe a number four can't play, you know, they 0:21:25.413 --> 0:21:29.333 are sort of there and standing there and waiting and keen, 0:21:29.933 --> 0:21:32.493 and that's very important. I think one of the things 0:21:34.293 --> 0:21:38.973 that the tour that they've just undergone. They've learned about endurance, 0:21:39.053 --> 0:21:43.093 they've learned about concentration, and they've learned how to adapt. 0:21:43.733 --> 0:21:46.653 That's a word that Kane Williamson uses a lot, doesn't 0:21:46.653 --> 0:21:51.373 he to the conditions and he's quite right, and there was, 0:21:51.773 --> 0:21:55.733 you know, just a definite tick for attitude. I think 0:21:55.773 --> 0:21:58.333