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Speaker 3: Hi, there, We're on the front foot once again. Nice
Speaker 3: to be with you. Should we have worries about the
Speaker 3: potential test cross de bects. We produce our eighteen as
Speaker 3: accounted for Bangladesh in their conditions, and we also learned
Speaker 3: what the black Caps might face when they tours in
Speaker 3: Babwe despite the heavy wind as England being able to
Speaker 3: sort out its first eleven for the upcoming Indian series.
Speaker 3: We've froken often in the past about more opportunities for
Speaker 3: out developing CRICKETERSM and the touring environment as well, and
Speaker 3: the reason has been supported by the New Zealand A
Speaker 3: side of Magladesh. Is it fair to believe that our
Speaker 3: future black Caps are gained correct preparation and most on
Speaker 3: that tour Jerry. It's an interesting question, isn't it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's high words. Look, I think if we look
Speaker 5: at the last two sides, one to Australia now this
Speaker 5: one to Bangladesh, I think they've performed pretty well, haven't
Speaker 5: they against what have been quite strong sides. Australia always strong,
Speaker 5: doesn't matter what team you play against, and this one
Speaker 5: had again a lot of Test players playing against them,
Speaker 5: and they've been both sides have performed pretty well, I think.
Speaker 5: I mean, of that side that played in Australia Awards
Speaker 5: that was twenty twenty three to twenty war, ten of
Speaker 5: the fifteen players have since played for New Zealand.
Speaker 6: Now that's not bad, is it? Now? Three of them in.
Speaker 5: Tests and the rest obviously in white ball. And I
Speaker 5: think as the franchise money grows and lures away our
Speaker 5: top players, New Zealand just you know, just practically they
Speaker 5: need a wider base of players to call upon, don't they.
Speaker 5: I mean, that's that's pretty obvious. And this side played
Speaker 5: their part. I thought a more developmental side than that
Speaker 5: one that went to Australia. We don't have players like Cooper,
Speaker 5: Henry Cooper and Celia tom Bruce who we seem to
Speaker 5: have lost a but now Cam Fletcher was the keeper
Speaker 5: in that team and he went.
Speaker 6: He had already been to England on a tour.
Speaker 5: Ajs for Jacob Duffy was there, Ashok and O'Rourke was there.
Speaker 6: So that was that was quite a strong side. This one.
Speaker 5: This one slightly less, I would say, wouldn't you a
Speaker 5: Heape Carter Carthur have been to India, of course, but
Speaker 5: you know Dale Phillips and Matt Boyle.
Speaker 6: Lennox.
Speaker 5: We hadn't seen much of Christian Clark. We haven't seen
Speaker 5: much of so more developmental I think was But at
Speaker 5: the moment both those sides are saying, yeah, if we
Speaker 5: keep developing these players.
Speaker 3: We have to.
Speaker 7: We have to.
Speaker 6: But we're kna doing the job and the development is
Speaker 6: sort of working.
Speaker 1: Brian Waddell Jeremy Cooney on the front foot.
Speaker 3: Last season, the New Zealand A side went to Australia
Speaker 3: and won the first class matches to noil different eleven
Speaker 3: returns from Bangladesh one nil when in a series that
Speaker 3: was weather interrupted but also produced some manding conditions for
Speaker 3: the players before they went away. High performance coach Paul
Speaker 3: Wiseman previewed the series and what they could expect. He
Speaker 3: returns home surely a happy man and rejoins on the
Speaker 3: front foot. And you must have been pretty happy with
Speaker 3: the performance of the side overall. Did the results meet
Speaker 3: or exceed your expectations?
Speaker 8: We probably didn't really go over there looking so much
Speaker 8: at results on the field. These tools from a New
Speaker 8: Zealand creeket perspective around development and result.
Speaker 7: You know, winning the.
Speaker 8: Four day Test matches series was obviously great to great
Speaker 8: to see the boys play so well and get a
Speaker 8: really cool col win there and select. But like I said,
Speaker 8: it's more about the development and the learning of the
Speaker 8: players and prepping them for future tools of the sub continent,
Speaker 8: whether it be with another A team or with a
Speaker 8: bit of luck with the future Caps teams.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and of course you are playing your full fifteen squad.
Speaker 3: It's not as if you can have an eleven and
Speaker 3: four there to be basically selected for injury stuff. You're
Speaker 3: playing every member of your squad, aren't you.
Speaker 8: Yeah, every player played three, four or five games over there.
Speaker 8: It was never about trying to put our best team
Speaker 8: out or anything like that.
Speaker 7: It was just trying to give.
Speaker 8: Everyone at least one four day and at least two
Speaker 8: two one day, So that worked out pretty nicely and
Speaker 8: everyone got a pretty reasonable crack at it, which is
Speaker 8: exactly what we were after.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's difficult at this time of the year,
Speaker 3: or over in that part of the world at this
Speaker 3: time of the year. But I was sort of left
Speaker 3: with a feeling after that last innings that one more
Speaker 3: game would have really capped things off, because the batsman
Speaker 3: just seemed to be hitting this tide.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, I think we probably got caught on the
Speaker 8: hop a little bit in that first the first couple
Speaker 8: of one.
Speaker 7: Days, we probably didn't read the pitch.
Speaker 6: Pitch is quite right.
Speaker 8: We had very early starts at like nine am, and
Speaker 8: the pitchers were probably a bit tacky and probably in
Speaker 8: select the wickets a little bit more similar to to
Speaker 8: our conditions to start with. But the guys, the guys
Speaker 8: learned quickly, trained hard, and you know, the four days,
Speaker 8: you know, the class of some of our players started
Speaker 8: to come through.
Speaker 7: And yeah, it would have been lovely to have.
Speaker 8: Probably one more day and ducker because we lost quite
Speaker 8: a lot, a lot of quite a few overs to rain.
Speaker 8: And then, like you said, if we've been able to
Speaker 8: have three four days that would have been That would
Speaker 8: have been very cool as well, because the players were
Speaker 8: just on and upward trajectory the whole way through.
Speaker 7: So that was that was the really pleasing thing.
Speaker 3: You knew you were going to be in for tough
Speaker 3: conditions and they looked pretty tough both for batsman and bowlers,
Speaker 3: although the bowlers probably came out better in the end result.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, there were We never probably got the extreme
Speaker 8: spinning conditions that were probably hoping.
Speaker 7: For at the start of the series.
Speaker 8: That's where you really want to see our batters get
Speaker 8: challenged in conditions they're not used to. But I think
Speaker 8: all in all, the conditions in terms of the heat,
Speaker 8: the humidity, you know, dealing with different foods, which was
Speaker 8: actually the food was outstanding over there. We looked after
Speaker 8: so well by Bangladesh cricket, but you know, we came
Speaker 8: up against some very good opposition. I think in that
Speaker 8: first first four day Test match we played, the Bangladesh
Speaker 8: side had like eighty something Test caps and there to
Speaker 8: our nuns. So to get over there and have a
Speaker 8: win against them select with a really exciting finish, it
Speaker 8: was really good, really great experience for the boys and
Speaker 8: the sort of pad on the back for all the
Speaker 8: hard work that they've been putting in over the seasons,
Speaker 8: and hopefully some recognition from from above to say these
Speaker 8: guys are ready, you know, when selected and if those
Speaker 8: opportunities come along, I think a number of them will
Speaker 8: will step into the next level seamlessly.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Pretty much through that whole squad, You've got potential
Speaker 3: test match players in the future, haven't you.
Speaker 7: I think so.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 8: I think with bat pace and spin keepers as well,
Speaker 8: everyone sort of pretty much everyone contributed throughout the series
Speaker 8: and looked looked as much as you can at ease
Speaker 8: and those conditions they were hard.
Speaker 7: That was very, very hot and very humid.
Speaker 8: You know, it's the start of the rainy season over there,
Speaker 8: so the humidity is as bad as high as it
Speaker 8: can get until it starts raining.
Speaker 7: So yeah, yeah, I just I think the future.
Speaker 8: New Zealand cricket is in good hand at the stage.
Speaker 8: We've obviously got another a tour coming up to South Africa,
Speaker 8: which may see some some different personnel due to conditions
Speaker 8: and things, but I think whoever goes there will well
Speaker 8: all stand up well as well.
Speaker 3: You had an interesting mix of players, particularly an area
Speaker 3: of your expertise. He's spin bowling. We saw a bit
Speaker 3: more of Dean Foxcroft than we might have seen in
Speaker 3: the past. We saw Ashok and Lennox, and there were
Speaker 3: a couple of others who who whisperers. How did they
Speaker 3: progress in your mind?
Speaker 7: Really well? I mean Foxy took his chances.
Speaker 8: He wasn't initially selected in that squad and then got
Speaker 8: picked in the last minute. Was each Sodie being injured
Speaker 8: unfortunately for him, so Foxy got his chance. He was
Speaker 8: picked more as on that tour to replace more as
Speaker 8: a bowler that can bat and obviously he took his
Speaker 8: chance with the bat in particular in some of the
Speaker 8: one days and four d are as well. Showed the
Speaker 8: fight and the skill he has with the bat. And
Speaker 8: I think he's learned a lot on the tour with
Speaker 8: regards to bowling.
Speaker 7: Showed some real skills in the one day games and.
Speaker 8: Probably didn't get as many opportunities in four as as
Speaker 8: perhaps he would have liked, but looks a threat when
Speaker 8: the pictures start to turn. Jaydan Lennox was I thought
Speaker 8: outstanding throughout one days in the four days, his accuracy,
Speaker 8: if he's not in the top few, most accurate bowls
Speaker 8: in the world. I'd say, I don't know who who
Speaker 8: goes ahead of him, and he's just got an appetite
Speaker 8: for learning.
Speaker 7: And really put his hand up on that tour.
Speaker 8: I think Eddie obviously came in and bob beautifully in
Speaker 8: the last last session in the board ay game and
Speaker 8: along with with Leno created a pretty cool partnership to
Speaker 8: year where they they took those eight wickets on the
Speaker 8: last day and got the win for us, which was brilliant.
Speaker 8: And then we had a couple of guys that are
Speaker 8: trying to be more than part time, isn't it? And
Speaker 8: I think Camby and Dale Phillips and Matt Boyle so
Speaker 8: great learning for all those guys, both training and in
Speaker 8: the game time that they got.
Speaker 3: You wouldn't take quite the number of spinners perhaps to
Speaker 3: South Africa expecting different conditions, but there's still a part
Speaker 3: for them to play in the South African conditions, isn't there?
Speaker 7: Oh?
Speaker 8: Without doubt, And we also want to expose these spinners
Speaker 8: to two different conditions, probably a bit closer to our ons,
Speaker 8: but it's still international cricket and albeit at the at
Speaker 8: a level will be quality, it will be no doubt
Speaker 8: a quality South African eighteen, but you know there may
Speaker 8: be a bit more balanced, might be more cracks and
Speaker 8: wickets and all those sorts of things. You just have
Speaker 8: to adjust. And that that's I think was probably one
Speaker 8: of the most pleasing things of this tour, not just
Speaker 8: for the spinner, as bad as pace and keepers, is
Speaker 8: how quickly we were able to assess and adapt to
Speaker 8: conditions because they were different in every game and thinking
Speaker 8: on their feet, not knowing the opposition as well as
Speaker 8: they might the domestic players back home. So for them
Speaker 8: to do that as quickly and as definitely as they did,
Speaker 8: you know, that speaks volumes to the cricket they're playing
Speaker 8: back here, coaching they're getting back here, and just as
Speaker 8: sort of players they are, they're just so eager to
Speaker 8: learn and train, and you know, sometimes coaches were having
Speaker 8: to pull them back a little bit because of the
Speaker 8: heat and everything. They just wanted to keep going and
Speaker 8: and we just know how how hard these tours can be,
Speaker 8: so you know, really pleasing signs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you talked about the quality of the pictures and
Speaker 3: the difficulties that they faced, and of course the strength
Speaker 3: of the Bankadest side. You mentioned they did have some
Speaker 3: good players. Their seam attack seemed pretty useful and they
Speaker 3: were able to pick up wickets and their spinners. How
Speaker 3: did you feel the batsmen played against the spinners in
Speaker 3: terms of their ability to manipulate the field and accumulate
Speaker 3: runs rather than they say, wait for the bad ball.
Speaker 7: And dispatch it.
Speaker 3: Did they build their batting skills to that form of
Speaker 3: the game.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I said, we had lots of conversations and and
Speaker 8: like you said, some really good quality training at Lincoln
Speaker 8: where we can sort of manufacture pitches a little bit
Speaker 8: to turn and things, and guys went over there with
Speaker 8: with plans which you have to have, and then, like
Speaker 8: I said before, you've got to be able to adapt
Speaker 8: plans and and perhaps you know, the one days, we
Speaker 8: probably didn't get the conditions we thought, and it took
Speaker 8: us a little bit of time, but you know, we
Speaker 8: came pretty strong in the back end of that series.
Speaker 8: And you know the strength of the Bangladeshi spinners as
Speaker 8: they're accurate and they don't give you too many bad balls.
Speaker 7: So I was very pleased. I'm sure Bob Carter was
Speaker 7: in the way that the guys.
Speaker 8: Back their defense when they needed it, but also we're
Speaker 8: able to put some some heat back on the Bangladeshi spinners.
Speaker 7: But in the ways they attacked, and they're all different.
Speaker 8: Some guys used their feet and came down the work,
Speaker 8: and some guys swept, But every single one of them.
Speaker 8: We talked to them at the at the end of
Speaker 8: the last four day game that no matter how they're
Speaker 8: tour had gone from a on field performance perspective, every
Speaker 8: player will come back a better player. It just takes
Speaker 8: a little bit of time sometimes for them to realize
Speaker 8: how much they've learned on a tool like this. So yeah,
Speaker 8: I think, you know, the more sort of tools we
Speaker 8: can have like this in these sort of conditions. These
Speaker 8: all of them reflected back and said, next time I
Speaker 8: come here, I know my starting point. I know my
Speaker 8: game plan will be even closer to what it needs
Speaker 8: to be, so that'll be one step ahead when that
Speaker 8: chance comes along again.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I'm certainly one of those who likes
Speaker 3: the a concept and getting more opportunities for those players.
Speaker 3: I think the encouraging thing from a lot of people's
Speaker 3: point of view will be the fact that it's highlighting
Speaker 3: the value of our development program that we have a
Speaker 3: program through the age groups and the developer that is
Speaker 3: preparing players for the higher levels that they're going to play.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think, you know, a big shout out has
Speaker 8: to go to the mas, the coaches and the systems
Speaker 8: that are getting put in place.
Speaker 7: None of it's perfect, and none of it ever will be.
Speaker 8: But I think one thing we are doing is working
Speaker 8: pretty well together collaboratively. I think we've got a strong,
Speaker 8: healthy domestic competition, which is great, and it just shows
Speaker 8: that nearly all these players when they are getting the
Speaker 8: chance to go up to the black Cats, are succeeding
Speaker 8: straight away and putting pressure on the on the incumbents.
Speaker 8: So the more of these A tours we can have,
Speaker 8: you know, the more we can expose these players to
Speaker 8: the conditions and touring life, then the more times the
Speaker 8: greater depth we build, and the more times these players
Speaker 8: are going to step up straight away, which is obviously
Speaker 8: what we need.
Speaker 3: Well, I hope we have the same luck in terms
Speaker 3: of coverage, because it was nice to be able to
Speaker 3: see it on the internet back here. The commentary you
Speaker 3: left a little bit to be desired, but that's not unexpected.
Speaker 3: We didn't expect too much English commentary, but it was
Speaker 3: nice to be able to have water wall cricket to
Speaker 3: watch at a good time, and hopefully we can see
Speaker 3: that when the side is in South Africa. Otherwise we're
Speaker 3: going to have to call you. Hopefully you'll be on
Speaker 3: the tour.
Speaker 7: I'm not sure I'll be on that one.
Speaker 8: We might have I think Graham Aldridge might be on
Speaker 8: that one helping out with the quicks. So we like
Speaker 8: to swap things around a little bit and you know,
Speaker 8: give both players and coaches experiences in those places, so
Speaker 8: we'll see what happens there. But yeah, like you say,
Speaker 8: hopefully there's some really good coverage.
Speaker 7: There and maybe once you get over there and do
Speaker 7: a little bit more.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm probably a bit past that, or they're probably
Speaker 3: past me. But yeah, it's nice to be able to
Speaker 3: see that sort of cricket. I mean, that's the important
Speaker 3: thing that we get an opportunity to look at cricket
Speaker 3: because there's a lot of people interested in the development
Speaker 3: phase and they don't know a lot about these players,
Speaker 3: although they're starting to come to the forefront, aren't they.
Speaker 3: When you look at the like of Nick Kelly and
Speaker 3: what he was able to achieve and such like.
Speaker 8: Look, Nick and a number of the players over there
Speaker 8: had some outstanding series and they've only enhanced their credibility.
Speaker 8: I think black Caps selectors and coaches should be really,
Speaker 8: really pleased with the way this tour went, and hopefully
Speaker 8: the South African one as well, because it just shows
Speaker 8: and it shows the public. Like you say, it creates interest.
Speaker 8: When these players do come in and play for the
Speaker 8: black Caps, they've seen them before, and they've seen them
Speaker 8: in different situations and they start to become household names,
Speaker 8: which is, you know, what we want for the players
Speaker 8: and obviously the public. So yeah, the more we can
Speaker 8: have of this stuff for ever runners, it's it's awesome.
Speaker 3: Thanks for your tom mate. I appreciate it and hopefully
Speaker 3: you can do it again.
Speaker 7: Leisure Odds look forward to it well.
Speaker 3: A very good reflective analysis from Wiseman, pretty matter of
Speaker 3: factur not getting too carried away happy to talk about
Speaker 3: the inadequacies, the shortcomings that players might have noticed on
Speaker 3: the tour, and we all noticed those. That always happens,
Speaker 3: but they've obviously done the work to get through it,
Speaker 3: and I think the results speak for themselves, don't they.
Speaker 3: They they won the first first class game, and to me,
Speaker 3: that's the ones that matter. I know that white ball
Speaker 3: cricket is an important part of the game these days,
Speaker 3: but you know, I still judge players and skills and
Speaker 3: techniques on their first class cricket. They did that to
Speaker 3: Australia to nil. They drew one and got a first
Speaker 3: innings advantage in a rain effected game in the second
Speaker 3: one in Bangladesh. You've got to be happy with that,
Speaker 3: don't you.
Speaker 6: Jerry Oh, I think so, And I think that's Paul Wiseman.
Speaker 5: Was happy, wasn't he. It makes it a lot easier
Speaker 5: and nicer interview for you. Have you asked him about
Speaker 5: the results and he said, well, they didn't really matter.
Speaker 5: And that's true to a certain extent, that you're there
Speaker 5: to develop players. But at the same time, it makes
Speaker 5: it a hell of a lot easier if you happen
Speaker 5: to be winning as well. And I think it was
Speaker 5: a jolly good experience for the players really, that last
Speaker 5: you know, a couple of weeks, strong opposition, different conditions.
Speaker 5: Not so much in the pictures, I thought was as
Speaker 5: Paul Wiseman said, they weren't aggressive turning pictures. They occasional
Speaker 5: bounce a bit more and because they start so early
Speaker 5: that he pointed out there was a wee bit of
Speaker 5: more movement, wasn't there, And he said they didn't make
Speaker 5: the right choices in some of the one day games
Speaker 5: about whether to batt or bold. But the heat and
Speaker 5: the humidity, that's quite a thing that the players have
Speaker 5: dealt with and I think therefore a different examination of
Speaker 5: the players and you just have to react to that
Speaker 5: as a player and learn from it. And I think
Speaker 5: this has been a very good tour for those players.
Speaker 5: I reckon, Yeah.
Speaker 3: The interesting point from my point of view is Carter
Speaker 3: has been in the side and was captain of the
Speaker 3: red ball team. He's scored one hundred in the last
Speaker 3: tour of India. Kelly's got a couple of hundreds. They're thirties,
Speaker 3: so they've got a good experience. I hope that they're
Speaker 3: not condemned those players to a lifetime of developing the
Speaker 3: young talent. I still believe that both players have got
Speaker 3: something to offer elsewhere, because you know, you look too
Speaker 3: at the rest of that side. There was Boil, there
Speaker 3: was hea Fe, there was Foxcroft who had a late
Speaker 3: inclusion on the side and he only got there because
Speaker 3: Ish Sody was injured. They've all staked a claim for saying, Hey,
Speaker 3: if there's one place to go, I want to take
Speaker 3: it in the black Caps too, or two Zimbabwe and
Speaker 3: South Africa.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Well, the thing about Carter and Kelly, of course, is
Speaker 5: that they are both top order players, and so they're
Speaker 5: the sorts of things we need if suddenly there's an
Speaker 5: injury to Williamson. He's had a few of those recently. Suddenly,
Speaker 5: if for some reason one of the openers can't play,
Speaker 5: or maybe a number four can't play, you know, they
Speaker 5: are sort of there and standing there and waiting and keen,
Speaker 5: and that's very important. I think one of the things
Speaker 5: that the tour that they've just undergone. They've learned about endurance,
Speaker 5: they've learned about concentration, and they've learned how to adapt.
Speaker 5: That's a word that Kane Williamson uses a lot, doesn't
Speaker 5: he to the conditions and he's quite right, and there was,
Speaker 5: you know, just a definite tick for attitude. I think
Speaker 5: from Wiseman as well is that the players were so
Speaker 5: eager to learn the coaches had to stop them. That's
Speaker 5: unusual and so, yeah, exactly so they are all good things.
Speaker 5: And he also mentioned them a coaches he said, there's
Speaker 5: obviously some good work being done there. It's not all
Speaker 5: us and deflecting a little bit the results back to
Speaker 5: those coaches in New Zealand and they're good comments too,
Speaker 5: I think, and thema coaches would be pleased with that.
Speaker 5: So the general system seems to be providing players at
Speaker 5: this level that they're coping, they're still learning, they'll get better.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the interesting one about them A coaches because
Speaker 3: when we spoke to Shane Jergenson a month or so back,
Speaker 3: you know, one of the things he said about his
Speaker 3: job as head coach and Wellington was preparing players for
Speaker 3: the New Zealand side, not so much about winning trophies. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you want to win trophies. But he's got in mind,
Speaker 3: as of the other MAA coaches, preparing players for international appearances,
Speaker 3: and that seems to be working pretty much. I was
Speaker 3: interested in the comments and he said it twice now
Speaker 3: Wiseman about the bowling of Lenox thirty years of age,
Speaker 3: works very hard and he's highlighted his accuracy and I
Speaker 3: think we noticed that he is a very accurate bowler.
Speaker 3: Now if he can develop a little wider and I
Speaker 3: don't know whether he needs to develop a little wider.
Speaker 3: But if he's able to develop his spinning skills, you know,
Speaker 3: around about thirty he's still got plenty of time to
Speaker 3: play for New Zealand and he must be one of
Speaker 3: the pluses of that tour.
Speaker 5: It's a very strong point, isn't it, of any left
Speaker 5: armor and any spinner or any bowler to be very accurate.
Speaker 5: We've had very good left arm bowlers in the past
Speaker 5: for New Zealand. If you think of Headley, howis you know,
Speaker 5: think of Daniel Vitry and then even lately when even
Speaker 5: when we were playing Wadds, you know, to have the
Speaker 5: likes of Stephen Bock and also Evan Gray to call
Speaker 5: upon very useful spin bowlers accurate and of Lennox is
Speaker 5: like that. That's a very good start, isn't it. It's
Speaker 5: certainly if he's on a pitch where the ball is
Speaker 5: turning and is giving him some assistance, then accuracy becomes
Speaker 5: the main thing, main thing. As a left armor, you
Speaker 5: just use the natural, the natural variation from the pitch
Speaker 5: itself and.
Speaker 6: It'll work for you.
Speaker 5: I think, as you were suggesting there just for a second,
Speaker 5: maybe he needs to learn how to persuade batsman out
Speaker 5: and I think that might well be on pitches that
Speaker 5: aren't doing very much at all, and so you know,
Speaker 5: whether it's a slower delivery, whether it's an angle that
Speaker 5: he has to find, whether he's got that loopy delivery
Speaker 5: we've seen from Santna for example, where you know those
Speaker 5: kinds of deliveries coming around the wicket, over the wicket,
Speaker 5: or all those things to become a more complete and
Speaker 5: finished article, which you know players are always trying to become.
Speaker 5: But that's a very good start and a good base
Speaker 5: from him to work from.
Speaker 3: Yep, and we've seen that, and I think that we've
Speaker 3: got to look back and say that it was a
Speaker 3: great success. And I hope many of those players go
Speaker 3: to Zimbabwe. But as Wiseman said, the side might change
Speaker 3: just a little bit for that not Zimbabwe, that the
Speaker 3: testing ghost of Zimbabwe, but the aighting ghost South Africa.
Speaker 3: So they're going to be in that part of the
Speaker 3: world and it's going to be interesting because I think
Speaker 3: they're in the process of appointing a new coach in
Speaker 3: the very near future. They're going to do that before
Speaker 3: they picked their next team. Where will Gary Stead sit.
Speaker 3: I don't know who's in for the job, but I
Speaker 3: understand Luke Gronki is one of the applicants, Shane Jergensen
Speaker 3: is one of the applicants. There may Rob Walter of
Speaker 3: course is in for the job, and I think there
Speaker 3: was another major association coach who was showing interest in
Speaker 3: doing the job. So the team that's picking that and
Speaker 3: it was revealed that former black Caps Roger Two's and
Speaker 3: Dion Nash are on the selection panel along with the
Speaker 3: chief executive of New Zealand Cricket, and I think one
Speaker 3: of the black Caps team is also part of the
Speaker 3: selection process. So they've got the right sort of people
Speaker 3: to talk to you about how they picked that coach's role.
Speaker 3: And we'll know in due course who's going to get
Speaker 3: it because they've also got to pick the high performance executive,
Speaker 3: which they've had a long time to mess around and
Speaker 3: do but they haven't done anything about it, so we'll
Speaker 3: just wait and see with that one. But great stuff
Speaker 3: from the New Zealand A side and we salute what
Speaker 3: they were able to achieve.
Speaker 1: Brian Waddell, Jeremy Coney on the front foot.
Speaker 3: Tess Cricket. Yes, we had a good Test match. I
Speaker 3: suppose England did nothing other than we expected of them.
Speaker 3: Was interesting to read some of the comments on social
Speaker 3: media during the Test match after the first day. One
Speaker 3: comment tough for Zimbabwe on what looks a great track
Speaker 3: to bat on. They made a bad call at the toss,
Speaker 3: yet they recognized that and I have since set about
Speaker 3: making Zach Crawley a fixture in the side until twenty
Speaker 3: twenty six. That's an interesting comment because he's not one
Speaker 3: of the most liked players in England. The Cricketer magazine
Speaker 3: George Bell, who isn't always fond of the England management,
Speaker 3: England's batting greed was admirable, but let's not pretend this
Speaker 3: was good entertainment. Well that's a bit harsh. I mean,
Speaker 3: in the result, you only play what you're up against.
Speaker 3: And the other one that was interesting and a chance
Speaker 3: to reflect on this Juriors. Ben Stokes made a comment
Speaker 3: prior to the Test match about of Jacob Bethel if
Speaker 3: he'd been available, he'd be straight into the side. Basically
Speaker 3: appeared to hint that Bethel would be in. He put
Speaker 3: two and two together. He said, you probably know what's
Speaker 3: going to happen, but is he a person who has
Speaker 3: an irresistible claim to the England and number three spot,
Speaker 3: bearing in mind what they're top ordered in against Zimbabwe.
Speaker 3: I know it's not India, but they demolish a Zimbabwe
Speaker 3: attack that would have been energetic. But lacking an experience, well.
Speaker 5: I wouldn't say irresistible words. I mean Jacob Bethel's only
Speaker 5: had three tests, hasn't he.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he has all in.
Speaker 5: One country, so we don't want to know really what
Speaker 5: he's like in some other conditions. We've been talking about
Speaker 5: conditions quite like, how do we go in South Africa?
Speaker 5: How will he go in Bangladesh and India?
Speaker 6: We don't know.
Speaker 5: And while he got runs while he was here in
Speaker 5: the three tests in Museum, they were all second innings runs,
Speaker 5: weren't they.
Speaker 6: There was fifty not out in christ Church.
Speaker 5: I think there was a ninety in Wellington and the
Speaker 5: second innings when it went flat after it was green
Speaker 5: at the start, and then in Hamilton they were so
Speaker 5: far behind and I think he got a seventy but
Speaker 5: in the first innings he was out cheaply each time.
Speaker 5: So I don't know whether, as I say, that's irresistible form.
Speaker 5: He obviously likes to attack a lot, but as I say,
Speaker 5: it's such a small sample. Pretty hard to throw him in,
Speaker 5: and I imagine everyone's saying that would be for Pope.
Speaker 5: Pretty hard to replace Root at four, Brook at five
Speaker 5: and Stokes at six. I would have sought, and then
Speaker 5: seven's probably you keeper Pope can keep. Of course he's
Speaker 5: kept before, he's been the vice captain. He's had eighteen
Speaker 5: times more tests, fifty six of them. He's over three
Speaker 5: three hundred runs. Okay, thirty five isn't brilliant for a
Speaker 5: number three. But nevertheless, you're not really comparing like Withoud
Speaker 5: Like for me, there where does Smith go? I mean
Speaker 5: that they haven't sorted out their team yet, have they
Speaker 5: doesn't seem to me.
Speaker 6: We don't know who the bowlers are going to be.
Speaker 5: I mean Archer is on the sideline, Brighton cast is
Speaker 5: on the sideline. They'll want him, I think, and Wokes
Speaker 5: of courses on the sideline as well. So you would
Speaker 5: think they would come into it, wouldn't you.
Speaker 6: I certainly would.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well we're going to do if they're fit enough. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And that's one of the things that they've got so
Speaker 3: many players online to bowl, the fitness aspect and they
Speaker 3: trying out different players from my Statistics Department of out
Speaker 3: that Test match and I marked in boxes of little
Speaker 3: relevance or no relevance of all. There was a statistic
Speaker 3: that came out in my websites. Sam Cook is the
Speaker 3: first England debutant to bowl the very first ball of
Speaker 3: his maiden Test innings since Martin McKay against Australia at
Speaker 3: trent Bridge in nineteen ninety three. Wow do we need
Speaker 3: to know that, Jerry? That's something I'm going to carry
Speaker 3: around me. That will be the two in question in
Speaker 3: a quiz somewhere around the world. You know who wants
Speaker 3: to be a millionaire?
Speaker 6: Won't it?
Speaker 5: Probably should be? Probably should be. I'm surprised at the
Speaker 5: headlined and the herald.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 5: Really it's as an extraordinary stat That means they've got
Speaker 5: nothing much to say about the game, doesn't it really?
Speaker 6: Sam Clitz.
Speaker 5: I wonder whether he was singing you know another sadder
Speaker 5: and and I ainka.
Speaker 6: Remember that one said, that's the one. That's the one
Speaker 6: we're talking about. The chair cha gag working on the chain,
Speaker 6: That's right.
Speaker 3: I thought that that's how I thought they'd picked for
Speaker 3: the Test when they when they name him, of course,
Speaker 3: Sam Cook certainly passed on a little bit. But you know,
Speaker 3: he didn't set the world on fire. He's just another
Speaker 3: one there that could do the job. The man they
Speaker 3: miss is Wood, isn't it.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, well that's right.
Speaker 5: So I didn't mention Wood, Yes, of course, and he's
Speaker 5: of course he's going through injury sort of rehabilitation at
Speaker 5: the moment too, isn't he. So they have got choices,
Speaker 5: but they have to have them ready, and they have
Speaker 5: to have played a bit, don't they really before they
Speaker 5: can head out to Ozzie. They'll be looking at Ozzie
Speaker 5: even though they're playing India, and they won't they won't
Speaker 5: admit it that they will be thinking of Australia. There's
Speaker 5: no doubt about that. But I'm not surprised old Sammy Cook.
Speaker 5: You know, seventy eight miles an hour a seamer bowling
Speaker 5: on a flat pitch, really flat, that bounces a bit,
Speaker 5: so links doesn't matter. And short boundaries on one side.
Speaker 5: I mean that bridge where they put the new stand there. Man,
Speaker 5: that's very short, and you can't turn and chase the
Speaker 5: ball and catch it.
Speaker 6: You just haven't got a show. So he went for
Speaker 6: a few mos so did all the bowlers.
Speaker 3: Actually, yeah, that's the speed you bowl out though, don't
Speaker 3: you really spend a lot of time on the chain
Speaker 3: game seventy eight.
Speaker 5: Exact well, pulling that pulling those chains too as you're
Speaker 5: running it.
Speaker 6: It's not easy.
Speaker 3: They're quite heavy to do. The man, of course, he
Speaker 3: was the surprise and he's probably as much a talking
Speaker 3: point around England cricket as the batting of Crawley and
Speaker 3: perhaps Cher. But boy, he knows how to take wiggets
Speaker 3: and Test cricket. He can't get in the county team,
Speaker 3: but he can take this.
Speaker 6: They should invert it.
Speaker 5: They should have Tests down there and Glamorgan is that
Speaker 5: is the Test match itself.
Speaker 6: So yeah, I don't know Glamorgan plays India.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he certainly seems to thrive under Stokes captaincy, doesn't he.
Speaker 6: He just seems to.
Speaker 5: Get a whole lot of confidence and away he goes.
Speaker 5: He's struggled to get wickets for Glamorgan there is. He's
Speaker 5: done very well against the Zimbabwe side.
Speaker 6: I don't know. It's a bit of a mystery, isn't it.
Speaker 5: They've got themselves into a bit of a quandary wdds,
Speaker 5: haven't they a quandary? About Basher. I see Leamy Dawson
Speaker 5: is still getting runs and taking wickets.
Speaker 3: And Ryan Armored is scoring centuries opening the batting for
Speaker 3: Leicestershire who are top of the Second Division. Also his
Speaker 3: leg spinning and he's only young as well, but years
Speaker 3: twenty one twenty two around arms still young. So they've
Speaker 3: got the players there, but I think it'll be a while.
Speaker 3: And the Test match against Indias. That's why sometime toward
Speaker 3: the end of June twentieth and June somewhere around there.
Speaker 6: Yeah, something like that.
Speaker 3: Are you going to be watching those You're going to
Speaker 3: the World Test Championship.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm going to the World Test Championship that starts
Speaker 5: on about the tenth of June or eleventh of June
Speaker 5: something like that.
Speaker 7: Yep.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not sure about I've had an invite to
Speaker 5: do a couple of the India Tests at the moment,
Speaker 5: may get some more wait and see, I don't know yet.
Speaker 6: That's a yeah.
Speaker 3: We'll get the up to date from you as those
Speaker 3: things go along, and they'll probably get closer to naming
Speaker 3: their England side as we get a little bit closer
Speaker 3: to that date. Talking about strange things now it's just
Speaker 3: I don't know why these things keep popping up on Facebook,
Speaker 3: but I saw a replay back to nineteen eighty of
Speaker 3: an incident where Colin Cross bumped into the umpire. Who
Speaker 3: were the two New Zealand Investment at the crease at
Speaker 3: the time, Jerry, I.
Speaker 5: Think, well, I was one of them at the non
Speaker 5: striker's end when there's occurred because Fred. I had to
Speaker 5: get out of the way very quickly, out of Fred's
Speaker 5: way as he short lid wicket, probably the quickest I
Speaker 5: moved the entire game.
Speaker 6: But the I think at the other end was Richard Hadley.
Speaker 3: Correct, you've got a good memory. Wonderfully done.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I noticed you didn't.
Speaker 3: Step in to take Colin croft on when he nudged
Speaker 3: Fred out of the way. I thought you might have
Speaker 3: been strong and held your bat up to him and said, eh,
Speaker 3: Crafty you know. I mean, we've worked with Crafty since
Speaker 3: he retired.
Speaker 6: And I did stand.
Speaker 5: Up for Fred though the ball before, because if you remember,
Speaker 5: he rather petulantly walked back after being no balled and
Speaker 5: flicked the baiales off that's right and right in front
Speaker 5: of where Fred was, and I said, just leave those Fred,
Speaker 5: I'll get that I'll pick those up and so I
Speaker 5: put them back on.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so I had sided very strongly with.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Clive Lloyd when he walked down and was joined
Speaker 3: by Yeah.
Speaker 6: It's I wonder what he said.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well he was holding his dislocated shoulder at the
Speaker 5: time and Steve Woodwood went over as well with him.
Speaker 5: So and five didn't move one step from deep first
Speaker 5: slip at the other end, so they were all exhausted.
Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly. So it was very hard to hear from
Speaker 6: where I was.
Speaker 5: But yeah, that that was a that was a very
Speaker 5: I don't know, just not a nice test to play
Speaker 5: and really.
Speaker 3: No, and I could tell that by both your sort
Speaker 3: of reaction and also Richard Hadley who just stood there
Speaker 3: and did the John Parker filling with his gloves and
Speaker 3: having a look around without ever wanting to walk off
Speaker 3: the park. And it was a test match, of course,
Speaker 3: in a series that New Zealand performed well at just
Speaker 3: just to finish office segment on the program, Jerrian, there
Speaker 3: might well have been a need for a replacement umpire,
Speaker 3: but Fred was strong and stood there. But coming out
Speaker 3: of the Zimbabwe Test was an interesting piece where it
Speaker 3: was questioned is it time for Cricket to make a
Speaker 3: change to allow teams to replace injured players. Zimbabwe were
Speaker 3: struggling in the Test match and when their front line
Speaker 3: bowler Richard Nagarava had to be helped from the field
Speaker 3: with a back injury, they were left one bowl a short.
Speaker 3: He came back but didn't really play a part and
Speaker 3: wasn't going to win the game for them anyway. But
Speaker 3: it raised the question should a player be allowed to
Speaker 3: have a replacement be replaced in the field? Can neither
Speaker 3: bat or bowl? What is the scenario because I mean,
Speaker 3: you can't even have a runner now. I think at
Speaker 3: time when somebody gets injured in the game, they should
Speaker 3: be allowed to have a runner. But I'm not a
Speaker 3: great fan for having injured players replaced as such unless
Speaker 3: it's like for like because of an injury received in
Speaker 3: the game, because sometimes players can take injuries into a
Speaker 3: game find that they're not working, conditions don't suit them. Boy,
Speaker 3: we need a spinner here rather than a seam boler.
Speaker 3: Let's get a replacement. This guy's injured. How do you
Speaker 3: feel about that?
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's the whole question is an interesting one, isn't it?
Speaker 5: And sport generally today, but of course in cricket. You
Speaker 5: can have concussion subs, can't you. They're complete changes like
Speaker 5: for like, as you say, COVID subs.
Speaker 6: We had, of course we had subs.
Speaker 5: I think you can have some cricket boards at the
Speaker 5: domestic level will allow sub won't they. If a player
Speaker 5: has to go maybe onto international duty, they will allow
Speaker 5: a sub and.
Speaker 3: That person can actually play a full part in the
Speaker 3: game if they have to go away for international duties
Speaker 3: or something along those lines. So that's fair enough to
Speaker 3: my mind.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's correct. It has become an issue really. I
Speaker 5: mean there was a period of time where the Australians
Speaker 5: in particular would leave the field for what they called
Speaker 5: a comfort break, wasn't it.
Speaker 6: The bowlers would head away which they could.
Speaker 5: Change their shirt or their boots, or they could have
Speaker 5: a shower and a quick rub down. That's been stopped now.
Speaker 5: You can't allow have a sub for those things. You've
Speaker 5: got to be ill or you've got to be injured,
Speaker 5: and that's at the umpire's discretion or for some other
Speaker 5: wholly acceptable reason wise, so like maybe an illness or
Speaker 5: a death in the family, circumstances that have got to
Speaker 5: be extreme. It's a really interesting one, Ponting, I remember
Speaker 5: you're in in two thousand and five. He thought England
Speaker 5: would and resting their bowlers and bringing on great fieldsmen,
Speaker 5: much better than the faster bowlers who had just departed
Speaker 5: to go and change.
Speaker 6: Their socks or something or other. And of course he
Speaker 6: was run out, wasn't he.
Speaker 5: By one of the players too, So he was really
Speaker 5: angry at the time.
Speaker 6: But it's odd. It's odd, isn't it.
Speaker 5: If you think about cricket, how they've devised shortened games
Speaker 5: like condensed matches, twenty overs, fifty overs. They've had power plays,
Speaker 5: they've worked out umpire reviews, they've had night games, they've
Speaker 5: had super overs, they've had different colors of ball.
Speaker 6: I mean, cricket has been very flexible.
Speaker 5: I suppose, is what I'm saying, and has remodeled itself
Speaker 5: to the demands sometimes of fans who were on fast forward,
Speaker 5: you know, and want a bit more excitement and a
Speaker 5: lot of that these days, sometimes for survival where the
Speaker 5: cricket feels that it's going down slightly and it needs
Speaker 5: something new on the shelf, or sometimes you know, just
Speaker 5: for prosperity and for cash.
Speaker 6: They do that as well.
Speaker 5: But a tweaked hamstring at the moment leaves a kind
Speaker 5: of a burden on all the.
Speaker 6: Other bowlers, doesn't it.
Speaker 5: In the side, and you know, suddenly the demand on
Speaker 5: them to bowl more overs. They might have just finished
Speaker 5: nine overs and a spell with the old ball, and
Speaker 5: there they've got to take the new ball now suddenly.
Speaker 5: I can remember, for example, when Chats went off the
Speaker 5: field and purse and all of.
Speaker 6: The other bowlers had to stand up and bowl extra overs.
Speaker 5: Sometimes you've got to look around and find another bowler
Speaker 5: occasionally as well. The other thing, of course, is that a
Speaker 5: lot of comes from other sports, doesn't it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you get a lot of that with.
Speaker 5: You know, subs for soccer and all those sorts of
Speaker 5: things as well. But it certainly any difference between the sides,
Speaker 5: There's no doubt it's distorted when you have an injury
Speaker 5: to your side. Soccer allow as I say, tactical subs
Speaker 5: rugby clears the bench.
Speaker 6: How would you like to be a prop? Once you'd
Speaker 6: be a good prop.
Speaker 5: I'd break both my legs in the first scrum and
Speaker 5: have two shoulders buried into the ground.
Speaker 6: Well, if you worked as a prop, did you?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 9: Ah right, you might understand that if you had worked
Speaker 9: against your opponent right throughout your rugby game, and you
Speaker 9: had a test of endurance and strength, and with twenty
Speaker 9: minutes to go he was your opponent was history.
Speaker 6: You'd got the better of him.
Speaker 5: And then suddenly when just at the very time you
Speaker 5: can take advantage of all that effort, and on comes a.
Speaker 6: New guy, fresh up against you. I don't like that here.
Speaker 6: I don't like that idea. It does. Look at the
Speaker 6: South Africans.
Speaker 5: They have about five or six of their reserves are
Speaker 5: all forwards, aren't they.
Speaker 6: So you know, I don't like that.
Speaker 5: Idea of replacement, continual replacement. Who's at for It's for
Speaker 5: the fans really, the excitement of keeping the game going.
Speaker 5: What if you're a lock and you're knackered and suddenly
Speaker 5: you're matching up man on man as they do all
Speaker 5: the time nowadays, and a little space open up and
Speaker 5: suddenly you can't get up there close enough term as
Speaker 5: a lock, and they're through and they score a try.
Speaker 6: You see.
Speaker 5: I think those are the things that resilience is very
Speaker 5: much part of sport. Teams ought to be questioned to
Speaker 5: the last ounce of their collective strengths.
Speaker 6: I was one of those.
Speaker 5: And I think most of the players are like that actually,
Speaker 5: you know, and teams need to confront problems and solve them.
Speaker 5: And that's what we managed to do when Chats was
Speaker 5: off the field. Bowlers don't get a runner, do they.
Speaker 5: I mean we have seen that the spirit of the
Speaker 5: game change and players have to respond.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: Look, you look at things words like cricket is a
Speaker 5: game eleven worth eleven. That's why they don't change it.
Speaker 5: It's the ultimate test of your body and your courage
Speaker 5: and so on adversity. Did you ever see Jarq Pallace
Speaker 5: hobbling to the wicket and was it an adelaide? He
Speaker 5: couldn't bowl, he couldn't field and he smashed fifty eight
Speaker 5: against them.
Speaker 6: Did you see Nathan.
Speaker 5: Lyon at Lord's skipping out to bat the last Ashes
Speaker 5: series because he couldn't bowl and he went out to
Speaker 5: bat though to extend the lead of Australia And those
Speaker 5: sorts of things. I can remember Peter Siddle bowling all
Speaker 5: afternoon having to take the new ball. Look, the ultimate thing,
Speaker 5: isn't it is Bert Suckliffe coming back after going to
Speaker 5: hospital with the band Johnny's head and Bob Blair is
Speaker 5: fiance dying, you know, over the the train crash at
Speaker 5: Tangy Way, and both those players playing it shows you
Speaker 5: a different part of the players.
Speaker 6: I just kind of tried to provide the two.
Speaker 5: Arguments for subs being there and for subs not being there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it'll be interesting to see whether it gains traction
Speaker 3: with the ICC, those men who make those wonderful decisions
Speaker 3: out of India, whether it comes up at one of
Speaker 3: their board meetings, will be following it with a great
Speaker 3: deal of interest, a lot of things to talk about.
Speaker 3: We've got a test match coming up for the World
Speaker 3: Test Championship. We might preview that next week, Jerry before
Speaker 3: you get on the plane.
Speaker 6: Yeah, good, that's fine. That's no problem at all. A
Speaker 6: little bit it should be. You'd you'd have to post Ossie.
Speaker 5: I think at the moment, wouldn't you such a difficult
Speaker 5: team to beat?
Speaker 6: But you don't know. South Africa have got some good
Speaker 6: players too.
Speaker 3: They have indeed. Well, we'll look at that next week
Speaker 3: and a few other issues going around the cricketing scene. Meanwhile,
Speaker 3: you can put your feet up, head on your jams
Speaker 3: and take yourself ready, do your research. Jerry do your research.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry I haven't been able to get that psychometric
Speaker 3: test I was going to get for you, but you
Speaker 3: may hold it off till next week.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I've been missed out on the Captain say, I'm
Speaker 5: really sad down here. Wads couldn't couldn't answer question four,
Speaker 5: five or seven at all?
Speaker 6: If that is three questions, that is three questions.
Speaker 3: Oh, don't get the research book, chat the leader, take
Speaker 3: care of you.
Speaker 4: But.
Speaker 6: All the world forsmming
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