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Speaker 2: Yeah, taken on the Patrick. It is out, the test

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Speaker 3: Hi, there, We're on the front foot once again. Nice

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Speaker 3: to be with you. Should we have worries about the

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Speaker 3: potential test cross de bects. We produce our eighteen as

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Speaker 3: accounted for Bangladesh in their conditions, and we also learned

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Speaker 3: what the black Caps might face when they tours in

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Speaker 3: Babwe despite the heavy wind as England being able to

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Speaker 3: sort out its first eleven for the upcoming Indian series.

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Speaker 3: We've froken often in the past about more opportunities for

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Speaker 3: out developing CRICKETERSM and the touring environment as well, and

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Speaker 3: the reason has been supported by the New Zealand A

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Speaker 3: side of Magladesh. Is it fair to believe that our

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Speaker 3: future black Caps are gained correct preparation and most on

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Speaker 3: that tour Jerry. It's an interesting question, isn't it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, there's high words. Look, I think if we look

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Speaker 5: at the last two sides, one to Australia now this

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Speaker 5: they against what have been quite strong sides. Australia always strong,

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Speaker 5: and they've been both sides have performed pretty well, I think.

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Speaker 5: I mean, of that side that played in Australia Awards

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Speaker 6: Now that's not bad, is it? Now? Three of them in.

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Speaker 5: Tests and the rest obviously in white ball. And I

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Speaker 5: I mean, that's that's pretty obvious. And this side played

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Speaker 6: He had already been to England on a tour.

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Speaker 5: Ajs for Jacob Duffy was there, Ashok and O'Rourke was there.

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Speaker 6: So that was that was quite a strong side. This one.

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Speaker 5: We hadn't seen much of Christian Clark. We haven't seen

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Speaker 5: the moment both those sides are saying, yeah, if we

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Speaker 3: We have to.

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Speaker 7: We have to.

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Speaker 6: But we're kna doing the job and the development is

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Speaker 3: Last season, the New Zealand A side went to Australia

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Speaker 8: We probably didn't really go over there looking so much

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Speaker 7: You know, winning the.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and of course you are playing your full fifteen squad.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, every player played three, four or five games over there.

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Speaker 8: It was never about trying to put our best team

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's difficult at this time of the year,

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Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, there were We never probably got the extreme

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Speaker 8: That's where you really want to see our batters get

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Pretty much through that whole squad, You've got potential

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Speaker 7: That was very, very hot and very humid.

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Speaker 7: So yeah, yeah, I just I think the future.

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Speaker 3: You had an interesting mix of players, particularly an area

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Speaker 7: Really well? I mean Foxy took his chances.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for your tom mate. I appreciate it and hopefully

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Speaker 3: A very good reflective analysis from Wiseman, pretty matter of

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Speaker 5: Was happy, wasn't he. It makes it a lot easier

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Speaker 5: certainly if he's on a pitch where the ball is

439
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Speaker 5: turning and is giving him some assistance, then accuracy becomes

440
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Speaker 5: the main thing, main thing. As a left armor, you

441
00:24:27,733 --> 00:24:32,293
Speaker 5: just use the natural, the natural variation from the pitch

442
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Speaker 5: itself and.

443
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Speaker 6: It'll work for you.

444
00:24:34,773 --> 00:24:37,733
Speaker 5: I think, as you were suggesting there just for a second,

445
00:24:38,333 --> 00:24:42,893
Speaker 5: maybe he needs to learn how to persuade batsman out

446
00:24:44,333 --> 00:24:48,253
Speaker 5: and I think that might well be on pitches that

447
00:24:48,333 --> 00:24:52,373
Speaker 5: aren't doing very much at all, and so you know,

448
00:24:52,493 --> 00:24:55,453
Speaker 5: whether it's a slower delivery, whether it's an angle that

449
00:24:55,533 --> 00:24:58,933
Speaker 5: he has to find, whether he's got that loopy delivery

450
00:24:58,973 --> 00:25:02,813
Speaker 5: we've seen from Santna for example, where you know those

451
00:25:02,973 --> 00:25:06,333
Speaker 5: kinds of deliveries coming around the wicket, over the wicket,

452
00:25:07,133 --> 00:25:10,733
Speaker 5: or all those things to become a more complete and

453
00:25:10,813 --> 00:25:15,293
Speaker 5: finished article, which you know players are always trying to become.

454
00:25:16,533 --> 00:25:19,173
Speaker 5: But that's a very good start and a good base

455
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Speaker 5: from him to work from.

456
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Speaker 3: Yep, and we've seen that, and I think that we've

457
00:25:25,013 --> 00:25:26,853
Speaker 3: got to look back and say that it was a

458
00:25:26,893 --> 00:25:29,133
Speaker 3: great success. And I hope many of those players go

459
00:25:29,253 --> 00:25:34,493
Speaker 3: to Zimbabwe. But as Wiseman said, the side might change

460
00:25:34,533 --> 00:25:37,253
Speaker 3: just a little bit for that not Zimbabwe, that the

461
00:25:37,293 --> 00:25:40,293
Speaker 3: testing ghost of Zimbabwe, but the aighting ghost South Africa.

462
00:25:40,373 --> 00:25:42,053
Speaker 3: So they're going to be in that part of the

463
00:25:42,053 --> 00:25:44,733
Speaker 3: world and it's going to be interesting because I think

464
00:25:44,773 --> 00:25:47,973
Speaker 3: they're in the process of appointing a new coach in

465
00:25:48,013 --> 00:25:50,693
Speaker 3: the very near future. They're going to do that before

466
00:25:50,693 --> 00:25:54,653
Speaker 3: they picked their next team. Where will Gary Stead sit.

467
00:25:55,013 --> 00:25:57,173
Speaker 3: I don't know who's in for the job, but I

468
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Speaker 3: understand Luke Gronki is one of the applicants, Shane Jergensen

469
00:26:03,613 --> 00:26:07,733
Speaker 3: is one of the applicants. There may Rob Walter of

470
00:26:07,773 --> 00:26:09,693
Speaker 3: course is in for the job, and I think there

471
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Speaker 3: was another major association coach who was showing interest in

472
00:26:14,013 --> 00:26:17,973
Speaker 3: doing the job. So the team that's picking that and

473
00:26:18,573 --> 00:26:23,373
Speaker 3: it was revealed that former black Caps Roger Two's and

474
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Speaker 3: Dion Nash are on the selection panel along with the

475
00:26:28,253 --> 00:26:30,693
Speaker 3: chief executive of New Zealand Cricket, and I think one

476
00:26:30,773 --> 00:26:34,973
Speaker 3: of the black Caps team is also part of the

477
00:26:35,013 --> 00:26:37,973
Speaker 3: selection process. So they've got the right sort of people

478
00:26:38,013 --> 00:26:42,533
Speaker 3: to talk to you about how they picked that coach's role.

479
00:26:43,053 --> 00:26:45,133
Speaker 3: And we'll know in due course who's going to get

480
00:26:45,133 --> 00:26:49,133
Speaker 3: it because they've also got to pick the high performance executive,

481
00:26:49,133 --> 00:26:51,653
Speaker 3: which they've had a long time to mess around and

482
00:26:51,693 --> 00:26:53,693
Speaker 3: do but they haven't done anything about it, so we'll

483
00:26:53,733 --> 00:26:57,613
Speaker 3: just wait and see with that one. But great stuff

484
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Speaker 3: from the New Zealand A side and we salute what

485
00:27:00,573 --> 00:27:01,733
Speaker 3: they were able to achieve.

486
00:27:02,413 --> 00:27:06,453
Speaker 1: Brian Waddell, Jeremy Coney on the front foot.

487
00:27:06,693 --> 00:27:09,973
Speaker 3: Tess Cricket. Yes, we had a good Test match. I

488
00:27:10,013 --> 00:27:14,253
Speaker 3: suppose England did nothing other than we expected of them.

489
00:27:14,693 --> 00:27:17,253
Speaker 3: Was interesting to read some of the comments on social

490
00:27:17,333 --> 00:27:21,133
Speaker 3: media during the Test match after the first day. One

491
00:27:21,213 --> 00:27:25,373
Speaker 3: comment tough for Zimbabwe on what looks a great track

492
00:27:25,453 --> 00:27:27,893
Speaker 3: to bat on. They made a bad call at the toss,

493
00:27:27,933 --> 00:27:30,813
Speaker 3: yet they recognized that and I have since set about

494
00:27:30,853 --> 00:27:34,253
Speaker 3: making Zach Crawley a fixture in the side until twenty

495
00:27:34,293 --> 00:27:37,053
Speaker 3: twenty six. That's an interesting comment because he's not one

496
00:27:37,053 --> 00:27:41,693
Speaker 3: of the most liked players in England. The Cricketer magazine

497
00:27:42,013 --> 00:27:47,653
Speaker 3: George Bell, who isn't always fond of the England management,

498
00:27:47,853 --> 00:27:52,053
Speaker 3: England's batting greed was admirable, but let's not pretend this

499
00:27:52,253 --> 00:27:55,173
Speaker 3: was good entertainment. Well that's a bit harsh. I mean,

500
00:27:55,213 --> 00:27:57,333
Speaker 3: in the result, you only play what you're up against.

501
00:27:58,333 --> 00:28:02,573
Speaker 3: And the other one that was interesting and a chance

502
00:28:02,613 --> 00:28:06,573
Speaker 3: to reflect on this Juriors. Ben Stokes made a comment

503
00:28:06,933 --> 00:28:09,533
Speaker 3: prior to the Test match about of Jacob Bethel if

504
00:28:09,533 --> 00:28:14,733
Speaker 3: he'd been available, he'd be straight into the side. Basically

505
00:28:15,853 --> 00:28:19,093
Speaker 3: appeared to hint that Bethel would be in. He put

506
00:28:19,133 --> 00:28:21,293
Speaker 3: two and two together. He said, you probably know what's

507
00:28:21,333 --> 00:28:23,853
Speaker 3: going to happen, but is he a person who has

508
00:28:23,853 --> 00:28:27,253
Speaker 3: an irresistible claim to the England and number three spot,

509
00:28:27,373 --> 00:28:30,253
Speaker 3: bearing in mind what they're top ordered in against Zimbabwe.

510
00:28:30,333 --> 00:28:34,853
Speaker 3: I know it's not India, but they demolish a Zimbabwe

511
00:28:34,973 --> 00:28:40,933
Speaker 3: attack that would have been energetic. But lacking an experience, well.

512
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Speaker 5: I wouldn't say irresistible words. I mean Jacob Bethel's only

513
00:28:45,813 --> 00:28:47,253
Speaker 5: had three tests, hasn't he.

514
00:28:47,413 --> 00:28:50,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, he has all in.

515
00:28:50,013 --> 00:28:52,733
Speaker 5: One country, so we don't want to know really what

516
00:28:52,853 --> 00:28:57,253
Speaker 5: he's like in some other conditions. We've been talking about

517
00:28:57,253 --> 00:28:59,573
Speaker 5: conditions quite like, how do we go in South Africa?

518
00:28:59,613 --> 00:29:01,413
Speaker 5: How will he go in Bangladesh and India?

519
00:29:01,853 --> 00:29:02,453
Speaker 6: We don't know.

520
00:29:04,893 --> 00:29:07,933
Speaker 5: And while he got runs while he was here in

521
00:29:08,013 --> 00:29:10,773
Speaker 5: the three tests in Museum, they were all second innings runs,

522
00:29:10,813 --> 00:29:11,893
Speaker 5: weren't they.

523
00:29:12,493 --> 00:29:14,253
Speaker 6: There was fifty not out in christ Church.

524
00:29:14,373 --> 00:29:17,413
Speaker 5: I think there was a ninety in Wellington and the

525
00:29:17,453 --> 00:29:20,413
Speaker 5: second innings when it went flat after it was green

526
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Speaker 5: at the start, and then in Hamilton they were so

527
00:29:24,613 --> 00:29:27,693
Speaker 5: far behind and I think he got a seventy but

528
00:29:27,853 --> 00:29:31,933
Speaker 5: in the first innings he was out cheaply each time.

529
00:29:32,893 --> 00:29:38,853
Speaker 5: So I don't know whether, as I say, that's irresistible form.

530
00:29:38,933 --> 00:29:41,813
Speaker 5: He obviously likes to attack a lot, but as I say,

531
00:29:41,853 --> 00:29:46,213
Speaker 5: it's such a small sample. Pretty hard to throw him in,

532
00:29:46,213 --> 00:29:49,573
Speaker 5: and I imagine everyone's saying that would be for Pope.

533
00:29:51,253 --> 00:29:54,133
Speaker 5: Pretty hard to replace Root at four, Brook at five

534
00:29:54,173 --> 00:29:58,013
Speaker 5: and Stokes at six. I would have sought, and then

535
00:29:58,093 --> 00:30:01,013
Speaker 5: seven's probably you keeper Pope can keep. Of course he's

536
00:30:01,093 --> 00:30:05,293
Speaker 5: kept before, he's been the vice captain. He's had eighteen

537
00:30:05,413 --> 00:30:09,573
Speaker 5: times more tests, fifty six of them. He's over three

538
00:30:09,653 --> 00:30:14,773
Speaker 5: three hundred runs. Okay, thirty five isn't brilliant for a

539
00:30:14,853 --> 00:30:22,693
Speaker 5: number three. But nevertheless, you're not really comparing like Withoud

540
00:30:22,893 --> 00:30:28,133
Speaker 5: Like for me, there where does Smith go? I mean

541
00:30:28,333 --> 00:30:31,053
Speaker 5: that they haven't sorted out their team yet, have they

542
00:30:31,533 --> 00:30:32,333
Speaker 5: doesn't seem to me.

543
00:30:33,493 --> 00:30:35,293
Speaker 6: We don't know who the bowlers are going to be.

544
00:30:36,373 --> 00:30:40,493
Speaker 5: I mean Archer is on the sideline, Brighton cast is

545
00:30:40,533 --> 00:30:43,813
Speaker 5: on the sideline. They'll want him, I think, and Wokes

546
00:30:44,493 --> 00:30:48,293
Speaker 5: of courses on the sideline as well. So you would

547
00:30:48,413 --> 00:30:50,693
Speaker 5: think they would come into it, wouldn't you.

548
00:30:51,293 --> 00:30:52,293
Speaker 6: I certainly would.

549
00:30:53,013 --> 00:30:55,973
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well we're going to do if they're fit enough. Yeah,

550
00:30:56,013 --> 00:30:57,893
Speaker 3: And that's one of the things that they've got so

551
00:30:57,973 --> 00:31:02,893
Speaker 3: many players online to bowl, the fitness aspect and they

552
00:31:03,053 --> 00:31:08,573
Speaker 3: trying out different players from my Statistics Department of out

553
00:31:09,053 --> 00:31:13,613
Speaker 3: that Test match and I marked in boxes of little

554
00:31:13,693 --> 00:31:18,133
Speaker 3: relevance or no relevance of all. There was a statistic

555
00:31:18,213 --> 00:31:24,413
Speaker 3: that came out in my websites. Sam Cook is the

556
00:31:24,413 --> 00:31:28,333
Speaker 3: first England debutant to bowl the very first ball of

557
00:31:28,413 --> 00:31:32,773
Speaker 3: his maiden Test innings since Martin McKay against Australia at

558
00:31:32,773 --> 00:31:36,453
Speaker 3: trent Bridge in nineteen ninety three. Wow do we need

559
00:31:36,493 --> 00:31:38,813
Speaker 3: to know that, Jerry? That's something I'm going to carry

560
00:31:38,813 --> 00:31:41,493
Speaker 3: around me. That will be the two in question in

561
00:31:41,533 --> 00:31:45,053
Speaker 3: a quiz somewhere around the world. You know who wants

562
00:31:45,093 --> 00:31:45,853
Speaker 3: to be a millionaire?

563
00:31:45,853 --> 00:31:47,613
Speaker 6: Won't it?

564
00:31:47,893 --> 00:31:51,893
Speaker 5: Probably should be? Probably should be. I'm surprised at the

565
00:31:51,893 --> 00:31:53,253
Speaker 5: headlined and the herald.

566
00:31:54,213 --> 00:31:55,053
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was.

567
00:31:55,973 --> 00:31:59,533
Speaker 5: Really it's as an extraordinary stat That means they've got

568
00:31:59,533 --> 00:32:02,053
Speaker 5: nothing much to say about the game, doesn't it really?

569
00:32:02,813 --> 00:32:03,533
Speaker 6: Sam Clitz.

570
00:32:03,853 --> 00:32:07,933
Speaker 5: I wonder whether he was singing you know another sadder

571
00:32:08,133 --> 00:32:10,333
Speaker 5: and and I ainka.

572
00:32:10,893 --> 00:32:16,253
Speaker 6: Remember that one said, that's the one. That's the one

573
00:32:16,333 --> 00:32:20,773
Speaker 6: we're talking about. The chair cha gag working on the chain,

574
00:32:21,293 --> 00:32:21,653
Speaker 6: That's right.

575
00:32:22,053 --> 00:32:23,773
Speaker 3: I thought that that's how I thought they'd picked for

576
00:32:23,813 --> 00:32:25,573
Speaker 3: the Test when they when they name him, of course,

577
00:32:25,613 --> 00:32:29,133
Speaker 3: Sam Cook certainly passed on a little bit. But you know,

578
00:32:29,413 --> 00:32:31,733
Speaker 3: he didn't set the world on fire. He's just another

579
00:32:31,773 --> 00:32:34,053
Speaker 3: one there that could do the job. The man they

580
00:32:34,253 --> 00:32:37,133
Speaker 3: miss is Wood, isn't it.

581
00:32:37,973 --> 00:32:39,133
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, well that's right.

582
00:32:39,373 --> 00:32:41,773
Speaker 5: So I didn't mention Wood, Yes, of course, and he's

583
00:32:41,813 --> 00:32:46,053
Speaker 5: of course he's going through injury sort of rehabilitation at

584
00:32:46,053 --> 00:32:49,973
Speaker 5: the moment too, isn't he. So they have got choices,

585
00:32:50,013 --> 00:32:51,973
Speaker 5: but they have to have them ready, and they have

586
00:32:52,093 --> 00:32:54,933
Speaker 5: to have played a bit, don't they really before they

587
00:32:54,933 --> 00:32:58,493
Speaker 5: can head out to Ozzie. They'll be looking at Ozzie

588
00:32:58,933 --> 00:33:02,693
Speaker 5: even though they're playing India, and they won't they won't

589
00:33:02,733 --> 00:33:05,653
Speaker 5: admit it that they will be thinking of Australia. There's

590
00:33:05,693 --> 00:33:09,773
Speaker 5: no doubt about that. But I'm not surprised old Sammy Cook.

591
00:33:10,533 --> 00:33:15,453
Speaker 5: You know, seventy eight miles an hour a seamer bowling

592
00:33:15,453 --> 00:33:19,293
Speaker 5: on a flat pitch, really flat, that bounces a bit,

593
00:33:19,373 --> 00:33:23,733
Speaker 5: so links doesn't matter. And short boundaries on one side.

594
00:33:24,173 --> 00:33:27,493
Speaker 5: I mean that bridge where they put the new stand there. Man,

595
00:33:28,053 --> 00:33:30,653
Speaker 5: that's very short, and you can't turn and chase the

596
00:33:30,653 --> 00:33:31,333
Speaker 5: ball and catch it.

597
00:33:31,333 --> 00:33:34,133
Speaker 6: You just haven't got a show. So he went for

598
00:33:34,173 --> 00:33:36,133
Speaker 6: a few mos so did all the bowlers.

599
00:33:36,173 --> 00:33:38,813
Speaker 3: Actually, yeah, that's the speed you bowl out though, don't

600
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Speaker 3: you really spend a lot of time on the chain

601
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Speaker 3: game seventy eight.

602
00:33:42,013 --> 00:33:45,933
Speaker 5: Exact well, pulling that pulling those chains too as you're

603
00:33:45,973 --> 00:33:46,373
Speaker 5: running it.

604
00:33:46,453 --> 00:33:48,133
Speaker 6: It's not easy.

605
00:33:48,013 --> 00:33:51,613
Speaker 3: They're quite heavy to do. The man, of course, he

606
00:33:51,733 --> 00:33:55,373
Speaker 3: was the surprise and he's probably as much a talking

607
00:33:55,413 --> 00:34:01,213
Speaker 3: point around England cricket as the batting of Crawley and

608
00:34:01,213 --> 00:34:05,293
Speaker 3: perhaps Cher. But boy, he knows how to take wiggets

609
00:34:05,333 --> 00:34:07,373
Speaker 3: and Test cricket. He can't get in the county team,

610
00:34:07,453 --> 00:34:08,813
Speaker 3: but he can take this.

611
00:34:12,653 --> 00:34:13,653
Speaker 6: They should invert it.

612
00:34:14,053 --> 00:34:17,293
Speaker 5: They should have Tests down there and Glamorgan is that

613
00:34:18,133 --> 00:34:19,453
Speaker 5: is the Test match itself.

614
00:34:19,893 --> 00:34:23,493
Speaker 6: So yeah, I don't know Glamorgan plays India.

615
00:34:23,773 --> 00:34:30,893
Speaker 5: Yeah, he certainly seems to thrive under Stokes captaincy, doesn't he.

616
00:34:30,893 --> 00:34:32,213
Speaker 6: He just seems to.

617
00:34:32,133 --> 00:34:35,773
Speaker 5: Get a whole lot of confidence and away he goes.

618
00:34:36,253 --> 00:34:41,133
Speaker 5: He's struggled to get wickets for Glamorgan there is. He's

619
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Speaker 5: done very well against the Zimbabwe side.

620
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Speaker 6: I don't know. It's a bit of a mystery, isn't it.

621
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Speaker 5: They've got themselves into a bit of a quandary wdds,

622
00:34:50,693 --> 00:34:55,493
Speaker 5: haven't they a quandary? About Basher. I see Leamy Dawson

623
00:34:55,613 --> 00:34:58,853
Speaker 5: is still getting runs and taking wickets.

624
00:34:58,653 --> 00:35:02,613
Speaker 3: And Ryan Armored is scoring centuries opening the batting for

625
00:35:02,693 --> 00:35:06,093
Speaker 3: Leicestershire who are top of the Second Division. Also his

626
00:35:06,173 --> 00:35:08,853
Speaker 3: leg spinning and he's only young as well, but years

627
00:35:08,893 --> 00:35:12,853
Speaker 3: twenty one twenty two around arms still young. So they've

628
00:35:12,853 --> 00:35:15,453
Speaker 3: got the players there, but I think it'll be a while.

629
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Speaker 3: And the Test match against Indias. That's why sometime toward

630
00:35:18,653 --> 00:35:20,573
Speaker 3: the end of June twentieth and June somewhere around there.

631
00:35:20,653 --> 00:35:21,653
Speaker 6: Yeah, something like that.

632
00:35:21,973 --> 00:35:24,173
Speaker 3: Are you going to be watching those You're going to

633
00:35:24,173 --> 00:35:25,293
Speaker 3: the World Test Championship.

634
00:35:25,533 --> 00:35:28,573
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm going to the World Test Championship that starts

635
00:35:28,613 --> 00:35:31,293
Speaker 5: on about the tenth of June or eleventh of June

636
00:35:31,373 --> 00:35:31,933
Speaker 5: something like that.

637
00:35:32,333 --> 00:35:32,533
Speaker 7: Yep.

638
00:35:33,173 --> 00:35:36,653
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not sure about I've had an invite to

639
00:35:36,653 --> 00:35:40,293
Speaker 5: do a couple of the India Tests at the moment,

640
00:35:40,853 --> 00:35:43,453
Speaker 5: may get some more wait and see, I don't know yet.

641
00:35:43,493 --> 00:35:44,933
Speaker 6: That's a yeah.

642
00:35:45,173 --> 00:35:48,733
Speaker 3: We'll get the up to date from you as those

643
00:35:48,813 --> 00:35:51,813
Speaker 3: things go along, and they'll probably get closer to naming

644
00:35:51,893 --> 00:35:55,213
Speaker 3: their England side as we get a little bit closer

645
00:35:55,293 --> 00:35:58,733
Speaker 3: to that date. Talking about strange things now it's just

646
00:35:59,053 --> 00:36:01,733
Speaker 3: I don't know why these things keep popping up on Facebook,

647
00:36:02,373 --> 00:36:06,853
Speaker 3: but I saw a replay back to nineteen eighty of

648
00:36:06,933 --> 00:36:11,773
Speaker 3: an incident where Colin Cross bumped into the umpire. Who

649
00:36:11,773 --> 00:36:13,613
Speaker 3: were the two New Zealand Investment at the crease at

650
00:36:13,613 --> 00:36:15,933
Speaker 3: the time, Jerry, I.

651
00:36:15,653 --> 00:36:18,573
Speaker 5: Think, well, I was one of them at the non

652
00:36:18,693 --> 00:36:23,333
Speaker 5: striker's end when there's occurred because Fred. I had to

653
00:36:23,373 --> 00:36:25,533
Speaker 5: get out of the way very quickly, out of Fred's

654
00:36:25,613 --> 00:36:30,933
Speaker 5: way as he short lid wicket, probably the quickest I

655
00:36:31,133 --> 00:36:32,733
Speaker 5: moved the entire game.

656
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Speaker 6: But the I think at the other end was Richard Hadley.

657
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Speaker 3: Correct, you've got a good memory. Wonderfully done.

658
00:36:39,733 --> 00:36:41,333
Speaker 6: Yeah, I noticed you didn't.

659
00:36:41,093 --> 00:36:44,053
Speaker 3: Step in to take Colin croft on when he nudged

660
00:36:44,773 --> 00:36:47,053
Speaker 3: Fred out of the way. I thought you might have

661
00:36:47,413 --> 00:36:50,773
Speaker 3: been strong and held your bat up to him and said, eh,

662
00:36:50,853 --> 00:36:54,173
Speaker 3: Crafty you know. I mean, we've worked with Crafty since

663
00:36:54,173 --> 00:36:54,773
Speaker 3: he retired.

664
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Speaker 6: And I did stand.

665
00:36:56,733 --> 00:36:59,533
Speaker 5: Up for Fred though the ball before, because if you remember,

666
00:36:59,573 --> 00:37:04,053
Speaker 5: he rather petulantly walked back after being no balled and

667
00:37:04,213 --> 00:37:07,533
Speaker 5: flicked the baiales off that's right and right in front

668
00:37:07,573 --> 00:37:09,973
Speaker 5: of where Fred was, and I said, just leave those Fred,

669
00:37:10,093 --> 00:37:12,253
Speaker 5: I'll get that I'll pick those up and so I

670
00:37:12,293 --> 00:37:13,773
Speaker 5: put them back on.

671
00:37:14,053 --> 00:37:18,213
Speaker 6: Yeah, so I had sided very strongly with.

672
00:37:18,733 --> 00:37:22,213
Speaker 3: Yeah, Clive Lloyd when he walked down and was joined

673
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Speaker 3: by Yeah.

674
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Speaker 6: It's I wonder what he said.

675
00:37:25,893 --> 00:37:29,213
Speaker 5: Yeah, well he was holding his dislocated shoulder at the

676
00:37:29,293 --> 00:37:33,213
Speaker 5: time and Steve Woodwood went over as well with him.

677
00:37:33,293 --> 00:37:38,413
Speaker 5: So and five didn't move one step from deep first

678
00:37:38,453 --> 00:37:42,693
Speaker 5: slip at the other end, so they were all exhausted.

679
00:37:43,733 --> 00:37:46,133
Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly. So it was very hard to hear from

680
00:37:46,133 --> 00:37:46,813
Speaker 6: where I was.

681
00:37:47,413 --> 00:37:51,533
Speaker 5: But yeah, that that was a that was a very

682
00:37:52,653 --> 00:37:55,853
Speaker 5: I don't know, just not a nice test to play

683
00:37:55,893 --> 00:37:56,653
Speaker 5: and really.

684
00:37:57,173 --> 00:38:00,333
Speaker 3: No, and I could tell that by both your sort

685
00:38:00,333 --> 00:38:04,093
Speaker 3: of reaction and also Richard Hadley who just stood there

686
00:38:04,133 --> 00:38:07,013
Speaker 3: and did the John Parker filling with his gloves and

687
00:38:07,253 --> 00:38:10,373
Speaker 3: having a look around without ever wanting to walk off

688
00:38:10,413 --> 00:38:12,533
Speaker 3: the park. And it was a test match, of course,

689
00:38:13,053 --> 00:38:16,693
Speaker 3: in a series that New Zealand performed well at just

690
00:38:16,693 --> 00:38:20,733
Speaker 3: just to finish office segment on the program, Jerrian, there

691
00:38:20,813 --> 00:38:23,493
Speaker 3: might well have been a need for a replacement umpire,

692
00:38:23,493 --> 00:38:26,573
Speaker 3: but Fred was strong and stood there. But coming out

693
00:38:26,613 --> 00:38:30,533
Speaker 3: of the Zimbabwe Test was an interesting piece where it

694
00:38:30,653 --> 00:38:32,333
Speaker 3: was questioned is it time for Cricket to make a

695
00:38:32,413 --> 00:38:36,413
Speaker 3: change to allow teams to replace injured players. Zimbabwe were

696
00:38:36,453 --> 00:38:39,373
Speaker 3: struggling in the Test match and when their front line

697
00:38:39,413 --> 00:38:42,333
Speaker 3: bowler Richard Nagarava had to be helped from the field

698
00:38:42,413 --> 00:38:46,013
Speaker 3: with a back injury, they were left one bowl a short.

699
00:38:46,173 --> 00:38:47,853
Speaker 3: He came back but didn't really play a part and

700
00:38:47,973 --> 00:38:50,333
Speaker 3: wasn't going to win the game for them anyway. But

701
00:38:51,493 --> 00:38:57,133
Speaker 3: it raised the question should a player be allowed to

702
00:38:57,573 --> 00:39:01,613
Speaker 3: have a replacement be replaced in the field? Can neither

703
00:39:01,653 --> 00:39:04,373
Speaker 3: bat or bowl? What is the scenario because I mean,

704
00:39:05,733 --> 00:39:08,013
Speaker 3: you can't even have a runner now. I think at

705
00:39:08,053 --> 00:39:10,213
Speaker 3: time when somebody gets injured in the game, they should

706
00:39:10,213 --> 00:39:12,853
Speaker 3: be allowed to have a runner. But I'm not a

707
00:39:12,933 --> 00:39:20,453
Speaker 3: great fan for having injured players replaced as such unless

708
00:39:20,493 --> 00:39:23,693
Speaker 3: it's like for like because of an injury received in

709
00:39:23,773 --> 00:39:27,333
Speaker 3: the game, because sometimes players can take injuries into a

710
00:39:27,373 --> 00:39:31,333
Speaker 3: game find that they're not working, conditions don't suit them. Boy,

711
00:39:31,413 --> 00:39:33,333
Speaker 3: we need a spinner here rather than a seam boler.

712
00:39:33,653 --> 00:39:37,133
Speaker 3: Let's get a replacement. This guy's injured. How do you

713
00:39:37,173 --> 00:39:37,853
Speaker 3: feel about that?

714
00:39:38,453 --> 00:39:41,533
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's the whole question is an interesting one, isn't it?

715
00:39:41,573 --> 00:39:44,173
Speaker 5: And sport generally today, but of course in cricket. You

716
00:39:44,173 --> 00:39:48,573
Speaker 5: can have concussion subs, can't you. They're complete changes like

717
00:39:48,613 --> 00:39:51,013
Speaker 5: for like, as you say, COVID subs.

718
00:39:51,053 --> 00:39:54,773
Speaker 6: We had, of course we had subs.

719
00:39:54,933 --> 00:39:58,813
Speaker 5: I think you can have some cricket boards at the

720
00:39:58,853 --> 00:40:01,333
Speaker 5: domestic level will allow sub won't they. If a player

721
00:40:01,373 --> 00:40:05,213
Speaker 5: has to go maybe onto international duty, they will allow

722
00:40:05,373 --> 00:40:09,573
Speaker 5: a sub and.

723
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Speaker 3: That person can actually play a full part in the

724
00:40:10,693 --> 00:40:13,133
Speaker 3: game if they have to go away for international duties

725
00:40:13,213 --> 00:40:15,213
Speaker 3: or something along those lines. So that's fair enough to

726
00:40:15,213 --> 00:40:15,773
Speaker 3: my mind.

727
00:40:16,293 --> 00:40:20,573
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's correct. It has become an issue really. I

728
00:40:20,613 --> 00:40:23,973
Speaker 5: mean there was a period of time where the Australians

729
00:40:24,013 --> 00:40:27,733
Speaker 5: in particular would leave the field for what they called

730
00:40:27,733 --> 00:40:29,973
Speaker 5: a comfort break, wasn't it.

731
00:40:30,053 --> 00:40:34,013
Speaker 6: The bowlers would head away which they could.

732
00:40:33,933 --> 00:40:36,333
Speaker 5: Change their shirt or their boots, or they could have

733
00:40:36,373 --> 00:40:40,573
Speaker 5: a shower and a quick rub down. That's been stopped now.

734
00:40:40,653 --> 00:40:44,413
Speaker 5: You can't allow have a sub for those things. You've

735
00:40:44,453 --> 00:40:47,133
Speaker 5: got to be ill or you've got to be injured,

736
00:40:47,893 --> 00:40:51,213
Speaker 5: and that's at the umpire's discretion or for some other

737
00:40:51,493 --> 00:40:55,973
Speaker 5: wholly acceptable reason wise, so like maybe an illness or

738
00:40:56,013 --> 00:40:59,613
Speaker 5: a death in the family, circumstances that have got to

739
00:40:59,613 --> 00:41:03,173
Speaker 5: be extreme. It's a really interesting one, Ponting, I remember

740
00:41:03,253 --> 00:41:08,013
Speaker 5: you're in in two thousand and five. He thought England

741
00:41:08,013 --> 00:41:12,173
Speaker 5: would and resting their bowlers and bringing on great fieldsmen,

742
00:41:12,253 --> 00:41:14,773
Speaker 5: much better than the faster bowlers who had just departed

743
00:41:15,693 --> 00:41:16,773
Speaker 5: to go and change.

744
00:41:16,493 --> 00:41:18,693
Speaker 6: Their socks or something or other. And of course he

745
00:41:18,813 --> 00:41:20,413
Speaker 6: was run out, wasn't he.

746
00:41:21,813 --> 00:41:23,973
Speaker 5: By one of the players too, So he was really

747
00:41:24,053 --> 00:41:25,053
Speaker 5: angry at the time.

748
00:41:25,693 --> 00:41:27,853
Speaker 6: But it's odd. It's odd, isn't it.

749
00:41:27,893 --> 00:41:32,653
Speaker 5: If you think about cricket, how they've devised shortened games

750
00:41:32,693 --> 00:41:37,453
Speaker 5: like condensed matches, twenty overs, fifty overs. They've had power plays,

751
00:41:37,573 --> 00:41:42,853
Speaker 5: they've worked out umpire reviews, they've had night games, they've

752
00:41:42,893 --> 00:41:46,253
Speaker 5: had super overs, they've had different colors of ball.

753
00:41:47,053 --> 00:41:50,173
Speaker 6: I mean, cricket has been very flexible.

754
00:41:49,613 --> 00:41:54,053
Speaker 5: I suppose, is what I'm saying, and has remodeled itself

755
00:41:54,333 --> 00:41:58,813
Speaker 5: to the demands sometimes of fans who were on fast forward,

756
00:41:59,493 --> 00:42:02,853
Speaker 5: you know, and want a bit more excitement and a

757
00:42:02,853 --> 00:42:06,573
Speaker 5: lot of that these days, sometimes for survival where the

758
00:42:06,973 --> 00:42:10,213
Speaker 5: cricket feels that it's going down slightly and it needs

759
00:42:10,253 --> 00:42:13,573
Speaker 5: something new on the shelf, or sometimes you know, just

760
00:42:13,613 --> 00:42:15,973
Speaker 5: for prosperity and for cash.

761
00:42:16,373 --> 00:42:17,453
Speaker 6: They do that as well.

762
00:42:17,973 --> 00:42:22,493
Speaker 5: But a tweaked hamstring at the moment leaves a kind

763
00:42:22,533 --> 00:42:24,013
Speaker 5: of a burden on all the.

764
00:42:24,013 --> 00:42:25,853
Speaker 6: Other bowlers, doesn't it.

765
00:42:25,933 --> 00:42:30,173
Speaker 5: In the side, and you know, suddenly the demand on

766
00:42:30,253 --> 00:42:33,253
Speaker 5: them to bowl more overs. They might have just finished

767
00:42:33,333 --> 00:42:35,773
Speaker 5: nine overs and a spell with the old ball, and

768
00:42:35,813 --> 00:42:38,373
Speaker 5: there they've got to take the new ball now suddenly.

769
00:42:38,893 --> 00:42:43,373
Speaker 5: I can remember, for example, when Chats went off the

770
00:42:43,373 --> 00:42:45,613
Speaker 5: field and purse and all of.

771
00:42:45,573 --> 00:42:50,253
Speaker 6: The other bowlers had to stand up and bowl extra overs.

772
00:42:50,533 --> 00:42:53,093
Speaker 5: Sometimes you've got to look around and find another bowler

773
00:42:53,133 --> 00:42:56,773
Speaker 5: occasionally as well. The other thing, of course, is that a

774
00:42:56,773 --> 00:43:00,253
Speaker 5: lot of comes from other sports, doesn't it.

775
00:43:00,813 --> 00:43:03,133
Speaker 6: Yeah, you get a lot of that with.

776
00:43:03,453 --> 00:43:06,253
Speaker 5: You know, subs for soccer and all those sorts of

777
00:43:06,293 --> 00:43:12,293
Speaker 5: things as well. But it certainly any difference between the sides,

778
00:43:12,333 --> 00:43:16,213
Speaker 5: There's no doubt it's distorted when you have an injury

779
00:43:16,253 --> 00:43:21,013
Speaker 5: to your side. Soccer allow as I say, tactical subs

780
00:43:21,173 --> 00:43:22,573
Speaker 5: rugby clears the bench.

781
00:43:23,533 --> 00:43:26,213
Speaker 6: How would you like to be a prop? Once you'd

782
00:43:26,253 --> 00:43:26,933
Speaker 6: be a good prop.

783
00:43:27,933 --> 00:43:32,013
Speaker 5: I'd break both my legs in the first scrum and

784
00:43:32,053 --> 00:43:35,973
Speaker 5: have two shoulders buried into the ground.

785
00:43:36,853 --> 00:43:40,253
Speaker 6: Well, if you worked as a prop, did you?

786
00:43:41,093 --> 00:43:41,293
Speaker 7: Yeah?

787
00:43:41,813 --> 00:43:50,253
Speaker 9: Ah right, you might understand that if you had worked

788
00:43:50,293 --> 00:43:53,653
Speaker 9: against your opponent right throughout your rugby game, and you

789
00:43:53,693 --> 00:43:56,573
Speaker 9: had a test of endurance and strength, and with twenty

790
00:43:56,613 --> 00:43:59,213
Speaker 9: minutes to go he was your opponent was history.

791
00:43:59,613 --> 00:44:01,333
Speaker 6: You'd got the better of him.

792
00:44:01,813 --> 00:44:04,533
Speaker 5: And then suddenly when just at the very time you

793
00:44:04,573 --> 00:44:08,493
Speaker 5: can take advantage of all that effort, and on comes a.

794
00:44:08,533 --> 00:44:14,213
Speaker 6: New guy, fresh up against you. I don't like that here.

795
00:44:14,653 --> 00:44:18,333
Speaker 6: I don't like that idea. It does. Look at the

796
00:44:18,373 --> 00:44:19,053
Speaker 6: South Africans.

797
00:44:19,053 --> 00:44:22,093
Speaker 5: They have about five or six of their reserves are

798
00:44:22,133 --> 00:44:23,413
Speaker 5: all forwards, aren't they.

799
00:44:23,733 --> 00:44:26,733
Speaker 6: So you know, I don't like that.

800
00:44:26,813 --> 00:44:32,293
Speaker 5: Idea of replacement, continual replacement. Who's at for It's for

801
00:44:32,373 --> 00:44:36,213
Speaker 5: the fans really, the excitement of keeping the game going.

802
00:44:36,293 --> 00:44:40,533
Speaker 5: What if you're a lock and you're knackered and suddenly

803
00:44:40,573 --> 00:44:42,973
Speaker 5: you're matching up man on man as they do all

804
00:44:43,013 --> 00:44:46,093
Speaker 5: the time nowadays, and a little space open up and

805
00:44:46,253 --> 00:44:48,813
Speaker 5: suddenly you can't get up there close enough term as

806
00:44:48,853 --> 00:44:51,733
Speaker 5: a lock, and they're through and they score a try.

807
00:44:53,133 --> 00:44:53,533
Speaker 6: You see.

808
00:44:53,573 --> 00:44:58,813
Speaker 5: I think those are the things that resilience is very

809
00:44:58,933 --> 00:45:04,013
Speaker 5: much part of sport. Teams ought to be questioned to

810
00:45:04,133 --> 00:45:08,293
Speaker 5: the last ounce of their collective strengths.

811
00:45:08,693 --> 00:45:09,893
Speaker 6: I was one of those.

812
00:45:09,933 --> 00:45:12,573
Speaker 5: And I think most of the players are like that actually,

813
00:45:13,693 --> 00:45:18,693
Speaker 5: you know, and teams need to confront problems and solve them.

814
00:45:19,293 --> 00:45:21,533
Speaker 5: And that's what we managed to do when Chats was

815
00:45:21,533 --> 00:45:24,693
Speaker 5: off the field. Bowlers don't get a runner, do they.

816
00:45:28,333 --> 00:45:34,293
Speaker 5: I mean we have seen that the spirit of the

817
00:45:34,333 --> 00:45:38,493
Speaker 5: game change and players have to respond.

818
00:45:38,933 --> 00:45:39,133
Speaker 2: You know.

819
00:45:39,253 --> 00:45:42,613
Speaker 5: Look, you look at things words like cricket is a

820
00:45:42,653 --> 00:45:46,133
Speaker 5: game eleven worth eleven. That's why they don't change it.

821
00:45:46,133 --> 00:45:48,733
Speaker 5: It's the ultimate test of your body and your courage

822
00:45:48,773 --> 00:45:53,533
Speaker 5: and so on adversity. Did you ever see Jarq Pallace

823
00:45:53,613 --> 00:45:56,733
Speaker 5: hobbling to the wicket and was it an adelaide? He

824
00:45:56,773 --> 00:46:01,253
Speaker 5: couldn't bowl, he couldn't field and he smashed fifty eight

825
00:46:02,373 --> 00:46:03,013
Speaker 5: against them.

826
00:46:03,613 --> 00:46:04,933
Speaker 6: Did you see Nathan.

827
00:46:04,693 --> 00:46:09,173
Speaker 5: Lyon at Lord's skipping out to bat the last Ashes

828
00:46:09,293 --> 00:46:13,093
Speaker 5: series because he couldn't bowl and he went out to

829
00:46:13,173 --> 00:46:17,773
Speaker 5: bat though to extend the lead of Australia And those

830
00:46:17,853 --> 00:46:21,413
Speaker 5: sorts of things. I can remember Peter Siddle bowling all

831
00:46:21,453 --> 00:46:25,093
Speaker 5: afternoon having to take the new ball. Look, the ultimate thing,

832
00:46:25,133 --> 00:46:28,773
Speaker 5: isn't it is Bert Suckliffe coming back after going to

833
00:46:28,853 --> 00:46:32,373
Speaker 5: hospital with the band Johnny's head and Bob Blair is

834
00:46:32,453 --> 00:46:38,573
Speaker 5: fiance dying, you know, over the the train crash at

835
00:46:38,653 --> 00:46:44,293
Speaker 5: Tangy Way, and both those players playing it shows you

836
00:46:44,373 --> 00:46:46,093
Speaker 5: a different part of the players.

837
00:46:47,013 --> 00:46:49,373
Speaker 6: I just kind of tried to provide the two.

838
00:46:49,293 --> 00:46:56,213
Speaker 5: Arguments for subs being there and for subs not being there.

839
00:46:57,333 --> 00:47:00,093
Speaker 3: Yeah, it'll be interesting to see whether it gains traction

840
00:47:00,213 --> 00:47:03,733
Speaker 3: with the ICC, those men who make those wonderful decisions

841
00:47:03,973 --> 00:47:06,293
Speaker 3: out of India, whether it comes up at one of

842
00:47:06,373 --> 00:47:10,613
Speaker 3: their board meetings, will be following it with a great

843
00:47:10,613 --> 00:47:12,373
Speaker 3: deal of interest, a lot of things to talk about.

844
00:47:13,133 --> 00:47:15,333
Speaker 3: We've got a test match coming up for the World

845
00:47:15,413 --> 00:47:18,813
Speaker 3: Test Championship. We might preview that next week, Jerry before

846
00:47:18,853 --> 00:47:19,773
Speaker 3: you get on the plane.

847
00:47:20,333 --> 00:47:24,053
Speaker 6: Yeah, good, that's fine. That's no problem at all. A

848
00:47:24,053 --> 00:47:27,413
Speaker 6: little bit it should be. You'd you'd have to post Ossie.

849
00:47:27,493 --> 00:47:29,773
Speaker 5: I think at the moment, wouldn't you such a difficult

850
00:47:29,813 --> 00:47:30,493
Speaker 5: team to beat?

851
00:47:31,613 --> 00:47:34,573
Speaker 6: But you don't know. South Africa have got some good

852
00:47:34,613 --> 00:47:35,413
Speaker 6: players too.

853
00:47:35,973 --> 00:47:38,253
Speaker 3: They have indeed. Well, we'll look at that next week

854
00:47:38,613 --> 00:47:43,013
Speaker 3: and a few other issues going around the cricketing scene. Meanwhile,

855
00:47:43,213 --> 00:47:45,933
Speaker 3: you can put your feet up, head on your jams

856
00:47:45,973 --> 00:47:49,613
Speaker 3: and take yourself ready, do your research. Jerry do your research.

857
00:47:50,213 --> 00:47:53,573
Speaker 3: I'm sorry I haven't been able to get that psychometric

858
00:47:53,653 --> 00:47:56,573
Speaker 3: test I was going to get for you, but you

859
00:47:56,653 --> 00:47:58,053
Speaker 3: may hold it off till next week.

860
00:47:59,013 --> 00:48:01,013
Speaker 5: Yeah, I've been missed out on the Captain say, I'm

861
00:48:01,053 --> 00:48:05,133
Speaker 5: really sad down here. Wads couldn't couldn't answer question four,

862
00:48:05,293 --> 00:48:07,853
Speaker 5: five or seven at all?

863
00:48:08,333 --> 00:48:12,013
Speaker 6: If that is three questions, that is three questions.

864
00:48:14,293 --> 00:48:18,693
Speaker 3: Oh, don't get the research book, chat the leader, take

865
00:48:18,733 --> 00:48:20,453
Speaker 3: care of you.

866
00:48:22,213 --> 00:48:22,293
Speaker 4: But.

867
00:48:24,293 --> 00:48:28,453
Speaker 6: All the world forsmming

868
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