1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:00,840 Speaker 1: Jason, are you there? 2 00:00:01,240 --> 00:00:04,920 Speaker 2: I am hello, Sorry here for a second, Hello, Hello. 3 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: Okay, So what's going on here? Is Winston just relaxed 4 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:09,559 Speaker 1: about what happens to this hiccler or is it actually 5 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 1: going for him? 6 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 2: Well he doesn't see, he says publicly, he doesn't really 7 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 2: care what happens, and it's up to Tomkin and Taylor 8 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:19,440 Speaker 2: when it comes to sort of deciding the fate of 9 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 2: this individual. If you are unclear about what Heather and 10 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:26,079 Speaker 2: I are talking about. This was the exchange that Winston Peters, 11 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 2: the Deputy Prime Minister, had with a member of public 12 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 2: yesterday at a Wellington at Wellington's railway station. 13 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 3: Bollocks load of pollock. Looked like, well, it's gone up 14 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 3: in the mirror, Sunshine. You look like like bollocks mate, 15 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 3: Sunjoine you. 16 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:45,199 Speaker 2: It's just every time I listened to it, I like, 17 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:48,319 Speaker 2: that's our deputy prime minister and some random dude at 18 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 2: a train station. It's it's just, it's very fine. I 19 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:51,959 Speaker 2: should have checked if I'm allowed to say the word 20 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 2: bollocks on radio before I played that, but anyway, too late. 21 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 2: And this member of the public, he was wearing a 22 00:00:57,440 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 2: Tomkin and Taylor lanyard at the time, so a little 23 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 2: hardest thing to do in this age where everything is 24 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 2: being filmed. Now, it might have just flown under the 25 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:08,040 Speaker 2: radar if it wasn't for the fact the person that 26 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:10,959 Speaker 2: he was having a crack at was one with Winston 27 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 2: Raymond Peters. In an interview with Hosking this morning, Winston 28 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 2: really dug in saying that he wouldn't feel bad for 29 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:20,479 Speaker 2: the man who was heckling him if he lost his job. 30 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 2: Now heading out of the house today, Winston was pretty unapologetic. 31 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:29,680 Speaker 3: But on personal free speech now, filthy fell expet of 32 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 3: Leyden vitriol is not free speech and if you think 33 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:36,680 Speaker 3: it is, you guys got a new stand and little. 34 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 2: I do have to disagree with him here. It doesn't 35 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 2: matter what you're saying. It's still free speech. So it 36 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 2: can be as dirty as you want, as long as 37 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:43,960 Speaker 2: what you're saying is you know you have the right 38 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 2: to say it. I think you know the more you're 39 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 2: not free from consequences, rather than you can say what 40 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 2: you want. But the Prime Minister wasn't particularly worried about 41 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 2: it either. 42 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 1: Oh look, I mean as Winston and he's been operating 43 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 1: in Parliament for forty something years. 44 00:01:58,840 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 2: He's got a different style. 45 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 1: But yeah, he's a very affective politician. 46 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 2: He's a veryffected leader. Now, I don't know how many 47 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 2: times I've heard the Prime Minister say, oh, it's Winston 48 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 2: being Winston so far into this term, but I think 49 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:12,079 Speaker 2: we're getting up there. I'm gonna have to start counting 50 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 2: on more than two hands. 51 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 1: Now do we actually know what? 52 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 2: I mean? 53 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: The thing is, from what I can understand, Tomkin and 54 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 1: Taylor have apologized to Winston and they are conducting an 55 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: investigation into I suppose a breach of the code of 56 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 1: conduct policy anything else like any Is there actually any 57 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 1: suggestion that anything else is going to happen to this guy? 58 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I guess, looking at it kind of 59 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 2: on objectively, he has brought the company into a bit 60 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 2: of disrepute. I mean this has now been played across 61 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:42,079 Speaker 2: z B on stuff on New Zealand Herald, all sorts 62 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:44,399 Speaker 2: of media outlets and of course the news channels as well. 63 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 2: So I mean, you know, there's there could be some 64 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 2: course of action there, but you know, without being that 65 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 2: familiar with Tomkin and Taylor's code of conduct, I can't 66 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 2: tell you. 67 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: All right, So it's obviously becoming a strategy for Nicola 68 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 1: right to print budgets with really boring covers kind of 69 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: underscore that this is her job and this is the 70 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 1: only thing she's interested in, not the flea stuff. 71 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I was Grant robertson when because we go 72 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:08,920 Speaker 2: to these things right every year, the day before the 73 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 2: budget where they take us out to the printing press 74 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 2: and they hold up the budget and then we all 75 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:14,800 Speaker 2: say what's in the budget and they say you have 76 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:17,079 Speaker 2: to wait one more sleep. I've done nine of them now, 77 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 2: so I'm a bit of an expert in them. But 78 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 2: they're not glossy like they were in the previous years. 79 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 2: There isn't some photo of some family smiling or some 80 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:27,519 Speaker 2: lovely picturesque landscape. It just has the boring sort of 81 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 2: estimates of the appropriation of budget twenty twenty five, twenty six. 82 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 2: But you know, Nikola Willis has been throwing around this 83 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 2: no BS budget. She is not really telling us what 84 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 2: the BS stands for. But one of the things is 85 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 2: it's not a bubbet budget surplus budget. I can tell 86 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 2: you that much because we won't be seeing one of 87 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 2: those for this financial year tomorrow. But she did have 88 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 2: a bit of a preview for us when we're talking 89 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:53,839 Speaker 2: to her today. 90 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 4: And my very first priest release, you'll see how much 91 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 4: savings we have delivered from pay equity and how we've 92 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 4: allocated that to our operating and capital allowances and what 93 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 4: we're investing that, and I can give you a preview. 94 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 4: Those savings are being invested in education services and better 95 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 4: health services, more funding for our police, rebuilding New Zealand's 96 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:17,040 Speaker 4: defense capability. 97 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:19,479 Speaker 2: So we'll find out more about that tomorrow. But in 98 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 2: the House today, Nicola Willis was channeling a little bit 99 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 2: of John Key when she was talking about Labour's proposals 100 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 2: to the budget. 101 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:30,719 Speaker 4: If they keep committing to every single spending then this 102 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 4: is the question though that he faced with show me 103 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:35,720 Speaker 4: the money. 104 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 2: And you'll remember Nicola Willis actually worked in John Key's 105 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 2: office when he delivered this line during the twenty eleven 106 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 2: debate with then Labor leader Phil Goff. Does show me 107 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:50,840 Speaker 2: the money show then I got a Nicola. She wasn't done. 108 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:53,279 Speaker 2: She got a closing lick in on the Green Party 109 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:56,039 Speaker 2: during her general debate speech by taking a crack at 110 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 2: their alternative budget and just. 111 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 4: Bera thought also for Chloe's Fulbrich to save a planet 112 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 4: that she doesn't even live on, so she was. 113 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 2: In full flight today. 114 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:09,479 Speaker 1: That's actually good. Hey, thank you, Jason, appreciate it. Jason 115 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 1: Wall's News Talks it'd be Political. 116 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 3: Editor for more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive. 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