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Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty and then

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Speaker 1: you can trust locally and globally.

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Speaker 2: Joining me this evening Josie beganning, CEO at Child Fund,

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Speaker 2: Josie Good evening, Hello, good.

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Speaker 3: To see you.

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Speaker 2: And Thomas Scrimmer's here from the Maximums to Thomas Good

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Speaker 2: Evening today. Ryan thoughts on that, Josie.

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Speaker 4: Well, I don't think it's really changing much. It's just

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Speaker 4: removing it as a mandatory obligation for school board of

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Speaker 4: trustees to reflect their honoring of the treaty and so

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Speaker 4: they can still do it as these schools are. So

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Speaker 4: I don't know that it's that big an issue. I

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Speaker 4: do think for the government there's a two things. There's

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Speaker 4: a feeling that they're picking cultural fights they probably don't

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Speaker 4: need to have yes agreed, and it's partly that you know,

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Speaker 4: it gets votes, that's right. But I think I'm thinking

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Speaker 4: of Jim Boulder, actually, the late Jim Bolder.

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Speaker 5: He's saying to me just a few.

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Speaker 4: Weeks before he died, you know, why are they cutting

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Speaker 4: you know, Terio Mary, why do they have to do that?

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Speaker 4: This is a National Party former prime minister who brought

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Speaker 4: in the treaty settlement process. So I do think New

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Speaker 4: Zealanders don't want a culture war.

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Speaker 5: On the left or the right. No, I agree, So

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Speaker 5: I think they should just let it go.

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Speaker 4: But the other thing is, you know, there isn't teachers

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Speaker 4: need to I think probably stop being quite so militant

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Speaker 4: as they are. I'm picking a fight with the government

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Speaker 4: every single every time, and they're just going to turn.

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Speaker 5: People off all that.

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Speaker 2: Thomas. Let's talk about the capital gains tax. So we

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Speaker 2: have this poll today and it said basically we're a

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Speaker 2: bobbyach right or even Stevens. Thirty nine percent I think

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Speaker 2: agree with it. This is Labour's plan. Thirty nine percent

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Speaker 2: oppose it. But it wasn't a disaster like it should

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Speaker 2: be a disaster for labor. They should go, oh capital

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Speaker 2: gains text. Labour's texting, Oh we're running away, but people

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Speaker 2: aren't running away.

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Speaker 3: Yeah for sure. I mean if I was a Labor

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Speaker 3: political strategist, I'd be feeling really good about that result.

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Speaker 3: Like you say, sort of fairly mixed bag in terms

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Speaker 3: of public opinion, which for a new tax is a

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Speaker 3: pretty good thing and I think also pretty smart on

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Speaker 3: their part to launch it so far out I think

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Speaker 3: it's hard to sustain animosity to any policy over such

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Speaker 3: a long period of time, so the new Zitald public

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Speaker 3: will probably get used to it. And the other thing

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Speaker 3: Labor did was exclude the family home, which I think

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Speaker 3: from at a policy level doesn't make sense, but politically

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Speaker 3: it really does because it kind of dilutes some of

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Speaker 3: the animosity.

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Speaker 5: The only really.

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Speaker 3: Mistake they made, I think, is not accounting for inflation,

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Speaker 3: and the reason that they don't want to is that

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Speaker 3: they want more revenue from it. But it means you

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Speaker 3: could still sell your house for a loss and be

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Speaker 3: taxed on your loss, which is probably not ideal.

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Speaker 2: Its certainly not Josie, what's your take on Because we've

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Speaker 2: had poles out, we've had the epsoce thing today, and

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Speaker 2: when I go to parties, my friends, my lefty friends say, oh,

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Speaker 2: this is great.

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Speaker 5: Do you have some lefty friends, right?

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Speaker 2: Most of my friends are big, giant lefties, big lovies,

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Speaker 2: and they say, all, this is great because the other

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Speaker 2: side's getting screwed at the moment, you know, and they

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Speaker 2: love it. But then my friends on the right they say,

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Speaker 2: please please tell us this is not going the way

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Speaker 2: we think the poles tell us, it's going what do

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Speaker 5: Well, the polls are sort of over the place, aren't they.

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Speaker 4: I mean that latest poll, well, I mean that government

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Speaker 4: rating was about three point nine out of ten.

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Speaker 5: That's really low.

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Speaker 4: I mean if I got a rating like that as

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Speaker 5: Having said that, I think one of the IPSIS polls was, oh.

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Speaker 4: This is the worst worst ranking for a government since

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Speaker 4: twenty seventeen, which actually isn't that bad. I remember twenty seventy,

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Speaker 4: and I do think I think labor have to be careful.

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Speaker 4: So government, the government's got a problem. I don't think

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Speaker 4: is for. It's growth, but they don't see that cascading

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Speaker 4: into their own incomes, or their own job opportunities, or

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Speaker 4: cost of living, all of that stuff. So they're just

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Speaker 4: not seeing it. And that's a problem for the government

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Speaker 4: ring And the problem for labor is the this is

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Speaker 4: good for them. That CGT polling is really good for them,

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Speaker 4: because I would have expected it to be much worse.

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Speaker 4: If you ask people, do you like attacks like CGT,

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Speaker 4: of course you're going to say no. Tells me that

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Speaker 4: there's actually quite a lot.

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Speaker 5: Of support out there.

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Speaker 2: Something shipped out.

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Speaker 4: But Labor has to be careful Ryan that they don't

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Speaker 4: do a Peter Dutton in Australia where he was leading

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Speaker 4: in the polls for two years because it was an

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Speaker 4: anti government vote really in the polls, and then suddenly,

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Speaker 4: you know, the coalition in Australia and the Liberal Party

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Speaker 4: lost dramatically in Albanesi and Labor will voted back in.

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Speaker 5: So Labour have to be careful they.

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Speaker 4: Don't read this as one hundred percent vote for them.

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Speaker 4: It's also a vote against the government.

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Speaker 2: Don't take it for granted. Josie B. Beganni, Thomas Scrimser

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Speaker 2: on The Huddle.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty the only

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Speaker 1: truly global.

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Speaker 2: Brand twelve to six. Josie Begani and Thomas Scrimser on

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Speaker 2: The Huddle Tonight Thomas the Uber case. So the Supreme

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Speaker 2: Court has sort of upheld the appeals fallen over this

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Speaker 2: is whether an Uber employee or an Uber driver is

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Speaker 2: an employee or a contractor. They are going to be

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Speaker 2: these four at least considered employees and that will mean

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Speaker 2: well probably have big implications for the workers, although the

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Speaker 2: government's trying to legislate in this area.

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Speaker 3: Your thoughts, Yeah, well, I think there's two issues here really.

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Speaker 3: I mean the first is whether the judges of the

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Speaker 3: Supreme Court have correctly interpreted the law as it stands,

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Speaker 3: and I don't really have a view either way on that.

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Speaker 3: But I think at the more fundamental level, is an

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Speaker 3: uber driver and employee, I just can't really see how

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Speaker 3: they are. I mean, they choose what jobs they take,

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Speaker 3: they are under a no obligation to keep accepting jobs,

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Speaker 3: they can knock off when they want, they can work

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Speaker 3: for a competitor. All of these things are really classical.

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Speaker 3: What is an independent contractor? If Uber drivers are employees

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Speaker 3: not contractors, I actually don't know what an independent contractor

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Speaker 3: even is. So I think it's probably fair enough that

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Speaker 3: the government is looking to legislate in this case to

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Speaker 3: bring clarity, because clearly the courts have seen that under

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Speaker 3: the law as they read it, they are employees. But

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Speaker 3: I just don't see how that's a sustainable interpretation. They

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Speaker 3: quite clearly are contractors in my view.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't fit my definitely what I think of

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Speaker 2: when I think of an employee. Josie, So I think

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Speaker 2: there's a difference.

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Speaker 4: Wait, I think there's a difference between a self employed person.

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Speaker 4: So I've been self employed before. When I'm self employed, yep,

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Speaker 4: I set my own hours, I pay for my own holidays.

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Speaker 4: If I'm sick, I don't work and I don't get paid.

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Speaker 4: But I can negotiate my rate and I can negotiate

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Speaker 4: my conditions. I think the difference with things like Uber

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Speaker 4: drivers is they can't negotiate their their rates, their price takers, no,

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Speaker 4: so that they are in many ways like employees.

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Speaker 5: They have to work, you know, they have to.

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Speaker 4: Work to a certain rate, They have to work according

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Speaker 4: to the conditions that Uber said.

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Speaker 5: Okay, so that's a.

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Speaker 2: Bit different, Josie. When I signed because I've worked as

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Speaker 2: a contractor, is self employed a contractor and an employee.

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Speaker 2: When I'm a contractor, these guys, the bosses here, make

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Speaker 2: me sign all these things that say I won't go

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Speaker 2: and work for anyone else, you know, like I'm exclusive

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Speaker 2: to them, whereas these Uber drivers can run around with

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Speaker 2: Ded and Bolton whoever the hell else they like.

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Speaker 4: So I think I'm and you're right, this legislation coming

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Speaker 4: up on this, but I think It's about not so

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Speaker 4: much saying a contractor is an employee, but that a

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Speaker 4: contractor has the rights of workers, certain rights that certain

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Speaker 4: workers that most workers have anyway, So you could negotiate

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Speaker 4: something like the ability to get legal advice before you

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Speaker 4: sign a contract or them, you know, could make that mandatory.

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Speaker 4: It could be things like some minimum standards around you

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Speaker 4: won't work fifteen hours ago. Yeah, rather than so, I

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Speaker 4: do think it needs it does need addressing. It's not

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Speaker 4: as simple as to say one is a contractor one's employee.

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Speaker 4: It's more complicated.

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Speaker 2: Thomas Kindala residents and Wellington are really upset about the

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Speaker 2: planes flying over their houses, and they used to fly

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Speaker 2: over Newtown and candala's much nice and dalaalah darling is

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Speaker 2: how they say it in Wellington. Got any sympathy for.

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Speaker 3: Them, Oh, I sympathize and so far as I think

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Speaker 3: it's probably not that nice to have a plane flying

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Speaker 3: over your head at all hours of the day, and

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Speaker 3: they previously didn't. But I don't know what their redress

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Speaker 3: they want to have is that the move was because

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Speaker 3: of safety reasons. This is a better flight path. Previously

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Speaker 3: different residents had to deal with planes. They live in

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Speaker 3: the broad vicinity of an airport and planes need to land.

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Speaker 3: To complain about this is to say I think other

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Speaker 3: people should experience this thing. I don't like. I don't

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Speaker 3: want to experience it myself. I mean, I live in

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Speaker 3: west Auckland. I have a police helicopter over my house

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Speaker 3: every other night of the week.

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Speaker 5: US stop committing so much crime, and then it's not so.

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Speaker 3: Much me is my dearly beloved neighbors who seem to

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Speaker 3: be attracting the attention of the police helicopter. But what

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Speaker 3: is the redress here that it gets moved to other residents.

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Speaker 3: If we have an airport in a city, the planes

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Speaker 3: have to land. I just don't see what they're asking for.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's absolutely right.

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Speaker 4: If you have an airport in a city, you're going

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Speaker 4: to have planes flying over the city. And I'm sick

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Speaker 4: of people with nice lives and lovely houses and great

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Speaker 4: I have a nice life in a lovely house, but

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Speaker 4: constantly complaining and wanted to say that they want the

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Speaker 4: poor people to feel and hear the noise and not

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Speaker 4: live in a house and not have intensification, and for

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Speaker 4: goodness sake, tough enough. But I have actually got a

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Speaker 4: solution to this that they should put the airport. I'm

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Speaker 4: very happy for the airport to move to KRPTI where

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Speaker 4: I live, and then they can you know, move it

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Speaker 4: there and then they won't have any plance.

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Speaker 2: It'll be why like anized problem. Josie, thank you. Jose

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Speaker 2: Bigani from Child Funder and Thomas Scrimger from the Maxim

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Speaker 2: Institute on the Huddle tonight.

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