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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Ryan

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Speaker 1: Bridge on hither duper cellan drive with one New Zealand

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Speaker 1: coverage like no one else.

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Speaker 2: New Stalks said, good afternoon, seven after before Chris Bish

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Speaker 2: upon the RMA this afternoon acc caves on working from home,

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Speaker 2: the school lunch principle and the expensive trip to Queenstown,

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Speaker 2: Murray Olds in Australia and the Brady in the UK.

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Speaker 2: And we'll speak to the navy boss about Chinese warships

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Speaker 2: tailing them through the Taiwan straight. He's a great chat.

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Speaker 2: He tells us what they actually talk about over the radio. Fascinating,

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Speaker 2: Ryan Bridge, you're on news talk, said b These RMA

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Speaker 2: changes hit the nail on the head today by putting

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Speaker 2: private property rights front and center. These rights are basically

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Speaker 2: what keeps rich countries rich and their absence keeps poor

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Speaker 2: countries poor. If a council wants to infringe on them,

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Speaker 2: it should compensate you for it, and these changes basically

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Speaker 2: lower the threshold for compensation, which is a good thing.

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Speaker 2: If you want to suddenly invent as significant natural area

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Speaker 2: or label something heritage, well that may cost you counselor

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Speaker 2: it'll make councils think twice before imposing some of this

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Speaker 2: stupid stuff on property owners. We've had too many examples

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Speaker 2: of councils just making these things up in restricting land

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Speaker 2: use on a whim, on an airy fairy idea. The

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Speaker 2: reason that private property rights are so important is quite simple.

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Speaker 2: You use your land as collosterol to borrow, to build,

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Speaker 2: to invest. Owning acts as an incentive to build assets.

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Speaker 2: It creates growth and production, and this production is then taxed.

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Speaker 2: The taxes pay for nice things, nice communal things like

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Speaker 2: hospitals and classrooms. What we need now is for politicians

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Speaker 2: to actually stick to this plan and not mess with it.

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Speaker 2: The new bills will pass first reading next week, and

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Speaker 2: the first bits will come into effect by the end

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Speaker 2: of next year, all going to plan. Half the consents

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Speaker 2: currently required will no longer be needed. Anyone who's been

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Speaker 2: through the consenting process is going to be celebrating that today,

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Speaker 2: But only if the changes stick, only if Labor promises

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Speaker 2: not to touch them. Because this is not our first rodeo.

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Speaker 2: Remember it was Labor who first repealed the RMA and

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Speaker 2: replaced it with two new bills that was nine hundred

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Speaker 2: first things they did was rip it all up. We

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Speaker 2: reverted back to the Rima, which is where we are now.

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Speaker 2: And now the coalition's bills are out. They're seven hundred

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Speaker 2: and fifty pages long. The test of how long they

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Speaker 2: remain low is not lasting another term of coalition, but

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Speaker 2: a first term of a labor government, whenever that may be.

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Speaker 2: Rayan Bridge and number of text love to hear from

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Speaker 2: you this afternoon. Also we'll look at why Westpac is

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Speaker 2: putting up some of their mortgage interest rates. A bit

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Speaker 2: of a worry now. The Greens have surveyed four hundred

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Speaker 2: x pat kiwis and they say they've found eighty two

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Speaker 2: percent of them are so worried about their student loan

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Speaker 2: debt they're not coming home for Chris. Seventy percent of

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Speaker 2: kwis overseas with students that are overdue on their repayments.

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Speaker 2: Lawrence shu Nan is the Green Party's overseas New Zealander's spokesperson. Lawrence.

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, Oh killer, Ryan, how did you survey them?

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Speaker 3: So we send out basically a form for people to

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Speaker 3: and then we collated some of these information and packaged

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Speaker 3: you're seeing that you mentioned before, in terms of seventy

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Speaker 2: But your survey, how do you find these people overseas?

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Speaker 2: Are they green boaters? Are they on your main list?

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Speaker 3: We've actually used in many cases, as we see with

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Speaker 3: So it's very much we're trying our best to make

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Speaker 2: Okay, and what do you want to happen? I mean,

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Speaker 2: Right, is it a problem that they're not coming home?

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Speaker 3: Well, I think anyone who you know, obviously New Zealanders

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Speaker 2: How is what proportion of them reported that that was

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Speaker 3: In terms of some of the data that you saw

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Speaker 3: Part of that is a couple of this is why

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Speaker 3: loopholes number one one of the things we look at

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Speaker 3: something that becomes unaffordable. That's one perspective. The other perspective,

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Speaker 3: they simply are not the didn't by idea they have

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Speaker 2: Did they tell them where their address was, you know,

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Speaker 3: I think I think that's also unfair analysis in some ways,

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Speaker 2: Speaks for itself. If they wanted to pay it off,

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Speaker 2: So why would you move?

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Speaker 3: Because frankly, there's simply isn't enough job here. And this

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Speaker 2: Lawrence, appreciate your time this afternoon. Thanks for being with

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Speaker 2: me and.

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Speaker 3: Is so much. Really appreciate it and hope you.

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Speaker 2: Have a merry Christmas.

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Speaker 3: You two.

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Speaker 2: Lawrence Schunhan, who's the Green Party's overseas New Zealand as spokesperson.

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Speaker 2: It is quarter past four.

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Speaker 5: Ever dupericy, Ellen, Ryan Bridge.

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Speaker 2: One or the other who really cares. I'm here, not

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Speaker 2: overseas now. I paid my student loan off and it

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Speaker 2: probably took a decade to pay it off. I think

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Speaker 2: making the minimum repayments as I did. But how is

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Speaker 2: it feared to people who are here doing that that

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Speaker 2: you then offer some kind of relief or some kind

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Speaker 2: saying we've flushed with jobs in New Zealand, but come on,

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Speaker 2: come on, people. Quarter past four DARCINEX with sport.

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Speaker 5: Said.

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Speaker 2: News Talk said, but it's four eighteen good, don't come home,

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Speaker 2: says the Texture. I'm over these thieves that have given

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Speaker 2: us the middle finger. This is the Key West with

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Speaker 2: student loans who go overseason, aren't paying them back and

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Speaker 2: can't come home for Christmas. Boo boo. I'll get a life, Greenie,

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Speaker 2: says this texture. I'd pay back every cent of my

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Speaker 2: fifty thousand dollars student loan. Why should they bugger off

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Speaker 2: and leave the debt on the books? Another says Ryan,

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Speaker 2: tell them the issue that they should pay their debts.

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Speaker 2: Remember it was an interest free loan. Face the facts,

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Speaker 2: says Trish. It is four eighteen.

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Speaker 1: Bored with tab power plays better unlocked, bigger odds are

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Speaker 1: eighteen bet responsibly.

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Speaker 2: Dusky water graves. He was sport hey dars.

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Speaker 6: I avoided the student loan issue. Surprise, surprise.

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Speaker 4: I have zero.

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Speaker 2: Education, but you have a lovely mustache, Thank you very much.

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Speaker 6: No, I took it on board. Yesterday I had a

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Speaker 6: warrens my beard, so I just shaved it out to get.

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Speaker 2: This skinny massive handlebar.

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Speaker 6: Is horrible, isn't it?

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Speaker 4: Sorry?

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Speaker 6: It'll go in a couple of days.

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Speaker 2: That's okay, it's impressive. It's impressive.

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Speaker 6: Now he's looking at me weirdly.

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Speaker 2: Cricket CEO. Now he says he's going on leave the

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Speaker 2: school holidays, but then coming back on December nineteen.

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Speaker 6: Now, if you had to believe the company line that

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Speaker 6: Richard Block put out, you go, okay, that sounds fair enough.

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Speaker 6: If you had have let a bit conspiracy theorist, why

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Speaker 6: don't you do this? Who goes on leave for a

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Speaker 6: week a week before Christmas? Exactly what's going to happen

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Speaker 6: between when he comes back?

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Speaker 4: And well?

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Speaker 7: Nothing?

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Speaker 6: It's Christmas, and then you've got that horrible time between

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Speaker 2: New Zealandah the gooots they call it.

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Speaker 2: And finally, jingle bells, Jingle bells, Jingle Let's go to America.

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Speaker 2: Marie Old's are Australia correspondent Murray. Good afternoon, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Ho ho ho.

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Speaker 10: That prisoner's well done.

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Speaker 10: So what the Reserve Bank is worried about. It's already

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Speaker 10: The Reserve Bank is clearly concerned. That's a bit low

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Speaker 10: Well, it's interesting because we don't really know. I mean,

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Speaker 10: you've had the you know, the much belly hooed American

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Speaker 3: It for us?

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Speaker 10: Kind of thing? And what's in it for us in

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Speaker 10: But Donald Trump is saying, listen, we love August. We

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Speaker 10: think it's a wonderful idea. And the Secretary of War

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Speaker 10: that extraordinarily well haircutted what's his name, hes Geth. He's

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Speaker 10: bellowing about a billion dollars and Australia's are repaying billions

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Speaker 10: of dollars of these, half which to help them build

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Speaker 10: the submarines in the first place. Anyway, he seems to

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Speaker 10: think it's all pretty.

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Speaker 4: Gung ho as well.

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Speaker 10: We hope to find the details later this week because

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Speaker 10: it's our money.

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Speaker 2: It's good to have you on the shows always. Murray

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Speaker 2: Old's are Australia Correspondent. It's eighteen away from five Bryant Bridge.

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Speaker 2: So just coming to this Auckland bus incident. And if

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Speaker 2: you're in Auckland, I would forgive you for wanting to

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Speaker 2: drive a car. I mean most of us do anyway,

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Speaker 2: but I would forgive you for not onet to get

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Speaker 2: on a bus because of this. You know, we had

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Speaker 2: that bus fire not long ago, someone died on Tommicky Drive.

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Speaker 2: Remember it was an E bus. I don't know whether

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Speaker 2: it was the battery whatever. And now two people have

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Speaker 2: been stabbed on a bus, you know, just trying to

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Speaker 2: get home in the evening. This happened on a bus

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Speaker 2: trip from glenn Innis to Oraki in Auckland. Police thankfully

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Speaker 2: have arrested the guy who's alleged to have done this.

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Speaker 2: So two separate stabbings. One man sadly has lost his life,

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Speaker 2: one was injured totally unprovoked. Here's the Detective Inspector Glenn Baldwin.

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Speaker 11: The man was the victim of an unprovoked attack of

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Speaker 11: board the bus as he was exiting the bus. He

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Speaker 11: got off the bus near Fenchurch Street. He was taken

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Speaker 11: by ambulance to Auckland Hospital and died a short time later.

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Speaker 11: A second man has undergone surgery on his hand today.

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Speaker 11: The same offender initiated an unprovoked attack on the second victim,

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Speaker 11: who's a man aged fifty one.

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Speaker 2: That's awful now. The really awful thing is that the

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Speaker 2: attack on the second guy happened about ten minutes after

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Speaker 2: the first and the bus driver carried on his normal

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Speaker 2: route because he didn't realize the first one had been attacked.

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Speaker 2: He didn't realize there was any problem at all, so

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Speaker 2: just carried on his normal route. Another guy gets on,

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Speaker 2: he gets dabbed. Awful seventeen away from five Barry Soaper

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Speaker 2: with the Hullabala from Parliament.

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Speaker 1: Next politics with centric credit, check your customers and get

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Speaker 1: payments thirtaty.

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Speaker 2: Fourteen to five Barry Soper here, Hey, Barry, good afternoon,

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Speaker 2: right kind of got our rima announcement A you underwhelmed, overwhelmed,

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Speaker 2: feeling good?

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Speaker 7: Nu, I'm overwhelmed. Actually I think you know this, Like

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Speaker 7: I said to you yesterday I remember when the bill

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Speaker 7: was introduced initially by Jeffrey Palmer in nineteen eighty nine.

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Speaker 7: It was a mess really from the start, and it

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Speaker 7: governed everything in New Zealand, even down to the air

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Speaker 7: we breathed. And really something had to give and and

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Speaker 7: the red tape was strangling the country when it was

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Speaker 7: trying to build and do whatever it wanted to do.

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Speaker 7: Chris Bishop, he's described the changes as the single largest

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Speaker 7: economic reform and a generation and I think he might

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Speaker 7: be right there, because many governments have tried to amend

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Speaker 7: the Resource Management Act and this one basically does away

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Speaker 7: with it all together and replaces it with what they

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Speaker 7: call a Planning Act and a Natural Environment Act. But

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Speaker 7: as we heard yesterday from the Prime Minister, cutting consent

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Speaker 7: and permit numbers by forty six percent, which is extraordinary,

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Speaker 7: really rima reform Minister, Chris Bishop, he outlined how things

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Speaker 7: are about to change when he spoke at the bee

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Speaker 7: Hive lockup of journals and analysts this afternoon.

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Speaker 12: Activities that have small impacts will no longer require a

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Speaker 12: consent at all, which means we can focus the system

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Speaker 12: on what matters most and only on what matters the most.

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Speaker 12: Takes on average around six to seven years to develop

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Speaker 12: an average city or district plan. We think we can

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Speaker 12: get the plan making process down to around two years.

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Speaker 12: Gone are the days of every man and his dog

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Speaker 12: getting a say in what you do with your own property.

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Speaker 12: In short, we are fundamentally changing most of what has

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Speaker 12: failed in the RIMA.

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Speaker 2: Here heir to that absolutely good ridden snout rough start

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Speaker 2: to the final session of Parliament. This is the protesters.

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Speaker 2: Someone's texting Barry saying, this disruption in the gallery at

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Speaker 2: the House today? Why are we so wet? They should

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Speaker 2: have been arrested and charged Brown, He needs to toughen

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Speaker 2: up his speaker.

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Speaker 7: Well, you know, it's really interesting that that texter said

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Speaker 7: that because I was watching everything unfolding and a fire

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Speaker 7: alarm went off and I thought it was the alarm

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Speaker 7: at Parliament because I had my headphones on, but in

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Speaker 7: fact it was a fire alarm here. Yeah, so I

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Speaker 7: had to leave the building. But look, it was quite

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Speaker 7: extraordinary really, the security guards. They dragged pro Palestinian protesters

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Speaker 7: across some chairs at the back of Parliament. They were

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Speaker 7: about a dozen of them, but they did kick up

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Speaker 7: a lot of stink. They threw pamphlets down on both

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Speaker 7: sides of the House National Labors. There was after it,

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Speaker 7: a larger than usual presence of security and police in

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Speaker 7: the gallery, not surprisingly, but the thing that amused me

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Speaker 7: more than anything else was the speaker. Jerry Brandy sat

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Speaker 7: there and for over two minutes. This went on for

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Speaker 7: slightly bemused by it all, just to show you this

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Speaker 7: is how it played out in Parliament this afternoon. Have

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Speaker 7: listened to the.

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Speaker 4: Din friends in the gallery.

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Speaker 13: That was an impromptu performance, a little bit of poetry

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Speaker 13: and lots of performative art as well. I think we'll

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Speaker 13: now progress to questions for oral answers.

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Speaker 2: See, I don't like it. I don't like it when

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Speaker 2: Jerry does this he sort of tries to make light

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Speaker 2: of things, well when actually it's so out of control

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Speaker 2: in there that you need to be a bit of

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Speaker 2: a dictator.

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Speaker 7: Well see what does that say to other protests. Let's

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Speaker 7: turn up and do this. Nothing's going to happen to us.

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Speaker 7: And the thing is I was watching the MPs sitting

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Speaker 7: on the floor of the house. Now these people sounded

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Speaker 7: mad and you never know what they could have in

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Speaker 7: their hands. I mean, they do get a check by

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Speaker 7: security on their way in. But who knows. I mean

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Speaker 7: they sounded just out of control, which they were.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, now Labour's trying to sow divisions. This is about

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Speaker 2: leadership and Bishop and he's rating two percent.

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Speaker 7: Well, he writes about the same as Chloe' swawbrick, so

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Speaker 7: it shows you what the chances are. But nevertheless, Luxeon

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Speaker 7: reminded Hipkins in the House that he was questioning and

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Speaker 7: did try and cause some division. But he was talking

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Speaker 7: about house prices and he reminded Hipkins house prices rose

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Speaker 7: by thirty percent a year during Labour's reign.

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Speaker 14: They are more affordable than they have been under this

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Speaker 14: government in two years than they were under his government

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Speaker 14: in six years.

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Speaker 15: Is he not calling out Chris Bishop for contradicting him

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Speaker 15: on falling house prices and not calling out Nikola Willis

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Speaker 15: for saying that she's with christ Bishop on falling house

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Speaker 15: prices because she's worried that Nicolai Willis is also going

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Speaker 15: to end up with Chris Bishop when he tries to

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Speaker 15: replace him as Prime Minister.

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Speaker 14: No, look, I just say I think the members should

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Speaker 14: worry less about the National Party and worry about his

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Speaker 14: mates in the Greens Into Party.

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Speaker 2: Mary don't you think. I think that's what you should

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Speaker 2: be worrying about.

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Speaker 4: Son, Son.

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Speaker 7: I've never heard him use that expression.

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Speaker 2: Do you know who used to use that?

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Speaker 5: Was Key?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, well yeah, And Winston of course always calls people

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Speaker 7: sunshine when he's getting really hosed off of.

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Speaker 2: Them, Sunny Jim. It's kind of patronizing, isn't.

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Speaker 6: It all right?

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Speaker 2: Very good to see you as a waste, very soper.

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Speaker 2: With politics, it's eight minutes to five News Talks, theb

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Speaker 2: We'll expect Chris Bishop on the RMA after five.

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Speaker 1: The headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 10: Debate has fired up over whether our long summer break

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Speaker 10: is too long.

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Speaker 3: Christoph Schumacher is a professor of innovation and economics at

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Speaker 3: Massi University.

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Speaker 5: As summer breaks too long?

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Speaker 16: Well, our summer break is long compared to the rest

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Speaker 16: of the world. But I think the question is not

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Speaker 16: too long. The question should be can we afford it?

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Speaker 17: Well, I mean, you wouldn't be doing it if you

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Speaker 17: couldn't afford it, would you.

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Speaker 16: Well to look, in the last ten years, our productivity

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Speaker 16: growth rate has gone from one point two percent, which

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Speaker 16: is why the OCD average with zero point two percent,

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Speaker 16: and we now are ring sixty third out of sixty

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Speaker 16: seven countries, so our productivity is rather low.

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Speaker 1: Hither Duper s Allen on the mic, asking Breakfast back

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Speaker 1: tomorrow at six am with a Vida Retirement Communities on

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Speaker 1: News Talks deb.

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Speaker 2: Five to five on News Talks Hebb. This is incredible.

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Speaker 2: Although we do get lots of stories like this. I've

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Speaker 2: just noticed in the last wee while this is another

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Speaker 2: miracle cancer therapy story. But it is truly amazing to

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Speaker 2: think about, especially at Christmas, when you know people who

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Speaker 2: are suffering right now, who are going through hell. There's

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Speaker 2: a little bit of hope. So this is aggressive in

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Speaker 2: curable blood cancers that have been cured. There was a

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Speaker 2: young woman you might remember. Her name is Elicitatley from

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Speaker 2: the UK. She's now sixteen, but she was cured of

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Speaker 2: her so called incurable blood cancer three years ago. She

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Speaker 2: was the first one to be treated with this revolutionary

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Speaker 2: treatment that they're doing. She is still today disease free

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Speaker 2: and now plans to become a cancer scientist. Since then,

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Speaker 2: they have announced today eight more children and two adults

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Speaker 2: with the T cell acute lymphoblastic leukemia have been treated

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Speaker 2: and almost almost two thirds of the patients are in remission.

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Speaker 2: That is a miracle. Alissa, this is the one that

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Speaker 2: was cured three years ago. They wiped out her old

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Speaker 2: immune system and basically grew an entire new one. She

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Speaker 2: spent four months in hospital, couldn't see your family, etc.

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Speaker 2: But that was a small price to pay. Now her

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Speaker 2: cancer is undetectable. She needs only an annual checkup. Remember

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Speaker 2: this is a young girl who was thirteen, who thought

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Speaker 2: she was going to die. She now only needs an

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Speaker 2: annual checkup. She's doing her A levels, she's a Duke

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Speaker 2: of Edinburgh award winner, she's eyeing up driving lessons, and

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Speaker 2: she's planning her future. It's an incredible story no matter

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Speaker 2: which way you look at it, something that should be celebrated.

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Speaker 2: Yesterday I told you about this Aussie politician who's basically

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Speaker 2: taken the mickey with the taxpayer money. There's an update.

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Speaker 2: I'll give it to you after News at five. Also

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Speaker 2: Chris Bishop on the big RMA changes. What does it

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Speaker 2: mean for you? I mean not the high level stuff,

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Speaker 2: but at your place, at your business in your neck

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Speaker 2: of the woods. What does it mean? Head on newstalksb.

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Speaker 1: The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,

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Speaker 1: get the ers, find the facts.

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Speaker 5: And give the analysis.

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Speaker 1: Ryan Bridge on Hither Dupicy Ellen, Drive with One New

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Speaker 1: Zealand and the power of satellite mobile news Talks.

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Speaker 2: Good every Thing seven half to five Tuesday. Great to

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Speaker 2: have your company. RMA reform it's happening. The bill will

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Speaker 2: be replaced. Sorry, the Act, I should say, will be

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Speaker 2: replaced with a planning Bill and a Natural Environment Bill.

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Speaker 2: They will be introduced to the House before Christmas and

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Speaker 2: should be in place next year. It will have the

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Speaker 2: number of projects that will need consent. Basically, the government

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Speaker 2: has decided that nobody should regulate. No government should regulate

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Speaker 2: whether or not you have a balcony or how your

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Speaker 2: house is laid out on the inside. Let's go to

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Speaker 2: Chris Biship, who is the RMA minister. Mister good evening,

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Speaker 2: good evening, Can you just give as an example of

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Speaker 2: and maybe that was one, but give us an example

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Speaker 2: for people at home how this will affect them, How

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Speaker 2: will they benefit?

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Speaker 12: The simple point is it will be easier to do

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Speaker 12: things to your property that when you don't affect other people.

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Speaker 12: Give you a couple of examples. I know of a

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Speaker 12: house and development down in christ Church, where the housing

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Speaker 12: developer went along to the council and said, you know,

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Speaker 12: here's here's the houses we want to build. They spent

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Speaker 12: hours and days and endless amounts of money arguing with

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Speaker 12: the council about which way the front door faced, and

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Speaker 12: the council said, well, in christ Church we want the

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Speaker 12: front door to face the street because we've got a

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Speaker 12: very neighborly community here, which you know, all sounds fine.

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Speaker 12: So they made the house have the front door face

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Speaker 12: the street. And then same council, different planner, same housing

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Speaker 12: developer a few months later said, in a different part

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Speaker 12: of town, oh, by the way, we want the we

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Speaker 12: want your house where the front door needs to face

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Speaker 12: away from the street because in christ Church we value

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Speaker 12: our seclusion in our privacy. It's that sort of it's stupidity, frankly,

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Speaker 12: that drives people up the wall, and it's causing him

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Speaker 12: endless amounts of red tape. Give you another example of

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Speaker 12: my own electortive Hut South. The guy just wanted to

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Speaker 12: simply replace his garage. He's spent nine months arguing with

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Speaker 12: the Hut City Council about literally replacing his garage because

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Speaker 12: the council decided they didn't like the way the garage looked.

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Speaker 12: It's this sort of stuff that just drives people up

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Speaker 12: the wall, and it will be out of the scope

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Speaker 12: of the new system.

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Speaker 2: Right, So that's how you do it, Because, as you said,

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Speaker 2: you've got idiot planners. So how do you stop them

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Speaker 2: from trying to make people do dumb things with their

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Speaker 2: houses and their doors and their garages. Do you just

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Speaker 2: say you no longer have the power to even talk

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Speaker 2: about that.

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Speaker 12: Yes, So the new law that we've introduced to Parliament

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Speaker 12: today get its first reading next week, will say that

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Speaker 12: things that are internal to your site are off limits

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Speaker 12: for the planning system. So if you have an effect

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Speaker 12: on somebody else, that's fair enough. So you know, if

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Speaker 12: I set up an industrial effluent factory on my property

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Speaker 12: and it has a run off to the next door,

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Speaker 12: well that has an on somebody else. But which way

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Speaker 12: my front door faces, which way the living room faces,

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Speaker 12: where the TV is in the living room, there's another

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Speaker 12: real life example where planners have got involved in which

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Speaker 12: way the TV faces and the layout of the living room.

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Speaker 12: That stuff sorry off limits. It's not a function of

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Speaker 12: the planning system. It's a decision for you and your family.

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Speaker 12: It's not a function of a local council planner.

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Speaker 2: Are there exemptions to that? If your house is in

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Speaker 2: a heritage area or something, are there exemptions?

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Speaker 12: So we've lifted the bar for historic heritage. So I

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Speaker 12: think most people would agree. I think many people would

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Speaker 12: agree anyway that heritage laws have gone too far. I

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Speaker 12: mean here in Wellington we've got the example of the

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Speaker 12: Gordon Wilson Flats, you know on the terrace there, which

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Speaker 12: is a you know, has sat there for twenty years.

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Speaker 12: It's an earthquake prone building, it's heritage listed. Nobody can

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Speaker 12: do anything with it. We had to pass a special

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Speaker 12: law through parliament to allow you need to demolish it,

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Speaker 12: which they're about to do before Christmas.

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Speaker 2: Rich was good.

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Speaker 12: There's another example out again in Wellington, but out by

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Speaker 12: the airport, where there's a gas tank literally a gas

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Speaker 12: tank which has heritage protection on it and no one

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Speaker 12: can demolish it or do anything with it. And I

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Speaker 12: understand there wants to be a commercial development and it's

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Speaker 12: a gas tank like you know. Seriously, So I think

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Speaker 12: people sort of think the laws have gone too far.

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Speaker 12: So it is important to protect historic heritage, but the

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Speaker 12: bar will be lifted, so we'll be protecting significant historic heritage,

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Speaker 12: not generic heritage. And then we'll also be saying that

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Speaker 12: when councils do do that and it has an impact

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Speaker 12: on the value of property, you know, such that it

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Speaker 12: diminishes the value of what you can and can't do

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Speaker 12: with your property, then they'll need to find some form

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Speaker 12: of regulatory relief for that. And I think that's an

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Speaker 12: important message as well.

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Speaker 2: The significant natural areas have been a big bone of

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Speaker 2: contention for landowners for a long time now, and you're

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Speaker 2: going to lower the threshold for people getting compensation, so

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Speaker 2: the council will have to provide some kind of relief

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Speaker 2: to landowner if they want to impose restrictions.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, it's about recognizing that there are legitimate public policy

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Speaker 12: goals in terms of significant natural areas. Biodiversity heritage is

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Speaker 12: another example for example. But the system is essentially costless councils.

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Speaker 12: So again, if I take an example from my own

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Speaker 12: electric a few years ago, the Hut City Council decided

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Speaker 12: that vast s wayes of Eastbourne we're going to be

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Speaker 12: subject to significant natural areas, and everyone who lives in

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Speaker 12: Eastbourn Or Most people got a letter from the council

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Speaker 12: through the post which said, oh, by the way, here's

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Speaker 12: your property, please turn over, And there were all these

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Speaker 12: big yellow markings on the property descriptions, and some people

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Speaker 12: found that fifty seventy eighty percent of their property was

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Speaker 12: subject to a significant natural area, which meant that they

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Speaker 12: couldn't do things like subdivide or put even in some

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Speaker 12: cases a deck out the back and things like that.

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Speaker 12: So I think people rightly say, well, hang on a minute.

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Speaker 12: You know, I'm all in favor of protecting biodiversity and

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Speaker 12: significant areas of environmental protection, but there has to be

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Speaker 12: a recognition that that has an impact on me and

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Speaker 12: has an impact on my family and my property. So

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Speaker 12: it's about redressing the balance of bit and saying you

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Speaker 12: can do that, but you can do that, but there's

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Speaker 12: a cost of that.

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Speaker 2: Minister very quickly, is Labor on board with all of

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Speaker 2: this or are they going to get in and do

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Speaker 2: what you did in it out?

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Speaker 12: Let's wait and see. We've had quite a lot of

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Speaker 12: engagement with them over the last year or so. I've

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Speaker 12: had a number of meetings with Labor and they've had

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Speaker 12: a full briefing on it. It's getting its first reading

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Speaker 12: next week, so they'll have a chance to digest it

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Speaker 12: over the course of this week. I would encourage them

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Speaker 12: to vote for it at least at first reading, send

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Speaker 12: it to a select committee. We're prepared to meet in

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Speaker 12: the middle on a few things, because I think it's

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Speaker 12: an everyone's interest, in fact, the country's interest, that we

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Speaker 12: have stability in terms of planning. This is a once

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Speaker 12: in a generation reform. We want to do this once,

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Speaker 12: we want to do it right, and we want to

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Speaker 12: see us on the path to prosperity.

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Speaker 2: Chris Bishop, rm A Minister. Time is thirteen after five,

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Speaker 2: so let's go to acc They are backing down. They

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Speaker 2: will continue to let staff work from home three days

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Speaker 2: a week. The corporation had proposed cutting that allowance back

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Speaker 2: to two days a week at home. So the Public

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Speaker 2: Service Association then complained to the Commerce Commission. They've complained

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Speaker 2: to well, anyone who'll listen. Flirfit Simon's National secretary w

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Speaker 2: been now for good.

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Speaker 18: Evening, Good evening, Ryan.

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Speaker 2: So this all comes down to the job ads does

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Speaker 2: it is that what has changed the caused the change?

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Speaker 18: I think really what it comes down to is common sense.

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Speaker 18: ACC had staff working from home up to three days

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Speaker 18: a week. It went well for staff, there was no

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Speaker 18: issues of productivity, and ACC then tried to change it

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Speaker 18: really out of the blue, and actually it was working

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Speaker 18: for everybody. So when they tried to change it, staff

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Speaker 18: came out quite strongly, including through the union. We took

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Speaker 18: legal action, we went to the Commerce Commission, and really

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Speaker 18: all of those things have counted towards ACC's decision today.

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Speaker 2: I think when you say that there was no problem

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Speaker 2: with productivity, that's according to the staff. What the managers

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Speaker 2: said was something very different, wasn't it if we're being honest.

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Speaker 18: For managers raised concerns about the ability to create teamwork

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Speaker 18: when you have people working from home up to three

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Speaker 18: days a week. What our members told us was that

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Speaker 18: on the days they did come to work, it wasn't

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Speaker 18: like managers went out of their way to build morale

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Speaker 18: or to build teamwork. And actually what ACC did, it's

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Speaker 18: find ways to build morale and teamwork, including online and

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Speaker 18: with people working from home.

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Speaker 5: How do you online?

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Speaker 2: How do you build morale so much?

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Speaker 18: Let's think of what we did during COVID. There's lots

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Speaker 18: of work together on teams across the country. So the

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Speaker 18: reality is ACC is a national organization. It has staff

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Speaker 18: all over the country in twenty locations. They all need

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Speaker 18: to work together effectively, and actually working from home where

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Speaker 18: it can work for roles that it's suitable for does

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Speaker 18: very well.

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Speaker 2: What days are they taking so they only have to

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Speaker 2: go into the office two days a week. What days

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Speaker 2: are they are they working from home?

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Speaker 18: Well for some roles, that's the case. It varies for

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Speaker 18: different people. And part of the reason it varies for

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Speaker 18: different people is that ACC doesn't actually have enough desks

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Speaker 18: for everybody to be in the office in the same day.

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Speaker 18: And that's actually the reality for many government departments. They've

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Speaker 18: downsized to such a degree that even if everybody did

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Speaker 18: come back to work.

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Speaker 2: Upside, if they outside, you're happy to come back.

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Speaker 18: No, it's about more than that, all.

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Speaker 2: Right, I appreciate your time for if it's Simon's psa quarter.

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Speaker 5: Past five, Ryan Bridge.

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Speaker 2: You can even get coverage out to sea on average

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Speaker 2: up to eighty five nautical miles. It's no secret the

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Speaker 2: and sometimes in places where coverage used to drop off. Now,

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Speaker 2: coverage it means your business can stay connected, which is

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Speaker 2: very very important as we know. So as well as

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Speaker 2: better coverage, it's an added layer of safety for your

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Speaker 5: One New Zealand Bryan Bridge.

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Speaker 2: Debate over the length of these summer breaks been raging,

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Speaker 2: isn't it for probably the best part of a week now,

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Speaker 2: So we've decided to settle this once and for aw

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Speaker 2: on Drive with the help of economist Brad Olsen. He's

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Speaker 2: crunched the numbers. He's with me now, Hey, Brad, good evening.

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Speaker 2: So settle this for us ow the summer holidays bad

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Speaker 2: for the economy.

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Speaker 17: Not nearly as bad as it's been made out to be. Look,

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Speaker 17: I get that everyone thinks that we take long holidays,

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Speaker 17: and yeah, everyone needs a break. But looking at the numbers.

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Speaker 17: You look at March quarter GDP relative to average quarterly GDP,

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Speaker 17: and it's only two percent below what the average would

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Speaker 17: be for the rest of the year. I mean, that's

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Speaker 17: very much within the eraror margin across the entire economy.

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Speaker 17: And I think actually where this debate comes forward a

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Speaker 17: lot more is in specific sectors. You look at the

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Speaker 17: likes of you know, supermarket activity or tourism and similar

872
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 17: over summer, it's cranking. Those people are clearly not taking

873
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 17: a break. What is taking a break is the professional

874
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:07,919
Speaker 17: services industry. It's office workers, which are important, but they're

875
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Speaker 17: not sort of the entire economy. And so looking through

876
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Speaker 17: that economic activity in the professional services industry could sort

877
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Speaker 17: of fall by up to ten percent relative to more

878
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 17: average normal levels in the March quarter. So it's not

879
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Speaker 17: the entire economy. It's more specifically those of us who

880
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Speaker 17: work in offices. It's you and me, Ryan, Yeah, and

881
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 17: that's why the debate keeps going on. This is why

882
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 17: I haven't touched it. I told Laura, haven't.

883
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Speaker 2: Touched it because it's just it's the office workers having

884
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Speaker 2: a winge about their colleagues not coming back and paying

885
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 2: attention in January and February. But actually, in the real

886
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Speaker 2: economy where people get their hands dirty and do real work,

887
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Speaker 2: everyone's still going well.

888
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 17: And you look at spending. That's the other one that

889
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 17: sort of gets me. We know there's a big spend

890
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 17: up in December, we all have to go and get

891
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 17: Christmas presents. Yes, but maybe there was some truth to

892
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 17: the idea that you know, spending was going to fall

893
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 17: in January. But even taking a look at the numbers

894
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 17: there actually, the last couple of years you've seen spending

895
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Speaker 17: in the January month that's been two percent higher than

896
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 17: average monthly spending throughout the calendar year. So even then

897
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Speaker 17: it's yes, we don't spend like it's Christmas time in January,

898
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Speaker 17: but we actually spend ever so slightly above a normal month.

899
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Speaker 17: So again, there's still a lot that has to happen.

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Speaker 17: I think it's just that we're spending in different ways,

901
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 17: We're going to different places I also think people do

902
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 17: need a break, not just office because everyone else as well.

903
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 17: And so doing that in a sensible way when the

904
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Speaker 17: weather's good, when would probably be irritable in the office

905
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Speaker 17: and out on the job anyway, is not a bad

906
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Speaker 17: time to take a holiday for many people.

907
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think you get much argument, certainly nothing

908
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 2: out of four Simon's on that. Now wes PAK is

909
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 2: actually increasing it's two and five year mortgage interest rates

910
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:45,280
Speaker 2: only slightly zero point three percent. What's going on, Well.

911
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Speaker 17: They've talked a lot about how the wholesale rates have increased.

912
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Speaker 17: It's the last Reserve Bank announcement. So yes, you've had

913
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Speaker 17: the official cash rate cut, which means that Westpac's been

914
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Speaker 17: able to cut their six month rate. They've done nothing

915
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Speaker 17: to their sort of shorter stuff around the one year,

916
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Speaker 17: but like you say, two plus years has increased. It

917
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 17: does seem to highlight that. Look, the markets have probably

918
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Speaker 17: you know, before the Reserve Bank's announcement.

919
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Speaker 2: We're really gung ho on another cut.

920
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Speaker 17: When the Reserve Bank came out and said, look, we

921
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 17: broadly think that we've sort of done enough. Now the

922
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 17: markets have almost reacted over reacted in the other way

923
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:16,320
Speaker 17: and gone, you know what, we need to do a

924
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 17: little bit more now maybe things are going to go

925
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Speaker 17: up sooner realistically, small adjustments around the margins, but does

926
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Speaker 17: keep in that conversation of you know, are people going

927
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Speaker 17: to be fixing.

928
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Speaker 2: Short or long?

929
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Speaker 17: You know, because there's a lot of variation now and

930
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 17: offer and I think people have sort of got to

931
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Speaker 17: keep their wits about you. Now's the time to go

932
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Speaker 17: and get some of that professional advice if your fix

933
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 17: is coming up.

934
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Speaker 2: Sir, Yeah, I think a lot of people are going

935
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Speaker 2: to listen to this and see what's the rates and

936
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Speaker 2: run out there and fix. Thank you very much for that.

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Speaker 2: That's brad Olsen Infmetrics. It is twenty three minutes after

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Speaker 2: five text of the evening so far from Roy Ryan

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Speaker 2: as the Union lady paid by the word.

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Speaker 1: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Ryan Bridge on

941
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Speaker 1: hither duplessy Ellen dry with one New Zealand coverage like

942
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Speaker 1: no one else news talks.

943
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Speaker 5: There'd be.

944
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Speaker 2: To the numbers text now that I'm with you guys

945
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Speaker 2: in the afternoon at least for the next few weeks,

946
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Speaker 2: I've found myself with a bit of time on my

947
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Speaker 2: hands to watch TV after work and I am absolutely

948
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Speaker 2: loving it. What a revelation. The Beast within Clear Danes.

949
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 2: Netflix amazing. If you haven't seen it, put it on

950
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 2: your list. Platonic seth Rogen Apple very funny. Plus, I've

951
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Speaker 2: discovered a whole bunch of quite degrade American Christmas movies

952
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 2: dropping on any platform under the sun. They're dropping these

953
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Speaker 2: Hallmark ones in particular. They're mindless, but they're quite comforting. Sidebar,

954
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Speaker 2: Why are Americans so obsessed with Christmas? There's a whole

955
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Speaker 2: show dedicated to a guy that goes around and decorates

956
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 2: people's houses, very expensive decorations, lights, reindeer, ornaments, multiple trees,

957
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 2: you name it. The Yanks have money to throw around

958
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,359
Speaker 2: like it's going out of fashion on Christmas. But here's

959
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,319
Speaker 2: the problem. We are throwing our money around like there's

960
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 2: Noe tomorrow on streaming services. A few years ago, my

961
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 2: husband and I decided, let's cut them, let's just turn

962
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 2: our backs on them, because they're costing us an arm

963
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Speaker 2: and a leg. We had the cost of living crisis,

964
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Speaker 2: all that stuff, blah blah, you know the story, and

965
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Speaker 2: we stuck to that until we didn't, and they have

966
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,959
Speaker 2: crept back into our lives. Like a bad smell, which

967
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Speaker 2: is why I am aokay with the Netflix Warner Brothers merger.

968
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Speaker 2: If that's what they choose to do, hell, I want

969
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 2: them more merged. There are regulatory hopes to jump through

970
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 2: because competition, but actually, even if we pay a little

971
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Speaker 2: bit more for one giant streaming service, it's got to

972
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 2: be less than you pay to watch all the good

973
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 2: shows on the thousand different services that we currently pay

974
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Speaker 2: individually for. Surely, so my Christmas wish is quite simple

975
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 2: this year. I want mergers. I want acquisitions. I want consolidation.

976
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Speaker 2: I want simpler, cheaper TV time. Ryan Bread twenty seven

977
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Speaker 2: after five. Honestly, have you ever added up how much

978
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 2: you're paying. It's a small fortune. You could buy a

979
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Speaker 2: new as second home. Coming up after news, we'll talk

980
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 2: to Erica Stamford about the well being fun for Print Siples.

981
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 2: Do they need it?

982
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Speaker 5: No?

983
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,879
Speaker 2: Tris Jurson and Craig Rennie on the Huddle tonight as well.

984
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:09,240
Speaker 2: All ahead. My most interesting interview I think this evening

985
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 2: will be at six thirty five with the guy who

986
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Speaker 2: was followed This is our Navy h mens at, followed

987
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Speaker 2: by the Chinese warships and the Taiwan straight all ahead.

988
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Speaker 1: The day's newsmakers talk to Ryan First, Ryan Bridge on

989
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Speaker 1: Hither dupiusy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand and the

990
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Speaker 1: Power at Satellite Mobile News Talks aid, be here is.

991
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Speaker 5: Please und.

992
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Speaker 2: Pretty far away from six year on News Talks. It'd

993
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Speaker 2: be on your Tuesday evening. Great to have your company.

994
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 2: Tris Hirson and Craig Rennie on the huddle in just

995
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 2: a second. You know the entitled Prince Harry Harry handout

996
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 2: they call him, the British tabloids call him, which I

997
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 2: was find quite funny. Anyway, you know how they he

998
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 2: took the court, the case to court and tried to

999
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:13,839
Speaker 2: say to the taxpayers, you need to fund my security

1000
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Speaker 2: when I'm in the UK because there are so many

1001
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 2: threats out there. Don't doubt there are threats, but you know,

1002
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 2: you quit the job, you're no longer a working royal,

1003
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 2: then you don't get the you can't have all the

1004
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 2: privileges and no responsibility. Anyway. He disagrees with that. He's

1005
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,320
Speaker 2: now even though he lost the court case, he's gone

1006
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 2: direct to the Labor Party minister who's in charge, and

1007
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 2: is begging her to reassess the situation and she it

1008
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 2: looks like is reneging. She has asked for a reassessment

1009
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Speaker 2: of his security so we could see taxpayer funded bodyguards

1010
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:49,280
Speaker 2: for Harry handout Brian Bridge straight away from six speaking

1011
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 2: of are the principles routing the system here? It looks

1012
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 2: like we've been taking for a bit of a ride,

1013
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 2: doesn't it. So the Auditor General has released its annual

1014
00:50:56,560 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 2: report on questionable spending by schools, and there are some doozies.

1015
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 2: Sutton Park School eleven grand on a staff planning meeting

1016
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:09,279
Speaker 2: at Sky City. There was a there was a kuittter

1017
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 2: to kitt a Copapa Maldi or Mangodi twenty two grand

1018
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 2: on a boat cruise. There was another kitter spent six

1019
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 2: grand on a trip to Turkey for the principal with

1020
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 2: quote no clear business purpose. The Ministry of Education says

1021
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 2: that there are twenty four hundred schools audited. Only a

1022
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 2: handful were commented on by the Auditor General. Erica Stamford

1023
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 2: is the Minister for Education and joins been now High Minister. Hello,

1024
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 2: how are you very good? Thank you? These have roughts,

1025
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 2: aren't they.

1026
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 19: Well, look it was a fund set up by the

1027
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 19: previous government. You know, it was vague, it wasn't particularly

1028
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 19: for purpose. It didn't have good guard rails to prevent

1029
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 19: exactly what's happened, and we ended up where we ended up.

1030
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Speaker 19: This isn't This isn't the type of thing this government

1031
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:51,840
Speaker 19: does these days.

1032
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:55,319
Speaker 2: Is this the well Being and Professional Development Fund you're

1033
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 2: talking about, Yeah, it's the.

1034
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 19: Well Being Fund. It just didn't have any really good

1035
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Speaker 19: guard rail about how we expected the money to be

1036
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Speaker 19: spent on what we expected the outcomes to be. And

1037
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Speaker 19: we've shifted very much in education now to outcomes framework contracting.

1038
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:11,400
Speaker 19: So hey, look what is the thing designed for and

1039
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:13,359
Speaker 19: what are we purchasing and what do we expect from

1040
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 19: it and that's what's going to raise achievement and get

1041
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:18,800
Speaker 19: all the things done in education we need.

1042
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 2: Would tourist attractions in Queenstown qualifying.

1043
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:28,759
Speaker 19: For a well being fund? Yes, look probably not. Can

1044
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:31,280
Speaker 19: I just also I should say that you know, ninety

1045
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:35,319
Speaker 19: nine percent of principles actually used the fund correctly. It's

1046
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 19: always you know that there was a few and it

1047
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 19: was boards that signed this out, you know that misused

1048
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 19: the money, and it wasn't for the intention of the money.

1049
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 19: So I don't want to malign the entire sector. It

1050
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 19: wasn't the case at all. It was always the case

1051
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Speaker 19: that it's just a few. But you can avoid this

1052
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 19: if you have good outcomes for the money that you

1053
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Speaker 19: are investing. And that's what we do.

1054
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Speaker 11: Now.

1055
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Speaker 19: This is not the kind of thing that our government do.

1056
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:03,240
Speaker 2: Okay, But what's the fund? So the fund still exists,

1057
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 2: a well being fun what's it worth it? What's the

1058
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 2: total cost?

1059
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:09,240
Speaker 19: No, well it doesn't. It's done. It was a previous

1060
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 19: government's initiative and it's now finished. Party is over. It

1061
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 19: was set up I think in the midst of COVID.

1062
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 19: It was typical of the COVID era spending of the

1063
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 19: previous government. Right, Oh, throw some money out the door.

1064
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 19: We don't worry about what the outcomes or what purpose is.

1065
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:27,719
Speaker 19: We just throw some money out. And that's why we've

1066
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:29,319
Speaker 19: ended up with this huge debt. And this is just

1067
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 19: a very small example of a much bigger previous government problem.

1068
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 19: But it's finished now and we are now putting our

1069
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:40,880
Speaker 19: funds into far more dedicated, outcomes focused areas.

1070
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Speaker 2: What about The Auditor General's report identifies some schools like Takutak,

1071
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 2: Papa Mahdi or Mondadewa and to Farakuda Manyadewa. This is

1072
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 2: the twenty two twenty three audits. School board provided so

1073
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Speaker 2: little financial information auditors could not give an opinion on

1074
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Speaker 2: their accounts.

1075
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Speaker 19: What happens to that school, Well, the Ministry of Education

1076
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 19: will follow up, it's the first thing. I've also just

1077
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:09,319
Speaker 19: commissioned a letter this morning to boards of trustees, because

1078
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 19: you've got to remember that boards are the ones that

1079
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 19: sign a lot of us out and are accountable for this.

1080
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 19: And so I'll be writing or I am writing to

1081
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:18,719
Speaker 19: the Boards of Trustees Association to say what advice are

1082
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 19: you giving two boards that we end up with this

1083
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:23,400
Speaker 19: kind of behavior as well. So we've just got to

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Speaker 19: tighten this crews in a few different places. But the

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Speaker 19: Ministry will be following up, as they always do every

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Speaker 19: year with these schools who are not doing what they're

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Speaker 19: supposed to.

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Speaker 2: But what happens if they follow up and this happens again,

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Speaker 2: this is three years on the troll.

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Speaker 19: Well, there are graduated interventions that the Ministry of Education

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Speaker 19: can undertake when we find that there is financial mis management.

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Speaker 19: We can put commissioners in and all sorts so we

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Speaker 19: can dissolve boards. But we always start with a hey,

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Speaker 19: what's gone wrong in an education approach and then follow

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Speaker 19: up with a graduated set of sanctions. But where there

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Speaker 19: is serious financial mis management, we can dissolve the board

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Speaker 19: of trustees.

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Speaker 2: All right, good tonight, minister, appreciate your time. Education Minister,

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Speaker 2: Erica Stamford nineteen to six.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand southby'st International Realty a name

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Speaker 1: you can trust locally and globally.

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Speaker 2: On the heart of snit Tric Hison Huson, Willis pr

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Speaker 2: Good evening, Trish Hi, Ryan Craig Whennis here two c

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Speaker 2: to you, economist and Labor Party candidate for Wellington Bays Craig,

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Speaker 2: good evening, Good evening, how are you very well? Thank you.

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Speaker 2: We will start with that last, but first the Audi

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Speaker 2: General's office. This is the boat cruisers, the food, the

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Speaker 2: overseas travel. Look, most teachers and principles aren't wasting money,

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Speaker 2: but the ones that are, it just seems that it

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Speaker 2: keeps happening every year. Every year we get a report

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Speaker 2: and nothing really changes. Craig, Oh, I agree.

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Speaker 20: I mean I used to work for the Audit Commission

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Speaker 20: in the UK that used to do exactly this sort

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Speaker 20: of work and investigate value for money and investigate fraud

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Speaker 20: in local authorities and other bodies, and if the money

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Speaker 20: has been found to be used for personal gain a

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Speaker 20: rather malicious purposes, there's clearly established law around that if

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Speaker 20: it's been used inappropriately out or but we paid back

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Speaker 20: so it could be used for the purposes that we

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Speaker 20: you know that was originally intended. But we also have

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Speaker 20: to look at the context here and without wishing to

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Speaker 20: diminish it. As Diminister said, the total amount of questionable

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Speaker 20: spending is in the order of point not one percent

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Speaker 20: of the nine point eight billion dollars we spend on

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Speaker 20: school funding last year. So it's yes, we should be

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Speaker 20: relentless and making sure that we're getting good value for

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Speaker 20: money for that spending and that it's not spent inappropriately.

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Speaker 20: But in any institution in which there are tens of

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Speaker 20: thousands of workers, there will always be a few instances

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Speaker 20: in any organization where questionable funding takes questionable spending takes place.

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Speaker 21: I think good context the Craig. The point I think

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Speaker 21: that I would make as appearent is that if you've

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Speaker 21: been standing out on the street doing sausage sizzles to

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Speaker 21: raise money for your school, and you found your school

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Speaker 21: was one of these involved in this kind of sloppy spending,

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Speaker 21: you would be pretty grumpy about that. In fear enough,

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Speaker 21: it sounds like Erica Stanford, in her inimitable style, has

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Speaker 21: got the systemic issues here under control, and they certainly

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Speaker 21: do need to be cleared up. There's a line here.

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Speaker 21: I think if there is a personal benefit but with

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Speaker 21: no clear outcome or benefit to the school, then that

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Speaker 21: money should be paid back.

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Speaker 2: Like if you're going to Queenstown, for example, and the

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Speaker 2: money is going towards tourist activities, absolutely that is out that.

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Speaker 2: Come on, Yeah, no reasonable person thinks that's acceptable. I agree,

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Speaker 2: all right. Well, apart from the previous Labor government, of

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Speaker 2: course Craig, which which would set up the well being

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Speaker 2: fun which apparently is made all this possible. So I

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Speaker 2: suppose I've got you to think.

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Speaker 3: I don't.

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Speaker 20: I don't think the Libor government is responsible for this,

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Speaker 20: for the questionable spending, and they have set up the fund.

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Speaker 20: Individuals themselves choose those spending path.

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Speaker 2: Hey, I want to get stuck into the RMA overhaul.

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Speaker 2: We'll get to that next.

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Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty the only

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Speaker 1: truly global brand.

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Speaker 2: Tis Shuerson and Craig Wrennie on the huddle tonight. So

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Speaker 2: the RMA reform, Big overhaul long signaled. Finally we've got it.

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Speaker 2: It's written down. It's seven hundred and fifty pages. Labors

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Speaker 2: was nine hundred. The current mess is thousands of pages long.

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Speaker 2: Trash thoughts.

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Speaker 21: This is absolutely transformative and even though we have had

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Speaker 21: the strip fed over time, what has been revealed today

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Speaker 21: is very, very significant in terms of our planning laws.

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Speaker 21: So the government is moving to these big thirty year

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Speaker 21: regional plans and just seventeen combined plans nationwide. So we're

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Speaker 21: going to have the existing RIMA for at least a

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Speaker 21: couple of years while all of that is sorted out.

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Speaker 21: And we'll come back to that in a minute. But

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Speaker 21: this is a very big win for people in New

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Speaker 21: Zealand who want to get on and build stuff. So

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Speaker 21: what the change means is that once we get these

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Speaker 21: big plans set up at the top where our pipes

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Speaker 21: and houses and infrastructure go, then getting an actual resource

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Speaker 21: consent should be more of a tick box exercise fast

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Speaker 21: track stays, so that will help speed it up. And

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Speaker 21: what is really great here is that these subjective arguments

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Speaker 21: about amenity and quotes and character largely drop out. So

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Speaker 21: this is where we've had issues. Say I'm you know,

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Speaker 21: I've got a building project and I'm building a bunker

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Speaker 21: style a house on a hill, and neighbors around go, well,

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Speaker 21: we don't.

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Speaker 2: Like the style of that.

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Speaker 21: They could argue that against it under the existing process

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Speaker 21: because they it was called subjective amenity effects. Now that's

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Speaker 21: where for people trying to build stuff it is time

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Speaker 21: and cost and uncertainty. So that that is a really

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Speaker 21: good positive change. The big change also will be for

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Speaker 21: communities because for thirty years they have had huge power

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Speaker 21: in terms of advocating strongly and having real wins against

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Speaker 21: particular projects. Where they will now have have a voice

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Speaker 21: is right up high when these big plans are set,

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Speaker 21: but when it then drops down into the nitty gritty,

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Speaker 21: that's gone, which you can argue either way, but it

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Speaker 21: will definitely speed things up. And then I think the

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Speaker 21: other big point to make here is that this is

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Speaker 21: a legislative change with huge ambition, but there are big

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Speaker 21: execution and political risks. So ultimately where this will live

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Speaker 21: or die is getting local government to agree and set

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Speaker 21: those big visionary plans. Now these are thirty year plans.

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Speaker 21: Currently New Zealand struggles to get planning even out for

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Speaker 21: ten years. We struggle to get bipartisanship out, you know,

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Speaker 21: even past an electoral cycle. So I think that is

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Speaker 21: going to be where the real test.

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Speaker 2: Is, Craig, is that on that front. What's Labour's line

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Speaker 2: on this? You guys just going to I mean, I

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Speaker 2: know that National Rich labors up, so it's not like

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Speaker 2: they've got a leg to stand on. But is it

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Speaker 2: time we just all agree, come by our and move on.

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Speaker 20: I think you're probably right. I think it's probably time

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Speaker 20: could quota, particularly using interest. It's probably time we all

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Speaker 20: stop for a cup of tea. And I think before

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Speaker 20: we started flipping it again. You know, as you say,

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Speaker 20: this government came in, abolished the previous RMA reforms, reimposed

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Speaker 20: the old RMA and has now given us this RME reform.

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Speaker 20: And I think Trish has quite rightly set out the

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Speaker 20: fact that this is quite serious reform.

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Speaker 5: It's quite far reaching reform.

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Speaker 20: I also agree with Triff that the thirty year vision

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Speaker 20: documents will be very hard to deliver. Again, I've seen

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Speaker 20: experience around the rest of the world is that they're

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Speaker 20: extremely controversial documents, and so I think it'll be quite

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Speaker 20: difficult to get clarity on those. There's just two areas

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Speaker 20: that I think there's some real challenges in this set

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Speaker 20: of reforms, one of which is on the regulatory relief mechanism,

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Speaker 20: where councils may have to compensate people for the possible

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Speaker 20: loss of income associated with some prescriptions on the use

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Speaker 20: of their property. As an economist, just compensating people for

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Speaker 20: possible losses fantastically tricky, and so we'll likely end up

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Speaker 20: being caught over and over again with that one, as

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Speaker 20: people work out the difference between well, I think my

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Speaker 20: possible loss is this, and you think my possible loss

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Speaker 20: is that, and how do we work out what the

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Speaker 20: real value of possible losses? And then finally, some of

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Speaker 20: the cost savings being proposed in the Economic Impact Report

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Speaker 20: seem frankly unbelievably heroic, and so some of the consequence

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Speaker 20: only time will tell. Why, you know, with there, we're

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Speaker 20: going to really pan out, And to be fair to

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Speaker 20: the government, it's why I'm actually very happy that, unlike

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Speaker 20: other pieces of legislation that this government's passed, this is

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Speaker 20: actually going to get a full select committee process, and

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Speaker 20: I think that's essential with a document of this scale

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Speaker 20: and two bills of this nature.

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Speaker 2: And I guess whether it's thirteen billion over thirty years

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Speaker 2: or whether it's five it's still worth doing, you know

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Speaker 2: what I mean? Hey, just finally at Christmas tables. This

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Speaker 2: Christmas apparently going to be pecked with lamb. That's our

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Speaker 2: favorite Keepy's favorite meat. This is some kind of survey

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Speaker 2: that's been done today. Craig, what do you put on

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Speaker 2: your Christmas table?

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Speaker 20: Well, anything's better than turkey, which is what I'm used

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Speaker 20: to do in the UK, So fan of still a

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Speaker 20: huge fan of Ham. But to be honest, if you

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Speaker 20: can afford it, why not both? It's better Ham, do

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Speaker 20: both Trish well.

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Speaker 21: As you know, in our house, Ryan, I operate a

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Speaker 21: governance management sort of structure. I'm in the governance role,

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Speaker 21: so deciding detail like what's on the Christmas table or

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Speaker 21: even cooking it is really out of my remit. But

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Speaker 21: the person who is in charge of managing that does

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Speaker 21: like multiple meat options, and I suspect this year it

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Speaker 21: might be a red meat and some kind of a seafood.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's got that egg barbecue thing too,

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Speaker 2: doesn't it that he loves using?

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Speaker 6: Yes, he does.

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Speaker 2: Sounds like could be a yummy Christmas at Trish's place.

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Speaker 2: It is eight minutes away from Sexyr. On news talks,

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Speaker 2: heb that's Craig really interest yours on thehuddle tonight. Back

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Speaker 2: in a second.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duplassy Allen Drive Full Show podcast on

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Speaker 1: my Art Radio powered by News Talk ZBI.

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Speaker 2: News Talks would be five to six. We shouldn't complain

1274
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:15,840
Speaker 2: about taxpayer money being wasted in New Zealand because there's

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Speaker 2: nothing compared to what's happening in Australia. You know we

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Speaker 2: used today we're talking about Aarnaka Wells. This is the

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Speaker 2: Communications and Sports Minister under Albanizi across the Tasman and

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Speaker 2: she took her husband and her kids to the ski resort,

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Speaker 2: took the husband to the cricket and the flights are

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Speaker 2: paid for on the taxpayer by the way, that's the

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Speaker 2: problem with it. Took the husband to the AFL. Now

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Speaker 2: new revelations for Arnica Wells today one thousand dollars for

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Speaker 2: a chauffeur to wait outside while she attended the Australian Open. Now,

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Speaker 2: how much do you pay? So one thousand dollars gets

1285
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Speaker 2: her seven hours. She made the chauffeur wait outside while

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Speaker 2: she was inside the Australian Open outrageous com car they

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Speaker 2: us over there. It's a taxpayth funded show first service

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Speaker 2: used by politicians and the GG and top judges stuff

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Speaker 2: like that. Transports build at a sort of per minute rate,

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Speaker 2: and so they did the maths on it. Seven hours

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Speaker 2: she was in there, and she's dodging new questions every day. Basically,

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Speaker 2: here's the shadow Treasurer having a crack.

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Speaker 22: I cannot understand how you could justify spending one thousand

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Speaker 22: dollars in Paris on a meal and seven hundred and

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Speaker 22: fifty dollars on alcohol at that meal. Bananikoel said to

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Speaker 22: Andrew Clenel on Sunday that she thought she fell asleep

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Speaker 22: at the table. Did she fall asleep at the table

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Speaker 22: because she drank seven hundred and fifty dollars worth of

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Speaker 22: alcohol on taxpayer tap.

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Speaker 2: That's pretty good. It's pretty good to be fair. If

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Speaker 2: you're in Paris, you know you can rack up her

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Speaker 2: booze bill pretty quickly, can't you? But seven fifty when

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Speaker 2: the food was less than that, it's a bit of

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Speaker 2: all right, you're on new stalks. He'd be coming up

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Speaker 2: after sex. This evening we'll talk a little bit, get

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Speaker 2: some more reaction to the RMA, See what business thinks

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Speaker 2: of it, See what housing you know what those are

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01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:02,680
Speaker 2: the housing industry think of it. Also, we'll get to

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Speaker 2: the country with Jamie McKay, and then after six thirtieth

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Speaker 2: evening we'll look at this issue with the ships in

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Speaker 2: the Taiwan Strait News TALKSB and it's.

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Speaker 1: What's up, what's down? What were the major cause and

1313
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Speaker 1: how will it affect the economy? The big business questions

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Speaker 1: on the Business Hour with Ryan Bridge and Man's Motive

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Speaker 1: vehicle of insurance, Your futures had good Hands News Talks.

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Speaker 2: EDB Good evening seven after sixth grade to have your

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Speaker 2: company and the Brady in the UK for us before

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Speaker 2: seven o'clock, I should say, this evening we'll get to

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Speaker 2: a commodore Shane Undel. He's with the Navy, he was

1320
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Speaker 2: in the htmn's there is alt Ara's seven Chinese warships

1321
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Speaker 2: follow along through the Taiwan straight pus will do country, country,

1322
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Speaker 2: rural news, I should say with Jamie McKay Right now though,

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Speaker 2: let's get to the rim. So arime is out. We

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Speaker 2: have replacements to new laws coming in, one based on planning,

1325
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Speaker 2: the others actually based on the environment. The idea is

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Speaker 2: you will have the number of consents and permits that

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Speaker 2: are required, and you'll speed up the ones that are

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Speaker 2: still in the pipeline. Government recons we will save thirteen

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Speaker 2: billion bucks in admin and compliance costs over the next

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Speaker 2: thirty years. Property Council Chief executively only freemans with me tonight. Hey,

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Speaker 2: you ony Cure, what's your first impressions of this.

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Speaker 23: We're pleased with the direction of where the government's going

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Speaker 23: with this. We're hoping that it will you know, the

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Speaker 23: reduction of one hundred plans down to seventeen will provide

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Speaker 23: a lot more consistency. The idea is it will be

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Speaker 23: a lot simpler. Reducing the number of consents will only

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Speaker 23: help speed up the process and also reduce costs. And

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Speaker 23: at the end of the day, with the two acts,

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Speaker 23: it will make clearer the environmental priorities, but at the

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Speaker 23: same time provide clarity on development so that we protect

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Speaker 23: the environment while we house kiwis and I think that's

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Speaker 23: the key outcome. We're looking for will.

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Speaker 2: We the consumers see cheaper you know, while I see

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Speaker 2: a cheaper house.

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Speaker 23: Well, that's a good question. It's all going to be

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Speaker 23: and how it's implemented. I mean, there is the potential

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Speaker 23: to do that because consenting costs are a big part

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Speaker 23: of house costs, so yes, possibly, but also there's a

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Speaker 23: whole lot of other things that have got to go

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Speaker 23: with this, And it's still going to be a while

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Speaker 23: until it's you know, because we've still got to go

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Speaker 23: through the consultation process. The bill's got to be passed,

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Speaker 23: and then it's going to be a while until it's implemented.

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Speaker 23: But that is the objective.

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Speaker 2: It would be great, would be wouldn't it? What about

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Speaker 2: this problem with building in areas or getting developments done

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Speaker 2: in areas where there aren't there isn't the infrastructure under

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Speaker 2: the ground.

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Speaker 23: So infrastructure is always you know, the development can't occur

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Speaker 23: until the infrastructure is there. So this, you know, the

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Speaker 23: bills with the RMA are focusing on that sort of

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Speaker 23: bigger perspective development, but infrastructure is a key bit that

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Speaker 23: needs to be put in place before and the government

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Speaker 23: was introducing some new or updating its Finance and Funding

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Speaker 23: Act today and the idea is to try and find

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Speaker 23: some alternative ways to help support counsels to fund the infrastructure.

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Speaker 2: Leoni, appreciate your time tonight. Thanks having with me. Learnie Freeman,

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Speaker 2: who's chief executive at the Property Council. Time is ten

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Speaker 2: minutes after six. What happens in the meantime that's a

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Speaker 2: question We've I've been getting some text about this afternoon.

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Speaker 2: So you know what, if you've got an existing consent

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Speaker 2: or that you've just been had one granted, or you

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Speaker 2: are applying for a consent, well there is a press

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Speaker 2: press releases up the WAZU today, but there was one

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Speaker 2: from Simon Court. He's the under Secretary to the Minister

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Speaker 2: for RMA, Chris Bishop. They co sign this press release.

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Speaker 2: If you have an existing consent, the expiry date for

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Speaker 2: that consent will be extended to two years after the

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Speaker 2: end of this transition period for the new system. So basically,

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Speaker 2: if you have a consent now, it will probably be

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Speaker 2: extended to around twenty thirty one. So that is the

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Speaker 2: good news for you. If for new consent applications, if

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Speaker 2: you want to put one in, can still do those

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01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:31,240
Speaker 2: fine during this period weather in transition for the next

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Speaker 2: couple of years still put it in and it will

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Speaker 2: follow a new process called the transitional RMA process. Basically,

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Speaker 2: what that means is you will have limited tests for

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Speaker 2: public notification. In other words, public won't have much of

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Speaker 2: a say and the scope of effects that can be

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Speaker 2: considered will be reduced as well, So public will have

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Speaker 2: less of a say and there'll be fewer things to

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Speaker 2: have a say. On eleven after six News Talk ZVB.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duplicy allan Drive full show podcast on

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Speaker 1: my Heart Radio empowered by NEWSTALKSBB News TALKSB.

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Speaker 2: It is fourteen minutes after six. If you missed my

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Speaker 2: interview with Nikola Willis last night here on Drive on

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Speaker 2: Newstalks FB, you can find it online a newstalksb dot

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Speaker 2: co dot nz. But basically in it, the minister confirms, well, no,

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Speaker 2: she doesn't confirm anything. I've'm been completely honest with you.

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Speaker 2: But what she doesn't do is say yes, we will

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Speaker 2: definitely get back to surplus when I promised you last

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Speaker 2: time we spoke, which was twenty twenty nine, they have

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Speaker 2: a slim surplus forecast betweenty twenty nine. They've got the

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Speaker 2: half yearly economic and fiscal update coming out next week,

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Speaker 2: which we will bring you and tell you about. But

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Speaker 2: what the Minister wouldn't tell us is that that will

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Speaker 2: get back to surplus when they said they would get

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Speaker 2: back to surplus, which is quite an important thing for

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Speaker 2: a national party, isn't it to get the books back

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Speaker 2: to surplus. That economy hasn't been going as well. We

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Speaker 2: know this, which means the tax take isn't as good.

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Speaker 2: We know this, which means surely you will have to

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Speaker 2: push your surplus out unless you cut. And she did

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Speaker 2: tell us she's not going to cut. She's not going

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Speaker 2: to do a Ruth Richardson. So I go and have

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Speaker 2: a listen to that interview. If you like news Talks

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Speaker 2: AB dot co dot in Z Quarter past six.

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Speaker 5: The Rural Report on Hither DUP See Allen Drive.

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Speaker 2: Jamie McKay, host of the Country with Us Jamie Good Evening,

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Speaker 2: Good evening, Ryan. Now, our farmers loving the RMA reform,

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Speaker 2: well some of them are.

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Speaker 3: I am.

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Speaker 24: Your producer, Laura just told me the grounds well aren't

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01:12:32,439 --> 01:12:35,120
Speaker 24: too happy. They're calling it tepit or tame or something

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01:12:35,240 --> 01:12:38,679
Speaker 24: like that. But look, anything that makes the consenting process easier,

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Speaker 24: not only for farming, but also for business, especially small business,

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Speaker 24: will be most welcomed. We had the ridiculous situation that

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Speaker 24: a former Federated Farmer's executive by the name of David

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Speaker 24: Clark made. He's a mid Candorbury arable farmer, and it

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Speaker 24: was costing him even though he was not changing his

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Speaker 24: farming practice at all. It was going to cost him

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Speaker 24: fifty or sixty grand from ECAN to get a new

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01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:05,800
Speaker 24: consent to farm just the way he had been In

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Speaker 24: the ridiculousness of the situation, Ryan was that the cheapest

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Speaker 24: way for him to get a consent, this is an

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Speaker 24: arable farmer, was to apply to convert his farm to

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Speaker 24: dairy farming. So how stupid is that? So look, anything

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Speaker 24: that cuts through this red tape and bureaucratic nonsense. You know,

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Speaker 24: if you want to build a deck and you're not

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Speaker 24: annoying anybody, why not build a deck off the side

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Speaker 24: of your house.

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Speaker 5: That's what I say.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, Now farmer confidence. We spoke about this yesterday.

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01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:38,560
Speaker 2: But still it's not crashing. But it has sort of

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01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:39,559
Speaker 2: come off its peak.

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Speaker 24: Yeah no, no, it's not crashing. It's come off a

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Speaker 24: really high peak. In fact, the best that had been

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Speaker 24: since off the top of my head, I think about

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Speaker 24: twenty seventeen. So now look, it's good net positivity has

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01:13:52,479 --> 01:13:56,439
Speaker 24: gone ross forty to plus twenty eight. Those who held

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01:13:56,520 --> 01:14:00,679
Speaker 24: those farmers who held negative outlook. Lower comme on prices

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01:14:00,760 --> 01:14:02,840
Speaker 24: is the main concern for them, that's sixty percent. You've

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01:14:02,840 --> 01:14:05,760
Speaker 24: got to remember these lower farmer confidence levels. And I'm

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01:14:05,760 --> 01:14:08,160
Speaker 24: sure you discussed this, yest that are sorry if I'm

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01:14:08,200 --> 01:14:10,479
Speaker 24: repeating what you've already said. Is off the back of

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Speaker 24: dairy farmers, less confidence for them. Obviously, we've had seven

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Speaker 24: or eight falls in the GDT.

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Speaker 7: Auction in a row.

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Speaker 24: You know, the payout's gone from ten to nine fifteen.

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Speaker 24: Even that's looking a bit dodgy. So they're driving down

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01:14:23,320 --> 01:14:27,000
Speaker 24: a bit more pessimism, but coming from a very good

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01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:33,439
Speaker 24: or a very high base. Conversely, sheep and beef farmers

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01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:37,080
Speaker 24: are the most confident of what. Look, they're having a

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Speaker 24: roiler of a season, a red meat price is both

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Speaker 24: lamb up have neverne is high. And also it's worth

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Speaker 24: remembering that the Keywi fruit farmers are also growing going

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Speaker 24: great guns as well. And remember that Trump has taken

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Speaker 24: the tariffs of both beef and Kiwi fruit, so I

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Speaker 24: would say those two, Ryan, and my humble opinion, even

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Speaker 24: though Lamb's really good at the moment, for those the

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Speaker 24: two shining lights, I think when it comes to farming

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Speaker 24: in the twenty five twenty six farming.

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Speaker 2: Season, absolutely speaking, staying with Lamb and the shining lights,

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Speaker 2: that's my favorite. The survey on what people are going

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Speaker 2: to eat on Christmas Day, Jamie, the lamb is my

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Speaker 2: absolute go to, And I mean I flirt a little

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Speaker 2: bit with some ham, but lamb is my is my

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Speaker 2: Christmas meal.

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Speaker 24: Well good on you, Ryan. I grew up on a

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01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:28,800
Speaker 24: sheep farm in Southland and it's quite funny like we

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01:15:28,880 --> 01:15:30,920
Speaker 24: would kill a lamb for Christmas. But other than that,

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01:15:31,040 --> 01:15:34,519
Speaker 24: we wouldn't. My father wouldn't bother having lamb. He thought

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01:15:35,320 --> 01:15:39,120
Speaker 24: more mature sheep, hoggits or two tooths, we're better tasting,

1484
01:15:39,200 --> 01:15:41,479
Speaker 24: had more flavor. I'm a big lamb fan as well,

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01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:45,320
Speaker 24: but I'm a bit of a traditionalist. We'll be going

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Speaker 24: for the ham, but I still love the lamb. I

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Speaker 24: think a lamb wreck is the finest pe meat piece

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Speaker 24: of meat known to mankind.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, when it comes to.

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Speaker 24: The survey, forty two percent said lamb. Thirty percent said

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Speaker 24: ham and thirteen percent Ryan's said beef. They probably can't

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01:16:01,240 --> 01:16:04,320
Speaker 24: afford a sirloin or a ribbi steak at the prices

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01:16:04,360 --> 01:16:07,639
Speaker 24: of beef. At the moment, traditional roast meals still remain

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Speaker 24: the clear favorite. Forty nine percent of respondents are going

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01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:14,000
Speaker 24: with that, but barbecues are coming up the rear. There

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Speaker 24: are chosen by more than a third of respondents, and Ryan.

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Speaker 24: When it comes to what you add to your protein

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Speaker 24: of choice, potatoes obviously a number one. They've got to

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Speaker 24: be new spuds for Christmas salads, then number one ninety

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Speaker 24: one salads, seventy nine, Kumera surprisingly in third place for

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01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:35,519
Speaker 24: me anyhow at fifty nine, Carrot's fifty four, Broccoli forty three,

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01:16:35,880 --> 01:16:38,800
Speaker 24: and the Humble p forty two percent. And when it

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01:16:38,840 --> 01:16:41,400
Speaker 24: comes to Pavlover, there is a clear When it comes

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01:16:41,439 --> 01:16:44,040
Speaker 24: to dessert, should I say, there is a clear winner

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01:16:44,120 --> 01:16:47,679
Speaker 24: and I haven't kept the powder dry there It is Pavlover,

1506
01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:50,920
Speaker 24: an absolute standout at seventy one percent, and it gets

1507
01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:52,439
Speaker 24: my vote every day of the week.

1508
01:16:52,439 --> 01:16:55,560
Speaker 2: Hundred percent. No surprises there either, Jamie, thank you for that.

1509
01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:58,080
Speaker 2: Jamie McKay, our host of the Country with US on

1510
01:16:58,200 --> 01:17:02,240
Speaker 2: News talk, S'db that I do much. My grandma started

1511
01:17:02,360 --> 01:17:05,200
Speaker 2: me on, which is I think it's equal parts. If

1512
01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:08,960
Speaker 2: you get a liter of yogurt, like you can get

1513
01:17:09,240 --> 01:17:10,559
Speaker 2: one of the flavored ones, or you can just get

1514
01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:13,920
Speaker 2: unsweetened yogurt and you get a poddle of cream and

1515
01:17:14,360 --> 01:17:18,080
Speaker 2: you get marshmallows, and maybe you put some berries in

1516
01:17:18,160 --> 01:17:19,320
Speaker 2: there if you want to, if you want to make

1517
01:17:19,320 --> 01:17:22,160
Speaker 2: it a little bit fancy. But that is what she

1518
01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:27,040
Speaker 2: calls it, ambrosia. I think it's called absolutely delicious. Put

1519
01:17:27,080 --> 01:17:29,240
Speaker 2: it in the fridge, don't put the marshmallows in. Just

1520
01:17:29,320 --> 01:17:31,600
Speaker 2: put the mixture in the fridge and then add the

1521
01:17:31,680 --> 01:17:35,280
Speaker 2: marshmallows after you take it out of the fridge. Delicious

1522
01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:36,479
Speaker 2: six twenty.

1523
01:17:37,080 --> 01:17:39,760
Speaker 1: If it's to do with money, it matters to you

1524
01:17:40,520 --> 01:17:45,120
Speaker 1: the business hour with Ryan Bridge and Mass Motor Vehicle Insurance,

1525
01:17:45,479 --> 01:17:47,280
Speaker 1: your futures in good hands.

1526
01:17:47,800 --> 01:17:48,640
Speaker 5: Used talks that'd be.

1527
01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:51,240
Speaker 2: Six twenty three, Colin says Ryan Lamb. Cook it for

1528
01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:53,960
Speaker 2: ten hours at one hundred degrees keeps from moist and

1529
01:17:54,120 --> 01:17:56,320
Speaker 2: keeps the flavor, and you just lift the bone out

1530
01:17:56,479 --> 01:17:58,080
Speaker 2: and the meat falls off it. Give it a go

1531
01:17:58,680 --> 01:18:00,760
Speaker 2: ten hours, though Colin, it's just a lot of you know,

1532
01:18:00,800 --> 01:18:02,560
Speaker 2: a lot of comp You've got to think about the

1533
01:18:02,640 --> 01:18:04,439
Speaker 2: fact that it's there and you've got a plan. And

1534
01:18:04,600 --> 01:18:06,280
Speaker 2: I'm just not one of the I'm not good at that.

1535
01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:08,439
Speaker 2: I'm not good at that, Colin. But there'll be someone

1536
01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:10,840
Speaker 2: I'm sure listening to this, who I will be in

1537
01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:13,800
Speaker 2: proximity to on Christmas Day, who might be listening to this,

1538
01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:17,559
Speaker 2: who might be able to do something wonderful for ten hours, Ryan,

1539
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:21,240
Speaker 2: do you whip the cream? Says Leslie. Yes, Ambrosia, you

1540
01:18:21,280 --> 01:18:23,760
Speaker 2: whip the cream. So you whip the cream. You put

1541
01:18:23,800 --> 01:18:26,600
Speaker 2: your yogurt in, And I personally like to use the

1542
01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:29,600
Speaker 2: yogurt that's got the berry already pre berry flavored, not

1543
01:18:29,720 --> 01:18:32,880
Speaker 2: the natural unsweetened one. Chuck that in there, put it

1544
01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:36,120
Speaker 2: in the fridge. I don't know, not ten hours, give

1545
01:18:36,120 --> 01:18:38,560
Speaker 2: it too, and then throw your marshmallows in after that.

1546
01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:41,559
Speaker 2: Bob's your uncle. All Happy Christmas Day twenty four up

1547
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:41,880
Speaker 2: to six.

1548
01:18:42,760 --> 01:18:45,559
Speaker 5: There's no business like show business.

1549
01:18:52,960 --> 01:18:55,880
Speaker 2: Bobby Woods Award season is almost upon us. The Golden

1550
01:18:55,920 --> 01:18:58,559
Speaker 2: Globes and Norms are out this morning. Our K Pop

1551
01:18:58,680 --> 01:19:02,800
Speaker 2: Demon Hunters is up for Best Animated Movie. Leonardo DiCaprio's

1552
01:19:02,840 --> 01:19:05,400
Speaker 2: latest film is leading the charge, though one battle after

1553
01:19:05,479 --> 01:19:09,920
Speaker 2: another got nine nominations, including four Best Musical Comedy Film.

1554
01:19:10,160 --> 01:19:14,320
Speaker 5: There are no hands on the clock why because they're

1555
01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:14,920
Speaker 5: not needed.

1556
01:19:15,800 --> 01:19:17,840
Speaker 1: What time is it? Ah?

1557
01:19:19,439 --> 01:19:19,600
Speaker 13: You know?

1558
01:19:19,680 --> 01:19:21,479
Speaker 5: I don't, I don't. I don't remember that part.

1559
01:19:21,520 --> 01:19:24,519
Speaker 6: All right, let's just not lippick over the passwords.

1560
01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:27,880
Speaker 2: Now, just for those who aren't familiar. And I wasn't

1561
01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:29,920
Speaker 2: when I went to see this. My parents flew in

1562
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:32,519
Speaker 2: from Wellington and my partner and I said no, no,

1563
01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:34,240
Speaker 2: it's happened to a movie. And a friend of ours

1564
01:19:34,280 --> 01:19:36,240
Speaker 2: has said that it's a good movie. Two things you

1565
01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:40,120
Speaker 2: need to know. First, it's three more than three hours long.

1566
01:19:40,160 --> 01:19:43,720
Speaker 2: I think three hours fifteen long, So if you don't

1567
01:19:43,800 --> 01:19:45,960
Speaker 2: like your parents, it's a great option because you're not talking.

1568
01:19:46,560 --> 01:19:49,719
Speaker 2: But second thing you need to know first fifteen minutes

1569
01:19:50,560 --> 01:19:55,360
Speaker 2: basically pawn okay, just big wir. The Wicked sequel missed

1570
01:19:55,360 --> 01:19:58,160
Speaker 2: out on Best Film nomination despite its box office success,

1571
01:19:58,320 --> 01:20:01,559
Speaker 2: but did get five nominations. On the TV side of things,

1572
01:20:01,640 --> 01:20:03,400
Speaker 2: The White Lotus is up for six awards.

1573
01:20:03,760 --> 01:20:05,720
Speaker 20: At the end of the week, You're with me an

1574
01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:09,320
Speaker 20: entirely different Perstal, What happens to plan Stee.

1575
01:20:09,240 --> 01:20:14,040
Speaker 2: And Page Adolescents scored five nooms, including for Best Limited Series,

1576
01:20:14,240 --> 01:20:17,880
Speaker 2: and The Pits, The Diplomat, Severance and Slow Horses are

1577
01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:22,200
Speaker 2: also in the mix for Best Series. Twenty five minutes

1578
01:20:22,240 --> 01:20:25,920
Speaker 2: after six, all everyone's sending in messages about ambrosia and

1579
01:20:25,960 --> 01:20:29,000
Speaker 2: it's just making me hungry, now Ryani, Yes, it is

1580
01:20:29,040 --> 01:20:31,840
Speaker 2: called ambrosia. Add some whipped cream, then adds sprinkled some

1581
01:20:32,720 --> 01:20:34,800
Speaker 2: chocolate flakes over the top. If you really want to

1582
01:20:34,880 --> 01:20:39,320
Speaker 2: jazz it up, smashed linked chocolate balls. Settle down, Ben,

1583
01:20:40,720 --> 01:20:42,600
Speaker 2: This one says. We also crumble in a bit of

1584
01:20:42,760 --> 01:20:46,120
Speaker 2: meringue and add berries to all the merangue. If you

1585
01:20:46,240 --> 01:20:50,479
Speaker 2: add meringue and berries in eaten mess it's called says Michelle.

1586
01:20:50,720 --> 01:20:53,560
Speaker 2: There you go. So there are lots of texts that

1587
01:20:53,640 --> 01:20:55,760
Speaker 2: I haven't got to and I apologize for that. But

1588
01:20:55,880 --> 01:20:58,320
Speaker 2: we spoke earlier, just after four on the show about

1589
01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:01,960
Speaker 2: We spoke to the Green, which wasn't as painful as

1590
01:21:02,000 --> 01:21:06,160
Speaker 2: it sounds, and we talked about the students who are overseas.

1591
01:21:06,479 --> 01:21:09,240
Speaker 2: Kiwis are overseas, got student loans and they don't want

1592
01:21:09,280 --> 01:21:11,320
Speaker 2: to come home for Christmas because of the have to

1593
01:21:11,360 --> 01:21:13,920
Speaker 2: pay the bill when they get here. Ryan, I have

1594
01:21:14,120 --> 01:21:17,160
Speaker 2: three kids, says Joe. I have three kids in their twenties,

1595
01:21:17,280 --> 01:21:21,000
Speaker 2: all overseas with loans, one fully paid off now other

1596
01:21:21,080 --> 01:21:25,080
Speaker 2: two paying the loan and the interest prioritized. Repaying this

1597
01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:30,719
Speaker 2: before travel and while earning overseas. It's hard, but it's possible.

1598
01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:34,960
Speaker 2: It's exactly right, Joe. You're exactly on the money. If

1599
01:21:35,000 --> 01:21:37,000
Speaker 2: these guys are overseas, you can't tell me that they're

1600
01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:39,680
Speaker 2: not at the pub, that they're not at Sale Croatia,

1601
01:21:40,280 --> 01:21:44,720
Speaker 2: and that they're not holidaying in Greece. They're in Santorini. Well,

1602
01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:47,080
Speaker 2: we're battling through winter paying down our loans here in

1603
01:21:47,120 --> 01:21:50,200
Speaker 2: New Zealand. Come on, let's be honest. Twenty seven after

1604
01:21:50,240 --> 01:21:52,519
Speaker 2: six News Talks, they'd be we'll speak to the navy next,

1605
01:21:52,680 --> 01:21:54,800
Speaker 2: and we're in the UK before seven.

1606
01:22:01,400 --> 01:22:05,360
Speaker 1: Scrudging the numbers and getting the results. It's Ryan Bridge

1607
01:22:05,560 --> 01:22:08,719
Speaker 1: on the Business Hour with MAS Motor Vehicle Insurance.

1608
01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:19,760
Speaker 5: Your future is in good hands. News Talks MBILL.

1609
01:22:21,240 --> 01:22:23,320
Speaker 2: Twenty five away from seven. You're on News Talks mb

1610
01:22:23,439 --> 01:22:26,760
Speaker 2: into Bradio UK correspondent before seven this evening. We'll get

1611
01:22:26,760 --> 01:22:29,200
Speaker 2: to him very shortly, just on the rugby were just

1612
01:22:29,320 --> 01:22:32,960
Speaker 2: listening to the sports news there and couldn't help it here.

1613
01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:36,360
Speaker 2: You know, we're struggling to get people to All Blacks

1614
01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:38,680
Speaker 2: games and so we're looking at changing the time of them.

1615
01:22:38,720 --> 01:22:40,600
Speaker 2: And I know this is not a new problem that

1616
01:22:40,680 --> 01:22:44,280
Speaker 2: we've got. It's a relatively new problem, though, isn't it.

1617
01:22:44,360 --> 01:22:46,519
Speaker 2: I mean, if you think back ten twenty years, would

1618
01:22:46,520 --> 01:22:48,400
Speaker 2: you have struggled to get anyone to an All Blacks

1619
01:22:48,479 --> 01:22:51,280
Speaker 2: test match even if it was Italy? No, you wouldn't.

1620
01:22:51,800 --> 01:22:55,519
Speaker 2: People would go, people wanted to go. So what's changed? Well,

1621
01:22:55,600 --> 01:22:58,360
Speaker 2: everything's changed, isn't it. People have got so much more choice.

1622
01:22:58,400 --> 01:23:00,840
Speaker 2: There are more sports that people can play and choosing

1623
01:23:00,880 --> 01:23:03,519
Speaker 2: to play and choosing to watch. You've got more channels

1624
01:23:03,560 --> 01:23:05,240
Speaker 2: for them to watch it on. And then you've got

1625
01:23:05,240 --> 01:23:07,559
Speaker 2: all these new leagues that you know, like the Rebel

1626
01:23:07,680 --> 01:23:10,120
Speaker 2: Rugby League that's coming out, You've got the Live Golf Tour,

1627
01:23:10,280 --> 01:23:12,840
Speaker 2: like no matter what the sport is. Not only do

1628
01:23:12,920 --> 01:23:15,679
Speaker 2: we have more sports, but we have more competitions within

1629
01:23:15,800 --> 01:23:19,240
Speaker 2: those sports that are all competing for eyeballs. So what

1630
01:23:19,400 --> 01:23:23,960
Speaker 2: you have is no one main thing anymore. Same things

1631
01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:27,800
Speaker 2: happening with media, no one main thing an apart from

1632
01:23:27,840 --> 01:23:30,880
Speaker 2: news talks that'd be though, of course, same things happening

1633
01:23:30,920 --> 01:23:33,080
Speaker 2: with movies. You know, how often do you go to

1634
01:23:33,120 --> 01:23:36,080
Speaker 2: your friends and say, oh, I am watching this movie

1635
01:23:36,120 --> 01:23:37,920
Speaker 2: and no idea what you're talking about? Or I'm watching

1636
01:23:37,960 --> 01:23:39,800
Speaker 2: this TV show, No idea what you're talking about?

1637
01:23:39,800 --> 01:23:40,080
Speaker 5: Why not?

1638
01:23:40,160 --> 01:23:41,200
Speaker 2: Because I don't have that app.

1639
01:23:41,720 --> 01:23:41,880
Speaker 5: You know.

1640
01:23:42,280 --> 01:23:46,519
Speaker 2: The whole world is lots of little things now, not

1641
01:23:47,120 --> 01:23:49,680
Speaker 2: a couple of big things, you know, and no one

1642
01:23:49,760 --> 01:23:53,360
Speaker 2: knows what anyone's talking about anymore. But sad, really, isn't it?

1643
01:23:53,439 --> 01:23:56,519
Speaker 2: Twenty four away from seven Ryan Bridge, we learned this

1644
01:23:56,640 --> 01:23:59,120
Speaker 2: week that a New Zealand Navy vessel was followed around

1645
01:23:59,200 --> 01:24:02,760
Speaker 2: by no less than seven Chinese warships while patrolling in

1646
01:24:03,120 --> 01:24:06,040
Speaker 2: waters through Asia. The HG Men's it is Alta had

1647
01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:09,519
Speaker 2: crossed through the Taiwan Strait was patrolling international waters this

1648
01:24:09,720 --> 01:24:13,040
Speaker 2: to try and curb North Korean war programs. Commodore Shane

1649
01:24:13,720 --> 01:24:17,599
Speaker 2: ardnil is the Royal New Zealand Navy's Maritime Component Commander

1650
01:24:17,640 --> 01:24:19,120
Speaker 2: and joins me. Now, welcome to the show.

1651
01:24:20,200 --> 01:24:21,200
Speaker 25: Thank you, thanks for having me.

1652
01:24:21,680 --> 01:24:23,759
Speaker 2: So were you expecting Chinese company?

1653
01:24:25,560 --> 01:24:28,559
Speaker 25: Yes, indeed, we plan for it to happen because it's

1654
01:24:28,600 --> 01:24:30,320
Speaker 25: a common occurrence up on that part of the world.

1655
01:24:31,560 --> 01:24:34,960
Speaker 25: Everyone's just watching what each nation does, and when we're

1656
01:24:35,000 --> 01:24:37,720
Speaker 25: going through the acclaimed orders, they like to make sure

1657
01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:40,439
Speaker 25: they know what everyone's doing in their patch of order.

1658
01:24:40,720 --> 01:24:42,240
Speaker 2: Were you in the Taiwan Strait.

1659
01:24:43,680 --> 01:24:45,240
Speaker 25: The ship didn't go through the Taiwan straight?

1660
01:24:45,320 --> 01:24:47,200
Speaker 2: Yes, how often do you do that?

1661
01:24:48,640 --> 01:24:50,639
Speaker 25: So we did that on a regular basis, and it's

1662
01:24:50,680 --> 01:24:54,280
Speaker 25: all part of our efforts to uphold the international walls

1663
01:24:54,360 --> 01:24:58,120
Speaker 25: based system, which means that international waters. So we have

1664
01:24:58,240 --> 01:25:00,559
Speaker 25: every right just as anybody else does, to transit through

1665
01:25:00,600 --> 01:25:01,160
Speaker 25: that piece of water.

1666
01:25:01,920 --> 01:25:03,640
Speaker 2: What sort of ships did they have, What sort of

1667
01:25:03,720 --> 01:25:04,760
Speaker 2: capability did they have?

1668
01:25:06,120 --> 01:25:08,919
Speaker 25: Oh, pretty much the same as what we have, frigates

1669
01:25:09,200 --> 01:25:13,640
Speaker 25: and tankers. So whatever ship's available, they will normally what

1670
01:25:13,800 --> 01:25:16,000
Speaker 25: we would say, they will hand over between ships. So

1671
01:25:16,120 --> 01:25:19,639
Speaker 25: even though the number says seven, that's pretty normal because

1672
01:25:20,040 --> 01:25:21,920
Speaker 25: when you look at artie At I having covered four

1673
01:25:22,000 --> 01:25:24,920
Speaker 25: hundred and ten thousand square kilometers, that's a lot of

1674
01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:28,320
Speaker 25: water for one ship to cover alone. So the Chinese

1675
01:25:28,320 --> 01:25:30,320
Speaker 25: would have just been handing over between ships to track

1676
01:25:30,400 --> 01:25:30,760
Speaker 25: her as she.

1677
01:25:30,840 --> 01:25:31,760
Speaker 3: Was in that part of the world.

1678
01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:33,320
Speaker 2: Do you communicate with them at all?

1679
01:25:34,600 --> 01:25:34,800
Speaker 16: Here?

1680
01:25:34,840 --> 01:25:39,479
Speaker 25: We do just on normal open radio over a VHF circuit.

1681
01:25:39,600 --> 01:25:42,760
Speaker 25: We communicate, We let each other know what we're doing,

1682
01:25:43,200 --> 01:25:45,880
Speaker 25: so we keep it all nice and safe and everything

1683
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:49,120
Speaker 25: is respectful between both ships that may be talking to

1684
01:25:49,160 --> 01:25:49,479
Speaker 25: each other.

1685
01:25:49,600 --> 01:25:51,639
Speaker 2: When they first contact you, what do they saying?

1686
01:25:53,439 --> 01:25:56,240
Speaker 25: Oh, they ask us what are we doing? The fact

1687
01:25:56,240 --> 01:25:59,800
Speaker 25: that we're inside Chinese claimed waters, and then we just

1688
01:26:00,120 --> 01:26:04,080
Speaker 25: respond with the usual, which is around it's open water

1689
01:26:04,280 --> 01:26:07,040
Speaker 25: and we have a right to freedom of passage and

1690
01:26:07,120 --> 01:26:08,519
Speaker 25: we're just exercising those rights.

1691
01:26:08,960 --> 01:26:12,760
Speaker 2: Do you see this area of the world escalating or

1692
01:26:13,080 --> 01:26:15,320
Speaker 2: reaching some sort of boiling point? What are you seeing

1693
01:26:15,360 --> 01:26:15,720
Speaker 2: out there?

1694
01:26:17,400 --> 01:26:20,120
Speaker 25: Definitely, what we're seeing is in line with what you

1695
01:26:20,360 --> 01:26:25,200
Speaker 25: read in the media. Things aren't as comfortable as they

1696
01:26:25,280 --> 01:26:27,719
Speaker 25: used to be, so there is a hot and alert

1697
01:26:28,479 --> 01:26:30,439
Speaker 25: I suppose for the ships traveling up there. So we're

1698
01:26:30,520 --> 01:26:33,240
Speaker 25: more aware of what's going on around us, and we're

1699
01:26:33,320 --> 01:26:36,200
Speaker 25: keeping ourselves better informed just so we don't get any

1700
01:26:36,240 --> 01:26:41,240
Speaker 25: cases of miscalculation and we're respecting each other's barriers and boundaries.

1701
01:26:41,439 --> 01:26:43,400
Speaker 2: Have you had any close calls on miscalculation.

1702
01:26:44,680 --> 01:26:45,880
Speaker 3: No, not at all, not at all.

1703
01:26:45,960 --> 01:26:47,919
Speaker 25: Everything we've done has been safe and professional.

1704
01:26:48,320 --> 01:26:49,960
Speaker 2: Are you guys friendly when you chat.

1705
01:26:51,400 --> 01:26:55,000
Speaker 25: Yeah, definitely Mariners of the Sea. English is a common language,

1706
01:26:55,200 --> 01:26:59,280
Speaker 25: so we do communicate and there's certainly that the tone

1707
01:26:59,320 --> 01:27:03,200
Speaker 25: of it is, you know, being friendly and making sure

1708
01:27:03,280 --> 01:27:06,320
Speaker 25: that they are understanding what we're saying and there's no confusion.

1709
01:27:07,240 --> 01:27:09,920
Speaker 2: You're there. I mean the U N the Security Council

1710
01:27:09,960 --> 01:27:13,160
Speaker 2: sanctions against North Korea enforcing those. Have you had any

1711
01:27:14,040 --> 01:27:16,240
Speaker 2: success in that on that front of late.

1712
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:20,519
Speaker 25: Yes, so I said I was last mission. She managed

1713
01:27:20,560 --> 01:27:26,000
Speaker 25: to intercept to illegal transhipment of Alsted cargo. There's not

1714
01:27:26,040 --> 01:27:27,479
Speaker 25: a whole lot we can do up there, but what

1715
01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:30,600
Speaker 25: we can is we can announce out there that what

1716
01:27:30,720 --> 01:27:34,320
Speaker 25: these ships are doing is against U N. Security Council

1717
01:27:34,360 --> 01:27:38,479
Speaker 25: resolutions and that they're breaking the law, and basically that

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01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:40,840
Speaker 25: they are being monitored and we are reporting those illegal

1719
01:27:40,920 --> 01:27:44,200
Speaker 25: transhipment of Allsted cargo to and from the DPRK.

1720
01:27:44,760 --> 01:27:46,800
Speaker 2: But nothing actually happens to them. They just carry on

1721
01:27:46,840 --> 01:27:47,160
Speaker 2: their way.

1722
01:27:48,640 --> 01:27:50,439
Speaker 25: There has been a couple of cases where they have

1723
01:27:50,560 --> 01:27:54,080
Speaker 25: been incepted and some of those ships have been deregistered.

1724
01:27:55,320 --> 01:27:58,000
Speaker 25: But as you know, there's quite a dark fleet out there,

1725
01:27:58,520 --> 01:28:02,080
Speaker 25: so you know, tracking down ownership of those and people

1726
01:28:02,160 --> 01:28:04,480
Speaker 25: actually owning up to that illegal activity.

1727
01:28:04,120 --> 01:28:04,639
Speaker 5: Is quite hard.

1728
01:28:04,800 --> 01:28:06,960
Speaker 2: What's in them? Is it oil or do you not know?

1729
01:28:08,400 --> 01:28:08,519
Speaker 5: Now?

1730
01:28:08,600 --> 01:28:09,280
Speaker 4: A majority of that.

1731
01:28:09,520 --> 01:28:12,960
Speaker 25: It's oil, and it's sort of coming from It's coming

1732
01:28:13,000 --> 01:28:15,920
Speaker 25: from all parts of the world, actually, but it's normally

1733
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:19,439
Speaker 25: it's out of Russia or coming in through out of

1734
01:28:19,520 --> 01:28:21,080
Speaker 25: the Indian Ocean and around.

1735
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Speaker 3: That part of the world.

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Speaker 2: Commodore, I'm fascinated by this area of the world. I

1737
01:28:24,160 --> 01:28:27,200
Speaker 2: spent time living in Beijing and we talk about it

1738
01:28:27,200 --> 01:28:29,719
Speaker 2: a lot on the show. What's it like to actually

1739
01:28:29,800 --> 01:28:30,240
Speaker 2: be there?

1740
01:28:33,080 --> 01:28:35,640
Speaker 25: You know what runs pretty much like what you've probably experienced.

1741
01:28:36,280 --> 01:28:38,800
Speaker 25: You know, we make them out to be all big,

1742
01:28:38,880 --> 01:28:42,200
Speaker 25: bad people, but actually it's a friendly country when you're there,

1743
01:28:42,920 --> 01:28:44,800
Speaker 25: and we do and we have in the past one

1744
01:28:45,040 --> 01:28:48,160
Speaker 25: port visits. I've been there myself. It's a great experience

1745
01:28:48,200 --> 01:28:49,320
Speaker 25: and the people are very friendly.

1746
01:28:50,320 --> 01:28:52,360
Speaker 2: Doesn't sound like we're going to go to war anytime soon?

1747
01:28:54,240 --> 01:28:54,840
Speaker 4: Well I hope not.

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01:28:55,840 --> 01:28:58,360
Speaker 25: No one wants war and we try to do everything

1749
01:28:58,400 --> 01:28:59,400
Speaker 25: to minimize that risk.

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01:28:59,520 --> 01:29:02,080
Speaker 2: Absolutely a commodore. Really appreciate your time tonight. Thank your

1751
01:29:02,120 --> 01:29:06,360
Speaker 2: commodore at Shane Arndil, who's with us from the Navy. Fascinating,

1752
01:29:06,600 --> 01:29:10,639
Speaker 2: just absolutely fascinating. Especially when you consider eighten minutes away

1753
01:29:10,680 --> 01:29:14,080
Speaker 2: from seven, when you consider just how close and tight

1754
01:29:14,200 --> 01:29:16,920
Speaker 2: things are getting between Japanese and the Chinese in the

1755
01:29:17,160 --> 01:29:19,920
Speaker 2: East China Sea. I think I told you about this

1756
01:29:20,040 --> 01:29:21,720
Speaker 2: last night. I can't quite remember if we got to it,

1757
01:29:21,840 --> 01:29:26,000
Speaker 2: but the Japanese have been so Chinese fighter jets are

1758
01:29:26,080 --> 01:29:29,479
Speaker 2: up there, and Japan says that the Chinese fighter jets

1759
01:29:29,560 --> 01:29:33,519
Speaker 2: aimed their radar at the Japanese military aircraft. They say,

1760
01:29:33,520 --> 01:29:35,720
Speaker 2: it's very, very dangerous thing to do. You shouldn't do it.

1761
01:29:36,479 --> 01:29:38,400
Speaker 2: Of course, China denies that they have done that. This

1762
01:29:38,520 --> 01:29:40,880
Speaker 2: is near the Okinawa Islands. There's a whole bunch of

1763
01:29:40,960 --> 01:29:42,240
Speaker 2: islands with this overlapping.

1764
01:29:42,600 --> 01:29:42,720
Speaker 5: You know.

1765
01:29:43,240 --> 01:29:45,360
Speaker 2: One group says that they own it, one country says

1766
01:29:45,439 --> 01:29:48,479
Speaker 2: own other countries as they own it. And that's why

1767
01:29:48,600 --> 01:29:50,640
Speaker 2: you get it, you know. And you have in the

1768
01:29:50,720 --> 01:29:54,599
Speaker 2: middle of all of this the Americans and US saying, well,

1769
01:29:54,920 --> 01:29:58,639
Speaker 2: these are international waters. Some of the areas you're talking about.

1770
01:29:58,760 --> 01:30:00,880
Speaker 2: You guys can can find about it. You can have

1771
01:30:01,040 --> 01:30:03,920
Speaker 2: arguments about it, but they're international waters and we need

1772
01:30:04,040 --> 01:30:06,519
Speaker 2: them for our shipping. We send a lot of our

1773
01:30:06,760 --> 01:30:10,320
Speaker 2: goods to market through these waters. And it's very important

1774
01:30:10,439 --> 01:30:14,400
Speaker 2: for us. You know, if the Taiwan, if they blockaded Taiwan,

1775
01:30:15,160 --> 01:30:18,599
Speaker 2: our economy could collapse because of how much shipping goes

1776
01:30:18,640 --> 01:30:20,519
Speaker 2: through there, how much of our goods go through there.

1777
01:30:20,720 --> 01:30:22,479
Speaker 2: So it's very very important for us to be doing

1778
01:30:22,600 --> 01:30:26,040
Speaker 2: exactly what the the good commodore said, we are doing

1779
01:30:26,200 --> 01:30:28,439
Speaker 2: seventeen to seven Ryan Bridge.

1780
01:30:29,680 --> 01:30:33,439
Speaker 1: Whether it's macro, micro or just plain economics, it's all

1781
01:30:33,680 --> 01:30:37,559
Speaker 1: on the business hours with Ryan Bridge and Mass Motor

1782
01:30:37,680 --> 01:30:38,519
Speaker 1: Vehicle Insurance.

1783
01:30:38,800 --> 01:30:41,439
Speaker 5: Your futures in good hands us talks.

1784
01:30:41,479 --> 01:30:44,320
Speaker 2: That'd be fourteen to seven. Let's go to Endebrady, a

1785
01:30:44,479 --> 01:30:46,680
Speaker 2: UK correspondent. End of good evening, Good morning to.

1786
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Speaker 26: You, Hello Ryan, great to speak to you again, my friend, and.

1787
01:30:50,120 --> 01:30:52,280
Speaker 2: To you now. Starmacy's is close to a deal to

1788
01:30:52,400 --> 01:30:55,400
Speaker 2: unlock two hundred billion euros worth of Russian assets and

1789
01:30:55,640 --> 01:30:57,519
Speaker 2: basically give the money to Ukraine.

1790
01:30:58,600 --> 01:31:01,240
Speaker 26: Yeah, this would be huge, So it may happen by

1791
01:31:01,240 --> 01:31:03,280
Speaker 26: the end of this week, if not early next week.

1792
01:31:03,360 --> 01:31:06,200
Speaker 26: And it's interesting this has all come off the back

1793
01:31:06,280 --> 01:31:10,600
Speaker 26: of having Macron from France in London yesterday. Zelenski was

1794
01:31:10,640 --> 01:31:14,439
Speaker 26: there as well, and Friedrich Martz, the Chancellor of Germany.

1795
01:31:14,800 --> 01:31:16,840
Speaker 26: So Starmer got them all in the room and they

1796
01:31:16,880 --> 01:31:20,040
Speaker 26: were together for about four hours and they hammered hammered

1797
01:31:20,080 --> 01:31:22,920
Speaker 26: out something. And now the morning's newspapers have it that

1798
01:31:23,080 --> 01:31:24,800
Speaker 26: the deal is very very close.

1799
01:31:25,160 --> 01:31:25,280
Speaker 13: Now.

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01:31:25,360 --> 01:31:29,439
Speaker 26: All this money is basically Russian assets that were frozen

1801
01:31:29,520 --> 01:31:33,040
Speaker 26: for nearly four years. Most of it is in financial

1802
01:31:33,120 --> 01:31:36,599
Speaker 26: institutions in Belgium. And the people who have been playing

1803
01:31:36,720 --> 01:31:40,320
Speaker 26: hard ball here on the money front is the Belgians.

1804
01:31:40,760 --> 01:31:43,840
Speaker 26: They're very worried about being legally liable once the war

1805
01:31:44,000 --> 01:31:46,760
Speaker 26: is over and having Russia then coming saying well, hang on,

1806
01:31:46,880 --> 01:31:50,200
Speaker 26: where ceremony we put it in your financial institutions. I

1807
01:31:50,280 --> 01:31:52,519
Speaker 26: don't know how they've got this past the Belgians, but

1808
01:31:52,760 --> 01:31:56,080
Speaker 26: Starmer's government seems to be quite confident that that two

1809
01:31:56,200 --> 01:32:00,479
Speaker 26: hundred billion dollars worth of funding is available and will

1810
01:32:00,520 --> 01:32:02,840
Speaker 26: be going to Ukraine, if not to prolong the war

1811
01:32:03,360 --> 01:32:05,760
Speaker 26: to start the rebuild once peace kicks in.

1812
01:32:06,640 --> 01:32:11,400
Speaker 2: Now as a church Stam has joined TikTok, Yes he has.

1813
01:32:11,640 --> 01:32:15,040
Speaker 26: And this is interesting because his government has told all

1814
01:32:15,160 --> 01:32:18,800
Speaker 26: government employees you cannot have the TikTok app on a

1815
01:32:18,960 --> 01:32:23,120
Speaker 26: UK government mobile phone or device because they've got security

1816
01:32:23,200 --> 01:32:27,880
Speaker 26: concerns about China. So Nevertheless, he needs popularity. And if

1817
01:32:27,960 --> 01:32:30,960
Speaker 26: I were being suspicious here, the next election in four

1818
01:32:31,080 --> 01:32:34,200
Speaker 26: years time, sixteen year olds will be allowed to vote.

1819
01:32:34,640 --> 01:32:36,880
Speaker 26: And I think Stammer's got one eye on the younger

1820
01:32:37,000 --> 01:32:39,200
Speaker 26: generation coming up and not really knowing who he is

1821
01:32:39,320 --> 01:32:41,760
Speaker 26: or what he's about. So I'm not saying we're going

1822
01:32:41,840 --> 01:32:44,200
Speaker 26: to be seeing a dancing here Starmer. He doesn't really

1823
01:32:44,280 --> 01:32:47,519
Speaker 26: do that, if you've noticed. I think it's more about

1824
01:32:47,640 --> 01:32:51,360
Speaker 26: him just appealing to younger voters, getting policy across, maybe

1825
01:32:51,439 --> 01:32:54,400
Speaker 26: just an insight into what working life as a prime

1826
01:32:54,439 --> 01:32:57,040
Speaker 26: minister is. But it's interesting that none of his staff

1827
01:32:57,280 --> 01:33:00,800
Speaker 26: or indeed him, are allowed to have TikTok on mobile phones.

1828
01:33:00,920 --> 01:33:03,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I will give him that. Actually, he's not one

1829
01:33:03,560 --> 01:33:06,240
Speaker 2: to pretend he's not trying to be someone who's not.

1830
01:33:06,760 --> 01:33:10,080
Speaker 2: He's never one to do silly, geffy things.

1831
01:33:11,000 --> 01:33:14,400
Speaker 26: Absolutely not. I think the problem the public have with

1832
01:33:14,560 --> 01:33:17,440
Speaker 26: Kiir Starmer is nobody actually knows what he is now. Politically,

1833
01:33:17,880 --> 01:33:20,639
Speaker 26: we've had fifteen months of him in government and we're

1834
01:33:20,680 --> 01:33:21,280
Speaker 26: none the wiser.

1835
01:33:21,479 --> 01:33:23,160
Speaker 2: He doesn't have ath and matha.

1836
01:33:24,160 --> 01:33:24,320
Speaker 5: Now.

1837
01:33:24,520 --> 01:33:27,880
Speaker 2: Medical leaders urged junior doctors not to go on strike

1838
01:33:28,040 --> 01:33:30,639
Speaker 2: next week. This is because flu cases are going through

1839
01:33:30,680 --> 01:33:31,160
Speaker 2: the roof.

1840
01:33:32,120 --> 01:33:34,920
Speaker 26: Yes, and predicted to get even worse. And would you

1841
01:33:35,000 --> 01:33:37,840
Speaker 26: believe it, the junior doctors and their leaders, they've got together.

1842
01:33:38,080 --> 01:33:41,640
Speaker 26: This has been agreed five days of strikes starting at

1843
01:33:41,720 --> 01:33:45,840
Speaker 26: seven am on the twenty to seventeenth of December, for

1844
01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:49,799
Speaker 26: five days until December twenty second. Now all the medical

1845
01:33:49,880 --> 01:33:52,280
Speaker 26: leaders are saying, look, we've supported you up until now,

1846
01:33:52,320 --> 01:33:55,360
Speaker 26: but this is categorically the wrong thing to do. They've

1847
01:33:55,360 --> 01:33:57,680
Speaker 26: got a big bump and pay. A year ago when

1848
01:33:57,720 --> 01:34:01,000
Speaker 26: Starmar's government came in and critics said, look, you've made

1849
01:34:01,040 --> 01:34:03,120
Speaker 26: a rod for your all back here because my words

1850
01:34:03,160 --> 01:34:05,600
Speaker 26: twelve months time, they'll last for more. And that is

1851
01:34:05,720 --> 01:34:09,280
Speaker 26: exactly what's happened. There's also arow over opportunities and training,

1852
01:34:09,360 --> 01:34:12,600
Speaker 26: but it's mostly about pay and conditions. And as it

1853
01:34:12,720 --> 01:34:15,920
Speaker 26: stands right now, they are defying all advice and they're

1854
01:34:15,960 --> 01:34:18,200
Speaker 26: going to go out on strike as of next Wednesday,

1855
01:34:18,640 --> 01:34:22,200
Speaker 26: four or five days. But flu is raging across the country,

1856
01:34:23,120 --> 01:34:25,320
Speaker 26: a lot of people really struggling, A and E rooms

1857
01:34:25,360 --> 01:34:29,519
Speaker 26: really busy, and yeah, the junior doctors could make themselves

1858
01:34:29,600 --> 01:34:29,960
Speaker 26: the grinch.

1859
01:34:30,040 --> 01:34:32,519
Speaker 2: This Christmas sounds like, inda, thank you for that into

1860
01:34:32,560 --> 01:34:35,880
Speaker 2: Brady how you can't Correspondent time is ten to seven

1861
01:34:35,960 --> 01:34:36,679
Speaker 2: News Talk ZIBB.

1862
01:34:37,920 --> 01:34:41,360
Speaker 1: It's the hitherto see Alan Drive Full Show podcast on

1863
01:34:41,600 --> 01:34:43,879
Speaker 1: iHeartRadio powered by News Talk.

1864
01:34:43,800 --> 01:34:46,840
Speaker 2: ZIBB Height seven on News Talks Big. Great to have

1865
01:34:46,920 --> 01:34:49,240
Speaker 2: your company tonight. The poll last night will be I mean,

1866
01:34:49,439 --> 01:34:51,760
Speaker 2: they'll be very very happy with that, as I said

1867
01:34:51,800 --> 01:34:55,759
Speaker 2: last night, and the National Party caucus, not least because

1868
01:34:55,800 --> 01:34:58,920
Speaker 2: of the result for Luxon, but also for the party

1869
01:34:59,080 --> 01:35:02,439
Speaker 2: the coalition. And then also the question which I didn't

1870
01:35:02,479 --> 01:35:04,200
Speaker 2: have in front of me last night, but I have

1871
01:35:04,320 --> 01:35:06,720
Speaker 2: since had a look at around the economy and you know,

1872
01:35:06,880 --> 01:35:09,120
Speaker 2: is it turning? And the sentiment seems to be turning.

1873
01:35:09,400 --> 01:35:11,760
Speaker 2: Because always the best determinant of who will win the

1874
01:35:11,840 --> 01:35:14,759
Speaker 2: next election is right track rom track. Is the country

1875
01:35:14,800 --> 01:35:17,439
Speaker 2: on the right track. If the answer is mostly yes,

1876
01:35:17,720 --> 01:35:20,880
Speaker 2: then you will continue, your incumbent will stay in power.

1877
01:35:21,439 --> 01:35:24,960
Speaker 2: If the country the vote is say not, then normally

1878
01:35:25,040 --> 01:35:28,840
Speaker 2: your switch governments. Now, what is not doing very well

1879
01:35:28,880 --> 01:35:31,840
Speaker 2: and what's imploding, and that's obvious to anyone even a

1880
01:35:31,920 --> 01:35:35,160
Speaker 2: cursory glance is to party molding. They were down to

1881
01:35:35,280 --> 01:35:39,160
Speaker 2: one percent and Debbie Nadu were Packer and RWDIYTT just

1882
01:35:39,200 --> 01:35:41,880
Speaker 2: looked completely out to see it. On this they were

1883
01:35:41,920 --> 01:35:44,719
Speaker 2: asked today, you know, what do you think of the poll?

1884
01:35:44,920 --> 01:35:47,479
Speaker 2: How are you feeling about it? And they said, we're growing.

1885
01:35:47,600 --> 01:35:52,439
Speaker 2: I mean you're literally not. Your vote dropped two percent

1886
01:35:52,680 --> 01:35:57,439
Speaker 2: to one percent. That's not growing, that's shrinking anyway, this

1887
01:35:57,560 --> 01:36:01,839
Speaker 2: is what they said. Debbie said, I guess it. Everyone's

1888
01:36:01,880 --> 01:36:04,080
Speaker 2: saying it's not looking great at the moment. But that's

1889
01:36:04,120 --> 01:36:07,559
Speaker 2: because we're a party of maturity. We're growing, We're going

1890
01:36:07,600 --> 01:36:09,679
Speaker 2: to have We're going to be having these growing pains

1891
01:36:09,880 --> 01:36:12,160
Speaker 2: and that's not too different to any other party that's

1892
01:36:12,200 --> 01:36:15,240
Speaker 2: been in government. Well you're not in government. That's the problem,

1893
01:36:15,479 --> 01:36:18,479
Speaker 2: and you never will be. And until you face the reality,

1894
01:36:18,600 --> 01:36:20,639
Speaker 2: like remember when they had just a couple of weeks

1895
01:36:20,680 --> 01:36:24,960
Speaker 2: ago they had that reset. What a disastrous reset. If

1896
01:36:25,000 --> 01:36:29,479
Speaker 2: the reset was self implosion and end of days, they

1897
01:36:29,560 --> 01:36:33,040
Speaker 2: have succeeded, but I don't think that was the goal anyway.

1898
01:36:33,360 --> 01:36:36,080
Speaker 2: They're going to have to what the first step to,

1899
01:36:36,840 --> 01:36:39,880
Speaker 2: you know, getting yourself to a better place's acceptance. And

1900
01:36:39,960 --> 01:36:42,639
Speaker 2: they haven't accepted that they have done anything wrong yet.

1901
01:36:42,680 --> 01:36:45,200
Speaker 2: And that is the problem with departy. Malori and it's

1902
01:36:45,240 --> 01:36:46,400
Speaker 2: what are we going out to tonight?

1903
01:36:48,439 --> 01:36:51,600
Speaker 27: This is written in the stars by Tiny Temper. This

1904
01:36:51,840 --> 01:36:54,120
Speaker 27: was a really really big hits back in twenty ten,

1905
01:36:54,360 --> 01:36:58,200
Speaker 27: and unfortunately for Tiny Temper, he hasn't really had another

1906
01:36:58,320 --> 01:37:00,960
Speaker 27: hit since then that has gotten quite as big.

1907
01:37:02,640 --> 01:37:02,920
Speaker 5: He had.

1908
01:37:03,000 --> 01:37:04,479
Speaker 27: He had a couple of middling ones, but you know,

1909
01:37:04,520 --> 01:37:06,599
Speaker 27: he's kind of fallen into obscurity. So you may be wondering,

1910
01:37:06,840 --> 01:37:09,280
Speaker 27: Tiny Temper, that promising rapper from twenty ten, what's he

1911
01:37:09,360 --> 01:37:11,639
Speaker 27: been up to. Well, he's done an interview recently where

1912
01:37:11,640 --> 01:37:13,640
Speaker 27: he's talked about a new hobby that he's taken up

1913
01:37:13,680 --> 01:37:17,519
Speaker 27: in the last six years, Brazilian jiu jitsu, and apparently

1914
01:37:17,600 --> 01:37:20,439
Speaker 27: he's not too bad at it. He's he's a purple belt,

1915
01:37:21,240 --> 01:37:23,439
Speaker 27: which is like the middle one that's the intermediate raking.

1916
01:37:23,520 --> 01:37:25,920
Speaker 27: So he's now qualified enough that he can start teaching

1917
01:37:26,000 --> 01:37:28,760
Speaker 27: young to people Brazilian jiu jitsu, and I think he's

1918
01:37:28,840 --> 01:37:31,080
Speaker 27: two belts off the black belt, and he says he

1919
01:37:31,080 --> 01:37:33,960
Speaker 27: absolutely loves it, thinks any martial arts discipline is great

1920
01:37:34,000 --> 01:37:36,559
Speaker 27: for your mind, your body, your soul, and your mental health.

1921
01:37:36,600 --> 01:37:38,720
Speaker 27: So good on your Tiny Temper reinventing himself. He is

1922
01:37:38,760 --> 01:37:41,800
Speaker 27: still touring as well and playing festival. So maybe maybe

1923
01:37:41,840 --> 01:37:43,680
Speaker 27: the sort of the discipline and the meditation will bring

1924
01:37:43,760 --> 01:37:45,760
Speaker 27: him another more success on the chase.

1925
01:37:46,080 --> 01:37:47,960
Speaker 2: Because I know his name, but I couldn't tell you

1926
01:37:48,040 --> 01:37:49,320
Speaker 2: any of his songs.

1927
01:37:50,439 --> 01:37:52,720
Speaker 27: Yeah, this one that I really like.

1928
01:37:52,800 --> 01:37:54,080
Speaker 2: This one back in the day. I think most people

1929
01:37:54,080 --> 01:37:54,960
Speaker 2: will probably recognize it.

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Speaker 27: But yeah, I'd struggle to put another one in front

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Speaker 27: of somebody in raps and recognize it.

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Speaker 2: Nice. And there's always room to do something else, isn't

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Speaker 2: there always a room to pivot your news? Talk to you, bait.

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Speaker 5: It is five to seven, Bryan Bridge.

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Speaker 2: It is four minutes away from seven now on News

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Speaker 2: Talks dB. That was Tiny Temper who was playing us

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Speaker 2: out this evening that we'll be back tomorrow of course

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Speaker 2: with the more now just before we go. I had

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Speaker 2: a text earlier which I didn't get to, and the

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Speaker 2: gist of it was this was about the ACC working

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Speaker 2: from home situation. It was from a lawyer who works

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Speaker 2: with ACC said, this idea that you do not lose

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Speaker 2: productivity by having people working from home is an absolute nonsense.

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Speaker 2: This person and I read the text was very long text,

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Speaker 2: but I read it during the break. This person deals

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Speaker 2: with ACC on a daily basis. They said, it is

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Speaker 2: absolutely noticeable pre change to post change. Working from home

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Speaker 2: definitely affects productivity. So that you go, We'll keep you

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Speaker 2: up to date with that story as it develops. Tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: News talks 'b C tomorrow.

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