1 00:00:01,160 --> 00:00:05,400 Speaker 1: The issues, the interviews and the inside. Francesca Ruggin on 2 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:08,559 Speaker 1: earlier is show with one roof Love where You Live 3 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:10,120 Speaker 1: News Talk said. 4 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 2: Be good morning, Welcome to early edition. I'm Francisca Budkin 5 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 2: filling in for d Ryan who was on Drive this week. 6 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 2: Welcome to Wednesday. Great to have you with us. You're 7 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:22,080 Speaker 2: most welcome to contact me anytime this morning. You can 8 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 2: flicker text on ninety two ninety two where you can 9 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 2: email me at Francesca at newstalksb dot co dot NZ. 10 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 2: On the show today, Retail New Zealand and business chambers 11 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 2: want the credit cards. Surcharges decision reversed, we find out why, 12 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 2: we look at the new mood of the boardroom survey 13 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 2: out today, and before the end of the hour, we 14 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 2: find out what HOSPO thinks of the Holidays Act Overhaul. 15 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 3: The agenda. 16 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 2: It's Wednesday, the twenty fourth of September. Trump's been giving 17 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 2: a speech to the UN General Assembly firing shops at Europe. 18 00:00:54,760 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 4: Sine period of your seven months, I have ended seven wars. 19 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 4: They said they were unendable and sadly in all cases 20 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:08,399 Speaker 4: the United Nations did not even try to help in 21 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:11,760 Speaker 4: any of them. I ended seven. 22 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:14,400 Speaker 5: Wars, dealt with the leaders of each and every one 23 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 5: of these countries, and never even received a phone call 24 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 5: from the United Nations offering to help in finalizing the deal. 25 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 2: Meanwhile, France has formally recognized a Palestinian state. 26 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 6: We must do everything within our power to preserve the 27 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 6: very possibility of a two state solution, Israel and Palestine 28 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 6: living side by side in peace and security. 29 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 2: Kamala Harris has given her first interview since losing to Trump. 30 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 2: She's partially blamed herself for the election defeat. 31 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 7: When I talk about the recklessness as much as anything, 32 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 7: I'm talking about myself. There was so much as weena 33 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 7: at stake, and as I write, you know where my 34 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 7: head was at at the time is that it would 35 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 7: be completely it would come off as being completely self serving. 36 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 2: If you said to President Biden if you did not 37 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 2: think you should run again. 38 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 7: Yeah, or even though he should question whether it's a 39 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 7: good idea. 40 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 2: And finally, Jimmy Kimmel is getting his show back on 41 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 2: air after a short suspension. Disney pulled him for jokes 42 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 2: about Charlie Kirk's death. 43 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 8: They say that the comments last week were ill timed. 44 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 8: They were insensitive, but they've had these conversations with Jimmy 45 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:34,919 Speaker 8: Kimmel and the show will return on Tuesday. This may 46 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 8: be the end of this particular episode, but it does 47 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 8: not bring an end to this really febrile debate in 48 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 8: the United States over free speech. 49 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 2: And that's the agenda on. 50 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 1: Your radio and online on iHeartRadio Early Edition with Francesca 51 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 1: Rutkin and One roof Love where you Live News Talks'd be. 52 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 2: Well, it really is construction week. So we've done the hospitals, 53 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:02,079 Speaker 2: we've done schools yesterday, and we moved on to housing 54 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 2: for our defense force. MP Chris Penk released a press 55 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 2: release just reminding us that the largest defense housing project 56 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 2: in decades is officially underway. The government intends to invest 57 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 2: up to six hundred million in decent homes for our 58 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 2: military personnel. Look, much of this work has started, much 59 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 2: of it has already been announced, So this was purely 60 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 2: a marketing exercise to remind us how much the government 61 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 2: is investing in construction and creating jobs in his projects 62 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 2: in the pipeline. If you take a look at the 63 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 2: New Zealand Herald Mood for the Boardroom survey out today, 64 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 2: you can see why the government is doing their best 65 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 2: to inject some positivity. CEOs have ranked the performance of 66 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 2: cabinet ministers and others outside the cabinet. You get a 67 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 2: ranking out of five. One is not impressive, five is 68 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 2: very impressive. Chris Pink got a three point one point 69 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 2: eight for building and construction. It's not too bad, So 70 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 2: he came in at tenth. It'll be absolutely no surprise 71 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 2: who is at the top of the list. Erica Stanford, 72 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 2: of course is in the number one spot. She got 73 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 2: four point three eight. This is the top ten. She 74 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 2: was then followed by Winston Peters, Foreign Affairs, Chris Bishop, Infrastructure, 75 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 2: Todd McLay, Trade, Mark Mitchell, Police, Simeon Brown, Health, Judih Collins, Defense, 76 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 2: Brook van Dervelden workplace Relations, Shane Jones regional Development, and 77 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 2: number ten Chris Pink. Now you will notice something else 78 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:23,160 Speaker 2: about that list, and that is there is no prime 79 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:27,280 Speaker 2: minister or finance minister. Nichola Willis came in at thirteenth 80 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:29,839 Speaker 2: and Christopher Luxon came in at fifteenth, and I don't 81 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 2: think either of them will be happy about that. Francisco, 82 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 2: So what do you think of those rankings? I think 83 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 2: the top ten sounds about right. These are all ministers 84 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:42,280 Speaker 2: who are getting things done, or at least seem to 85 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 2: be getting things done. This is not a good result 86 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 2: for the prime minister. He was at sixth last year. 87 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 2: CEOs are pretty happy with his performance on the world stage. 88 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 2: They think he's doing good things for New Zealand overseas 89 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 2: and that aspect. They also like the fact that he 90 00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 2: keeps cabinet colleagues focused on delivery, but when it comes 91 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 2: to other domestic issues they're not so strong in him. 92 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 2: He got a two point sixty three ranking for leads 93 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 2: and developed delivers on transformative change and a two point 94 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 2: seventy six for political performance as Prime Minister. So keen 95 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 2: to hear from you what you think about that. I 96 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 2: think moment it kind of does some things up quite nicely. 97 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:25,840 Speaker 2: Shortly we are going to take a closer look at 98 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 2: what our business leaders want to see from the government. 99 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 2: But up next we're going to talk the surcharge man. 100 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 2: It is top Us five you with news Talks at. 101 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: B Views and Views you Trust to start your day. 102 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 1: It's early edition with Francesca Rudkin and one roof Love 103 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:43,039 Speaker 1: where you Live News Talks. 104 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 2: That'd be fourteen past five New Zealand's top business leaders 105 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 2: are pushing back on changes to credit cards, surcharges, retail 106 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 2: New Zealand and business chambers across the country have penned 107 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 2: an open letter to Commerce Minister Scott Simpson. They're urging 108 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 2: him to reverse plans that would ban businesses from passing 109 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 2: on credit card fees. They say it will lead to 110 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:07,159 Speaker 2: unintended consequences for business owners. Leah mccairo, the CEO of 111 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 2: North Chamber and one of the signatories, joins me, Now, 112 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 2: good morningly, thanks for your time, Cat Madier. What have 113 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:18,039 Speaker 2: businesses said to you about the band? How dire are 114 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:20,039 Speaker 2: the consequences that we're looking at here? 115 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 9: Well, look, the band comes into effect next May. So 116 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:28,919 Speaker 9: while I haven't heard necessarily a lot specifically from the businesses, 117 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 9: but we do know that any cost that's occurred by 118 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 9: them is going to actually affect them quite greatly to 119 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 9: far at the moment, So there is concern that these 120 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 9: mountain costs are going to have quite an impact on them. 121 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 2: Is the issue that small rural businesses are going to 122 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 2: be subsidizing us big city payWave addicted consumers. 123 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 9: Well, you know, you're right, It does depend on this 124 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 9: the way that people pay, and obviously it's the credit 125 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 9: cards that are incurring the costs. We've got to remember 126 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 9: that the credit card companies and the banks are the 127 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:01,839 Speaker 9: ones that actually set these fees. And there is already 128 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 9: a regulation in place that that businesses can't charge more 129 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:08,920 Speaker 9: than they are being charged. But yes, it is going 130 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 9: to be those smaller, those companies that take the money. 131 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 9: They're not going to incur the cost in the first place, 132 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 9: so it won't matter too much to them. 133 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 2: Okay, was this an unintended consequence? Do you think? Do 134 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 2: you think that the minister knew that this would kind 135 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 2: of happen as a result of the law change. 136 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 9: Look, I think so. I mean she has suggested that 137 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 9: that businesses treat it to treat that like any other 138 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 9: price increase, in that they just put it on top 139 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 9: of the costs. But that means that every consumer is 140 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 9: going to be impacted by that, not just so as 141 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 9: deciding to use pay label credit cards, and that seems 142 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 9: a little unfair for every consumer. 143 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 2: Before the ban, small businesses were charging increasing, charging more 144 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 2: and more for payWave. What's going to stop them from 145 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 2: doing that again? If the charges are scraped. 146 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 9: Well, I think That's what we're audjesting is rather than 147 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 9: scrapping them or or making it that small business is 148 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 9: not able to on charge it, that they put in 149 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 9: a restriction around that. There is already, as I said, 150 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 9: a requirement to actually charge no more than that being charged. 151 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 9: But surely we can do that and then have some 152 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 9: sort of consumer line that actually identifies those businesses that 153 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 9: may well be trying to buck the system and make 154 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 9: money out of it. That's not the point. The point 155 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 9: is that these small businesses are the ones that are 156 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:32,439 Speaker 9: now going to be incurring these costs. What are they 157 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 9: to do? 158 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 2: Leah, On a completely different note, I believe the Northland 159 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 2: Monopoly game has just arrived and Dargaville is upset they 160 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 2: got the brown spaces. 161 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 9: Well, I think that there was some concern. That was 162 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:49,839 Speaker 9: the first question I got, asked, who's the brown spaces? 163 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 9: And I think we need to think about where could 164 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:55,680 Speaker 9: I actually purchase a property when I'm just entering on 165 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 9: the ladder, and I reckon Dargaville is just the place 166 00:08:58,679 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 9: for people. 167 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:01,679 Speaker 2: Who got the gorgeous who's got the blue properties? 168 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:04,959 Speaker 9: Oh? Look, do you know? At a top of mind, 169 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 9: I cannot recall, but it is absolutely beautiful and it's 170 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:13,560 Speaker 9: Lands and Punaray this morning. So we're going down to 171 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 9: open the container and it's pretty special. 172 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 2: Actually, oh brilliant, brilliant. Enjoy that. Thank you so much, Lea. 173 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 2: Appreciate that that was thea Macaro there for the CEO 174 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 2: of mid Chamber and one of those signatories. Okay, up next, 175 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:30,079 Speaker 2: we're going to talk about the mood of the boardroom. 176 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 2: It is seventeen past five. 177 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 1: The news you need this morning and the in depth 178 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 1: analysis early edition with Francesca Rudkin and One Room Love 179 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 1: where you live News Talks at me. 180 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:45,200 Speaker 2: It's twenty past five, right, we've got the Herald's mood 181 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 2: of the boardroom and in a word, it's grim. Our 182 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 2: business leaders are calling for more bipartisanship when it comes 183 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 2: to tax, retirement and the long term outlook for New Zealand. 184 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 2: A big talking point was Trump's tariffs, with CEO's confidence 185 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 2: plummeting in light of the presidents of Vergeon to free trade. 186 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 2: Roger Patridge is the co founder and chair of the 187 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 2: New Zealand Initiative and he joins me now, good morning Roger, 188 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 2: thanks for your time. 189 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 3: Good morning Francesca. 190 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 2: So you could describe the mood of the boardroom in 191 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:12,679 Speaker 2: one word, what would it be? 192 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 3: Well, I think grim is quite a good word. Troubled. 193 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 3: Everybody's aware the economies struggling, cost of livings high, and 194 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 3: the business communities looking for a clear direction from the 195 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 3: government and not feeling that they're quite delivering. 196 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 2: There's pretty much unanimous agreement that the economy isn't taking 197 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 2: off in the ways that we will promised. What are 198 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 2: those key issues holding us back? 199 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:42,439 Speaker 3: Well, one of the big issues is the extent of 200 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:46,680 Speaker 3: government spending. That's meant that it's taken longer for interest 201 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 3: rates to come down, and with interest rates high, productive 202 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 3: activity has not rebounded them the way you'd hope after 203 00:10:56,800 --> 00:11:02,559 Speaker 3: a recession. I think the government under estimated the extent 204 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 3: of the problem they inherited from the last government and 205 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 3: underestimated how much pain it was going to take and 206 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 3: cause to firms, workers and consumers. Probably should have managed 207 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 3: expectations better on how long it was going to take 208 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 3: to turn things around. 209 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 2: You've called for bipartisanship on our economic future. What's stopping 210 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 2: this progress? Is it the fringe parties? 211 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 9: No? 212 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 3: I think news it's worth We're always tempted to think 213 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 3: about what divides us politically, but it's worth thinking a 214 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 3: bit about how much we agree on and trying to 215 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 3: broaden the scope when you step back and think about 216 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 3: the issues that aren't subject to political flip flops every 217 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 3: time there's an election. Who we've got by partisanship on 218 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:54,439 Speaker 3: free trade, on an independent foreign policy. We've had by 219 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 3: partisanship and probably still do. On the need for a 220 00:11:57,080 --> 00:12:01,319 Speaker 3: broad based tax system with a clean GST. We don't 221 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 3: have a successive governments tinkling this talk of it every now, 222 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 3: and they're not tinkering with our GSD, but it's the 223 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 3: envy of the world. It's a very efficient tax. We've 224 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 3: had cross party support for more than three decades on 225 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 3: treaty settlements and cross party support on climate change. So 226 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 3: there's a lot that unites us, and I think that's 227 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 3: a strength of our political system. One of the challenges 228 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 3: is to broaden that out. We've had bipartisan support for 229 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 3: a prudent fiscal policy and low levels of debt, keeping 230 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 3: debt at around twenty percent of GST at our GDP, 231 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 3: and that lasted until the pandemic, and then the training 232 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:43,080 Speaker 3: wheels came off. The spending constraints came off with both parties. 233 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 3: So I think we should think about the important areas 234 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 3: where we can agree politically on issues like retirement savings, infrastructure, pipeline. 235 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 3: There are a whole host of policy areas just crying 236 00:12:58,920 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 3: out for certainty. 237 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 2: A lot of feedback about Trump's tariffs and the impact 238 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 2: that's had on confidence. Trump did what he said he 239 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 2: was going to do. Should we have been more prepared 240 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 2: for the reality of these tariffs? 241 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 3: I think people were misled globally about what Trump term 242 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:16,839 Speaker 3: two was going to look like. Trump said an awful 243 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 3: lot of things before term one, which he didn't do, 244 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 3: and I think people thought he might have been messing 245 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 3: with America and the world more than he actually was. 246 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 3: All Right, so we weren't alone in not taking what 247 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:36,199 Speaker 3: he said at face value. 248 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 2: There we go and really quickly, Roger, do you think 249 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:39,839 Speaker 2: the Prime Minister will be happy with his ranking? 250 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 3: He won't be happy. No, it's for him. It's definitely 251 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:46,359 Speaker 3: work in progress. 252 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:48,839 Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Really appreciate your time this morning. 253 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:51,959 Speaker 2: That was Roger Partridge. It is twenty four past. 254 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:55,839 Speaker 1: Five the early edition Full The Show podcast on iHeartRadio, 255 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 1: powered by Newstalks at Me. 256 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 2: Righty home. I didn't really want to touch on this yesterday. 257 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 2: I really hope the story about President Trump coming out 258 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 2: and declaring that pregnant mothers taking paracetamol was the cause 259 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:11,079 Speaker 2: of autism would just die quick death in the news, 260 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 2: but it made an impact. As you may have seen, 261 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 2: comments like Trump's are hugely frustrating and unhelpful. They cause 262 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 2: concern among expectant mothers about the use of paracetamol, and, 263 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 2: as stated by the New Zealand College of Midwives yesterday, 264 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 2: high quality scientific evidence does not demonstrate a causal link 265 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 2: or association between paracetamol use and autism or other development concerns. 266 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 2: Large high quality studies, including population data from Sweden involving 267 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 2: over two million children, found no increased risk of autism, 268 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 2: ADHD or intellectual disability from paracetamol use during pregnancy. You 269 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 2: could also ask mothers of autistic children, the ones I 270 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 2: know are scratching their heads because they didn't use paracetamol 271 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 2: when pregnant. Please, if you're a pregnant mum out there, 272 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 2: follow their vus of your doctor, not a politician. Reputable 273 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 2: clinicians and researchers have been working for DEAs kids to 274 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 2: understand this complex neurodevelopmental syndrome, and the widely held view 275 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 2: of researches is that there is no single cause. Rather, 276 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 2: it is thought to be the result of a complex 277 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 2: mix of mostly genetic and to a lesser extent, environmental factors. 278 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 2: When you have autism in the family, you don't think 279 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 2: about cure or cause. You're focused on helping that person 280 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 2: live their best life, and they can live a great life. 281 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 2: The rise in reported autism cases is not a horrible 282 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 2: crisis as Trump has described it. There is a simple 283 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 2: reason why the number of cases has increased, and it's 284 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 2: not because of vaccines, but rather the result of changes 285 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 2: in the way autism is defined and assessed. In the 286 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 2: nineteen eighties, autism was tightly defined and considered extremely rare. 287 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 2: Then Asperger's syndrome, which is much milder in severity than 288 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 2: classic autism and much more common, was added as a diagnosis, 289 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 2: and then in twenty thirteen, Asperger syndrome was eliminated as 290 00:15:56,720 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 2: a standalone diagnosis and folded into the newly introduced concept 291 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 2: of autism spectrum disorder. Hence, an increase in diagnosis is 292 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 2: under that one umbrella. That and more general awareness of 293 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 2: ASD has led to more people getting themselves all their 294 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 2: children assessed. And yes, the difficulty of diagnosing autism can 295 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 2: lead to misdiagnosis as well, But implying autism is something 296 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 2: to fear, something that needs to be raised, is offensive. Yes, 297 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 2: there are high support need cases which are hugely challenging 298 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 2: for families, and yes, living with the disability in a 299 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 2: world that isn't designed for you is difficult. But with support, 300 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 2: autistic people live productive, interesting and rich lives and quite frankly, 301 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 2: the world would be much less without them. 302 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 1: Franchise good. 303 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 2: So I've had Massay, I've got that off my chest 304 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 2: and it makes me feel a little bit better. There 305 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 2: we go. Hey, just going back to the mood of 306 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 2: the boardroom that we were talking about. I thought what 307 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 2: was really interesting here was the impact of terrorists, tariffs 308 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:05,160 Speaker 2: and geopolitical issues on businesses. It's very, very much at 309 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 2: the front of mind. Maybe Nikola willis who I thought, 310 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 2: you know, she was trying to keep things in perspective 311 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 2: when she said, look, it's not great news. It's a 312 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:16,439 Speaker 2: bit disappointing, but it represents only a fraction of New 313 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 2: Zealand's overall trade. Maybe we were a bit caught out 314 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 2: around this, Maybe that approach should have been a little 315 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 2: bit Maybe we should have just been a little bit 316 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 2: more proactive and on that. Anyway, keen to get your thoughts, 317 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:29,680 Speaker 2: you mightst to Welcome to Text ninety two ninety. 318 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 1: Two the first Word on the News of the Day, 319 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:41,920 Speaker 1: earlier edition with Francesca Rudgin and one roof love where 320 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 1: you live. News Talks, that'd be. 321 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 8: I want to. 322 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 10: Everybody wants one. 323 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 2: This is early edition on news Talks. There'd be I'm 324 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:59,919 Speaker 2: Francisco Rudkin filling in for Ryan who is on drive today. 325 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 2: Thanks for being with us. In the next half hours, 326 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:04,120 Speaker 2: so we're going to head to Europe. You've probably heard 327 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 2: about those drones that stopped flights at Copenhagen and Oslo 328 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 2: airports about twenty four hours ago. Twenty thousand passengers were 329 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:13,359 Speaker 2: affected in Copenhagen alone, while it has now thought that 330 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:16,119 Speaker 2: the Russians are involved. So Gavin Gray with the latest 331 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 2: on this and the Holidays Act was overhauled. 332 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:19,640 Speaker 4: Well. 333 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 2: The overhaul announcement was made yesterday and it looks like 334 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:24,880 Speaker 2: a pretty balanced approach. Good to see a simpler plan 335 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 2: and action. Shame it takes so long to reprogram software 336 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 2: to make it happen though, right, no fast tracking here, 337 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 2: but before the end of the hour, we're going to 338 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:35,199 Speaker 2: find out how these changes, presuming the legislation has passed, 339 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 2: will affect the hospo industry. Hey, thank you very much 340 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 2: for your feedback, Francesca. Christopher Luxen is having to use 341 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:45,920 Speaker 2: tough love, which hurts but is necessary to get back 342 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:48,919 Speaker 2: on track. The problem lays directly at the feet of 343 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 2: the Labor government, leaving the cupboard completely bare. We're talking 344 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 2: about the mood of the boardroom and how the CEOs 345 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:58,200 Speaker 2: are feeling about the government's performance. Another text here, I've 346 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:00,879 Speaker 2: been a National supporter all my life. Ome Minister Christopher 347 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 2: Luxon is in my opinion, the worst National prime minister 348 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 2: of all times, so you might not be surprised he came. 349 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 2: He ranked fifteenth and Frantisca, that survey means nothing. Luxen 350 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:15,160 Speaker 2: is the strong glue holding a three party coalition together 351 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:18,680 Speaker 2: and allowing his ministers to concentrate on their portfolios. Fifteen 352 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:21,880 Speaker 2: is better than having Hipkins and co wrecking our country 353 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 2: for a second time. So thanks so much for the feedback. 354 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:26,919 Speaker 2: You can keep that coming. You can text on ninety 355 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 2: two to ninety two. It is twenty one two six. 356 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 1: Francisco and we are going to. 357 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 2: Head around the country now and joining me from Dunedin 358 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 2: as Callum Proctor. Good morning, Callum morning. 359 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 7: Right. 360 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 2: PACIFICA workers in Oamaru are future proofing their careers. 361 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 10: Yeah, this is right. This is of course set against 362 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:52,199 Speaker 10: the backdrop of economic uncertainty impacting primary industries and so 363 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 10: a training initiative has been launched, an amoro called Project Fairtoo, 364 00:19:57,119 --> 00:20:00,400 Speaker 10: aimed at PACIFICA factory workers. It's a free the nz 365 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:05,080 Speaker 10: QA accredited course and it's designed to upskill these workers 366 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 10: in numerousy and literacy to help them secure employment if 367 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 10: local jobs are cut. Omaru has one of the country's 368 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:15,120 Speaker 10: fastest growing Pacific populations by demographic and its workers live 369 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 10: more than an hour away from any type of formal education. 370 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 10: Our Pacific Workforce Development Manager Fred Leutua says the upskilling 371 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 10: of the Pacific workforce is vital for New Zealand's economy 372 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:27,919 Speaker 10: and it's hoped that this pilot will inspire similar models 373 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:28,880 Speaker 10: across New Zealand. 374 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 2: How's your weather today, Callum. 375 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 10: Morning, cloud clears to a fine day today. 376 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 11: The high seventeen. 377 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:37,440 Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Claire Sherwood is in christ Church. 378 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:41,439 Speaker 2: Good morning, Claire, good morning. Okay, so there's some concern 379 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 2: that christ Church Hospital might not be able to cope 380 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 2: if there was a mass casualty event. 381 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:49,160 Speaker 12: Yeah, this is really concerning, Francesca. We've had doctors saying 382 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 12: that patients are dying. Hospital staff are also seriously affected 383 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:56,879 Speaker 12: by some daily code reds that are happening, particularly in 384 00:20:56,920 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 12: the ED department of Christchurch Hospital, but also hospital wide. 385 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 12: We know that patients have been in a case of 386 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 12: standing room only in the ED department in recent days. 387 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:09,879 Speaker 12: Some patients are being treated in corridors. Some are waiting 388 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 12: more than twenty four hours to even be seen when 389 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 12: the target is six. Now, Senior doctor Dominant flee Share 390 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:17,879 Speaker 12: is one of the ones who's lifting the lid on 391 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 12: the situation there. He says that he personally worked through 392 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 12: the christ earthquakes and the Mosk attacks and he knows 393 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 12: that they wouldn't be able to cope with an event 394 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 12: like that now with the way things are. He says, 395 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 12: the ED during those times did have spere beds, but 396 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,440 Speaker 12: now they're not just at one hundred percent, but they're 397 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 12: beyond that, so undoubtedly the hospital would not be able 398 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 12: to perform to those levels. 399 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:42,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, that is concerning Claire. How's your weather today? 400 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:45,159 Speaker 12: Some low cloud and fog possible to start, but then 401 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 12: should clear to find northwesterlies and a hive nineteen. 402 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:50,719 Speaker 2: Thank you Claire, Max Toller's and Wellington for us. 403 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 11: Good morning, Max, Good morning. 404 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 2: So the outgoing mayor has changed her ambitions, got some 405 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:55,680 Speaker 2: new plans. 406 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 11: Yeah, curious interview by our newsroom with Tory Farno in 407 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:02,200 Speaker 11: The Herald this morning. It's been a tumultuous term for her, 408 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:05,400 Speaker 11: to say the least, and while she has previously said 409 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:07,919 Speaker 11: she does want a crack at the mayalty in twenty 410 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 11: twenty eight or further out, she now says she doesn't 411 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:14,679 Speaker 11: and instead simply Harbor's ambition to enter Parliament with the 412 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 11: Green Party in twenty twenty nine. All the way through 413 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,440 Speaker 11: her twenty twenty two campaign when she ran for mayor, 414 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,440 Speaker 11: there was a lot of talk that she was only 415 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 11: seeking local leadership to boost her profile to indeed one 416 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 11: day make the Greens list. Civil Defense, mardi development, foreign affairs. 417 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,919 Speaker 11: These are all portfolios she's told us she's eyeing up 418 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,640 Speaker 11: in the past. In the meantime, she has of course 419 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 11: quit the Wellington Marylty. She's running for council in a 420 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:41,679 Speaker 11: Mardi ward. She's also revealed she's joined an organization that 421 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:45,959 Speaker 11: runs public speaking events, conferences, leadership etc. So you can 422 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 11: pay to hear her speak. I'm not quite sure what 423 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:51,639 Speaker 11: the topic would be though, beyond lessons learned, I'm this. 424 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 2: I'm not going to say a word. Thank you, Mex. 425 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:55,399 Speaker 2: Is the weather looking better today? 426 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 11: Indeed, party cloudy nor Westerly's fifteen the high. 427 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:01,439 Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Mex. Neither Britty money was in 428 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,400 Speaker 2: the Auckland studio. Good morning, good morning. The new world 429 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 2: Victoria Park which was once our little local supermarket here, yes, me, 430 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 2: it is now completely bare after going up and flows. 431 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,399 Speaker 13: Yeah that's right now. This is despite previous claims that 432 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:19,399 Speaker 13: the building wouldn't undergo a complete demolition, but food Stuff's 433 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,359 Speaker 13: North Dining claimed a complete demolition of the storm was 434 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 13: not on the cards. 435 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:23,440 Speaker 2: In July. 436 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:27,440 Speaker 13: However, significant changes now being made to the site, and 437 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 13: so food Stuff says that the damaged roof and the 438 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 13: walls have been removed. It's all bere now. The remaining 439 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:37,119 Speaker 13: concrete slab in car parks going to undergo an engineering assessment. 440 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:39,679 Speaker 13: It also says that the company will be able to 441 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 13: be in a better position to make decisions, you know, 442 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 13: about the future of the building after all of this 443 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:48,439 Speaker 13: complete demolition, including preparing plans for the new supermarket whenever 444 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 13: that's going to open. 445 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 2: Okay, so that are going to rebuild on the site. Yes, okay. Interesting. 446 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 13: That's weather today, rain turn into showers around midday, heavy 447 00:23:55,880 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 13: at times, possible understorms and downpours. Nineteen is the high warm, 448 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 13: warm and wheat warm. 449 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,120 Speaker 2: But wheat perfect for the school holidays. Once again, thank 450 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 2: you so much. Neva appreciated Nick's brock. The UK and Europe. 451 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:09,680 Speaker 2: Gavin Gray is with us. It is seventeen to. 452 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 1: Six international correspondence with ins and Eye Insurance, Peace of 453 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 1: mind for New Zealand business. 454 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:20,440 Speaker 2: Then we hit to Europe. In the UK now Gavin 455 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,159 Speaker 2: Gray is with me. Good morning, Devin. 456 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 14: Him the Francesca. 457 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 2: Okay, so it's good to see the UK Health Scretary 458 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 2: is suggesting that we ignore Trump's health advice when it 459 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 2: comes to autism. 460 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 14: Yes, very much so. So this, of course after Donald 461 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 14: Trump's comments that the pain relief of tailanol, which of 462 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 14: course is known in New Zealand and the UK's paracetamol 463 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 14: is no good, he said, for pregnant women to use, 464 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 14: citing a disputed link between the drug and autism. Now 465 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,680 Speaker 14: we're Streeting, he's the health secretary here in the UK, 466 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 14: he said, I trust doctors over President Trump. Don't pay 467 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 14: any attention whatsoever to the US president's unfounded claims, he said, 468 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 14: And he's gone on as well with a number of 469 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,199 Speaker 14: other people too. Look at the various studies that have 470 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:10,199 Speaker 14: gone on about this particular claim of a link and 471 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 14: said where Streeting said, I've just got to be really 472 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,879 Speaker 14: clear about this. There is no evidence to link the 473 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 14: use of parasitam or by pregnant women to autism in 474 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:19,400 Speaker 14: their children. 475 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:20,119 Speaker 1: None. 476 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 14: And he then quoted a major Swedish study last year 477 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,919 Speaker 14: involving two point four million children which found absolutely no 478 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:30,200 Speaker 14: link between the drug and autism. So where did Donald 479 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,920 Speaker 14: Trump's claims come from? Well, it's another study, this time 480 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,120 Speaker 14: at Harvard University's Cham School of Public Health. And there 481 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:40,680 Speaker 14: was a one in Japan, again but not conclusive, and 482 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 14: therefore the advice is ignored. Donald Trump, who of course 483 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 14: also promoted unsubstantiated medical claims during the COVID nineteen pandemic. 484 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 2: Now, tell me what is going on about these drones, 485 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 2: the drones that stopped the flights at Copenhagen and Oslo airports. 486 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:57,639 Speaker 2: Is it the word yes, the Russians. 487 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,719 Speaker 14: Well that's what we're waiting to hear, Francesca. Now, if 488 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 14: you're thinking, we will hang on a minute. If it's 489 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 14: drones near an airport, why didn't they shoot them down? 490 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 14: Were The answer is that around Copenhagen, the Castrop Airport 491 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 14: in Copenhagen, Denmark, it's very densely populated. So they really 492 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 14: did think that these are quite large drones, not the 493 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 14: little ones that you buy down the shops for personal use, 494 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 14: that it just couldn't shoot them down. And the Prime 495 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,199 Speaker 14: Minister of Denmark, Meta fredericks And said, this is the 496 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 14: most severe attack on Danish infrastructure so far. So what 497 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,639 Speaker 14: happened is that the airspace was shut for several hours 498 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 14: from about eight thirty local time in the evening, and 499 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,159 Speaker 14: it followed the sighting of a number of drones. The 500 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 14: Danish Prime minister made a link between last night's events 501 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:47,679 Speaker 14: in Denmark and also the recent Russian drone incursions in 502 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 14: Poland and Romania, as well as the violation of Estonian 503 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 14: airspace by Russian fighter jets. Now, to be clear, there 504 00:26:55,400 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 14: is absolutely no undisputed link to Russia and what's been 505 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,680 Speaker 14: going on, but plenty of people think this is again 506 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 14: Vladimir Putin test in the water, seeing how far he 507 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:11,200 Speaker 14: can push things before NATO reacts. Well already now we're 508 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,639 Speaker 14: getting Poland and the Czech Republic saying, you know what, 509 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 14: if something flies over our space, I'm shooting it down 510 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:19,439 Speaker 14: and I don't care if it's Russian or not. 511 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for the update, Gevin. Appreciate that 512 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 2: it is eleven to six Francisco. As expected. The government's 513 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:31,200 Speaker 2: overhauling the Holidays Act Sickly will now be pro riuter 514 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 2: matching hours worked instead of a flat ten days, and 515 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 2: your leave will also occur based on ours, giving workers 516 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 2: more flexibility. Marissa Badoir, the Restaurant Association chief executive, is 517 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 2: with me now. Good morning, Maroissa, thanks. 518 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,360 Speaker 15: For your time, Good morning, Thanks for having me. 519 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,160 Speaker 2: Is this a long time coming for you? 520 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 15: Absolutely, it has been a very long time coming. The 521 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 15: work's gone on over the last year, but it's been 522 00:27:55,880 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 15: twenty years really since issues with the old system started. Happening, 523 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,400 Speaker 15: So we're very pleased to see this reform coming through. 524 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,440 Speaker 2: So how does this provide clarity for businesses? 525 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:11,199 Speaker 15: Well, look, in particular for hospitality businesses, a lot of 526 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,680 Speaker 15: our businesses don't work on a forty hour week at all. 527 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:20,239 Speaker 15: We're employing casual employees, we're employing part timers. The new 528 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 15: system really takes into account those more different and modern 529 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,639 Speaker 15: ways of working as well. So it's really getting an 530 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 15: overhaul and being adapted to be more user friendly in 531 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 15: the modern world, I think is the best way to 532 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:33,640 Speaker 15: describe it. 533 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:37,639 Speaker 2: Will it change the way businesses interact with their employees? 534 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 15: Look, I think as far as that interaction with employees, 535 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,480 Speaker 15: it's going to simplify things for both employers and employees. 536 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 15: And I think anything in this space when it comes 537 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 15: to pay, if it's easier to understand, it's going to 538 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 15: be better for everybody. 539 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 2: In hospo. Do you have a lot of part timers 540 00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 2: or do you have a lot of casual workers? 541 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 11: Yes, we do. 542 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 15: We do have a lot of part time workers and 543 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 15: casual workers across different parts of the sector. Also seasonal, 544 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 15: you know, we have people coming in to help out 545 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 15: with a busy season. For example, you know, so this 546 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 15: is this type of approach will make it much easier 547 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 15: for employers. The old system based a lot of its 548 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 15: calculations on either weekly for annual leave or daily for 549 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 15: sick leave. This really simplifies it by making both of 550 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 15: those areas provided sort of over an hourly basis, So 551 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 15: it really does simplify it. 552 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 2: The unions have sort of taken a look at this one. 553 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 2: We've all taken a look at and goneque. It's quite 554 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,440 Speaker 2: good for casual workers, but it's a little bit of 555 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 2: a potentially could be a step back for part time 556 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 2: as if you take a look at sick pay that 557 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 2: they will potentially see a reduction of leave entitlement. Is 558 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 2: that a concern for you? 559 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 15: Look, I think it sort of balances out, to be honest, 560 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 15: I think it sort of matches the hours that you work. 561 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 15: If you are a full time employee, you are going 562 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 15: to be seeing more sickly entitlements. If you are a 563 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 15: part time you know, employee, then yes it is reduced, 564 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 15: but I think it balances out as far as you're 565 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 15: the hours that you're actually working. 566 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 2: Was there anything else that you looked at with this 567 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 2: overhaul and you thought, right, that is going to be, 568 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 2: you know, great for the hospitality industry specifically. 569 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 15: Look, I think it really is around that change from 570 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:39,000 Speaker 15: weekly and daily to hourly. I know so many employers 571 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 15: who agonize over essentially making sure that they're getting these 572 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 15: payments correct when it comes to sick pay or holiday pay. 573 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 15: And I mean, if we're looking at large corporate organizations 574 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 15: and even some government departments, we're making mistakes on this. 575 00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 15: You can imagine what a nightmare it has been for 576 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 15: a small business. 577 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 2: So I worked in hospital when I was at university 578 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 2: and things, Marissa, and I don't think I ever got 579 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 2: the right holiday pay or sick paid what you know, 580 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 2: what I was expecting, never quite any right, you know, 581 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 2: So it's always kind of been like that was quite 582 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 2: a long time ago. I suppose the other thing you 583 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 2: locate here too, is obviously they're hoping to get this 584 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:20,720 Speaker 2: legislation through the House before the end of the year, 585 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 2: or at least before the end of this term. Then 586 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:24,560 Speaker 2: it's another couple of years. You know, we've got to 587 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 2: change all the software. It's still a bit of a 588 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 2: long hauling head. It's a shame we can't fast traate 589 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:31,640 Speaker 2: this exactly. 590 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 15: And that's one of some of the feedback we've been 591 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 15: receiving from employers business owners there to say, wow, we 592 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 15: have to wait this long before we implement this. And yes, 593 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 15: I understand that. You know, we have systems to update, 594 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 15: but a lot of the systems that we've been reviewing 595 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:51,320 Speaker 15: are already in some ways ready to go. So yeah, 596 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 15: it does seem like a long time to wait before 597 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:57,480 Speaker 15: before the actual implementation happens. But I guess we need 598 00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 15: time to educate everyone we were up to speed. But yes, 599 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 15: it'd be great if we could kick it off earlier. 600 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 2: Marissa, thank you so much for your time this morning. 601 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 2: Have a great day. Mike Hosking is in the studio. Next, 602 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 2: it is six to six. 603 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 1: Get ahead of the headlines on an early edition with 604 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:19,480 Speaker 1: Francesca Rudkin and one roof love where you Live news 605 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 1: talks that'd be coming up. 606 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,720 Speaker 2: At six as the Mike Hostking Breakfast and Mike Hosking 607 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 2: joins me. 608 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 16: Now, good morning, good morning. A couple of things. Did 609 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 16: you know that people a crewed leave just read your 610 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 16: interview before. Did you know people a crewed leave when 611 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:32,240 Speaker 16: they're on acc? 612 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 2: Sorry what the crew? 613 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 1: They are? 614 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 16: Crew leave right when you're on acc? Oh and that's 615 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,719 Speaker 16: one of the things they changed yesterday. It's the weirdest thing. 616 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 16: How is it possible that you're not working but you're 617 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 16: still accruing leave anyway, said I tidly that up. Thank 618 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 16: the good Lord our teachers. By the way of that 619 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 16: changes out of yesterday, then six years right years away, 620 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 16: it's you and I are we did by the time 621 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 16: the changes come in, it's. 622 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 11: All very well. 623 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 2: And I hope not Mike, which brings us to. 624 00:32:57,880 --> 00:32:59,840 Speaker 16: The border of the mood of the boardroom thing this 625 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 16: morning that we'll be covering a little bit. So do 626 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,320 Speaker 16: you find and I was just discussing this out out there. 627 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,120 Speaker 16: I mean, I get why they do it, but do 628 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 16: you find a point score? Kind of childish a little bit. 629 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 2: But I suppose they have kind of broken it down 630 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,400 Speaker 2: into categories like people have given school that that total 631 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,760 Speaker 2: score comes from looking at certain things. Yeah, I get, 632 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 2: And I suppose they're saying, we don't think you're bringing 633 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 2: transformational change. But then they're saying, hey, lot, you're doing 634 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:27,760 Speaker 2: really well on an international safe So I suppose they're 635 00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,719 Speaker 2: giving some direction. I mean, it's if you give if 636 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 2: you give someone a rating and you don't explain why 637 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 2: that's no use, right, but at least here you can 638 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:36,840 Speaker 2: look at it and go, oh okay, I got to 639 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:37,920 Speaker 2: take here, and I got a cross. 640 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 16: The Well, the next question for you is what's a pass? 641 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 16: If it's out of five? Is two point five a 642 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,760 Speaker 16: pass or as three a pass? You know what's your 643 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 16: boy five? So it's two point five, you are above 644 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 16: two point five, that's. 645 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 2: Above good pass, that's a pass. 646 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 16: So it's in you and above two point five. Well, 647 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,520 Speaker 16: in that case most of them pass, So I suppose 648 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:56,760 Speaker 16: that's the outside bad anyway. 649 00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:57,960 Speaker 9: Nikola willis who's. 650 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 16: One of the feature topics, and that will be with us. 651 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 2: My costume is up next. 652 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 9: Take Care. 653 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:09,000 Speaker 1: For more from Early Edition with Ryan Bridge. Listen live 654 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,120 Speaker 1: to News Talks it be from five am weekdays, or 655 00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 1: follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.