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Speaker 1: So let's go to an education show. Were more troubling

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Speaker 1: data from the education sector. So the ministry now projecting

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Speaker 1: that schools will be short. This is a midpoint of

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Speaker 1: their projections. But twelve hundred and fifty teachers short between

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five and twenty twenty seven's quite a dramatic

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Speaker 1: change with the last report in twenty twenty three projecting

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Speaker 1: a surplus. Chris Abercrombie is the president of the Post

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Speaker 1: Primary Teachers Association. Chris, good evening to you, goody here, good,

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Speaker 1: thank you. So we've got more immigration coming up, we've

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Speaker 1: got teachers who are leaving, or we've got attrition going on,

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Speaker 1: so we've got a shortage. Is that surprising, No.

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Speaker 2: It's not surprised, and it's something we've been saying for

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Speaker 2: a long time and we got pushed back from the

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Speaker 2: ministry because they said their data didn't show this, and

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Speaker 2: it turns out their data was wrong. So I'm glad

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Speaker 2: that we're all finally on the same page about this year.

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Speaker 1: We had so many kids coming in with their parents

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Speaker 1: is as migrants during those booming post COVID years. That's

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Speaker 1: kind of led to this.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, there's insignificant growth in that than from that

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Speaker 2: migrant group all across the bar or just it's not

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Speaker 2: an Aukland issue. And nearly every school I visit they'll

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Speaker 2: talk about an increase in ESOL English as second language students.

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Speaker 1: Does that make life hard teach life harder for teachers.

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Speaker 2: In a way, yes, because more supports needed for those students.

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Speaker 2: But these are some great students who are doing amazing things,

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Speaker 2: but it does take more to upskill them in our system.

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Speaker 1: Hey, Chris, you know what else this report says. It

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Speaker 1: says that the other issue we've got is increased classroom

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Speaker 1: release time for teachers. Why don't teachers just stay in class?

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Speaker 2: Well, one of the key things that was negotiated in

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Speaker 2: the last collecting rounds was about release time for partial

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Speaker 2: care for secondary perspective, and because we know that our

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Speaker 2: students are coming with more complex needs and schools are

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Speaker 2: increasing and being asked to support them, and so we

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Speaker 2: need to take time to do that so we can

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Speaker 2: actually focus on the teacher and learning. So we need

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Speaker 2: to give time to those people to help those young people.

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Speaker 1: So what is that you take time out of the

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Speaker 1: class to help one or two students?

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Speaker 2: Is that what you mean effectively. It says, they're called

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Speaker 2: partial care allow so deans, for instance, make more time

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Speaker 2: to support young people with more complex needs, Senior leaders,

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Speaker 2: et cetera could have more time to support them, so

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Speaker 2: those teachers, unfortunately won't be in the class because they're

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Speaker 2: having to support these young people.

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Speaker 1: Chris, thank you very much for your time, Chris Abercrombi,

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