1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,387 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:13,107 Speaker 1: from News Talk zed B Well. 3 00:00:12,987 --> 00:00:15,787 Speaker 2: The biggest off season transfer ahead of season five and 4 00:00:15,867 --> 00:00:17,747 Speaker 2: sal GP the move to the new Brazilian team of 5 00:00:17,747 --> 00:00:20,867 Speaker 2: New Zealand. Flight controller Andy Maloney a permanent fixture on 6 00:00:20,907 --> 00:00:22,867 Speaker 2: the Kiwi team since it's entry into the league in 7 00:00:22,907 --> 00:00:25,467 Speaker 2: season two, racing alongside Peter Birling and Blair Chuck and 8 00:00:25,507 --> 00:00:27,947 Speaker 2: both sale GP and America's Cup. I know you've talked 9 00:00:27,987 --> 00:00:29,627 Speaker 2: a lot about the move, and I don't want to 10 00:00:29,667 --> 00:00:32,147 Speaker 2: drill down too much into it and go over old ground, 11 00:00:32,187 --> 00:00:34,707 Speaker 2: but could you give us an idea of the main 12 00:00:34,827 --> 00:00:37,507 Speaker 2: motivation for looking for a change. 13 00:00:38,107 --> 00:00:41,227 Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess anytime I sort of explained the move 14 00:00:41,267 --> 00:00:44,147 Speaker 3: to anyone. You know, there's so many factors that come 15 00:00:44,187 --> 00:00:46,707 Speaker 3: into making a big decision like this for your career 16 00:00:47,667 --> 00:00:50,667 Speaker 3: and for myself. A big big things were the challenge 17 00:00:50,707 --> 00:00:53,467 Speaker 3: with the Brazilian team, really exciting project to be a 18 00:00:53,467 --> 00:00:57,107 Speaker 3: part of, as the first South American team, first Brazilian team, 19 00:00:57,467 --> 00:00:59,707 Speaker 3: with my team leading the team, as the first female 20 00:00:59,787 --> 00:01:02,267 Speaker 3: driver in the league. Those were all very motivating things 21 00:01:02,307 --> 00:01:05,467 Speaker 3: to be a part of. On top of that, you know, 22 00:01:05,747 --> 00:01:09,027 Speaker 3: the people involved the team was bringing the right people 23 00:01:09,027 --> 00:01:11,627 Speaker 3: into the project to have the potential and all the 24 00:01:11,747 --> 00:01:13,827 Speaker 3: ingredients to become a benchmark team in the league. And 25 00:01:13,827 --> 00:01:16,667 Speaker 3: it's just a matter of time. So again that's another 26 00:01:16,707 --> 00:01:19,387 Speaker 3: exciting part of the challenge. And then for me, the 27 00:01:19,427 --> 00:01:21,907 Speaker 3: timing of my career was right. You know, I'd been 28 00:01:21,907 --> 00:01:24,107 Speaker 3: with the Black Furs for a few years and we 29 00:01:24,267 --> 00:01:26,427 Speaker 3: had been, you know, through the whole process to get 30 00:01:26,467 --> 00:01:28,347 Speaker 3: to the front of the league, and I felt it 31 00:01:28,387 --> 00:01:30,027 Speaker 3: was a good time in my career to sort of 32 00:01:30,067 --> 00:01:32,107 Speaker 3: step out of that comfort zone and to keep developing 33 00:01:32,147 --> 00:01:34,147 Speaker 3: myself as an athlete and as a person as well. 34 00:01:34,227 --> 00:01:37,387 Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, we had a team owner, Allen Adler, 35 00:01:37,427 --> 00:01:39,547 Speaker 2: on the radio yesterday and he spoke in glowing terms 36 00:01:39,547 --> 00:01:42,307 Speaker 2: about you, but also about the fact that that was 37 00:01:42,307 --> 00:01:43,947 Speaker 2: his view as well, that it couldn't just be about 38 00:01:43,947 --> 00:01:46,147 Speaker 2: the money or he's a big paycheck. It had to 39 00:01:46,147 --> 00:01:48,627 Speaker 2: be about something that developed you as a sailor, and 40 00:01:48,107 --> 00:01:50,387 Speaker 2: he said that was the most important thing to him 41 00:01:50,507 --> 00:01:53,107 Speaker 2: as well. So I know it's early in your time 42 00:01:53,187 --> 00:01:55,027 Speaker 2: with Brazil, but do you feel like you will be 43 00:01:55,067 --> 00:01:56,067 Speaker 2: able to achieve that? 44 00:01:56,627 --> 00:01:59,267 Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent. Like I said, you know, we've 45 00:01:59,267 --> 00:02:03,387 Speaker 3: got my team leading the team, super capable with all 46 00:02:03,427 --> 00:02:06,347 Speaker 3: the right ingredients to become an amazing leader as well 47 00:02:06,387 --> 00:02:08,027 Speaker 3: as one of the top drivers in this league. I've 48 00:02:08,027 --> 00:02:10,747 Speaker 3: got no doubt in her potential. Then we've got other 49 00:02:10,747 --> 00:02:13,907 Speaker 3: people on the boat, you know, coming from Olympic champions 50 00:02:13,907 --> 00:02:17,187 Speaker 3: Pan American Champions, America's Cup champions, We've got all the 51 00:02:17,307 --> 00:02:20,107 Speaker 3: ingredients there, and it's about jailing as a crew and 52 00:02:20,627 --> 00:02:22,227 Speaker 3: all of us learning the boat a little bit better 53 00:02:22,227 --> 00:02:24,987 Speaker 3: as a group. And we definitely we've shown a lot 54 00:02:24,987 --> 00:02:27,067 Speaker 3: of potential in some of the practice racing. Yesterday, our 55 00:02:27,067 --> 00:02:30,347 Speaker 3: potential didn't quite shine through, but I'm hoping today. You know, 56 00:02:30,427 --> 00:02:32,507 Speaker 3: it's another opportunity for us as a new team to 57 00:02:32,867 --> 00:02:34,987 Speaker 3: sort of show what we're capable of. And you know, 58 00:02:35,107 --> 00:02:37,027 Speaker 3: eat race is an opportunity right now for us as 59 00:02:37,027 --> 00:02:38,187 Speaker 3: a new team, and we've got to just take it 60 00:02:38,227 --> 00:02:40,067 Speaker 3: one race at a time and keep trying to, you know, 61 00:02:40,147 --> 00:02:41,307 Speaker 3: get that first win on the board. 62 00:02:41,587 --> 00:02:43,307 Speaker 2: You use the word gelling there, and it's a word 63 00:02:43,347 --> 00:02:45,787 Speaker 2: I've heard a lot when talking to the sailors across 64 00:02:45,827 --> 00:02:48,787 Speaker 2: the weekend. You know, the gelling, the communication, the culture 65 00:02:48,827 --> 00:02:51,427 Speaker 2: on the boat. How challenging is that as a startup 66 00:02:51,507 --> 00:02:53,227 Speaker 2: compared to an existing crew. 67 00:02:54,227 --> 00:02:56,027 Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, you know you need you need to 68 00:02:56,067 --> 00:02:58,267 Speaker 3: know your teammates really well and how they how they 69 00:02:58,347 --> 00:03:01,827 Speaker 3: sort of react to different situations. But as well, these 70 00:03:01,827 --> 00:03:04,747 Speaker 3: boats really require the six people on board or to 71 00:03:04,787 --> 00:03:07,947 Speaker 3: be nailing and executing the to perfection to sell the 72 00:03:07,947 --> 00:03:10,267 Speaker 3: boat really well. So you know, part of that gelling 73 00:03:10,347 --> 00:03:12,507 Speaker 3: is a crew is all of us learning our roles 74 00:03:12,507 --> 00:03:14,907 Speaker 3: on the boat and really nailing them and executing them 75 00:03:14,907 --> 00:03:17,267 Speaker 3: and the crucial moments around the race course to do 76 00:03:17,307 --> 00:03:18,667 Speaker 3: a good job. And that's what you see the top 77 00:03:18,667 --> 00:03:21,147 Speaker 3: teams do racing and race out. 78 00:03:21,147 --> 00:03:25,347 Speaker 2: Conditions yesterday, conditions today as she least talk about yesterday 79 00:03:25,387 --> 00:03:28,067 Speaker 2: first of all, tenth, ninth, eight to eleventh, what do 80 00:03:28,107 --> 00:03:28,427 Speaker 2: you reckon? 81 00:03:28,427 --> 00:03:30,307 Speaker 4: You can make the big improvements today. 82 00:03:31,507 --> 00:03:34,027 Speaker 3: Just doing the simple things better today. You know, we 83 00:03:34,107 --> 00:03:36,587 Speaker 3: got caught out a few times just maybe getting behind 84 00:03:36,587 --> 00:03:40,427 Speaker 3: on our communication and from the practice day. You know, 85 00:03:40,427 --> 00:03:42,467 Speaker 3: we had another five boats on the race course yesterday 86 00:03:42,507 --> 00:03:46,387 Speaker 3: and that added another level of intensity and another huge 87 00:03:46,467 --> 00:03:49,187 Speaker 3: level of complexity to the coms loop that we weren't 88 00:03:49,307 --> 00:03:51,827 Speaker 3: used to the day before as a team. So today 89 00:03:51,827 --> 00:03:54,067 Speaker 3: it's about sort of painting that picture a bit earlier 90 00:03:54,067 --> 00:03:56,507 Speaker 3: in the piece and then letting ourselves, giving ourselves time 91 00:03:56,547 --> 00:03:58,227 Speaker 3: to execute around the race course. 92 00:03:58,627 --> 00:04:01,307 Speaker 2: Shifty wins yesterday, I think could probably be a fair description. 93 00:04:01,627 --> 00:04:04,067 Speaker 2: How much more challenging does that make it? 94 00:04:04,787 --> 00:04:07,547 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the first two races were incredibly dynamic. 95 00:04:07,627 --> 00:04:09,907 Speaker 3: You know, it was in between foiling and non foiling 96 00:04:09,907 --> 00:04:12,387 Speaker 3: conditions depending on where you were in the fleet, a 97 00:04:12,427 --> 00:04:14,187 Speaker 3: lot of bad air, and then later in the day 98 00:04:14,187 --> 00:04:15,427 Speaker 3: there was a bit more breezing, it was a bit 99 00:04:15,427 --> 00:04:17,187 Speaker 3: more simple to get the boat around the racetrack. And 100 00:04:18,187 --> 00:04:19,867 Speaker 3: you know, I think coming out of yesterday today is 101 00:04:19,867 --> 00:04:22,827 Speaker 3: looking like a much windier, more consistent type of day. 102 00:04:23,627 --> 00:04:26,067 Speaker 3: And again that sort of emphasizes doing the basics well, 103 00:04:26,107 --> 00:04:28,787 Speaker 3: getting off the start line in decent shape, and then 104 00:04:28,947 --> 00:04:31,147 Speaker 3: just executing around the racecourse and chipping your way through 105 00:04:31,147 --> 00:04:33,667 Speaker 3: the fleet. We've shown a lot of potential in a 106 00:04:33,707 --> 00:04:35,947 Speaker 3: straight line and through the maneuvers, so I think as 107 00:04:35,947 --> 00:04:38,467 Speaker 3: a team were really confident that if we can execute 108 00:04:38,507 --> 00:04:40,147 Speaker 3: those around the race track, there's no reason why we 109 00:04:40,187 --> 00:04:43,027 Speaker 3: can't be clowing away at boats. Even in these early days. 110 00:04:42,907 --> 00:04:44,827 Speaker 2: I get the feeling that there are a lot of 111 00:04:44,827 --> 00:04:47,747 Speaker 2: different ways to make improvements in these boats, you know, 112 00:04:47,827 --> 00:04:50,627 Speaker 2: and I wonder where you place your focus in order 113 00:04:50,667 --> 00:04:53,067 Speaker 2: to get the biggest bang for your buck, if you 114 00:04:53,147 --> 00:04:53,587 Speaker 2: know what I mean. 115 00:04:54,587 --> 00:04:57,467 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's always priorities each night as a team and 116 00:04:57,467 --> 00:04:59,627 Speaker 3: then in between events as well. And for us as 117 00:04:59,667 --> 00:05:02,947 Speaker 3: a new team, we've got probably a lot of experience 118 00:05:02,947 --> 00:05:05,467 Speaker 3: in sailing the boat well in a straight line and 119 00:05:05,507 --> 00:05:07,107 Speaker 3: how you set the boat up as well as how 120 00:05:07,147 --> 00:05:10,387 Speaker 3: you execute the maneuvers. So I think for us right now, 121 00:05:10,387 --> 00:05:12,387 Speaker 3: the priority is not maybe so much diving into that 122 00:05:12,427 --> 00:05:15,387 Speaker 3: real fine detail of the data of how someone's nailing 123 00:05:15,427 --> 00:05:18,347 Speaker 3: an attack slightly better than us. It's more about looking 124 00:05:18,427 --> 00:05:21,307 Speaker 3: at the bigger picture, and it's still laying the foundation 125 00:05:21,387 --> 00:05:25,667 Speaker 3: of a communication playbook and tactics around the race track 126 00:05:25,707 --> 00:05:27,707 Speaker 3: and who says what at different moments. You know, those 127 00:05:27,747 --> 00:05:29,707 Speaker 3: sort of big ticket items are low hanging fruit that 128 00:05:29,707 --> 00:05:32,667 Speaker 3: we can make really big gains if we make improvements 129 00:05:32,667 --> 00:05:33,707 Speaker 3: there day in and day out. 130 00:05:33,907 --> 00:05:36,987 Speaker 4: The t foils, how did you enjoy sailing on those? 131 00:05:37,827 --> 00:05:38,067 Speaker 2: Yeah? 132 00:05:38,107 --> 00:05:40,427 Speaker 3: I've been loving them. You know. They were a real challenge, 133 00:05:40,507 --> 00:05:43,947 Speaker 3: especially the first couple of days, But I feel like 134 00:05:43,987 --> 00:05:45,547 Speaker 3: as a team we're getting to grips with them pretty 135 00:05:45,627 --> 00:05:49,107 Speaker 3: quickly and don't feel too uncomfortable on them at all, 136 00:05:49,147 --> 00:05:52,947 Speaker 3: and I'm excited by them. I think it's another cool 137 00:05:53,027 --> 00:05:55,227 Speaker 3: dynamic that the flight controllers have to deal with in 138 00:05:55,267 --> 00:05:58,027 Speaker 3: the league and I really like it. 139 00:05:58,067 --> 00:05:59,427 Speaker 4: Does it feel like a different boat? 140 00:06:00,467 --> 00:06:03,587 Speaker 3: Yeah, in situations it does, especially how you control the boat. 141 00:06:04,067 --> 00:06:05,707 Speaker 3: I think if you're doing a good job of it, 142 00:06:05,747 --> 00:06:08,267 Speaker 3: the boat's probably don't look too dissimilar from the outside, 143 00:06:08,347 --> 00:06:12,827 Speaker 3: But because everyone's still getting to terms with those slight differences, 144 00:06:13,387 --> 00:06:15,107 Speaker 3: it looks probably a bit looser and a little bit 145 00:06:15,107 --> 00:06:15,827 Speaker 3: different at the moment. 146 00:06:16,427 --> 00:06:18,787 Speaker 2: So when you look ahead and look at the season 147 00:06:18,827 --> 00:06:21,307 Speaker 2: as a whole. I'm sure you've discussed this internally, but 148 00:06:21,427 --> 00:06:24,307 Speaker 2: in terms of success for Brazil in your first cele 149 00:06:24,427 --> 00:06:26,987 Speaker 2: GP season, what are the metrics that you're going to 150 00:06:27,067 --> 00:06:27,707 Speaker 2: use to judge that? 151 00:06:29,467 --> 00:06:31,907 Speaker 3: Yeah? I think right now it's all about progression as 152 00:06:31,947 --> 00:06:34,427 Speaker 3: a team and just really trying to steep in that 153 00:06:34,787 --> 00:06:38,227 Speaker 3: curve as much as possible and you know, improve our 154 00:06:38,307 --> 00:06:42,427 Speaker 3: understanding of the boat and all those sort of fundamentals 155 00:06:42,467 --> 00:06:45,507 Speaker 3: laying the foundation still. But in terms of results as 156 00:06:45,547 --> 00:06:48,707 Speaker 3: a team personally, I think it's too early to set 157 00:06:48,747 --> 00:06:50,867 Speaker 3: a sort of a level we want to get to 158 00:06:51,147 --> 00:06:54,547 Speaker 3: I think I think the potential is extremely high. And 159 00:06:55,067 --> 00:06:56,787 Speaker 3: you know, I wouldn't want to say a good season 160 00:06:56,787 --> 00:06:59,667 Speaker 3: for us will be coming seventh or eighth in this fleet, 161 00:06:59,747 --> 00:07:02,787 Speaker 3: because because I want to be winning events by the 162 00:07:02,827 --> 00:07:04,627 Speaker 3: end of the season, you know, And I do think 163 00:07:04,627 --> 00:07:06,987 Speaker 3: the potential is there. We've got so many good sailors 164 00:07:07,027 --> 00:07:09,667 Speaker 3: in the group, and my teen's got all the qualities 165 00:07:09,747 --> 00:07:11,747 Speaker 3: needed to be as good as these other drivers in 166 00:07:11,787 --> 00:07:14,787 Speaker 3: the fleet. So yeah, that's part of the challenge, you know. 167 00:07:14,827 --> 00:07:17,067 Speaker 3: That's why I took this up, because it's just unknown 168 00:07:17,107 --> 00:07:19,387 Speaker 3: where we're going to get to, and I've got a 169 00:07:19,427 --> 00:07:21,267 Speaker 3: lot of hope for the team, and everyone's putting in 170 00:07:21,787 --> 00:07:23,547 Speaker 3: the hours needed to try and get us to the front. 171 00:07:23,587 --> 00:07:25,987 Speaker 3: So we just got to stick at it. It's not 172 00:07:26,027 --> 00:07:27,467 Speaker 3: going to be an easy trip to the front of 173 00:07:27,507 --> 00:07:29,587 Speaker 3: the fleet. It hasn't. It wasn't for anyone, including the 174 00:07:29,587 --> 00:07:32,027 Speaker 3: Black Foils. Took us a long time to get there 175 00:07:32,027 --> 00:07:34,547 Speaker 3: in that team as well. So I've been there before, 176 00:07:34,627 --> 00:07:36,427 Speaker 3: and you just got to keep sticking at it and 177 00:07:37,107 --> 00:07:39,587 Speaker 3: keep trusting yourself and the people around you and know 178 00:07:39,627 --> 00:07:40,347 Speaker 3: that it'll come. 179 00:07:40,867 --> 00:07:43,707 Speaker 2: Martin Grail, I saw some footage and the latest racing 180 00:07:43,747 --> 00:07:45,947 Speaker 2: on the edge dock ow and it gives you a 181 00:07:45,947 --> 00:07:52,507 Speaker 2: fantastic insight. She seems like a terrific sailor. What have 182 00:07:52,547 --> 00:07:55,027 Speaker 2: you found in terms of working alongside her? 183 00:07:56,227 --> 00:07:59,667 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was funny. I think after that, after the 184 00:07:59,667 --> 00:08:01,947 Speaker 3: first event in Dubai, I had a phone call with 185 00:08:01,987 --> 00:08:04,067 Speaker 3: my team and I was just sort of saying to 186 00:08:04,347 --> 00:08:07,187 Speaker 3: how pleased I was coming out of that event. A 187 00:08:07,187 --> 00:08:09,507 Speaker 3: lot of her qualities and traits are very similar to 188 00:08:09,787 --> 00:08:13,147 Speaker 3: other top helmsman's that I've sailed with, including Pete himself, 189 00:08:13,747 --> 00:08:15,587 Speaker 3: and we had a discussion about how cool that is 190 00:08:15,627 --> 00:08:17,427 Speaker 3: and then also the challenges that come with some of 191 00:08:17,427 --> 00:08:20,907 Speaker 3: those qualities of being a top helmsman and driver. You know. Yeah, 192 00:08:20,947 --> 00:08:24,827 Speaker 3: but she's extremely determined, super motivated, and she's a really 193 00:08:24,827 --> 00:08:28,307 Speaker 3: fierce competitor, you know, and she wants to win for sure, 194 00:08:29,347 --> 00:08:31,427 Speaker 3: so I know she's not going to settle for anything 195 00:08:31,507 --> 00:08:31,987 Speaker 3: less than that. 196 00:08:32,267 --> 00:08:34,707 Speaker 4: And sol GP goes to Rio as well this year. 197 00:08:35,307 --> 00:08:37,067 Speaker 4: Can you imagine what that's going to be like? 198 00:08:37,707 --> 00:08:41,587 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's like a fifth event on the calendar. Yeah, 199 00:08:41,667 --> 00:08:44,347 Speaker 3: it's going to be awesome. All the Brazilians and the team, 200 00:08:44,387 --> 00:08:46,267 Speaker 3: you know, they're super excited, for he and they say, 201 00:08:46,947 --> 00:08:48,387 Speaker 3: you know, they say, wait till you get to Reo. 202 00:08:48,427 --> 00:08:49,947 Speaker 3: It's just going to be crazy there on the beach 203 00:08:49,987 --> 00:08:51,947 Speaker 3: off a sugar loaf, and yeah, it'll be a really 204 00:08:51,987 --> 00:08:52,467 Speaker 3: cool event. 205 00:08:52,787 --> 00:08:54,507 Speaker 2: Is it quite nice for you or is it handy 206 00:08:54,507 --> 00:08:56,347 Speaker 2: for you that the New Zealand League is early on 207 00:08:56,347 --> 00:08:57,667 Speaker 2: on the piece. You can get this out of the way. 208 00:08:57,667 --> 00:08:59,747 Speaker 2: You're not going to walk into the wrong tent that 209 00:08:59,827 --> 00:09:01,827 Speaker 2: sort of thing, you know. Is it quite nice to 210 00:09:01,827 --> 00:09:02,947 Speaker 2: have this out of the way early. 211 00:09:05,427 --> 00:09:05,627 Speaker 4: Yes? 212 00:09:05,667 --> 00:09:07,227 Speaker 3: And no, you know I would have you know, it 213 00:09:07,227 --> 00:09:08,667 Speaker 3: would have been great as a team to have a 214 00:09:08,667 --> 00:09:11,147 Speaker 3: few more events under a belt before before the Offland event, 215 00:09:11,187 --> 00:09:14,107 Speaker 3: I guess in one respect. But I mean it's always 216 00:09:14,147 --> 00:09:17,147 Speaker 3: such a privilege to race in front of family, friends 217 00:09:17,187 --> 00:09:19,907 Speaker 3: and the key We crowd, you know, they're so passionate, 218 00:09:19,947 --> 00:09:22,787 Speaker 3: and everyone here in sale GP is just you know, 219 00:09:22,827 --> 00:09:25,747 Speaker 3: you're walking around the viaduct when you're caught area and 220 00:09:25,787 --> 00:09:28,027 Speaker 3: there's just sailing fans everywhere and the boats and the 221 00:09:28,067 --> 00:09:30,587 Speaker 3: basin there, there's people on along the fence lines just 222 00:09:30,667 --> 00:09:33,467 Speaker 3: cheering for the different teams and then seeing the crowd 223 00:09:33,467 --> 00:09:36,427 Speaker 3: in the grandstand yesterday was just unreal. So yeah, I 224 00:09:36,507 --> 00:09:38,507 Speaker 3: can't wait to get out there today with this forecast 225 00:09:38,507 --> 00:09:39,827 Speaker 3: and put on a really good show for them. 226 00:09:39,907 --> 00:09:42,027 Speaker 2: Yeah, we can't wait either, Andy, thanks for our stopping 227 00:09:42,067 --> 00:09:43,947 Speaker 2: and all the best today and for the rest of 228 00:09:43,947 --> 00:09:46,267 Speaker 2: the sale GP season. Congrats on a great move. I 229 00:09:46,267 --> 00:09:47,187 Speaker 2: think it's terrific. Man. 230 00:09:47,227 --> 00:09:49,147 Speaker 4: It says a lot about you. But yeah, thanks for 231 00:09:49,147 --> 00:09:49,947 Speaker 4: stopping for a chat. 232 00:09:50,147 --> 00:09:54,227 Speaker 1: Chure, Thanks for more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine. 233 00:09:54,347 --> 00:09:57,587 Speaker 1: Listen live to news Talk said Be weekends from midday, 234 00:09:57,867 --> 00:09:59,987 Speaker 1: or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.