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Speaker 1: Dickens on hither duplicy Ellen Drive with one New Zealand

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Speaker 2: We're here until seven in the program Today kee We

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Speaker 2: Bank's capital raises off. The boss of New Zealand Cricket

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Speaker 2: pinning on sport in ten minutes. AI is making power

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Speaker 2: phones and computers more expensive.

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Speaker 2: Australia is still on edge over BONDAI very sober for

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Speaker 2: the final time this year, not once, but twice. And

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Speaker 2: It's eight after four Dickens right, o Well. The government

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Speaker 2: has approved Ocean Gold's Yhi North mining project, extending gold

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Speaker 2: delighting the pro mining crowd and Matua Shane Jones. It

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Speaker 2: is a decision I agree with. Why He has already

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Speaker 2: been extensively mined, the environment has already beaten up. This

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Speaker 2: will keep the town alive and will provide hundreds of jobs.

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Speaker 2: But make no mistake, this is not going to be

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Speaker 2: of four hundred and twenty two million. They mine five

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Speaker 2: million over the life of the project. Now that is

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Speaker 2: not an economy saving sun. It represents about an eight

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Speaker 2: But what really concerns me is thoughts about new claims

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Speaker 2: or the new work proposed for Bendigo, because until the

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Speaker 2: whole nation truly benefits from the work, until the royalties

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Speaker 2: that money? Is it worth it? Andrew dickens, All right,

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Speaker 2: it is nearly ten out of four and consumers are

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Speaker 2: and rise of AI. It's creating a shortage of computer chips.

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Speaker 2: The price of computer parts like rams have also skyrocketed.

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Speaker 2: So Gorilla Tech CEO and tech commentator Paul Spain joins me. Now,

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Speaker 2: good morning, Paul, Hey, Andrew. So, chips and ram all

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Speaker 4: No, that that's right. You know when we look at

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Speaker 4: And then you've got the longer, longer term storage and

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Speaker 5: You know what it was six months ago.

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Speaker 2: Gamers are freaking out. So why are they getting so

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Speaker 4: It is very much a supply and demand issue. There's

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Speaker 2: Meanwhile, data centers tube up an awful lot of power

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Speaker 2: Fascinating times, and I thank you so much. Paul Spain,

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Speaker 2: Can you believe it? Text throu you can buy ramon

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Speaker 2: The Talks B Andrews says a textas looking how much

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Speaker 2: to gigaw soon due to data centers. Huntley has four

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Speaker 2: the Huntley generators is just for data centers and that

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Speaker 2: Could they Parney Harlo Andrew Scott Weeningck resigns as New

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think we can safely assume that there was

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Speaker 7: Proposal around n Z twenty has been used as perhaps

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Speaker 2: I think you want to call them a poison Chellis.

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Speaker 7: I don't know that that's a bad term for it.

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Speaker 3: Well and Andrew, a very good afternoon to you and

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Speaker 2: Let's just say hello. Okay, the Brown University shooting suspect

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Speaker 3: of American investors. This is exactly what the President had wanted.

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Speaker 3: This has been a very slow moving and long time

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Speaker 3: coming deal. The United States has been very very keen

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Speaker 3: to get che interest in the United States away from TikTok,

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Speaker 3: away from byte Dance, because there has been significant national

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Speaker 3: security concerns about the data that bite Dance could collect

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Speaker 3: of American citizens of individuals here and under Chinese law,

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Speaker 3: they would be forced to share that with the Chinese

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Speaker 3: Communist Party government in Beijing, and that has been of

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Speaker 3: significant concern here. So essentially there's been a big move

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Speaker 3: to try and divest it, to try and get it

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Speaker 3: away from Chinese ownership. So what you're going to see

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Speaker 3: is American investors take over TikTok here in the United

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Speaker 3: States of America. Whether other countries are going to try

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Speaker 3: and follow suit with similar moves to try and get

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Speaker 3: TikTok divested in their own countries, well, that is a

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Speaker 3: matter for obviously to an individual country. But for those

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Speaker 3: TikTokers out there who are busy making all of their

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Speaker 3: fun social media videos for Christmas that are commanding it

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Speaker 3: with all the various filters and clips and different sing

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Speaker 3: songs you can do with the app, will then go

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Speaker 3: ahead because the app still exists. So the world is

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Speaker 3: your oyster. TikTokers. Keep doing what you're doing because the people,

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Speaker 3: well they'll still be watching.

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Speaker 2: Good man Jonathan Kurzley out of the United States of America. Now,

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Speaker 2: this consortium that's actually bought the US arm of TikTok

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Speaker 2: is led by Oracle and Marry Ellison. We all know

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Speaker 2: him well from America's Cup. Another another group called MGX

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Speaker 2: and some other group called silver Lake. You never heard

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Speaker 2: of silver Lake before silver Lake. They're begin to tech.

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Speaker 2: They've got six point four billion dollars invested into data centers.

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Speaker 2: Is data centers again? Talking about data centers again? The

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Speaker 2: big holder of shares in AIRB and b oh, that's right.

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Speaker 2: And silver Lake also put two hundred million dollars into

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Speaker 2: the All Blacks and so now the investor in the

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Speaker 2: All Blacks is now the owner of TikTok. So you

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Speaker 2: can imagine all black TikTok's coming your way real soon.

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Speaker 2: What is coming your way real soon? Is Barry Soper

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Speaker 2: for the final time this year to look at politics

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Speaker 2: here on newstalks at b It is a quarter to.

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Speaker 6: Five politics with centrics. Credit check your customers and get payments. Certady.

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Speaker 2: It is twelve minutes to five. Barry Soper, Welcome to

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Speaker 2: the program.

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Speaker 9: Good afternoon, Andrew.

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Speaker 2: Nice to see you for the season. To see you

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Speaker 2: for the second time today because we all came in

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Speaker 2: for Simon Wilson's retirement speech, which was a very fine speech.

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Speaker 2: And his memory about journalism nearly goes back as far

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Speaker 2: as yours, not quite nearly.

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Speaker 9: I don't remember him that as a student at Victoria University,

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Speaker 9: so nine and for years.

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Speaker 2: Very good speech is very funny. Now, Parlon's youngest MP,

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Speaker 2: the infamous hacker, dancer and paper ripper, made some announcement

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Speaker 2: that she's going to make an announcement on White Tongey.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, Hannah Raffiti MP Clark she sees and she's sort

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Speaker 9: of teasing us, I think because I'd like to know

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Speaker 9: what the announcement could possibly be. She told her Instagram followers,

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Speaker 9: all two hundred and seventy one thousand of them, that

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Speaker 9: there will be some sort of collaboration between herself and

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Speaker 9: the Green MP for Wellington Central, Tamotha Paul So and

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Speaker 9: it's going to be announced on White Tonguey Day. But

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Speaker 9: what on earth could they be doing? I mean, could

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Speaker 9: it be that the Maldi Party are going to lose

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Speaker 9: another MP?

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, could she be forming Tiputti Jr.

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Speaker 9: Well, who knows, you know, New Labor, new Maldi Party,

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Speaker 9: I mean new Greens. But she's saying that, you know,

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Speaker 9: we'll certainly be doing something together. And they did something

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Speaker 9: together earlier this week when the electoral Amendment bill came up,

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Speaker 9: that's the one denying voting to people on the day

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Speaker 9: and denying prisoners voting, and she said they delayed it

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Speaker 9: until tag teammed and delayed it until nine thirty pm,

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Speaker 9: So they've worked together. But that's just filibustering. So that's

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Speaker 9: a great claim to fame on this one. And you

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Speaker 9: know who knows what White.

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Speaker 2: Tonguey Day Februy six, White Tonguy Day. By the way,

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Speaker 2: those two hundred and seventy one thousand followers most actually

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Speaker 2: overseas because she's the biggest star overseason. She is here.

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Speaker 2: I would have to say, well because of the video

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Speaker 2: ripping up the legislation, which is which is a great

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Speaker 2: piece of video. And by the way, you don't say

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Speaker 2: collaboration when you're talking about twenty one year old you

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Speaker 2: say co lab. They pronounced a your co lab between

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Speaker 2: Tabitha Helen Go. Yeah, exactly, I.

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Speaker 9: Didn't do that Muldoon's day.

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Speaker 2: And while all of that is happening, the Maori Parties

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Speaker 2: lawyer is going to stand for the Greens. Yeah that's Swatzias.

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Speaker 9: Well who knows you know that? I'm told she's a

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Speaker 9: well known treaty activist. Tanya Waikato I hadn't heard of

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Speaker 9: her before.

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Speaker 8: But nevertheless, she was the the Maldi party's lawyer, and

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Speaker 8: they say she's a seasoned litigator familiar pace after protesting

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Speaker 8: several government policies, and the Treaty Principal's Bill.

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Speaker 9: Was absolutely one of them. She said, she again a

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Speaker 9: bit of a secret announcing her intention, probably until around

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Speaker 9: February next year. Well, who knows. I might be Clark

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Speaker 9: and Tamotha Paul and this one could have something in

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Speaker 9: common and something Winter Peters.

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Speaker 2: Okay, he's doing his end of year interviews with everybody.

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Speaker 2: He's going to be on with me during the summer

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Speaker 2: breakfast after the new year, and this morning's revelation is

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Speaker 2: a tease on which party he could coalesce with after

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Speaker 2: the election, which would be would never be lam Mart

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Speaker 2: because he never tells you who he's going.

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Speaker 9: Well, no, he doesn't. And what he said to the

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Speaker 9: interviewer on this occasion was that, look, he'll be putting

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Speaker 9: it to bed if you like, before Christmas. Well that's

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Speaker 9: next week, so it's over the next few days. I

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Speaker 9: try to get in contact with him today to ask

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Speaker 9: him has he changed his mind? Could he go with

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Speaker 9: Labor when Chris Hopkins as the leader of Labor because

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Speaker 9: he's always said he won't go with labor. Whilst Chris

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Speaker 9: Hopkins is the leader, well not about to replace hipcens

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Speaker 9: it's given their polling before the next election, so who

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Speaker 9: knows what he's.

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Speaker 8: Going to announce.

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Speaker 9: And I'm sorry here, I am it's a mystery round

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Speaker 9: this whole text today, your whole whole report has been

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Speaker 9: one big mystery, big one big tease.

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Speaker 2: It could be that it's the end of the year,

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Speaker 2: and of course this is the last time you do

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Speaker 2: with us except for at six when you're going to

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Speaker 2: you're going to look back on the whole year. Then, yeah,

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Speaker 2: we're going to look back at the whole year between six.

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Speaker 2: So I shall probably say goodbye to you then. But

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Speaker 2: for those people listening now, thank you for everything that

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Speaker 2: you do and how you come in here and how

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Speaker 2: you do the research and what you've said. And I

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Speaker 2: wish that you and Heather and the two kids just

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Speaker 2: the best of Christmas times, including with the mother in

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Speaker 2: law because I know that she's inseparable. And yeah, thank

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Speaker 2: you so much. Merry Christmas.

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Speaker 9: My absolutely rare art of privilege and pleasure.

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Speaker 11: Andrew.

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Speaker 2: It is now not four p fifty three news Talks

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Speaker 2: here b yeah, news talks here. Be sorry. I'm sorry

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Speaker 2: I came in a little bit late, but I was

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Speaker 2: waiting for Barry to stop talking. Yeah, he says next

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Speaker 2: year is going to be a better year. But I

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Speaker 2: mean as it. I know, we're going to Australia over

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Speaker 2: the next little twenty minute period and we're going to

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Speaker 2: talk about how they stopped a group of seven guys

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Speaker 2: who were heading towards New South Wales out of Victoria.

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Speaker 2: They were worried that they were Islamic extremists. They were

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Speaker 2: worried about what they might do, and so they managed

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Speaker 2: to detain them and that was under sort of anti

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Speaker 2: terrorism laws. Though time passed and they had to release them,

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Speaker 2: and they had to release them because to that point

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Speaker 2: they had done nothing bad. There was no ability to

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Speaker 2: prove the intention of what they might be doing. They

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Speaker 2: hadn't done anything bad. And I did talk to a

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Speaker 2: security expert earlier this week on early edition, and I said,

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Speaker 2: one of the difficulties and actually, you know, stopping this

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Speaker 2: nipping this stuff as bad guys have got to do

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Speaker 2: something bad before you can actually stop them. And you

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Speaker 2: can't stop bad guys if you just think that bad

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Speaker 2: guys are going to do bad stuff, and that is

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Speaker 2: one of the and the person I was talking to said,

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Speaker 2: and that is one of the strengths and also the

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Speaker 2: weaknesses of living in a democracy that you can't have

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Speaker 2: police forces going around stopping people willingly because they think, oh,

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Speaker 2: he might do something bad, even though these people have

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Speaker 2: never done anything bad before in their life. So but anyway,

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Speaker 2: it shows that the tension is still up there and

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Speaker 2: if it was true in this Band to seven, we're

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Speaker 2: heading towards Victoria to carry on whatever they wanted to

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Speaker 2: do in terms of striking against Jews, in terms of

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Speaker 2: perpetuating the anti Semitism. You know that the tension is

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Speaker 2: still very strong in Australia. So we'll go to Australia shortly.

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Speaker 2: And yes, we are going to have an Elvison persontor

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Speaker 2: on the show, because every show at Christmas time needs

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Speaker 2: an Elvis impersonator. And apparently he's very good, and he's

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Speaker 2: going to find out just how good he is because

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Speaker 2: he's entering a competition and that competition might mean that

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Speaker 2: he might get all the way to being the best

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Speaker 2: in the world. So an Elvis impersonator haha, thank you

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Speaker 2: very much. Coming up at five point fifteen. I've got more.

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Speaker 2: I've got more. As you wait, I got more.

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Speaker 6: Kids you make it be Chrisbees.

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Speaker 15: To mabout Christmas, the only drive show you can try

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Speaker 15: to ask the questions just.

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Speaker 1: To get the answers, find the facts and give the analysis.

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Speaker 1: Andrew Dickens on hither duplicy Allen Drive with one New

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Speaker 1: Zealand and the power of satellite mobile news talks it

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Speaker 1: be set them outter five.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the program. Elvis is in the house on

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Speaker 2: a Friday before Christmas. But first, Kiwi Bank has announced

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Speaker 2: its five hundred million dollar capital rays is off. The

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Speaker 2: bank's been talking to investors since the government gave it

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Speaker 2: the green light to raise money to make the bank

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Speaker 2: more competitive, and that was all go. But then earlier

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Speaker 2: this week the Reserve Bank announce the banks will need

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Speaker 2: to hold less capital for a worse case scenario. So

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Speaker 2: well of a sudden two days later, we find out

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Speaker 2: that the five hundred million dollar capital raises off. So

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Speaker 2: joining us now is Steve Jakovic, who is Kiwibank's chief executive.

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Speaker 2: Afternoon to you, Steve, good afternoon, So why have you

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Speaker 2: decided you now don't need to raise this new capital.

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Speaker 16: Well, I mean, the work that we've done over the

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Speaker 16: last twelve months or so has really been about just

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Speaker 16: making sure that we had all our options open, that

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Speaker 16: Kiwi Bank would never have to slow its growth and

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Speaker 16: so will has been a lot of consultation and a

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Speaker 16: lot of work done about the capital rules. We didn't

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Speaker 16: really know how that was going to play out until

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Speaker 16: literally this week. So one of the things a bank

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Speaker 16: has to do is make sure it's got its options open,

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Speaker 16: and so one of the options that the government was

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Speaker 16: happy with was that we sought external investment and so

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Speaker 16: we you know, you need to kick that process off,

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Speaker 16: and that's not a you know, that's not a trivial process.

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Speaker 16: It takes a bit of time. But ultimately, by the

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Speaker 16: time we got to the Reserve Bank announcements, it seemed

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Speaker 16: pretty clear that the best option was going to be

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Speaker 16: following the capital rules and that actually we were going

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Speaker 16: to have plenty of horsepower for the future.

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Speaker 2: Okay, the Reserve Bank under announced those rules two days ago.

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Speaker 2: So was so you made the decision very quickly. Was

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Speaker 2: the capital raise dead in the water before them?

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Speaker 6: No, it wasn't.

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Speaker 16: It was still ongoing, but it was it was becoming

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Speaker 16: apparent that it was going to be quite tricky. And

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Speaker 16: also the closer and closer we got to seeing what

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Speaker 16: was proposed, because remember, while the final decision was made

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Speaker 16: this week months ago, it was signaled what it was

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Speaker 16: likely to be about, and so we had a very

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Speaker 16: high level of confidence that, you know, some of the

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Speaker 16: changes that we were signaled were going to happen, and

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Speaker 16: so the amount of capital we have to hold for

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Speaker 16: particular assets and risk was going to drop materially. Now,

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Speaker 16: as it turned out this week it actually went down

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Speaker 16: further than we had anticipated. We also went out and

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Speaker 16: raised four hundred million dollars worth of capital from investors,

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Speaker 16: and we were really oversubscribed at that on a good price.

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Speaker 16: And so both those factors meant that by the time

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Speaker 16: we got to today and yesterday, it was time to actually,

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Speaker 16: you know, agree that the best course of action was

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Speaker 16: to stop the offer.

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Speaker 2: So the four hundred million you did actually get, or

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Speaker 2: not actually get, but you know, got some advice that

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Speaker 2: will be taken. Did that show to you that investors working.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, well, I mean, as I can say, the four

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Speaker 16: hundred million dollar offer, I mean, we originally said that

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Speaker 16: we'd raise sort of two hundred plus what's called over subscriptions.

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Speaker 16: We end up raising four hundred at some of the

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Speaker 16: best pricing that you know, we've seen in a long time.

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Speaker 16: So that gave us confidence that you know, external professional

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Speaker 16: investors were very interested, remembering that the offer that we

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Speaker 16: had the other way Andrew was in fact, you know,

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Speaker 16: that was selling shares, not issuing debt.

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Speaker 6: And they're quite different, all right.

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Speaker 2: Nikola Willis sold a capital raise is the answer to

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Speaker 2: the pillow fight between the big four banks. Did she

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Speaker 2: over egg that idea?

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Speaker 17: No?

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Speaker 5: I don't think so.

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Speaker 16: I mean it was very clear that the Commerce Commission,

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Speaker 16: Nicola is, the Minister of Finance and others see that

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Speaker 16: the best way to try and disrupt you know, a

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Speaker 16: billion or twollion dollars worth of profit going across the

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Speaker 16: Tasman each year is about making sure that we've got

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Speaker 16: a competitive market in kievments the best option for that.

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Speaker 2: So earlier this week Anna Bremam, who is the new

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Speaker 2: Reserve Bank Governor, told the market, which was quite surprising

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Speaker 2: in itself, in an unscheduled announcement, that it had over

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Speaker 2: reacted with their rates in response to what the RB

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Speaker 2: felt about the future and where our rates are going

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Speaker 2: to change. What are you doing with your rates?

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Speaker 16: Yes, so we will be signaling that, like many others,

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Speaker 16: those wholesale rates going up means that we are going

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Speaker 16: to have to push up blending rates and turn deposit rates.

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Speaker 16: So we're announced, we've announced that we're making a change

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Speaker 16: from today. So, I mean, what happened in what she

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Speaker 16: was really trying to do? And I think this was

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Speaker 16: you know, this was really refreshing that she did this,

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Speaker 16: which was the previously communicated information was that this was

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Speaker 16: the last of the cuts. What happens when people hear that,

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Speaker 16: they go, oh, that means the only way is up,

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Speaker 16: and that meant that rates rally really fast because as

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Speaker 16: everyone knows, there's no downside, there's only upside to the rates.

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Speaker 16: That's very unconventional just to say that. And so I

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Speaker 16: think the new Reserve Bank governor coming out and saying, hey, look,

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Speaker 16: this economy is still pretty fragile. This dog could be

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Speaker 16: more cuts or maybe one just means that, you know,

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Speaker 16: the market then has to think about hold on, is

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Speaker 16: it going to be another cut? All the next one?

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Speaker 16: Beer a right?

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Speaker 2: See if Yukovic chiev excative of keeping bank thanking for

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Speaker 2: joining me and marry Christmas twelve minutes half to five,

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Speaker 2: So New South Wales police are set to release a

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Speaker 2: group of seven men that were arrested last night in

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Speaker 2: relation to the Bondai shootings. Police initially thought that the

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Speaker 2: men had radical Islamist ideologies. It might have been headed

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Speaker 2: for Bondai or somewhere else in Victoria, but police now

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Speaker 2: say they have no more reason to keep the men detained.

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Speaker 2: Charles Croutcher is Channel nine's chief political reporter and joins

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Speaker 2: me now after Nintia Charles, good afternoon, what's going on

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Speaker 2: with these guys.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's still unclear.

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Speaker 11: I mean, there was a was a big response yesterday

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Speaker 11: in Little Pool, which is a suburb of sort of

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Speaker 11: southwestern Sydney. A lot of police, tactically armed police that

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Speaker 11: arrest of these guys in a car and sort of

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Speaker 11: had them parater on the side of the road, and

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Speaker 11: that it's an unusual amount of force for an arrest

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Speaker 11: and unusual to do something while they're still in a car.

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Speaker 11: So I think it's natural that the first assumption was

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Speaker 11: that this went somewhere in relation to Dubondi. Obviously, the

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Speaker 11: nation is still pretty fragile and vulnerable. To or worried

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Speaker 11: about what comes next. That was the first thought. Now,

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Speaker 11: if there were stronger connections, I don't think they'd be released,

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Speaker 11: So we still have to wait and see what the

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Speaker 11: connection is. The one of the men believed to be

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Speaker 11: responsible certainly appear to be responsible for the shooting on Sunday,

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Speaker 11: has come out of a coma. He's been charged bedside,

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Speaker 11: so there is the opportunity to get more information from

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Speaker 11: him as he recovers from his injuries they sustained during

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Speaker 11: what police will say the alleged attack. I think we

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Speaker 11: can probably say the attack and that will help with

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Speaker 11: some other things that go into the investigation.

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Speaker 2: I presume the seven were released into New South wayes

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Speaker 2: into Victoria, where they came from, and not into New

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Speaker 2: South Wales, where the police thought they might were heading

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Speaker 2: to cause some trouble and mischief.

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Speaker 11: I don't think that would be the case. I assume

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Speaker 11: that be released to where their car isn't back and

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Speaker 11: you've either charge them or it would be odd to

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Speaker 11: take their car back to another state. Given Really, I mean,

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Speaker 11: if if there, if they're hell bent on committing the crime,

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Speaker 11: they're seven hours away, well, I think.

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Speaker 2: Or seven will find that I think all seven will

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Speaker 2: find they've got a cop right behind them for the

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Speaker 2: next week anyway, if not more, I would think so okay,

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Speaker 2: So New South Wales is going to pass a law

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Speaker 2: on Monday that will give the police commissioner the right

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Speaker 2: to ban big public protests. How much controversy around that, well, not.

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Speaker 11: A lot at the moment. This is one of those

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Speaker 11: an odd position that the nation is in, given how

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Speaker 11: much pain was inflected on Sunday. The big test will

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Speaker 11: come when the first big protest is petitioned for and rejected,

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Speaker 11: And then what do people do you know? I could

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Speaker 11: almost bet your bottom dollar it will be some form

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Speaker 11: of pro Palestinian anti Israeli government protests like we have

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Speaker 11: seen repeatedly since the atrocities of October seven, and that

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Speaker 11: will further strain the community and the sentiments. You know,

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Speaker 11: you would hope, given the circumstances, that cooler heads would prevail,

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Speaker 11: and you know, perhaps those protests could be put off

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Speaker 11: for a little while. I don't think that will happen though,

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Speaker 11: And so that then becomes a test of the commission

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Speaker 11: of the new rules and just the legality of it all,

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Speaker 11: because these will be laws that have been rushed and

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Speaker 11: laws that will be tested in many different ways unfortunately,

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Speaker 11: I think in the coming weeks.

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Speaker 2: And narrowly difficult wars to write. So there's going to

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Speaker 2: be a lot of mistakes as well as maybe some successes. Finally,

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Speaker 2: Anthony Alberesi, as part of stage two of following the

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Speaker 2: justinder a Duram plan on how to react to such

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Speaker 2: a thing, has announced to a gun buyback plan earlier today.

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Speaker 2: So what guns will they have to give back? And

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Speaker 2: will this give back mister Alberanzi any respect, well, I.

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Speaker 11: Mean respect is still wait and see how that plays out.

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Speaker 11: That's a really it's a fascinating scenario at the moment

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Speaker 11: because this is unlike I think from what I saw

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Speaker 11: from Afar, what happened after christ Church, and unlike what's

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Speaker 11: happened after any real tragedy here in Australia that there

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Speaker 11: has been sort of almost an instant politicization of the events.

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Speaker 11: So the austrain governments operating with the buyback, they are

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Speaker 11: going to restrict the number of guns that people are

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Speaker 11: able to own legally, as well as more fervent and

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Speaker 11: more regular checks on people with licenses. But there was

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Speaker 11: also a whole suite of changes announced to speech, preach

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Speaker 11: and hate laws yesterday that will change and add lists

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Speaker 11: of people that preach hate and increase some of the

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Speaker 11: fines and potential migration implications of that too. So it'll

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Speaker 11: be easier for the Home Affairs Minister to kick people

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Speaker 11: out of the country or reject visas on those grounds

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Speaker 11: as well. So look, I mean the gun law difference

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Speaker 11: is sort of I think tinkering around the edges on

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Speaker 11: what is a big problem. But no doubt those changes

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Speaker 11: will will go through the Parliament and will be necessary

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Speaker 11: at some stage, But there are bigger forces that play here, unfortunately,

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Speaker 11: and I think that's where the focus will be.

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Speaker 2: All right, Charles, Well, thank you for your time. And

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Speaker 2: that is Charles crouched. This is news Talk said be

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Speaker 2: the afternoon in New Zealand. Well, it's because there's a

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Speaker 2: Trevor Needham is going to be trying to win the

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Speaker 2: title and joins me.

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Speaker 5: Now, Hello Trevor, Hello Andrew. How you doing mate?

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Speaker 2: I thought you'd have a deeper voice and sound more

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Speaker 2: elvisly somehow.

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Speaker 5: I've just finished a show, so maybe I can put

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Speaker 5: it on whenever I need to.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I see. So you have to get down into

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Speaker 2: that lower register. You have to just think low and

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Speaker 2: slow and get down all the.

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Speaker 17: Way down there.

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Speaker 5: That's right, Get down and dirt.

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Speaker 2: Down, Get down. How did you end out on this trade?

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Speaker 5: Well, I've been playing professionally for well, semi professionally since

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Speaker 5: ninety ninety seven. And a bar that we play down

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Speaker 5: in Towering A here called jack Dusty's and up We

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Speaker 5: play there Sundays once a month and a guy comes

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Speaker 5: out of the crowd and just we didn't really know

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00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 5: it wasn't. A local gave me a pair of gold

873
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 5: Elvis sunglasses and said put these on. You look like Elvis,

874
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 5: and I'm like, well, nobody looks that good, but I'll

875
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 5: try it, you know. So that was in twenty nineteen,

876
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 5: just before COVID.

877
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 2: And Lo and Behold eighteen You must you must have

878
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 2: sounded pretty good. And now you've carried on and now

879
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,800
Speaker 2: you're professional as well. Which Elvis do you look like?

880
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 2: Fat Elvis or skinny Elvis?

881
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 5: Well I do, I do seventy four to seventy seven

882
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 5: when he passed away, So I'm in this mid to

883
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 5: later area sort of that when he was in his forties,

884
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:43,919
Speaker 5: early forties, thirty nine to forty Yeah.

885
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're easing the big sandwiches in the jungle room.

886
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:50,360
Speaker 2: So look, how do you run an Elvis impersonate a competition?

887
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 2: Do you get one song? Do you all sing the

888
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:52,399
Speaker 2: same song?

889
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 5: Do you okay?

890
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 8: No?

891
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 5: It works like this. So what happens is there's a

892
00:46:56,360 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 5: there's an Elvis Prisonly authorized Elvis Prisonly Enterprise authorized band

893
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 5: in Australia. They're based in Adelaide and they tour and

894
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 5: just do Elvis presley mainly Elvis Presley competitions, and they're very,

895
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 5: very good. And so what you do is you submit

896
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:15,760
Speaker 5: twelve songs, four songs for each round. There's the heats,

897
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:18,359
Speaker 5: the semi finals when they go down from twenty one

898
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 5: to eight, and then they pick eight and then they

899
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 5: pick five and then that goes to the final. And

900
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 5: you've got to put in twelve songs. They can all

901
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 5: be they're all different songs and different genres. And you've

902
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:30,720
Speaker 5: got to dress. You've got to wear the right costume

903
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 5: and the right ring and on the right finger, and

904
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 5: you know all of that.

905
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 2: You've got to go the whole nine. Yeah, I totally

906
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 2: get this. So you're entering, So what do you reckon?

907
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,800
Speaker 2: Your chances are? Are you confident? Are you nervous?

908
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 17: Are you?

909
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 2: Are you all shook up?

910
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 5: All shook up?

911
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 6: All right?

912
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 5: It's been a long time coming for me. I've applied

913
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 5: three times before and been successful this time so and

914
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 5: unfortunately for me, it's one of the toughest years to

915
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 5: try and qualify. But for me personally, if I was

916
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 5: to go through to the top ten or the top

917
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 5: eight from the first round, I'd be over the moon

918
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 5: because those guys are very good.

919
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 2: Very good, well look, we wish you all the best

920
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 2: of luck. Thank you, thank you very much, Thank you

921
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 2: very much. Can you do that for me?

922
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:12,839
Speaker 5: Thank you, thank you very much, Thank you baby, thank

923
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:13,359
Speaker 5: you very much.

924
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 2: There we go. Okay, time for a little less conversation,

925
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 2: a bit more action. I got to go, got to

926
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 2: play some ads and you've got to go rehearse. Thank

927
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 2: you for your time.

928
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 1: The name you trust to get the answers you need,

929
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 1: it's Andrew dickens on hither dupless. They ellen drive with

930
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:30,240
Speaker 1: one New Zealand coverage like no one else use talks.

931
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:33,319
Speaker 2: They'd be sports huddles on the way. So we'll get

932
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 2: a little bit looser, even more looser. We just had

933
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 2: an Elvis impersonator on. That's pretty loose for a Friday text.

934
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 2: He from re saying, Andrew covering anything on Willy Jackson

935
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 2: this afternoon, asking for a friend, and I thank you.

936
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 2: Recall I did cover the Willy Jackson and the Medico

937
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 2: Urban Mary Authority thing a little earlier this week, and

938
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 2: I said it's a very difficult thing because of legal aspects,

939
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 2: which is what has slowed down the story. Either from

940
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 2: Tobah O'Brien, and now we see that Audrey Young has

941
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 2: put out a story. It's been legally checked and you

942
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 2: can if you want to know the story, and you

943
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,359
Speaker 2: don't know the story, well it's all there in black

944
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 2: and white with Audrey Young. Now, as heither said this morning,

945
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 2: it's a difficult story to actually comprehend. It's a falling

946
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 2: out between Willie Jackson and Matt mccarton. But here's the thing.

947
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 2: Why is it important? And people have struggled with that,

948
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 2: and the reason it is important is the Monico Urban

949
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 2: Malady Authority has received money from the taxpayers, much like

950
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:32,320
Speaker 2: the Wiperira Trust and other trust all around New Zealand,

951
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 2: including one in Wellington, they have received money. So this

952
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:38,359
Speaker 2: is the concern. So the story is developing and don't

953
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 2: you worry about it, and we are covering it, and

954
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 2: if you want to know more about it, Audrey has

955
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 2: written about it and she's done it the proper way,

956
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 2: and she's done it in a way that the story

957
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 2: will get out fully and not harshly. So there we go,

958
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 2: Sports Tunnel on the way, my Christmas shopping on the

959
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:56,840
Speaker 2: way and more. You're on new storyb.

960
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:12,280
Speaker 17: You brother, you do your.

961
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 6: On your smart speaker on the iHeart app.

962
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 1: And in your car on your drive home, it's Andrew

963
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 1: Dickens on Hither duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand

964
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 1: and the power of satellite mobile news talks that'd.

965
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:32,800
Speaker 17: Be on the streets is coming and Braindy is dying

966
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 17: through this castle.

967
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:39,840
Speaker 6: I should been making a listen Anna a little missuser.

968
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 2: There is Justin Bieber simpering his way through a Christmas

969
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 2: carol talking about flying reindeers. Jay's Christmas, isn't it? And

970
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 2: the time is now five thirty seven, so it's there

971
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 2: to say we're off, aren't we?

972
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:52,879
Speaker 6: Well?

973
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:56,360
Speaker 2: On holiday? It seems like everybody's sneaking off. I can

974
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 2: tell you today on Christmas News, I bought the last

975
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 2: of my Christmas pre I can report that the environment

976
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 2: was hectic. There were cars every which way battling for parks,

977
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:07,760
Speaker 2: and as we've heard this year, the car park battles

978
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 2: have been insane. People lying down in car parks, people

979
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 2: doing everything, fights everything. One in seven motorists reporting that

980
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 2: there's been argie bargie in the shopping mall car park.

981
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 2: And then if the cars weren't actually battling for the

982
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 2: parks and the malls, they were heading for the roads

983
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 2: to get out of town, so tonight might be a

984
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 2: bit full on on our roads. A whole lot of

985
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 2: frantic activity, I thought to myself. And I'm still working

986
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:35,360
Speaker 2: all the way till seven o'clock tonight. But the frantic

987
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 2: activity is a good thing, don't you think, because we're

988
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 2: all hoping for a return of retail confidence and maybe

989
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 2: this might be the best Christmas for the past a

990
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 2: little while setting up a good year. We have to hope.

991
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 2: So now here's the thing though, Now that I bought

992
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 2: all the presents, I have to smuggle them into the

993
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 2: house and I hate that. It is always stressful trying

994
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 2: to smuggle presents into a house without people seeing, making

995
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 2: the dash from the car hoping not to be seen.

996
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 2: You've got the presence behind your back. You then have

997
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:02,399
Speaker 2: to get in through the front door, hope nobody sees

998
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:04,359
Speaker 2: you then, and then get the presence hidden in your

999
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 2: favorite place, which I did earlier this week as well

1000
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 2: with the first trunch of presents. And then there was

1001
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 2: even more stress because the other day I caught my

1002
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:15,760
Speaker 2: life partner, her name by the way is Helen. Helen

1003
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 2: was vacuuming under the spare bed. I mean, don't do

1004
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:20,840
Speaker 2: that woman, No, do not do that. Stop that you

1005
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 2: may see something you won't want to see, which only

1006
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 2: made her more keen to see. And still it come

1007
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:29,880
Speaker 2: as the mad rush to then wrap the presence. You

1008
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:32,319
Speaker 2: wrap the presence when you get some time alone. It's

1009
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 2: never when you want it to be. You're never ready

1010
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:36,759
Speaker 2: to wrap the presence. But suddenly everybody's out of the

1011
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:38,800
Speaker 2: house to go quick. It's time to wrap the presence.

1012
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 2: And I don't know about you, but I am the

1013
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:43,280
Speaker 2: world's worst rapper. And this involves an awful lot of swearing,

1014
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 2: an awful lot of sellotape and wrapping paper. It's not pleasant. However,

1015
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:54,279
Speaker 2: we can safely say now the primary preparations are over all.

1016
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:56,479
Speaker 2: We have to worry about my household is the food

1017
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:58,880
Speaker 2: prep for the twenty five people who are coming to

1018
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:02,359
Speaker 2: our place on Christmas Day. And I just want to say,

1019
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 2: at this moment, Merry Christmas, New Zealand.

1020
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 18: It is worth it.

1021
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:11,880
Speaker 1: The Friday sports Tuddle with New Zealand Sufferby's International Realty,

1022
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 1: a name you can trust locally and globally.

1023
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 4: It's deal Alex Swarff has given it.

1024
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:29,720
Speaker 2: There are handshakes for Devin Conway from the West Indy's

1025
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:32,800
Speaker 2: same dismissed for two to two seven.

1026
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 19: This role was it's pretty special.

1027
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 17: You can't quite believe it, told Hennershon, it takes me

1028
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 17: after the court as it makes your head in writing.

1029
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 18: And that was a real Italiana.

1030
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 17: But like the players, is not a hardened coach.

1031
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 6: He's not.

1032
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 7: A coach with a wealth of experience.

1033
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 19: So I think you must be feeling it all right.

1034
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 2: Welcome to the sports huddle for this Friday, and on

1035
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:58,800
Speaker 2: our huddle Clay Wilson News Talks B Sports News Directum

1036
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 2: after Lintia Clay and also and Andrew. Also Nick Beuley,

1037
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 2: Newstalks A B. Cannibary Sports reader Nick Buley, good afternoon

1038
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 2: to you, Good afternoon, s Andrew. Gentlemen, Scott Wennik resigns

1039
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:14,319
Speaker 2: a head of New Zealand cricket. Is this the right

1040
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 2: move for cricket?

1041
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 18: Clay, Well, I'll tell you what first thing is, if

1042
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 18: you're a CEO of a sporting body in this country

1043
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 18: at the moment, you're kind of looking over your shoulder

1044
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:26,320
Speaker 18: as you move into the new year somewhat. But I

1045
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 18: think when you read and look into everything that's gone

1046
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:33,840
Speaker 18: into his resignation, you know this has been brewing for

1047
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 18: some times. Obviously been a lot of discussion recently about

1048
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:40,320
Speaker 18: the twenty twenty future, the future of twenty twenty in

1049
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:42,799
Speaker 18: this country, and a lot I know this is kind

1050
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 18: of brought it to a head, but I think the

1051
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:49,400
Speaker 18: kind of underlying perhaps mistrust is a good word from

1052
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:51,919
Speaker 18: the other key stakeholders in cricket in this country, which

1053
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 18: of course the major associations and the Players Association have

1054
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 18: a big role to play. He is clearly just a

1055
00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 18: lack of trust about in scot when going forward, and

1056
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 18: ultimately that's you know, if you don't have your two

1057
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 18: major stakeholders, don't trust your CEO, that's not going to

1058
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 18: bode well going forward for the game at all.

1059
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 2: Is this tough though for a sports administrator, especially to

1060
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:13,400
Speaker 2: sport like cricket neck because you know, you've got your clubs,

1061
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 2: you've got your schools, you've got your clubs, then you

1062
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 2: go to your regions, you know, and then you get

1063
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:20,400
Speaker 2: to the national team, and then you've got all the

1064
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:24,760
Speaker 2: international stuff as well. There are so many layers of stakeholders.

1065
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 17: Certainly are yeah, and then you've got a landscape where

1066
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 17: in terms of international cricket, where You've got the big

1067
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:35,239
Speaker 17: three in England, India, Australia and they really do what

1068
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:39,399
Speaker 17: they like. Broadly speaking, it is a really tricky one

1069
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 17: and that's not an isolated issue to cricket in terms

1070
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 17: of balancing up the issues of the amateur game versus

1071
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:47,360
Speaker 17: the professional game. I do feel a little bit of

1072
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 17: Scott Wennick. You know, this is a guy who's a

1073
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 17: cricket man through and through, has come from a first

1074
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 17: class cricket background as a player himself, He's worked his

1075
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 17: way up the ladder in the corporate world and this

1076
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 17: would have been something of a dream of him. I

1077
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 17: would have thought, coming in for David White, who was

1078
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 17: in the position for well over a decade. But as

1079
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 17: Clay sorul have alluded to, there, if you aren't sort

1080
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 17: of on the same ship as your six major associations

1081
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 17: around the country and probably the players Association is a

1082
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 17: big one. And I mean we could talk about players

1083
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 17: associations for well beyond this the Lord's Hudle alone. But

1084
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 17: the power that a players association wields in this day

1085
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 17: and age is significant, and if you can't get on

1086
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Speaker 17: board or can't massage that relationship somehow, it is increasingly tricky,

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Speaker 17: as I say, in this day and age, as we

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Speaker 17: enter twenty twenty six to move anything forward. So as

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Speaker 17: I say, feel a little bit for Scott Weening, but

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Speaker 17: it's sort of he's probably done the right thing and

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Speaker 17: looking at his statement here, you've got to respect that

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Speaker 17: he's seen the bigger picture and understood that best for

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Speaker 17: crickets for him to step out of the way.

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Speaker 2: Okay, are you seeing it awful lot more than i?

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Speaker 2: Clay Wilson, Can I ask you as news talk to

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Speaker 2: be sport news director the big teams in the sports department,

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Speaker 2: Are we in the public and media owned an explanation

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Speaker 2: about what's going on? Because it's very hard to figure

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Speaker 2: out what's going on.

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Speaker 18: I think I think to a degree we are. You know,

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Speaker 18: you have to look at these organizations. These are these

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Speaker 18: are big sports, and you know sports that also received,

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Speaker 18: especially in netball's case, quite a lot of government funding,

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Speaker 18: public money, but also just the big sports in this country.

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Speaker 18: There's a lot of people that participate, volunteer, play a

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Speaker 18: part in this. And you know, you only have to

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Speaker 18: go on to any number of social media posts about

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Speaker 18: these things and you can pick up a public sentiment

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Speaker 18: of people wanting answers, and you know, the Netball case

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Speaker 18: particularly has been something where the lack of information and

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Speaker 18: you know, perhaps some people feeling informations being withheld where

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Speaker 18: it's not necessary has really frustrated and angered people. And

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Speaker 18: I think it's it's perhaps in some ways led to,

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Speaker 18: especially in the netball case, you know, Jenny Wiley, and

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Speaker 18: the pressure that's built on the eventual resignation, because because

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Speaker 18: the public becomes the public, one answers the public one

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Speaker 18: at least the drop of information, and when when there's

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Speaker 18: nothing coming through, and while there's a delicate situation, sometimes

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Speaker 18: you know, not all information can be presented, and that

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Speaker 18: be fair on all the parties. Just the complete lack

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Speaker 18: of any kind of information frustrates people, and once you start,

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Speaker 18: once you start losing the public, it becomes very hard

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Speaker 18: to pull that back.

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Speaker 17: Just gentlemen, I mean, I mean the dressing up with

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Speaker 17: some PR statements to suggest that Scott Wen's just been

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Speaker 17: on holiday with his kids just because the school holidays

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Speaker 17: started a couple of weeks ago.

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Speaker 1: It's just lenacy.

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Speaker 17: So I like, I just need to call that out now,

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Speaker 17: Like we're none of our listeners here on news Storks

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Speaker 17: the'd be no, that's the case, Like we just need

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Speaker 17: to be mature about these things. And I think the public,

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Speaker 17: as Clay says there, I just owed a little bit

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Speaker 17: of trans is he can't go into all the nitty

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Speaker 17: gritty of mediation, but just say he's having mediation like

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Speaker 17: it happens.

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Speaker 2: All right, Nick, and I thank you you know what.

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Speaker 2: Of course, the name Jenny Wiley came up and I

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Speaker 2: was going to ask you, both of you, gentlemen, exactly

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Speaker 2: the same question I asked about Scott Winnick. Jenny Wiley

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Speaker 2: resigns as it's the right move for netball. Are we

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Speaker 2: in the public and media oded explanation about what's going on?

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Speaker 2: I'd say the answer is probably yes. It is now

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Speaker 2: fifteen to.

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Speaker 1: Six the Friday Sports title with New Zealand South of

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Speaker 2: And on the HDD of Clay Wills to the Nick Burley. Now, gentlemen,

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00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:40,360
Speaker 2: we've got the Phoenix playing the Mariners, and if they lose,

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Speaker 2: is Chiefy gone? I mean, how much trouble is Chiefy?

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Speaker 2: And certainly I would say he'd be very very close

1152
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 2: because the records over the last thirty game is not

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Speaker 2: good and I'll go to clayfirst.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, I mean, I think this is the first time

1155
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Speaker 18: we've really seen John call I'll Tellian to come under

1156
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 18: a fire. Of course, the season before last, before Aukland

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Speaker 18: the ce into the competition, the Phoenix had a great

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01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:08,480
Speaker 18: season and you know, everything was was rosy. Although they

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Speaker 18: didn't go on to win the title, one of the

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Speaker 18: better seasons for a long time. Aukland have come into

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Speaker 18: the competition. The Phoenix, you know, really fall off, the

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Speaker 18: fall off the mantle a bit last year and that's

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Speaker 18: continued into this year. And I think you know, he came,

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Speaker 18: He's come out during the week saying he doesn't feel

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Speaker 18: under pressure. He feels like it's still retrievable. But once

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Speaker 18: a coach is starting to talk about that, you know

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01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:32,200
Speaker 18: there there is certainly, you know, the pressure. The pressure

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01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:35,040
Speaker 18: is palpable for someone like now, are they still in

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01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 18: the mix and theory? Yes, but the way the team's

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Speaker 18: been playing and the signs that they've been showing, well

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01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:45,800
Speaker 18: the lack of perhaps doesn't look like there's a lot there.

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01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 18: Now will the will the Phoenix show some some faith

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Speaker 18: in him, perhaps, but one of the other options out

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Speaker 18: there for them I guess is perhaps none of the

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01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 18: question as well, but there's certainly, you know, football, like

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Speaker 18: no other sport, does the pressure come on a coach

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Speaker 18: or manager. You don't have to look across now this

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01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 18: is in Europe and England, but I think in football

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Speaker 18: that's always the case. The manager is the first hit

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Speaker 18: on the block.

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Speaker 2: I think if there's in a bigger league elsewhere, he'd

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Speaker 2: be gone already. That's my own personal opinion. So here's

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Speaker 2: the thing, Nick Billy. Is Chiefy the problem or is

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01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 2: the problem? They're young players, many of whom have come

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Speaker 2: straight from the academy, and they've been very proud of

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Speaker 2: the fact that they've homegrown and they've got these young players.

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Speaker 14: Is it?

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Speaker 2: Is it chief or is it the players?

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Speaker 17: Yes, it's a tricky question and it's probably had to

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Speaker 17: sort of a portion blame across the speech um and

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01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:40,680
Speaker 17: you know, like in any high performance sport, just you know,

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Speaker 17: following the Phoenix. Over the last few weeks as well,

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Speaker 17: they've had their injury concerns. I know they've had suspensions

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01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:48,920
Speaker 17: that that hasn't helped their case either. I just think

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Speaker 17: there's there's heightened awareness of their plight because of how

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Speaker 17: poorly they're going in the Derby since Auckland C. I

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Speaker 17: honestly don't think on a national radio station right now

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Speaker 17: where we talk about the Wellington Phoenix so much if

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Speaker 17: it wasn't for the fact that they haven't been, you know,

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Speaker 17: near Auckland f C and the and the Derby so

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Speaker 17: far since Aukland f c's introduction. So it's a it's

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Speaker 17: a tricky spot for Jean Callo Italiana to be in.

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Speaker 17: But look, they're on the eight games in the season

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Speaker 17: as well, so I think you'll be given a little

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Speaker 17: bit of rope.

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Speaker 2: Okay, football is an easy game. You just have to win,

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Speaker 2: and Auckland FC is only one team and there seems

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Speaker 2: to be a lot of others that seem to be

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Speaker 2: able to beat the Phoenix. I reckon they lose heart,

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Speaker 2: their heads go down far too quickly that I watched

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Speaker 2: the last game, they were great, but then as soon

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Speaker 2: as the tide turned they were not so much. Wouldnety

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Speaker 2: Hanson is the new Black Ferns coach and she of

1214
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Speaker 2: course is the daughter of Scott who used to be

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Speaker 2: the Steve sorry Steve, who used to be the excuse me,

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Speaker 2: who used to be the all backs coach. She's good,

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Speaker 2: isn't she Clay?

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Speaker 18: Yeah, And I think the thing with someone like Wendy

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Speaker 18: Henson is she's you know that they had an opportunity,

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Speaker 18: perhaps earlier on, to push her into this role sooner,

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Speaker 18: but she's really, at least from what I've what I've witnessed,

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Speaker 18: she's she's done a proper apprenticeship here and she's gone

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Speaker 18: and got experience as an assistant coach, not just within

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Speaker 18: the Black Ferns but elsewhere. She's moved into the superagio

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Speaker 18: opicky space as well. And obviously with Alan Bunting stepping down,

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Speaker 18: she seems like one of the you know, the strongest candidates.

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Speaker 18: And Nick will have a bit more intel on this,

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Speaker 18: obviously being from down based in that part of the country,

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Speaker 18: but it just appears like she she has really done

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Speaker 18: her time and learned her trade. Now, of course, the

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Speaker 18: proof will be in the pudding. This Black Ferns team

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Speaker 18: had its struggles and you know, of course at the

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Speaker 18: World Cup didn't care on past those semi finals. But

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Speaker 18: you know, she certainly hasn't been rushed into this role

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Speaker 18: as soon as she could have. So let's see if

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Speaker 18: that that kind of apprenticeship she's done will payoffs.

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Speaker 2: She's worked long and hard and actually produced the results

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Speaker 2: and she is very good at it though, Nick, you've

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Speaker 2: got to say and tell us about her. But also

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Speaker 2: it is good that the Black Friend's coach is a woman.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, no, I agree, I think you know, I mean

1242
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Speaker 17: an inline at work. You don't want to pick someone

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Speaker 17: based on their gender or diversity, but this is a

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Speaker 17: case where this is someone very deserving of it. As

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Speaker 17: Clay's mentioned, who's done the time. When the job came

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Speaker 17: up last time around, her name was sort of banded around,

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Speaker 17: having been an assistant coach when the Black Frians won

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Speaker 17: the World Cup under Wayne Smith. She found at the

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Speaker 17: time she wasn't ready to be a head coach down

1250
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Speaker 17: here in Canterbury Country. With Muttative and the Super Rugby Opicky,

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Speaker 17: she's very much led the program not only as a

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Speaker 17: head coach on the grass but basically under the title

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Speaker 17: of head of rugby. So it's stood up a lot

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Speaker 17: behind the scenes in terms of sort of setting up

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Speaker 17: the foundations, the culture, everything you need to have a

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Speaker 17: successful high performance environment. So I think it's a very

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Speaker 17: smart appointment and it says a lot actually too, Gents

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Speaker 17: that Tony Christie, who was another name sort of banded

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Speaker 17: about as a current assistant coach, is actually staying on

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Speaker 17: as an assistant coach to work with Hanson. So look,

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Speaker 17: I'm really excited for the future of the Black fans

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Speaker 17: Underwhtney Hanson. I think it's a really really good appointment.

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Speaker 2: Good stuff, gentlemen. I thank you. That is Nick Bewley

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Speaker 2: out of Canterbury at of course Clay Wilson, Big Boss Boy,

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Speaker 2: out of Auckland. And it is now six to six.

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Speaker 2: News Talk zeb B. Meanwhile, in the cricket, the Western

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Speaker 2: Indies are seventy two without loss. Of course they're chasing

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Speaker 2: five hundred and sixty eight after the black Caps declared

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Speaker 2: and that sell seventy six for no loss. I have

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Speaker 2: a funny thing. This Bay over wicket is getting a

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Speaker 2: bit benign and this could be a long and boring test,

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Speaker 2: but we'll wait to see about that.

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Speaker 8: Now.

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Speaker 2: On the way, we're going to talk about lawyers and

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Speaker 2: lawyers are going on strike and normally people go, what,

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Speaker 2: we don't care, what are lawyer's going on strike for

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Speaker 2: but these are important boys. These are the duty lawyers.

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Speaker 2: So if you get if you get in trouble and

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Speaker 2: you end out before the beak and you don't have money,

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01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:06,880
Speaker 2: you can't actually you know, phone your local King's counsel

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Speaker 2: or your local barrister who may charge you five, six, seven, eight,

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Speaker 2: sometimes one thousand, sometimes more an hour. You have to

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Speaker 2: rely on the duty lawyers. And they are the ones

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Speaker 2: who represent anyone appearing in court who cannot afford legal representation.

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Speaker 2: And they haven't had a pay rise in what appears

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01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:26,000
Speaker 2: to be decades, and they've had enough and they're not

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Speaker 2: going to take it anymore, and they're going to go

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Speaker 2: on strike. So we'll talk to Dennis Ansley, who is

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Speaker 2: a duty lawyer, about just how underpaid he is. And

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Speaker 2: I'm very proud, I'm very happy that he's happy to

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Speaker 2: talk about that because it's quite embarrassing news us. Next

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Speaker 2: That be good evening to you. Welcome on in on

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Speaker 2: the nineteenth of December. Still become Barry sober rhaps a

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Speaker 2: political week. We've got some showbiz for you. We'll go

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Speaker 2: to Asia with Peter Lewis and the UK with Gavin

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Speaker 2: grab First. Duty lawyers are going on strike next month.

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Speaker 2: Duty lawyers, as I said before, the duce of the lawyers,

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Speaker 2: whose services are available to anyone appearing in court, mainly

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Speaker 2: including those who cannot afford legal representation. They've been caught

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Speaker 2: for something, they're into the process. They don't have family, friends,

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Speaker 2: mates or contacts. They can't just phone a lawyer, they

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Speaker 2: can't afford a lawyer. So there's the duty lawyer who's

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Speaker 2: right there and signed to them by the court. Now,

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Speaker 2: the Criminal Bar Association says duty lawyers often have massive,

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Speaker 2: complex workloads and of course they are paid much much

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Speaker 2: less than those in private practice. And now they're going

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Speaker 2: to go on strike. Dennis Ansley is a duty lawyer

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Speaker 2: and it joins me. Now, Hello Dennis, Hi, how are

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Speaker 2: you good? Thank you for your for your work. You

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Speaker 2: help a lot of people who are in a difficult situation.

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Speaker 2: And how underpaid are you?

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Speaker 19: Can I first of all correct you. It's not a strike.

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Speaker 19: What we're doing is taking industrial action by not making

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Speaker 19: ourselves available for one week in January.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you're you're a lawyer. You know the specificity of

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Speaker 2: a statement more than I do. So okay, you're taking

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Speaker 2: industrial action. If you're going to take a week off,

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Speaker 2: how underpaid are you?

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Speaker 19: Okay, I'll give you a rundown. In nineteen ninety six,

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Speaker 19: we're on eighty dollars an hour. That's the last time

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Speaker 19: we had an increase from the government directly through the budget.

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Speaker 19: Well actually I'm not sure it was through the budget,

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Speaker 19: but from the government.

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Speaker 18: We got a in years ago.

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Speaker 2: Hold on, did you say nineteen eighty four, ninety six?

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Speaker 2: Oh sorry, nineteen ninety six, Yeah, eighty dollars an hour,

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Speaker 2: and nothing's changed until now twenty times.

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Speaker 19: Sorry. We went from eighty dollars to eighty eight dollars

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Speaker 19: in nineteen ninety six. After that, two years ago we

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Speaker 19: got an increase through the Legal Services Commissioner, not the government.

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Speaker 19: But now we're on one hundred and three dollars an

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Speaker 19: hour and that hasn't changed. Private practice, of course, is

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Speaker 19: a lot more than that, and we don't expect to

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Speaker 19: get anywhere there's private practice, you know, but we're just

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Speaker 19: like a reasonable rate of pay given the complex match

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Speaker 19: of our job and the way it's changed over the years,

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Speaker 19: it's become far more difficult. You know, we're dealing with

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Speaker 19: addiction issues, mental health issues, and management issues. We get

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Speaker 19: verbally abused on a daily basis. Some of my colleagues

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Speaker 19: have been physically abused quite seriously. So we're dealing with

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Speaker 19: a far more complex type of client.

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Speaker 2: So why are you doing this, because it's obviously not

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Speaker 2: for the money. It must be for some sense of

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Speaker 2: community service within you.

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Speaker 19: Well, of course there's a large part of it is

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Speaker 19: community service. Otherwise we'd be, you know, working as private lawyers.

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Speaker 19: But what we want is the recognition that we deserve.

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Speaker 19: And the government says the communists platitudes. They say, we

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Speaker 19: value work. We thank you very much for the for

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Speaker 19: the work you do with frontline lawyers. We're dealing with

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Speaker 19: difficult clients, but they don't come to the party. And

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Speaker 19: what's happened over the years with the budget is that

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Speaker 19: other legal aid providers have always been included in pay increases.

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Speaker 19: Duty lawyers have never been included in a government budget

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Speaker 19: to my knowledge, So there's no recognition directly from the

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Speaker 19: government about the value of our job. I mean, what

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Speaker 19: we're earning now. Also, what we're earning now, yes, is

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Speaker 19: far the dollar goes so less than it used to

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Speaker 19: than when we were paid you know, the rates in

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Speaker 19: nineteen ninety six and after that. So all we want

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Speaker 19: is something reasonable to recognize the importance of what we

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Speaker 19: do and the complex nature of the job.

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Speaker 2: It does seem bizarre that other sectors under the jurisdiction

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Speaker 2: of the Ministry of Justice have had a somewhat better deal.

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Speaker 2: Why you guys been singled out and what sort of

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Speaker 2: reasons are they giving to not give you a pay

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Speaker 2: rise over all this period of time.

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Speaker 19: We haven't been given reasons. I've asked the minister in

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Speaker 19: the previous government. I've asked Port Goldsmith, the minister in

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Speaker 19: this government. I've not got any answers to that question.

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Speaker 19: For some reason, they think junior lawyers can just keep

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Speaker 19: doing it. No, because we haven't really picked up think

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Speaker 19: about it, and we've fit up. You know, we've been

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Speaker 19: fobbed off basically, and we're just basically now saying, well,

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Speaker 19: we're going to take a stand. We're going to let

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Speaker 19: you know that this is serious and we want you

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Speaker 19: to listen to us, and we'd like to talk to

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Speaker 19: you the Minister is not offering anything. In this last

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Speaker 19: letter to me, he said, well, I'm not sure what's

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Speaker 19: going to happen with the budgets. We might do something

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Speaker 19: next year. You know, there's no commits at all from

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Speaker 19: the government to looking at our pay rates. And the

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Speaker 19: problem too, is that we gets harder and harder to

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Speaker 19: attract duty lawyers to the roster because of the pay rates,

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Speaker 19: because of the job conditions. So the numbers on the

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Speaker 19: duty roster are diminishing, and yet our client base is increasing.

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Speaker 19: So it's going to get to the point where there's

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Speaker 19: just not enough duty lawyers to go around, and then

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Speaker 19: therefore people who can't afford a lawyer are going to

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Speaker 19: miss out, and that's the people at the bottom of

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Speaker 19: the heat.

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Speaker 2: I was about to say, how important is it for

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Speaker 2: our justice system to work that duty lawyers are paid

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Speaker 2: enough to carry on in the job.

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Speaker 19: It's very important, it is. And as I say, we're

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Speaker 19: not expecting a fortune, but we're just like a decent

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Speaker 19: amount of money for what we're doing, just the recognition

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Speaker 19: that's what we need because.

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Speaker 18: It is a hard job.

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Speaker 20: We do enjoy it.

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Speaker 1: We do it.

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Speaker 19: As you say, it's a community service factor. Involved, otherwise

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Speaker 19: we'd all be working privately. So it is not a

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Speaker 19: problem there. We have the commitment and the motivation. We

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Speaker 19: just want the backing on the government in terms of recognition,

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Speaker 19: not just platitudes. We actually want something hard and fast.

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Speaker 2: It's early days, obviously, but in announcing this industrial action

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Speaker 2: over that week, have you felt as though they may

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Speaker 2: be willing to start to talk.

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Speaker 19: No, I've had nothing, no indication whatsoever from that nothing.

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Speaker 19: I haven't had anything from the minister since September and

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Speaker 19: that letter was really just a fob off.

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, look, look, can I just say I

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Speaker 2: totally respect to work, and I've seen duty lawyers work,

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Speaker 2: and I know how hard you work, and I know

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Speaker 2: you have to deal with some very messy situations that

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Speaker 2: other members of the silk wouldn't even touch with the

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Speaker 2: badge pole. That somebody has to do it, and you

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Speaker 2: are doing it, and so thank you so much for

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Speaker 2: your community service and I wish you all the best.

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Speaker 2: Lucky will keep on following this story. A couple of

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Speaker 2: textas are coming and coming. Wow, one hundred dollars an

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Speaker 2: hour though this guy, and in a way for some

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Speaker 2: people that might see quite a lot of money. But

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Speaker 2: you realize these guys have done four five years of

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Speaker 2: tertiary training, they've done their professional gears, they've got their experience.

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Speaker 2: They are dealing with some of the most complex things

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Speaker 2: for some of the most difficult clients, and they're working

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Speaker 2: insane hours and in fact, one hundred dollars an hour.

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Speaker 2: Every other lawyer would just be They wouldn't even they

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Speaker 2: wouldn't even do up one shoe for that. It is

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Speaker 2: our six fifteen Barry Soper for the final time this year.

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Speaker 2: Next here on News Talks HEB.

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Speaker 2: Well, summer holiday travelers almost here for some people that've

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Speaker 2: already started. You know that airports are getting busier. Today's

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Speaker 2: the crazy day. One of the most common items that

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Speaker 2: can cause a delay at security screening is incorrectly packed

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Speaker 2: spare lithium batteries, including power banks and vapes and lithi batteries.

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Speaker 2: These days, they're everywhere. They power everything phones and drones

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Speaker 2: and cameras and e readers and even the small charging

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Speaker 2: cases that come with your earbuds and hearing aids and

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Speaker 2: as as one of these items are Lithium batteries have

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Speaker 2: hidden dangers. They can catch fire, they can explode, they

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Speaker 2: can leak dangerous chemicals, especially if they're damaged or overheated,

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Speaker 2: and so while this is rare, those incidents do happen,

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Speaker 2: and the risk is far more serious if something were

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Speaker 2: to happen out of sight in an aircraft's cargo hold

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Speaker 2: while you're at thirty five thousand feet, which is why

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Speaker 2: the Civil Aviation Authority is reminding travelers at power banks

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Speaker 2: and spare lithium batteries must be kept in your carry

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Speaker 2: on only where trained crew can deal with issues quickly

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Speaker 2: in safety safely, like if they suddenly explode on it.

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Speaker 2: So to avoid hold ups, check your bags before you

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Speaker 2: leave home. It's everyone's job to have a safe flight

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Speaker 2: that begins with what you pack. And if you want

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Speaker 2: more information about lithium batteries, check with your airline or

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Speaker 2: slash Packsmart. It's aviation dot govt dot Nz slash Packsmart.

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Speaker 2: Andrew Dicks to review the week for the final time

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Speaker 2: this year. Barry, So for good evening to you, Hello

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Speaker 2: again to you too, and so let's review the political

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Speaker 2: weekend a little bit of the year, if that's all

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Speaker 2: right with you. So, of course this massacre on Bondai

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Speaker 2: Beach has dominated the past week.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, it's sort of unbelievable, isn't it. I mean, I remember,

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Speaker 9: you know, of course the mosque shooting and New Zealanders

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Speaker 9: were so aghast at that, and of course there were

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Speaker 9: many more people killed and that than that were in

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Speaker 9: Bondai Beach. But the anti Semitism thing is dreadful in Australia.

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Speaker 9: I think this is going to prove a big problem

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Speaker 9: for Albanesi, the Prime Minister, because you know, a lot

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Speaker 9: has come out about things not being done that should

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Speaker 9: have been done. And here in New Zealand, the level

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Speaker 9: of threat remains that an attack could happen at any time.

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Speaker 9: So that's where our threat level is. And I think

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Speaker 9: New Zealand, unlike Australia, has done quite a lot post

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Speaker 9: the mosque shootings and the anti Semitism thing that's going

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Speaker 9: on around the world, so you know, hopefully nothing like

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Speaker 9: that could ever possibly happen in this country, but we've

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Speaker 9: seen that before. And don't forget though, Brenton Tarrant, the

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Speaker 9: terrorists that killed the mosque. The people in the mosque

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Speaker 9: was an Australian.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, and Albanezi, it's fair to say, for the

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Speaker 2: last two years had oh, she'll be right attitude towards

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Speaker 2: the whole thing. He was worn. Bib warned him, who

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Speaker 2: warned him, other people warned him. We had headlines about it,

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Speaker 2: We had correspondence on this program about it all the time,

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Speaker 2: saying the rise of anti Semitism, and they did nothing

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Speaker 2: about it. It is difficult. It is whack a mole

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Speaker 2: and the moles are ghosts. But at the same time,

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Speaker 2: he could have done so much more. Absolutely so, We've

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Speaker 2: got some good economic news to end the year. And

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Speaker 2: I'm sure Christopher Luxen, my special guest on Monday and

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Speaker 2: the Breakfast Show, Oh years, I'm sure he is absolutely

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Speaker 2: toughed because this might save his election.

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Speaker 9: Well, yes, it's good and bad news. This week, wasn't

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Speaker 9: it The HIFU, the half yearly fiscal update That wasn't

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Speaker 9: such good news, and it saw Nikola Willis having to

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Speaker 9: push out the surplus again. That was highly expected though

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Speaker 9: by most, and nobody had really picked that the economy

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01:18:15,680 --> 01:18:17,840
Speaker 9: for the third quarter was going to grow by one

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01:18:17,920 --> 01:18:20,600
Speaker 9: point one percent. Now, you know, that's higher than what

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Speaker 9: the Australians have been able to achieve in their third

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01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:27,200
Speaker 9: quarter zero point four percent, and the UK, which is

1513
01:18:27,280 --> 01:18:28,679
Speaker 9: going through a hell of a time at the moment

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Speaker 9: zero point one percent.

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Speaker 2: It's as high as China.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, no, it's I think we've you know, and it's

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01:18:35,240 --> 01:18:37,599
Speaker 9: great that it's happened at this time of the year

1518
01:18:37,680 --> 01:18:41,800
Speaker 9: because when this sort of things happen, thing happens, it's

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01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:45,680
Speaker 9: the good news that motivates people and makes them much

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01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:48,280
Speaker 9: more positive. And I think we've been through the doldrums

1521
01:18:48,680 --> 01:18:52,200
Speaker 9: since Adrian or forced the recession on us, and now

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01:18:52,280 --> 01:18:55,240
Speaker 9: we can look forward to, hopefully for many many people

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01:18:55,280 --> 01:18:55,799
Speaker 9: at better.

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Speaker 8: Time next year. Well.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, sentiment drives everything. When we talk about confidence, whether

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01:18:59,439 --> 01:19:02,800
Speaker 2: it's consumer confidence or retail confidence or investment confidence, it's

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01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:07,040
Speaker 2: about confidence. It's just a feeling. And I have felt

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01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:09,840
Speaker 2: that perhaps we've sat on our hands a bit waiting

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01:19:09,920 --> 01:19:12,400
Speaker 2: to feel as though the time is right, and finally

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01:19:12,439 --> 01:19:14,160
Speaker 2: we've decided the time is right and so let's go.

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01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:18,160
Speaker 2: So that's great news as well. So the Mega Ministry

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01:19:18,560 --> 01:19:23,920
Speaker 2: m search. We made a Mega ministry once before MB

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01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:27,320
Speaker 2: and that turned out to be loose.

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01:19:27,479 --> 01:19:31,280
Speaker 9: Well, it's being superseded by now it's going even bigger.

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01:19:31,320 --> 01:19:33,200
Speaker 2: And the problem with MB is that the left hand

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01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:34,760
Speaker 2: wasn't talking to the right hand. How do we know

1537
01:19:34,880 --> 01:19:37,240
Speaker 2: that now with one ministry the left hand and the

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01:19:37,320 --> 01:19:38,400
Speaker 2: right hand are actually going to talk.

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01:19:38,520 --> 01:19:41,600
Speaker 9: Well that's an issue, isn't it. And look, this is

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01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:46,120
Speaker 9: really the work of Sir Brian Roach, the State Services Commissioner,

1541
01:19:46,200 --> 01:19:48,519
Speaker 9: even though the government obviously claims credit for it. But

1542
01:19:49,640 --> 01:19:51,639
Speaker 9: there would be many that would say that the public

1543
01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:54,680
Speaker 9: service should have been pruned much more than it was

1544
01:19:54,840 --> 01:19:59,519
Speaker 9: an additional fourteen thousand public servants under the labor three

1545
01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:03,880
Speaker 9: years that they were in government unbridled power. So what

1546
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:07,439
Speaker 9: they've got to do here, clearly is these ministries that

1547
01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:11,720
Speaker 9: are coming under the umbrella the INSERT, the chief executives

1548
01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:14,880
Speaker 9: they'll no longer have their roles. There will be one

1549
01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:19,800
Speaker 9: chief executive of the INSERT and there will be imagine,

1550
01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:24,000
Speaker 9: totally a pruning of numbers, although the government is reluctant

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01:20:24,040 --> 01:20:27,040
Speaker 9: to say anything about that, but that will inevitably come

1552
01:20:27,080 --> 01:20:27,840
Speaker 9: as a result of this.

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01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:30,360
Speaker 2: The first thing about government though, is that yes they've

1554
01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:32,800
Speaker 2: been cutting numbers, but then this government has also been

1555
01:20:32,840 --> 01:20:36,240
Speaker 2: increasing numbers in other areas because it needs strengthening, which

1556
01:20:36,320 --> 01:20:40,120
Speaker 2: means that the total drop of people around about fourteen hundred,

1557
01:20:40,160 --> 01:20:42,280
Speaker 2: when it could have been much much more. But they

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01:20:42,320 --> 01:20:44,680
Speaker 2: employed some more. But if you argue why did you

1559
01:20:44,720 --> 01:20:47,519
Speaker 2: employ those guys, they go, well, we had to because

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01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:48,559
Speaker 2: that's governable.

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Speaker 9: Well, it's always the boombust of three year election cycles.

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01:20:51,400 --> 01:20:54,200
Speaker 9: I will say that, you know, Labour takes a lot

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01:20:54,240 --> 01:20:57,479
Speaker 9: of public servants on national tends to prune it. But

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01:20:57,600 --> 01:21:00,840
Speaker 9: we see consultants then making hay all the sunshines.

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01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:03,320
Speaker 2: You watched all the Christmas wind up speeches in the house.

1566
01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:04,880
Speaker 2: Who was the best?

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01:21:04,920 --> 01:21:09,519
Speaker 9: Well, I thought the classic was certainly. I think Chris

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01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:14,120
Speaker 9: Luxon took the prize for the best. What I liked

1569
01:21:14,320 --> 01:21:18,000
Speaker 9: particularly was the line that he had about Winston Peters.

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01:21:18,240 --> 01:21:21,680
Speaker 9: He's done a sterling job representing New Zealand on the

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01:21:21,720 --> 01:21:26,040
Speaker 9: world stage. He's actually such a dedicated foreign minister that

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01:21:26,200 --> 01:21:29,600
Speaker 9: he's mastered French. And every time I post something on

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01:21:29,720 --> 01:21:33,519
Speaker 9: social media, he replies, I.

1574
01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:35,600
Speaker 2: Don't know who wrote it. I don't know who wrote it,

1575
01:21:35,640 --> 01:21:37,800
Speaker 2: but there's a public servant who could actually get a

1576
01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:41,240
Speaker 2: pay rise exactly. Barry Merry christ is to you had

1577
01:21:41,320 --> 01:21:42,400
Speaker 2: to kids and.

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01:21:42,520 --> 01:21:45,000
Speaker 9: All yours, Andrew and our listeners.

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01:21:45,080 --> 01:21:48,720
Speaker 2: Of course, good man Barry Soper. He'll be back next year.

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01:21:49,120 --> 01:21:49,439
Speaker 17: All right.

1581
01:21:49,520 --> 01:21:51,080
Speaker 2: Have you wondered what Tom Cruise is up to. I

1582
01:21:51,200 --> 01:21:52,840
Speaker 2: can tell you he's making a film with the guy

1583
01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:54,760
Speaker 2: who made The Revenant. The Revenant is one of my

1584
01:21:54,840 --> 01:21:57,520
Speaker 2: favorite films. Anyway, more details.

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Speaker 6: Next, approaching the numbers and getting the results.

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01:22:01,439 --> 01:22:04,920
Speaker 1: It's Andrew Dickens on the Business Hour with MAS Motor

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01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:05,839
Speaker 1: Vehicle Insurance.

1588
01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:09,120
Speaker 6: Your future is in good hands. Used talks that'd.

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01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:11,280
Speaker 2: Be six twenty seven on the issue of the duty

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01:22:11,360 --> 01:22:13,479
Speaker 2: lawyers played one hundred and eight bucks an hour. Peter

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01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:16,680
Speaker 2: rides one hundred of an hour is not a wage off.

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01:22:16,720 --> 01:22:18,759
Speaker 2: That are all the expenses such as rent and support,

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01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:21,479
Speaker 2: staff and costs and equipment. The net is probably less

1594
01:22:21,479 --> 01:22:23,800
Speaker 2: than half of that. But meanwhile, there's a number of people,

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01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:26,840
Speaker 2: particularly caregivers, who say, wow, one hundred bucks an hour,

1596
01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:30,240
Speaker 2: You know, caregivers, we're on thirty if we're really lucky.

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01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:32,920
Speaker 2: So yeah, there's a bit of jealousy and there's a

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01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:35,360
Speaker 2: bit of support in equal measures. Six twenty seven.

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Speaker 6: There's no business like show business.

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Speaker 2: Tom Cruise last film out in May it was Mission Impossible,

1601
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:46,720
Speaker 2: the last Reckoning. What's he been up to since then?

1602
01:22:46,840 --> 01:22:47,040
Speaker 20: Well?

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01:22:47,160 --> 01:22:54,639
Speaker 2: This it's a film called Digger. It's a new movie

1604
01:22:54,720 --> 01:22:59,439
Speaker 2: by producer director Arihadandro Gonzalez Yaleto. I think I got

1605
01:22:59,479 --> 01:23:01,880
Speaker 2: that right now. As I said, you'll know him from

1606
01:23:01,880 --> 01:23:04,880
Speaker 2: the Revenant, what a great film matters. He also did

1607
01:23:04,920 --> 01:23:07,760
Speaker 2: a Birdman. There's another great film. He's a real art guy,

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01:23:07,880 --> 01:23:10,320
Speaker 2: so this might be a real good film. The first

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01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:13,040
Speaker 2: teaser for Digger, dropped today, tells you absolutely nothing about

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01:23:13,040 --> 01:23:14,919
Speaker 2: the plot, and as you can hear, there's no dialogue

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01:23:14,960 --> 01:23:17,120
Speaker 2: as yet. But the movie has been described as a

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01:23:17,200 --> 01:23:23,720
Speaker 2: comedy of catastrophic proportions. Tom stars as Digger Rockwell. The

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01:23:23,840 --> 01:23:27,320
Speaker 2: plot under wraps a little bit, but describes Cruse's character.

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01:23:27,400 --> 01:23:29,599
Speaker 2: This is water. Brothers say he is the most powerful

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01:23:29,640 --> 01:23:31,679
Speaker 2: man in the world who embarks on a frantic mission

1616
01:23:31,720 --> 01:23:34,599
Speaker 2: to prove that he is humanity savior. Before the disaster,

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01:23:34,720 --> 01:23:39,680
Speaker 2: he's unleashed, destroyed. Everything sounds like Tom's playing himself.

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01:23:41,439 --> 01:23:41,639
Speaker 5: Out.

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01:23:41,680 --> 01:23:48,040
Speaker 2: In October six, twenty nine, Peter Lewis from Asia, Kavin

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01:23:48,080 --> 01:23:52,840
Speaker 2: Craig from the UK, and what's Donald Trump been up to? Something? Humble?

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01:23:52,880 --> 01:23:55,680
Speaker 2: I'm sure no details on that sort of come here

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01:23:55,760 --> 01:23:57,479
Speaker 2: on News talksb.

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01:24:04,720 --> 01:24:08,519
Speaker 1: Whether it's Macros, micro or just plain economics. It's all

1624
01:24:08,760 --> 01:24:12,639
Speaker 1: on the Business Hour with Andrew Dickens and Ma's Motor

1625
01:24:12,720 --> 01:24:13,599
Speaker 1: Vehicle Insurance.

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01:24:13,880 --> 01:24:16,800
Speaker 6: Your future is in good hands, Used Talks. It'd be

1627
01:24:19,800 --> 01:24:28,920
Speaker 6: that deal is coming. Please don't go far. It's appearing.

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01:24:35,200 --> 01:24:37,280
Speaker 2: Welcome back to the program. And so the battle continue

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01:24:37,400 --> 01:24:39,919
Speaker 2: on the text ninety two ninety two Small Times appliers

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01:24:39,920 --> 01:24:42,000
Speaker 2: about whether a duty lawyer on one hundred and eight

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01:24:42,080 --> 01:24:43,960
Speaker 2: dollars an hour is well paid or not. And of

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01:24:44,040 --> 01:24:46,160
Speaker 2: course we've got some people who are kid and are

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01:24:46,200 --> 01:24:48,559
Speaker 2: saying I'd kill for that sort of money because they're

1634
01:24:48,680 --> 01:24:51,120
Speaker 2: on this and we know that. And we've got another

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01:24:51,200 --> 01:24:53,800
Speaker 2: text in here saying Dickens's a kid, ever, doesn't go

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01:24:53,840 --> 01:24:55,640
Speaker 2: to law school for five years and come out with

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01:24:55,680 --> 01:24:58,080
Speaker 2: a massive debt. So that is a stupid comparison, but

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01:24:58,160 --> 01:25:00,840
Speaker 2: that is true. But at the same time time, a

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01:25:00,960 --> 01:25:03,240
Speaker 2: caregiver lives with the person that they're given care with,

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01:25:03,320 --> 01:25:06,599
Speaker 2: possibly for all their lives. Many caregivers never work at

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01:25:06,600 --> 01:25:08,800
Speaker 2: all and can never work at all because they have

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01:25:08,960 --> 01:25:12,160
Speaker 2: somebody that they have to give care too, and it's

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01:25:12,280 --> 01:25:15,639
Speaker 2: not their choice, and it is a full time profession,

1644
01:25:15,760 --> 01:25:18,120
Speaker 2: and the work they do is very important because it

1645
01:25:18,240 --> 01:25:22,960
Speaker 2: saves the state from the money spent from institutionalization. So

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01:25:23,080 --> 01:25:26,280
Speaker 2: that's sort of fair comparison. Either, the duty lawyer is

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01:25:26,400 --> 01:25:29,960
Speaker 2: doing something of their own volition and of their own choice,

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01:25:30,320 --> 01:25:33,800
Speaker 2: but many caregivers have not been given the choice. It's

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01:25:33,880 --> 01:25:38,120
Speaker 2: their familial obligation. And really if they were given the

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01:25:38,240 --> 01:25:40,599
Speaker 2: choice and they could actually make that decision, they wouldn't

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01:25:40,600 --> 01:25:42,639
Speaker 2: be doing what they're doing. At the same time, both

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01:25:42,680 --> 01:25:46,360
Speaker 2: of them, the duty lawyer and the caregiver, are doing

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01:25:46,520 --> 01:25:48,920
Speaker 2: God's work and I thank you for that. It is

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01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:52,920
Speaker 2: twenty two to seven. After Asia we go, Peter Lewis,

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01:25:53,040 --> 01:25:53,640
Speaker 2: good evening to you.

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01:25:54,760 --> 01:25:56,040
Speaker 21: Good evening, don't you so.

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01:25:56,280 --> 01:25:59,920
Speaker 2: China's economy. We're always looking at China's economy. It's a

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01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:04,280
Speaker 2: bit of strain considering the whole terra for and considering everything.

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01:26:04,479 --> 01:26:07,040
Speaker 2: It's been doing well, but it's showing signs of strain.

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01:26:07,320 --> 01:26:09,880
Speaker 2: In November it is indeed.

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Speaker 21: I mean, if you look into the details, we had

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Speaker 21: a whole load of data on fixed assi's investment, on

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01:26:16,800 --> 01:26:21,000
Speaker 21: retail sales, on industrial production. I think the most worrying

1664
01:26:21,120 --> 01:26:24,480
Speaker 21: thing is fixed acid investment actually, which has now declined

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01:26:25,040 --> 01:26:28,040
Speaker 21: for the third month in a row. Now, we've never

1666
01:26:28,160 --> 01:26:32,479
Speaker 21: seen that before since data was first published by China

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01:26:32,720 --> 01:26:35,839
Speaker 21: on its economy. Normally there's been a lot of interest

1668
01:26:36,120 --> 01:26:40,000
Speaker 21: in investing in China. But what this is now term negative,

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01:26:40,080 --> 01:26:44,599
Speaker 21: and it shows that both businesses and households just don't

1670
01:26:44,640 --> 01:26:48,720
Speaker 21: want to invest at the moment in the Chinese economy.

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01:26:49,160 --> 01:26:49,280
Speaker 18: Now.

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Speaker 21: One of the main reasons for that is this slide

1673
01:26:52,120 --> 01:26:56,080
Speaker 21: in house prices, which we've seen now for four years, NonStop.

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01:26:56,680 --> 01:27:01,400
Speaker 21: Investments in property down about sixteen percent from a year ago,

1675
01:27:02,320 --> 01:27:05,880
Speaker 21: and that's being transmitted more to the consumer side. What

1676
01:27:06,040 --> 01:27:09,160
Speaker 21: consumers are doing is they're looking to pay down debts

1677
01:27:09,560 --> 01:27:14,080
Speaker 21: at the moment rather than spend money and build up

1678
01:27:14,680 --> 01:27:17,479
Speaker 21: new expenditure. So this is going to be a challenge

1679
01:27:18,200 --> 01:27:23,560
Speaker 21: for China next year because Rejijingping wants to reorientate the

1680
01:27:23,720 --> 01:27:29,640
Speaker 21: economy towards more the domestic side and less reliance on exports.

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01:27:30,040 --> 01:27:32,840
Speaker 21: Many overseas countries have called for that as well. They're

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01:27:32,880 --> 01:27:36,840
Speaker 21: saying we had Immanual Macron in Beijing just last month

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01:27:37,560 --> 01:27:42,160
Speaker 21: saying that the pain that's all this reliance and exports

1684
01:27:42,320 --> 01:27:45,920
Speaker 21: was causing to overseas economies was unbearable, and the IMF

1685
01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:50,760
Speaker 21: has called for China to rebalance its economy over the

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01:27:50,880 --> 01:27:54,240
Speaker 21: coming months more towards domestic consumption. So this is going

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01:27:54,320 --> 01:27:57,400
Speaker 21: to be the big challenge for China next year. Now

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01:27:57,439 --> 01:27:59,000
Speaker 21: in some ways, I mean, you know, it's in a

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01:27:59,040 --> 01:28:00,600
Speaker 21: good position to be able to do that. If you

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01:28:00,640 --> 01:28:03,360
Speaker 21: look at this economy overall, it's growing at five percent

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01:28:03,680 --> 01:28:07,160
Speaker 21: this year one year. Now, that's a good rate of growth.

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01:28:07,760 --> 01:28:10,519
Speaker 21: Many countries would be would love to see that sort

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01:28:10,560 --> 01:28:16,720
Speaker 21: of growth. But it's very very lopsided, relying very very

1694
01:28:16,760 --> 01:28:20,360
Speaker 21: heavily on exports. So this is going to be the

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01:28:20,360 --> 01:28:23,200
Speaker 21: big challenge for China in twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, the Chinese tiger, though, has been going great guns

1697
01:28:26,600 --> 01:28:30,360
Speaker 2: over the last fifteen twenty years. But Ji Jumping gave

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01:28:30,400 --> 01:28:33,120
Speaker 2: a very interesting warning to his officials because he doesn't

1699
01:28:33,160 --> 01:28:36,839
Speaker 2: want them to chase what he would call reckless GDP expansion.

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01:28:38,080 --> 01:28:41,600
Speaker 21: Yes, indeed, and he's talking a lot about in particular

1701
01:28:42,160 --> 01:28:49,200
Speaker 21: reckless sort of themes like large industrial parks, building all

1702
01:28:49,280 --> 01:28:52,640
Speaker 21: these unnecessary cities, of some of which he's promoted. He

1703
01:28:52,760 --> 01:28:57,000
Speaker 21: promoted a huge new mega city south of Beijing, which

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01:28:57,080 --> 01:29:00,479
Speaker 21: was supposed to eventually take over from Beijing. That never

1705
01:29:00,560 --> 01:29:04,880
Speaker 21: really happened, and all that's there is empty apartment blocks

1706
01:29:05,520 --> 01:29:12,160
Speaker 21: and antier empty factories. But he wants an end to that,

1707
01:29:13,280 --> 01:29:16,320
Speaker 21: and he wants sort of economic plans to be based

1708
01:29:16,360 --> 01:29:22,080
Speaker 21: around sustainable long term gains, particularly trying to boost the

1709
01:29:22,160 --> 01:29:25,000
Speaker 21: sort of green economy, and he wants to change the

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01:29:25,120 --> 01:29:29,200
Speaker 21: way in which local government officials are evaluated. He said

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01:29:29,200 --> 01:29:32,880
Speaker 21: they shouldn't be judged on GDP growth rates, but on

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01:29:33,040 --> 01:29:38,760
Speaker 21: broader achievements such as improving people's well being, maintaining stability,

1713
01:29:39,439 --> 01:29:41,519
Speaker 21: on so on. This bit reminds me a little bit

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01:29:41,560 --> 01:29:45,240
Speaker 21: of Bhutan's measure of its well being by gross national

1715
01:29:45,600 --> 01:29:50,519
Speaker 21: happiness rather than gross national product. But he wants, he

1716
01:29:50,600 --> 01:29:53,800
Speaker 21: wants to change the whole way in which officials are

1717
01:29:53,880 --> 01:29:58,439
Speaker 21: measured so that they're not tempted to chase sort of

1718
01:29:58,600 --> 01:30:05,519
Speaker 21: unrealistic growth and using unsustainable methods and fake statistics and

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01:30:05,600 --> 01:30:09,760
Speaker 21: the likes to achieve that. So he wants sustainability and

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Speaker 21: more long term goals in the economic growth environment.

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Speaker 2: Well, it helps when you have a domestic market of

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Speaker 2: like one point two one point three billion people that

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Speaker 2: you can survive on that, and they've seen the shots

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Speaker 2: that have come from America, and they've also been developing well,

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Speaker 2: they've been doing all the export. They've also been doing

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Speaker 2: all that incredible power network and as you say, sustainable

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Speaker 2: green power production and building data centers and all that

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Speaker 2: sort of thing. So they're quite self reliant. They're quite

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Speaker 2: a remarkable economy. It's been through another country that's kind

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Speaker 2: of Thailand, where things are not getting any easier. They've

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Speaker 2: just dissolved their parliament and they're still in conflict with Cambodia.

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Speaker 21: Yes, indeed, I mean Thailand has never really recovered from

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Speaker 21: the pandemic. It's an economy that's very dependent upon tourism

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Speaker 21: and it's just really struggled to get momentum behind its

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Speaker 21: economy since that, since then, and that's the case today

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Speaker 21: as well. It also has a rather unstable political environment.

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Speaker 21: The government has to rely on rather large, unwilderly coalitions

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Speaker 21: and there's elections on a regular basis. Or now we've

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Speaker 21: got another one. The prime minister disaster to dissolve parliament,

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Speaker 21: which the King has granted, so that means there now

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Speaker 21: has to be another election within forty five to sixty days.

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Speaker 21: Rather alarmingly, the Prime Minister Anatin is sort of turning

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Speaker 21: to nationalistic sentiments. This often seems to happen with governments,

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Speaker 21: doesn't it around Asia, around the world actually, when they're

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Speaker 21: fighting for their political survival. So he's sort of rather

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Speaker 21: relying on these border clashes with Cambodia and taking a

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Speaker 21: very hardline stance on that. He doesn't want a cease

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Speaker 21: fire at all until basically Cambodia sort of copite habitulates,

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Speaker 21: and I hope it will boost him that hardline stance

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Speaker 21: in the polls ahead of the election. The problem, what

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Speaker 21: is this clash with Cambodia is really disrupting trade at

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Speaker 21: the moment and also putting tourists off as well, So

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Speaker 21: it's not helping the economy. And there's a risk that

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Speaker 21: if these migrant labor flows, which Thailand is very dependent upon,

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Speaker 21: are disrupted, or even worse, if Donald Trump, who helped

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Speaker 21: broker the peace agreement between the two countries, decides to

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Speaker 21: reimpose tariffs on Thailand, then its economy is really going

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Speaker 21: to suffer.

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Speaker 2: Yep, thank you so much. Peter lewis out of the

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Speaker 2: Asia in is a quarter to seven and now on

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Speaker 2: the mention of Donald Trump, what's he up to these days?

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Speaker 2: The iconic Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts is going

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01:32:55,520 --> 01:32:56,879
Speaker 2: to get its name changed.

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Speaker 4: The board of the Kennedy Center, of which the President

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Speaker 4: as the chairman, had voted unanimously to approve a name

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Speaker 4: change that it will now be the Trump Kennedy Center.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's right, the Trump Kennedy Center. Somehow, he claimed

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Speaker 2: to be surprised, even though he's been calling for that

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Speaker 2: for months now. One board member who was against the

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01:33:16,439 --> 01:33:18,439
Speaker 2: idea claims she was put on mute when the vote

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Speaker 2: was held on a conference call. The whole meeting was

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Speaker 2: actually took place down in Florida with all of Trump's mates.

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Speaker 2: So members of the Kennedy family have reacted. They've said this,

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Speaker 2: the Kennedy Center is a living memorial to a fallhen

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Speaker 2: president and named for President Kennedy by federal law, it

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01:33:37,640 --> 01:33:40,519
Speaker 2: can no sooner be renamed than can someone rename the

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Speaker 2: Lincoln Memorial, No matter what anyone says. Another one of

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01:33:44,760 --> 01:33:50,080
Speaker 2: the Kennedy said, President Kennedy proudly stood for justice, peace, equality, dignity, diversity,

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Speaker 2: and compassion for those who suffer. President Trump stands in

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01:33:53,520 --> 01:33:56,200
Speaker 2: opposition to these values, and his name should not be

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Speaker 2: placed alongside President Kennedy's. We have no idea what Bobby

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01:34:00,960 --> 01:34:05,960
Speaker 2: Junior rickens. But the thing I like most about Trump,

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01:34:06,040 --> 01:34:10,439
Speaker 2: I have to say, is his humility. The absence of

1784
01:34:10,520 --> 01:34:13,800
Speaker 2: witch is on full display. Kevin Gray from the UK.

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Speaker 1: Mix everything from SMEs to the big corporates, The Business

1786
01:34:18,680 --> 01:34:23,040
Speaker 1: Hour with Andrew Dickens and Mayor's Motor Vehicle Insurance, Your

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01:34:23,120 --> 01:34:25,920
Speaker 1: futures in good heads used talks, it'd.

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Speaker 2: Be it's eleven to seven, Gavin Gray from the UK.

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon either, Andrew. So the EU agrees on more

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Speaker 2: money for Ukraine.

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Speaker 22: Yes, a big lump of money, but not as much

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Speaker 22: as Ukraine was hoping, and not via the sources of

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01:34:44,240 --> 01:34:47,800
Speaker 22: finance that indeed many had thought they were finally going

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01:34:47,880 --> 01:34:50,160
Speaker 22: to stand up to. So I think some will see

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01:34:50,160 --> 01:34:53,200
Speaker 22: this deal as yeah, I suppose good for Ukraine, but

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01:34:53,280 --> 01:34:55,400
Speaker 22: a bit of a damp square as to what many

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01:34:55,479 --> 01:34:58,519
Speaker 22: people were demanding that the EU actually do something for

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01:34:58,640 --> 01:35:01,639
Speaker 22: once instead of all the meeting. So the European Union

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Speaker 22: leaders have agreed to strike a deal giving roughly one

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Speaker 22: hundred and seventy five billion New Zealand.

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Speaker 6: Dollars to Ukraine.

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Speaker 22: And it's alone having failed to agree on using frozen

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Speaker 22: Russian assets. Now, currently the Russian assets are some two

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01:35:18,760 --> 01:35:23,439
Speaker 22: hundred billion euros, so more than double what they've just given,

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01:35:24,200 --> 01:35:27,479
Speaker 22: and certainly Ukrainian President Loto Meszelenski said, look, you've got

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Speaker 22: two hundred billion of Russian assets which are frozen.

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Speaker 5: You should be using these to.

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Speaker 22: Help us, and most European leaders said, yeah, we should

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01:35:35,600 --> 01:35:38,880
Speaker 22: and we will. And indeed Germany had really been pushing

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01:35:38,960 --> 01:35:42,320
Speaker 22: for this as a way of spending that money. Russia

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01:35:42,360 --> 01:35:45,800
Speaker 22: had threatened court cases and of course, excuse me, the

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01:35:46,680 --> 01:35:50,040
Speaker 22: money's largely kept in Belgium. Belgium was worried that they

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01:35:50,080 --> 01:35:52,519
Speaker 22: would be sued by Russia, so they put up quite

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Speaker 22: a few opponent opposing ideas about that. Andrew, but Ukraine's

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01:35:57,439 --> 01:35:59,479
Speaker 22: running out of cash. They say, without the more cash,

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01:35:59,560 --> 01:36:02,160
Speaker 22: they won't be able to produce so many drones, and

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01:36:02,320 --> 01:36:05,519
Speaker 22: so this extra money the European Union hailing as a victory,

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01:36:05,720 --> 01:36:07,640
Speaker 22: but I think many will see through that as a

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01:36:07,680 --> 01:36:08,600
Speaker 22: bit of a disappointment.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, by better, it's getting worse and worse for Ukraine

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Speaker 2: no matter what support they've got now from our very

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01:36:14,400 --> 01:36:17,479
Speaker 2: rich file of crazy crimes out of France, we've got

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Speaker 2: the sentencing of a doctor who killed people using his syringe.

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Speaker 22: Yes, this is a truly amazing case and indeed one

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Speaker 22: of France's biggest ever medical practice. Medical malpractice cases, even

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Speaker 22: a former anesthetis has been jailed for life for intentionally

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Speaker 22: poisoning thirty patients, twelve of them fatally. The fifty three

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Speaker 22: year old has been convicted after a four month trial

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Speaker 22: that has absolutely shocked France. He was found to have

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Speaker 22: introduced chemicals like potassium chloride or even adrenaline into the

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Speaker 22: infusion bags of patients. His youngest victim was just four,

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Speaker 22: his oldest was eighty nine. His prosecutors said he was

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Speaker 22: doctor death. And they said that the chemicals that he

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Speaker 22: added into these infusion bags triggered cardiac arrest or hemorrhaging

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Speaker 22: in patients, which required emergency intervention in the operating theater. Now,

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01:37:09,479 --> 01:37:12,479
Speaker 22: what was the motive, Well, the prosecutor said, the motive

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01:37:12,560 --> 01:37:15,479
Speaker 22: that he had was quite simply that he would then

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Speaker 22: be able to try and get the patient better again

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01:37:19,120 --> 01:37:22,000
Speaker 22: and then be lauded with praise and be thanked.

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Speaker 11: But obviously, in some of these.

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Speaker 22: Cases twelve cases where there were fatalities, he was unable

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01:37:27,640 --> 01:37:30,360
Speaker 22: to intervene, or it was too late and the patient died.

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Speaker 22: The prosecution said he had acted in order to discredit

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01:37:35,240 --> 01:37:38,920
Speaker 22: fellow anesthetists against whom he bore a grudge, A truly

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01:37:39,000 --> 01:37:42,240
Speaker 22: horrific case and indeed that four year old who did

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01:37:42,360 --> 01:37:46,080
Speaker 22: survive well. They actually managed to survive two cardiac arrests,

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Speaker 22: having gone in for a routine tonsil surgery.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what it is about France, but they

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01:37:50,520 --> 01:37:54,760
Speaker 2: produced the most incredible sociopathic nscissists who didn't who do

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01:37:55,080 --> 01:37:58,360
Speaker 2: the worst things. Hey, Gavin Gray, I don't know whether.

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01:37:58,400 --> 01:38:00,080
Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm going to be talking to

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Speaker 2: you before Christmas. I'm doing this summer breakfast show over summer,

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01:38:04,400 --> 01:38:07,040
Speaker 2: in which case I made very well Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday

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Speaker 2: of this coming week. But if I don't merry Christmas

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01:38:10,000 --> 01:38:12,639
Speaker 2: to you and your friends, I love you, I love

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01:38:12,720 --> 01:38:15,080
Speaker 2: talking to you, and so go well, and I thank

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01:38:15,120 --> 01:38:16,920
Speaker 2: you so much. Gavin Gray, Out of the UK. Coming

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Speaker 2: up six minutes to seven.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Too per Se Allan Drive Full show

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Speaker 1: podcast on iHeartRadio, powered by News Talks, EBB.

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Speaker 2: News Talks EBB. So here we are ladies and gentlemen.

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Speaker 2: And I'd like to say to Laura Beatty knee knare

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Speaker 2: thro a Weiginaxtony, there was Mary Christmas in German. To

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Speaker 2: Anthony Medicich, I'd like to say, could you play some

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Speaker 2: music so I don't have to talk anymore? And Merry

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Speaker 2: Christmas to you.

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Speaker 20: Thanks very much. Andrew got here, We wish you a

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Speaker 20: Merry Christmas. I always like to finish with this one

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Speaker 20: because for two reasons. First of all, because we wish you,

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Speaker 20: the listener of Merry Christmas, whether you've been listening religiously

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01:38:56,800 --> 01:38:58,920
Speaker 20: to the show all year or you just tuned in

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Speaker 20: now today. Thanks very much. We can only do this

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01:39:01,680 --> 01:39:03,320
Speaker 20: because you listen to the show, and we appreciate you

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01:39:03,400 --> 01:39:05,200
Speaker 20: coming back again and again and again and letting us

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01:39:05,280 --> 01:39:07,240
Speaker 20: do it. It's from me and Laura and Hither and

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Speaker 20: Ryan and Andrew and everybody who works on the show.

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Speaker 20: And the second reason I like playing this song, Andrew

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Speaker 20: is it's because the version of we Wish You a

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Speaker 20: Merry Christmas performed by David Hasselhoff.

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Speaker 2: I love that this thing exists.

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Speaker 5: This is just great.

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Speaker 2: And go and take a holiday because you sound exhausted.

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Speaker 20: Oh, yeah, I'll just take a quick one. See on Monday, Andrew.

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01:39:24,120 --> 01:40:08,880
Speaker 2: Oh really okay, I'm sorry. Merry Christmas everybody. From all

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Speaker 2: of us to all of you, I wish you were

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01:40:12,439 --> 01:40:15,680
Speaker 2: very merry Christmas and a happiness.

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Speaker 6: news talks.

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