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Speaker 1: Digging through the spithens to find the real story. Or

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Speaker 1: it's Andrew Dickens on hither dupers Alan Dry with one

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Speaker 2: It'd be well, good afternoon to you, Thank you for

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Speaker 2: choosing us. Welcome to the show. I'm Andrew Dickens at

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Speaker 2: a seven after four. Today they're helping hand for the

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Speaker 2: people who are unbanked. West PAC's bright eyed here in

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Speaker 2: about two minutes. All show long, the triumphant inauguration of

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Speaker 2: How short are we of teachers for twenty twenty five?

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Speaker 2: And the ridiculous complaints about television ads? Can you believe

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Speaker 2: Yes, the triumphant return of Donald Trump. It was a

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Speaker 2: magnificent inauguration ceremony. In my opinion, it just just had everything.

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Speaker 2: So welcome back, mister President. I am right behind you,

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Speaker 2: except on one thing. So one of the first notifications

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Speaker 2: and it was fact checking the inauguration speech. Obviously they're

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Speaker 2: trying to imply that he's lying, he's a fantasist and

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Speaker 2: he's a concern. Now I ask you, why would you

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Speaker 2: do that. You know that any politician in any country,

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Speaker 2: going to bluster and exaggerate to prove their point and

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Speaker 2: said things like America split the atom when we know

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Speaker 2: talk to Nick Smith a bit later on. You see,

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Speaker 2: bias is a politician's job, and Donald Trump went to

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Speaker 2: elected him and the Senate and Congress with an overwhelming mandate.

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Speaker 2: So good on him. So whatever he busters, good luck

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Speaker 2: to him. All of it doesn't worry me apart from

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Speaker 2: one thing. He's gone straight to work today and placed

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Speaker 2: tariffs on Mexico and Canada by February, and he said

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Speaker 2: the world later. So my concern is that in making

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Speaker 2: America's friend. We were America's friend under Reagan. We were

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Speaker 2: We were also America's friend under Clinton, Obama, and Biden.

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Speaker 2: And so I implore the Trump administration not to punish

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Speaker 2: their manufacturing base. Hitting US with tariffs will be but

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Speaker 2: a drop in the ocean for the mighty American economy,

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Speaker 2: it could be devastating. So, mister President, don't punish us

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Speaker 2: for making some tasty beef and milk, because to do

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Speaker 2: so will be very ruthless, and to do so will

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Speaker 2: be extraordinarily cruel. Andrew Dickens Westpac wants to introduce a

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Speaker 2: new type of basic bank account to make sure people

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Speaker 2: who struggle to get a normal bank account aren't left

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Speaker 2: report that looked into this. It suggests a basic transaction

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Speaker 2: account could decrease the unbanked population. These are people like

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Speaker 2: people who have cognitive disabilities, former and current prisoners, bankrupts,

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Speaker 2: Westpac's chief executive and joins me. Now, Hello, Katherine, hi, Andrew,

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Speaker 2: are you good. So what are the reasons why people

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Speaker 4: Well, it can be a number of things. Of our

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Speaker 4: identity and proof of address tend to be really important

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Speaker 4: things to open a bank account, and that's important for

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Speaker 4: anti money laundering legislation. But it can also inadvertently cause

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Speaker 4: real barriers. And that could be because somebody doesn't have

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Speaker 2: And of course you come out of prison, you can't

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Speaker 2: they won't put your money into They can't put your

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Speaker 2: and it becomes a vicious circle.

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Speaker 5: That's right.

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Speaker 4: So we think it's incredibly important that banking is as

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Speaker 4: some segments that have a greater risk, and so having

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Speaker 2: It is to Well, how is a basic bank account

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Speaker 4: So they have basic bank accounts in the UK, where

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Speaker 4: I spent quite a bit of time in that market.

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Speaker 4: They don't have overdrafts. The type of transactions can be

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Speaker 4: a wee bit restricted. If we're giving bank accounts to

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Speaker 4: people who we're slightly worried about, we might monitor the

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Speaker 4: transactions more closely, and that's with the agreement of the

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Speaker 4: person that's opened the account, and so they minimize the

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Speaker 2: Now, you gave me a UK example, and that's because

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Speaker 2: you're not offering a basic bank account yet, because you

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Speaker 2: want all banks to be offering these basic bank accounts,

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Speaker 2: So the question is why aren't they all or the

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Speaker 4: So I think traditionally in New Zealand it hasn't necessarily

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Speaker 4: a more ad hoc process at the moment, and some

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Speaker 4: of this insight has come from a broader reports that

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Speaker 4: we've done in terms of the million Newszalanders who identify

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Speaker 4: cognitive disabilities, or visual disabilities, or even address disabilities, those

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Speaker 4: are things that can cause challenges when you're trying to

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Speaker 4: open a bank account. So we are doing it to

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Speaker 4: some extent, but we think as an industry approach, including

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Speaker 4: the industry does do their part, because otherwise you've got

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Speaker 4: one segment who's frankly banking people who don't really make

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Speaker 4: the money because it's the right thing to do. We

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Speaker 2: There's lots of barriers for people in all areas of banking.

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Speaker 2: For instance, if you don't have braille on a pin machine,

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Speaker 2: I know of one bloke who says, when you can't

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Speaker 4: Completely agree. So designing products and services so they work

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Speaker 4: for everybody is really important. So whether that's on an

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Speaker 4: is something that we've been working with our providers to do.

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Speaker 4: That's a really good thing to do. A number of

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Speaker 4: group we've been doing training with our teams about recognizing

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Speaker 4: what the sunflower lanyard or pin indicates. And that's someone

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Speaker 4: who's saying I might need extra help which may not

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Speaker 2: It's a great idea. Katherine McGrath, westpacchief Executive, joining me

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Speaker 2: on the basic bank account. I can just tell you

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Speaker 2: a little story about me. When I was do my

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Speaker 2: It was in France, and that meant I didn't have

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Speaker 2: That means I had for three years I had to

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Speaker 2: essential for everybody. Sixteen after four I watched tennis last night.

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Speaker 2: Gai mon Fias, what an amazing man. Did not win,

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Speaker 2: but he did a thing called walking tennis. I want

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Speaker 1: Next, who will take the White House results and analysis

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Speaker 1: One New Zealand Let's get connected the.

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Speaker 2: This is News Talks at B and Darcy Autograve. Happy

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Speaker 2: New Year.

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Speaker 6: And to yourself as well, although on the twenty first

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Speaker 6: of the first you'd suggest after three weeks it's like

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Speaker 2: I was watching tennis last night. It was Gail mom

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Speaker 2: He quit after that because he lost the tiebreak. But

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Speaker 6: It's like playing squash with old men. They just stand

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Speaker 2: The circles, and it went beautiful. Tonight's quite pleased to you.

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Speaker 6: Went out because that means I could switch over and

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Speaker 6: Big Jim arms there. I don't know if you remember that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I get it, and you pull

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Speaker 2: the cord and he says stuff I don't know. I understand.

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Speaker 2: Now tonight's big game, ten ten to nights and this

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Speaker 2: is Novak Djokovic, the world's most sensitive tennis player. You

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Speaker 2: Cars Akkavath, the new the new nadle Ol Carras.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, everyone knows what you're talking about and who you're

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Speaker 6: talking about. Nadal, Sorry, Nadal, You see I've already swapped

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Speaker 6: it out with the Spaniard. Djokovic does this to himself

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Speaker 6: deliberately because it gives him this edge. He gets riled

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Speaker 6: by silly little things. Yeah, when he could just leave

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Speaker 6: it behind. Look the guy insulted him to a degree,

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Speaker 6: doesn't matter, No, get on with it. But he likes

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Speaker 2: So will he have enough edge to beat the to

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Speaker 2: Now you can text me ninety two ninety two small

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Speaker 2: for goodness sake, Frank Energy complainant. Frank Energy advert shows

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Speaker 1: Out, putting the challenging questions to the people at the

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Speaker 1: Se Alan Drive with one New Zealand Let's get connected

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Speaker 1: and youth talks.

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Speaker 9: That'd be you well along, yell cool dicey.

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Speaker 3: The weather opened to the program.

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Speaker 2: My name is Andrew Dicks.

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Speaker 3: I'm here for a week.

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Speaker 2: Next week it's Ryan Bridge. Heather's had a baby. Baby

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Speaker 2: has called makayd. It is now twenty four minutes to five.

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Speaker 2: Text through from Lynn. The very best to add is

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Speaker 2: the Turner's ad so very funny. The singing off key

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Speaker 2: show us your Honda Ronda, your Forward Lord always gives

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Speaker 2: Tina Turner, the singer, the queen of rock and roll.

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Speaker 2: But there you have it. I see that The Herald's

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Speaker 2: search of the best beach is coming to an end.

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Speaker 2: Thankfully my beach did not make the list. I reckon

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Speaker 2: because the only thing these quests and lists do is

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Speaker 3: It's the world wires on news talks.

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Speaker 2: They'd be drive for the twenty first of January nineteen

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Speaker 2: Seventy three degrees. That's not too bad except outside this

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Speaker 2: the next six weeks, thirty three Israeli hostages are to

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Speaker 11: The moment they announced the ceasefire agreement will come into

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Speaker 2: And finally, one example to.

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Speaker 11: Be based on divorce Babe.

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Speaker 2: Divorce adel or is that a Delhi. A new study

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Speaker 2: out of Australia has found that little blue penguins don't

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Speaker 2: The study also found that even the penguins that stick

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Speaker 1: International correspondence with ends and eye insurance, peace of mind

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Speaker 2: That murray olds is what public money is spent on

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Speaker 12: I know, but fish breathmate not very good.

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Speaker 2: Very good afternoon to you, Okay, bad afternoon. Another anti

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Speaker 12: That's right. It was a childcare center set a light

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Speaker 12: Well it's happening this afternoon, because enough's enough. Albaneze happened

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Speaker 5: But ever see this here?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well sometimes you just have to accept common sense.

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Speaker 2: Meanwhile, Donald Trump's inauguration.

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Speaker 2: And it's very cold weather. But Donald looks like he's

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Speaker 12: whole world. The Orcas Submarine Pact is one of the

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Speaker 12: things that she discussed with Rubio. As for Kevin Rudd,

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Speaker 12: he's been working pretty hard to repair any damage. He

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Speaker 12: did suggest that President Trump was a traded to the

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Speaker 12: West and the most destructive president in history. But look,

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Speaker 12: I mean, is he going to get flicked. He's not

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Speaker 12: going to get flicked as far as Australia is concerned,

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Speaker 12: at least at this point. I mean, if Donald Trump

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Speaker 12: wakes up tomorrow and says I don't like that guy, rude,

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Speaker 12: I dare say he'll be gone by the end of

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Speaker 12: the week.

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Speaker 2: That's true enough, But I wish you are the very

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Speaker 2: best of that, because the thing for both of our

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Speaker 2: kind are the tariffs, and the tariffs are coming in

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Speaker 2: from Mexico and Canada from the first of February, and

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Speaker 2: he's deciding on the rest of the world later, and

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Speaker 2: we are America's friends and he doesn't need to ruin us.

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Speaker 12: Well, let's just wait and see. I mean, he's such

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Speaker 12: a capricious leader. You never know what he's going to

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Speaker 12: do from one moment of the next. The big thing

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Speaker 12: I'm waiting for is how long this bromance between him

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Speaker 12: and Musk is going to last. I cannot imagine those

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Speaker 12: two monstrous egos in the same room for very long

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Speaker 12: without sparks flying, honestly.

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Speaker 2: And look, I hate to go back to the Djokovic

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Speaker 2: teasing and his reaction because I thought it was a

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Speaker 2: small thing, but now I hear the Serbian Council of Australia,

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Speaker 2: while Tony Jones, who made the bad benter, they want

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Speaker 5: Well, yeah, I know. I mean, look, I've heard of

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Speaker 5: Tony Jones.

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Speaker 12: He's a very well regarded sports broadcaster down in Melbourne,

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Speaker 12: be doing it for I think about forty years, and

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Speaker 12: I must say I've never heard of the Serbian Council

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Speaker 12: of Australia. But the Council is far from satisfied with

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Speaker 12: the groveling apology that Jones issued. It wants the Human

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Speaker 12: Rights Commission to step in and investigate these quote racist,

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Speaker 12: unquote comments. The Council says, where's the other quote here?

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Speaker 12: Nina Markovich is a member of the Council. We believe

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Speaker 12: this could have been a breach of Section eighteen see

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Speaker 12: of the Racial Discrimination Act and Section twenty see of

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Speaker 12: the Any discriminator, go away, go away, just give us

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Speaker 12: a break. Even Djokovic has moved on. Yes, look, I mean,

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Speaker 12: I know you wound up some of the fans. Some

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Speaker 12: of the fans thought it was it was pretty grotty,

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Speaker 12: it was offensive, racist, only served to incites further.

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Speaker 5: Discrimination of Australian Serbs.

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Speaker 12: Well, I mean, I think she's being a bit daft

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Speaker 12: to be frank. Move on, it's a tennis it's.

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump inauguration day. Woke asm as over mate.

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Speaker 12: And tonight, of course Djokovic seventh seed. I had to

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Speaker 12: look that up. I'd heard that. I wasn't sure.

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Speaker 5: I didn't.

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Speaker 14: I look it up.

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Speaker 12: Alcaaz is third. Forget Alcaraz beat Djokovic in straight sets

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Speaker 12: at Wimbledon last year. But Djokovic is going to be

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Speaker 12: really fired up and all the Serbian fans in the

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Speaker 2: It's going to be great TV. And I thank you

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Speaker 2: so much. Murray Olds from Australia here on News Talks Hereb.

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Speaker 2: It is now a quarter to five and in a

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Speaker 2: few moments time the return of the talkback host from

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Speaker 2: summer to daytime primetime radio. Jason Walls, our political editor,

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Speaker 2: will be joining us to talk politics. This is before

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Speaker 2: the National Party Caucus retreat which is happening tomorrow, and

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Speaker 2: retreats a bad word. They're not retreating and they aren't.

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Speaker 2: They striding forward. Jason Walls is next here on News

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Speaker 1: Politics with Centrics Credit check your customers and get payments certainty.

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Speaker 2: It is twelve minutes to five. Jason Walls, welcome back

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Speaker 2: to the program.

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Speaker 15: Oh, thank you very much for having me.

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Speaker 2: Andrew, congratulations on your first and at talkback. How was

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Speaker 2: it for you?

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Speaker 15: I honestly loved it. I really did. It's you know,

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Speaker 15: talk a lot of people who've talked back a really

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Speaker 15: bad name and say it's really boring or cast dispersions

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Speaker 15: on the people that call that. I really enjoyed it.

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Speaker 15: You get to talk to some really fascinating people and

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Speaker 15: get a lot of opinions on things. So yeah, I

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Speaker 15: hope to be back at some point.

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Speaker 2: I heard you talking to one fellow who had been

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Speaker 2: using the Working for Family text credits about school uniforms,

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Speaker 2: and you were very honest and it was very good.

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Speaker 2: You said, I've never had to apply for these, how

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Speaker 2: do you do it? And how do you get the

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Speaker 2: money in your account? And I also have never had

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Speaker 2: to apply for that because it came and well, I

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Speaker 2: benefit of my life anyway. That's what was educational about

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Speaker 2: that show. You did very well. But let's get back

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Speaker 2: to your real business and let's talk about the National

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Speaker 2: Party Caucus retreat. Starts tomorrow. How are they feeling?

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Speaker 15: You know, I think they're probably a bit of a

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Speaker 15: mixed mood within the National Party caucus. I mean, the

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Speaker 15: reshuffle were to put the fear of God into many MP's.

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Speaker 15: I mean, Luxin's proved a few times now that if

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Speaker 15: with seemingly no remorse. I mean, he's extremely focused on

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Speaker 15: this team that he's put together, and I've always said

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Speaker 15: And the more and more that he does these sort

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Speaker 15: of chopping changings to get what he likes to say,

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Speaker 15: his aces in his places, the more and more I

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Speaker 15: think this is probably where his strength as the Prime

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Speaker 15: Minister lies in his ability to delegate. But you know,

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Speaker 15: there may be these things may be weighing on the

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Speaker 15: sort of the more middle of the pack ministers with

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Speaker 15: the likes of James Meager and Chris Pank and a

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Speaker 15: few others looking to climb the ranks. And so if

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Speaker 15: they're doing well, I mean the Prime Minister might be

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Speaker 15: looking at clearing a little bit more dead would soon.

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Speaker 15: So they've got to be watching their back. There's also

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Speaker 15: this poll that came out last week when national slid

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Speaker 15: four and a half percentage points to now they're in

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Speaker 15: the twenties to twenty nine, lower than the Labor Party,

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Speaker 15: and that will be weighing on the MPs as they

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Speaker 15: meet for the first time this year in Hamilton. Now

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Speaker 15: the theme is as I understand it and get this

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Speaker 15: economic growth. Surprise surprise. In that poll, the one that

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Speaker 15: we're talking about, more people said that they had a

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Speaker 15: worse economic out look on the economy than the other

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Speaker 15: way around. So more people think that we're on the

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Speaker 15: worst track than the right track, which is a death

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Speaker 15: mark for any government. So they'll be working on the

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Speaker 15: messaging around that. In terms of what they'll be doing well,

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Speaker 15: I understand that Rocket Lab CEO and founder Peter Beck

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Speaker 15: is doing a session with MPs about innovation and what

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Speaker 15: it means for the economy. So hopefully that's going to

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Speaker 15: put them on the straight and narrow when they get

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Speaker 15: back to it.

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Speaker 2: Can I just say that poll was lenked and that

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Speaker 2: poll was done by Courier, and that Courier, of course,

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Speaker 2: is the operation run by David Farrer, So I believe

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Speaker 2: that there was a reason why the poll was leaked

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Speaker 2: and that changes in the air for the National Party

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Speaker 2: over the course of the next couple of months. Now

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Speaker 2: stats n z it has clear final order over his

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Speaker 2: actions during the sentence. But there's another investigation too, and

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Speaker 2: this is into the use of official data at the election.

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Speaker 2: So where where's that all at?

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Speaker 15: Indeed, So it's interesting because there's a few things happening

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Speaker 15: within investigations to Statistics New Zealand and a couple of

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Speaker 15: other places. Now you'll remember that there were some eyebrows

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Speaker 15: raised when Statistics New Zealand threw final aura used one

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Speaker 15: hundred dollars food vouchures in a bid to get primarily

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Speaker 15: Stats ends that have been cleared of any wrongdoing over this,

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Speaker 15: and that's because it was done under a contract to

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Speaker 15: enhance FARO contribution, basically to encourage and support finale participation

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Speaker 15: rate in the census. The contract stated that this could

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Speaker 15: include the use of grocery vouchers of up to a

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Speaker 15: million dollars of the five mili contract which could be

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Speaker 15: set aside for these sorts of incentives. So the fact

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Speaker 15: is the report actually said that these efforts significantly increased

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Speaker 15: Mary participation in the census. So there is that one's

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Speaker 15: all clear, one down, one to go.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 15: The second one is around allegations of the misuse of

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Speaker 15: personal data at Manurewa Marai up in Auckland. So this

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Speaker 15: investigation was sparked by allegation that census data and COVID

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Speaker 15: nineteen vaccination information collected at that Marai had been misused

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Speaker 15: forty Party Marty's election campaign, so the Marii was also

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Speaker 15: a voting site. I'm sure you remember. Takutai tash Camp

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Speaker 15: was the party's candidates in the local Marti seat of

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Speaker 15: Tamaki Mokoto and she went on to win the seat

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Speaker 15: by just forty two votes, the slimmest of margins. In

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Speaker 15: the time. Now TI Party Mary has strongly rejected any

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Speaker 15: allegations of wrongdoing and they've welcomed the investigation, and President

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Speaker 15: John Tomahiri, who is also the CEO of Waipereera Trust,

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Speaker 15: which is also being investigated, has called for quote hard

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Speaker 15: evidence to substantiate these claims. Public Service Commissioner Sir Brian

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Speaker 15: Roach had said he had hoped the report would be

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Speaker 15: released by the end of last year, and it was

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Speaker 15: first meant to be released actually in September September the sixteenth.

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Speaker 15: Of course, none of those things happened. In addition to this,

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Speaker 15: at the end of last year, the Electual Commission admitted

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Speaker 15: they got it wrong by putting a voting booth at

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Speaker 15: Manurewa Marai. So after that, Nikola Willis said that she

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Speaker 15: had been advised by the Public Service Commission that they

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Speaker 15: want more time to ensure that both natural justice processes

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Speaker 15: are completed satisfactorily and that they can respond effectively to

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Speaker 15: the findings in the report. So we can now expect

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Speaker 15: the results of that investigation by the end of this month.

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Speaker 15: So we've got a few more days and the time

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Speaker 15: the clock is taking.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely good stuff and I thank you seven to five.

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Speaker 1: Putting the time questions to the newspeakers the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 2: The Prime Minister Christopher lxn is with us speaking of

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Speaker 2: big jobs.

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Speaker 16: Nichola Willis has one What parameters have you set in

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Speaker 16: order for her to grow growth?

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Speaker 5: Is everything on the table for her? Yeah?

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Speaker 16: Luck, there's five things that we've got to do in

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Speaker 16: our economic growth plan. What I really want as a

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Speaker 16: minister to lead and drive that a gym to throw

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Speaker 16: across all the ministries. And so Nikola will have two

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Speaker 16: parts of the job. Continue to sort out our finances

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Speaker 16: and then really get into the exciting work of actually,

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Speaker 16: how do we lay down the big foundations that we

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Speaker 16: ultimately know will lead to New Zealand becoming a much

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Speaker 16: richer place.

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Speaker 5: And that's something and that's the visions.

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Speaker 3: That's the vision, right, that's the goal. So the question

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Speaker 3: is how do we get there?

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Speaker 1: Ryan Bridge on them my costing breakfast back tomorrow at

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Speaker 1: six am with the Range Rover of the Law on News.

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Speaker 2: Talks Dead b Context on ninety two ninety two and

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Speaker 2: someone says, please, no one apart from the media gives

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Speaker 2: two hoots about polls. Well, that's wrong. That's why the

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Speaker 2: National Party are involved with the taxpayers Unions which are

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Speaker 2: involved the Courier and David Farrer's polling company. They politicians

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Speaker 2: care about the polls. Now, speaking of which, Inauguration Day today,

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump forty two executive orders, he did a sixty

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Speaker 2: minute press Q and a he's seventy eight years of age.

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Speaker 2: He did three balls and then someone did a poll

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Speaker 2: on his approval rating for his inauguration day performance, and

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Speaker 2: Americans fifty six percent approve, fifty six percent, thirty nine

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Speaker 2: percent disapprove, and five percent couldn't care less. Fifty six

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Speaker 2: percent approve. America has the president they want and good

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Speaker 2: on them and he's going for it. And we're going

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Speaker 2: to talk about this next with a Republican strategist about

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Speaker 2: her thoughts about this day for Donald.

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Speaker 3: Again.

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Speaker 1: Eden Questions, answers, facts, analysis, the drive show you trust

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Speaker 1: for the full picture.

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Speaker 3: Andrew Dickens on hither Duplicy.

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Speaker 1: Alan Drive with one New Zealand, let's get connected news talks.

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Speaker 12: That'd be.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the program. Good to have your company. I'm

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Speaker 2: Andrew Dickinson, the head of Duissy Allen who had her

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Speaker 2: baby last week. It is seven after five and we

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Speaker 2: have a president of the United States of America. Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump is officially president again, and he has not wasted

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Speaker 2: any time getting to work. He's laid out dozens of

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Speaker 2: executive orders that he'll sign in the coming days, and

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Speaker 2: he's already instituted many of them already, like pulling out

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Speaker 2: of the Paris Climate Agreement, pulling out of the World

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Speaker 2: Health Organization, pardoning twenty two one capital attack right, fifteen

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Speaker 2: hundred of them, and a border crackdown.

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Speaker 10: And I will send troops to the southern border to

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Speaker 10: repel the disastrous invasion of our country.

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Speaker 2: So Republican strategist Amy Takanian is joining me now.

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Speaker 17: Hello, Amy, thank you for having me.

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Speaker 2: You're a Republican, You're a strategist. What have you made

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Speaker 2: of what Donald Trump the prison has said today?

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Speaker 17: Well, I'm not surprised by any of the actions that

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Speaker 17: were taken so far today in any of the words

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Speaker 17: that were shared as well. In his inaugural speech, he

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Speaker 17: came out swinging in Trump fashion, and with the former

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Speaker 17: administration sitting literally within a few feet in front of him,

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Speaker 17: he lambasted and pointed out the areas that he felt

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Speaker 17: where they did wrong. And then he pivoted into his

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Speaker 17: lengthy to do list, if you will, of ways to

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Speaker 17: make him provements, ways to fix the country as he

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Speaker 17: views them. And then he ended off on a high note,

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Speaker 17: and I thought that was a good tone, a good tenor.

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Speaker 17: He mentioned how Americans were courageous, full of vigor, we're proud,

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Speaker 17: we're compassionate, and we are a prosperous nation. And he

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Speaker 17: basically stated that January twentieth, twentieth is Liberation Day and

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Speaker 17: that we are now entering a golden age. So it was.

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Speaker 4: It was very hopeful, and.

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Speaker 17: I'm hoping that from his first term that he unfortunately

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Speaker 17: had to learn a number of things the very hard

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Speaker 17: way when he campaigned on draining the swamp and he

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Speaker 17: found out that that was virtually impossible to do. So

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Speaker 17: he had continued to surround himself with people who were

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Speaker 17: not good for him. He was not listening like he

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Speaker 17: probably should have, and it caused great heartache. And so

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Speaker 17: you know, in the beginning, I think we were all

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Speaker 17: very excited, and then towards the end of that term,

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Speaker 17: it became extremely chaotic and it was disappointing. So I

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Speaker 17: think this go around, we have already seen He's already

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Speaker 17: lined up his cabinet nominees before today even took place,

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Speaker 17: and he also had his policy advisors put together this

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Speaker 17: lengthy list of two hundred plus executive orders that he's

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Speaker 17: going to be signing in the next twenty four to

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Speaker 17: forty eight hours, and he's doing some of them as

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Speaker 17: we speak, and he's not wasting any time. So he's

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Speaker 17: going to be extremely aggressive and it is you know,

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Speaker 17: do I agree with everything? No, but that's fine. But

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Speaker 17: he's definitely I think he's learned his lesson and he's

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Speaker 17: moving forward quite quite quickly.

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Speaker 2: All of this stuff and everything he said he said

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Speaker 2: in the election campaign, and he was given a mandate

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Speaker 2: to say this stuff. So the question would then be

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Speaker 2: how much of this stuff might not happen because of

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Speaker 2: legal challenges, which is what happened to those original one

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Speaker 2: hundred executive orders he did in twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 17: Sure, well, as soon as President Biden came in, he actually,

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Speaker 17: you know, he rescinded it a lot and not number

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Speaker 17: send it. He got rid of a lot of them.

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Speaker 17: And and so now you've got a little bit of

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Speaker 17: a ping pong effect. So now that President Trump is

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Speaker 17: right back where we began before Biden did that, he's

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Speaker 17: now bringing everything back. But he's going to make sure

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Speaker 17: that everything is well oiled. It's going to make there's

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Speaker 17: going to be improvements made upon these executive orders. And

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Speaker 17: then now that he also has a Republican Senate and

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Speaker 17: a Republican House, the wind is at his back with

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Speaker 17: making sure that everything continues to go smoothly as possible.

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Speaker 2: He has a mandate to make America great and absolutely,

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Speaker 2: but the rest of US and the rest of the

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Speaker 2: world worried that he may not contribute to the international

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Speaker 2: community as much as perhaps he might have done. Is

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Speaker 2: that something that you think he should be more worried

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Speaker 2: about or not.

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Speaker 17: No, I think it's quite the opposite. I think he's

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Speaker 17: made it crystal clear that he doesn't want America to

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Speaker 17: be taken for granted, he doesn't want us to be

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Speaker 17: taken advantage of anymore. He did stay here. In the

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Speaker 17: last five minutes or so, as I'm watching him sign

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Speaker 17: these executive orders, a member of the press asked about

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Speaker 17: tariff and when would he start implementing them, and he

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Speaker 17: said he was going to implement a twenty five percent

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Speaker 17: tariff February first to Mexico and Canada. So that's going

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Speaker 17: to be quite an eye opener. And I don't know

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Speaker 17: if he necessarily means that or if those are just

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Speaker 17: words that he's putting out as a I guess, a warning.

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Speaker 17: I don't want to use the word threat. But you know,

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Speaker 17: he is a businessman, so he's going to start high

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Speaker 17: and then he negotiates yes and right. So we'll see

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Speaker 17: what happens.

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Speaker 2: There as we will and the attack Anyan is strategist

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Speaker 2: for the Republican Party. Remember he also said something about

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Speaker 2: spitting the atom and that's upset people in Nelson. Nick

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Speaker 2: Smith is on the way, Dickens. It is now thirteen

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Speaker 2: minutes after five. Students are gearing up to return to

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Speaker 2: the classroom. Schools of course, as always lately scrambling to

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Speaker 2: find enough teachers to fill vacant positions. So the question

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Speaker 2: is how many are we short of? Three hundred and

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Speaker 2: forty six apparently full time vacancies and apparently the shortage

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Speaker 2: could get worse as the year goes on. So PPTA

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Speaker 2: President Chris Abber Crumbie joins me. Now, hello, Chris, how

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Speaker 2: are you? I thought pay was good. Why are we

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Speaker 2: having such a shortage these days?

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Speaker 18: Well, it's an international issue. We know that other jurisdictions

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Speaker 18: are really struggling to get teachers. You know, using on

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Speaker 18: teachers are in really attractive to overseas jurisdictions. Is heavy,

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Speaker 18: heavy advertising campaigns to get new calendars to go to Australia,

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Speaker 18: to the UK, to the Canada, and so yeah, it's

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Speaker 18: getting more and more difficult to have teachers in the classroom, what.

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Speaker 2: Are we sure of?

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Speaker 3: What subjects so aur and salmon.

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Speaker 18: At across the board, there is the what sort of

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Speaker 18: has become unfortunately the traditional hard to staff, the sort

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Speaker 18: of masks the technology areas to lay Omali has been

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Speaker 18: incredibly hard to staff. But as across the board, you know,

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Speaker 18: I know of schools, particularly in the end of the year,

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Speaker 18: will find out hard to get pe teachers, teachers, and

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Speaker 18: these things that never really occurred in the past.

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Speaker 2: Well, what happens when they can't find a teacher.

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Speaker 18: So there's a few options available, So one of them

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Speaker 18: has canceled, the class, cansel the subject. They could bring

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Speaker 18: in a short term reliever if they can find one again,

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Speaker 18: you know, it might not be a subject specialist in

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Speaker 18: that area, but they might about to find someone who

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Speaker 18: can take the class. There's a few options available. None

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Speaker 18: of them are as good as having a full time teacher,

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Speaker 18: proper teacher in the classroom. Will they look overseas, Yes,

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Speaker 18: overseas recruitment has become really key. Our situation will be

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Speaker 18: a lot worse if it's not. If it wasn't for

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Speaker 18: our overseas recruitment. But you have to, as I said,

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Speaker 18: we're competing in an international market. So you know, Australian

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Speaker 18: teachers are in more than New Zealand teachers, you know,

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Speaker 18: so we're losing teachers over there. We tend to recruit

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Speaker 18: from the Pacific, from the Philippines, from India where we

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Speaker 18: have better terms and conditions than those countries. So it

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Speaker 18: becomes a bit of a missus cycle.

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Speaker 2: Anything the government can do to help.

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Speaker 18: So you know, absolutely we can be so government can

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Speaker 18: be looking at increasing our paying conditions that are upcoming

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Speaker 18: Cletive agreement. We know that pay helps keep people in

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Speaker 18: the profession. We know that we if we want to

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Speaker 18: increase our literacy and numeracy rates, which we all want,

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Speaker 18: and we need specialist support and secondary and we need

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Speaker 18: to keep those specialist English maths teachers, specialist literacy and

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Speaker 18: numeracy teachers in the in the classroom in schools, and

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Speaker 18: so we really want to be looking at that as

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Speaker 18: we go into negotiations this year.

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Speaker 2: And of course you guarantee the kids' education.

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Speaker 18: Well absolutely we want we needed every young person's country

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Speaker 18: to maximize it, every child maximized to their full potential

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Speaker 18: if we'd want to deal with the issues we're facing

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Speaker 18: as a nation. And so we want to make sure

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Speaker 18: we've got the best, highly highly qualified person in front

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Speaker 18: of those young people.

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Speaker 2: Chris good luck. Christ is the people TA President and

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Speaker 2: this is news Storks HEMB.

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Speaker 15: Yes.

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Speaker 2: So the claim is that President Trump said the Americans

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Speaker 2: split the atom, and of course we know they didn't.

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Speaker 2: The first person to split the atom and it's Rutherford

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Speaker 2: and Nowsonian. He did it in England. And so we're

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Speaker 2: going to talk to Nick Smith about all of this,

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Speaker 2: and that's coming up here on Newstalks MB. It's five nineteen.

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Speaker 2: I'm Andrew Dickens. So the great split the atom controversy.

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Speaker 2: Everyone's clearing that Trump said that they split the atom.

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Speaker 2: Phil has texted me already and said Trump never said

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Speaker 2: they were first to split the atom, only that they

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Speaker 2: did split one. Others say they did split them in

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Speaker 2: the nuclear bomb. So what did Donald Trump say about

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Speaker 2: splitting the atoms?

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Speaker 10: Americans pushed thousands of miles through a rugged land of

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Speaker 10: untamed wilderness. They crossed desert, scaled mountains, braved untold dangers,

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Speaker 10: won the wild West, ended slavery, rescued millions from tyranny,

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Speaker 10: lifted billions from poverty, harnessed electricity, split the atom.

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Speaker 2: So This caused a controversy, so much so that Nick

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Speaker 2: Smith was upset about it. And Nick Smith joins me, now,

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Speaker 2: the mayor of Nelson, how are you, nick oh.

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Speaker 7: Box of birds? Good to join your programme?

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Speaker 2: He just said Americans split the atom. They have split

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Speaker 2: the atom. They didn't. He didn't say we were the

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Speaker 2: first to spit the atom. So why are we getting

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Speaker 2: our nickers in a knot?

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Speaker 7: I think you're splitting he is. If you read the

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Speaker 7: statement from Donald Trump in context, that was clear of

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Speaker 7: the implication was that they were the first to split

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Speaker 7: the atom, and that is incorrect. There is lots of

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Speaker 7: fantastic things that the United States of America has achieved,

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Speaker 7: but they don't need to ex appropriate the achievements of

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Speaker 7: Lord Rutherford of Nelson, where the historic record is very

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Speaker 7: clear that he was the first in nineteen seventeen to

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Speaker 7: artificially trigger a nuclear reaction and to split the atom.

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Speaker 7: That scientific record can't really be questioned. It worries me

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Speaker 7: a little bit in the sense of America is a

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Speaker 7: great country, but they don't need to be little the

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Speaker 7: achievements of others and the achievement of Ernest Rutherford with

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Speaker 7: that scientific work as the father of modern physics should

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Speaker 7: not be undermined or misread.

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Speaker 2: Well, you're a chance around and you're taking the chances

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Speaker 2: to promote your town.

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Speaker 7: Of course I am, and to celebrate the heritage. It

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Speaker 7: was extraordinary that a small boy that grew up in

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Speaker 7: a little place called Brightwater Foxhill and Hadlock, who went

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Speaker 7: to Nelson College, when on to make some of the

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Speaker 7: most amazing scientific discoveries in the early in the late

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Speaker 7: nineteenth and early twentieth century.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, I couldn't be taken away.

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Speaker 7: And it's inspirational for young New Zealanders that you can

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Speaker 7: come from a little town in a little country and

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Speaker 7: make that sort of contribution. And there's just no need

878
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Speaker 7: for President Trump to exappropriate things that other countries has

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Speaker 7: achieved in setting out his vision for America.

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Speaker 2: And look at this. It happens to be local body

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Speaker 2: election year and here you are standing for mayor of

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Speaker 2: Nelson and you're happen to be on nationwide radio.

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Speaker 7: Indeed, that's my job. My job is to be an

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Speaker 7: affricate for Nelson and I'll take up every opportunity to

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Speaker 7: do that.

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Speaker 2: All right, thank you so much, Nick, And I have

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Speaker 2: to say a lot of people are already commenting that

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Speaker 2: perhaps we're getting a little bit too worried about nothing.

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Speaker 2: It's an idiom, as many people have said, it is

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Speaker 2: five twenty two. I'll go through some of that reaction

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Speaker 2: in remote.

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Speaker 3: Checking the point of the story.

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Speaker 1: It's Ryan Bride John here, the duplicy Ellen drive with

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Speaker 1: one New Zealand let's get connected and us talk.

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Speaker 2: Say'd be trumped arrangement syndrome. You've heard about that. Some

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Speaker 2: of you are thinking that Nick Smith has it. Others

897
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Speaker 2: are not so sure. I'll tell you some some of

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Speaker 2: that reaction in a few moments time. But let's get

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Speaker 2: back to that inauguration speech, which I thought was fantastic.

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Speaker 2: It was great cinema. But here's one thing about it. It

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Speaker 2: feels a little bit like he's promising to take America

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Speaker 2: back to the future, back to a better time, a

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Speaker 2: prouder and richer time. So what's wrong with that? Nothing

904
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Speaker 2: is wrong with that. But he wants America to go

905
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Speaker 2: back to the internal combustion engine, that's for sure. He

906
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Speaker 2: wants to go back to making greater automobiles. He wants

907
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Speaker 2: to go back to oil, he says, Drill, baby, drill.

908
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Speaker 2: He wants to go back to manufacturing. He wants to

909
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Speaker 2: go back to Reagan's eighties, when America was richer and prouder,

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Speaker 2: But in doing so, you could argue he's sitting his

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Speaker 2: back on the future, because there is nothing wrong with progress.

912
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Speaker 2: If you're not progressing, you're standing still, and if you're

913
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Speaker 2: standing still, you're going backwards. And if you're going backwards,

914
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Speaker 2: you're dying. So there is nothing wrong with building the

915
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Speaker 2: greatest engine to power our economies. However, there is also

916
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Speaker 2: nothing wrong with an engine that does not pollute our planet.

917
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Speaker 2: A better engine. There's nothing wrong with building great automobiles.

918
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Speaker 2: But why do those automobiles need oil? Like you'll make

919
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Speaker 2: elon Musk and Tesla. There is nothing wrong. We're finding

920
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:27,360
Speaker 2: a renewable energy source and replacing oil, and there's nothing

921
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Speaker 2: wrong with that. And in fact, to find those sorts

922
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Speaker 2: of answers that it would be true American exceptionalism, because

923
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Speaker 2: too many people these days politicize it. Too many people

924
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Speaker 2: these days confuse progress with progressivism, and they are vastly

925
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Speaker 2: different things. Progress is what you do to become better

926
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Speaker 2: every single day, and the only people who don't want

927
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Speaker 2: that people who are afraid of change and want to

928
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Speaker 2: go back Andrew dickens, Oh do you continue, Oh, US America,

929
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Speaker 2: please do not call it the name of a continent.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, the United States of America. There it is

931
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Speaker 2: all right. Next Smith and the controversy over President Trump's

932
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Speaker 2: statements about Lord Rutherford, if at all America split the

933
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Speaker 2: atom is what he said? Oh my god, who is this?

934
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Speaker 2: Next Smith says Ben, he's full of it. Trump never

935
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Speaker 2: said what Smith's saying. Candor says, I'm a national supporter.

936
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Speaker 2: But Nick has totally missed the point here about Trump's statement.

937
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Speaker 2: He has misinterpreted it, and that becomes a joke. Someone says, oh,

938
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Speaker 2: this is Sam says, honestly, Trump was clearly referring to

939
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 2: the Manhattan Project, where atoms were definitely split. Getting upset

940
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 2: about Trump claiming they split the atom as as silly

941
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Speaker 2: as thinking that Elon Musk made a fascist salute today,

942
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Speaker 2: take a good look at the video. Make your mind

943
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Speaker 2: up for yourself. Nick, Listen, we all heard it when

944
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Speaker 2: Andrew played it. Trump was okay. He was talking about

945
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Speaker 2: the great things that American has done as a descendant

946
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Speaker 2: of Rutherford. Says deb I'm okay with him. Hey, the

947
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Speaker 2: huddle's on the way. This says News Talks. He'll be stay.

948
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Speaker 3: I wann't you.

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Speaker 11: I need you olga uh need.

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Speaker 3: It's beautiful, says it.

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Speaker 1: Hook moving the big stories of the day forward. It's

952
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Speaker 1: Andrew Dickens on Hither Duples see Alan dry with one

953
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Speaker 1: New Zealand let's get connected News Talks.

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Speaker 12: It'd be.

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Speaker 2: So I was welcome to the program. I'm Andrew Dickens.

956
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 2: It is twenty four to six of here because he

957
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Speaker 2: had a baby last week, Mackay girl eight pounds six.

958
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 2: Apparently he completely adores Mackay. Obviously Barrion's Heather completely adoring

959
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 2: mcau We all adore mackay. But that means that I'm

960
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Speaker 2: here for the rest of the and right next week

961
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:04,439
Speaker 2: now coming up after six o'clock. It's obviously a tough

962
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Speaker 2: time to be looking for a job at the moment's

963
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Speaker 2: job adds are falling, and of course everybody wants jobs

964
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Speaker 2: and everyone wants pay rises. So we're talking to Megan

965
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Speaker 2: Alexander from Robert Half about how you can get our

966
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Speaker 2: job and how you can get a pay rise. Meanwhile,

967
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Speaker 2: I have a text through that says where is the

968
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Speaker 2: statue of Lord at Rutherford and Nelson? I can tell

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Speaker 2: you it's in a place called Brightwater. I know this

970
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Speaker 2: because I've been there. I did the Great Taste Trail

971
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Speaker 2: on a bike for three days and it was beautiful

972
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Speaker 2: in a roade through Brightwater. And there is the memorial

973
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Speaker 2: featuring a statue of him at a as a young boy.

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Speaker 2: He was born in spring Grove. It's a lovely little statue.

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Speaker 2: It's in a pattic. It's just off the side of

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Speaker 2: the town and it's a lot of brick and I

977
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 2: have to say I kind of was underwhelmed. So if

978
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Speaker 2: Nick wants to do something for Lord Ernest Rutherford, how

979
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Speaker 2: about sprushing up the memorial twenty three to six? All right,

980
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 2: two ads we go. The Advertising Standards Authority has had

981
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 2: a busy year and people have been writing for more

982
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:04,400
Speaker 2: complaints about advertisements. And you wouldn't believe some of the

983
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 2: things they find offensive. Somewhere upheld, A lot of silly

984
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 2: ones were in there. So let's talk about the silly ones.

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Speaker 2: Hillary Suter right now is the chief executive of the ASA.

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Speaker 2: Hello Hillary, how are you today?

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Speaker 4: Hi Andrew?

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00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:21,280
Speaker 2: I'm well, thank you very good. Okay. So many ads,

989
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Speaker 2: twenty five of them. They're in the Herald if you

990
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Speaker 2: really want to know. Somebody's complained that an AD features

991
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:27,720
Speaker 2: nose picking? What's that about?

992
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 19: Well, I think it's what's interesting to us about people

993
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 19: looking at ads is they often pick up one issue

994
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 19: in an AD that's running for say thirty seconds. That's

995
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Speaker 19: a TVCN which pushes their buttons. And in this case,

996
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 19: this particular complainants thought that it was pretty inappropriate, all well,

997
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 19: unnecessary to show nose picking in.

998
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:47,399
Speaker 4: A TV AD.

999
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 2: All right, someone was afraid unhappy about cars failing to

1000
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 2: stop for pedestrians. I thought that was Should I tell

1001
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 2: the one that really got me? Somebody complained about the

1002
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 2: pet insure ad, which I'm sure we all know about,

1003
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Speaker 2: which is where a kid drops a pet and the

1004
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Speaker 2: pet breaks its leg and that the medical costs eight

1005
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 2: thousand dollars and Dad's not happy about it and suddenly

1006
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 2: drew the long bow. That that meant that ad was

1007
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 2: advocating that it's okay to abuse animals as long as

1008
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Speaker 2: you have pet insurance.

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Speaker 15: I mean, hello, Yes, we see a range.

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Speaker 19: Of consumer takeout. So when we're looking at these complaints,

1011
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 19: that's the first thing the chair of the complaints board

1012
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 19: will think about, is this a likely consumer takeout or

1013
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 19: is this perhaps a more extreme view, and that often

1014
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:35,279
Speaker 19: plays into whether or not there's a threshold has been

1015
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 19: met to be a possible breach of the code. And

1016
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Speaker 19: so that was that person's interpretation of the AD. I'm

1017
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 19: sure there are other people who thought it was just

1018
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 19: highlighting a particular service. If you've got pets, if you

1019
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:48,360
Speaker 19: want to help reduce the risk of some you know,

1020
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Speaker 19: having to pay a big bill for an animal that's

1021
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Speaker 19: it's heard or unwell.

1022
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,720
Speaker 2: Great, but aren't they wasting your time?

1023
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,720
Speaker 19: Look, we've got an open and transparent process. If anyone

1024
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 19: sees an AD they don't like or they have a

1025
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 19: problem with that could be a breach of our codes,

1026
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 19: they can complain to us.

1027
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 4: They have to go through a series of steps.

1028
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Speaker 19: When they do that, so that's not there's some hurdles.

1029
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:13,240
Speaker 19: So people have to really want to do it.

1030
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 4: And they have to give us their details.

1031
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:18,839
Speaker 19: We need their contact information. And for the people who

1032
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 19: want to go through that process, we're happy to take

1033
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 19: the time to look at their concerns.

1034
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Speaker 2: Hillary On behalf of everybody who has common sense. I'm

1035
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 2: sorry that your time has been so wasted, but I

1036
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:28,800
Speaker 2: thank you for your time today.

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Speaker 19: Thanks Andrew the Huddle with New.

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Speaker 1: Zealand Southerby's International Realty, local and global exposure like no other.

1039
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Speaker 2: So it is six twenty and we welcome to the huddle.

1040
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Speaker 2: Jordan Williams from the Taxpayers Unions and Richard Hills and

1041
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 2: the Orkanstity Council give our gents shuder very good. The ads,

1042
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Speaker 2: I mean, the pickys the most peculiar, and the question

1043
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Speaker 2: lies that a lot of people in New Zealand have

1044
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 2: turned into humorless whiners. And do you agree with that, Richard? Absolutely.

1045
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Speaker 20: The complaints go from the most random round picking, you

1046
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:07,400
Speaker 20: know's too ridiculous, around vibrators and different things around.

1047
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Speaker 9: No, no, it wasn't that it was vibrators. It was

1048
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:13,879
Speaker 9: the claim that vibrators could help with your marriage, Oh right,

1049
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 9: that was what was deemed to be terribly misleading, and

1050
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Speaker 9: the fact.

1051
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Speaker 20: That a Maori man was driving a car fask was

1052
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Speaker 20: racist and different things. So it is. I think most

1053
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Speaker 20: of them aimed to be humorous, and we're probably tested

1054
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Speaker 20: on audiences and most audiences probably found them quite funny.

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Speaker 2: What do you reckon, Jordan?

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Speaker 9: I mean, yeah, listening to that, if you I've dealt

1057
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Speaker 9: with it, won't come as a surprise Andrew that the

1058
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Speaker 9: Taxpayers Union and some of the clients of my digital

1059
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 9: marketing agency are subject to many a complaint over the years,

1060
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:47,399
Speaker 9: and Hillary is fantastic to deal with. Unfortunately, though her

1061
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 9: board though more and more a sort of leaning into

1062
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:53,799
Speaker 9: that sort of politically motivated complaints. I'd push back. She

1063
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:55,399
Speaker 9: made the comment at the end about it being very

1064
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 9: open and transparent process. Well, no, not really. They don't

1065
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Speaker 9: disclose to the subject of the complaint, who has complained

1066
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Speaker 9: and what we have faced. And I mean we've literally

1067
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Speaker 9: faced hundreds of them at the Taxpayers Union. We've never

1068
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:12,879
Speaker 9: lost one, we have settled one. But it's very clear

1069
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Speaker 9: a lot of them are simply complaining for wrong think,

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Speaker 9: and particularly in the area of you know, treaty principles

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Speaker 9: and things like that. It does appear that that sort

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Speaker 9: of unfortunate world you know, our particular worldview, is creeping

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Speaker 9: through and prohibiting what I would consider quite legitimate political advocacy.

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Speaker 2: Sure, sure, but I mean we've got the same thing

1075
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Speaker 2: with Nick Smith actually from Nelson actually complaining about the

1076
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Speaker 2: Trump thing about about Lord Rutherford. Of course it happens

1077
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Speaker 2: to the election year as well, but it appears that

1078
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Speaker 2: he's drawn too many people drawn awfully long bow about

1079
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Speaker 2: what they see in front of them, and sometimes something

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Speaker 2: is exactly what it is.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, absolutely, I think. I think actually there was a

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Speaker 20: rappayers Allance did some mads with me just as a clown.

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Speaker 20: You know that I could have complained about that, but

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Speaker 20: the most of them are humor.

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Speaker 3: Sure it was, I'm sure you fantastic.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, yeah, I probably did, and it was probably funny.

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Speaker 9: And I didn't recall that one, but that was it.

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Speaker 9: I probably like the weekly it was about.

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Speaker 2: Obviously, the big story of the day is the inauguration,

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Speaker 2: and when I walked watch the studio boys, big story

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Speaker 2: of the day is what happened over the last twelve

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Speaker 2: hours with the inauguration won a long day for Donald Trump,

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Speaker 2: and we'll talk about that right after the break.

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Speaker 1: You go the huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty

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Speaker 1: Elevate the marketing of your home.

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Speaker 2: It is a quarter to six and on the huddle

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Speaker 2: today we've got Jordan Williams of the Taxpayers Union and

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Speaker 2: city councilor from Auckland, Richard Hills, and of course the

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Speaker 2: big story of the day is Donald Trump's inauguration? Now,

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Speaker 2: who woke up early to watch the Telly?

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Speaker 9: I did to listen to it, but I left it

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Speaker 9: too late. I work. I woke up at six or

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Speaker 9: think I see the alarm for ten to six and

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Speaker 9: it was already halfway over. I did not.

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Speaker 2: Okay, can I just say it was a great show,

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Speaker 2: and I actually thought it was a brilliant inauguration and

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Speaker 2: I think it actually ended hopeful, though some people think

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Speaker 2: it ended dark. What did you think, Jordan?

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Speaker 9: It was much more specific in terms of his policies

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Speaker 9: I'm going to do as opposed to visionary and a

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Speaker 9: little bit sort of political airy fairy. But then that's

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Speaker 9: reflective of a guy who's been there, done that, and

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Speaker 9: clearly has a much more concrete plan of where he

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Speaker 9: wants to take the US this time around.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, I think everyone's getting what they You know, if

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Speaker 20: you hate him, you hating what was put out today.

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Speaker 20: If you love him, you're loving it. I think America

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Speaker 20: has got what they voted for. I think some of

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Speaker 20: it is pretty bloody around.

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Speaker 9: In the Panama, back to the advertising doing what it

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Speaker 9: says on the ten.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the Panama Canal and the Gulf of

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Speaker 2: Mexico thing. I think that's just a little bit of

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Speaker 2: you know, positioning and a little bit of branding. But

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Speaker 2: he's doing some real stuff. He is doing tariffs on

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Speaker 2: Mexico and Canada and they are starting feb the first,

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Speaker 2: and they are twenty five percent, and he's warning the

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Speaker 2: to the world later and he's got straight back into it.

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Speaker 16: Richard.

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Speaker 20: What I can't understand is if you look across the polling,

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Speaker 20: the biggest issue there and why many governments are getting

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Speaker 20: thrown out across the world was inflation and was economy.

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Speaker 20: And we just know that the tariffs, if you look

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Speaker 20: at the maths, are going to increase costs for American citizens.

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Speaker 20: So it is going to be interesting to watch, and

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Speaker 20: especially if it starts a bit of a trade war.

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Speaker 20: What then happens across the world If do we end

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Speaker 20: up back in an inflation spiral. I really hope not.

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Speaker 9: And this was the argument that the lost opportunity for

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Speaker 9: the Dems. You know, they were steering at a candidate

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Speaker 9: that was offering the largest tax increases in our lifetimes

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Speaker 9: in the US, and yet they couldn't make the argument

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Speaker 9: because they were so blinded by the red mist of Trump.

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Speaker 2: This is true. But at the same time, there is

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Speaker 2: a reality to economics. When you've got a country like

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Speaker 2: America which is heavily indebted. You know, you think we've

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Speaker 2: got bad government spending or high government spending and higher

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Speaker 2: levels of debt. Welcome to America.

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Speaker 9: I mean, our biggest geopolitical risk other than Ukraine and China.

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Speaker 9: Actually argue that even bigger than Taiwan is the US eficit.

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Speaker 9: That yeah know that when because when that band stops playing,

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Speaker 9: it is going to hurt everyone good time.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So the attitude that New Zealander should take towards

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump, you know, some people go, we should not

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Speaker 2: talk to him at all. That person is racist and

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Speaker 2: sexist and all that. But you know that's what the

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Speaker 2: Americans wanted. They voted for it. He's got the mandate.

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Speaker 2: His approval ratings after today fifty nine percent, So Americans

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Speaker 2: are loving this sort of thing. We don't have the

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Speaker 2: right to say that, do we.

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Speaker 20: Oh, everyone got the right to say whatever they want.

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Speaker 20: I think we've found that out with Trump. But I

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Speaker 20: think I think I saw people criticizing lux and for

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Speaker 20: congratulating him. Of course we're going to congratulate him. Luck

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Speaker 20: he is the president for four years. I think a

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Speaker 20: lot of people it's important for people to speak up

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Speaker 20: and call them out, but it doesn't really work. So

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Speaker 20: I mean, you do have to work with him. This

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Speaker 20: government and the minister is going to have to work

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Speaker 20: with him. If it was a labor prime minister, they

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Speaker 20: would be saying congratulations Donald Trump as well. You do

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Speaker 20: not want to make enemies with the biggest leaders, but

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Speaker 20: you do have to call out the stuff that does

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Speaker 20: seem ridiculous or may harm our country others. But yeah,

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Speaker 20: you're not going to not work with them.

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Speaker 9: And also the middle has shifted significantly. I was in

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Speaker 9: New York only ten days after the election and was

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Speaker 9: astounded that I was as an underground comedy club that

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Speaker 9: a good friend takes me to when I'm in Manhattan,

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Speaker 9: and only what ten days after the election, the comedians

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Speaker 9: were already not only mocking Sleepy Joe and of course Trump,

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Speaker 9: but Camilla as well. And I put to you that

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Speaker 9: when Hillary lost to Trump, there is no why ten

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Speaker 9: days after the election a New York audience would be

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Speaker 9: laughing jokes on it. And that actually suggests to me

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Speaker 9: that even in New York there is an appreciation of

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Speaker 9: why Trump won, and I mean, frankly, spending time in

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Speaker 9: any of the major DM cities in the US, you

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Speaker 9: see the difference pre COVID versus post.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, gets you. And I saw somebody who has texted

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Speaker 2: us today who said, look, I'm a Republican, but I

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Speaker 2: have to vote while holding my nose for Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: But at the same time, there ain't anybody better. In fact,

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Speaker 2: the people who were up against them were worse. So

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Speaker 2: you have to vote. Someone's going to do it. Someone's

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Speaker 2: got to run. And that's a lesson to the Democrats.

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Speaker 2: But you know, then you get certain things. He's decided

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Speaker 2: to pardon instantly, pardon fifteen hundred people who stormed the

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Speaker 2: rotunda of the capital, which is the very building where

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Speaker 2: he just got inaugurated end because it was so cold,

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Speaker 2: and we've all seen the telly. Those fifteen hundred people,

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Speaker 2: they're not good people, Richard.

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Speaker 12: Yeah.

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Speaker 20: I mean, I don't really understand that since when it's

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Speaker 20: been sort of a left wing thing to support the police.

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Speaker 20: I mean that those people, if you look back on

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Speaker 20: those videos, you know, you can look at the politics

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Speaker 20: or whatever, but they did storm a government holding. That's

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Speaker 20: not the sort of thing you should be seeing in

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Speaker 20: a in a first world country or anywhere, and they

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Speaker 20: did beat and hurt, and in some cases there were

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Speaker 20: cops that died. So it seems a really strange message.

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Speaker 20: And I hear the you know, the top cops in

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Speaker 20: America saying it does send a pretty poor message that

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Speaker 20: politically you can just storm, break and smash things, beat

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Speaker 20: up cops and everything will be fine. I think on

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Speaker 20: either side of politics that shouldn't be accepted. But it

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Speaker 20: seems it has.

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Speaker 9: Trumps on both houses. I mean the Biden's final act,

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Speaker 9: whether he might not have been copas mentis that know

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Speaker 9: what he was doing?

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Speaker 2: But this stuff out people what he's doing.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, as people know what he's doing, and he's and

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Speaker 9: he's providing ambassy for his members of his own family preemptively.

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Speaker 2: Is that because they've got something to hide?

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Speaker 9: Wells would you do it?

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Speaker 18: Well?

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Speaker 2: Then he's fearing a reprise of reprisal retribution from the

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Speaker 2: titled Trump because it's mean and nasty.

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Speaker 9: Year always talked up about Trump because of the comment

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Speaker 9: about you know, with Hillary Clinton, when you'd be in prison.

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Speaker 9: But the record speaks for itself. You know, he didn't

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Speaker 9: last time round. Arguably the victim of law for it

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Speaker 9: goes the other way. Look, I'm no fan of Trump,

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Speaker 9: and I whenever I take a position on Trump, I

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Speaker 9: get half of the supporters of the tax Bars Union

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Speaker 9: email me saying that I took the wrong view. But

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Speaker 9: I think you can acknowledge that there is at least

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Speaker 9: boxes on both houses there. That'sk that's a shame.

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Speaker 20: I think the whole system is a random I think

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Speaker 20: the whole system is random that you can just randomly

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Speaker 20: pardon whoever you want on the way out.

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Speaker 9: I think it's a safeguard.

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Speaker 3: We have it.

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Speaker 9: Okay, we have it in our constitutional monarchy as well

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Speaker 9: of pars.

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Speaker 2: Gentlemen, I'm about to talk about how the best way

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Speaker 2: to get a job, because it's hard to get a

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Speaker 2: job at the moment, and of course you are employers

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Speaker 2: in one way or another. Best thing that someone who

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Speaker 2: wants a job with the taxpayers.

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Speaker 9: It's been half today work through CVS. It's tailoring your

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Speaker 9: cover letter for the actual job as particularly if it's

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Speaker 9: part time or full time. And secondly, at least proof

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Speaker 9: read what the AI is Britain.

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Speaker 20: Well, obviously my role's a bit different. We go out

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Speaker 20: and I have you're an Auking Council. I have to

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Speaker 20: ten people.

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Speaker 2: You employ ten thousand people.

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Speaker 20: We don't employ them directly, and I guess my job

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Speaker 20: application goes with tens of thousands of people. But I think,

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Speaker 20: I mean, the main thing is that it's a bit Pollyanna.

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Speaker 20: Is just you know, having positive relationships people on your

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Speaker 20: on your CV that will speak up for you and

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Speaker 20: that that positive record. So making sure that you're going

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Speaker 20: in with a truthful interview and having good people to

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Speaker 20: back you up.

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Speaker 2: Great stuff. Richard Hills and Jordan Williams. I thank you.

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Speaker 1: Red or Blue, Trump or Harris? Who will win the

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Speaker 1: battleground states? The latest on the US election, it's Heather

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Speaker 1: Duplicy allan drive with one New Zealand Let's get connected,

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Speaker 1: youth talk b.

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Speaker 12: B.

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Speaker 2: One last point about Trump and then we won't talk

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Speaker 2: about him for a long time because he is a

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Speaker 2: lawfully elected Democratic president the United States of America and

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Speaker 2: he has a mandate. But he was in the middle

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Speaker 2: of signing a bunch of executive orders in the Oval

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Speaker 2: Oval Office, and he was talking to journalists while there,

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Speaker 2: and then one of the journalists just casually said, did

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Speaker 2: Biden leave you a letter? And then Donald said, you

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Speaker 2: may have. Well, don't they leave it in the I

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Speaker 2: don't know.

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Speaker 5: What's in their compare.

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Speaker 2: It could have been years before we got.

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Speaker 12: Wow, thank you.

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Speaker 2: Maybe we should all read it together.

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Speaker 3: Well, maybe I'll read it.

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Speaker 2: First and then make that I would not read that

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Speaker 2: altogether if I was you, Donald, because you don't know

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Speaker 2: what's in it, and that's called being prepared. But he didn't,

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Speaker 2: and that's all good. Congratulations Donald Trump. It was a

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Speaker 2: hell of a party, I have to say. And he

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Speaker 2: worked very, very hard and he looked good. Now you

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Speaker 2: want a job, how do you get it? We've got

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Speaker 2: some who is going to give you the advice about

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Speaker 2: how to get a job in a few moments time.

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Speaker 2: We've got brad Olshin coming up. He knows that kiwis

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Speaker 2: go to the shops just as often as always these days,

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Speaker 2: however they're spending less. The facts and figures about that.

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Speaker 2: Jam and McKay on rural issues, and we'll also preview

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Speaker 2: the inflation result which will be out tomorrow. It's all

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Speaker 2: go as we mean business between six and seven here

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Speaker 2: on Newstalks at begin.

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Speaker 3: What's up? What's down?

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Speaker 1: One with a major cause and how will it affect

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Speaker 1: the economy, the Big Business Questions on the Business Hour

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Speaker 1: with Edred Dickens News Talks at b AS.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the program, and it's the seventh sorry, seven

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Speaker 2: minutes alf to six. It is the twenty fifth of January.

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Speaker 2: We're talking business. We're going to talk about the inflation

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Speaker 2: figures which will be released tomorrow, December quarter figures out tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: We're going to talk to Brad Olsen about retail. But

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Speaker 2: first it is fair to say it is a tough

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Speaker 2: time if you're looking for a job at the moment.

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Speaker 2: Seek report of this morning the job ads fell two

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Speaker 2: percent in December and we're down twenty two percent compared

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Speaker 2: to December twenty twenty three, so there's not many jobs.

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Speaker 2: At the same time, a survey by recruitment agency Robert

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Speaker 2: Half has found sixty four percent of employees want to

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Speaker 2: pay rise this year. So Meghan and Alexander works for

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Speaker 2: Robert Half of fact Mega and Alexander is the managing

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Speaker 2: director of Robert Half and joins me right now. Good morning,

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Speaker 2: so not good morning, good evening, Mega, Hi Andrew. So

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Speaker 2: people are looking for jobs. How do you stand out?

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Speaker 21: Look, you have to definitely have the full package in

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Speaker 21: today's climate.

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Speaker 7: So you've got to have.

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Speaker 21: An experience that is relevant for the job. You've got

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Speaker 21: to articulate it really well. You have to demonstrate activity

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Speaker 21: using initiative and all those people school elements are being

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Speaker 21: able to communicate, and so you really have to turn

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Speaker 21: up and make it count when you go to interview

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Speaker 21: and then be able to follow it through. Obviously your

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Speaker 21: task will catch up with you. So if you haven't

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Speaker 21: been demonstrating that in the workplace, now is a very

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Speaker 21: difficult time to start turning up to an interview without

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Speaker 21: having that behind you, because people are going to reference you,

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Speaker 21: and so it is a case of actually really selling

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Speaker 21: yourself well.

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Speaker 2: And obviously we don't have to know every minutiae of

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Speaker 2: your life lived.

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Speaker 7: No, you have to think.

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Speaker 21: About the relevance to the job that you're applying for

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Speaker 21: and thinking about the receiver, the interviewer. What information do

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Speaker 21: they think is pertinent that you can relay good examples

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Speaker 21: of how you've got advantage for an organization or done

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Speaker 21: something similar so that they can see why they would

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Speaker 21: want you on their team.

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Speaker 2: Portrait pictures on CVS.

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Speaker 7: Is this a thing?

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Speaker 21: It shouldn't be right.

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Speaker 5: So.

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Speaker 21: Saveys to me are a sales document that should portray

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Speaker 21: your skill sets. But you certainly don't want people making

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Speaker 21: preconceived ideas about the way you look. And so I

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Speaker 21: think portraits are things that shouldn't be on a CV.

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Speaker 2: But what if you look awesome?

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Speaker 21: Look awesome, it's always in the eyes of the beholder.

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Speaker 2: That's true. Okay, So it's a punt where you have

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Speaker 2: to say it's a punt. What about flexibility because many people,

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Speaker 2: especially over the COVID period and after that, started asking

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Speaker 2: for flexibility more and more demanding it at some stages,

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Speaker 2: but at this moment in our economic cycle, other times

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Speaker 2: of working from home and asking for heaps of flexibility over.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, we definitely saw a significant change at Robert haff

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Speaker 21: come through all the different industries last year. So certainly

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Speaker 21: office workers have been called back to offices. You know,

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Speaker 21: SMA New Zealand was never really a huge fan of

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Speaker 21: hybrid working and so they sort of called back people earlier.

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Speaker 21: But some of the big corporates were slower to adapt,

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Speaker 21: and we've seen a lot of big corporates go from

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Speaker 21: a three to two three days in the office to

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Speaker 21: at home or by versa back into a four to

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Speaker 21: one model. Being four days in the office and one

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Speaker 21: at home. So some companies have still got a little

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Speaker 21: bit of it, but it's you know, a lot of

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Speaker 21: it went last year. What the employees I'm looking for

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Speaker 21: is a lot more flexibility. So if I've got to

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Speaker 21: drop the kids or pick up the kids, or if

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Speaker 21: I've got the plumber coming today, can I work from

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Speaker 21: home on that one day versus I want a set.

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Speaker 17: Day every week.

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Speaker 21: So that world has already changed. It changed significantly in

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Speaker 21: twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 2: Now your company, Robert haf to the survey, I found

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Speaker 2: that sixty four percent of employees want to pay rise

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Speaker 2: this year. I mean every year, almost one hundred percent

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Speaker 2: of employees. I would have thought we'll want to pay rise.

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Speaker 2: But the thing is it's hard times. So for those

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Speaker 2: employees wanting a pay rise this year, how do you

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Speaker 2: get that?

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Speaker 8: Have you really.

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Speaker 21: Worked very effectively and showed that you've been at the

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Speaker 21: top of the third chain, that you've really added value

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Speaker 21: to the organization, gone over and beyond. So if you're

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Speaker 21: going to ask for a pay rise, you've actually got

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Speaker 21: to demonstrate that you've been able to deliver value to

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Speaker 21: that company. I mean, salaries are not moving its significant

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Speaker 21: rights anymore. And so some people are asking for pay

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Speaker 21: rises because they were sort of used to them over

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Speaker 21: the last three or four years, although they started to

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Speaker 21: drop away last year, so that was it were normal years, right,

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Speaker 21: and so if you go back in time, accealaries used

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Speaker 21: to rise at say three or four percent. So what

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Speaker 21: we saw last year was high performing people would get

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Speaker 21: pay rises at maybe six percent, and lower performing people

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Speaker 21: weren't getting them. And so we've got this disparity that

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Speaker 21: crept in last year.

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Speaker 2: All right, But you can't really suggest that to a

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Speaker 2: future employer, yeah though, can you? You just have to

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Speaker 2: hope that they realize this as well. So this is

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Speaker 2: a message you're sitting out to employers too.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, Look, you have to you have to back up

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Speaker 21: with the goods of your performance, right, So if you're

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Speaker 21: going to ask, you need to have you need to

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Speaker 21: come to places like Robert Half and get market information,

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Speaker 21: because there's no point in asking for a salary rise

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Speaker 21: if the market is not doing that to your swim sets.

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Speaker 7: So first and foremost you need to look credible.

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Speaker 21: With market knowledge, and then you have to have examples

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Speaker 21: of how why you believe that you should be getting

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Speaker 21: that pay rise based on your performance.

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Speaker 8: Good justify that good stuff.

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Speaker 2: Meghan Alexander and Meghan is the managing director of Robert

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Speaker 2: Harf and Amandrew Dickins. Remember that television series Voice and

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Speaker 2: the Black Stuff where Bernard's the actor. Bernard's went around

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Speaker 2: and the way he asked for a job. He would

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Speaker 2: just walk into a place and go get a job.

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Speaker 2: Job gives a job, gives a job. Six thirteen Good News.

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Speaker 2: Retail spendings up, but there are catches. Brad Olsen has

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Speaker 2: been looking over the figures. He's here next.

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Speaker 1: Analysis from the experts, bringing you everything you need to

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Speaker 1: know on the US election. It's The Business Hour with

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Speaker 1: Heather Dupleic Allen and my Hr. THEHR solution for busy

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Speaker 1: SMEs used talks EDB. If it's to do with money,

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Speaker 1: it matters to you.

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Speaker 3: The Business Hour with Andrew Dickens on US Talks EDB.

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Speaker 2: It is six sixteen in New Zealand. It's currently sixteen

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Speaker 2: minutes after midnight the in Washington and Donald Trump and

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Speaker 2: family and Vice President j d Vance are currently at

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Speaker 2: the Starlight Ball and we are seeing pictures of them

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Speaker 2: still dancing. It's a quarter past twelve at night. And

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Speaker 2: the day has been going forever. And he's done press

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Speaker 2: Q and a's, and he's done executive orders and the inauguration.

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Speaker 2: It has been a very big day for Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: Now some good news for retailers today. Electronic card'spin was

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Speaker 2: up in December compared to November. This is electronic The

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Speaker 2: total value of electronic card spending roses seasonally adjusted one

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Speaker 2: point five percent. I mean, spending is now back to

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Speaker 2: levels last seen in November twenty twenty three. And of course,

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Speaker 2: infor Metrics, principal economist Brad Olsen looks over this stuff

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Speaker 2: that he joins in our Hello Brad, good afternoon and

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Speaker 2: a happy new year. Because this is the first time

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Speaker 2: we've spoken. You've looked at the data. What does it say?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, you're right.

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Speaker 22: I mean, we have seen effectively a bit of a

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Speaker 22: stronger end to the year coming through when we look

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Speaker 22: at core retail sales, so stripping out some of the

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Speaker 22: volatility that we often see in the numbers, and on

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Speaker 22: a seasonally adjusted basis, that increased one point eight percent.

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Speaker 22: That was the that's I think five months now in

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Speaker 22: a row. We have seen it pick up from a

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Speaker 22: low point in July. So that's certainly helping that idea

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Speaker 22: that we are seeing those greener shoots coming through in

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Speaker 22: the economy. I think important still to recognize that compared

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Speaker 22: to a year ago, spending was still lower, and of

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Speaker 22: course we've had higher inflation over the last couple of years,

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Speaker 22: we've seen population growth, and so you know, spending per

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Speaker 22: person and the amount of goods being taken out of

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Speaker 22: store still isn't great. But it's a continued sort of

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Speaker 22: shift in trend when it comes to spending, and that's

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Speaker 22: certainly giving us a bit more optimism as we head

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Speaker 22: into this year.

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Speaker 2: That's good thinking that it shows that we are still

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Speaker 2: going into stores, but when we go into stores, we

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Speaker 2: spend less each.

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Speaker 22: That's very much true. Yeah, but you're totally right there

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Speaker 22: that spending per transaction has come down, and we have

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Speaker 22: got some data from throughout twenty twenty four that suggests

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Speaker 22: that there's sort of two things going on there. One,

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Speaker 22: people are discount hunting a little bit more. They're definitely

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Speaker 22: looking for a bargain, and that's of course driving down

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Speaker 22: sort of per transaction spend, but it's also that people

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Speaker 22: aren't spending as much on some of those bigger, higher

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Speaker 22: value items, and in particular you look at the likes

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Speaker 22: of furniture and you know, electronics and similar, people are

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Speaker 22: instead spending on the smaller end of the spectrum because

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Speaker 22: that's what they can afford at the moment. So that's

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Speaker 22: dropped things back as well. It was interesting looking across

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Speaker 22: the type of spending two that the likes of there

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Speaker 22: has been a bit of an increase in that bigger

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Speaker 22: end of town, the durable items. But as well as

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Speaker 22: that sort of still some trends that are showing that

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Speaker 22: compared to where we were middle of last year, the

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Speaker 22: likes of hospitality spending has also increased to touch. So look,

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Speaker 22: we're not there. This is not sort of you know,

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Speaker 22: the economic champagne corks have popped, but again just that

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Speaker 22: sort of feeling that we're starting to head more in

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Speaker 22: the right direction.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's still nine point two three billion dollars and

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Speaker 2: there's still money and cash flow as king. But here's

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Speaker 2: the thing we're talking about December. December was Christmas time,

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Speaker 2: So couldn't we have expected an even greater increase because

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Speaker 2: of Christmas?

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Speaker 22: We do have the stats that have taken that into accounts.

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Speaker 22: So because we seasonally just we take out the fact

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Speaker 22: that yet December is always big relative to normal. Even then,

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Speaker 22: it looks like there were parts of the sort of

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Speaker 22: Christmas period that were a bit better than normal. We

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Speaker 22: had Worldline reporting that suggested that spending at the start

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Speaker 22: of December was above what we saw in December twenty

1513
01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:09,680
Speaker 22: twenty three. In that lead up to last into the

1514
01:17:09,720 --> 01:17:12,880
Speaker 22: previous Christmas that got a little bit more challenging through

1515
01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:15,000
Speaker 22: the middle of the Christmas period, just because of course

1516
01:17:15,040 --> 01:17:17,640
Speaker 22: everyone's sort of going in and had been spending. There

1517
01:17:17,680 --> 01:17:19,519
Speaker 22: weren't quite as many deals on offer, and so a

1518
01:17:19,560 --> 01:17:21,519
Speaker 22: few people look like they sort of saved a bit

1519
01:17:21,560 --> 01:17:24,479
Speaker 22: of their cash, didn't spend it before Christmas came out

1520
01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:27,280
Speaker 22: with a resurgence on Boxing Day, when we saw a

1521
01:17:27,360 --> 01:17:30,600
Speaker 22: thirteen percent increase in spending on Boxing Day year on

1522
01:17:30,680 --> 01:17:33,360
Speaker 22: yet because people were bargain hunting. So it looks like

1523
01:17:33,520 --> 01:17:35,479
Speaker 22: through the month of December there have sort of been

1524
01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:37,960
Speaker 22: a few hot on a few cold patches, but on

1525
01:17:38,120 --> 01:17:40,479
Speaker 22: the whole, still not a bad result. And I think

1526
01:17:40,840 --> 01:17:42,800
Speaker 22: you know you noted that look that effectively that was

1527
01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:46,240
Speaker 22: last month. We're now twenty one days into January. We're

1528
01:17:46,280 --> 01:17:48,920
Speaker 22: not expecting that we'll see big big boosts each and

1529
01:17:49,120 --> 01:17:52,040
Speaker 22: every month. But as more people start to refix onto

1530
01:17:52,080 --> 01:17:53,960
Speaker 22: those low on mortgage rates, they'll have a bit more

1531
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:55,880
Speaker 22: cash to spend. They're not going to go and blow

1532
01:17:55,920 --> 01:17:58,240
Speaker 22: it immediately on big spending, but they'll do a little

1533
01:17:58,240 --> 01:17:59,160
Speaker 22: bit more here and there.

1534
01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:02,120
Speaker 2: Of course, inflation figures out tomorrow. We're talking to Paul

1535
01:18:02,120 --> 01:18:05,320
Speaker 2: Bloxham about it in just in about ten minutes time.

1536
01:18:05,479 --> 01:18:07,479
Speaker 2: You want to just float us a number that you

1537
01:18:07,560 --> 01:18:07,920
Speaker 2: might think.

1538
01:18:08,840 --> 01:18:11,040
Speaker 22: Our pick is two point zero percent. We're one of

1539
01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:14,040
Speaker 22: the lowest, I think the lowest of the domestic forecasts.

1540
01:18:14,120 --> 01:18:17,479
Speaker 22: So we're thinking that inflation comes in that little bit softer.

1541
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:20,719
Speaker 22: But I think almost more importantly, we're looking and thinking

1542
01:18:20,760 --> 01:18:23,160
Speaker 22: about the signals that have already been coming through for

1543
01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:26,479
Speaker 22: what's next. We've got that, of course, lower dollar, so

1544
01:18:26,840 --> 01:18:28,960
Speaker 22: in the sort of fear or the worry about important

1545
01:18:28,960 --> 01:18:30,519
Speaker 22: inflation still front of mine for us.

1546
01:18:30,720 --> 01:18:32,040
Speaker 2: Very good stuff, and I thank you for your time,

1547
01:18:32,120 --> 01:18:35,439
Speaker 2: Brad Olsen. And we're into the countryside next with JB.

1548
01:18:35,560 --> 01:18:41,160
Speaker 3: McKay the Rural Report on hither do for see allan.

1549
01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:45,679
Speaker 2: Drive Absolutely Now, of course Donald Trump is in power.

1550
01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:47,840
Speaker 2: And I said at the beginning of the program and

1551
01:18:48,080 --> 01:18:50,400
Speaker 2: That editorial is on our website News Talks for b

1552
01:18:50,479 --> 01:18:52,360
Speaker 2: dot co dot nzet. I'm worried about any one thing,

1553
01:18:52,760 --> 01:18:55,439
Speaker 2: and that is tariff's. So here is what Donald Trump

1554
01:18:55,520 --> 01:18:59,280
Speaker 2: said about tariff's today. I may, yeah, but we're not

1555
01:18:59,400 --> 01:18:59,840
Speaker 2: ready for that.

1556
01:19:00,360 --> 01:19:06,040
Speaker 10: We may put it wrap it because essentially, all countries

1557
01:19:06,080 --> 01:19:07,360
Speaker 10: take advantage of the US.

1558
01:19:08,920 --> 01:19:10,960
Speaker 3: Well, we don't make any good deals of the US.

1559
01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:14,160
Speaker 3: It's amazing in a way that we exist. We don't

1560
01:19:14,200 --> 01:19:16,280
Speaker 3: make good deals, we don't have any good deals.

1561
01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:19,200
Speaker 2: All countries take advantage of the United States. That means

1562
01:19:19,280 --> 01:19:21,240
Speaker 2: New Zealand. So what does it mean for New Zealand farmers?

1563
01:19:21,280 --> 01:19:24,360
Speaker 2: And Jbie McKay joins me right now from the country.

1564
01:19:24,400 --> 01:19:24,960
Speaker 2: Hello Jamie.

1565
01:19:25,720 --> 01:19:28,680
Speaker 8: Yeah, good Andrew and the new Year. Yeah, what does

1566
01:19:28,720 --> 01:19:31,439
Speaker 8: it mean for New Zealand farmers? Well, I had Todd

1567
01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:35,160
Speaker 8: McLay Trade Minister on the show today, and you know

1568
01:19:35,240 --> 01:19:37,559
Speaker 8: he's still hoping that we can do some deal, maybe

1569
01:19:37,640 --> 01:19:41,000
Speaker 8: a sweetheart deal with the US. We know he's going

1570
01:19:41,080 --> 01:19:42,920
Speaker 8: to get stuck into China, we know he's going to

1571
01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:45,880
Speaker 8: get stuck into Mexico and Canada or threatening to do so.

1572
01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:49,880
Speaker 8: But maybe because they really want what we've got. I

1573
01:19:50,479 --> 01:19:53,840
Speaker 8: are manufacturing beef for the burgers, we might be able

1574
01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:58,720
Speaker 8: to do something else. So what does a Trump presidency

1575
01:19:58,840 --> 01:20:02,799
Speaker 8: mean for New Zealand farmer? Well, lower dollars good tariffs

1576
01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:05,760
Speaker 8: are obviously bad. A cold war with China wouldn't play

1577
01:20:05,800 --> 01:20:08,600
Speaker 8: out well for US. As I said, the US is

1578
01:20:08,760 --> 01:20:14,320
Speaker 8: rapidly becoming our biggest red meat market, especially with beef.

1579
01:20:14,840 --> 01:20:18,240
Speaker 8: So a stronger US economy Minister Economy under Trump could

1580
01:20:18,280 --> 01:20:21,719
Speaker 8: be good for US and final Andrew. If he drills

1581
01:20:21,760 --> 01:20:26,040
Speaker 8: baby drills, that could lower world oil prices. So we're

1582
01:20:26,040 --> 01:20:28,679
Speaker 8: all holding our breath and waiting and seeing. Really yeah,

1583
01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:30,799
Speaker 8: but you know, how.

1584
01:20:30,720 --> 01:20:34,280
Speaker 2: Do we really affect the great global economy that is America?

1585
01:20:34,680 --> 01:20:36,640
Speaker 2: The huge economy? I mean, we're just a drop in

1586
01:20:36,680 --> 01:20:40,120
Speaker 2: the ocean. So please, as friends, do us a favor.

1587
01:20:41,040 --> 01:20:44,519
Speaker 2: Open Country Dairy has paid ten dollars for milk pecilar

1588
01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:48,760
Speaker 2: to two farmers for P two. What's up with that?

1589
01:20:49,120 --> 01:20:49,720
Speaker 7: What do you make of it?

1590
01:20:50,680 --> 01:20:53,120
Speaker 8: Well, it's good news, I guess, well it is good news,

1591
01:20:53,640 --> 01:20:56,920
Speaker 8: remembering that Fonterra is set it was four cart milk

1592
01:20:57,000 --> 01:21:00,200
Speaker 8: prices at ten dollars. So Open Country Dairy is it

1593
01:21:00,240 --> 01:21:02,760
Speaker 8: a wee bit different? Differently it pays out in milk

1594
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:06,680
Speaker 8: and four periods during the year, so P two is

1595
01:21:07,160 --> 01:21:10,599
Speaker 8: for October November milk, which is sort of peak period milk.

1596
01:21:10,600 --> 01:21:13,920
Speaker 8: There is a lot in that period. P one incidentally

1597
01:21:14,800 --> 01:21:18,160
Speaker 8: was Dune through to September. The beginning of the season,

1598
01:21:18,240 --> 01:21:20,599
Speaker 8: it was only eight eighty so on a weighted basis

1599
01:21:21,080 --> 01:21:24,360
Speaker 8: up till now, we've still got two periods to go open.

1600
01:21:24,439 --> 01:21:27,880
Speaker 8: Countries sitting in the in the mid nine so it's

1601
01:21:27,960 --> 01:21:30,479
Speaker 8: a wee bit behind Fonterra, so we'll have a look

1602
01:21:30,520 --> 01:21:32,960
Speaker 8: at that one. There is another, by the way Andrew

1603
01:21:33,080 --> 01:21:36,880
Speaker 8: Global Dairy Trade auction overnight whole milk powder and skim

1604
01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:40,560
Speaker 8: milk powder are typterized by maybe two percent off the

1605
01:21:40,640 --> 01:21:43,639
Speaker 8: back of Fonterra, removing a bit of volume from the platform.

1606
01:21:43,720 --> 01:21:46,840
Speaker 8: Of course we're passed those seasonal peaks, but a good

1607
01:21:47,120 --> 01:21:50,280
Speaker 8: pulse auction last week, that's the auction we run between

1608
01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:53,479
Speaker 8: the genet auctions. Strying out on the North Island might

1609
01:21:53,560 --> 01:21:57,520
Speaker 8: have an effect on production. And of course the sphares

1610
01:21:57,600 --> 01:22:01,240
Speaker 8: around foot and mouth disease in German after it was

1611
01:22:01,320 --> 01:22:04,960
Speaker 8: found in some water buffalo near Berlin, so fingers crossed

1612
01:22:05,200 --> 01:22:08,120
Speaker 8: we get a good GDT auction tonight Andrew, and that

1613
01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:11,880
Speaker 8: ten dollars holds for the dairy farmers of this country.

1614
01:22:12,280 --> 01:22:15,760
Speaker 2: They always are made. And finally, Federator Farmers want New

1615
01:22:15,840 --> 01:22:19,679
Speaker 2: Zealand banks to withdraw from a UN backed banking alliance.

1616
01:22:19,720 --> 01:22:20,320
Speaker 2: So tell me about that.

1617
01:22:21,200 --> 01:22:24,800
Speaker 8: Yeah, Well talking about America, Yeah, Federated Farmers are saying

1618
01:22:24,840 --> 01:22:27,439
Speaker 8: our banks need to follow the lead of the six

1619
01:22:27,560 --> 01:22:32,040
Speaker 8: biggest banks in America JP, Morgan, City Group, Bank of America,

1620
01:22:32,120 --> 01:22:36,000
Speaker 8: Morgan Stanley, Wells Fargo, and Goldman Sachs. They've all exited

1621
01:22:36,080 --> 01:22:39,920
Speaker 8: the UN backed banking alliance and they're leaving because of

1622
01:22:39,960 --> 01:22:44,320
Speaker 8: the lawsuits, potential lawsuits for anti competitive behavior within the

1623
01:22:44,439 --> 01:22:50,240
Speaker 8: banking sector, and obviously growing political pressure under a Trump regime. Now,

1624
01:22:50,360 --> 01:22:54,560
Speaker 8: this net zero banking alliance has been set up to

1625
01:22:55,360 --> 01:23:00,639
Speaker 8: align with lending policies, with everyone being car and zero

1626
01:23:00,840 --> 01:23:04,479
Speaker 8: by twenty fifty b and zenas a direct member. The

1627
01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:07,000
Speaker 8: others in New Zealand, the other five big banks West

1628
01:23:07,080 --> 01:23:11,000
Speaker 8: Paca and z ASB and Ravo Bank are affiliated with

1629
01:23:11,160 --> 01:23:15,799
Speaker 8: their alliance through their offshore parent companies. Look Richard McIntire,

1630
01:23:15,880 --> 01:23:20,120
Speaker 8: the Banking Guy banking spokesperson from Federated farmers said he's

1631
01:23:20,680 --> 01:23:23,479
Speaker 8: increasingly concerned that I'm with them on this one about

1632
01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:25,560
Speaker 8: what will happen to farmers if they're not able to

1633
01:23:25,640 --> 01:23:29,639
Speaker 8: meet the bank's missions reduction targets by twenty thirty. He's

1634
01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:33,360
Speaker 8: asking this question, Andrew, will we be effectively de banked

1635
01:23:33,400 --> 01:23:36,960
Speaker 8: and able to unable to access capital we need to

1636
01:23:37,040 --> 01:23:39,040
Speaker 8: run our business? Is a bit like we're starting to

1637
01:23:39,080 --> 01:23:41,799
Speaker 8: see with some of the petrol stations or maybe Andrew

1638
01:23:42,120 --> 01:23:45,439
Speaker 8: under Trump, the world is changing and it's the end

1639
01:23:45,640 --> 01:23:47,000
Speaker 8: of woke as we know it.

1640
01:23:47,920 --> 01:23:49,680
Speaker 2: Jemy Mackay from the Country and I thank you for

1641
01:23:49,760 --> 01:23:52,400
Speaker 2: your time today. This is new Storb. We mean business.

1642
01:23:52,640 --> 01:23:56,240
Speaker 2: We're going to talk about the inflation rate. The update

1643
01:23:56,320 --> 01:24:00,040
Speaker 2: comes out tomorrow. Paul Bloxham joins us at about five minutes.

1644
01:23:59,840 --> 01:24:12,960
Speaker 3: Time, quenching the numbers and getting the results.

1645
01:24:13,200 --> 01:24:16,680
Speaker 1: It's Andrew Dickens with the Business Hour thanks to my

1646
01:24:17,120 --> 01:24:20,679
Speaker 1: HR the HR solution for busy s Emmy's on news

1647
01:24:20,760 --> 01:24:22,040
Speaker 1: Talk Zippy go.

1648
01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:30,080
Speaker 11: On the teh much up your right, Let good fight

1649
01:24:30,479 --> 01:24:32,160
Speaker 11: Hooky journey back.

1650
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:34,599
Speaker 2: In the program my manager Dickens during the Drive show

1651
01:24:34,680 --> 01:24:37,720
Speaker 2: for a week. Next week Ryan Bridge starts and then

1652
01:24:37,840 --> 01:24:40,320
Speaker 2: after about three months he'll stop because Heather duper c

1653
01:24:40,439 --> 01:24:43,479
Speaker 2: Allam will be back. It's twenty three to seven. Big

1654
01:24:43,560 --> 01:24:45,680
Speaker 2: story of the day. One of the stories of the

1655
01:24:45,760 --> 01:24:48,840
Speaker 2: day was Nick Smith from the Nelson area, the Nelson mayor,

1656
01:24:49,040 --> 01:24:52,000
Speaker 2: getting all upset because Donald Trump said America split the atom,

1657
01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:54,479
Speaker 2: which he did say, and he didn't say America was

1658
01:24:54,520 --> 01:24:56,320
Speaker 2: first to split the atom. He just said America split

1659
01:24:56,360 --> 01:24:58,840
Speaker 2: the atom. And I started thinking about it. He hasn't

1660
01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:02,600
Speaker 2: really gaz and because of course Lord Ernest Rutherford and

1661
01:25:02,640 --> 01:25:05,040
Speaker 2: New Zealanders split the atom, and he did it in England,

1662
01:25:05,160 --> 01:25:08,000
Speaker 2: so you know, and Nick got all upset about it,

1663
01:25:08,200 --> 01:25:11,519
Speaker 2: and so we got Nick on. But the more I

1664
01:25:11,600 --> 01:25:13,559
Speaker 2: thought about it before he came on, the more I thought,

1665
01:25:13,800 --> 01:25:16,760
Speaker 2: this is Neck being a lot far too sensitive. And

1666
01:25:16,960 --> 01:25:19,719
Speaker 2: then I said, I think maybe Neck's got Trump derangement syndrome.

1667
01:25:19,800 --> 01:25:22,040
Speaker 2: So anything that Trump said is terrible. And so I

1668
01:25:22,080 --> 01:25:24,360
Speaker 2: put it to him and some people said, well that

1669
01:25:24,520 --> 01:25:26,360
Speaker 2: was a bit weird. Why did you ask him on

1670
01:25:26,479 --> 01:25:28,360
Speaker 2: and then actually has them? I said, well, just to

1671
01:25:28,439 --> 01:25:33,639
Speaker 2: find out what's happening. And the question is a local

1672
01:25:33,680 --> 01:25:35,960
Speaker 2: body election year, and of course he's just getting out

1673
01:25:36,160 --> 01:25:38,760
Speaker 2: and getting his name in the public and you know what,

1674
01:25:38,920 --> 01:25:41,519
Speaker 2: he admitted it as well. Meanwhile, we're getting some text

1675
01:25:41,560 --> 01:25:43,800
Speaker 2: about it. Andrew, I find it hilarious that some of

1676
01:25:43,920 --> 01:25:46,559
Speaker 2: New Zealand are getting their nickers in a twist over

1677
01:25:46,640 --> 01:25:50,599
Speaker 2: this Lord Rutherford issue and split the atom issue, since

1678
01:25:50,720 --> 01:25:55,439
Speaker 2: New Zealanders hate nuclear energy and they banned nuclear as well.

1679
01:25:55,520 --> 01:25:57,479
Speaker 2: And this is a fair point. But we're proud of

1680
01:25:57,560 --> 01:25:59,800
Speaker 2: that part of the dew clear, aren't we. And so

1681
01:26:00,920 --> 01:26:03,639
Speaker 2: this is Jim. Jim Woolwich writes to me and says

1682
01:26:04,360 --> 01:26:07,080
Speaker 2: he was in Westminster Abbey late last year and he's

1683
01:26:07,120 --> 01:26:09,920
Speaker 2: walking around and he walked right over Ernest Rutherford's park,

1684
01:26:10,160 --> 01:26:12,559
Speaker 2: which is on the floor walkway, which I saw last

1685
01:26:12,640 --> 01:26:15,960
Speaker 2: year as well. So he's he's owned by a few people.

1686
01:26:16,400 --> 01:26:18,680
Speaker 2: But Americans did split the atom, but they didn't do

1687
01:26:18,720 --> 01:26:20,680
Speaker 2: it first, and that's sort of twenty one to.

1688
01:26:20,720 --> 01:26:22,840
Speaker 3: Seven Andrew Dickens.

1689
01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:28,000
Speaker 2: Okay, we're joined now by Paul Bloxam from HSBC to

1690
01:26:28,120 --> 01:26:30,479
Speaker 2: talk about the New Zealand economy. Welcome to the program, Paul,

1691
01:26:30,479 --> 01:26:31,240
Speaker 2: and happy new year.

1692
01:26:32,200 --> 01:26:33,519
Speaker 23: Good a happy new year to you too.

1693
01:26:34,040 --> 01:26:38,360
Speaker 2: New Zealand inflation data for the December quarter is out tomorrow.

1694
01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:41,160
Speaker 2: We've already had brad Olson on from in for metrics,

1695
01:26:41,320 --> 01:26:44,519
Speaker 2: he reckons two percent. That means the inflation rate is falling.

1696
01:26:44,760 --> 01:26:46,719
Speaker 2: He's got one of the lowest rates out of everybody.

1697
01:26:46,920 --> 01:26:49,960
Speaker 23: What do you reckon, Well, we've got two point one,

1698
01:26:50,120 --> 01:26:52,320
Speaker 23: so we're slightly above him, but we're below slightly below

1699
01:26:52,360 --> 01:26:55,040
Speaker 23: the consensus, so we still got inflation falling as well.

1700
01:26:56,280 --> 01:26:58,120
Speaker 23: And I think the main thing though to keep in

1701
01:26:58,160 --> 01:27:00,479
Speaker 23: mind that inflation looks as though it's fairly clearly going

1702
01:27:00,560 --> 01:27:04,000
Speaker 23: to be around the center of the around the center

1703
01:27:04,040 --> 01:27:07,120
Speaker 23: of the Arbenza's target band and roughly on target. The

1704
01:27:07,240 --> 01:27:08,720
Speaker 23: key thing to look out for, though, will be to

1705
01:27:08,760 --> 01:27:12,439
Speaker 23: look for those underlying measures, the core measures of inflation,

1706
01:27:12,600 --> 01:27:15,759
Speaker 23: and in particular non tradable, so the part of inflation

1707
01:27:15,880 --> 01:27:19,240
Speaker 23: that's about domestic inflation, so services inflation, because that's the

1708
01:27:19,360 --> 01:27:22,880
Speaker 23: part that had been rising still too quickly, and probably

1709
01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:26,040
Speaker 23: although it will be coming down, will still be slightly elevated,

1710
01:27:26,240 --> 01:27:28,800
Speaker 23: and it will be that piece of information really sort

1711
01:27:28,840 --> 01:27:31,920
Speaker 23: of firms up how much the RBNZ is likely to

1712
01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:35,040
Speaker 23: cut next month. Now you know we think they're going

1713
01:27:35,080 --> 01:27:36,599
Speaker 23: to cut. We think there are a number of cuts

1714
01:27:36,640 --> 01:27:38,760
Speaker 23: yet to come from the rb and Z. You know,

1715
01:27:38,840 --> 01:27:41,439
Speaker 23: inflation is coming down. The economy has been very weak,

1716
01:27:41,720 --> 01:27:44,200
Speaker 23: and the aben Z it's got scope to lower interest rates.

1717
01:27:44,400 --> 01:27:46,400
Speaker 23: But it's just a question of how much front loading.

1718
01:27:46,520 --> 01:27:48,719
Speaker 23: How quickly do they lower rates. Do they go fifty,

1719
01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:50,840
Speaker 23: do they go twenty five? And these numbers are going

1720
01:27:50,920 --> 01:27:52,160
Speaker 23: to help to firm that up.

1721
01:27:52,320 --> 01:27:54,920
Speaker 2: I think this is a very important point to stress

1722
01:27:55,080 --> 01:27:57,639
Speaker 2: because when we look at inflation, there are two types,

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Speaker 2: tradable and non tradable inflation, and the measure that gives

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Speaker 2: publicized is the average of the two. And so just

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Speaker 2: before Christmas, the politicians were starting to say, look at this,

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Speaker 2: we've got it under control. But the tradeable was certainly

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Speaker 2: under two, but the non tradable was round about what

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Speaker 2: four point eight percent, and that is you know, rents

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Speaker 2: and rates and electricity supplies and all that sort of thing.

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Speaker 2: Four point eight is still high and it's too soon

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Speaker 2: to say we've got inflation under control.

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Speaker 18: Oh, that's right.

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Speaker 23: So this is the non tradable part, is the services part.

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Speaker 23: It's mostly domestic inflation. And really, when you think about it,

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Speaker 23: it's the thing that the RBNS that has the most

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Speaker 23: influence on with its policy leader. So it lowers the

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01:28:38,880 --> 01:28:41,960
Speaker 23: policy rate lifts it of course sometimes and that has

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Speaker 23: a bigger impact on the domestic economy than it does

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Speaker 23: on those international forces that are driving tradable. So in

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01:28:47,760 --> 01:28:50,360
Speaker 23: some ways you look at services inflation non tradable inflation

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01:28:50,479 --> 01:28:53,960
Speaker 23: not just to assess the momentum in inflation and determine

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Speaker 23: where you're at, but also because it's the bit that

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01:28:57,120 --> 01:28:59,320
Speaker 23: the monetary policy can have the most influence on. So

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Speaker 23: that will be the thing really to keep a close

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Speaker 23: eye on tomorrow when we get those numbers.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, also the government has control because they have the

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Speaker 2: regulatory control, so they could also help in the battle

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Speaker 2: against non tradable but that's tomorrow's conversation. To Australia, unemployment

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Speaker 2: now sitting at four percent, how's the job market?

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Speaker 18: The job market is.

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Speaker 23: Still strong, and I would say there's some signs that

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Speaker 23: it's looking as though it's starting to tighten as well

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Speaker 23: rather than loosen. So you know, if you recall the

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Speaker 23: obviously the RBA has been trying to get inflation down

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Speaker 23: as well, and one of the ways you do that

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Speaker 23: is having listed interest rate. They've been flowing the economy

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Speaker 23: and despite the fact that the GDP growth or growth

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Speaker 23: in the economy has slowed down quite a lot last year.

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Speaker 23: The labor market has still continued to be quite resilient.

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Speaker 23: There was quite a lot of job creation in December,

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Speaker 23: that's the number you're referring to. And despite the fact

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Speaker 23: that the unemployment rate ticked slightly higher, it's still actually

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Speaker 23: below the level that had reached in the middle of

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Speaker 23: last year. It had reached four point two. It's come

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Speaker 23: down to four. So you know, you've got a strong

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Speaker 23: labor market and it looks like, well, the labor market

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Speaker 23: may very well be tightening, So it really makes it

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Speaker 23: hard for the RBA to think about cutting interest rates.

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Speaker 23: We've got an inflation print in Australia that comes out

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Speaker 23: next week and of course that will play a role

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Speaker 23: in fat in this story as well. But of course

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Speaker 23: then or the RBA hasn't even interest lowered interest rates yet,

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Speaker 23: so this is a question as to whether they'll be

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Speaker 23: able to go in February.

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Speaker 2: And final question which you might not be prepared for,

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Speaker 2: but it's obviously the story of the day. Donald Trump

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01:30:25,320 --> 01:30:29,160
Speaker 2: is n he has threatened by February twenty five percent

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Speaker 2: tariffs on Canada and Mexico. How might that effect Australia

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Speaker 2: and news and how likely are we to be hit

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Speaker 2: by tariffs in a trade war.

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Speaker 23: Well, there's a lot of uncertainty in this story because

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01:30:39,520 --> 01:30:42,400
Speaker 23: a part of it is that although they he's noted

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Speaker 23: during the day that they might put in place tariffs,

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Speaker 23: he's also pointed out that they're a negotiating tactic, and

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Speaker 23: then so it's not entirely clear that those are going

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Speaker 23: to be introduced. And then, of course the question is

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Speaker 23: whether it spreads more widely than that to other countries too,

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Speaker 23: as you say. And then in addition to that, just

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Speaker 23: to add to the complications, it's not just about assessing

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Speaker 23: what happens with US policy, but what do other countries

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Speaker 23: do in response in terms of their policies. And the

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Speaker 23: major one that we really have to watch out for

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Speaker 23: in Australia and New Zealand is what China does in response,

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Speaker 23: because that's our biggest trading partner, you know. Obviously New

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01:31:18,640 --> 01:31:22,559
Speaker 23: Zealand and Australia very very strongly driven by the China story.

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Speaker 23: So it's a very very complicated web to sort of see, well,

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Speaker 23: one thing happens in one country, it really matters what

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Speaker 23: happens in other countries. As well, and it's this that's

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Speaker 23: creating quite a bit of uncertainty.

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Speaker 5: Obviously.

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Speaker 2: I told you a Republican strategist today and she said,

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Speaker 2: you've got to remember that Donald Trump is a businessman

1803
01:31:37,960 --> 01:31:39,760
Speaker 2: and when it comes to negotiation, what do you do?

1804
01:31:39,880 --> 01:31:42,519
Speaker 2: You start high, but you can offer and end out low.

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Speaker 2: So we'll wait to see what happens. Paul, it's always

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Speaker 2: a pleasure to talk to you. Thank you for your

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01:31:46,360 --> 01:31:50,880
Speaker 2: time today. Now right, Paul Bloxham, he is the HSBC

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Speaker 2: Chief Economist. It is coming up sixteen minutes to seven.

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Speaker 2: I just heard that Enda Brady is in Davos, and

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01:31:57,320 --> 01:31:59,400
Speaker 2: of course the snow is great in Darvas. At the

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01:31:59,439 --> 01:32:01,000
Speaker 2: moment I said is he there for the scheme? But

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Speaker 2: of course he's not. Davas is the home of that

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Speaker 2: Economic Forum meeting and we were talking to Inde Brady

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Speaker 2: about that many other issues as well in a few

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Speaker 2: moments time here on News Talks HB.

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Speaker 1: Whether it's macro, micro or just plain economics. It's all

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Speaker 1: on the Business Hour with Andrew Dickens and my HR.

1818
01:32:20,320 --> 01:32:23,679
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Speaker 2: It's the time is down twelve minutes to seven, and

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Speaker 2: ind Brady joins us from Davos, the home of the

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Speaker 2: World Economic Forum, the home of the great Reset, the

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Speaker 2: home of the great Neck Craig, the great takeover of

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Speaker 2: the global economy by private industry and business interests.

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Speaker 5: In Hello Inda, Hello Andrew. I have to say it's

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01:32:44,000 --> 01:32:47,679
Speaker 5: my first time here. It's something to behold. A tiny,

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01:32:48,040 --> 01:32:51,040
Speaker 5: tiny town five thousand feet up the mountain in the

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01:32:51,120 --> 01:32:54,559
Speaker 5: Swiss Alps. It's not built for this, and yet they

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01:32:54,640 --> 01:32:57,360
Speaker 5: come in on the helicopters. I've never seen so many

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01:32:57,520 --> 01:33:01,679
Speaker 5: shoal for driven Mercedes Benz black vehicles in my life.

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Speaker 5: You would think it was some sort of Oscars or Hollywood.

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01:33:05,600 --> 01:33:09,439
Speaker 5: And all these random people get out and they're basically

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01:33:09,520 --> 01:33:12,000
Speaker 5: the CEOs who moved the money around and allegedly make

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Speaker 5: the world go round. And I'll tell you what. Right now,

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Speaker 5: the vibe I got yesterday, a lot of them are

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01:33:16,840 --> 01:33:19,360
Speaker 5: running scared because of one man's return.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, of course, because he's not a globalist, and

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Speaker 2: that is for sure. And he said a lot of trade.

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Speaker 2: So how has Donald Trump, who had a glorious inauguration today.

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01:33:28,479 --> 01:33:29,880
Speaker 2: I thought it was a great patty And he's still

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01:33:29,920 --> 01:33:32,280
Speaker 2: going and starlight Ball is still on as we speak.

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01:33:32,680 --> 01:33:36,200
Speaker 2: How has he How has he ruined classes party?

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Speaker 5: So we were told on arrival here that there were

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Speaker 5: three key topics for discussion this week wars, climate change,

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01:33:44,360 --> 01:33:47,840
Speaker 5: and misinformation. And very very quickly from talking to the

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01:33:47,920 --> 01:33:51,000
Speaker 5: delegates and the people who are arriving and these billionaires

1846
01:33:51,040 --> 01:33:54,439
Speaker 5: and squillionaires and soon to be trillionaires, the vibe I

1847
01:33:54,520 --> 01:33:57,320
Speaker 5: got was there was three topics. They were interested in Trump,

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01:33:57,520 --> 01:34:00,760
Speaker 5: trade and tariffs. So there's been very discussion of the

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Speaker 5: others so far. And I guess, look, they're all watching

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Speaker 5: and waiting to see what will he do, will the

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01:34:06,640 --> 01:34:09,439
Speaker 5: rhetoric stack up, will he actually deliver what he's been saying,

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01:34:09,800 --> 01:34:12,439
Speaker 5: will he really put America first? And how will it

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Speaker 5: impact them? So there's sixty heads of state here this week,

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Speaker 5: and I mean this town is tiny, absolutely tiny. There's

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01:34:19,240 --> 01:34:22,320
Speaker 5: no accommodation that's affordable. The locals were telling me that

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01:34:22,439 --> 01:34:25,120
Speaker 5: some people basically go on holidays for a week and

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01:34:25,240 --> 01:34:28,479
Speaker 5: let out their apartment for ten thousand euros for five

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01:34:28,600 --> 01:34:31,799
Speaker 5: days and that's you know, a hell of an income.

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Speaker 5: And everyone seems to be running scared, wondering what is

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Speaker 5: Trump going to do?

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Speaker 2: And where are you staying? Well, are you? Are you

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Speaker 2: in a major in.

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Speaker 12: A ban.

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Speaker 5: I actually am, I'm staying one hour away over the mountain.

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Speaker 5: I'm in a tiny, tiny village. Everyone speaks Swiss German,

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Speaker 5: and as Laura, our producer, will testify, my German is

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Speaker 5: I was the premar schoolhouse when I was about at

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Speaker 5: ten or eleven. I think I learned German in Ireland.

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Speaker 5: So we've been yeah, yeah, it's easy for you to say.

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Speaker 5: So we're having wonderful conversations here in the evening. I'm

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Speaker 5: staying in a B and B in a tiny I

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01:35:07,760 --> 01:35:09,960
Speaker 5: wouldn't even call it a village, It's a hamlet. It's

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Speaker 5: absolutely stunning, but the people extremely friendly. And I'll tell

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Speaker 5: you just to tell you how to how January makes

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01:35:16,960 --> 01:35:19,840
Speaker 5: me struggle doing dry January and arrive back here the

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Speaker 5: other night and the family were having beers in the

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Speaker 5: kitchen and they invited me in and I thought, and

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Speaker 5: they thought it was odd, and I just i'd come

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Speaker 5: back from a run and I always do dry January

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Speaker 5: and I respect it and it's just a little body

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Speaker 5: reset before I start running again. And I sat and

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Speaker 5: I had a wonderful conversation really nice people.

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Speaker 2: This is not about you in that, but that's very fun.

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Speaker 5: True.

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Speaker 2: They said they wanted to talk about war, and they're

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Speaker 2: gonna have to talk about war because Zelansky is arriving.

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Speaker 5: Yes, so he's the keynote speaker today. They have a

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Speaker 5: big auditorium and basically the A listers and the very

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01:35:52,760 --> 01:35:55,320
Speaker 5: very serious people who come with their message, and everyone

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Speaker 5: will know Zelenski's message in advance. He wants help, he

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01:35:59,120 --> 01:36:02,640
Speaker 5: wants money, he want assistant and he wants weapons. And

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Speaker 5: regardless of whether Trump turns off the taps from the

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Speaker 5: American Aid in the next twenty four hours, Zelensky will

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Speaker 5: be appealing to the world to not forget Ukraine. And

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Speaker 5: it's really interesting. In all of the discussions yesterday, Ukraine

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Speaker 5: was not mentioned, so he's the start turned Today. Security

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01:36:19,800 --> 01:36:22,960
Speaker 5: is extremely tight, so they have a police cordon about

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01:36:23,080 --> 01:36:27,560
Speaker 5: nine kilometers outside of Davos. The traffic slows to a standstill,

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Speaker 5: and you can imagine how tight security will be today

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Speaker 5: with Zelensky being in a very small town.

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Speaker 2: Will you get in.

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Speaker 5: I'll get into the auditorium, but there'll be no prospective

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01:36:37,120 --> 01:36:39,720
Speaker 5: interviewing him. I mean, as much as I dearly love

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01:36:39,800 --> 01:36:41,519
Speaker 5: to sit down or even grab a word. I met

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Speaker 5: Al Gore yesterday in the street and he wouldn't speak

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Speaker 5: to me. So you know, he's not a world leader.

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Speaker 5: He never was. He was a vice president, but he could.

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Speaker 5: He basically hailed a golf buggy to get away from

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Speaker 5: me yesterday. That was quite funny, well thought, you know,

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Speaker 5: just just one question about Trump and he wouldn't speak

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Speaker 5: to the mean.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and he had call home to make sure that

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Speaker 2: everybody had turned off the lights. Now, just finally, UK

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Speaker 2: Roys are playing some US trips tomorrow next year.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yes, So this is all about wooing Trump and

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01:37:10,439 --> 01:37:13,839
Speaker 5: getting him back interested in the UK. They're not stupid.

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Speaker 5: They know that he was a huge fan of the

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Speaker 5: late Queen and the plan is a too pronged assault.

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Speaker 5: Next year, William was president of the Football Association in London.

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Speaker 5: So the Soccer World Cup will be in American next

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Speaker 5: year and Mexico and Canada. William would be absolutely you know,

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Speaker 5: it would be a no brainer to send him to that.

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01:37:32,439 --> 01:37:34,479
Speaker 5: So William will head off to the United States for

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Speaker 5: the World Cup and the feeling is Charles may go

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Speaker 5: and mark two hundred and fifty years of American independence.

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Speaker 5: Apparently Charles's mother went fifty years ago when it was

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Speaker 5: two hundred years and Trump is a fan. Trump gets

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01:37:47,280 --> 01:37:50,040
Speaker 5: on well with Charles, we're told. So a big year

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Speaker 5: ahead for the royal family wooing Trump and hopefully getting

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Speaker 5: some investment in the UK because it absolutely needs it.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. Of course everybody's going to woo when you're talking

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Speaker 2: about Bezos and Zuckerberg and American businesses, the Pouls, you know,

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Speaker 2: and Joe Rogan and now even Prince Ave and King

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Speaker 2: Charles himself got to woo Donald Trump. What an amazing

1935
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Speaker 2: turn of events.

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Speaker 5: When you read the list of things that he's dodged,

1937
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Speaker 5: from bullets to jail, it is has got to be

1938
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Speaker 5: the most extraordinary politically come back ever. I just I

1939
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Speaker 5: don't know. I spent one hour yesterday waiting on a

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Speaker 5: TV line to go live listening to him talk. And

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Speaker 5: I've never heard a more rambling speech in my life.

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Speaker 5: It was and it was minus three celsius upper Mountain

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Speaker 5: in Switzerland. So it it's an hour of my life.

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Speaker 5: I won't get back. Andrew, Sorry, it's all.

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Speaker 2: Right, and thank you very much. Stay warm, learn German

1946
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Speaker 2: and we'll talk again later.

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Speaker 3: It is six to seven, getting ready for a new

1948
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Speaker 3: administration in the US. What will be the impact?

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Speaker 1: It's The Business Hour with Hither Duplessy Allen and my HR,

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Speaker 1: the HR solution for busy news talks.

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Speaker 3: It'd be.

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Speaker 2: The hooks h BE and I'm Andrew Dickens. What a

1953
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Speaker 2: glorious day for President Trump. He's in charge, he's got

1954
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Speaker 2: the mandate, he's empowered, and he's having a lot of fun,

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Speaker 2: and he will do stuff and some of that stuff

1956
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Speaker 2: will be good for us, and some of this stuff

1957
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Speaker 2: will be bad for us, but it's his right to

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Speaker 2: do that stuff and we'll wait to see. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: took back after eight with Marcus. Between seven and eight,

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Speaker 2: we've got sports with Darcy Wardergrave. And right now I've

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Speaker 2: got a piece of music from Anthony Medicage, technical producer.

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Speaker 13: Very well done to Carrie Underwood today at the originally

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Speaker 13: American Idol WINN. She's done pretty well for herself as

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Speaker 13: a pop star since then. She was called on to

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Speaker 13: perform America the Beautiful at the inauguration and there were

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Speaker 13: some technical issues, so everyone kind of milled around for

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Speaker 13: a while while they tried to get her backing track going,

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Speaker 13: and they just couldn't get it going, so she basically

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Speaker 13: just had to do the whole thing a cappella. But

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Speaker 13: you know, being a professional, she just said to everyone,

1971
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Speaker 13: all right, if you know the words, sing along with me,

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Speaker 13: let's go and tell you what. She's got a good

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Speaker 13: set of pipes on her so it sounded pretty good.

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Speaker 2: And that's how we will leave you today. My thanks

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Speaker 2: to produce Laura and Ed Siedmartin. Wait from Cee to Shine.

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