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Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southerby's International Realty, a name

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Speaker 1: you can trust locally and.

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Speaker 2: Globally, all of us this evening, Fillo Riley Iron Duke

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Speaker 2: Partners and former Business New Zealand chief executive and Josephcgunny,

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Speaker 2: the chief executive of ChildFund. Hi you too, Hello, how

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Speaker 2: are you doing good? Thank you? Okay, Josie, So what

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Speaker 2: do you think should we or should we not have

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Speaker 2: pulled the Tesla subsidy?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, we should have. We're not going to solve, as

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Speaker 3: you quite rightly said, Heather, We're not going to solve

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Speaker 3: climate change issues by subsidizing wealthy people to buy eighty

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Speaker 3: thousand dollars teslers.

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Speaker 2: I did get a text here though, from somebody saying,

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Speaker 2: hither are you an idiot? The whole point of it

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Speaker 2: is to get the more of these evs into the

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Speaker 2: country so that poor people can buy them secondhand.

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Speaker 3: Oh well, come on, I mean that's a long way

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Speaker 3: off because the technology isn't there yet. I know people

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Speaker 3: who are friends of mine who don't have a lot

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Speaker 3: of money who tried to buy a secondhand EV and

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Speaker 3: the batteries are munted. Right, It's just not We're not

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Speaker 3: there yet. But I mean, honestly, I've just listened to

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Speaker 3: an interview. Then when you're taking this stuff into a court,

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Speaker 3: the court is not the place for activism. I mean,

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Speaker 3: that's a that's a climate activist right now.

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Speaker 2: But is there not a place for this, JOSEI because

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Speaker 2: I was listening to Jessica, and the thing is, I

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Speaker 2: the whole climate emissions reduction plan is a sham. It

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Speaker 2: is not going to do what they say it's going

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Speaker 2: to do. We are not going to meet our twenty

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Speaker 2: fifty target. I'm happy with that. Jessica sad about that,

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Speaker 2: but what it is doing, what she's doing is the

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Speaker 2: same as what's happened to some other private companies, which

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Speaker 2: is the greenwashers washing is being exposed. And I'm okay

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Speaker 2: with that, and she's absolutely right with that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but you've got it. We've got to decide what

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Speaker 3: we're doing. Either we're doing behavior change, I buy an

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Speaker 3: EV and don't buy a ute, yeah, or we're subsidizing stuff,

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Speaker 3: subsidize the EV's, or we're giving the ETS scheme a

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Speaker 3: chance to work. And the ETS scheme sets a cap

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Speaker 3: for carbon admissions, so Jessica and all of us can

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Speaker 3: have a say in that. Politically, that's a political decision,

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Speaker 3: and then how those admissions are did feed up in society,

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Speaker 3: whether it's businesses or you and I driving a car.

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Speaker 2: Or we can that we can do enough.

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Speaker 3: But the ETS is a market solution, which actually we

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Speaker 2: But we could also do nothing better than subsidies. Right, well, yeah,

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Speaker 2: everything's better than a subsidy.

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Speaker 4: What do you think, Phil, Well, A problem here, I

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Speaker 4: think is, as Josey said, it's actually about activist lawyers

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Speaker 4: actually what should be happening is the public should be

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Speaker 4: voting on the various options here. The government should stand

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Speaker 4: up and say here's what we're doing. And as a

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Speaker 4: matter of intense politics, because of course it goes to

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Speaker 4: I don't think those choices are best decided by judges,

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Speaker 4: and I don't think in fact, anything like that is

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Speaker 4: best decided by judges. It should be decided by politicians.

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Speaker 4: They put their case forward and people vote for it.

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Speaker 4: And I think that's the worry here that you actually diminish,

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Speaker 4: should be doing, which is holding politicians to account for

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Speaker 2: Phil did you, at one o'clock this afternoon, sit down,

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Speaker 2: into the tally watch a dark haired woman delivering some news.

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Speaker 4: Someone I stafted and I walked in half way through

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Speaker 3: You must have got PTSD. I was literally seconds away

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Speaker 4: She was in the office, so it wasn't.

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Speaker 3: Metaphoric podium speaking to the nation, is that this is

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Speaker 3: in COVID. One thing we learned government officials with best

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Speaker 4: Solve because it's not that hard.

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Speaker 3: But but phil that the people who know how to

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Speaker 3: need the fuel, and so there's there's all sorts of

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Speaker 3: things they could say. They could say, right, private sector,

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Speaker 3: we're warning you you better start making arrangements.

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Speaker 2: We're here to help.

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Speaker 3: Maybe the government can hedge if you're going to bring

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Speaker 3: in you know you're going to buy some tankers of fuel.

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Speaker 3: Get together, let's solved this problem. Let's talk to the

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Speaker 3: private sector. But you're not going to get mb to

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Speaker 3: solve it. You're not going to get government officials.

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Speaker 4: Well, that's exactly what they are doing in the background.

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Speaker 4: that's exactly what they're doing, that they're talking to fuel companies.

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Speaker 4: the fuel in about these very matters. I mean, they didn't,

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Speaker 2: You just hold that fought for one tech Josie, because

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Speaker 2: we just have to take a break and we'll come

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Speaker 2: back and talk about it.

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Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty the only

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Speaker 2: Right, you're back with a huddle, Phil and Josie. Right, Josie,

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Speaker 2: you were saying, well, my point.

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Speaker 3: Is that you know, the private sector and New Zealand

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Speaker 3: to trade in oil, They know how to fix these problems.

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Speaker 3: They know how to negotiate these deals better than government officials.

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying that you shouldn't involve that government official

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Speaker 3: repeat of COVID, where you've got government of officials deciding

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Speaker 4: If they're not doing that, mate, they're actually trying to

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Speaker 4: say they're not doing that. What they're saying is we

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Speaker 4: may get to that. And I note and some other

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Speaker 4: countries has already work from home going on. In some

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Speaker 4: saying today was let's get there and let's make sure

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Speaker 4: You think that was entirely sensible.

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Speaker 3: What I'm saying, though, is that one thing we learned

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Speaker 4: We're at different press conferences, mate, maybe we're a different

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Speaker 2: That's what she said, Oh.

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Speaker 3: Favor of the private sector, and you're in favor of

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Speaker 2: But you guys are talking past each other. Phil, are

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Speaker 2: Okay, now you're welcome consider me a marriage counselor is

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Speaker 3: It will just be my social media posts.

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Speaker 2: On Phil, Yeah, okay, and here we are so Phil.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of which, the social media post that Hipkins's ex

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Speaker 4: Well, I noticed that today that social media post. Although

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Speaker 4: that I do think actually these things should be you know,

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Speaker 2: But that's what nobody was asking Jade what happened in

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Speaker 2: their marriage. Jade's just got out. She's raged texting from Fiji.

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Speaker 3: And I do think we should push back on that.

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Speaker 3: This is not how we want to do politics, right,

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Speaker 3: whether it's the left or the right.

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Speaker 2: So so old Jade has a couple of cocktail. Well,

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Speaker 2: I'm but defaming her as she might not. She might

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Speaker 3: I think what we do, or what Chris would do,

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Speaker 2: I would There are children involved, There are children, and

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Speaker 3: Mind, this is not what our politics is about. If

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Speaker 3: you want politics to be politics by the Kardashians, go

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Speaker 3: for it.

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Speaker 2: This is gossip.

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Speaker 1: Should we go work?

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Speaker 4: He's lawyered up. He said, I'm not going to say anything,

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Speaker 4: and you know, and here's my lawyers, and they even start.

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Speaker 3: Move Phil, But even the courts have said no fault divorce,

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Speaker 3: because that even the courts can't sort out who is

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Speaker 3: right and who is wrong, who said everybody, who said

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Speaker 3: the other? So you just go, I mean, what the

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Speaker 3: idea that he would lawyer up I think is wrong.

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Speaker 3: He would be better to just say, if you want

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Speaker 3: this kind of politics in New Zealand, go for it.

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Speaker 2: But I don't.

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Speaker 3: And here's yes, here's what I'm standing.

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Speaker 1: And so you're doing it for the.

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Speaker 2: Children, because frankly, you are kind of doing it for

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Speaker 2: the children, aren't you. Anyway, listen really quickly, very very quickly, Phil,

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Speaker 2: Have you watched any of the Oscar films?

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Speaker 4: No? No, I watched that, the the one about the vampires.

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Speaker 2: I love that.

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Speaker 4: I thought it was runnish. I watched it on a plane.

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Speaker 4: I tried to have another glass of wine to try

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Speaker 4: and get through it. And then another one, what's what's

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Speaker 4: it called? The other one that you know. I watched

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Speaker 4: about ten minutes of that one day or another time.

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Speaker 4: I thought what sort of stupidity is this and changed

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Speaker 4: off the Superman or something that was more mentally.

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Speaker 3: Oh you Grumpy Old Man Sinners was wonderful. I think

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Speaker 3: it was one of the best films I've ever seen.

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Speaker 3: I wished it won and it didn't. And I also

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Speaker 3: know Kate who won the Yeah, she's a friend of

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Speaker 3: a friend and she's absolutely lovely. She's worked so hard

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Speaker 3: for this, did a design course at Massy Uni.

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Speaker 2: When you need to go around and touch your little

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Speaker 2: gold Man well.

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Speaker 3: As he's doing it, there's only one degree of separation

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Speaker 3: between somebody who's won an oscar or played for the

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Speaker 3: All Blacks's.

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Speaker 2: Right or to his wife, Hey, thank you, guys, appreciate

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Speaker 2: it as Joseph Gurney and fellow Riley.

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