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Speaker 1: Uber has lost a landmark appeal after the Employment Court

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Speaker 1: ruled that four Uber drivers should be treated as employees,

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Speaker 1: not contractors. Drivers are now set to get holiday pay,

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Speaker 1: sick leave, and the right to unionize. The ride share

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Speaker 1: company has since announced it and now wants to appeal

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Speaker 1: the verdict to the Supreme Court. And Alistair SB is

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Speaker 1: an employment lawyer. He's with us this morning, Alistair.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, morning mine.

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Speaker 1: How are you very well? Thank you? Is this going

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Speaker 1: to have ramifications for every other Uber driver?

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Speaker 2: In a word, yes, because essentially, although the decision here

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Speaker 2: was about just four Uber drivers, they are all effectively

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Speaker 2: employees and in the same way under the same model.

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Speaker 2: So just about every other Uber driver unless they're on

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Speaker 2: a totally different arrangements, and I think that's unlikely, it's

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Speaker 2: going to have the same argument that they are an employee.

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Speaker 2: I believe that there's.

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Speaker 3: A fairly large number of employees or Uber drivers the

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Speaker 3: unions representing and who they're trying to bring claims from

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Speaker 3: employment entitlements already.

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Speaker 1: This is a process that's underway, which means Uber is

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Speaker 1: likely to have to stump up, which means for every

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Speaker 1: you know, your customers, we're going to be paying more presumably.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's for Uber to work through in terms

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Speaker 2: of how it passes that cost on not so I

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Speaker 2: couldn't really say that, you know, that is one possible outcome.

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Speaker 1: Can't they? Aren't they different because they can essentially cheat

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Speaker 1: on their employer? You know, I come into work here

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Speaker 1: at ZB I'm not also you know, working on another

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Speaker 1: radio station doing a bit of side hustle for R

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Speaker 1: and Z at the same time. They can use multiple

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Speaker 1: apps on their phones, can't they? Does that not make

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Speaker 1: them different?

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's one of the things that is called of

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Speaker 2: peel head to look at in terms of Uber drivers

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Speaker 2: are in set employees or contractors as one of the

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Speaker 2: parts of your bals to what extends you and your questions?

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Speaker 2: I have to look at us to what extend to

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Speaker 2: you and business on your own account. And did actually

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Speaker 2: specifically look at the issue of are these drivers able

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Speaker 2: to sort of, let's just say, be on the w

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Speaker 2: app for multiple rietier companies at the same time. And

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Speaker 2: while it accepted that in theory they could, they said

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Speaker 2: that in reality they're not actually going to be doing that,

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Speaker 2: at least based on evidence in front of it, and

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Speaker 2: that the drivers will be having to potentially work just

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Speaker 2: peoper at one particular time, and if they want to

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Speaker 2: then log off and work for someone else, and that's

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Speaker 2: their own choice. But that's more akin to what the

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Speaker 2: casual employee might be able to do rather than a

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Speaker 2: true person who's in business on their own account.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, good point, Alie to thank you for that.

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Speaker 1: Alis to sp employment lawyer, So I think I think

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Speaker 1: be careful what you wish for. Obviously, you want to

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Speaker 1: have the conditions, and you want to have the holiday pay,

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Speaker 1: and you want to be able to unionize, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: But if that pushes the costs back up, and will

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Speaker 1: people jump back in cabs For.

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