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Speaker 2: Welcome today, Economy wats good news from the land services,

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Speaker 2: though are a bit of an issue. Shane Jones on

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Speaker 2: running out of gas completely, the Eden Park Investigation, Ellen Davies,

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Speaker 2: Jonathan Creek and Qy Fames and for Chat Afteray Catherine

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Speaker 2: Field and France. While little is that you've written asking

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Speaker 2: welcome to Tuesday seven past six, small irony as are read.

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Speaker 2: Are you in the right industry? It was the question

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Speaker 2: posed in the headline yesterday by the release of those

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Speaker 2: numbers we gave you on the program. Are you in

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Speaker 2: the right industry? The inference of courses. The right industry

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Speaker 2: is the one that pays a lot turns out, as

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Speaker 2: we told you, that's mining or versions of it. If

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Speaker 2: you're into drilling and digging and in general and fairly

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Speaker 2: far flung places, the money's pretty good. You might want

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Speaker 2: to ask yourself why that might be. Could it be

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Speaker 2: its hard, physical, dirty work in a bar flung place.

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Speaker 2: Hence you've got to get paid pretty well. Most of

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Speaker 2: us aren't into that other areas, but management and finance featured.

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Speaker 2: These are all careers or industries where the median wage

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Speaker 2: is well in excess of one hundred thousand dollars in

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Speaker 2: a country where the average wage is about eighty thousand dollars.

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Speaker 2: The irony of the headline was it came on the

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Speaker 2: first of several days this week, in which, of course,

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Speaker 2: our good friends the teachers will not be going to

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Speaker 2: work because they are yet again on strike, and they're

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Speaker 2: on strike for more money. Well, I mean, they'll tell

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Speaker 2: you it's about resource, but that's only partly true. And

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Speaker 2: I know it's only partly true because no union i've

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Speaker 2: heard has suggested they would forego pay rises to be

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Speaker 2: placed into said resource. They want their cake and they

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Speaker 2: want to eat it too. But it's led to the

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Speaker 2: big question, what is the right industry? And is any

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Speaker 2: industry sensibly judged by money and money alone? I mean,

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Speaker 2: can you honestly say you chose career A, and you

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Speaker 2: did so because it was all about the numbers. Teaching,

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Speaker 2: of course, is an excellent example of where numbers aren't

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Speaker 2: the reason for the choice. No one goes into teaching

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Speaker 2: for the money or nursing, or anything organized or unionized

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Speaker 2: or under a management system that makes you an employee.

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Speaker 2: If money is your driver, you might well get comfortable,

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Speaker 2: I suppose, or well, but you will most certainly likely

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Speaker 2: be miserable or bored or both, because forty plus years

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Speaker 2: of anything you didn't choose out of passion is a

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Speaker 2: workplace death sentence. If passion and joy isn't what it's

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Speaker 2: all about from day one, it doesn't matter what they

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Speaker 3: What news of the world in ninety seconds right with.

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Speaker 2: Star stayed signed with the Kirk investigation update from the FBI.

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Speaker 4: The suspect rot I don't say I have the opportunity

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Speaker 4: to take out Charlie Kirk.

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Speaker 5: And I'm going to take it.

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Speaker 4: But we have since learned that the note, even though

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Speaker 4: it has been destroyed, we have found forensic evidence of

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Speaker 4: the note, and we have confirmed what that note says.

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Speaker 2: That's cash and cash is in trouble, and I have

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Speaker 2: more on that in the moment. The President, though he

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Speaker 6: And when you look at the agitators, you look at the.

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Speaker 5: Scum that speaks so badly of our country.

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Speaker 2: The American flag burning's all over the place, that's the left,

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Speaker 2: That's not the right, The VP, host of the Kirk Podcast.

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Speaker 6: He was a joyful warrior for our country.

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Speaker 7: He loved America.

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Speaker 1: He devoted himself tirelessly to making our country a better place.

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Speaker 3: He was a critical part of getting Donald Trump.

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Speaker 8: Elected as president, getting me elected as vice president.

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Speaker 2: In Britain, Stamer starts the week in the world of

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Speaker 2: Paine again as he desperately tries to get the Mandelssohn

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Speaker 9: I knew of his association with Epstein, but had I

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Speaker 9: known then what I know now, i'd never appointed him.

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Speaker 2: How big is a spied? Mind you? The Tories have

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Speaker 2: their own troubles as yet another of their number bail

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Speaker 6: He'd been in number ten as Boris Johnson's political secretary.

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Speaker 10: He'd also chaired Rob jen Ricks leadership campaigns, so it

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Speaker 10: is a significant defection.

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Speaker 2: He by the wise, the first sitting in Peter. What

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Speaker 2: we'll have more with Rod later on in the program.

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Speaker 2: From the image, they're still fizzing over Owen Cooper's When

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Speaker 2: this was for adolescence, of course, est taughtum drama.

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Speaker 11: Really good at improvising, really good at getting up there

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Speaker 2: Finally, from Idiot Watch, a couple decided that they wanted

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Speaker 2: to take a dip in the Venice Canal. You country that,

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Speaker 2: was the one thousand, one hundred and thirty sixth sanction

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Speaker 2: couple of things, Diane Abbott. This is the other problem

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Speaker 2: that's another problem. Meantime, good news US and China they

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Speaker 2: got a framework on TikTok. Thank the good Lord. This

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Speaker 2: was the second day of these ongoing negotiations in Madrid.

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Speaker 2: Bessence there. The deadline was Thursday, our time to sort

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Speaker 2: While so they said, I didn't think they ever were anyway,

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Speaker 2: it's two private parties. Commercial terms have been agreed upon.

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Speaker 2: Fun Fact Tuesday for you. Alphabet has become overnight the

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Speaker 2: thank helloheer, Welcome to the day. Very good morning, Mike

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Speaker 2: Serviss sector forty seven point five. I know that's not good.

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Speaker 7: No, it's not.

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Speaker 8: No, there's so much talk at the moment, isn't about

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Speaker 8: the sort of economic recovery. And we got a wee

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Speaker 8: So you are referring, Mike to the B and Z

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Speaker 8: back into contraction, and the services sector unfortunately also still

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Speaker 8: harder in August than it did in July. So and

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Speaker 8: we know it's a big part of the New Zealand economy.

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Speaker 8: So yep, forty seven point five. You've given us the

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Speaker 8: number MIC that fell one point four points from forty

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Speaker 8: the long term average for this DART series is fifty

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Speaker 8: two point nine, so we're a fair way away from that.

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Speaker 8: If we break it down into its components, are the

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Speaker 8: forty six point two which fell from forty seven point five.

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Speaker 12: New orders obviously vital.

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Speaker 8: You're not going to get a growth in the future

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Speaker 12: Employment did lift a little bit.

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Speaker 8: Forty eight point three from forty seven point three. Now,

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Speaker 8: comments from respondents reference widespread pressures still, Mike, still from inflation,

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Speaker 8: And if I look at the services sectors around the world, Mike,

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Speaker 12: So what I would say, Mang is.

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Speaker 8: Collectively, I think we're getting a little bit impatient to

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Speaker 8: But we want to see them, don't we we want

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Speaker 2: Which is why we love the farmers.

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Speaker 8: And the farmers don't need to be patient, do they,

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Speaker 8: Because the farmers are happy the Rabobank Rural Confidence Survey,

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Speaker 12: Important mite across all sectors.

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Speaker 12: They're looking favorably at the twelve months ahead.

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Speaker 8: Major source of optimism and there's no clues for getting

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Speaker 12: It's high commodity prices. They remain confident about their own

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Speaker 7: And what's really.

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Speaker 12: Important is their investment intentions, which.

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Speaker 8: Speaks to confidence. They rose at the previous survey. They've

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Speaker 8: held there there there are strongest level they've been since

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Speaker 8: twenty eighteen. Look, there was a question I asked and

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Speaker 12: The question is it was a mixed response, mixed concerns.

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Speaker 8: But they're not overly concerned there, so that yeah, they're

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Speaker 8: elevated farmers sentiments. Fifty one percent of farmers now expecting

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Speaker 8: year ahead. So you know, high milk and actually when

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Speaker 8: you look ahead for the dairy farmers in particular, that

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Speaker 8: high milk price should continue. Not only that from the

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Speaker 8: capital return as well. So yeah, happy days for the farmers.

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Speaker 8: I thank goodness that they're in good shape.

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Speaker 2: That's true. We've got the dairy tomorrow, haven't we We

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Speaker 2: won't you?

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Speaker 7: Of course?

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Speaker 2: Exactly? China? I really you say so the China slow down?

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Speaker 2: How long has the China slow down been going on?

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Speaker 2: Seems like it's have been slowing down for years.

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Speaker 8: Well, actually, have an interesting aside here, So what did

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Speaker 8: what did China have? China had a massive asset bubble

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Speaker 12: What did we have?

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Speaker 8: We had a massive asset price bubble as well. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Well it's Jaqueline, good morning to you.

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Speaker 15: Good morning, and I'm speaking today as a professor at

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Speaker 15: I'm very pleased.

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Speaker 2: When you go down to the pub or the corner,

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Speaker 15: They're feeling positive, but cautiously so because trade might change

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Speaker 15: at any time, as we know from what's happening around

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Speaker 15: and that's why the prices are looking good. It's excellent

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Speaker 15: you're able to make progress. You're feeling that for your

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Speaker 2: Very well said. A lot of people takes me and

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Speaker 15: Spending, certainly a bit of debt, but certainly spending, because

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Speaker 15: Phil Jena, he's an ag economist. He reckons that an

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Speaker 2: It's excellent news, fantastic. We had the story yesterday. What

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Speaker 2: Is there anybody who's not on this rising tie? If

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Speaker 15: It's horticulture is not doing as well. No, and it's

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Speaker 15: We have very strict regulations and we like the regulations,

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Speaker 15: Yes, we're always investigating Tom maclay as a leader of

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Speaker 2: It be while we're on the economy. As we mentioned

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Speaker 2: and they're right, and they've been right all along. It's

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Speaker 2: fifty points to father's place up, so we'll watch them.

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Speaker 17: Wait. It's six forty five International correspondence with ends and

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Speaker 17: eye Insurance, Peace of mind for New Zealand business.

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Speaker 2: Time to go to Frances catain Field. Very good morning

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Speaker 2: to you. Good morning mate, mister lick on you. I

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Speaker 2: note he pulled back a couple of the Those holidays

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Speaker 2: are some sort of peace offering, didn't he? But has

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Speaker 2: he done anything substantive yet or not? No?

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Speaker 16: No, we still don't have a new government here se either.

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Speaker 16: But he has been getting out about and talking to people,

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Speaker 16: he says, he's opened up a dialogue with other parties

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Speaker 16: within parliament. He says, now wait for this one, Mike.

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Speaker 16: He wants a modern frank parliamentary debate, not top down decrees.

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Speaker 16: So that's what we've had so far.

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Speaker 10: He has not ruled out.

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Speaker 16: A wealth tax, that famous wealth tax which is getting

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Speaker 16: everyone talking here, and that's that sort of super rich tax.

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Speaker 16: Anyone who's got assets an excess of one hundred million

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Speaker 16: euros would have to pay a certain amount of extra

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Speaker 16: tax on top of that. The figures on that one

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Speaker 16: is Mike, that there's only one eight hundred people in

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Speaker 16: France who would be affected by this tax. But the

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Speaker 16: man who come up with the idea says it could

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Speaker 16: generate somewhere up to twenty five billion euros a year

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Speaker 16: for the state. Now, if you think back that the

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Speaker 16: former prime minister answer by who was trying to save

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Speaker 16: forty four billion euros. So getting a lot of support

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Speaker 16: that went from should we say, the left wing of

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Speaker 16: the parliamentary grouping not so much from the center or

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Speaker 16: the conservative right.

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Speaker 2: Yes, the Zookerman Tact, whether they actually domiciled in that

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Speaker 2: part of the world or whether they actually end up

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Speaker 2: paying it. Of course, the two completely different things. But

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Speaker 2: none of that helps with Fitch, so they downgrade. You've

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Speaker 2: gone from double a mins to A plus. So therefore

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Speaker 2: all your debt, which is driven this in the first place,

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Speaker 2: suddenly becomes more expensive.

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Speaker 16: It does, indeed, But interestingly enough, it hasn't affected the

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Speaker 16: stock market. The stock market jumped to just under one

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Speaker 16: percent today, it's back up to a three week high,

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Speaker 16: which just goes to show that perhaps, you know, in

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Speaker 16: a way, France can fumble along. But it's a bit

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Speaker 16: of a sort of indicator that people saying that the

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Speaker 16: European economy is going to grow.

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Speaker 10: It looks as if it might.

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Speaker 16: But it's the big plus for what we're expecting, which

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Speaker 16: is the aerospace and Defense index to jump. A lot

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Speaker 16: of expenditure here now on European defense, whether it be

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Speaker 16: aired jets, anything else to do with the military. That's

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Speaker 16: where it seems to investors think that's where the money's.

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Speaker 18: Going to be going.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the speaking of the military, these are these sanctions,

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Speaker 2: yet more sanctions. And I'm particularly interested in this tourist thing.

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Speaker 2: So yes, it's oil, and it's diplomats and all that

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Speaker 2: sort of stuff. Would they seriously look in some way,

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Speaker 2: shape or form at moving on tourists because that's income,

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Speaker 2: of course, isn't it for you guys year.

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Speaker 16: Not so much income nowadays.

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Speaker 8: I mean, you say this.

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Speaker 16: Is the rumor that the EU wants various member nations

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Speaker 16: to make it more expensive and more odious for everyday

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Speaker 16: Russians to come to Europe. It's already gone down a lot.

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Speaker 16: I mean, just looking back, what twenty nineteen there was

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Speaker 16: some four million Russian tourists came to the EU on

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Speaker 16: his cir called Shingen visas. Twenty twenty four was half

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Speaker 16: a million, So the numbers are already well down. And

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Speaker 16: in fact the problem with this idea, Mike, is that

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Speaker 16: the EU might look powerful, but it actually cannot impose

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Speaker 16: this on member nations because it's member states who decide

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Speaker 16: who gets visas. And it's really just been the frontline states,

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Speaker 16: particularly the Baltics at Stonia and Lapu Lithuania, who've been

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Speaker 16: putting this straight out van But you know, again, Russians

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Speaker 16: aren't spending that much and not many are coming.

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Speaker 2: Over no where are we it, by the way, with

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Speaker 2: Trump and one hundred percent, and is Europe going to

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Speaker 2: do any of that or is he just putting the

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Speaker 2: ball in your court so he doesn't look as bad

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Speaker 2: for a meeting that was never going to take place,

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Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 16: I think he pretty much stummed up there. Yes, Trump

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Speaker 16: wants NATO to put in tariffs against countries that are trading,

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Speaker 16: particularly oil from Russia. That would mean China and India.

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Speaker 18: Yeah.

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Speaker 16: I mean, here's the interesting thing about this, Mike, he

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Speaker 16: said that NATO needed to put tariffs on Well, NATO

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Speaker 16: was an economic power. It's not an economic grouping. It

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Speaker 16: cannot put sanctions on anybody. The other interesting thing about

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Speaker 16: that particular Mike is the big buyer of Russian oil

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Speaker 16: within Europe. It's also a member of NATO. Was hungry,

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Speaker 16: that was all, but it was a very close friend

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Speaker 16: and also Sovaka close friend of Russia and of Trump.

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Speaker 16: Another is, of course Turkey, which has got a pipeline

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Speaker 16: directly to Russia. And of course Turkey, Key member of NATO,

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Speaker 16: is still playing that stranding role friend of Europe, friend

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Speaker 16: of Russia, friend of China. It really does look as though,

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Speaker 16: well it's been welcomed here in Europe as another excuse

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Speaker 16: for Donald Trump to not put sanctions against Russia.

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Speaker 2: He's just quickly speaking of Russia, the Belarus and these exercises.

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Speaker 2: That posturing or are we shaking in our boots? What's

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Speaker 2: going on?

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Speaker 16: Lots of that's posturing because there's so few taking part

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Speaker 16: of it this year, only one thousand troops taking part.

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Speaker 16: If you remember the last time twenty twenty one and

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Speaker 16: there were some twenty thousand troops taking part, Yes, a

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Speaker 16: lot of those troops then move from those to Ukraine.

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Speaker 18: It just comes at a very.

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Speaker 2: Jittery time, Mike.

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Speaker 16: Last week we got nineteen drones flying over Polish air space.

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Speaker 16: It's just, you know, if you could choose a bad

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Speaker 16: time to have war games, this is a bad time.

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Speaker 2: Always good to have you on the program. Catherine go well,

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Speaker 2: Catherine Field out of France. By the way, the one

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Speaker 2: in one out starts this week between France and the UK.

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Speaker 2: Will leave that when we see it, and yet another country.

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Speaker 2: French children under fifteen should be banned from social media

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Speaker 2: and there should be an overnight digital curfew for fifteen

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Speaker 2: to eighteen year olds. This is out of a six

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Speaker 2: month inquiry. We must force TikTok to rethink its model,

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Speaker 2: so we'll see where that goes. If anywhere nine away

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Speaker 2: from seven.

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Speaker 1: The Mike Hosking Breakfast with Bailey's Real Estate news Talks, there'd.

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Speaker 2: Be bikos apalto see the news that the Gray was

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Speaker 2: going to pull out the peach orchid. I'd pay a

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Speaker 2: dollar eighty nine ten for New Zealand peaches. It's still cheap.

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Speaker 2: Really cheap doesn't mean better, No, it doesn't. But that's

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Speaker 2: how the world works. And you'll have any number of

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Speaker 2: people who every time I raise TEAMU or shean on

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Speaker 2: this programming and goes ah, I can buy nineteen l

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Speaker 2: a's for twelve cents. And that's the way the world works,

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Speaker 2: repeaches Mike. Hopefully a local company takes those peaches. Well

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Speaker 2: you're not, because he's cutting them down. We'll see them

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Speaker 2: in the supermarket. Is fresh fruit rather, I would pay

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Speaker 2: three bucks a can for New Zealand grant. Well, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean, so there's two of you. That's not a

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Speaker 2: business model, and that's and that Look, I'm on your side,

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Speaker 2: but reality is reality, Mike. And this is a very

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Speaker 2: good point. Hines. An American company bought Watties, of course,

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Speaker 2: and is now importing fruit and vegetables like taralas French

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Speaker 2: companies buying Fonterra brands will start importing jupidiary PROCs. No,

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Speaker 2: not for now, Robbie fairpoint, because that's in the contract.

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Speaker 2: But the contract will not last forever five away from seven.

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Speaker 3: While the ins are the outs. It's the fizz.

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Speaker 1: With business timer take your business productivity to the next level.

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Speaker 2: Business New Zealand CEO Catherine Richard in a of moments.

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Speaker 2: But their sentiments survey, sixty eight percent tell us they

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Speaker 2: intend to spend more or the same. This is capital

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Speaker 2: compared with sixty one percent last year, so we're bullish

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Speaker 2: on spending, which is good. Last year, thirty three percent

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Speaker 2: said they'd be spending less. That numbers dropped to twenty

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Speaker 2: five percent. So we think green shoots green shoots. Sorry

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Speaker 2: Andrew Kelleher, but this green shop could be green shoots, Andrew.

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Speaker 2: Seventy nine percent said they're either normal or high or

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Speaker 2: very high demand for their company, services or product good.

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Speaker 2: Those who export the state, seventy three percent were either

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Speaker 2: confident or neutral that the tariffs would affect them. They'd

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Speaker 2: be able to continue exporting at the same rate. It's encouraging.

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Speaker 2: I think that's a quality thing. I tried to say

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Speaker 2: that right at the stay yourself Felton Road into New York. Right,

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Speaker 2: they'll pay anything for Felton Road to Penina. That doesn't

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Speaker 2: really matter what the tariffs do. Biggest issue for business

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Speaker 2: number one issue sixty one percent say the reversals of

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Speaker 2: government policies following an election. That's if labor gets back.

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Speaker 2: Are you quite right to be freaked out, especially if

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Speaker 2: they line up with the Marory party in the Greens.

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Speaker 2: Imagine what's going to happen? Then, followed by the international

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Speaker 2: politics affecting business fifty eight percent concerned about that was

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Speaker 2: a government debt affecting spending and growth. Fifty one percent

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Speaker 2: are concerned about that, so they should be. Now the

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Speaker 2: concern would be young workers coming through. Can you believe

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Speaker 2: that the school leaders the majority were either unskilled or

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Speaker 2: at the very base level when it came to skilled

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Speaker 2: And that's because we let too many kids out of

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Speaker 2: school without any qualifications. No halfway for life anyway, Catherine

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Speaker 2: Rich from Business New Zealand. In the next half hour,

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Speaker 2: then our next problem gas it seems to be getting

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Speaker 2: increasingly worse every time we raise the subject. Shane Jones

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Speaker 2: on that for you shortly.

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Speaker 1: The only report you need to start your day the

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Speaker 1: my casting Breakfast with Bailey's Real Estate covering all your

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Speaker 1: real estate needs news togs heead be only.

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Speaker 2: Seven past seven. Lot of focus on our economy this week.

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Speaker 2: We got the Q two GDP numbers out Thursday. Alongside those,

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Speaker 2: the latest services sector read down a number one point

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Speaker 2: four points. We're sitting at forty seven point five in August.

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Speaker 2: That is eighteen straight months of contraction. Katherine Riches, the

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Speaker 2: Business New Zealand CEE Owners with us Katherine, morning to you,

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Speaker 2: Good morning. We saw a little bit of life in

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Speaker 2: retail up zero point nine, driven by apparel and hospitality.

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Speaker 2: How would you describe it? Patchy, worried, problematic? What do

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Speaker 2: we got?

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Speaker 18: It is patchy. I think what we're facing is a

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Speaker 18: tail of two economies. Really, we know the primary sector

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Speaker 18: is doing quite well, but of course major part of

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Speaker 18: the economy is a services sector and we're still seeing

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Speaker 18: that part of the economy really facing challenges. And that's

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Speaker 18: what our PSI result shows eighteen months of contraction. But

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Speaker 18: on the other side, we're seeing from the Business New

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Speaker 18: Zealand Sentiment Survey a bit of an uptick in the

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Speaker 18: way firms are considering investment, particularly for next year. So

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Speaker 18: that's positive.

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Speaker 2: So we had those numbers just before seven o'clock. So

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Speaker 2: the intent is driven by what? Is it driven by

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Speaker 2: hope or is it driven by some tills actually run

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Speaker 2: and I've got some money to spend.

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Speaker 18: I think it's a combination of hope. But for those

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Speaker 18: people who follow the news closely, they do see that

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Speaker 18: the government's trying to pull every single economic growth lever

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Speaker 18: it possibly can. Changes to immigration and tax and the RMA,

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Speaker 18: and I could list out the rest of them. People

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Speaker 18: know what they are, but I think also some understand

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Speaker 18: it's an incredibly long lead time and so while some

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Speaker 18: of those changes aren't immediately obvious for twenty twenty six,

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Speaker 18: a lot of those changes will come to fruition.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you how much weight do you place

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Speaker 2: on consumer confidence in the sense that how many people

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Speaker 2: do you think are in a funk because they've decided

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Speaker 2: to be in a funk as opposed to they could

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Speaker 2: probably have a different attitude if they wanted.

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Speaker 18: I think there is an element of being a small

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Speaker 18: country where we can talk ourselves into a bit of

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Speaker 18: a funk. But that's why I think the business new Zealand.

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Speaker 18: Data about both our Performance of Manufacturing Index and our

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Speaker 18: Performance of Services Index are good leading indicators because they

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Speaker 18: show economists what businesses are thinking today and the future.

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Speaker 18: The issue with the primary sector is that yes, it's

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Speaker 18: doing well, but there's not a lot of indication that

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Speaker 18: it's flowing through to spending. And I think some consumers,

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Speaker 18: even with changes to the OCR and other more upbeat indicators,

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Speaker 18: they're still saying, Look, I'm not one hundred percent sure

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Speaker 18: I trust that, yet I'm still going to keep my

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Speaker 18: hand in my pockets.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, okay, I appreciate it. Catherine Catherine Rich,

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Speaker 2: who's the Business New Zealand CEO. We worried about what

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Speaker 2: Andrew Keller has said earlier on in the program that

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Speaker 2: you know, we've talked ourselves into the potential of something

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Speaker 2: happening this year economically and it hasn't and whether or

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Speaker 2: not it may not actually come to pass. But as

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Speaker 2: I say, the GDP numbers out on Thursday, ten minutes

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Speaker 2: past seven PASKI they are for Q two, not Q three,

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Speaker 2: which is where we are at the moment. Anyway, other

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Speaker 2: matters to worry about. More warnings from our power sector.

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Speaker 2: New paper suggests that without new gas then industrial, commercial

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Speaker 2: and domestic users, that all of us really could run

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Speaker 2: dry by twenty twenty nine. It also raises fears that

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Speaker 2: New Zealander of New Zealand' and d industrialization, Our Resources

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Speaker 2: Minister Shane Jones is with us morning, hey, morning vote.

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Speaker 2: How how worried is the government right here right now

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Speaker 2: on this.

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Speaker 7: Well.

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Speaker 19: Obviously the gas fields off the coast of Taranaki have

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Speaker 19: declined precipitously, and no one imagined that they're dropped so quickly.

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Speaker 19: And since twenty eighteen, no one's been encouraged or incentivized

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Speaker 19: or quite frankly allowed to go out and re establish

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Speaker 19: the oil and gas industry out to just send a

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Speaker 19: juvenile call, and it's had a devastating effect, especially in Taranaki,

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Speaker 19: and a lot of our firms they would like to

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Speaker 19: move on from gas, but the period of time it's

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Speaker 19: going to require and the cost means, as Catherine Rich said,

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Speaker 19: a lot of people there are very doubtful.

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Speaker 2: Are we really going to run dry in four years time?

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Speaker 19: In simple terms, what's going to happen in twenty nine

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Speaker 19: point thirty in the event that we either don't pult

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Speaker 19: gas or we don't find. A major find is that

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Speaker 19: the demand will still be there, but the supply will

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Speaker 19: be below the demand, and there will be a fraction

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Speaker 19: of gas available but for those big users, and quite frankly,

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Speaker 19: the energy companies use quite a lot of gas and

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Speaker 19: they can pay because they hand it on to you

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Speaker 19: and I That's what the crisis will be. There will

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Speaker 19: be too many businesses in New Zealand still dependent on gas,

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Speaker 19: and the supply of the gas will be below their

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Speaker 19: need for gas.

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Speaker 2: And so the price will go up and only those

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Speaker 2: who can afford it will do it. So where are

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Speaker 2: the meetings at? Can you degas a company? Do they

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Speaker 2: want to degas? Are their alternatives as any of that real?

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Speaker 19: Well? Some of them are endeavoring to shift I mean

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Speaker 19: full marks to the Genesis is probably the CEO that

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Speaker 19: I can understand most lucidly, the chap who Malcolm, the

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Speaker 19: chap who runs Genesis. He has said that they are

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Speaker 19: willing to what gas they have make it available for

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Speaker 19: industrial people, and they will continue to import coal. But

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Speaker 19: I'm waiting for them to start digging up the cold

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Speaker 19: ten meters or ten kilometers away from country rather than

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Speaker 19: bring coal in from Indonesia. We have the ability to

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Speaker 19: make more gas available if we burn more coal in

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Speaker 19: the short term. Both of those were demonized and tainted

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Speaker 19: by Jacinda and Megan Woods, who, by the way, is

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Speaker 19: still going to overturn our legislation and reinstate the ban.

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Speaker 19: That's how mad things are.

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Speaker 2: Exactly. Is the opg idea real or not? I mean,

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Speaker 2: can we bring it in from Astraya at a cost

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Speaker 2: that we can afford or not?

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Speaker 19: Well, when you and I grew up, our gas was

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Speaker 19: two to three four dollars at most. It then went

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Speaker 19: up to twelve to fifteen In the last eighteen months

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Speaker 19: twenty four months, we've been advised that we can bring

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Speaker 19: it in from, if not Australia, from America and other places.

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Speaker 19: But it's likely to be north of twenty dollars and

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Speaker 19: that's a big change for a country that's being used

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Speaker 19: to buying gas at two to four dollars.

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Speaker 2: Exactly. All right, mate, nice to talk, appreciate it, Shane Jones,

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Speaker 2: Resources Minister. By the way, thirteen past seven, j told

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Speaker 2: you so. But demand for uranium is forecast arised by

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Speaker 2: Neely third by twenty thirty, more than double by twenty

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Speaker 2: forty is from the world in nuclear association momentum in

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Speaker 2: the industry which we have not seen for decades. So

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Speaker 2: most of the world has worked out nuclear as the antswer.

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Speaker 2: We've missed the bowt completely because we won't even have

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Speaker 2: the discussion. But nevertheless there are answers out there, we

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Speaker 2: just don't want to see them. Fourteen past the.

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Speaker 2: As part of the Governments of Vents and Tourism package,

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Speaker 2: they also announced a review into the role of Eden

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Speaker 2: Park and whether the thing might be used a little

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Speaker 2: more productively than it currently is. Their current rules, if

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Speaker 2: you don't know, they are only six artists allowed to

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Speaker 2: play twelve shows a year, only only on certain days

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Speaker 2: and at certain times. As watched, Prime Minister announce us

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Speaker 2: yesterday along with Louise upston. I just thought I knew

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Speaker 2: this and yet to hear it are particulated out loud.

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Speaker 2: It's just embarrassing how bad we are as the country

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Speaker 2: at times. Chris Bishop is the RAMA Reform Ministries with us,

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Speaker 2: good morning, good morning. I mean, do you feel the

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Speaker 2: same way. You're only allowed six artists twelve shows a year,

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Speaker 2: and you can't do it on a Sunday or after

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Speaker 2: three o'clock. It's just pathetic.

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Speaker 20: It's comical, isn't it. And the worst is the only

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Speaker 20: allowed four concerts in a four week period. So if

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Speaker 20: you want a good run of acts coming, you can't

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Speaker 20: because you only allowed four in a four week period.

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Speaker 20: In a month, you know, you can't have more than

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Speaker 20: two thousand people for a conference facility. You know, the

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Speaker 20: four games have to finish at nine point thirty unless

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Speaker 20: their cracket in which they can go to ten o'clock.

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Speaker 20: I mean it's just sort of comically yeah yeah.

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Speaker 2: So why is the announcement yesterday about an investigation as

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Speaker 2: opposed to just getting on and doing it.

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Speaker 20: Because the law requires me to do that, so we

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Speaker 20: gave ourselves the ability and central government to do this.

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Speaker 3: Just a couple of weeks ago.

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Speaker 2: This is a very new power.

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Speaker 20: This was in the Rama Amendment Build that just went through,

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Speaker 20: and it requires me to start an investigation under the Act.

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Speaker 20: And I have to basically do an investigation into whether

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Speaker 20: or not local rules like these are holding back growth

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Speaker 20: or development. I have to write to the Council about it.

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Speaker 20: I have to do some work on it. I have

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Speaker 20: to consult with people, and then I have to make

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Speaker 20: an assessment. It only takes about four to six weeks.

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Speaker 20: And we're not talking about an olivated process here.

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Speaker 2: But we can jump to the end. You've made your assessment,

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Speaker 2: we know what's going to happen and things will change.

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Speaker 2: Is that fair or not. No, I haven't made my assessment.

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Speaker 2: I haven't pre done anything.

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Speaker 20: Well, I'm a statutory decision maker in relation to this,

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Speaker 20: so I've indicated my you know, I mean, I've publicly

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Speaker 20: said on many occasions I think the rules are pretty stupid.

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Speaker 20: But I've got to go through a statutory process. So

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Speaker 20: I've started that work. In fact, I signed the paperwork

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Speaker 20: a couple of days ago.

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Speaker 2: That conference thing that you talk of, the medical I've

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Speaker 2: forgotten it was a story around a couple of weeks ago.

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Speaker 2: Maybe ACT was involved medical conferences and the fear of

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Speaker 2: advertising medicines, and we couldn't have conferences as you've discovered

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Speaker 2: these mad rules. I mean, who thinks of this in

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Speaker 2: the first place.

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Speaker 20: Well, I think in relation to Eden Park, you know

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Speaker 20: you've got quite a strong residence association there. Yeah, you

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Speaker 20: know Helen Clark and others who you know, pretty worked

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Speaker 20: up about basically anything from what I can see happening

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Speaker 20: at Eden Park. But the reality is it's our national

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Speaker 20: stadium and it's it's where we want concerts and major

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Speaker 20: events to take place.

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Speaker 3: It's just as simple as that.

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Speaker 20: We've got a train station right next door, you know,

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Speaker 20: and it's existing infrastructure, so we want we do want

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Speaker 20: to see it developed.

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Speaker 2: Sooner the better get on with it, appreciate it. Rama

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Speaker 2: reform Minister Christopher Bishop with us this morning, Trade me properly,

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Speaker 2: Medium rent sixty sixty down two point two. Dunedin it's

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Speaker 2: shambles many a long year. Next problem is the Murray

868
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Speaker 2: Party are too wacky to ever be in government Ferris

869
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 2: or no Ferris, and citing Ferris as some sort of issue,

870
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,839
Speaker 2: you are forgetting Packer Yet and Mip Clark and all

871
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:56,800
Speaker 2: the others who found themselves in front of the Privileges

872
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 2: Committee and sanctioned in a way we're not seen previously.

873
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,720
Speaker 2: These are not people remotely interested in working with others.

874
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 2: And then that's the real issue for Labor. It's not

875
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 2: the Marray Party's problem. If the Marry Party weren't attached

876
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 2: to the center left block by polling, none of this

877
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 2: fairest nonsense would be of any interest to anyone. But

878
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 2: because mathematically they're needed in an invented deal for polling purposes,

879
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:20,280
Speaker 2: they take on larger importance because without them, Labour stands

880
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 2: zero chants in the election next year. To make the

881
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,280
Speaker 2: story interesting, what happens is the polsters in the media

882
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 2: have to align all three parties otherwise the narrative doesn't work.

883
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 2: Then the other issue for Willie, the so called political

884
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 2: extremists see talk of another name for them, by the way,

885
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:37,919
Speaker 2: is middle New Zealand. Who saw what labor and labor

886
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 2: alone did with married in between twenty twenty and twenty

887
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 2: twenty three. The obsession, the name changes, the new rules,

888
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 2: the courses, the compulsion around all things Maria talk about.

889
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 2: Turn the punter off between the Greens with their Palestine

890
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:52,839
Speaker 2: and wealth tax fascination, the Maori Party and their separatism.

891
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 2: No wonder, Labour are worried. They've got freaks for friends,

892
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 2: pasking and this is exactly what I mean. Just drop

893
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 2: the spawning the latest radio in New Zealand read research

894
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 2: political poll deadlock Parliament. Now, how's it deadlocked? Labour's up

895
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 2: one point one to thirty four, National's up one point

896
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 2: eight to thirty two and a half. Green's are down

897
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 2: a bit ten. New Zealand first down a bit eight

898
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 2: point seven, Act edged up to seven point two to

899
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 2: party may have gone down. They've gone down one point

900
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 2: four to four point one, which is a complete pile

901
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:22,760
Speaker 2: of crap. They were never in excess of five anyway.

902
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,919
Speaker 2: This is how it's worded on these numbers. The right

903
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 2: block now you can put the right block together. Why

904
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 2: because they're real, they exist, they're in a coalition. It's

905
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 2: happened it's happening. But you can't put the left block

906
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 2: together because they've never been together. So you're putting it

907
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:41,320
Speaker 2: together for narrative purposes. You're inventing something that doesn't exist,

908
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:44,240
Speaker 2: because if you can't have the left block, you've got nothing.

909
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 2: So under your left block narrative, you've got a tired parliament.

910
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 2: Another one of these poles that says it's sixty sixty

911
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:51,919
Speaker 2: in terms of seats, So it's tired. But you don't

912
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 2: have a left block because it simply doesn't exist. And

913
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 2: I'm trying to tell you this now, it won't exist.

914
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 2: And because it won't exist, the elections over before it started.

915
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 2: Remember we heard it first, Mike. I'm sure there will

916
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 2: be more than two of us who'd continue to buy

917
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 2: New Zealand. Teachers consumers need to hear about what's going

918
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 2: on earlier. Well, you do know what's going Look at

919
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 2: the tin when you're on the supermarket. Look at the tin.

920
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 2: Work out where the peachers came from. And if it

921
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 2: says South Africa or India, Malaysia or Bangladesh, you know

922
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:18,760
Speaker 2: they're not local.

923
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Speaker 7: Yeah.

924
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Speaker 5: First, first, you've got to like features though, don't you.

925
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 2: Well, that's the other thing, isn't it with all that syrupy,

926
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Speaker 2: saucy gooky stuff news for you in a couple of months.

927
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Speaker 3: New Zealand's voice of reason is.

928
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Speaker 1: Mike the Mic asking Breakfast with a Vida, retirement, communities,

929
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Speaker 1: life your Way news togs head been.

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Speaker 2: Mike, I don't really expect for a moment that you'll

931
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 2: read this out well wrong, You're wrong there, But as

932
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Speaker 2: a former teacher, I'd like to offer this aspect which

933
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 2: has not been covered in any new reports that I've

934
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Speaker 2: seen today. While teachers may not have the greatest pay,

935
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 2: and maybe they deserve more, the one thing that they

936
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 2: are not acknowledging is that once you have qualified as

937
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 2: a teacher, you have long term job security, while not

938
00:44:56,520 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 2: many jobs these days have. Chris very good point. The

939
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 2: thing that's always fascinating me about these sort of jobs

940
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 2: and all the people that go on strike is you

941
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 2: know what the terms and conditions are when you go

942
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 2: and no one. No one's pretending that you're going to

943
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 2: get rich being a teacher or in this or indeed

944
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 2: a doctor in general circumstances. But it's increasingly obvious you

945
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 2: are comfortable. In some cases, you are more than comfortable,

946
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 2: and you are more than comfortable compared to most people

947
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 2: in this country, which says something sadly about the wage

948
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,359
Speaker 2: level in this but nevertheless, you know what you get

949
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:29,280
Speaker 2: going in, Mike. Did you watch New Zealand's Best Homes

950
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:32,240
Speaker 2: with Phil on Sunday? Boy, do we have some fabulous

951
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 2: architectural designs and wonderful homes one in Russell, oemg Andy.

952
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 2: I didn't. I didn't spun through it because I didn't

953
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 2: have time. But you're right and if you ever want

954
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 2: to be uplifted and the show, if you haven't seen it,

955
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 2: it's on TV one. It's the guy Phil from Phil

956
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 2: Spencer from you know, Love and or Listed or Location Location,

957
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:56,320
Speaker 2: whatever it's called. Anyway, it's made for British television because

958
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:58,439
Speaker 2: it's got that whole and here we are in New

959
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 2: Zealand and Sunny Cora. Man, it's got that about it.

960
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 2: But the houses they look at reminds you one of

961
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,760
Speaker 2: some extraordinary architects in this country and some brilliant builders.

962
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 2: To the scenery itself you just go to. They are

963
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 2: in Powernui there and Coramandel there in Russell. You put

964
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 2: those pictures out to the world and tell me that

965
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 2: we are not one of the most beautiful places on earth,

966
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 2: and therefore that alone as a tourist magnet cannot help

967
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 2: it succeed twenty two minutes away from it. Now back

968
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 2: to the forestry debate. So we got the directors of

969
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 2: the company called Samnik Forestry Management Urban Tide of the

970
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 2: courts to clean up debrief on their operations. It's the

971
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 2: old slash thing. They claim the cost would bankrupt them,

972
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Speaker 2: so they're repealing this now. Elizabeth hag is the New

973
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 2: Zealand forest Owners' Association boss and is with us. Elizabeth,

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00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 2: morning to you, Good morning, Michael. Is this a wider issuer?

975
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:49,439
Speaker 2: Is this a specific case? I mean, slash is not new,

976
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 2: is it?

977
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 21: No, it's not new, and it's a gibbon issue specifically

978
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 21: around the rest of the country. We've got plenty of

979
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 21: places where it's a lot easier to control flash. But

980
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,799
Speaker 21: it's a function in givesmon of the topography and of

981
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 21: the increasing storm damage that we've seen in the region.

982
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 21: That it's a particular issue and something we're working through

983
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:13,479
Speaker 21: with the council there.

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00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 2: Okay, So part of the argument is of course that

985
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:19,839
Speaker 2: the forests say it's the person who owns the land's job.

986
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 2: That's why we're in court. Are these things not understood

987
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 2: before you enter into the contract?

988
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 21: I think pulling out wider than this specific case, because

989
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 21: there's a lot of different arrangements you can have in

990
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 21: terms of forestry ownership. What we're really focused on is

991
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 21: how do we get engineering and land controls in place

992
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 21: so we can minimize any anything going outside of the

993
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 21: forest would ending up in waterways is a bad outcome

994
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 21: for everybody involved. Obviously that'll be folks investment that's going

995
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 21: in there, and it's not sustainable from an environmental perspective.

996
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 21: So we're really focused on how do we prevent this

997
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:00,040
Speaker 21: from happening. If it does happen and we need to

998
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 21: work with counsel to remediate it, then we just need

999
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 21: to make sure that we've got workable conditions and that

1000
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 21: Council and the judiciary understand what's actually feasible in terms

1001
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:12,879
Speaker 21: of how we can then go about cleaning it up.

1002
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 2: And people don't understand that going in I mean, is

1003
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 2: this an operational thing from the forest management company's point

1004
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 2: of view? In other words, the way you conduct business

1005
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 2: may or may not lead to problems, or is it

1006
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 2: not as simple as that.

1007
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 21: Yeah, no, it can be as simple as that, and

1008
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 21: that's something we're working through as well, is are there

1009
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 21: practice changes that we need to make And that's something

1010
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 21: we work on as an association. Is you know, with

1011
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 21: these increasing intensity of storm events, what does good look

1012
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 21: like for forestry practice? So it can be a combination

1013
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 21: of how people are managing it, but also if you've

1014
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 21: had a really intense storm, it's about making sure that

1015
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 21: you know the expectations that folks have for cleanup are realistic,

1016
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:58,839
Speaker 21: because you know, if every pine cone that's rolled down

1017
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 21: the hill is expected to be picked up, even from

1018
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 21: a health and safety perspective, we're not going to be

1019
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 21: able to action to that level.

1020
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 2: Will the courts sort this out? Do you think to

1021
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 2: everyone's satisfaction? Or are you going to have to do

1022
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 2: something different about this?

1023
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,839
Speaker 21: Well, in the broad sense, I would like to think

1024
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 21: that the Court's council and the forestry companies can all

1025
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 21: work together so that we get a good outcome for

1026
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:26,320
Speaker 21: the community. I think Gisbon is it's a particularly tricky

1027
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 21: place to do forestry, and we're committed to supporting the

1028
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:32,760
Speaker 21: local foresters there to try and get the best outcomes.

1029
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 2: Good stuff Elizabeth, appreciate your time, doctor Elizabeth Hayg who's

1030
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:38,479
Speaker 2: the New Zealand Forest Owners Association boss. Eighteen minutes away

1031
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 2: from it, Hosk like, stop praising the architects. They get

1032
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:44,799
Speaker 2: their crayons and draw pretty pictures. It's the engineer who

1033
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 2: has to do the design and calculations.

1034
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Speaker 7: Check.

1035
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 5: Oh, we're going to get into this again, don't we.

1036
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 2: Unbelievable shortage of accommodation. I've got some advice here. There's

1037
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:57,879
Speaker 2: a problem building for COP thirty. Every year I do

1038
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 2: this and every year I laugh. We're up to thirty.

1039
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:05,399
Speaker 2: We're up to thirty cop bear cake. Let's hope say

1040
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:09,359
Speaker 2: Cop thirty is in November. There's a shortage of accommodation.

1041
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 2: The Brazilian president are Silver. He chose this city at

1042
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 2: the mouth of the Amazon River so that we could

1043
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 2: all stand a belliem at the mouth of the Amazon

1044
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:22,760
Speaker 2: River and go, oh, there's the world that we're desperate

1045
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 2: to save. Anyway, the problem with it is there's no accommodation.

1046
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 2: There's a lot of those what they call short term motels,

1047
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 2: if you know what I mean, under normal circumstances, hired

1048
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 2: out by the hour. Anyway, this price gouging going left,

1049
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 2: right and center. And so the call from diplomats and

1050
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 2: various groups and countries is, can we do something about

1051
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 2: the accommodation. I'm here to help. Don't go save your time,

1052
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:49,799
Speaker 2: save you money, save your energy, because as sure as

1053
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 2: night follows day, I can assure you, right here, right now,

1054
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 2: the world through COP twenty is going to be no

1055
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 2: better or worse off because of your attendants at the

1056
00:50:58,719 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 2: mouth of the Amazon Ris.

1057
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 22: Couldn't they just wander off into the jungle like Joe

1058
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:04,800
Speaker 22: Biden did that time seventeen to eight.

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Speaker 1: The Vike Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered

1060
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Speaker 1: by News Talks at be.

1061
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Speaker 2: Actually speaking of climate change doctor Eric Crampton of the

1062
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Speaker 2: New Zealand Initiative the other day, look it up, talk

1063
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 2: of meeting Paris target of one point five c is

1064
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 2: hot air. Look that up. It was a newsroom. Under

1065
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 2: the Paris Agreement, countries must provide targets. Blah blah blah.

1066
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 2: Climate change conferences usually call on everyone to be more ambitious,

1067
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 2: and everyone at these sorts of conferences agrees, and everyone applauds,

1068
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:41,240
Speaker 2: and everyone goes home. But what is the point he asks,

1069
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 2: of setting a far more ambitious target for a country

1070
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 2: that was not really on track to meet it in

1071
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Speaker 2: the first place. Not a bad point. He was on

1072
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Speaker 2: a panel. The panel's moderator asked him what success looks like.

1073
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 2: He said, success is building and maintaining political support in

1074
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 2: New Zealand and internationally. Have we done that with Paris? No,

1075
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 2: we have not, and that's look that up. That's well

1076
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 2: worth reading. Is insightful as always. But the interesting thing

1077
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Speaker 2: yesterday if you ever want to see people getting carried

1078
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Speaker 2: away with themselves, there was a massive report. It was

1079
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 2: one thousand pages. That's useful, isn't it? Thousand pages into

1080
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 2: climate change and the climate catastrophe that's facing Australia that

1081
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 2: was released yesterday. But the Climate Change Minister Chris Bow

1082
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:18,880
Speaker 2: in a thousand pages, how many people aren't to none

1083
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 2: will read that? I mean, honestly, climate change is ongoing

1084
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 2: in pac cascading, it's cascading, it's compounding, it's concurrent. It's

1085
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 2: called the National Climate Risk Assessment Report. The whole country

1086
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:33,840
Speaker 2: has a lot at stake, et cetera, particularly impacting Queensland,

1087
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 2: New South Wales ACT and Tasmania Urban Tasmania. Ah, you

1088
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 2: got to live in Tasmania and climate change are going

1089
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:41,320
Speaker 2: to get you. Cost of action is smaller than the

1090
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 2: cost of inaction. There's a line I haven't heard before.

1091
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 2: That's what you do with important issues. Doesn't it come

1092
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 2: up with a cliche? Cost of inaction is smaller than

1093
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 2: the cost of inaction. Loss that they looked at loss

1094
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:54,800
Speaker 2: of property values six hundred and ten billion by twenty fifty.

1095
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 2: Do you reckon they think that's accurate? Or do you

1096
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 2: think they made that up? Six hundred and eleven, not

1097
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 2: six hundred and nine, not six hundred and twenty three,

1098
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:04,360
Speaker 2: not five hundred and twelve, six hundred and eleven to

1099
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 2: the last cent billion dollars in the loss of property

1100
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:10,280
Speaker 2: value by twenty fifty going to be high heat, Certain

1101
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:13,320
Speaker 2: occupations such as construction and agriculture going to be more difficult.

1102
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 2: What does that mean? You're going to get a sun burn,

1103
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 2: it's going to be too hot, You're going to have

1104
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:19,240
Speaker 2: to long a lunch break or nothing. Seven hundred thousand.

1105
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 2: Listen to the gaps and the numbers they come up with.

1106
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:26,280
Speaker 2: Somewhere between seven hundred thousand and two point seven million

1107
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 2: workdays would be lost by twenty sixty one due to

1108
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 2: heat waves. So it's somewhere between seven hundred thousand and two.

1109
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:35,839
Speaker 2: But in other words, it could be anything. Labour productivity

1110
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 2: could fall by between zero point two and zero point

1111
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:41,799
Speaker 2: eight quite a bit gap. That in dollar terms is

1112
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 2: somewhere between one hundred and thirty five and four hundred

1113
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:46,399
Speaker 2: and twenty three billion. Once again, they've made these numbers up.

1114
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 2: By twenty fifty, the number of coastal communities located and

1115
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 2: high and very high risk areas will increase substantially, and

1116
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 2: of current population remains the same that will represent it

1117
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 2: increase one point five million people impacted in coastal areas

1118
00:53:57,560 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 2: by corrosion, corrosion and other impacts a thousand pages. I

1119
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:06,280
Speaker 2: just summed that up relative and where's that going? Eh?

1120
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:07,880
Speaker 2: And what are they going to do about it? The

1121
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:09,800
Speaker 2: answer is, broadly speaking, nothing.

1122
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 1: Tend to wait the mic asking breakfast with Veda, Retirement

1123
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 1: Communities News togs head.

1124
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:18,359
Speaker 2: Bes sipping away from eight. I got some good news

1125
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 2: on the international investment front where a workshop you'll know

1126
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 2: the name, they've signed a memorandum of understanding in m

1127
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:27,439
Speaker 2: O you with Saudi Arabian Creative Broken. The deal aims

1128
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 2: to boost creative and cultural exchange. It includes training and

1129
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 2: skill development and shared knowledge. And David Wilts's the Way

1130
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 2: to Workshop co CEO, Chief Operating Officer, and he is

1131
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:39,279
Speaker 2: with us from Saudi Arabia. Morning, Good morning to you, Mike.

1132
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:41,719
Speaker 2: How long? How long has this been in the pipeline.

1133
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 14: We've probably been working our way through these relationships for

1134
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 14: the last year, year and a half. It's it's obviously

1135
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 14: been a journey of building, getting to know, getting to

1136
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:56,959
Speaker 14: know each other, but it's an exciting, exciting developments for us.

1137
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 2: And what are the prospects? Where does this go? Do

1138
00:54:59,640 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 2: you think?

1139
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:03,799
Speaker 14: Yeah, great question, Look, I think the really it's the

1140
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:05,839
Speaker 14: history of where we've come from and where we're heading.

1141
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 14: We've been a company we sort of best known for

1142
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:11,319
Speaker 14: the work we've done in design and physical effects in

1143
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 14: the movie industry, but over the years we've diversified increasingly,

1144
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 14: and about ten years ago when we did Scale of

1145
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 14: our War the Gallipoli Exhibition to Papa that it was

1146
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:23,279
Speaker 14: a bit of a crossroads for us in terms of

1147
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 14: moving into immersive experiences, and that's now taken us into

1148
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 14: museums and attractions and things around the world. We've been

1149
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 14: involved in these sort of projects in China and Europe

1150
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 14: and the Middle East. We've got a couple of live

1151
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 14: projects working through in the United Emirates and Dubai and

1152
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:44,439
Speaker 14: Abadubbi and Saudi Arabia is sort of the next step really,

1153
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 14: So the opportunities up here are significant. This country's changing

1154
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:51,279
Speaker 14: at a very great rate and looking for the kind

1155
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 14: of talents that we have, So it's yeah, it's a

1156
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 14: great opportunity.

1157
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 2: Is it the country or the region as well? When

1158
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:58,439
Speaker 2: I saw the region the Middle East generally.

1159
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 14: Yeah, I think it's the region. I mean said it

1160
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 14: was a sort of ua that brought us up here.

1161
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 14: We worked, we're very fortunate to work on one of

1162
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 14: the Dubai government's pavilions for the World Expo twenty twenty

1163
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 14: twenty twenty one. It was supposed to be twenty twenty

1164
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 14: and it was a twenty twenty one expo, But that

1165
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 14: was a great sort of opportunity for us, I guess,

1166
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 14: to sort of find our way into the Middle East

1167
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:23,479
Speaker 14: and start to see what the potential is up here.

1168
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:26,320
Speaker 2: What role does the country play, you know, Todd McLay

1169
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 2: Trade New Zealand selling us to the world.

1170
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:32,359
Speaker 14: I think that's for us. It's really you know, it's

1171
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:36,919
Speaker 14: really helpful, especially where relationships are such a massive part

1172
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 14: of how business is done here and so seeing that

1173
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 14: we're being supported and part of a business delegation of

1174
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:46,880
Speaker 14: a whole bunch of major New Zealand companies, it just

1175
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 14: sort of helps to shine your star. Not everybody up

1176
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:51,719
Speaker 14: here knows exactly who we are. Once we start to

1177
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:53,880
Speaker 14: explain our background of the history and the projects and

1178
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 14: the things we've worked on, it will kind of makes sense.

1179
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 14: But it just sort of helps, I think with the

1180
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:03,480
Speaker 14: overall brands for New Zealand, and you know, we obviously

1181
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 14: benefit from.

1182
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:06,720
Speaker 2: That fantastic David Wilkes, who's the whid to Work Shop

1183
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 2: co CEO out of Saudi Arabia for us this morning

1184
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:11,840
Speaker 2: for minute's away from Mate step on that climate change thing,

1185
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 2: I was on a moment ago. They had a poll

1186
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 2: out the other day in Australia. Funnily enough, the Climate

1187
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 2: Change Authority did a poll on whether they should support

1188
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 2: the goal or who supports the goal of reducing the

1189
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 2: nation's carbon emissions by it between sixty five and seventy

1190
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 2: five percent. By twenty thirty five, forty four percent said yes,

1191
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 2: So I mean less than half the country. I mean,

1192
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 2: most people don't know because they'm too busy getting on

1193
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 2: with life and they don't really care, rightly or wrongly.

1194
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:34,920
Speaker 2: You know, I'm dealing with reality here, not you know

1195
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 2: what we should and shouldn't do too completely different things

1196
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 2: as to what we actually do. Supercar Show. By the way,

1197
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 2: holidays coming up, school holidays coming up, and the supercar

1198
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 2: Show is on again. The reason they've done it this

1199
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:48,600
Speaker 2: particular weekend, this coming weekend is because of course the

1200
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 2: school holidays, you can maybe jump on a plane and

1201
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 2: grab a seat and all that sort of stuff, and

1202
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:54,479
Speaker 2: you can come in from outside of the Auckland area.

1203
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 2: This is guildtrap. Who do it. They've done it for

1204
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 2: a couple of years in a row, last couple of years,

1205
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 2: and it is the problem and the reason I'm telling

1206
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 2: you now, so move quickly. Supercar Show dot co dot INZ.

1207
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 2: If you and the kids love cars, they got over

1208
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 2: one hundred million dollars worth of them. They've got a

1209
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 2: couple of Valkyries as to Martin Valkyrie's and these are

1210
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:14,160
Speaker 2: cars that you will literally never see in the real world.

1211
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 2: You will never stand next to these cars. They are

1212
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 2: very rare, extremely exclusive, there's a sixty four Lamborghini four

1213
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 2: hundred GT, the only Ferrari SF ninety double X in

1214
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 2: the country. They've got Brendan's Toro Rosso Formula one car

1215
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:31,280
Speaker 2: twenty eighteen Formula one car. Very few people have seen

1216
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 2: a current, you know, right you stand right there. It's

1217
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 2: not like it's in behind glass or you know, one

1218
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 2: hundred meters away. You're standing right there looking at the car.

1219
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 2: You can smell and feel. It's incredible anyway. So if

1220
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 2: you're into cars, like most of us are these days,

1221
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 2: Supercar Show, all the money, by the way, goes to charity,

1222
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 2: so you can't argue with that. The Starship Charity, Supercar Show,

1223
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 2: Dot Cove, Dot in z Qi, Alan Davis, pusnixt, My Cards.

1224
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 1: Game in Safety, Ken Gamesing and Vitally on Mike Hosking

1225
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:08,000
Speaker 1: Breakfast with Range Rover Leading by Example, News togs Head

1226
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 1: Been well.

1227
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 2: Iver do Ellen Davies last on the program thirteen years ago.

1228
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 2: For goodness, take so a lot of water under that bridge.

1229
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:16,919
Speaker 2: Jonathan Creek Hugh I made in the household name. Of course,

1230
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:19,160
Speaker 2: the stand up started back in the eighties, so it's

1231
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 2: coming up forty years now. He's touring Australia later on

1232
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 2: this year, and we'll talk about that in his autobiography

1233
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 2: is just out called White Males. Stand Up. Ellen Davies back, Well,

1234
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:29,840
Speaker 2: this good morning, Good morning to you. My little bit

1235
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:33,960
Speaker 2: of housekeeping. First of all, I've studied extensively your Australian

1236
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 2: tour which is coming up. You realize we are in

1237
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 2: New Zealand, of course, and this will make sense eventually.

1238
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 2: So your Australian tour is very extensive, and I'm thinking

1239
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:43,440
Speaker 2: to myself, where are the New Zealand dates, and Allen,

1240
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 2: there are no New Zealand dates.

1241
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 10: The twenty twenty six it's going to be July and

1242
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:52,520
Speaker 10: August twenty twenty six on New Zealand tour.

1243
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:55,520
Speaker 2: Oh fantastic. So you're doing Australia for Christmas and then

1244
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 2: you're coming back again exactly that.

1245
00:59:58,280 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 7: I'm coming over again.

1246
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:01,960
Speaker 10: That done it. I couldn't do it all in one hit,

1247
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 10: and I didn't want to do half Australia and half

1248
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 10: of New Zealand. So it's a dedicated Kiwi time for

1249
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:12,200
Speaker 10: me in July and August.

1250
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 2: Fantastic. The stand up you're doing, it's well by the

1251
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:20,200
Speaker 2: time you get to Australia, and eventually us. It's well

1252
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 2: worked it's a good show that feels good. It's been

1253
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:24,520
Speaker 2: well received. Yeah.

1254
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:27,760
Speaker 10: I worked it out over the last year or two really,

1255
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:32,120
Speaker 10: but particularly recently at the Edinburgh Fringe Festival, and I.

1256
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 7: Had a couple of weeks there.

1257
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 10: I hadn't done a show there for ten years, and

1258
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 10: I'm going on tour in the UK started next week,

1259
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:44,000
Speaker 10: some dates in Australia and then next year New Zealand and.

1260
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:47,040
Speaker 7: More UK dates. So yeah, it worked out well.

1261
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:50,360
Speaker 10: It's up and running and much of it has been

1262
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:54,120
Speaker 10: functioning in comedy clubs for a while. But I tried

1263
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:56,360
Speaker 10: to make a more complete show out of it, and

1264
01:00:57,200 --> 01:00:58,440
Speaker 10: I appeared to have gone away with it.

1265
01:00:59,280 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 7: I've gone away with it.

1266
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:02,440
Speaker 2: Are you nervous? Do you get nervous, because I'll come

1267
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 2: to the other part of this, which is for a

1268
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:08,320
Speaker 2: stand up comedian, you take large gaps between shows, don't you.

1269
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 2: You've got so much else going on.

1270
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:12,640
Speaker 7: Yeah, I do get nervous.

1271
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:16,800
Speaker 10: And this show's more personal show, and so I'm dealing

1272
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:19,720
Speaker 10: with subjects that I hadn't really faced in the past,

1273
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:22,560
Speaker 10: and some things from my childhood that were difficult and

1274
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:25,840
Speaker 10: what have you. So I've tried. I wasn't sure how

1275
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:28,760
Speaker 10: that would work, but I found that provided you provide

1276
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:33,720
Speaker 10: enough laughs about erectile dysfunction, you can talk about almost

1277
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:36,480
Speaker 10: anything you want. And that has been my approach, and

1278
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:37,600
Speaker 10: so far, so good.

1279
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:40,960
Speaker 2: Has it got easier for you the more successful you've become.

1280
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:46,280
Speaker 10: Not really, it doesn't seem to affect that, except I

1281
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 10: think it helps with ticket sales if you have a

1282
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:51,640
Speaker 10: television profile, definitely. But the people who come now, they've

1283
01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:54,480
Speaker 10: got a lot of choice. There's a lot of comedians touring,

1284
01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:57,560
Speaker 10: and there are comedians with much higher TV profiles than

1285
01:01:57,640 --> 01:02:00,400
Speaker 10: me these days. But my audience are loyal and they're

1286
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:03,320
Speaker 10: aging with me. And recently I had a show where

1287
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:06,400
Speaker 10: someone's phone alarm went off in the handbag and row

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Speaker 10: to and this gray haired woman was rummaging around and

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Speaker 10: everyone went quiet, and I said, is that to remind

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Speaker 10: you to take your medication? And she said yes, and

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Speaker 10: there was the biggest laugh of the night. And then

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Speaker 10: we had to wait for her to find her pills.

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Speaker 10: That took longer than finding the phone, but the audience

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Speaker 10: agreed with me, she's got to take them. You've got

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Speaker 10: to take them otherwise you'll forget and then tomorrow you

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Speaker 10: can't have a double dose, so you know, humor changes.

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Speaker 7: That's what I find.

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Speaker 2: I was reading your book and what I like, what

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Speaker 2: I what I sort of didn't realize, having followed you

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Speaker 2: for years. What I didn't realize is just how much

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Speaker 2: work you've done. You know, suddenly I'm reading a chapter

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Speaker 2: You're lying on a bit of nails in New York,

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Speaker 2: and I thought, what the hell is this about? All

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Speaker 2: the amount of work you've done is extraordinary.

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Speaker 10: Well it's been over a long time. I mean the

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Speaker 10: book it's called White Male Stand Up, which is what

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Speaker 10: I started out as, just the stand up comic, and

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Speaker 10: I did that for my very happy years in the

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Speaker 10: late eighties early nineties, and from there opportunities started to

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Speaker 10: come because I always wanted to act, so I got

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Speaker 10: the chance to audition for Jonathan Creek.

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Speaker 7: I got the chance to do panel games, and.

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Speaker 10: Then various The bed of Nails thing was a documentary

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Speaker 10: about HOUDINEI that came out of the blue. I did

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Speaker 10: another documentary about John Lennon. I got to go to

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Speaker 10: New York. So sometimes things come along and you can't

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Speaker 10: believe your luck, you know, but it's spread out, it's

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Speaker 10: spread out over a number of years. What I found

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Speaker 10: in my in my career is normally there's five things

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Speaker 10: going on at once or nothing.

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Speaker 2: Listen, hold on, Mike will come back and talk some

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Speaker 2: more in a moment, Ellen Davies. The book is White

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Speaker 2: Male Stand Up. It is eleven past eight.

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Speaker 1: The Mike Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on Iheard Radio

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Speaker 1: powered by News Talks.

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Speaker 2: It be right quarter past Ellen Davies with us who's

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Speaker 2: coming heroes? He's announced their July and August of next year.

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Speaker 2: The book is White Males Stand Up.

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Speaker 13: Now.

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Speaker 2: Now the reference you reference difficult times in your life now,

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Speaker 2: if you haven't read your book, it's more than that,

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Speaker 2: isn't it? The abuse of your father? I mean it's

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Speaker 2: a very serious business. And and the obvious question is

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Speaker 2: how do you put that into a show and make

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Speaker 2: people up? I mean, how do you do that?

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Speaker 10: Well, it's not easy. I mean I was abused by

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Speaker 10: my father as a child, and I talk about that

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Speaker 10: in my stand up showing. And I had to say

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Speaker 10: to the audience. And you might find that this subject

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Speaker 10: matter uncomfortable, and you may feel like you're less an

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Speaker 10: audience and more in a hostage situation. Now, But we

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Speaker 10: are in this area and we're going to talk about

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Speaker 10: it because I know a lot of you have had

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Speaker 10: the same experience. And that's my feeling is if generally

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Speaker 10: my oh, my comedy career, I thought, well, if it's

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Speaker 10: happened to me or I'm thinking of it, it's happened

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Speaker 10: to a lot of.

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Speaker 7: The audience as well. Well.

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Speaker 10: That's certainly the case with bereathement and childhood trauma and

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Speaker 10: difficult things. So if I talk about some of the

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Speaker 10: other know about this, I think, if I'm a cake

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Speaker 10: then and I'm putting the cake on stage, it's a

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Speaker 10: bit more decorated on stage, but I don't want to

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Speaker 10: leave out loads of the ingredients.

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Speaker 7: I want it to be who I am, and and

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Speaker 7: that's been a.

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Speaker 10: Long journey to get to that, because that certainly wasn't

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Speaker 10: what I was doing in my twenties. I was without

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Speaker 10: and out people pleaser and I was pretty good at

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Speaker 10: I was funny, but it was very superficial.

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Speaker 2: Does your cultural standing in Britain make you or did

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Speaker 2: it make you feel more comfortable to go there and

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Speaker 2: talk so publicly about it.

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Speaker 16: No?

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Speaker 2: Not really, it was so in you you think you

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Speaker 2: would have done it. No, matter how successful you had

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Speaker 2: or had not been.

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Speaker 7: I think it took me a long time.

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Speaker 10: And I think it's quite common for men and boys

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Speaker 10: to be assaulted or abused or to have some issue

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Speaker 10: up there surprisingly so, and it's very common for men

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Speaker 10: to hang on to these stories for on average twenty

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Speaker 10: five years. It's not uncommon for men in their forties

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Speaker 10: and fifties to tell a loved one or a friend

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Speaker 10: or a therapist or someone does something happened to me

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Speaker 10: when I was a child, And I've never told anyone,

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Speaker 10: And I think that that was how I how I felt,

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Speaker 10: and I really wanted to get it out of my

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Speaker 10: head and onto the page. And that's when I wrote

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Speaker 10: my book, Just Ignore Him. And the new book is

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Speaker 10: a follow on. Really, it's kind of part two to

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Speaker 10: that book.

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Speaker 7: It takes me.

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Speaker 10: Because I imagined for years that the past is behind

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Speaker 10: you and the futures in front right. You're you're going

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Speaker 10: somewhere else in life, and you're leaving things behind. And

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Speaker 10: it takes a while to realize that isn't that, that

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Speaker 10: isn't the case. You're just you're it goes with you

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Speaker 10: and you've got to face things eventually, and it's good

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Speaker 10: to talk.

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Speaker 7: So that's it took me a while, and it took

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Speaker 7: me a while. I didn't even know.

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Speaker 10: Actually I did a writing course, a creative writing course,

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Speaker 10: and I thought I was going to I started to

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Speaker 10: write about it there, and I thought it would stay

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Speaker 10: on the course. I thought i'd get it out of

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Speaker 10: me and i'd get to a master's degree, which I

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Speaker 10: was very proud of, and that would be it. And

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Speaker 10: then I thought, actually, I'm onto something. I started to

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Speaker 10: write some chapters and it became a.

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Speaker 2: Book later because on the writer's course, you were submitting

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Speaker 2: your work anonymously, right.

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Speaker 7: Initially, Yeah, exactly that.

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Speaker 10: And even then, even I was fifty years old and

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Speaker 10: I was worried about revealing my story about my father.

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Speaker 10: So and I've certainly never talked about it in stand up,

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Speaker 10: but I found a way to incorporate it in the show.

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Speaker 7: I found a way to take the.

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Speaker 10: Audience there for a little bit, bring them back, keep

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Speaker 10: the laughs going, but give a fuller picture of a

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Speaker 10: person's life.

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Speaker 2: You know, I can't quite just help us out the drinking,

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Speaker 2: and I don't want to turn this into a therapy session,

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Speaker 2: but the drinking, the difficulties with your marriage was that

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Speaker 2: about fame or what had happened previously, or a combination

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Speaker 2: of everything.

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Speaker 10: I think a combination of everything. But I certainly think

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Speaker 10: that I used drinking to cope with stress and anxiety

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Speaker 10: at times. And again it's a very common experience that

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Speaker 10: people can relate to. And I think if you have

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Speaker 10: a press in need to have a drink, it's probably

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Speaker 10: the time to not have one, you know. So nowadays

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Speaker 10: I'm able to manage things much better and periods of

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Speaker 10: abstinence and managing how much and when, But it's still

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Speaker 10: always there, and it's an addictive substance.

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Speaker 18: You know.

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Speaker 10: So, But I think when I look back, I think,

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Speaker 10: or when did that kick in? It kicked him when

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Speaker 10: I was becoming very recognizable. There was a period in

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Speaker 10: the late nineties where I was very recognizable to a

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Speaker 10: lot of people, and that really wasn't ready for that

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Speaker 10: at all.

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Speaker 7: Now there's no kind of training course for that part.

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Speaker 2: It's a funny thing, isn't it, Because you one of

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Speaker 2: the funniest stories is that you were amazed when you

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Speaker 2: were starting in the eighties how many white blokes were

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Speaker 2: out there in Britain looking to grab a microphone as

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Speaker 2: all the comedy clubs opened up, and what's that about?

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Speaker 2: What is that an ego?

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Speaker 15: Thing?

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Speaker 6: Is that?

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Speaker 15: You know?

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Speaker 2: How come there are so many poems who just want

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Speaker 2: to stand on a stage and try and be funny.

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Speaker 7: I don't know. I don't know.

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Speaker 10: And I My wife's very funny about this because when

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Speaker 10: she frequently she didn't know I was a comedian.

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Speaker 7: When we met, she was come to a QI recording.

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Speaker 7: And then when I went back to stand up.

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Speaker 10: We've been together six years and I went back to

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Speaker 10: stand up, and she came to see a show, which

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Speaker 10: fortunately she found very funny. And then she said, she's

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Speaker 10: actually quite disappointed that I hadn't revealed this side of

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Speaker 10: myself before. Might have been nice around the house to

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Speaker 10: have some of this sense of humor that you seem

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Speaker 10: to be keeping under a bushel. But she sometimes you

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Speaker 10: go to a comedy club and a couple of blokes

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Speaker 10: are going up and they're not funny, and she'll.

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Speaker 7: Sit next to me go, why why they why do

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Speaker 7: they get up? Who's told them they're funny? Who's given

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Speaker 7: them the wrong idea? So that can happen. I also

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Speaker 7: think I.

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Speaker 10: Think it's more common nowadays on YouTube channels just hundreds

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Speaker 10: and hundreds of these blokes yelling into their computers and

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Speaker 10: their content is of no interest.

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Speaker 7: Please stop posting.

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Speaker 2: It all worked out okay for you? Are you at

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Speaker 2: peace now in terms of just the you know, the fame,

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Speaker 2: the whole, the whole thing. It's out there. You've talked,

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Speaker 2: you're funny, you're successful. It's all cream on the cake time.

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Speaker 7: And I think it's just that you're never quite right somehow.

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Speaker 7: You've had such difficult childhood stuff. It's just it's just

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Speaker 7: there all the time.

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Speaker 10: So but I mean, I would say, as a generally,

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Speaker 10: I would say yes, because I'm very I'm very happy

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Speaker 10: in the family that I've found for myself with Katie

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Speaker 10: and the kids.

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Speaker 7: I don't know how happy they are. But that's a

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Speaker 7: different interview for you. That we enjoy it, we enjoy it.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's good. How do the kids say, I mean,

1481
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Speaker 2: how much of the kids know in public profile or

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Speaker 2: you know? What do you tell them?

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Speaker 10: I think they've got I've got fifteen and fourteen, and

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Speaker 10: they've certainly, as they say, searched me up. And but

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Speaker 10: I haven't showing them my books. Yeah, my daughter's sixteen

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Speaker 10: in December. She's pretty smart. And she she's got an

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Speaker 10: idea and she and I think Katie spoke to her

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Speaker 10: a bit. But then they're not ready yet to read

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Speaker 10: this stuff. But it's partly for them that I've written

1490
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Speaker 10: these books. You know, there's a it's a story of

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Speaker 10: who I am and where I've come from and what

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Speaker 10: I've done and when I'm sort of craggy and need

1493
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Speaker 10: to be shoved around in a chair. God willing, I'll

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Speaker 10: get to that point.

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Speaker 7: I would have forgotten it all and they'll be able

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Speaker 7: to say it. Send your book. Send your book, you

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Speaker 7: silly old fool.

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Speaker 2: Listen, you have a great it's a great book. And

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Speaker 2: congratulations on I have a great tour of Australia. And

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Speaker 2: I'm glad, apart from anything, we got the news that

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Speaker 2: you're coming to New Zealand. So we'll look forward to

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Speaker 2: talking to you. They see you in person next year. Fantastic,

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01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:52,599
Speaker 2: All right, go well, Ellen David's White Male Stand Up

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Speaker 2: and coming to July August next year.

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Speaker 3: Twenty three The Mike Hosking Breakfast with Rainthrow and News

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Speaker 3: Tog's Dead.

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Speaker 2: B Have any deeds on the tickets for Ellen's show?

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Speaker 13: No.

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Speaker 2: I think he announced it as in like We've got

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Speaker 2: a bit of a scoop on that one because there

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Speaker 2: is no announcement yet and he is in Australia, and

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Speaker 2: so they'll wait until next year February March before we

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Speaker 2: get any details. But when we do, we'll let you know. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: announcement from the government this morning, I don't know how

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Speaker 2: much it means in terms of reality, but they're beefing

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Speaker 2: up the Commerce Act. They're going to be stopping unfair

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Speaker 2: tactics like creeping acquisitions and predatory pricing. Their argument. They

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Speaker 2: had an independent review. It found the Comments Commissions outgrowing

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Speaker 2: its current structure. They'll gain stronger tools, the ability to

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Speaker 2: pause or call in risky mergers before they're completed, Clearer

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Speaker 2: merger rules to give businesses, certainly, while keeping markets fair,

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Speaker 2: Stronger better structured Commerce Commission meaning faster, more transparent decisions. Certainly,

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Speaker 2: the pace could improve. There's no question about that. Streamlined

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Speaker 2: approval for beneficial collaboration, making it easier for businesses to

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Speaker 2: work together when it helps the public, Allowing businesses to

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Speaker 2: voluntarily undertake to limit market power as part of a

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Speaker 2: merger application, all that sort of stuff. I don't know

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Speaker 2: how much of that's theory versus reality. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 2: Nicholas stands on things like supermarkets and banks, and she's

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Speaker 2: certainly done a lot of jaw boning of it, but

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Speaker 2: not a lot's actually happened. So whether this materially changes

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Speaker 2: the landscape, I don't know. I tell you what Starmer

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Speaker 2: Mendelssohn reform. It's all going Britain this morning. There's a

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Speaker 2: lot going on in that part of the world. Rod

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Speaker 2: Little is with us directly after the News, which is next.

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Speaker 2: This is Tuesday Morning on the Mike hosting Breakfast to

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Speaker 2: Place that caught my eye. There's all the favorites, like

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Speaker 2: Malta had a very good program in terms of visas.

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Speaker 2: You had to give them comparatively speaking, not a lot

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Speaker 2: of money, and you had to have a job internationally,

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Speaker 2: not locally, but internationally, and then you had to spend

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Speaker 2: I think two or three weeks there a year and

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Speaker 2: that was about it, and they'd give you sort of

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Speaker 2: the highest quality of life. Now you don't think about

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Speaker 2: Mauritius at all, far less the quality of life, but

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Speaker 2: it's got the highest quality of life's standards in the ranking.

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Speaker 2: So if you if you value quality of life, Mauritius

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Speaker 2: as you placed in retire twenty three minutes away from nine.

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Speaker 17: International correspondence with ends in eye insurance, peace of mind

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Speaker 17: for New Zealand business.

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Speaker 2: That much going on. Going to get to the UK

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Speaker 2: rod morning to you, Good morning to you, Mike, how

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Speaker 2: i'd lead? Does Mandelssohn need to get before Starmer's in serious,

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Speaker 2: serious trouble.

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Speaker 6: I think he's in serious, serious trouble now, to tell

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Speaker 6: you the truth, we already know that the bad stuff

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Speaker 6: was known by Sir Kirstala well he was appointed, and

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Speaker 6: everyone on the labor benches knows this, and the country

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01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:07,360
Speaker 6: knows this. So it was clearly an act of incredible

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Speaker 6: stupidity on the part of Skeir Starmatur to appoint him

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Speaker 6: in the first place. And don't forget, as I said

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Speaker 6: last week where we were talking about Mangelson, the civil

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Speaker 6: service is very anxious to point out that this was

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Speaker 6: a prime ministerial appointment and nothing to do with them.

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Speaker 6: So it's very, very bad. And you know, I've been

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Speaker 6: talking to labor MPs but also to a quite a

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01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:33,519
Speaker 6: few people who observe the labor MPs, and they say

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01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:37,040
Speaker 6: they've never known a government in this much trouble.

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Speaker 2: The interesting thing I'm reading out over the weekend is

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Speaker 2: that there are people within his own party now who

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Speaker 2: quote unquote he doesn't seem to be up to the job.

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Speaker 2: Are they many of them within the party? And does

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Speaker 2: that make it even worse? And Andy Burnham I also

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01:15:51,720 --> 01:15:54,519
Speaker 2: read over the week in the Manchester Mayor he seems

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Speaker 2: to be warming up some sort of act as some

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Speaker 2: kind of challenge. So what can you tell us about that?

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Speaker 6: Well, he definitely is doing that, there's no question about it.

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Speaker 6: He's been far more prevalent on the national news than

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Speaker 6: he had been previously. He's a formidable figure. The first

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Speaker 6: test of Andy Burnham's credibility will come in the Deputy

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Speaker 6: Prime Minister Deputy Leader of the Labor Party race. If

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Speaker 6: Lucy Powell wins, then that's a big vote for Burnham. Yes,

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Speaker 6: I think you know, if you ask the Labor Party generally,

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Speaker 6: I think probably a majority of them would say that

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Speaker 6: Skirstana Go wasn't up to it. But the troublers who do,

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Speaker 6: they're replace him.

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Speaker 14: Wit.

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Speaker 6: It is very difficult. What about Andy Burnham. Andy Burnham

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Speaker 6: needs to win a seat in order to get into

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Speaker 6: the House of Commons, and any seat in the North

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Speaker 6: of England he runs for Reform would win. So it's

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Speaker 6: not as clear cup for Andy as he may think.

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Speaker 2: You mentioned the deputy leaders John Bridget v Lucy could

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Speaker 2: you call it at this point? And we literally have

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Speaker 2: no idea.

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Speaker 6: We don't have any idea. And I think you mentioned

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Speaker 6: it last week and I went for Bridget Phillipson. I

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Speaker 6: think that has changed. I think such as a disaffection

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Speaker 6: with Sekir Starmer, that Lucy Powell may win.

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Speaker 2: It interesting all right? Now, then I've read also this

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Speaker 2: Tommy Robinson March, which we saw there was anywhere from

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Speaker 2: one hundred thousand to three million people. Did you count them?

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Speaker 6: No, I didn't. But it was remarkable that on the

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Speaker 6: day of the march, some people were saying there's only

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Speaker 6: ten thousand. Others were saying there's a million, So let's

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Speaker 6: go with the police figure one hundred and fifty sous

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Speaker 6: Quite a lot of people, you know, that is quite

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Speaker 6: a substantial march. There were a few arrests. What's it done.

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Speaker 6: It's kind of it's a double edged sword for those

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Speaker 6: people who are arguing against more immigration and to clamp

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Speaker 6: down on assylum see because because it does clamp them

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Speaker 6: firm beyond the right, you know. And that's always been

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Speaker 6: the problem and Tommy Robinson, even Nigel Farage won't have

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Speaker 6: anything to do with him, and it was Robinson who

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Speaker 6: organized march. It's also caused transatlantic problems in that Elon

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Speaker 6: Musk addressed the march and said you've got to rise up,

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Speaker 6: You've got to rise up, which is at the very

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Speaker 6: least very rude.

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Speaker 2: The interesting thing about it is, I can't remember who

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Speaker 2: the government rolled out over the weekend for the weekend broadcast,

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Speaker 2: but even he was saying that it taps into what

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Speaker 2: is clearly a very very widespread discontent in the country.

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Speaker 6: Yes, I think that's right. The person they usually wheel

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01:18:43,680 --> 01:18:50,200
Speaker 6: out is Peter Kyle. That's the guy. Yes, he is

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01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:52,800
Speaker 6: the Minister for Newsnight as he used to be called.

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Speaker 6: No one is happy that. The thinking of the moment

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01:18:56,400 --> 01:19:01,080
Speaker 6: now is that Starmer will be gone by May, and

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Speaker 6: so that leaves a question open as to who comes in.

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01:19:05,479 --> 01:19:08,599
Speaker 6: You can see the labor MPs thinking, well, look, things

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01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:12,559
Speaker 6: cannot get any worse, and maybe we'll get a dead

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01:19:12,680 --> 01:19:16,000
Speaker 6: cat bounce from a new leader and will be all right.

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Speaker 6: But it remains to be seen who that new leader

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Speaker 6: might be. They are in all sorts of trouble and

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Speaker 6: there is no clear route out of it for them.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of reform, Denny Krueger, so correct me if I'm wrong.

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Speaker 2: I think he's the sitting tory to bail so that

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Speaker 2: the numbers, Yeah, the numbers are there, but I mean

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Speaker 2: he's said, I mean how much. When does the stop

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Speaker 2: or does it not stop?

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Speaker 6: It doesn't stop, it doesn't stop. My suspicion is and

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01:19:43,840 --> 01:19:48,200
Speaker 6: more than a suspicion, I think I know that reform

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01:19:48,360 --> 01:19:54,600
Speaker 6: have a good twenty or thirty defectees. They're ready to

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01:19:55,840 --> 01:20:01,000
Speaker 6: announce before important events. You know, there'll be bigger names

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Speaker 6: even than Danny Krueger, And Danny Krueger is a pretty

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Speaker 6: big name, I have to say. He is a substantial

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Speaker 6: figure with a good ideological background which takes him towards

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Speaker 6: blue labor. Really, he's always been considered a communitarian and

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01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:21,040
Speaker 6: he's jumped ship and that is terrible, terrible news for

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Speaker 6: Kenny bet Enough, all right, we'll.

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Speaker 2: Catch up on Thursday. Rod appreciate it very much, or

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Speaker 2: a little out of Britain, by the way, they are

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01:20:26,240 --> 01:20:29,080
Speaker 2: one in, one out thing with France's due to start

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Speaker 2: this week, although they are saying that there will be

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01:20:31,120 --> 01:20:33,519
Speaker 2: some sort of last minute legal challenge from lawyers trying

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01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:36,360
Speaker 2: to block that actually happening. But that was announced, if

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Speaker 2: you can believe it, in July, and still to this day,

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01:20:39,280 --> 01:20:42,439
Speaker 2: not a September, not a single person has been swap

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Speaker 2: with France. The other thing that's happening is Trump tomorrow

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Speaker 2: arrives in the UK for the visit, the first of

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Speaker 2: a couple of days. He arrives Tuesday at their time

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01:20:50,760 --> 01:20:54,400
Speaker 2: and leaves on Thursday. And they announced yesterday a big

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Speaker 2: landmark deal on strengthening Britain's energy security, a golden age

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Speaker 2: of nuclear forefront of global innovation. The Atlantic Partnership for

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Speaker 2: Advanced Nuclear Energy going to make it quicker for companies

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Speaker 2: to build new nuclear power stations. Our references briefly earlier

1678
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Speaker 2: on the program. Honestly, we're missing the boat so badly.

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Speaker 2: It's embarrassing for a country that doesn't have any energy.

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Speaker 2: I es sure to burning a bit of coal. You

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Speaker 2: think we would have got a lot further down the

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Speaker 2: track than we have. Proposal by the US nuclear group

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Speaker 2: x Energy and UK Energy Centrica to build twelve advanced

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Speaker 2: modular nuclear reactors in Hartlepool, potential to power one and

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Speaker 2: a half million homes, create two and a half thousand jobs.

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01:21:36,040 --> 01:21:38,240
Speaker 2: The broader program could be worth up to forty billion

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Speaker 2: pounds twelve billion focused on the northeast of England. Then

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Speaker 2: there was last energy in dp world micromodular reactor at

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Speaker 2: London Gateway Port. That's eighty million and private investment their

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01:21:48,320 --> 01:21:51,920
Speaker 2: whole tech EDF and Tritax. They're planning to repurpose the

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Speaker 2: former coal fired plants at Cottam, Northamptonshire, into a nuclear

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Speaker 2: powered data center hub. That's eleven billion pounds worth a

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Speaker 2: bus and so they're getting on with it. Eight forty five.

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Speaker 1: The Like Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered

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Speaker 2: At be Before I forget, there was a very good piece.

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Speaker 2: I can't remember if it was yesterday or the day

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Speaker 2: before in the Sydney Morning Herald, Nick Bryant Our Old

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Speaker 2: make Nick Bryant has written about Faraja Farrage style quake rock.

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Speaker 2: Could it rock Australia. I won't tell you what he concludes,

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01:22:27,960 --> 01:22:30,680
Speaker 2: but they won. He goes through the reform story and

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Speaker 2: they won six hundred and seventy seven local council seats,

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Speaker 2: forty one percent of those up for grabs. So it

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Speaker 2: was an extraordinary story. And whether or not Britain is

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01:22:40,280 --> 01:22:42,519
Speaker 2: not that far removed from Australia and whether something like

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Speaker 2: that could come along, I just don't see the discontent,

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01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:46,800
Speaker 2: the level of discontent in Australia that you have in Britain.

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01:22:46,840 --> 01:22:49,400
Speaker 2: Britain is a deeply troubled place and I know that

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01:22:49,520 --> 01:22:52,000
Speaker 2: from experience of people. I know He's spent chunk of

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Speaker 2: a chunk of the year on that particular part of

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01:22:54,080 --> 01:22:56,840
Speaker 2: the world and maybe just they are pretty much gobsmacked

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Speaker 2: what has happened to Britain in the last couple of years.

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Speaker 2: Mike watching America's team on Netflix warming up for the

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Speaker 2: NFL season.

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Speaker 16: This was it.

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Speaker 2: This time. I was telling you the Eagles could could

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01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:08,559
Speaker 2: lose to the Kansas City Chiefs, and they didn't. Of course,

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01:23:08,840 --> 01:23:10,840
Speaker 2: so the Kansas City Chiefs and this sort of I

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01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:13,200
Speaker 2: became fascinated because we went into that, you know, big

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01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:15,679
Speaker 2: ball of banngst over the weekend in the All Blacks,

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01:23:16,280 --> 01:23:19,800
Speaker 2: the Kansas City Chiefs Super Bowl champions. They lost again,

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01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:22,360
Speaker 2: so there's zero for two. So I'm sure in local

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01:23:22,479 --> 01:23:25,360
Speaker 2: Kansas ZB talk there will be people, Oh, let's sack

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01:23:25,479 --> 01:23:29,000
Speaker 2: my homes. That Andy Loser, the coach, what does he know?

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01:23:29,240 --> 01:23:32,080
Speaker 2: Travis Kelsey soon as he met that girl, you can't

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Speaker 2: catch the ball anymore. Let's sack them all.

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Speaker 5: We're going to start doing stupid defensive box kicks.

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Speaker 2: Exactly when are they talking about? Yeah, the box kicks

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01:23:41,960 --> 01:23:44,760
Speaker 2: are killing us in Kansas, so you know. Anyway, So

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Speaker 2: where was I American team on Netflix? You have to

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Speaker 2: handle them. They do sport stories, but yeah, they do

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Speaker 2: sunderland until I die is still the greatest. I'm not

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01:23:51,800 --> 01:23:54,479
Speaker 2: sure i'd agree with you, Sunderland ntil I die. I

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01:23:54,640 --> 01:23:58,320
Speaker 2: became momentarily engrossed, and until I wasn't I thought it

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01:23:58,400 --> 01:24:01,360
Speaker 2: was interesting until I sort of lost interest. But Built

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Speaker 2: in Boomingham might still recommend that's the Tom Brady. It's

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01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:05,840
Speaker 2: not really about Brady, but he owns the team. Builton

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Speaker 2: Boomingham that it doesn't last too long. It's about four

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01:24:08,160 --> 01:24:11,040
Speaker 2: or five episodes long. It deals with last season. It's

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01:24:11,080 --> 01:24:13,320
Speaker 2: a good story, it's uplifting. It tells you how to

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01:24:13,400 --> 01:24:16,439
Speaker 2: run a team properly. It shows you winners, you know,

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01:24:16,600 --> 01:24:18,920
Speaker 2: leading winners, and it's well worth watching. As far as

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01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:21,120
Speaker 2: I could tell. It is nine minutes away from mine.

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Speaker 3: The Mic Hosking Breakfast with Bailey's real Estate News.

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Speaker 2: Dogs Dead be just for those of you who are

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01:24:27,680 --> 01:24:31,320
Speaker 2: texting me saying the Chiefs are not the reigning champions.

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01:24:31,320 --> 01:24:34,160
Speaker 2: They didn't say they were super Chiefs are Super Bowl champions.

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01:24:34,200 --> 01:24:36,240
Speaker 2: They won a Super Bowl a number of times. If

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01:24:36,320 --> 01:24:38,519
Speaker 2: you're the reigning champion, you're the car. I didn't say

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01:24:38,520 --> 01:24:40,599
Speaker 2: you were the reigning champion. They're just super Bowl champions.

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01:24:41,800 --> 01:24:45,479
Speaker 2: Trump is announcing. Can I be just moderately controversial just

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01:24:45,479 --> 01:24:47,000
Speaker 2: before I leave you for the day. So this whole

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01:24:47,080 --> 01:24:49,920
Speaker 2: he's announcing the National Guard rolling into Memphis. So I

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01:24:50,040 --> 01:24:52,360
Speaker 2: don't know what's happened to Chicago. It was supposed to

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01:24:52,400 --> 01:24:55,599
Speaker 2: be Chicago, then he got fixated on Memphis started in DC.

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Speaker 2: So the thing about DC and the National Guard is

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01:24:58,800 --> 01:25:03,600
Speaker 2: that no one argues, even the moderates who didn't like

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01:25:03,680 --> 01:25:06,439
Speaker 2: what he was doing. Even the moderates knew full well

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01:25:07,360 --> 01:25:11,360
Speaker 2: that like most large American cities, there is a crime problem,

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01:25:12,320 --> 01:25:15,040
Speaker 2: and therefore it stands to reason that if you stick

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01:25:15,080 --> 01:25:17,840
Speaker 2: the National Guard on most corners, that crime problem is

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01:25:17,880 --> 01:25:20,080
Speaker 2: going to be at least in part solved. And I

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01:25:20,160 --> 01:25:22,479
Speaker 2: would have thought it stands to reason that you'll feel

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01:25:22,479 --> 01:25:24,479
Speaker 2: a little bit safer on the streets. And I'd cite

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Speaker 2: downtown Auckland. If you stuck the military on the corner

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Speaker 2: of downtown Auckland and had them standing there looking for crime,

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Speaker 2: you would feel better about going downtown Auckland on a

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Speaker 2: Friday night, wouldn't you. I don't go downtown Auckland on

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01:25:36,040 --> 01:25:38,479
Speaker 2: a Friday night for really obvious reasons, and most people

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01:25:38,600 --> 01:25:40,720
Speaker 2: feel the same. If you stuck the military there, you

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01:25:40,760 --> 01:25:43,599
Speaker 2: would feel differently. So for all of the people who

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01:25:43,680 --> 01:25:44,960
Speaker 2: might want to argue that what he's doing is a

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Speaker 2: bit insane, which it is, it nevertheless has an element

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Speaker 2: of effectiveness about it.

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Speaker 22: Also, the way that they police in DC is a

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Speaker 22: bit different to how they do it and the rest

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Speaker 22: of the country. Anyway, there is a certain amount already

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01:25:58,720 --> 01:26:03,720
Speaker 22: of fed were all input into that law keeping in

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01:26:03,800 --> 01:26:06,160
Speaker 22: that particular city, which is different everywhere else.

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Speaker 2: Indeed, so Memphis is next, and there is no question

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Speaker 2: that Memphis, Tennessee has shocking crime rate, and so you

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Speaker 2: would think if something could be done about a shocking

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Speaker 2: crime rate, good on them. Five minutes away from.

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Speaker 1: Nine trending now with the chemist warehouse are praised by

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Speaker 1: the would sail on now.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of which a couple of weeks ago he as

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Speaker 2: in need, had people do it for him. He didn't

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01:26:30,840 --> 01:26:32,960
Speaker 2: do it literally himself. But Trump blew up that boat

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Speaker 2: heading from Venezuela towards the United States, and he was

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Speaker 2: saying they were part of the gang, and Venezuela said no,

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Speaker 2: there were no gang members there.

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Speaker 3: So it was a.

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Speaker 2: Speeding boat with drugs on board. None of them were

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01:26:43,720 --> 01:26:46,960
Speaker 2: gang members. They were Christian missionaries, and they were going

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01:26:47,000 --> 01:26:49,680
Speaker 2: to spread the good word in America. Apparently. Anyway, that

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01:26:49,800 --> 01:26:51,320
Speaker 2: was put to Trump when he made this claim.

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Speaker 10: What's illegal of the drugs that are on the boat

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Speaker 10: and the drugs that are being sent into our country

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Speaker 10: and the fact that three hundred million people died last

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Speaker 10: year from drugs.

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Speaker 6: That's what's allego.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, there's a problem with the number there, the

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Speaker 2: three hundred million people, because of course the population of

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Speaker 2: America is about three twenty three thirty million, So not

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Speaker 2: everyone in America's died of drug overdose in the last year.

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Speaker 2: I think we can all agree with that. Seventy nine

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Speaker 2: thousand people in fact died last year of drug overdoses

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Speaker 2: in America. Seventy nine thousand, which is far too many,

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01:27:15,640 --> 01:27:19,080
Speaker 2: but it's certainly not three hundred million. No full year stats,

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Speaker 2: by the way, for the world on drug overdoses for

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Speaker 2: last year, But in the last ten years the most

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Speaker 2: death from drug overdoses was twenty nineteen, six hundred thousand

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Speaker 2: people died around the world six hundred thousand people twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 2: Two hundred and ninety two million people worldwide apparently took

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Speaker 2: drugs last year. Interesting number two hudred ninety two million.

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Speaker 2: It's not that many, is it when you think about it.

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Speaker 2: In a population of eight billion, ten percent of eight

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Speaker 2: billions eight hundred million, half of that is four hundred million,

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Speaker 2: So you're down to what three four percent of the

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Speaker 2: population global population. Don't you just took drugs? So ninety

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Speaker 2: five ninety six percent of people don't take drugs anyway.

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Speaker 2: Fifteen minutes ago, he's ordered a second strike off on

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Speaker 2: a positively identified extraordinarily violent drug trafficking cartel and Naco

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Speaker 2: terrorists that's also been off the coast of Benis.

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Speaker 5: If you really start riding out on the side of

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Speaker 5: their boats.

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Speaker 2: They should do to killed three people this time around.

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Speaker 2: But as I said at the time, the first time round,

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Speaker 2: you know you can go, oh it's illegal, is it?

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Speaker 2: Where's your lawyer and where's the court that's going to

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Speaker 2: stop them doing it? And there isn't one obviously. Back

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Speaker 2: tomorrow morning from six as always, tell.

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