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Speaker 1: And senior political correspondent for News doorks he'd beams to

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Speaker 1: Barry Sobers in the house. Good afternoon, afternoon, Jack, you've

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Speaker 1: been watching the Deep debate?

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Speaker 2: Well, probably not as much as you have, Jack, You've

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Speaker 2: got more time on your hands. I sort of watched

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Speaker 2: it on and off. I've got to say all afternoon.

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Speaker 2: Probably in fairness that you did as well. But there

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Speaker 2: were a couple of points that I really found quite interesting.

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Speaker 2: One was the argument over natural gas and how they

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Speaker 2: have to produce more petty. That message doesn't get through

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Speaker 2: to a few of our politicians in this country. And

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Speaker 2: Waltz claimed that Trump asked oil company executives to marro

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Speaker 2: Lago to ask them for campaign money. I know whether

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Speaker 2: there's a lot of truth in that. But nevertheless, much

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Speaker 2: was made of Vance's opposition to Trump's presidency, and that

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Speaker 2: is a great debating point because certainly Vance, before he

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Speaker 2: became the running mate of Donald Trump, was very critical

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Speaker 2: of Donald Trump. It'sizing how things can change. But I've

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Speaker 2: got to say the Minnesota Governor Tim Woltz seems to

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Speaker 2: have a constant frown, which makes him appear something of

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Speaker 2: an angry man. On the book The Ohio Senator J. D.

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Speaker 2: Vans says, it's like Donald Trump. He says it like

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump should say it without the verbal diarrhea. Here

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Speaker 2: and they both are. Here's Wolf's first, followed by Varnes.

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Speaker 3: It's those that were closest to Donald Trump that understand

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Speaker 3: how dangerous he is. When the world is this dangerous.

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Speaker 3: His chief of staff John Kelly said that he was

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Speaker 3: the most flawed human being you'd ever met, and both

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Speaker 3: of his secretaries of Defense and his national security advisors

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Speaker 3: said he should be nowhere near the White House now.

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Speaker 3: The person closest to them to the Donald Trump said

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Speaker 3: he's unfit for the highest office. That was Senator of Vance.

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump recognized that for people to fear the United States,

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Speaker 4: you needed peace through strength. They needed to recognize that

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Speaker 4: if they got out of line, the United States global

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Speaker 4: leadership would put stability and peace back in the world.

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Speaker 4: It is up to Israel what they think they need

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Speaker 4: to do to keep their country safe, and we should

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Speaker 4: support our allies wherever they are when they're fighting the

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Speaker 4: bad guys. I think that's the right approach to take

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Speaker 4: with the Israel question.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's very hard to pick a winner out

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Speaker 2: of these sorts of debates because they're all over the

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Speaker 2: place and away. Yeah, they're all well, these two were

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Speaker 2: very articulate, and you know, I'd prefer the Trump Harris

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Speaker 2: debate because Trump is so unpredictable. Anything that comes out

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Speaker 2: of his mouth you left gaping as a spectacle.

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Speaker 1: It's certainly a little more much. Yes, yes, a more

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Speaker 1: memorable experience. I have picked the winners. I'm going to

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Speaker 1: year that after that. So Casey Costello has answered questions

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Speaker 1: about a link to the tobacco industry.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, well, alleged links. And this is I've got

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Speaker 2: to say. Our opponents at radio in New Zealand, I've

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Speaker 2: made much of Casey Costello and papers that she's said

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Speaker 2: to have had and.

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Speaker 1: Thet She did have those papers, She.

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Speaker 2: Had advisory papers, but.

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Speaker 1: That she said didn't exist, and then she said she

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Speaker 1: didn't know where they were from, and then she sent

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Speaker 1: them off to advise health officials and how to make policies.

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Speaker 1: Then she wouldn't release them. Then she was last were

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Speaker 1: doing well.

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Speaker 2: Hang on, what they were doing was feeding the opposition,

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Speaker 2: probably coming from the labor opposition, who basically said that

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Speaker 2: the whole issues stinked like corruption, and it's a pretty

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Speaker 2: serious claim and it was run on air and labors

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Speaker 2: as Cheverril, who of course was a former health minister.

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Speaker 2: She said the advice from Treasury confirmed that a tax

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Speaker 2: cut was a highly unusual decision. That a tax cut

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Speaker 2: was said to be was claimed to be two hundred

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Speaker 2: and sixteen million dollars. Well, as a matter of fact,

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Speaker 2: it was well under six million dollars. That was a

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Speaker 2: budgetary amount set aside just in case Philip Morris would

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Speaker 2: have been the only the only recipient of that. But

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Speaker 2: for Viral's information, Philip Morris has actually stopped making the

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Speaker 2: heated tobacco product that they're hoping to bring on to

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Speaker 2: stop smoking, and that's left Costello ironically hoping the product

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Speaker 2: will remain on the market through other outlets to assist

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Speaker 2: in the fight against smoking. Yes, she is.

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Speaker 5: This is what I'm hoping is that we do get

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Speaker 5: alternate products. This is what I want to achieve. There's

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Speaker 5: alternate products to get people to stop smoking, and if

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Speaker 5: the market is available, that there is a demand, which

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Speaker 5: I think there is because there are people who want

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Speaker 5: to quit smoking and bathing hasn't worked, and the other

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Speaker 5: tobacco magatine replacement treatments haven't worked. The Health Coalition. They

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Speaker 5: became fixated on the tobacco industry, not upon what we

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Speaker 5: were trying to do.

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Speaker 2: So that's where it was being driven from. To me

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Speaker 2: was the Health Coalition as opposed to any evidential stuff.

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Speaker 2: And when you look at Japan, which is what Costello

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Speaker 2: points to, the heated tobacco product. Don't ask me what

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Speaker 2: it is because I wouldn't have a clue, but apparently

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Speaker 2: it must be much stronger than vape and for cigarette

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Speaker 2: smokers it must make it easier to get off them,

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Speaker 2: and let's hope it does. They've got to get eighty

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Speaker 2: thousand off to reach their target by next year, and

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Speaker 2: that's zero smoking, which is effectively five percent.

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Speaker 1: I'm running out of time, but very quickly give us Hastings.

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Speaker 1: Counselors have turned up to a bouncy castle on their

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Speaker 1: front boarn thanks to the Textpars Union.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it was great, and of course it

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Speaker 2: was the mayor. Nineteen percent rates is the heike there.

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Speaker 2: This year they're paying youth counselors to come in and

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Speaker 2: give them a bit of advice on how to run

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Speaker 2: the council. Honestly, the bouncy Castle I thought was totally appropriate.

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much, very appreciate your time. That's mister

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