1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Barry Soper, Senior political correspondence with US. Hey Barry, good afternoon, Heather. 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 1: Do you reckon that there's going to be a big 3 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: uproar over this Maca bill. 4 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 2: Well, you know, the Truty Principles Bill saw the Maldi 5 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 2: Party essentially basically enrage a number of people and they 6 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:18,080 Speaker 2: got what tens of thousands of people at Parliament. This 7 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 2: does retrospectively remove some Maldi rights to the Foreshawn Sea bed. 8 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:25,440 Speaker 2: But they knew it was going to happen. I mean, 9 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 2: it was the court that decided, I think wrongly that 10 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 2: the Maori claims going back to eighteen forty was overturned, 11 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 2: saying it was too hard. That's what the court said. 12 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 2: The government said, no, that's the way it should be 13 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 2: because customary title can prevent a lot of things happening 14 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:49,839 Speaker 2: on the foreshore. Now, the last time the government legislated, 15 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:53,519 Speaker 2: of course, against the Foreshaw and seabed changes was in 16 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 2: two thousand and four and that was Helen class government. 17 00:00:56,680 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 2: And you may remember that Tarry Onaturia she defected from 18 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 2: the Labor Party and started the Maldi Party. Although the 19 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 2: late Tarana I dealt with that. She would agree with 20 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 2: some of the actions of the Maori Party today, but 21 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 2: she in fact led the charge. But you know it 22 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 2: wasn't as radical as what we see in Parliament today. 23 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 2: But certainly it does make a lot of difference to 24 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 2: claims that were made since midway through last year, about 25 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:32,399 Speaker 2: half a dozen claims that were settled. They'll now be overturned. 26 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 2: So look, whenever you interfere with something like this, you're 27 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 2: always going to get some sort of retribution and I 28 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 2: think the government will be expecting some sort of protest, 29 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 2: but we'll have to wait and see. He says it's 30 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 2: going to be through by October this year. 31 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: So you know it doesn't have a long time about 32 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: non did you see what happened at Winston Peter's press 33 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 1: conference yesterday? 34 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 2: Well, you know I found it ridiculous, as if Winston 35 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 2: isn't big enough to handle his own questions. He had 36 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 2: his senior advisor, John Johansson there telling journalists he was 37 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 2: at the Cork Islands celebration of their constitution sixty years 38 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 2: with New Zealand and John Johansson's senior adviser of a 39 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 2: former political lecturer at Victoria University, telling journalists to ask 40 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 2: non political question. 41 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:24,800 Speaker 1: Well, what is it because he was was Winston. Winston 42 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:28,279 Speaker 1: was getting quite a grilling over his relationship with Mark Browns, 43 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:31,239 Speaker 1: which is pretty clearly under a lot of pressure, because 44 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:32,959 Speaker 1: Mark brown sounds like a bit of a pain in 45 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: the butt frankly at the minute. And John Johanson piped 46 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: up and asked reporters if they had any questions that 47 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 1: aren't about politics. 48 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 2: Unbelievable, and this is the very same man, and I'll 49 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:47,360 Speaker 2: tell you a particular story. You know what the story is. 50 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:52,799 Speaker 2: Back in two thousand and eight in Washington, d C. 51 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 2: We confronted Winston Peters at the Senate. He was seeing 52 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:03,919 Speaker 2: John McCain, and Winston got agro with us about asking 53 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 2: John McCain too many questions. And McCain was telling us 54 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 2: that if he had any position of power in the 55 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 2: United States, then our anti nuclear legislation would not be 56 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:19,799 Speaker 2: a bar to his presidency. Well, not as presidency, he said, 57 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 2: if he had any power. And I went on to 58 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:26,079 Speaker 2: postulate on air that there is a possibility that John 59 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 2: McCain could be the Republican nominee for the presidency. Further 60 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:33,639 Speaker 2: down the track, well, our friend John Johansson came out 61 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 2: publicly and said it just goes to show how much 62 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 2: Barry so open knows about American politics. He would never 63 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 2: be the Republican nominee. Well, as it turned out, he 64 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 2: stood against Barack Obama. Obama won, but McCain certainly he 65 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 2: was right there. 66 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: So is every single time John Johansson does something stuid, 67 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: I'll remind him, you're going to you're going to You're 68 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 1: going to tell everyone, just to make sure that you 69 00:03:58,480 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 1: get him back. 70 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 2: I quite what happened hands, but you know, sometimes you 71 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 2: should keep your trap shut. That's my view, and a 72 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 2: lot of people would be saying. 73 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 1: Is not is not lost? Hey, really quickly, where are 74 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: we at with that by election? 75 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:17,599 Speaker 2: Well, we've got five candidates standing in the by election. 76 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:20,720 Speaker 2: But it's really look when you boil it down, it's 77 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 2: really a battle between two old Coe radio hosts, Willie 78 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 2: Jackson and John Tammy Herry Tammany. Harry is the president 79 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 2: of the MALDI Party, he'll be running the campaign for them, 80 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:37,039 Speaker 2: and Willie Jackson is the campaign manager for Pennie. So 81 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 2: it'll be a battle between those two because they also 82 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 2: rans haven't really got to show Hannah Tommocky Bishop Brian's 83 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:49,159 Speaker 2: missus h It'll be it'll be interesting, but look, they 84 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 2: won't be able to attack the common foe and that's 85 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 2: the government, and they won't like to attack each other 86 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 2: because there could be in coalition. So aim by election. 87 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: That's going to bring all the spices. Very thanks, very much, 88 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 1: Barious Sober, senior political correspondent. For more from Hither Duplessy 89 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 1: Allen Drive, listen live to news talks. 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