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Speaker 2: Hello you on a good afternoon. Welcome into Sunday and

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Speaker 2: Sunday's edition of Weekend Sport on News Talks AB June

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Speaker 2: twenty three, Happy birthday to our greatest Olympic medalist, Dame

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Speaker 2: Lisa Carrington. Six medals, four of them gold. More to

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Speaker 2: come hopefully in the next few weeks. Happy Birthday Colin Montgomery,

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Speaker 2: Happy birthdays in it In Zidam and happy birthday, Happy

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Speaker 2: ninety second birthday to former New Zealand fast Fall of

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Speaker 2: Bob Blair part of our cricketing folklore, of course, after

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Speaker 2: the events on Christmas Eve nineteen fifty three, playing for

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Speaker 2: New Zealand against South Africa, Joe burt Here received news

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Speaker 2: his fiance had been killed in the Tonguey Wire rail disaster.

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Speaker 2: Wasn't expected to bat but when he appeared at the

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Speaker 2: crease at the fall of the ninth wicket to join

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Speaker 2: Bert Sutcliffe. The entire crowd stood in silence, one of

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Speaker 2: the most iconic moments in New Zealand sport. Happy ninety

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Speaker 2: second today to Bob Blair. I'm Jason Pine Show producer

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Speaker 2: Anny McDonald alongside. We're talking sport until three. Of course,

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Speaker 2: we've got our Super Rugby champions. That's gonna go over

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Speaker 2: the line. Blues hates have loved.

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Speaker 3: To hear these words again.

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Speaker 4: The Blues a Super Rugby champions for the first time

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Speaker 4: in twenty one years. Data marks the Chiefs send to

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Speaker 4: the final forty one.

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Speaker 2: Ten Yeah, congress to the Blues, worthy winners over the

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Speaker 2: Chiefs last night. We'll attempt to get you inside the

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Speaker 2: Blues camp after one as we can raise anybody after

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Speaker 2: what I'm sure was a big night. We'll cover it

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Speaker 2: off anyway, and Blues fans feel free to luxuriate in

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Speaker 2: this long desired Super Rugby title this afternoon. By contrast,

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Speaker 2: what on Earth happened on the Gold Coast? Well, what

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Speaker 2: do you say? It is a nightmare on the glitter Strip.

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Speaker 2: Gold Coast torture for Sean Johnson, Andrew Webster and the

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Speaker 2: Warriors stunned sixty six six by the Titans their equal

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Speaker 2: biggest losing margin of all time. Going to unpack this

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Speaker 2: this afternoon as well. I'm sure you'll have some views.

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Speaker 2: First up, though, the first All Black squad of Scott

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Speaker 2: Robertson's tenure will be named tomorrow afternoon around five thirty

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Speaker 2: thirty two names to be read out in christ Church.

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Speaker 2: Who's going to be in, Who's not going to be there?

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Speaker 2: What are the toughest calls for Scott Robertson and his

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Speaker 2: coaching staff to make former All Blacks Jeff Wilson and

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Speaker 2: Mike Brewer with us shortly to kick this around your

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Speaker 2: thoughts obviously, welcome to other matters around today. Our Road

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Speaker 2: great Olympians said to join us. I mentioned Dame Lisa

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Speaker 2: Carrington before on her birthday. She's the only New Zealander

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Speaker 2: who has more Olympic medals than Sir Mark Todd, five

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Speaker 2: including back to back golds in nineteen eighty four and

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Speaker 2: seven Olympic Games. Incredible. He's with us after two o'clock

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Speaker 2: and coaching guru Wayne Goldsmith also along this afternoon talking

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Speaker 2: way to approach that specific challenge. James mcconey as well

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Speaker 2: live sport The Super eight stage continues at the T

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Speaker 2: twenty Cricket World Cup Afghanistan against Australia underway from twelve thirty.

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Speaker 1: Analyzing every view from every angle in the sporting world

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Speaker 2: SO At five point thirty tomorrow afternoon at the TOPAI

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Speaker 2: christ Church Convention Center, Scott Robertson will unveil his first

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Speaker 2: squad as All Blacks head coach. It'll be a thirty

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Speaker 2: two man roster to play England in two Test matches

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Speaker 2: Dunedin and then Auckland July six and thirteen, and then

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Speaker 2: to let you know, next Saturday weekend, Sport will broadcast

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Speaker 5: Mike, afternoon Friday, we just specy good morning.

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Speaker 2: We were past twelve o'clock now, Mike, So yeah, I

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Speaker 2: Skysport commentator and analyst Jeff Wilson, How doing, Jeff?

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Speaker 7: After funny bruise up?

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Speaker 5: How are you going?

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Speaker 7: I'm great, Pain, I'm great.

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Speaker 2: could we start there, Jeff? Did anyone play their way

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Speaker 7: I don't know they played their way until we're out

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Speaker 7: In the end, it's going to be I think some

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Speaker 5: I'm still feeling a little bit different, did you. I

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Speaker 2: that around as well. But black Adder Female, you're say, Jacobson, Larkeye,

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Speaker 2: you're putting in? Who you're leaving out?

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Speaker 5: Ethan Blackguner. I think is a type of six that

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Speaker 5: Andrew wise, I think that they'll select them. See now again,

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Speaker 5: And the sixth one I've gone has Jakinson.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well he covers all three, doesn't he, like you

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Speaker 2: used to. How valuable is that going to be? Mike

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Speaker 2: Rugby Championship. So the ability of Jacobson to cover all

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Speaker 5: Because I think if they sort of go off Oskar

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Speaker 5: Dalton and Jacobson. There's back up seven. So just about

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Speaker 5: balance things sort of. When I was going through all

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Speaker 5: I think we're pretty light and light in a couple

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Speaker 2: Sixth Jeff first five. Stephen Perfetta going to make.

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Speaker 2: I like you both about the half backs. Let's stay

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Speaker 7: These are alvitually common conversations when it starts selecting US side. Look,

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Speaker 7: he's the guy that we're hoping is going to get

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Dana Raiser obviously played him a lot there,

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Speaker 5: How to Ruben?

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Speaker 6: I've found room.

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Speaker 7: I've found room for Reuben Love, you know, once against

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Speaker 2: Sorry, Mike, you carry on. You guys have the conversation.

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Speaker 5: You go, Mike, any has any curtain used to say? Goldie,

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Speaker 7: He's got gas, and gas is one of those things

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Speaker 2: Hookers, who's the third howker we've got? Obviously Cody Taylor?

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Speaker 2: I love players like that, Captain, Mike, who's the captain?

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Speaker 5: Only one choice here, I think with Scott robertson as

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Speaker 2: No chance he goes out he save Mike.

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Speaker 5: I think you want to do it Scott Robertson way

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Speaker 10: Me, but.

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Speaker 7: Good, honestly, Bruiser, great, Honestly, you could have just done

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Speaker 7: You had a bit of bit more. I know it

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Speaker 5: No, but that's what it was about today.

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Speaker 2: Indeed, indeed, all right, I want to finish, want to

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Speaker 8: You know?

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Speaker 5: Did Goldie just run with street.

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Speaker 7: That I run with just three centers?

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Speaker 7: be honest with you. And that's where I think the

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Speaker 7: great thing about Rique Yuani is he's he can be.

431
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Speaker 7: He's probably the easiest one he can He can quite

432
00:21:24,747 --> 00:21:28,507
Speaker 7: easily slide out to plan the wing of fiel Blacks

433
00:21:28,547 --> 00:21:31,067
Speaker 7: needed to be. But you know, I think the combination

434
00:21:31,147 --> 00:21:33,667
Speaker 7: of Yowani and Barrett is as well and truly formed

435
00:21:33,707 --> 00:21:36,187
Speaker 7: and not in ten Anzelina Brown said one hell of

436
00:21:36,267 --> 00:21:39,907
Speaker 7: the season. It really has and he's that real viable

437
00:21:39,947 --> 00:21:43,947
Speaker 7: option and you know that the big things around you know,

438
00:21:44,027 --> 00:21:49,707
Speaker 7: I only looked at uh, Clark and Taliah and that

439
00:21:50,227 --> 00:21:53,707
Speaker 7: those three in regards to the wings that are going

440
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Speaker 7: to get their opportunity.

441
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Speaker 8: So it was it was sort of a five to

442
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Speaker 8: four five four. No, Si, he didn't make my side,

443
00:22:03,867 --> 00:22:04,187
Speaker 8: didn't he?

444
00:22:04,987 --> 00:22:07,267
Speaker 7: Well, I just I had to make a decision about

445
00:22:07,427 --> 00:22:10,867
Speaker 7: out and out wings. You know, that's the you know,

446
00:22:10,947 --> 00:22:12,987
Speaker 7: how many how many could you put that fitten?

447
00:22:13,467 --> 00:22:13,587
Speaker 8: You know.

448
00:22:13,787 --> 00:22:15,427
Speaker 7: I think the really important thing for me here is

449
00:22:15,747 --> 00:22:18,227
Speaker 7: is well that this is for the fetest three tests,

450
00:22:18,707 --> 00:22:21,187
Speaker 7: not the Ruggay Championship squad. So you know, I think

451
00:22:21,307 --> 00:22:24,427
Speaker 7: you know, Scott Robinson, Scott Room, you know, to make

452
00:22:24,507 --> 00:22:26,267
Speaker 7: some changes and shifts if you really need to be.

453
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Speaker 7: But that's where it got hard. Like you say, there's

454
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Speaker 7: some really good players who've missed out. I've got Billy

455
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Speaker 7: Procter in my mix. I really have had such a

456
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Speaker 7: good season at center for the Hurricane.

457
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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I've gone I've gone four in midfield as well.

458
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Speaker 12: Have you?

459
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Speaker 2: Have you only gone three midfielders, Mike, No, I actually

460
00:22:43,787 --> 00:22:47,547
Speaker 2: got for heavily right, So Billy, Billy Procter's not in

461
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Speaker 2: your squad, President.

462
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Speaker 5: I think he's going to be one of those players that,

463
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Speaker 5: in my daves look like Brent Pope is just so

464
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Speaker 5: many other good players in this position. I just think

465
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Speaker 5: you'll miss out.

466
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Speaker 7: I think potally comes up for every selection conversations I've ever.

467
00:23:02,187 --> 00:23:02,587
Speaker 9: Had with you.

468
00:23:05,307 --> 00:23:10,227
Speaker 8: But anyway, yes, say you be.

469
00:23:16,147 --> 00:23:16,267
Speaker 7: Right.

470
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Speaker 2: Let's get us, let's get out, let's get our fifteens.

471
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Speaker 2: Let's get our fifteens done. When our listeners are queuing

472
00:23:20,867 --> 00:23:22,507
Speaker 2: up to have their So so let's get our fifteens

473
00:23:22,507 --> 00:23:25,227
Speaker 2: out for the first Test against England and Dunedin front

474
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Speaker 2: front row, brows and what's your front row the group

475
00:23:28,867 --> 00:23:31,587
Speaker 2: Paler Lomas saying Goldie.

476
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Speaker 7: Uh, Williams, Taylor Lomax.

477
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Speaker 2: Interesting, all right, your locks, Jeff.

478
00:23:42,627 --> 00:23:44,707
Speaker 7: It's it's Barrett and by.

479
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Speaker 5: Patrick Patrick and hit A.

480
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's okay, right, loose forwards? What's your loose forward trio?

481
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Speaker 8: Mike let s there and Sotutu.

482
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Speaker 2: All right, So you've got Savia on the open side

483
00:24:03,307 --> 00:24:04,067
Speaker 2: for you, Jeff.

484
00:24:05,907 --> 00:24:09,787
Speaker 7: See now on the blindside, Savilla and Papa in the open.

485
00:24:10,627 --> 00:24:13,547
Speaker 2: Okay, half back first five combo Mike.

486
00:24:15,227 --> 00:24:17,107
Speaker 5: Philly, Christian McKinsey.

487
00:24:17,947 --> 00:24:22,067
Speaker 2: Yes for me, midfield the midfield to it feels like

488
00:24:22,187 --> 00:24:23,867
Speaker 2: Barrett and Joannie have you both got that?

489
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Speaker 5: Yep?

490
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Speaker 2: Yes, indeed, all right, Jeff back three.

491
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Speaker 7: I've got Talia on the left and on the right,

492
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Speaker 7: and I've got Bone and Bart at fullback.

493
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Speaker 5: What have you gone with, Mike, I've gone Bone that

494
00:24:42,107 --> 00:24:45,267
Speaker 5: full back to there on the right. But I'm stuck

495
00:24:45,307 --> 00:24:46,547
Speaker 5: with Silly Reese on the left.

496
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've done that too. I've got I've got recent,

497
00:24:49,827 --> 00:24:51,507
Speaker 2: I've got Reese on the left wing. But Jeff hasn't

498
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Speaker 2: even got him in the squad.

499
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Speaker 7: But I haven't got even Blacketter in the squad either. Yeah,

500
00:24:59,867 --> 00:25:03,067
Speaker 7: you know, lots of yeah. I mean it's a really

501
00:25:03,107 --> 00:25:07,507
Speaker 7: hard one. I've gone for Jacobson, uh, Female lark Eye,

502
00:25:08,747 --> 00:25:11,707
Speaker 7: Popliti and Sevillah in my loose fortraw there's no room

503
00:25:11,747 --> 00:25:14,227
Speaker 7: for for Jacobson. So you know, like I said, there's

504
00:25:14,227 --> 00:25:16,747
Speaker 7: there's you know, there's marginal cause in so many positions

505
00:25:16,787 --> 00:25:19,627
Speaker 7: between one or two guys. You know, all I know

506
00:25:19,787 --> 00:25:21,747
Speaker 7: is there news a side is going to be a

507
00:25:21,827 --> 00:25:23,547
Speaker 7: heic of aside when he gets an opportunity later on

508
00:25:23,587 --> 00:25:23,867
Speaker 7: the air.

509
00:25:24,667 --> 00:25:27,147
Speaker 5: My only concerned with the boys he now is I

510
00:25:27,227 --> 00:25:31,547
Speaker 5: think he's a fantastic player, but the All Black selectors

511
00:25:31,827 --> 00:25:34,827
Speaker 5: and knowing Scotty that I think there's a real question

512
00:25:34,947 --> 00:25:38,227
Speaker 5: mark over his discipline and the amount of penalties he

513
00:25:38,267 --> 00:25:41,747
Speaker 5: gives away, and some of the penalties he's given away,

514
00:25:42,147 --> 00:25:44,667
Speaker 5: you know in this season, particularly in the in the playoffs,

515
00:25:45,347 --> 00:25:48,787
Speaker 5: is just allowed that aucklantem to just piggyback up the

516
00:25:48,867 --> 00:25:52,147
Speaker 5: field and do what they do. So I think that's

517
00:25:52,267 --> 00:25:53,987
Speaker 5: that's an issue that he's you know, he's going to

518
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Speaker 5: address because I think he's a he's a bit like

519
00:25:55,787 --> 00:25:58,707
Speaker 5: shann of Brazil but too many penalties.

520
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Speaker 7: Well, the challenge you're getting on staying on the field

521
00:26:04,827 --> 00:26:08,587
Speaker 7: m hm. And you know, it's just one of those things.

522
00:26:08,627 --> 00:26:11,947
Speaker 7: I just think it's it's like I'm fascinated to see tomorrow,

523
00:26:12,067 --> 00:26:13,947
Speaker 7: I really am, you know, because we'll get a real

524
00:26:14,027 --> 00:26:16,427
Speaker 7: sense of what exactly it is he's looking for. It'll

525
00:26:16,467 --> 00:26:19,147
Speaker 7: be those four or five guys that we couldn't quite

526
00:26:19,187 --> 00:26:22,387
Speaker 7: decide on or we weren't sure about. Well, a strong

527
00:26:22,467 --> 00:26:23,427
Speaker 7: sense from raising tomorrow.

528
00:26:25,627 --> 00:26:28,467
Speaker 2: Excellent guys, Thanks so much for joining us. Mike, always

529
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Speaker 2: enjoy chatting. Thanks for taking the time, mate, Jeff buy

530
00:26:32,507 --> 00:26:35,587
Speaker 2: all the best and Jeff, thanks to you.

531
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Speaker 6: Mate.

532
00:26:35,827 --> 00:26:37,827
Speaker 2: We'll look forward to live coverage of the first of

533
00:26:37,907 --> 00:26:40,587
Speaker 2: it all Black Squad five thirty tomorrow Sky Sport one

534
00:26:40,827 --> 00:26:42,867
Speaker 2: and Sky Sport Now you'll be involved in that. Thanks

535
00:26:42,907 --> 00:26:47,307
Speaker 2: for taking the time to have a chat this afternoon, mate, mate,

536
00:26:47,707 --> 00:26:50,267
Speaker 2: all the best, mate, Jeff Wilson, Mike Brewer there with

537
00:26:50,387 --> 00:26:53,187
Speaker 2: their thoughts and some fairly interesting thoughts too. You'll have

538
00:26:53,347 --> 00:26:55,827
Speaker 2: some too, No doubt your chance to play selector now

539
00:26:56,427 --> 00:26:58,667
Speaker 2: oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Who makes the

540
00:26:58,747 --> 00:27:02,947
Speaker 2: thirty two man list to be revealed tomorrow. Any bolters, Well,

541
00:27:05,307 --> 00:27:09,987
Speaker 2: let's define bolt, somebody who nobody had picked, a name

542
00:27:10,067 --> 00:27:12,387
Speaker 2: we haven't even talked about. The only I think the

543
00:27:12,427 --> 00:27:14,267
Speaker 2: only position we didn't really talk about in that chat

544
00:27:14,347 --> 00:27:18,987
Speaker 2: was the props. We covered off most of the other positions.

545
00:27:19,027 --> 00:27:21,707
Speaker 2: For example, Billy Proctor, if he makes the squad tomorrow,

546
00:27:21,867 --> 00:27:24,187
Speaker 2: is not a bolter. I think he's been talked about

547
00:27:24,227 --> 00:27:27,347
Speaker 2: all year as somebody who who may well be there,

548
00:27:28,187 --> 00:27:30,987
Speaker 2: and I think has has deserved his place. A bolter

549
00:27:31,187 --> 00:27:33,987
Speaker 2: is a guy like Dallas McLeod. Remember when Dallas McLeod

550
00:27:34,067 --> 00:27:37,387
Speaker 2: was picked last year, he was a bolter because nobody

551
00:27:37,427 --> 00:27:41,267
Speaker 2: had him. Nobody picked him. I've written down my thirty two.

552
00:27:41,627 --> 00:27:44,547
Speaker 2: I've got five new all blacks. You can to hear

553
00:27:44,587 --> 00:27:48,187
Speaker 2: yours players who have caught your eyespecially especially those who

554
00:27:48,267 --> 00:27:51,187
Speaker 2: haven't worn the black jersey before. Oh, eight hundred and

555
00:27:51,227 --> 00:27:53,347
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty nine two nine two. If you would

556
00:27:53,347 --> 00:27:55,627
Speaker 2: prefer to send a text, we're back with your calls

557
00:27:55,667 --> 00:27:57,587
Speaker 2: after this on news Talks here Big it's twenty five

558
00:27:57,627 --> 00:27:58,667
Speaker 2: to one one.

559
00:27:58,827 --> 00:28:04,067
Speaker 1: Crutch Hold Engage Weekend Sport with Jason Tame and GJ.

560
00:28:04,267 --> 00:28:08,707
Speaker 2: Gunnerhomes New Zealand's first trust no Builder News Talk just

561
00:28:08,787 --> 00:28:10,587
Speaker 2: on twenty three to one, Glen says, I'm not a

562
00:28:10,627 --> 00:28:12,347
Speaker 2: Blues fan, but I'd love to see Harry Plumber make

563
00:28:12,387 --> 00:28:14,107
Speaker 2: it as a bolter. I think he's been epic for

564
00:28:14,147 --> 00:28:16,827
Speaker 2: the Blues this year. Can play twelve, fifteen at a

565
00:28:16,907 --> 00:28:20,187
Speaker 2: pinch and ten obviously, Glenn, Yeah, look, he would be

566
00:28:20,227 --> 00:28:23,347
Speaker 2: a bolter, Harry Plummer. No one's talked about him, and interesting,

567
00:28:23,427 --> 00:28:24,947
Speaker 2: going to go to the lines a moment. Interesting that

568
00:28:25,947 --> 00:28:28,427
Speaker 2: Plumber has played at teen for the Blues, ahead of Petafeta,

569
00:28:28,587 --> 00:28:30,387
Speaker 2: who will probably be picked as a teen in the

570
00:28:30,387 --> 00:28:34,147
Speaker 2: squad tomorrow. Interesting times, eh, interesting times. Let's get to

571
00:28:34,267 --> 00:28:35,467
Speaker 2: some calls to day.

572
00:28:35,507 --> 00:28:39,707
Speaker 9: Bruce, good Jason, you're having a good day.

573
00:28:40,187 --> 00:28:42,227
Speaker 2: I'm having a great I'm having a great day, Bruce.

574
00:28:42,267 --> 00:28:44,347
Speaker 2: I really am. A's yours going.

575
00:28:44,187 --> 00:28:47,987
Speaker 9: Good man, Let's get into it because I'm very busy.

576
00:28:48,107 --> 00:28:54,667
Speaker 9: Twenty four to seven. Okay, where to this all black squad?

577
00:28:55,227 --> 00:28:59,347
Speaker 9: Yeah yeah, yeah, Well I've listened to all of you,

578
00:29:00,307 --> 00:29:02,067
Speaker 9: and I've been around for a day or two, a

579
00:29:02,187 --> 00:29:06,027
Speaker 9: long long time. I go back five thousand years Dartsy

580
00:29:06,387 --> 00:29:10,067
Speaker 9: you know who is. Yeah, that's a day or two ago.

581
00:29:11,987 --> 00:29:21,427
Speaker 9: I think that test level is far, far above super level,

582
00:29:22,427 --> 00:29:26,147
Speaker 9: and it's cost us a lot of World Cups through stupidity.

583
00:29:27,427 --> 00:29:32,547
Speaker 9: When we've lost in O seven O three we should

584
00:29:32,587 --> 00:29:36,267
Speaker 9: have won. Were the best sporting The All Blacks are

585
00:29:36,307 --> 00:29:42,067
Speaker 9: the best sporting team in the world of all any sport,

586
00:29:42,267 --> 00:29:45,627
Speaker 9: not just rugby. The best and we are the best,

587
00:29:46,427 --> 00:29:52,947
Speaker 9: but coaches come and go Raizor I write very very highly,

588
00:29:53,547 --> 00:29:58,667
Speaker 9: very highly. I would boat with Cody Taylor has captain.

589
00:29:59,387 --> 00:30:02,467
Speaker 9: You don't know who's going to get injured between now

590
00:30:02,987 --> 00:30:06,947
Speaker 9: in the game. I'd go with Radama. He's a King

591
00:30:07,027 --> 00:30:10,707
Speaker 9: Country boy, our coach down there Roller Males, thank you

592
00:30:11,227 --> 00:30:16,547
Speaker 9: up at pretty Anger with Jenny Werrit. All my three

593
00:30:16,627 --> 00:30:22,107
Speaker 9: sons have played rugby for King Country, you know, at

594
00:30:22,387 --> 00:30:29,067
Speaker 9: various levels, I'd go with at fullback. All World Cups

595
00:30:29,907 --> 00:30:36,987
Speaker 9: basically are won by penalty goals, not tries ever think

596
00:30:37,027 --> 00:30:41,507
Speaker 9: about it, so you've got to have experience. So at

597
00:30:41,707 --> 00:30:46,147
Speaker 9: fullback I would have Baiden Barrett on the wings. I'd

598
00:30:46,187 --> 00:30:52,507
Speaker 9: have tell Aa and Reece sent to no brainer. A

599
00:30:52,587 --> 00:30:57,147
Speaker 9: lot of these people I know, Ione from Auckland his

600
00:30:57,307 --> 00:31:01,347
Speaker 9: mother's name Shirley. She's some up north and where I

601
00:31:01,507 --> 00:31:03,947
Speaker 9: come from. God, I've been all over the world and

602
00:31:04,027 --> 00:31:05,667
Speaker 9: I've done a hell of a lot more than sharing

603
00:31:05,747 --> 00:31:09,947
Speaker 9: and out nearing and everything else. Where are we second?

604
00:31:10,067 --> 00:31:10,347
Speaker 8: Fight?

605
00:31:11,667 --> 00:31:11,867
Speaker 6: Cool?

606
00:31:11,907 --> 00:31:14,507
Speaker 9: Who have they got to help me? Jason? Who's well?

607
00:31:14,587 --> 00:31:15,547
Speaker 2: Jordy Barrett surely?

608
00:31:16,307 --> 00:31:17,427
Speaker 8: Oh short course?

609
00:31:17,667 --> 00:31:22,507
Speaker 9: Yeah, no brain, thank you, Jason. Nobody knows it all, honey.

610
00:31:22,267 --> 00:31:24,787
Speaker 2: God, you're right, Bruce. I am going to have to

611
00:31:24,787 --> 00:31:26,627
Speaker 2: move on, mate, But you've gone through most of the

612
00:31:26,707 --> 00:31:28,107
Speaker 2: back line there, so I'm going to move on. Got

613
00:31:28,147 --> 00:31:31,427
Speaker 2: other calls to get to. But yeah, I've got Reese

614
00:31:31,467 --> 00:31:35,827
Speaker 2: Talaya and and I've got Ruben Lovers my fallback. That

615
00:31:36,027 --> 00:31:39,707
Speaker 2: will probably be controversial, and I'll be accused of bias,

616
00:31:39,787 --> 00:31:43,027
Speaker 2: no doubt, but I quite like the idea of Ruben

617
00:31:43,107 --> 00:31:47,907
Speaker 2: Love starting the first test of the year. Scott Robertson

618
00:31:47,987 --> 00:31:51,787
Speaker 2: may well go with Boden Barrett at fallback, but I

619
00:31:51,987 --> 00:31:54,747
Speaker 2: just quite like the idea of saying to Ruben Love,

620
00:31:55,707 --> 00:31:59,027
Speaker 2: here you go, mate, here's the fifteen jersey. You are

621
00:31:59,107 --> 00:32:01,667
Speaker 2: in charge of it for this first test. That's your

622
00:32:02,027 --> 00:32:04,307
Speaker 2: chance to hold on to it for a bit. Good

623
00:32:04,307 --> 00:32:06,307
Speaker 2: to chatty you Bruce, go well mate, Hello Dan.

624
00:32:07,347 --> 00:32:09,627
Speaker 6: Gooday Piney, how are you very well done?

625
00:32:09,707 --> 00:32:10,027
Speaker 10: Very well?

626
00:32:11,187 --> 00:32:15,427
Speaker 6: Now, I just want to talk about the captaincy Piney yep.

627
00:32:15,627 --> 00:32:19,187
Speaker 8: And my reasoning not for.

628
00:32:19,347 --> 00:32:24,107
Speaker 6: Having Ardie Saba as captain is because in the World

629
00:32:24,227 --> 00:32:29,307
Speaker 6: Cup Final I think he blew it by not taking

630
00:32:29,547 --> 00:32:34,547
Speaker 6: a few crucial penalties and going for the corner and

631
00:32:34,707 --> 00:32:39,027
Speaker 6: that's where his decision making pot me off. And that's

632
00:32:39,067 --> 00:32:41,627
Speaker 6: why I would have Scott Barrett as captain.

633
00:32:42,147 --> 00:32:46,667
Speaker 2: I can't remember him electing to take shots at goal

634
00:32:46,827 --> 00:32:48,667
Speaker 2: rather than kick for the corners. It was a tight

635
00:32:48,787 --> 00:32:51,587
Speaker 2: game too, damn. What was it, twelve eleven, so every

636
00:32:51,667 --> 00:32:52,427
Speaker 2: point's crucial.

637
00:32:53,707 --> 00:32:56,347
Speaker 6: It was a tight game. And I remember once or

638
00:32:56,467 --> 00:33:00,787
Speaker 6: twice where Ardie went for the corner and he could

639
00:33:00,827 --> 00:33:02,947
Speaker 6: have taken the shot at goal and that would have

640
00:33:03,027 --> 00:33:03,307
Speaker 6: been it.

641
00:33:04,987 --> 00:33:05,707
Speaker 8: Okay, that's the.

642
00:33:05,827 --> 00:33:09,507
Speaker 2: Only why, all right. So I mean, I look, I

643
00:33:09,667 --> 00:33:12,587
Speaker 2: think put it this way down. I think Scott Barrett

644
00:33:12,627 --> 00:33:15,067
Speaker 2: will be named as All Blacks captain tomorrow. I think

645
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Speaker 2: if Artie Savier was named as captain, I don't think

646
00:33:18,067 --> 00:33:21,827
Speaker 2: there'd be too many batted eyelids anywhere, or raised eyebrows

647
00:33:21,907 --> 00:33:24,587
Speaker 2: or whatever. The right phrases. I think he's a guy

648
00:33:24,667 --> 00:33:28,827
Speaker 2: who absolutely leads by his actions. Both of them are

649
00:33:28,947 --> 00:33:32,627
Speaker 2: absolutely rusted on starters in a team. I guess you

650
00:33:32,667 --> 00:33:35,107
Speaker 2: could argue about where Artie Savier plays. I still like

651
00:33:35,187 --> 00:33:36,867
Speaker 2: him at eight, but they may look at him at seven.

652
00:33:37,107 --> 00:33:39,387
Speaker 2: Scott Barrett is probably the best lock in the country,

653
00:33:39,467 --> 00:33:42,547
Speaker 2: so they both guarantee their place in the side. It

654
00:33:42,707 --> 00:33:45,787
Speaker 2: may just be that as a new coach, Scott Robertson

655
00:33:45,827 --> 00:33:48,107
Speaker 2: goes with what he knows, and what he knows is

656
00:33:48,467 --> 00:33:50,907
Speaker 2: Scott Baron. I guess from years and years of working

657
00:33:50,987 --> 00:33:51,267
Speaker 2: with him.

658
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Speaker 6: Yep, that's deared right, Thank you very much, Piney.

659
00:33:54,947 --> 00:33:56,987
Speaker 2: Dann, Thank you mate. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten

660
00:33:57,067 --> 00:33:59,987
Speaker 2: eighty is our number plenty through here on text which

661
00:34:00,067 --> 00:34:04,307
Speaker 2: I will get to after. Jason Neville says I would

662
00:34:04,347 --> 00:34:08,307
Speaker 2: have Isaya Walker Lea Weddy in the team ahead of

663
00:34:08,387 --> 00:34:11,187
Speaker 2: Sam Dowrye. He's been the backbone of the Hurricanes middle row.

664
00:34:11,427 --> 00:34:13,307
Speaker 2: He has been pincked a few times, but refs have

665
00:34:13,427 --> 00:34:15,307
Speaker 2: been always correct in their calls.

666
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Speaker 13: Yeah.

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00:34:16,067 --> 00:34:19,107
Speaker 2: I've watched him with interest this year, you know, Neville

668
00:34:19,147 --> 00:34:22,627
Speaker 2: obviously being a Hurricanes fan, and I think he's been

669
00:34:22,747 --> 00:34:25,427
Speaker 2: very good Isaiah Walker, Leirwddy another one who hasn't been

670
00:34:25,787 --> 00:34:28,267
Speaker 2: mentioned that much in dispatches. I thought Dowry was very

671
00:34:28,307 --> 00:34:33,707
Speaker 2: good last night and probably locked himself into the into

672
00:34:33,747 --> 00:34:35,587
Speaker 2: the squad. You look at the locks who were going

673
00:34:35,667 --> 00:34:38,587
Speaker 2: around to Paul He's going to be there, Patrick two,

674
00:34:38,667 --> 00:34:40,427
Speaker 2: Pa Lot who is going to be there, and Scott

675
00:34:40,427 --> 00:34:42,627
Speaker 2: Barrett's going to be They're probably only room for one more.

676
00:34:43,507 --> 00:34:46,707
Speaker 2: And you look at Nita a Koy, Sam Dowry, Jamie Hannah.

677
00:34:46,707 --> 00:34:48,667
Speaker 2: Probably a bit early for him. Josh Lord hasn't played

678
00:34:48,667 --> 00:34:51,427
Speaker 2: a lot. Neither has Monarchi Selby Rick at Quentin Strange

679
00:34:51,827 --> 00:34:54,707
Speaker 2: is a guy who Scott Robertson knows well from Crusader's country.

680
00:34:54,947 --> 00:34:57,027
Speaker 2: I think it's Dowry. I think he's the one who

681
00:34:57,067 --> 00:35:00,267
Speaker 2: you can probably lock in there as the as the

682
00:35:00,347 --> 00:35:04,467
Speaker 2: fourth lock. Pardon the pun. What else have we got here?

683
00:35:04,707 --> 00:35:06,267
Speaker 2: Not sure if he gets talked about this year or not,

684
00:35:06,387 --> 00:35:09,667
Speaker 2: but I hope A J. Lamb gets his plaudits and

685
00:35:09,787 --> 00:35:14,027
Speaker 2: gets a black jersey at some stage. Interesting Barry says,

686
00:35:14,067 --> 00:35:17,867
Speaker 2: I can't see David HARVILLI missing out. Raiser has to

687
00:35:17,947 --> 00:35:24,347
Speaker 2: go with trusted players. Taylor Taylor Whitelock, Barrett Black, Adam Wonga, Havilli.

688
00:35:24,707 --> 00:35:27,307
Speaker 2: Raiser trusts Avily to never let him down. So that's

689
00:35:27,307 --> 00:35:29,387
Speaker 2: why I think he's in covers first five, second five

690
00:35:29,427 --> 00:35:32,827
Speaker 2: and fall back. Yeah so yes, so raised, I see

691
00:35:32,827 --> 00:35:35,067
Speaker 2: what you mean. The barrier Raizer went with trusted players

692
00:35:35,067 --> 00:35:38,747
Speaker 2: at the Crusaders. Yes, yeah, maybe David. I haven't got

693
00:35:38,827 --> 00:35:42,667
Speaker 2: David Heavily in my squad, but again I'm not picking it.

694
00:35:42,867 --> 00:35:44,507
Speaker 2: Twelve to forty five News Talks here be you got

695
00:35:44,507 --> 00:35:46,547
Speaker 2: a few more minutes to chat. Oh, eight hundred and

696
00:35:46,547 --> 00:35:47,827
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty back after this.

697
00:35:49,267 --> 00:35:50,307
Speaker 1: You be the TMO.

698
00:35:50,587 --> 00:35:51,307
Speaker 2: Have yours say?

699
00:35:51,347 --> 00:35:54,347
Speaker 1: On eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Weekend Sport with

700
00:35:54,587 --> 00:35:58,627
Speaker 1: Jason Hin and GJ. Garvnerholmes, New Zealand's most Trusted home

701
00:35:58,667 --> 00:35:59,787
Speaker 1: Builder News Talks and.

702
00:35:59,867 --> 00:36:02,267
Speaker 2: B twelve to one talking all Blacks. We're going to

703
00:36:02,307 --> 00:36:05,387
Speaker 2: talk Blues after one o'clock as well. We can mesh

704
00:36:05,427 --> 00:36:06,947
Speaker 2: the two here if we like. Tell me you were

705
00:36:06,987 --> 00:36:07,747
Speaker 2: there last night.

706
00:36:08,867 --> 00:36:13,867
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was there, sitting in the torrential rain. But

707
00:36:14,387 --> 00:36:17,547
Speaker 3: what an amazing Well, if you're a purist, you love

708
00:36:17,627 --> 00:36:22,987
Speaker 3: the game because the Blues just absolutely dominated them, didn't

709
00:36:23,027 --> 00:36:26,907
Speaker 3: they yes, absolutely dominated them. I think the territory was

710
00:36:27,027 --> 00:36:29,707
Speaker 3: something like seventy to thirty and when the Chiefs had

711
00:36:29,747 --> 00:36:30,907
Speaker 3: the ball, they just kicked it away.

712
00:36:32,507 --> 00:36:34,627
Speaker 2: They did kick a lot, didn't they. I noticed that.

713
00:36:34,827 --> 00:36:37,067
Speaker 2: It's obviously part of the game plan. But yeah, Damian

714
00:36:37,147 --> 00:36:38,267
Speaker 2: McKenzie kicked a lot, didn't he.

715
00:36:39,147 --> 00:36:39,867
Speaker 8: Yeah, exactly.

716
00:36:39,987 --> 00:36:41,987
Speaker 3: But you know, twenty one years mate, it's been a

717
00:36:42,067 --> 00:36:46,787
Speaker 3: long time coming. And absolutely I think Auckland, the jeff Nation,

718
00:36:47,027 --> 00:36:50,267
Speaker 3: deserves some credit from the rest of the country. We've

719
00:36:50,307 --> 00:36:53,027
Speaker 3: been put through hell, We've been told that the Chiefs

720
00:36:53,067 --> 00:36:54,907
Speaker 3: are going to beat us because no one likes Auckland

721
00:36:55,347 --> 00:36:58,067
Speaker 3: for the gay New Zealand. We are the best rugby

722
00:36:58,147 --> 00:37:00,747
Speaker 3: team in the country in Super rugby right now, so

723
00:37:01,107 --> 00:37:02,667
Speaker 3: give myself. We're ready.

724
00:37:04,027 --> 00:37:06,227
Speaker 2: I'm happy to send any and all plot. It's your white.

725
00:37:06,467 --> 00:37:09,627
Speaker 2: I thought that last night, and in fact, across the

726
00:37:09,707 --> 00:37:11,467
Speaker 2: season it's fifteen wins out of seventeen.

727
00:37:11,547 --> 00:37:11,747
Speaker 14: Mate.

728
00:37:11,947 --> 00:37:12,787
Speaker 2: You can't argue with it.

729
00:37:13,907 --> 00:37:16,587
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, and you know after Hurricanes are the one

730
00:37:16,627 --> 00:37:19,827
Speaker 3: who knows where they would have went. But congratulations was

731
00:37:19,987 --> 00:37:22,507
Speaker 3: totally happy. But let's get into the all Blacks. He's

732
00:37:22,547 --> 00:37:26,347
Speaker 3: talked about Sam Perry. Yeah, I field producer. I actually

733
00:37:26,387 --> 00:37:28,547
Speaker 3: picked him at the start of the year. I'm just

734
00:37:28,627 --> 00:37:30,747
Speaker 3: a fan of nobody, but I picked him because I

735
00:37:30,787 --> 00:37:33,547
Speaker 3: saw the potential he had and you know, for once

736
00:37:34,627 --> 00:37:37,067
Speaker 3: we finally stole the player from Canterbury because how many

737
00:37:37,307 --> 00:37:40,947
Speaker 3: or Blacks have, well, how many contemporaries a homework games

738
00:37:41,587 --> 00:37:43,067
Speaker 3: and they've made the All Blacks. So it's good to

739
00:37:43,107 --> 00:37:44,107
Speaker 3: get one over them, isn't it.

740
00:37:44,587 --> 00:37:47,267
Speaker 2: Absolutely Yeah, he's a good young kid, isn't he. You know,

741
00:37:47,427 --> 00:37:50,187
Speaker 2: he has come up there, He's obviously, you know, come

742
00:37:50,307 --> 00:37:54,347
Speaker 2: under the stewardship of Vern Cotter and it's just totally

743
00:37:54,427 --> 00:37:56,147
Speaker 2: brought into what it's all about up there with a

744
00:37:56,507 --> 00:37:59,707
Speaker 2: really strong set piece and a forward dominated game. And

745
00:38:00,107 --> 00:38:02,627
Speaker 2: he's been great. He has been really, really, really good.

746
00:38:03,547 --> 00:38:05,747
Speaker 3: Exactly. Man. I don't know if you watched the Springbok

747
00:38:05,787 --> 00:38:07,387
Speaker 3: game this morning, because they actually had a game of

748
00:38:07,427 --> 00:38:10,307
Speaker 3: its well, but it was very similar to how the

749
00:38:10,347 --> 00:38:14,387
Speaker 3: Blues plays. I think they dismantled Whales by about thirty points.

750
00:38:14,827 --> 00:38:16,787
Speaker 3: I was watching and I was singing, man, I could

751
00:38:16,827 --> 00:38:18,147
Speaker 3: have been watching the Blues last night.

752
00:38:19,307 --> 00:38:21,107
Speaker 2: Did you see the school Did you see the score

753
00:38:21,187 --> 00:38:26,187
Speaker 2: between between Japan? Eddie Jones's first game for as Japan

754
00:38:26,307 --> 00:38:27,707
Speaker 2: coach in England. Did you see the score?

755
00:38:28,507 --> 00:38:31,307
Speaker 3: Yes, I said that Eddie's taking his form from the

756
00:38:31,387 --> 00:38:35,867
Speaker 3: one of his own. There's no surprises there, but I

757
00:38:35,867 --> 00:38:38,187
Speaker 3: don't read too much since that. I think you know,

758
00:38:38,267 --> 00:38:41,147
Speaker 3: it's it's pretty much just the priest. Well, England's going

759
00:38:41,227 --> 00:38:44,027
Speaker 3: through their phase that they did one of the six nations.

760
00:38:44,547 --> 00:38:47,427
Speaker 3: They're going to come over here pretty bat or hardened. Mate. Yeah,

761
00:38:47,467 --> 00:38:50,747
Speaker 3: but I think I think Raiser is just a cut about.

762
00:38:51,427 --> 00:38:53,867
Speaker 3: They might struggle in the first but then the next

763
00:38:53,907 --> 00:38:56,507
Speaker 3: one you'll come through. Say, I'm pretty confident, good man.

764
00:38:56,587 --> 00:38:58,467
Speaker 2: Tim. Hey, we'll enjoy the enjoy the rest of the

765
00:38:58,547 --> 00:39:02,107
Speaker 2: weekend and luxuriating this Blues triumph. May you deserve it?

766
00:39:02,987 --> 00:39:05,387
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I have to because the Warriors got smashed

767
00:39:05,427 --> 00:39:07,067
Speaker 3: laugh night he stated it.

768
00:39:07,707 --> 00:39:10,027
Speaker 2: They certainly did. Yeah, we'll touch on them after one

769
00:39:10,027 --> 00:39:12,147
Speaker 2: o'clock as well. Great to jet to you, Tim, Thanks mate, Right,

770
00:39:12,587 --> 00:39:15,427
Speaker 2: Andy has sent me his team. All right, what have

771
00:39:15,507 --> 00:39:15,867
Speaker 2: you gone with?

772
00:39:15,947 --> 00:39:16,107
Speaker 10: Mate?

773
00:39:16,347 --> 00:39:19,827
Speaker 2: De Grout Taylor Newall, So you're leaving Tyra Lomax out

774
00:39:19,867 --> 00:39:26,787
Speaker 2: for starters Dowry and Barrett, Female Blackadder, Savia pet Nada, Mackenzie,

775
00:39:27,067 --> 00:39:30,387
Speaker 2: Barrett and Joanni in midfield, Talaya, Reese and Love. Although

776
00:39:30,387 --> 00:39:33,227
Speaker 2: you've got a footnote here. If Josh Morby wasn't leaving

777
00:39:33,267 --> 00:39:34,427
Speaker 2: it have Josh Morby in there.

778
00:39:34,307 --> 00:39:34,547
Speaker 15: Would you?

779
00:39:34,867 --> 00:39:35,067
Speaker 7: Yeah?

780
00:39:35,467 --> 00:39:37,587
Speaker 16: I really enjoyed watching him this year, and I mean

781
00:39:37,987 --> 00:39:40,387
Speaker 16: you're even more so Piney. He was scoring a truckload

782
00:39:40,427 --> 00:39:42,267
Speaker 16: of tries for your Hurricane.

783
00:39:42,307 --> 00:39:42,347
Speaker 13: No.

784
00:39:42,507 --> 00:39:45,547
Speaker 16: Yeah, I really like Josh Morby. But by nature of leaving,

785
00:39:45,587 --> 00:39:48,467
Speaker 16: I imagine they probably won't include him. No, they won't,

786
00:39:48,867 --> 00:39:51,547
Speaker 16: They won't, and he's I mean, it's a pretty stacked

787
00:39:51,627 --> 00:39:53,907
Speaker 16: look at the back. Three options depending on what you

788
00:39:53,987 --> 00:39:56,467
Speaker 16: do with Boden Barrett and Stephen Pettifetter in terms of

789
00:39:56,747 --> 00:40:00,147
Speaker 16: how you classed them. Caleb Clark, Reuben Love, at Tenny Nanai,

790
00:40:00,227 --> 00:40:03,547
Speaker 16: Satuto I Morni Nada, Severa, Ree, Shawn Stevenson, Mark Talaya.

791
00:40:03,787 --> 00:40:05,347
Speaker 16: There are a lot of good outside.

792
00:40:05,027 --> 00:40:07,787
Speaker 2: Backs, absolutely, and does will Jordan get healthy again as well?

793
00:40:08,507 --> 00:40:10,627
Speaker 2: Exactly another one there who's going to come back And

794
00:40:10,707 --> 00:40:13,827
Speaker 2: almost certainly you know, stay acclaim for that fullback jersey,

795
00:40:13,907 --> 00:40:15,787
Speaker 2: right because that's where Razor played him all the time

796
00:40:16,067 --> 00:40:18,267
Speaker 2: for the Crusaders. Yeah, David harvillly as well, if you

797
00:40:18,307 --> 00:40:21,307
Speaker 2: wanted to Havili. Yes, of course. Yeah, here's my fifteen

798
00:40:21,707 --> 00:40:25,187
Speaker 2: de group, Taylor Lomax two, weep a lot to Barrett,

799
00:40:25,787 --> 00:40:33,467
Speaker 2: that's Scott Barrett, Captain Fenale, Papa, Li, Savia, Petonata Mackenzie, Jordi, Barrett, Rico, Jowanni, Reese,

800
00:40:33,667 --> 00:40:37,347
Speaker 2: Talaya and Love. That is my fifteen don't forget. You

801
00:40:37,387 --> 00:40:39,707
Speaker 2: can watch live coverage of Scott Robertson's first ever all

802
00:40:39,747 --> 00:40:42,467
Speaker 2: Black squad announcement for the upcoming Test matches against England

803
00:40:42,547 --> 00:40:45,467
Speaker 2: and Fiji on Sky Sport One and stream on Sky

804
00:40:45,547 --> 00:40:48,467
Speaker 2: Sport Now from five thirty tomorrow. We think Jeff Wilson

805
00:40:48,747 --> 00:40:51,147
Speaker 2: for making himself available this afternoon seven to one. US

806
00:40:51,187 --> 00:40:51,507
Speaker 2: talks in.

807
00:40:51,587 --> 00:40:56,587
Speaker 1: Boons from the Track, Fields and the Court on your

808
00:40:56,667 --> 00:41:00,867
Speaker 1: home of Sport Weekend Sport with Jason Vine US Talks.

809
00:41:00,747 --> 00:41:04,787
Speaker 2: B four to one. Graham Minty mead Our chiefs Commentator

810
00:41:04,827 --> 00:41:08,267
Speaker 2: has sent through his fifteen group Taylor Lomax, vit Ye,

811
00:41:08,627 --> 00:41:12,987
Speaker 2: Scott Barrett, Fenale, Savia and Jacobson at number eight, Christian McKenzie,

812
00:41:13,187 --> 00:41:16,147
Speaker 2: Jeordie Barrett and Antonin Leonnett Brown. So Minty has dropped Rick,

813
00:41:16,227 --> 00:41:19,387
Speaker 2: Are you Wani Sevu Reese Mark Dealaya and in Morni

814
00:41:19,467 --> 00:41:22,107
Speaker 2: Nudawa at fallback. A bit of a chief's bias. They're grown,

815
00:41:22,427 --> 00:41:25,507
Speaker 2: but that's fair enough. The squat's name. Tomorrow at five

816
00:41:25,507 --> 00:41:29,347
Speaker 2: point thirty after one o'clock will relive the Blues Super

817
00:41:29,467 --> 00:41:30,387
Speaker 2: Rugby victory.

818
00:41:31,147 --> 00:41:31,347
Speaker 17: True.

819
00:41:32,347 --> 00:41:35,147
Speaker 1: It's the only place to discuss the biggest sports issues

820
00:41:35,347 --> 00:41:36,947
Speaker 1: on and afterfield.

821
00:41:37,507 --> 00:41:39,347
Speaker 18: It's all on We jen Ford.

822
00:41:39,147 --> 00:41:42,307
Speaker 1: With Jason Vain on your home of sport.

823
00:41:43,427 --> 00:41:44,107
Speaker 14: US Talk.

824
00:41:45,427 --> 00:41:49,267
Speaker 2: Hello one O seven Jason Pine and producer Andy McDonald

825
00:41:49,307 --> 00:41:51,347
Speaker 2: here until three. In about an hour or so, our

826
00:41:51,427 --> 00:41:54,667
Speaker 2: Road to Paris feature continues. Sir Mark Todd to join

827
00:41:54,787 --> 00:42:00,907
Speaker 2: us seven time Olympian, five time Olympic medalist, two time

828
00:42:00,987 --> 00:42:03,867
Speaker 2: gold medallist aboard Charisma nineteen eighty four and nineteen eighty

829
00:42:03,907 --> 00:42:05,827
Speaker 2: eight in the three day event. Sir Mark Todd, one

830
00:42:05,827 --> 00:42:09,467
Speaker 2: of our true great Olympians, is with us in about

831
00:42:09,507 --> 00:42:11,827
Speaker 2: an hour or so. This hour though, James mcconey at

832
00:42:11,867 --> 00:42:14,587
Speaker 2: the back end of the hour, we will talk about

833
00:42:14,587 --> 00:42:19,627
Speaker 2: the warriors. I feel like we have to quite which

834
00:42:19,707 --> 00:42:23,467
Speaker 2: words we should use. I'm not sure, but man, that

835
00:42:23,867 --> 00:42:30,827
Speaker 2: was quite something, wasn't it on the Gold Coast yesterday afternoon?

836
00:42:32,027 --> 00:42:36,067
Speaker 2: Quite something? You can continue to send your All Blacks

837
00:42:36,067 --> 00:42:38,827
Speaker 2: teams through if you like your fifteen or members of

838
00:42:38,867 --> 00:42:41,707
Speaker 2: the thirty two man squad to be named tomorrow. But

839
00:42:41,787 --> 00:42:43,347
Speaker 2: I do want to zero in on what happened at

840
00:42:43,467 --> 00:42:47,787
Speaker 2: Eden Park last night. Because the Blues are Super Rugby champions.

841
00:42:48,027 --> 00:42:50,587
Speaker 4: It's gonna go over the line. Blue hat have loue

842
00:42:50,627 --> 00:42:54,387
Speaker 4: to hear these words again. The Blues a Super Rugby

843
00:42:54,507 --> 00:42:58,667
Speaker 4: champions for the first time in twenty one years. Day

844
00:42:58,707 --> 00:43:00,947
Speaker 4: demolished the Chiefs send to the final.

845
00:43:01,147 --> 00:43:04,387
Speaker 2: Forty one ten Yeah, absolute demolition job on the Chiefs

846
00:43:04,467 --> 00:43:06,747
Speaker 2: last night, forty one ten five tries to won their

847
00:43:06,867 --> 00:43:10,507
Speaker 2: fifteenth win in seventeen games this season, the Blues and

848
00:43:10,587 --> 00:43:14,947
Speaker 2: their first Super Rugby title in twenty one years. Forty

849
00:43:14,987 --> 00:43:17,667
Speaker 2: five game. All Blacks front rower case Mews was part

850
00:43:17,707 --> 00:43:20,747
Speaker 2: of their Blues title winning side back in two thousand

851
00:43:20,787 --> 00:43:22,987
Speaker 2: and three and he joins us now when you won

852
00:43:23,067 --> 00:43:26,067
Speaker 2: it by beating the Crusaders in two thousand and three, Case,

853
00:43:26,067 --> 00:43:27,587
Speaker 2: I bet you didn't think you'd be wating twenty one

854
00:43:27,667 --> 00:43:28,987
Speaker 2: years before the Blues won it again.

855
00:43:30,027 --> 00:43:33,147
Speaker 8: No, mate, We've come close a few times and we

856
00:43:34,067 --> 00:43:36,947
Speaker 8: had our reunion last year. Twentieth year in the anniversary

857
00:43:37,027 --> 00:43:39,307
Speaker 8: last year. It's good catch up to see a lot

858
00:43:39,347 --> 00:43:42,427
Speaker 8: of the boys. And I'm sure we were all all

859
00:43:42,547 --> 00:43:45,707
Speaker 8: cheering on the Blues last night in that fantastic dominant

860
00:43:45,747 --> 00:43:46,427
Speaker 8: win that they had.

861
00:43:46,867 --> 00:43:48,947
Speaker 2: It was dominant case, wasn't it. How much have you

862
00:43:49,147 --> 00:43:54,067
Speaker 2: enjoyed watching vern Cotter's forward dominated game plan? Rarely pay

863
00:43:54,147 --> 00:43:54,907
Speaker 2: dividends this year.

864
00:43:56,067 --> 00:43:58,147
Speaker 8: I've loved this soul and I think that's what they've

865
00:43:58,187 --> 00:44:01,907
Speaker 8: just been listening, that Ford pack dominatum, which is what

866
00:44:02,147 --> 00:44:05,147
Speaker 8: Auckland were renowned for back in the day when you

867
00:44:05,227 --> 00:44:08,427
Speaker 8: know all around Patrick or all that, or just before

868
00:44:08,507 --> 00:44:10,947
Speaker 8: us when they went up the two Toms prior to

869
00:44:11,067 --> 00:44:13,867
Speaker 8: us winning it in two thousand and three. So yeah,

870
00:44:13,867 --> 00:44:15,507
Speaker 8: I think they've got back to the bread and butter.

871
00:44:15,667 --> 00:44:18,867
Speaker 8: You know, they've got the biggest pack and they just

872
00:44:18,947 --> 00:44:23,507
Speaker 8: speed the way last night. They just dominant in ball, carrying,

873
00:44:23,627 --> 00:44:26,627
Speaker 8: dominant at scrub time, and they just set up that

874
00:44:26,747 --> 00:44:28,987
Speaker 8: back line when they got close to that there's the

875
00:44:29,067 --> 00:44:32,707
Speaker 8: trial line, and then unleashed, unleashed the big backs on

876
00:44:33,027 --> 00:44:37,187
Speaker 8: on onto white cuttle, onto the Chiefs. Yeah.

877
00:44:37,507 --> 00:44:39,547
Speaker 2: How much credit do we need to give vern Cotter

878
00:44:39,667 --> 00:44:41,507
Speaker 2: here for not only coming up with this game plan.

879
00:44:41,827 --> 00:44:44,067
Speaker 2: It's nothing new, but it's it's the game plan he

880
00:44:44,147 --> 00:44:46,907
Speaker 2: settled on, but then also getting them all to buy

881
00:44:47,027 --> 00:44:49,107
Speaker 2: into it for seventeen games.

882
00:44:49,907 --> 00:44:51,907
Speaker 8: Yeah, I can remember all the all the chat at

883
00:44:51,947 --> 00:44:54,067
Speaker 8: the beginning of the season where everyone's going, what's wearn

884
00:44:54,187 --> 00:44:56,547
Speaker 8: up to? What's bearing up to? But I think he

885
00:44:56,667 --> 00:44:58,987
Speaker 8: had a plan and he saw a style that that

886
00:44:59,147 --> 00:45:02,707
Speaker 8: Auckland should be played and he brought it in and

887
00:45:02,907 --> 00:45:05,427
Speaker 8: and the big thing is giving that buying from the players.

888
00:45:05,467 --> 00:45:07,427
Speaker 8: So you know, you can have all the all the

889
00:45:07,467 --> 00:45:09,307
Speaker 8: best ideas as a coach. If you don't get the

890
00:45:09,587 --> 00:45:14,187
Speaker 8: players on board and lead lead to your vision, then

891
00:45:14,907 --> 00:45:17,427
Speaker 8: then you know it can it can go sideways. But

892
00:45:17,547 --> 00:45:20,067
Speaker 8: they all accepted it. They all look like they're having

893
00:45:20,067 --> 00:45:22,107
Speaker 8: a great time out there. Every time I saw the

894
00:45:22,147 --> 00:45:24,707
Speaker 8: Blues play, they just knew, they knew their trade and

895
00:45:24,787 --> 00:45:26,827
Speaker 8: they knew what to do and knew how to win games.

896
00:45:26,867 --> 00:45:29,587
Speaker 8: And you know, I think the loss against Cannbury was

897
00:45:29,587 --> 00:45:31,787
Speaker 8: a really good turning point for the Blues where they

898
00:45:31,947 --> 00:45:36,627
Speaker 8: just focused on on their style and being calm and

899
00:45:36,707 --> 00:45:39,347
Speaker 8: collected and not getting too carried away with the emotion.

900
00:45:39,467 --> 00:45:41,707
Speaker 8: And you saw that last night. They didn't give up.

901
00:45:41,747 --> 00:45:43,987
Speaker 8: They just kept kept trying to get points, get down

902
00:45:44,027 --> 00:45:46,627
Speaker 8: the get down the far end, and you know it

903
00:45:46,707 --> 00:45:48,427
Speaker 8: was it was a fantastic spectacular.

904
00:45:49,307 --> 00:45:50,867
Speaker 2: How much easier would it have been to get the

905
00:45:50,947 --> 00:45:52,867
Speaker 2: buy and when they're doing so well, because you know,

906
00:45:53,027 --> 00:45:54,907
Speaker 2: if you if you're you're banging a drama and and

907
00:45:56,027 --> 00:45:58,427
Speaker 2: your players are playing that tune and you're winning games,

908
00:45:58,467 --> 00:45:59,707
Speaker 2: it must be a heck of a lot easier than

909
00:45:59,867 --> 00:46:02,307
Speaker 2: if you're going through you know, peaks and troughs during

910
00:46:02,347 --> 00:46:02,747
Speaker 2: the season.

911
00:46:03,227 --> 00:46:06,227
Speaker 8: Oh totally. I think the belief came because they were trying,

912
00:46:07,307 --> 00:46:09,427
Speaker 8: and I don't think that this team that they showed

913
00:46:09,507 --> 00:46:13,027
Speaker 8: to last night, that's been building over the whole competition.

914
00:46:13,187 --> 00:46:15,387
Speaker 8: So each game they played, the confidence to play that

915
00:46:15,547 --> 00:46:18,787
Speaker 8: style got bigger, better and stronger, and the belief was there,

916
00:46:18,907 --> 00:46:23,027
Speaker 8: and you know, like that they stuck with it, and

917
00:46:23,147 --> 00:46:25,307
Speaker 8: Burn stuck with it. Didn't he didn't panic, he didn't

918
00:46:25,347 --> 00:46:29,227
Speaker 8: change anything, and and you got that fantastic result last night,

919
00:46:29,267 --> 00:46:35,107
Speaker 8: which was so good to see the Blues. Blues play. Yeah,

920
00:46:35,427 --> 00:46:35,667
Speaker 8: and the.

921
00:46:35,707 --> 00:46:37,987
Speaker 2: Chiefs, I mean, they they've had a like they had

922
00:46:37,987 --> 00:46:40,507
Speaker 2: a brutal semi final against the Hurricanes last week, played

923
00:46:40,547 --> 00:46:43,187
Speaker 2: really well, lost a couple of key players. They were

924
00:46:43,267 --> 00:46:45,667
Speaker 2: just I mean, forty one team looks looks like a

925
00:46:46,107 --> 00:46:48,627
Speaker 2: really convincing when in it was. But you know, what

926
00:46:48,707 --> 00:46:50,427
Speaker 2: did you make of the Chiefs last night? Just outplayed

927
00:46:50,467 --> 00:46:52,267
Speaker 2: but there I.

928
00:46:52,347 --> 00:46:55,427
Speaker 8: Just think that the Blues were just dominant. But I

929
00:46:55,547 --> 00:46:59,747
Speaker 8: think the Chiefs really really gave, you know, gave the all.

930
00:46:59,827 --> 00:47:01,947
Speaker 8: They just a few things didn't go their way, and

931
00:47:02,587 --> 00:47:05,187
Speaker 8: you know you do it is sapping on your on

932
00:47:05,347 --> 00:47:07,027
Speaker 8: your on your big ball is when you have to

933
00:47:07,107 --> 00:47:10,587
Speaker 8: tackle all of the you know, the likes of the

934
00:47:11,067 --> 00:47:14,467
Speaker 8: the Auckland Pack running it and then unleashing that that

935
00:47:14,627 --> 00:47:18,307
Speaker 8: phenomenal back line. I just think they didn't really get

936
00:47:18,307 --> 00:47:20,907
Speaker 8: a chance to show show what they what they really had.

937
00:47:21,147 --> 00:47:26,787
Speaker 8: We saw it last weeks against the Hurricanes, and it's

938
00:47:27,667 --> 00:47:29,027
Speaker 8: it's a hard one because it could have been a

939
00:47:29,067 --> 00:47:32,867
Speaker 8: completely different game if it was a dry track as well. Indeed,

940
00:47:32,907 --> 00:47:37,027
Speaker 8: but super happy that the Blues won. They deserved it

941
00:47:37,067 --> 00:47:39,747
Speaker 8: for a few years now and and to actually win

942
00:47:39,867 --> 00:47:41,947
Speaker 8: the competition out I was just so I'm so proud

943
00:47:41,987 --> 00:47:44,227
Speaker 8: of that franchise and the and the players that were

944
00:47:44,267 --> 00:47:44,587
Speaker 8: out there.

945
00:47:44,947 --> 00:47:46,667
Speaker 2: That's terrific. Just before you go, I was looking at

946
00:47:46,707 --> 00:47:48,947
Speaker 2: that two thousand and three side man, that was some

947
00:47:49,187 --> 00:47:50,547
Speaker 2: side case that you guys had.

948
00:47:51,307 --> 00:47:53,307
Speaker 8: That was a very good side you know. Yeah, that

949
00:47:53,427 --> 00:47:56,787
Speaker 8: back line was lightning, you know, led by Carlos and

950
00:47:57,547 --> 00:48:00,987
Speaker 8: you know feeding feeding the Crusaders was because it was fantastic.

951
00:48:01,067 --> 00:48:03,467
Speaker 8: You know, that was the highlight of of of my

952
00:48:03,587 --> 00:48:06,827
Speaker 8: rugby career. You always have a have a bad towards him,

953
00:48:06,907 --> 00:48:10,067
Speaker 8: and to win a Super twelve with Auckland was was

954
00:48:10,707 --> 00:48:11,347
Speaker 8: was fantastic.

955
00:48:12,187 --> 00:48:14,147
Speaker 2: What was I mean? I've been at a couple of

956
00:48:14,227 --> 00:48:16,587
Speaker 2: events where you and Carlos have both been on panels

957
00:48:16,907 --> 00:48:19,667
Speaker 2: speaking the other. What was he like in a team environment?

958
00:48:19,747 --> 00:48:22,827
Speaker 2: Carlos Pencer very quiet but very.

959
00:48:22,787 --> 00:48:26,707
Speaker 8: Capable like he he you know, he's very shy or

960
00:48:26,787 --> 00:48:30,827
Speaker 8: Carlos and but when when he got the ball in

961
00:48:31,267 --> 00:48:34,187
Speaker 8: his hand, he was the maestro and every everyone would

962
00:48:34,227 --> 00:48:36,867
Speaker 8: play off him, you know, and he would raise raise

963
00:48:36,987 --> 00:48:40,267
Speaker 8: that that that back line he'd pulled something out of

964
00:48:40,427 --> 00:48:42,747
Speaker 8: out of out of his bag of magic tricks and

965
00:48:43,387 --> 00:48:46,387
Speaker 8: he'd set that back line on fire. And it was

966
00:48:46,427 --> 00:48:48,747
Speaker 8: such a pleasure to be in front row looking up

967
00:48:48,827 --> 00:48:51,827
Speaker 8: and senior back line running running in under the posts

968
00:48:51,907 --> 00:48:54,547
Speaker 8: and yeah, yeah, you know that if you did your

969
00:48:54,627 --> 00:48:56,467
Speaker 8: job and gave them clean ball that they were going

970
00:48:56,547 --> 00:48:59,827
Speaker 8: to do this, so you know it was, it was.

971
00:49:00,227 --> 00:49:02,667
Speaker 8: It was a pleasure playing with the Blues. Brilliant.

972
00:49:02,827 --> 00:49:04,907
Speaker 2: Okay's great to chat mate, Thanks for taking our calls,

973
00:49:04,987 --> 00:49:10,667
Speaker 2: right yeah. The Blues indeed case case News their member

974
00:49:10,707 --> 00:49:13,347
Speaker 2: of the two thousand and three title winning side. I

975
00:49:13,467 --> 00:49:15,627
Speaker 2: read this team out yesterday and it is it is

976
00:49:15,747 --> 00:49:20,147
Speaker 2: some team. Manu Milamu muse with the front row, Ellie Williams,

977
00:49:20,187 --> 00:49:23,707
Speaker 2: Angus McDonald with the locks, Justin Collins, Dan Braid, Xavier

978
00:49:23,747 --> 00:49:26,227
Speaker 2: Rushed the Lucy's, David Gibson and Carlos Spencer, the Haves,

979
00:49:26,587 --> 00:49:29,827
Speaker 2: Sam tytu Port, Mills, Mulliina in the centers, Rico Gear,

980
00:49:29,987 --> 00:49:32,427
Speaker 2: Joe Rocothoco, Doug Howlett. How's that for a back three?

981
00:49:32,787 --> 00:49:35,827
Speaker 2: And then on the bench that night, least tenseness or

982
00:49:35,827 --> 00:49:39,347
Speaker 2: any i e. Craig McGrath, Mossy two Elite, Brad Meeker,

983
00:49:39,387 --> 00:49:42,747
Speaker 2: Tony Woodcock, Darren Woodkim what a team, What a team?

984
00:49:42,987 --> 00:49:46,827
Speaker 2: Twenty one years on the Blues of twenty twenty four,

985
00:49:48,347 --> 00:49:51,347
Speaker 2: emulate them. How was the game last night?

986
00:49:51,387 --> 00:49:51,587
Speaker 3: Mark?

987
00:49:51,627 --> 00:49:52,307
Speaker 2: Did you enjoy it?

988
00:49:53,467 --> 00:49:54,107
Speaker 9: Old man?

989
00:49:55,107 --> 00:49:58,947
Speaker 6: My seventeen points was a little bit out one note, Yes,

990
00:49:59,347 --> 00:49:59,747
Speaker 6: yes it was.

991
00:50:00,067 --> 00:50:02,627
Speaker 2: Was it thirty one? Thirty one points in the ear?

992
00:50:03,427 --> 00:50:03,667
Speaker 9: Yeah?

993
00:50:04,827 --> 00:50:06,027
Speaker 8: A couple of things day.

994
00:50:06,147 --> 00:50:11,107
Speaker 9: So, first of all, one player, I thought, when you

995
00:50:11,187 --> 00:50:12,787
Speaker 9: look at the stats.

996
00:50:13,667 --> 00:50:14,307
Speaker 5: Maybe.

997
00:50:15,907 --> 00:50:17,147
Speaker 9: The other players.

998
00:50:18,747 --> 00:50:21,867
Speaker 19: I did the work for him. But Papa Ledi his

999
00:50:22,027 --> 00:50:24,627
Speaker 19: peckle camp I think was close to one hundred percent,

1000
00:50:25,947 --> 00:50:31,307
Speaker 19: but his meters gained and possession were in single figures.

1001
00:50:31,427 --> 00:50:32,267
Speaker 9: Am I right there?

1002
00:50:33,467 --> 00:50:34,947
Speaker 2: I haven't got the numbers in front of me, Mark,

1003
00:50:34,947 --> 00:50:37,867
Speaker 2: I'll try and look them up. So, but so you're

1004
00:50:37,867 --> 00:50:39,347
Speaker 2: saying that he didn't carry the ball of all?

1005
00:50:39,467 --> 00:50:39,587
Speaker 3: Is that?

1006
00:50:39,627 --> 00:50:40,707
Speaker 2: What is that the point you're making.

1007
00:50:41,507 --> 00:50:45,667
Speaker 19: I'm probably probably saying that everybody else did their job

1008
00:50:46,707 --> 00:50:51,667
Speaker 19: and what he did he did. He's okay, Yeah, Yeah,

1009
00:50:52,227 --> 00:50:54,107
Speaker 19: I love the guy Pabe Ledi, I already do.

1010
00:50:54,707 --> 00:50:56,667
Speaker 3: I think he's He's very good.

1011
00:50:56,787 --> 00:51:02,027
Speaker 19: But no, the actual the whole night case, the halftime show,

1012
00:51:03,067 --> 00:51:06,227
Speaker 19: the crowd and a lot of children there and.

1013
00:51:07,227 --> 00:51:09,307
Speaker 8: It was absolutely spectacular.

1014
00:51:09,827 --> 00:51:12,907
Speaker 19: To be honest, Jason, I've only been to I've been

1015
00:51:12,947 --> 00:51:15,147
Speaker 19: to Eaton Park a lot of times, watch Ramfley shield

1016
00:51:15,467 --> 00:51:20,027
Speaker 19: back in the seventies eighties. Yeah, I've only ever been

1017
00:51:20,107 --> 00:51:23,027
Speaker 19: to two Test matches and both those test matches.

1018
00:51:23,227 --> 00:51:25,267
Speaker 8: We've lost, and that was when Cornelson.

1019
00:51:25,987 --> 00:51:28,467
Speaker 19: That was when corn Nelson scored the four tries against

1020
00:51:28,507 --> 00:51:33,147
Speaker 19: the All Blacks. Yes, and that was also when ville

1021
00:51:33,227 --> 00:51:36,187
Speaker 19: Peru kicked that penalty to get the fourteen all draw.

1022
00:51:38,467 --> 00:51:39,707
Speaker 2: Were you there that guy as well?

1023
00:51:40,547 --> 00:51:40,787
Speaker 9: Yes?

1024
00:51:41,907 --> 00:51:44,747
Speaker 19: I think that was just inside his own heart on

1025
00:51:44,867 --> 00:51:48,067
Speaker 19: the sideline, if I can remember correctly.

1026
00:51:49,147 --> 00:51:50,907
Speaker 2: I thought that game was an athletic park.

1027
00:51:52,107 --> 00:51:53,627
Speaker 19: Was it athletic or Eden Park?

1028
00:51:53,947 --> 00:51:53,987
Speaker 10: No?

1029
00:51:54,147 --> 00:51:56,547
Speaker 2: I think the ville per kick was an athletic park.

1030
00:51:56,787 --> 00:51:57,867
Speaker 2: I'm almost certain of it.

1031
00:51:58,427 --> 00:51:59,907
Speaker 19: Okay, Well I was there anyway, I.

1032
00:52:01,387 --> 00:52:01,707
Speaker 10: Know that.

1033
00:52:04,147 --> 00:52:04,347
Speaker 9: Yeah.

1034
00:52:04,667 --> 00:52:09,427
Speaker 19: But last night mate, absolutely brilliant. And the restaurant's and

1035
00:52:09,507 --> 00:52:11,667
Speaker 19: the bars around that area now, like I haven't been

1036
00:52:11,747 --> 00:52:15,227
Speaker 19: to Auckland since I came back in two sixteen. Wow,

1037
00:52:15,667 --> 00:52:18,587
Speaker 19: I went to an Italian restaurant and the food which

1038
00:52:18,627 --> 00:52:23,267
Speaker 19: is absolutely beautiful and not overly priced.

1039
00:52:24,427 --> 00:52:26,347
Speaker 2: Good Man, Mark, I'm glad you had a great night.

1040
00:52:26,987 --> 00:52:31,747
Speaker 2: And you're right about Papaali. He is a terrific player,

1041
00:52:32,667 --> 00:52:35,267
Speaker 2: has long been a terrific player for me. I think

1042
00:52:35,347 --> 00:52:38,147
Speaker 2: gets first DIBs on the seven jersey for the All

1043
00:52:38,187 --> 00:52:41,227
Speaker 2: Blacks has to really. I think he's sort of been

1044
00:52:41,987 --> 00:52:43,747
Speaker 2: always in and around the All Blacks and will always

1045
00:52:43,787 --> 00:52:45,107
Speaker 2: be a part of the All Blacks. You'd have to

1046
00:52:45,147 --> 00:52:49,867
Speaker 2: think for the next little while. Because he's versatile, he's robust,

1047
00:52:50,587 --> 00:52:55,387
Speaker 2: he's fully committed, he's a terrific player. I think he

1048
00:52:55,467 --> 00:52:58,147
Speaker 2: wears the seven jersey for the All Blacks or gets

1049
00:52:58,147 --> 00:53:00,347
Speaker 2: the ownership of it to start with the season anyway,

1050
00:53:01,227 --> 00:53:05,467
Speaker 2: because he is a tremendous part of that Blue side.

1051
00:53:05,987 --> 00:53:09,427
Speaker 2: And obviously Patrick Twey pilotus the captain, but when he

1052
00:53:09,507 --> 00:53:12,987
Speaker 2: went off and Puppily took over, and when Patty Tuops

1053
00:53:12,987 --> 00:53:17,107
Speaker 2: hasn't been there, paply Man, Yeah, can't say enough about

1054
00:53:17,147 --> 00:53:19,827
Speaker 2: the guy. I think he's a huge part of the

1055
00:53:19,867 --> 00:53:21,747
Speaker 2: Blue success. How are you, Chris?

1056
00:53:23,187 --> 00:53:23,387
Speaker 7: Yeah?

1057
00:53:23,427 --> 00:53:23,787
Speaker 9: Really good?

1058
00:53:23,787 --> 00:53:24,107
Speaker 10: How are you?

1059
00:53:24,627 --> 00:53:25,147
Speaker 2: Very good things?

1060
00:53:25,227 --> 00:53:25,387
Speaker 8: Chris?

1061
00:53:26,867 --> 00:53:29,627
Speaker 14: Look, I guess obviously I was at the game last night,

1062
00:53:29,707 --> 00:53:32,827
Speaker 14: and you know, I've loved the Blues and Autorn rugby

1063
00:53:32,907 --> 00:53:34,667
Speaker 14: for all of my life, and my dad was obviously

1064
00:53:34,747 --> 00:53:37,827
Speaker 14: the same as well. But look, I think last night's performance,

1065
00:53:37,947 --> 00:53:39,787
Speaker 14: I guess if we're looking at the All Blacks team

1066
00:53:39,827 --> 00:53:40,987
Speaker 14: and we're looking at him, and there's been a lot

1067
00:53:41,027 --> 00:53:42,867
Speaker 14: of selectious talk this morning, and I love your show.

1068
00:53:42,907 --> 00:53:43,267
Speaker 3: By the way.

1069
00:53:43,707 --> 00:53:46,267
Speaker 14: But I guess I look at it and go if

1070
00:53:46,307 --> 00:53:48,867
Speaker 14: you're looking at it at performance, and if you're looking

1071
00:53:48,907 --> 00:53:51,787
Speaker 14: at at who is foreman, who is dominant? What really

1072
00:53:51,827 --> 00:53:53,547
Speaker 14: annoys me? And I know that you know he's been

1073
00:53:53,587 --> 00:53:56,627
Speaker 14: a polarizing guy for some people, but a Kira last

1074
00:53:56,747 --> 00:53:59,627
Speaker 14: night was without a doubt, the best player, or for

1075
00:53:59,707 --> 00:54:01,267
Speaker 14: a large part of the game, the best player on

1076
00:54:01,307 --> 00:54:04,547
Speaker 14: the field that first half. What he did there statistically

1077
00:54:04,747 --> 00:54:07,067
Speaker 14: was just ridiculous. And if you actually want chiming the game,

1078
00:54:07,467 --> 00:54:09,267
Speaker 14: he hits more ruck than anyone. I mean, he had

1079
00:54:09,307 --> 00:54:12,787
Speaker 14: more carries than anyone. He set up, you know, the

1080
00:54:12,867 --> 00:54:16,547
Speaker 14: first try, set up the second try with two. You know,

1081
00:54:16,827 --> 00:54:18,747
Speaker 14: he came round the back, took the ball once, got

1082
00:54:18,787 --> 00:54:20,547
Speaker 14: it out to his father, and then got the ball

1083
00:54:20,627 --> 00:54:24,547
Speaker 14: back again. I mean, why why is he now where

1084
00:54:24,587 --> 00:54:28,227
Speaker 14: he was absolutely dominated last night? Why is he the

1085
00:54:28,307 --> 00:54:30,387
Speaker 14: first tip? Why why are you selecting him where if

1086
00:54:30,387 --> 00:54:32,547
Speaker 14: you look at statistically through the whole season, the curist

1087
00:54:32,587 --> 00:54:34,867
Speaker 14: dominated him, and any the game in the last round

1088
00:54:34,947 --> 00:54:37,707
Speaker 14: robin play dominated him. Like why why is the Kura

1089
00:54:37,827 --> 00:54:39,387
Speaker 14: not talked to Gout? I understand it's going over the

1090
00:54:39,467 --> 00:54:42,387
Speaker 14: Citas and he might end up playing for Japan, you.

1091
00:54:42,387 --> 00:54:44,587
Speaker 8: Know, so like where where where?

1092
00:54:44,627 --> 00:54:47,307
Speaker 14: And how are we making decisions based on formal performance

1093
00:54:47,387 --> 00:54:49,387
Speaker 14: or were just taking like throwing a dart at the

1094
00:54:49,387 --> 00:54:50,507
Speaker 14: board and seeing who's going to get that?

1095
00:54:50,627 --> 00:54:54,547
Speaker 2: Sick what I say on my rationales as I look

1096
00:54:54,547 --> 00:54:56,987
Speaker 2: at a kidder Yowani's performances in the All Blacks Jersey

1097
00:54:57,067 --> 00:55:00,827
Speaker 2: up until now and he he, I think you'd probably

1098
00:55:00,867 --> 00:55:04,387
Speaker 2: agree chrisse he hasn't grasped that opportunity when it's been

1099
00:55:04,387 --> 00:55:04,987
Speaker 2: given to him.

1100
00:55:06,787 --> 00:55:09,547
Speaker 14: I think there hasn't been consistency. I think people look

1101
00:55:09,627 --> 00:55:12,307
Speaker 14: through what and I if we don't remember the Brigislow

1102
00:55:12,347 --> 00:55:13,867
Speaker 14: Cut series a couple of years ago.

1103
00:55:14,667 --> 00:55:16,947
Speaker 15: He absolutely destroyed.

1104
00:55:16,427 --> 00:55:18,507
Speaker 14: Australia in that series, do you know what I mean?

1105
00:55:18,587 --> 00:55:20,427
Speaker 14: Like single handlely in one of those games, he just

1106
00:55:20,507 --> 00:55:23,587
Speaker 14: literally and he's had some phenomenal performances and he never

1107
00:55:23,667 --> 00:55:26,947
Speaker 14: gets beaten backwards. I think we haven't had a six.

1108
00:55:27,027 --> 00:55:28,747
Speaker 14: So Ethan black at It is a great player, but

1109
00:55:28,787 --> 00:55:31,507
Speaker 14: I don't think he's a six. And he's very fragile, right,

1110
00:55:31,587 --> 00:55:34,107
Speaker 14: so he's had, you know, and I wish him the best.

1111
00:55:34,187 --> 00:55:37,067
Speaker 14: I wish that and I love Scott Robinson, right, I

1112
00:55:37,147 --> 00:55:39,827
Speaker 14: think he should have been the coach back then, and

1113
00:55:39,907 --> 00:55:42,227
Speaker 14: I obviously I love Graham Henry and I have there

1114
00:55:42,227 --> 00:55:44,707
Speaker 14: against him a little bit. But look, ultimately a Kira

1115
00:55:45,107 --> 00:55:49,067
Speaker 14: needs consistency, and right now he is the statistically and

1116
00:55:49,147 --> 00:55:51,227
Speaker 14: non performance of the best six in the country. Like

1117
00:55:51,387 --> 00:55:54,787
Speaker 14: you can't not say that, Like well, but based.

1118
00:55:54,547 --> 00:55:56,187
Speaker 2: On the numbers, Based on the numbers, Chriss, I think

1119
00:55:56,187 --> 00:56:00,187
Speaker 2: you're probably right, yes, and the I think you're also right,

1120
00:56:00,267 --> 00:56:02,147
Speaker 2: and that the fact that he's going to Japan now

1121
00:56:02,907 --> 00:56:07,707
Speaker 2: may in many ways rule him out of contention. Let's

1122
00:56:07,747 --> 00:56:09,107
Speaker 2: just say that they're not going to pick him. Who

1123
00:56:09,147 --> 00:56:11,027
Speaker 2: would you pick at six for the first test?

1124
00:56:12,827 --> 00:56:16,907
Speaker 14: Look, that's just incredibly I mean, I'm obviously I love

1125
00:56:16,947 --> 00:56:18,387
Speaker 14: a curer, so it's hard for me to say. But

1126
00:56:18,747 --> 00:56:21,507
Speaker 14: of course I think it will be black att it

1127
00:56:21,667 --> 00:56:23,587
Speaker 14: just because I think that's just the route that Scott

1128
00:56:23,707 --> 00:56:26,467
Speaker 14: Robertson will take. But I think black Hatder will get

1129
00:56:26,587 --> 00:56:29,067
Speaker 14: man handled by England. I think that what we forget

1130
00:56:29,107 --> 00:56:31,147
Speaker 14: about is that we want to win the series right

1131
00:56:31,467 --> 00:56:35,467
Speaker 14: and forward pack, especially that loose Ford they're big boys,

1132
00:56:35,827 --> 00:56:38,747
Speaker 14: like they're significantly bigger in size, and the thing was

1133
00:56:38,827 --> 00:56:41,027
Speaker 14: the Curate. I think he's probably still one of the quickest,

1134
00:56:41,067 --> 00:56:43,227
Speaker 14: if not the quickest forwards in New Zealand rugby. But

1135
00:56:43,307 --> 00:56:46,947
Speaker 14: he's also huge, like his whole body, and I think

1136
00:56:46,987 --> 00:56:49,067
Speaker 14: we're going to get pushed around. I just honestly think

1137
00:56:49,507 --> 00:56:52,307
Speaker 14: Artie's a phenomenal plan. But he's not overly big either

1138
00:56:52,387 --> 00:56:55,147
Speaker 14: for the position, you know, and you know seven, you

1139
00:56:55,227 --> 00:56:56,347
Speaker 14: know you can be a little bit small and a

1140
00:56:56,387 --> 00:56:58,187
Speaker 14: little bit more dynamic. I just think that we're going

1141
00:56:58,267 --> 00:57:00,227
Speaker 14: to get into some problems in that forward pack if

1142
00:57:00,307 --> 00:57:03,427
Speaker 14: we don't look at winning the actual Test series rather

1143
00:57:03,467 --> 00:57:05,747
Speaker 14: than looking too far ahead of ourself. Because look for

1144
00:57:05,907 --> 00:57:09,347
Speaker 14: at last year, you know so, and he went overseas,

1145
00:57:09,427 --> 00:57:11,907
Speaker 14: So look, ultimately, I don't think he will be picked,

1146
00:57:11,907 --> 00:57:13,987
Speaker 14: which is hard for me to say, but you know,

1147
00:57:14,027 --> 00:57:15,747
Speaker 14: and I wish him all the best. But look, getting

1148
00:57:15,787 --> 00:57:18,267
Speaker 14: back to the Blues as that game last night, for me,

1149
00:57:18,467 --> 00:57:20,427
Speaker 14: I was at three. I was there through the glory

1150
00:57:20,547 --> 00:57:23,187
Speaker 14: days in the late eighties and nineties with no provincial

1151
00:57:23,387 --> 00:57:27,467
Speaker 14: just dominance. But that performance last night, if anyone could

1152
00:57:27,507 --> 00:57:30,747
Speaker 14: not say that they deserved it throughout the season, I mean,

1153
00:57:30,987 --> 00:57:32,907
Speaker 14: you know, you look at the breakdown as a show, right,

1154
00:57:32,987 --> 00:57:36,147
Speaker 14: which was the after last week's semi finals they spent

1155
00:57:36,267 --> 00:57:38,187
Speaker 14: maybe a minute on Auckland, right, there was no one

1156
00:57:38,227 --> 00:57:40,347
Speaker 14: on Auckland on that panel, and they spent the rest

1157
00:57:40,387 --> 00:57:41,627
Speaker 14: on the Chiefs, and there was a lot of talk

1158
00:57:41,707 --> 00:57:43,227
Speaker 14: up with Chiefs and you wanted to do that, but

1159
00:57:43,387 --> 00:57:47,067
Speaker 14: that was just an absolute dominant performance of well rounded

1160
00:57:47,147 --> 00:57:48,867
Speaker 14: rugby and they never had a shot at it. So

1161
00:57:49,587 --> 00:57:51,347
Speaker 14: I mean, I'm proud of them and thank you for

1162
00:57:51,427 --> 00:57:52,427
Speaker 14: your show and what you do.

1163
00:57:52,587 --> 00:57:55,747
Speaker 2: But yet that's my best, no, Chris, fantastic points well made.

1164
00:57:56,187 --> 00:57:58,067
Speaker 2: Thanks mate, thanks for calling in. Please call back again.

1165
00:57:58,547 --> 00:58:00,787
Speaker 2: And you're right, there's no one who watched that game

1166
00:58:00,867 --> 00:58:04,067
Speaker 2: last night who could deny that the Blues weren't worthy

1167
00:58:04,107 --> 00:58:06,987
Speaker 2: one Ers absolutely dominated and all fasts of the game.

1168
00:58:07,347 --> 00:58:08,947
Speaker 2: And I love the fact that a Kider you only

1169
00:58:08,987 --> 00:58:12,307
Speaker 2: got a lovely ovation when he departed. He has been

1170
00:58:12,347 --> 00:58:15,387
Speaker 2: a great servant for that team. I think your point

1171
00:58:15,427 --> 00:58:17,907
Speaker 2: about England's interesting too, and that I think that that's

1172
00:58:17,947 --> 00:58:19,707
Speaker 2: another reason i'd pick some a penny fee now at

1173
00:58:19,747 --> 00:58:22,787
Speaker 2: six is because he's a big body, you know, bigger

1174
00:58:22,787 --> 00:58:24,587
Speaker 2: than some of the others who are in the conversation.

1175
00:58:24,747 --> 00:58:27,867
Speaker 2: Great to chat to you, Chris, Thanks for taking the time.

1176
00:58:28,227 --> 00:58:32,187
Speaker 2: One twenty four is Afghanistan a playing Australia in the

1177
00:58:32,427 --> 00:58:35,867
Speaker 2: Super rights at the T twenty World Cup, and currently

1178
00:58:35,947 --> 00:58:39,027
Speaker 2: Afghanistan are ninety without loss in the thirteenth over, so

1179
00:58:39,067 --> 00:58:41,587
Speaker 2: they're not going along at more than about seven and

1180
00:58:41,667 --> 00:58:45,427
Speaker 2: a bit, but ninety without loss Afghanistan against Australia in

1181
00:58:45,467 --> 00:58:48,907
Speaker 2: the Super eights. We'll keep an eye on that for you.

1182
00:58:50,547 --> 00:58:53,227
Speaker 2: We probably need to address the Warriors. He's great, chilly

1183
00:58:53,787 --> 00:58:54,547
Speaker 2: and he gives.

1184
00:58:54,347 --> 00:58:55,027
Speaker 13: The ball away.

1185
00:58:55,667 --> 00:59:01,227
Speaker 12: Lucky can't per. He turns his first hat trick into four.

1186
00:59:02,067 --> 00:59:06,787
Speaker 12: There's the icing on top. He begs it over. It

1187
00:59:07,067 --> 00:59:14,907
Speaker 12: is sixty six points to six. A record breaking afternoon

1188
00:59:15,427 --> 00:59:20,587
Speaker 12: on the Gold Coasts. Loffy can Pereira with four tier

1189
00:59:20,667 --> 00:59:24,307
Speaker 12: and four and winding back the clock in sublime form.

1190
00:59:24,867 --> 00:59:31,987
Speaker 12: The veteran coach delighted, the fans ecstatic, and the Warriors.

1191
00:59:31,907 --> 00:59:36,147
Speaker 2: Well, what do you say? What do you say? It's

1192
00:59:36,187 --> 00:59:42,827
Speaker 2: a very good question, absolutely inexplicable, almost impossible to explain.

1193
00:59:44,147 --> 00:59:46,747
Speaker 2: The joint biggest defeat in the history of the club,

1194
00:59:46,867 --> 00:59:49,067
Speaker 2: equalling the loss of the Storm two years ago. But

1195
00:59:49,187 --> 00:59:51,667
Speaker 2: that was a Storm team that was top of the

1196
00:59:51,747 --> 00:59:56,707
Speaker 2: comp against a comparatively weak Warrior's side. During the COVID period.

1197
00:59:58,387 --> 01:00:00,787
Speaker 2: Last night's defeat was to the team at the bottom

1198
01:00:01,387 --> 01:00:06,267
Speaker 2: of the NRL Ladder, and the Warriors team was pretty solid.

1199
01:00:06,867 --> 01:00:08,387
Speaker 2: You look through it and yes they were missing a

1200
01:00:08,427 --> 01:00:12,547
Speaker 2: couple of origin and Delan martenis a Lesniak was suspended

1201
01:00:12,587 --> 01:00:14,427
Speaker 2: and Rocker Berry wasn't there. But you look down that

1202
01:00:14,467 --> 01:00:19,147
Speaker 2: team list Nicol Klukstar two of us A check back, Pompey, Montoya,

1203
01:00:19,267 --> 01:00:23,147
Speaker 2: Johnson for no Blake, Egan, Ford, Harris all there effectively

1204
01:00:23,227 --> 01:00:26,587
Speaker 2: the same group of players who finished in the top

1205
01:00:26,627 --> 01:00:29,667
Speaker 2: four last season. Try and make sense of that. You

1206
01:00:29,827 --> 01:00:31,307
Speaker 2: might not be able to, but if you'd like to

1207
01:00:32,427 --> 01:00:34,587
Speaker 2: give it a crack, oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty,

1208
01:00:34,627 --> 01:00:37,947
Speaker 2: it's not terminal. Obviously, every game's only worth two points,

1209
01:00:38,707 --> 01:00:44,027
Speaker 2: but the nature of this might leave some scars and

1210
01:00:44,307 --> 01:00:46,547
Speaker 2: cast doubt into the minds of players and fans about

1211
01:00:46,547 --> 01:00:50,067
Speaker 2: whether this team is actually a top eight proposition. There

1212
01:00:50,067 --> 01:00:53,067
Speaker 2: are eleven rounds to go, including two buys for the Warriors,

1213
01:00:53,147 --> 01:00:55,587
Speaker 2: so there's four points straight away, and there are only

1214
01:00:55,667 --> 01:00:58,507
Speaker 2: three points outside the top eight, so it's certainly not

1215
01:00:58,587 --> 01:01:01,587
Speaker 2: the end of their season by any stretch. But man,

1216
01:01:03,867 --> 01:01:06,867
Speaker 2: do they have to make some changes quickly before the

1217
01:01:06,907 --> 01:01:10,627
Speaker 2: Broncos at Town on Saturday, fresh off thereby and needing

1218
01:01:10,667 --> 01:01:12,427
Speaker 2: wins to make their own push to the top eight.

1219
01:01:12,627 --> 01:01:16,187
Speaker 2: This is a massive test for Andrew Winbster, a massive test.

1220
01:01:17,667 --> 01:01:20,027
Speaker 2: Your thoughts encouraged our eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

1221
01:01:20,067 --> 01:01:22,067
Speaker 2: just before we got to a break. Watching the Warriors

1222
01:01:22,147 --> 01:01:25,107
Speaker 2: last night reminded me actually of one of the all

1223
01:01:25,307 --> 01:01:31,027
Speaker 2: time great talkback calls. This was from twenty eighteen, six

1224
01:01:31,147 --> 01:01:33,827
Speaker 2: years ago. The Warriors made the top eight that season,

1225
01:01:33,867 --> 01:01:37,387
Speaker 2: but they lost to the Titans in around twenty fairly

1226
01:01:37,427 --> 01:01:40,707
Speaker 2: convincingly thirty six points to twelve. The next day, this

1227
01:01:40,907 --> 01:01:45,067
Speaker 2: is six years ago, Jared called the radio station.

1228
01:01:45,787 --> 01:01:46,347
Speaker 10: You just wanted to.

1229
01:01:46,387 --> 01:01:48,387
Speaker 9: Quickly to say a few words were going to Warriors.

1230
01:01:48,747 --> 01:01:49,507
Speaker 8: Yeah, I started with.

1231
01:01:49,587 --> 01:01:54,987
Speaker 7: This boom boom, boom boom.

1232
01:01:55,987 --> 01:02:03,587
Speaker 20: You're playing the Titans, the Titan Titans. It was crap, soft,

1233
01:02:04,347 --> 01:02:06,227
Speaker 20: lazy week, heartless.

1234
01:02:06,627 --> 01:02:08,387
Speaker 5: He was no mental fortitude.

1235
01:02:08,707 --> 01:02:12,827
Speaker 7: It was soft boom boom boom.

1236
01:02:13,427 --> 01:02:15,027
Speaker 8: Awful Persisi.

1237
01:02:15,787 --> 01:02:16,067
Speaker 6: Thank you.

1238
01:02:18,027 --> 01:02:21,827
Speaker 2: That was from six years ago and it probably still

1239
01:02:21,867 --> 01:02:24,987
Speaker 2: stands up to scrutiny after last night one twenty eight

1240
01:02:25,027 --> 01:02:26,427
Speaker 2: back with your Warrior's calls, after this.

1241
01:02:27,267 --> 01:02:29,107
Speaker 3: It's more than just a game.

1242
01:02:29,467 --> 01:02:33,547
Speaker 1: Weekends for it with Jason Vine and GJ. Garnerholmes, New

1243
01:02:33,667 --> 01:02:36,067
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1244
01:02:36,147 --> 01:02:39,027
Speaker 2: B one thirty. Yeah, a lot of good reaction to

1245
01:02:39,427 --> 01:02:41,987
Speaker 2: to Jared's call from six years ago. You can make

1246
01:02:42,027 --> 01:02:44,547
Speaker 2: your call right now. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

1247
01:02:44,907 --> 01:02:47,627
Speaker 2: is our number. What did you make of it all? Rowan?

1248
01:02:49,067 --> 01:02:51,747
Speaker 21: Look, my name is Rowan, and I just wanted to

1249
01:02:51,867 --> 01:02:56,107
Speaker 21: say one thing. If they are drinking Carver, they won't

1250
01:02:56,227 --> 01:03:00,867
Speaker 21: win this competition. They have to stay right away from it.

1251
01:03:00,987 --> 01:03:04,787
Speaker 21: It's a dreadful drink for them to be drinking. Has

1252
01:03:04,827 --> 01:03:07,947
Speaker 21: seen it in past and really is not good for them.

1253
01:03:08,227 --> 01:03:10,387
Speaker 2: So all right, Yeah, I'm not sure they are drinking cover.

1254
01:03:11,147 --> 01:03:14,907
Speaker 2: I haven't seen anything of that, of that nature, Raywan,

1255
01:03:15,107 --> 01:03:17,507
Speaker 2: And I think you know, these are highly tuned athletes.

1256
01:03:17,507 --> 01:03:18,787
Speaker 2: I think they look after what they put them to

1257
01:03:18,827 --> 01:03:23,187
Speaker 2: their bodies. Hello, Trevor, howd Poonty? How are you, Trevor?

1258
01:03:23,227 --> 01:03:23,867
Speaker 2: I'm good things.

1259
01:03:24,627 --> 01:03:26,867
Speaker 15: Yeah, I just my thoughts on the Warriors, I mean

1260
01:03:26,907 --> 01:03:28,947
Speaker 15: the nature my team. I just sort of love their own,

1261
01:03:28,987 --> 01:03:30,947
Speaker 15: our own general. But I said a couple of weeks

1262
01:03:30,987 --> 01:03:34,307
Speaker 15: ago look, entrepreneur, Blake should never play another games for

1263
01:03:34,347 --> 01:03:34,787
Speaker 15: the Warriors.

1264
01:03:35,107 --> 01:03:36,827
Speaker 11: His heart is not with the Warriors.

1265
01:03:37,267 --> 01:03:39,667
Speaker 15: He was a little bit upset that he wasn't released

1266
01:03:39,707 --> 01:03:44,227
Speaker 15: immediate immediately, So he's probably a little bit, you know,

1267
01:03:44,387 --> 01:03:46,747
Speaker 15: pissed off or a little bit annoyed like that. I mean,

1268
01:03:47,067 --> 01:03:48,867
Speaker 15: many of you one of the best props in the competition,

1269
01:03:49,067 --> 01:03:50,027
Speaker 15: and does he play like it?

1270
01:03:50,587 --> 01:03:50,627
Speaker 10: No?

1271
01:03:51,107 --> 01:03:51,947
Speaker 2: So well, I think he did.

1272
01:03:52,107 --> 01:03:52,347
Speaker 12: He did.

1273
01:03:52,947 --> 01:03:55,187
Speaker 2: I think he did against the Cowboys when he remember

1274
01:03:55,187 --> 01:03:57,107
Speaker 2: when he because they dropped him against the Dolphins for

1275
01:03:57,147 --> 01:03:59,867
Speaker 2: that breach of protocol. He came back against the Cowboys.

1276
01:03:59,907 --> 01:04:01,227
Speaker 2: I thought he was very good that day.

1277
01:04:02,707 --> 01:04:03,307
Speaker 8: So that's one.

1278
01:04:03,387 --> 01:04:05,787
Speaker 15: What about the losses earlier in the season when he

1279
01:04:05,907 --> 01:04:10,587
Speaker 15: was playing well from what I've seen for a leading

1280
01:04:10,667 --> 01:04:12,947
Speaker 15: prop in the competition, I mean, his heart's not there.

1281
01:04:12,987 --> 01:04:14,907
Speaker 15: He doesn't want to be at the Warriors. And another

1282
01:04:14,987 --> 01:04:17,507
Speaker 15: thing that'll upset a few people, Roger to a Varsi sheck.

1283
01:04:17,907 --> 01:04:19,787
Speaker 15: I mean, you know, I don't know how much I

1284
01:04:19,907 --> 01:04:22,787
Speaker 15: paid for Roger, but you know, his dream and probably

1285
01:04:22,827 --> 01:04:24,787
Speaker 15: still is to be in All Black. Now, he had

1286
01:04:24,827 --> 01:04:27,107
Speaker 15: a season off, tried to make it and he couldn't

1287
01:04:27,147 --> 01:04:29,947
Speaker 15: make it. Now, he's not playing. I get there's a

1288
01:04:29,987 --> 01:04:33,067
Speaker 15: little bit of resentment from Roger that he's not picked

1289
01:04:33,067 --> 01:04:35,907
Speaker 15: a fullback. I mean, he is a human and humans

1290
01:04:35,947 --> 01:04:39,067
Speaker 15: have different reactions and feelings about things. I mean, when

1291
01:04:39,067 --> 01:04:41,467
Speaker 15: are we going to see the great Roger to a

1292
01:04:41,547 --> 01:04:44,187
Speaker 15: Varsi sheck, we thought we were going to get and he's.

1293
01:04:44,867 --> 01:04:46,587
Speaker 2: He's been out. To be fair for he he's been

1294
01:04:46,627 --> 01:04:48,707
Speaker 2: out for the last five games with injury. He's only

1295
01:04:48,867 --> 01:04:49,307
Speaker 2: just come.

1296
01:04:49,267 --> 01:04:54,507
Speaker 15: Back, but he was he was almost you know, he

1297
01:04:54,667 --> 01:04:56,147
Speaker 15: wasn't to be seeing yet day and earlier in the

1298
01:04:56,227 --> 01:04:57,027
Speaker 15: season he wasn't.

1299
01:04:57,147 --> 01:04:57,307
Speaker 8: You know.

1300
01:04:57,427 --> 01:04:59,867
Speaker 15: We can stick by him, but the problem is the

1301
01:05:00,307 --> 01:05:02,907
Speaker 15: coach has to make some tough decisions. Forget about the

1302
01:05:02,947 --> 01:05:04,987
Speaker 15: top eight. If you want to win the NRL, it

1303
01:05:05,107 --> 01:05:07,147
Speaker 15: has to be the top four. You have to be

1304
01:05:07,227 --> 01:05:09,747
Speaker 15: in the top four to win the NRL. And I

1305
01:05:09,867 --> 01:05:11,907
Speaker 15: would have thought, after what the Warrior has done last year,

1306
01:05:11,987 --> 01:05:14,987
Speaker 15: anything but the top four would be a failure. And

1307
01:05:15,067 --> 01:05:16,907
Speaker 15: of course what they have to think about now is Sean.

1308
01:05:17,307 --> 01:05:19,707
Speaker 15: Sean wants to be resigned for next year. I mean,

1309
01:05:19,747 --> 01:05:23,587
Speaker 15: we've got to Mariray Martin, who's twenty eight, Sean's thirty three.

1310
01:05:24,387 --> 01:05:28,747
Speaker 15: We've got Tavita Harris. You know, he's much younger, and

1311
01:05:28,827 --> 01:05:31,707
Speaker 15: I've got that young guy who namely escapes me. He

1312
01:05:31,947 --> 01:05:33,827
Speaker 15: was going to be sort of the next one in

1313
01:05:33,907 --> 01:05:35,667
Speaker 15: line to do that. So I think they have to

1314
01:05:37,027 --> 01:05:40,347
Speaker 15: sort of think twice about resigning Sean. I mean, Sean

1315
01:05:40,427 --> 01:05:43,467
Speaker 15: and to Maury Martin just do not work together. I

1316
01:05:43,587 --> 01:05:47,187
Speaker 15: noticed in the first half yesterday every play was through Sean.

1317
01:05:47,347 --> 01:05:51,987
Speaker 15: Sean got the ball first time every time there was

1318
01:05:52,027 --> 01:05:53,987
Speaker 15: a play. So you know, if they want to keep

1319
01:05:54,187 --> 01:05:56,587
Speaker 15: sort of working along those lines, I think they're going

1320
01:05:56,627 --> 01:05:58,867
Speaker 15: to struggle for the rest of the season. But you know,

1321
01:05:59,147 --> 01:06:02,307
Speaker 15: I just would definitely not have Vanilla Blake. He's just

1322
01:06:02,387 --> 01:06:04,827
Speaker 15: not He hasn't played like the best one of the

1323
01:06:04,907 --> 01:06:07,107
Speaker 15: best props in the competition, and he doesn't want to

1324
01:06:07,187 --> 01:06:09,907
Speaker 15: be there. He wants to be back in Australia. So

1325
01:06:10,147 --> 01:06:11,427
Speaker 15: I think the coach are going to have to make

1326
01:06:11,467 --> 01:06:12,707
Speaker 15: some pretty tough decisions.

1327
01:06:12,947 --> 01:06:15,267
Speaker 2: That's good on your travel, you know, not good points

1328
01:06:15,307 --> 01:06:17,907
Speaker 2: well made by as usual by you. You're right about that,

1329
01:06:18,027 --> 01:06:20,467
Speaker 2: You're absolutely right about that last. But because what we

1330
01:06:20,547 --> 01:06:27,827
Speaker 2: have now is a selection conundrum, because some good young

1331
01:06:28,227 --> 01:06:32,787
Speaker 2: up and coming players played a big part in Warriors

1332
01:06:32,867 --> 01:06:36,267
Speaker 2: wins over the Panthers, the Dolphins, and the Cowboys. When

1333
01:06:36,347 --> 01:06:41,227
Speaker 2: others were not there and unavailable for various reasons, younger

1334
01:06:41,267 --> 01:06:48,187
Speaker 2: players stepped up and did the job. And yes, you

1335
01:06:48,267 --> 01:06:49,987
Speaker 2: might say that they were keeping the seat warm for

1336
01:06:50,067 --> 01:06:51,787
Speaker 2: the established players to come back, and I get that,

1337
01:06:51,907 --> 01:06:54,587
Speaker 2: But when those established players come back, they have to

1338
01:06:54,667 --> 01:06:59,347
Speaker 2: take inspiration from those younger players and also think to themselves, well, jeepest,

1339
01:06:59,707 --> 01:07:04,067
Speaker 2: maybe this jersey isn't mine as of right anymore so,

1340
01:07:04,347 --> 01:07:08,387
Speaker 2: Andrew Webster doesn't seem that incline to make wholesale changes

1341
01:07:08,947 --> 01:07:11,987
Speaker 2: in terms of based on form. Yes, he'll bring players

1342
01:07:12,027 --> 01:07:14,627
Speaker 2: him when he has to for unavailability, injury origin, all

1343
01:07:14,667 --> 01:07:17,707
Speaker 2: that stuff, suspension, But I think now we might be

1344
01:07:17,747 --> 01:07:20,587
Speaker 2: at the point where perhaps there have to be some

1345
01:07:20,787 --> 01:07:24,147
Speaker 2: form based decisions made around certain players who perhaps in

1346
01:07:24,187 --> 01:07:29,547
Speaker 2: the past might have felt like they were untouchable or certainly,

1347
01:07:30,027 --> 01:07:32,147
Speaker 2: you know, pretty rusted. And I'm not saying the players

1348
01:07:32,147 --> 01:07:35,707
Speaker 2: themselves think this. I'm almost certain they don't. I'm almost

1349
01:07:35,747 --> 01:07:38,787
Speaker 2: certain any elite sports person doesn't think they have a

1350
01:07:38,867 --> 01:07:41,867
Speaker 2: spot in the side as of right. But you know,

1351
01:07:42,107 --> 01:07:43,627
Speaker 2: fans looking and saying, okay, well, you're not going to

1352
01:07:43,707 --> 01:07:45,507
Speaker 2: drop him, or you're not going to drop that person.

1353
01:07:46,627 --> 01:07:50,067
Speaker 2: You know they're rusted on starter. Now, maybe you've got

1354
01:07:50,147 --> 01:07:51,667
Speaker 2: to take everything off the table and say, okay, how

1355
01:07:51,707 --> 01:07:54,747
Speaker 2: do we win games? How have we won games? Panthers, Dolphins,

1356
01:07:54,827 --> 01:07:58,347
Speaker 2: Cowboys who played well in those games, and maybe they

1357
01:07:58,427 --> 01:08:01,587
Speaker 2: deserve an extended running the side. How are you feel?

1358
01:08:03,307 --> 01:08:03,827
Speaker 22: Not too bad?

1359
01:08:03,907 --> 01:08:04,187
Speaker 10: Party?

1360
01:08:04,267 --> 01:08:04,587
Speaker 8: How are you?

1361
01:08:05,187 --> 01:08:05,547
Speaker 2: I'm good?

1362
01:08:07,187 --> 01:08:09,707
Speaker 18: Okay, let's get into it a Worris.

1363
01:08:09,787 --> 01:08:10,347
Speaker 8: I'll watched it.

1364
01:08:12,267 --> 01:08:15,427
Speaker 18: I'll start off with Jared. That call of Jared is

1365
01:08:15,427 --> 01:08:17,627
Speaker 18: a classic. That's probably what I'm thinking in my mind

1366
01:08:17,667 --> 01:08:20,187
Speaker 18: at the moment. I'll get into it. I'll do a

1367
01:08:20,227 --> 01:08:22,107
Speaker 18: week quick funny for a start, and then I'll get

1368
01:08:22,107 --> 01:08:25,867
Speaker 18: into it. Reminded me of Rowan Atkinson, you know, the comedian,

1369
01:08:25,947 --> 01:08:28,587
Speaker 18: And I was listening to a take that he done

1370
01:08:28,627 --> 01:08:30,907
Speaker 18: one day and it was on soccer and you'll be

1371
01:08:30,987 --> 01:08:33,147
Speaker 18: in a soccer man. You'll you'll like this because it's

1372
01:08:33,187 --> 01:08:37,747
Speaker 18: the ridiculous of the situation. Then he goes twenty. Now,

1373
01:08:39,147 --> 01:08:40,867
Speaker 18: but don't worry, it's only half time.

1374
01:08:43,107 --> 01:08:45,387
Speaker 2: We'll makes you funny enough. Phil. I was watching that

1375
01:08:45,467 --> 01:08:47,107
Speaker 2: game and I thought, well, as long as we can

1376
01:08:47,147 --> 01:08:49,387
Speaker 2: get to half time, it's sort of eighteen eighteen, zil

1377
01:08:49,467 --> 01:08:51,067
Speaker 2: we might be a right in the second half, and

1378
01:08:51,107 --> 01:08:52,627
Speaker 2: then it was twenty four, and then it was thirty

1379
01:08:52,667 --> 01:08:56,347
Speaker 2: and then but then you think to yourself, Okay, well

1380
01:08:56,467 --> 01:08:59,907
Speaker 2: that's a terrible half. Surely they'll be better after the break.

1381
01:09:00,667 --> 01:09:05,507
Speaker 2: Sixty six six. It's almost impossible to process.

1382
01:09:07,187 --> 01:09:10,747
Speaker 18: It is like I watched the first half and I

1383
01:09:10,827 --> 01:09:14,787
Speaker 18: watched it delayed, and then I flipped onto the second

1384
01:09:14,827 --> 01:09:16,747
Speaker 18: half in the last ten minutes, and that's when I've

1385
01:09:16,747 --> 01:09:20,267
Speaker 18: seen the score sixties sixty to six, and I thought, jeez,

1386
01:09:20,267 --> 01:09:22,307
Speaker 18: I'll put me classes on. I can't believe this had

1387
01:09:22,387 --> 01:09:24,667
Speaker 18: just done me. But I'll get into it.

1388
01:09:24,787 --> 01:09:24,907
Speaker 2: You know.

1389
01:09:24,987 --> 01:09:28,707
Speaker 18: It's like, so you can talk about all the technical

1390
01:09:28,827 --> 01:09:31,107
Speaker 18: things that you know they didn't do right, went wrong.

1391
01:09:31,227 --> 01:09:35,467
Speaker 18: The completion rates were rubbish, predictable lines of attack that

1392
01:09:35,587 --> 01:09:40,507
Speaker 18: were easily snuffed out and dealt with, silly handling mistakes

1393
01:09:40,547 --> 01:09:43,307
Speaker 18: and eras dropping them like schoolboys, you know, on a

1394
01:09:43,387 --> 01:09:48,027
Speaker 18: practice run. And then of course the pathetic weeks soft tackling.

1395
01:09:48,107 --> 01:09:51,627
Speaker 18: You know that girls could have run through. You can

1396
01:09:51,667 --> 01:09:54,707
Speaker 18: do all that, talk about all that, but I and

1397
01:09:54,907 --> 01:09:57,227
Speaker 18: I'm a bit this may be a bit controversial because

1398
01:09:57,267 --> 01:09:59,347
Speaker 18: I was sort of thinking along the same lines as

1399
01:09:59,387 --> 01:10:03,547
Speaker 18: you that think back to those three games that they

1400
01:10:03,667 --> 01:10:06,067
Speaker 18: won from the teams that they weren't expected to beat,

1401
01:10:06,107 --> 01:10:08,547
Speaker 18: when some of the experienced players were out through injury

1402
01:10:08,627 --> 01:10:11,467
Speaker 18: or whatever other reason, and they put the young guys

1403
01:10:11,507 --> 01:10:14,307
Speaker 18: in there and gave them a chance, and they were hungry,

1404
01:10:14,467 --> 01:10:17,227
Speaker 18: fired up, and wanted to prove their place and the

1405
01:10:17,307 --> 01:10:19,467
Speaker 18: team and show they wanted to be in that team.

1406
01:10:19,547 --> 01:10:22,827
Speaker 18: And they had the hunger and the fighting them and

1407
01:10:22,867 --> 01:10:26,267
Speaker 18: the aggressiveness and the hardness and toughness and that, and

1408
01:10:26,387 --> 01:10:29,587
Speaker 18: I'm thinking maybe it's but it's time to look at

1409
01:10:29,627 --> 01:10:32,187
Speaker 18: some of these older players, you know, that dn't performance

1410
01:10:32,227 --> 01:10:34,827
Speaker 18: so well and make that controversial call, you know, make

1411
01:10:34,907 --> 01:10:38,107
Speaker 18: that tough call, and say, well, we'll bring back some

1412
01:10:38,187 --> 01:10:41,147
Speaker 18: of these young fellows that played so well and showed

1413
01:10:41,187 --> 01:10:44,467
Speaker 18: their worth, you know, in those games, because otherwise I

1414
01:10:44,507 --> 01:10:46,747
Speaker 18: think you're just going to end up like it's been

1415
01:10:46,827 --> 01:10:50,067
Speaker 18: since the start of the Warriors, where they've showed brilliant

1416
01:10:50,387 --> 01:10:53,747
Speaker 18: at times, they played really well, and you've got the

1417
01:10:53,827 --> 01:10:55,507
Speaker 18: hopes up and you think, oh yeah, go on, goodness,

1418
01:10:55,667 --> 01:10:57,867
Speaker 18: this could be a year. But then at the end

1419
01:10:57,907 --> 01:10:59,947
Speaker 18: of the year, It's like, oh, well, maybe next year'll

1420
01:10:59,947 --> 01:11:01,627
Speaker 18: be a year you know, we'll just be in the

1421
01:11:01,667 --> 01:11:04,187
Speaker 18: same position and they'll be on repeat for as long

1422
01:11:04,227 --> 01:11:04,907
Speaker 18: as I'm a life.

1423
01:11:05,587 --> 01:11:07,827
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got another couple of calls waiting, But yeah,

1424
01:11:08,947 --> 01:11:12,067
Speaker 2: this selection is the fascinating part. Now, what is Andrew

1425
01:11:12,067 --> 01:11:13,987
Speaker 2: Whops to do for the game against the Broncos this

1426
01:11:14,067 --> 01:11:16,747
Speaker 2: coming week? To follow the Bulldogs and the Raiders? I mean,

1427
01:11:16,787 --> 01:11:19,627
Speaker 2: every game is important. Now what does he do? I

1428
01:11:19,707 --> 01:11:23,107
Speaker 2: think there'll be a huge temptation to bring back some

1429
01:11:23,187 --> 01:11:26,587
Speaker 2: of those kids or I guess you call them second

1430
01:11:26,627 --> 01:11:28,747
Speaker 2: string players, fringe players? What do you want to call them?

1431
01:11:28,987 --> 01:11:31,787
Speaker 2: Who did the job against the likes of the Panthers

1432
01:11:31,827 --> 01:11:33,827
Speaker 2: and the Dolphins. What would you do?

1433
01:11:33,947 --> 01:11:34,147
Speaker 3: Mark?

1434
01:11:34,147 --> 01:11:36,867
Speaker 2: What would your what would your first thing be this week?

1435
01:11:39,507 --> 01:11:42,787
Speaker 11: Ferously, I'd quickly like to congratulate the Blues and nay

1436
01:11:43,787 --> 01:11:45,787
Speaker 11: doing something no one I know the coach has done

1437
01:11:45,827 --> 01:11:49,427
Speaker 11: twenty one years. Has got to be celebrated, its rugby,

1438
01:11:50,307 --> 01:11:53,387
Speaker 11: rugby pundits and supporters out there sort of the deserve

1439
01:11:53,427 --> 01:11:54,787
Speaker 11: it champions.

1440
01:11:54,267 --> 01:11:56,027
Speaker 8: For twenty four.

1441
01:11:57,387 --> 01:11:59,747
Speaker 3: The Warriors, that was extremely.

1442
01:11:59,307 --> 01:12:01,427
Speaker 11: Hard to watch and they haven't really had a game

1443
01:12:01,507 --> 01:12:06,587
Speaker 11: where they've just left teams steamroll them for well of

1444
01:12:06,667 --> 01:12:10,427
Speaker 11: years now like in the past, dub let teams once

1445
01:12:10,467 --> 01:12:12,587
Speaker 11: they get ahead, roll over them like that. But last

1446
01:12:12,667 --> 01:12:15,827
Speaker 11: night was just an embarrassment and I think all the

1447
01:12:15,947 --> 01:12:19,147
Speaker 11: players and the coach probably is embarrassed after that. The

1448
01:12:19,267 --> 01:12:22,867
Speaker 11: key factor here in all the losses, and I guess

1449
01:12:22,947 --> 01:12:25,827
Speaker 11: I am pointing the fact that is Sean Johnson. When

1450
01:12:25,867 --> 01:12:31,427
Speaker 11: he plays, they lose the statistic that stands out at

1451
01:12:31,467 --> 01:12:34,667
Speaker 11: the moment, and he in the n RL, and I've

1452
01:12:34,707 --> 01:12:36,587
Speaker 11: been watching it for a long time. If you don't

1453
01:12:36,627 --> 01:12:39,307
Speaker 11: have a running number number seven, you ain't gonna win.

1454
01:12:39,827 --> 01:12:43,067
Speaker 11: If you just got a number seven, and he whether

1455
01:12:43,147 --> 01:12:46,907
Speaker 11: through injury or whatever this year, I mean last year

1456
01:12:46,947 --> 01:12:48,787
Speaker 11: should have won the DLM and he was probably the

1457
01:12:48,907 --> 01:12:49,627
Speaker 11: best player in the.

1458
01:12:49,747 --> 01:12:50,187
Speaker 1: N r L.

1459
01:12:50,387 --> 01:12:53,107
Speaker 11: But this year, if you're not running the balls number

1460
01:12:53,147 --> 01:12:56,827
Speaker 11: seven and you're just a kicker, then your team's not

1461
01:12:56,867 --> 01:12:57,267
Speaker 11: going to win.

1462
01:12:59,987 --> 01:13:03,547
Speaker 2: Mark you have now that as usual with your comments,

1463
01:13:04,067 --> 01:13:06,267
Speaker 2: I'll just sound Johnson, and I know he is an

1464
01:13:06,467 --> 01:13:09,667
Speaker 2: easy escapegoat for a lot of people, and you're right,

1465
01:13:10,107 --> 01:13:13,587
Speaker 2: he has been there for some losses this season. But

1466
01:13:13,667 --> 01:13:15,667
Speaker 2: also let's not forget he was in the seven jumper

1467
01:13:16,267 --> 01:13:19,307
Speaker 2: when the Warriors beat the Raiders and the Knights and

1468
01:13:19,427 --> 01:13:23,187
Speaker 2: the Rabbit O's in rounds three, four and five and

1469
01:13:23,307 --> 01:13:27,027
Speaker 2: looked very good. I don't know whether his injury is

1470
01:13:27,107 --> 01:13:30,587
Speaker 2: still afflicting him. I guess we'll find out the in

1471
01:13:30,627 --> 01:13:32,667
Speaker 2: the next few days with regards to what they do

1472
01:13:32,747 --> 01:13:35,227
Speaker 2: against the Broncos. Thanks Mark good Chat Got to Get

1473
01:13:35,227 --> 01:13:37,227
Speaker 2: a Breakaway eighteen to two. Back in the Moment with

1474
01:13:37,347 --> 01:13:38,987
Speaker 2: James mcconey from.

1475
01:13:38,867 --> 01:13:40,667
Speaker 22: Penrose to Paris.

1476
01:13:42,107 --> 01:13:44,587
Speaker 1: You like to call on un and eighty ten eighty

1477
01:13:44,747 --> 01:13:48,547
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1478
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1479
01:13:51,067 --> 01:13:54,667
Speaker 2: B one five News Talk said, b it seems almost

1480
01:13:54,787 --> 01:13:57,947
Speaker 2: cruel to get you on, James mcconey after last night.

1481
01:13:58,027 --> 01:13:58,587
Speaker 2: Are you're okay?

1482
01:14:01,867 --> 01:14:06,227
Speaker 3: My brother alive? It's been tough and he shouted you

1483
01:14:06,547 --> 01:14:08,787
Speaker 3: please come on, please show some respect.

1484
01:14:11,587 --> 01:14:11,787
Speaker 22: Wow.

1485
01:14:11,907 --> 01:14:14,667
Speaker 2: That is that is quite the burn. That is quite

1486
01:14:14,747 --> 01:14:15,907
Speaker 2: the burn. Isn't it all right?

1487
01:14:16,027 --> 01:14:19,627
Speaker 3: Andy? You've had your fun there? It has been tough.

1488
01:14:19,867 --> 01:14:22,147
Speaker 3: And look, even if I wanted to put my Chiefs

1489
01:14:22,227 --> 01:14:24,747
Speaker 3: jerseys on a bonfire last night, I couldn't because of

1490
01:14:24,827 --> 01:14:29,347
Speaker 3: the persistent rain that cost us the game as soon

1491
01:14:29,387 --> 01:14:33,307
Speaker 3: as it rain Pinier was over. But full credit, as

1492
01:14:33,347 --> 01:14:36,147
Speaker 3: they say to Vernecotta, Patrick tupul or two in the

1493
01:14:36,227 --> 01:14:39,867
Speaker 3: Blues just so dominant. What a performance it was.

1494
01:14:40,067 --> 01:14:43,467
Speaker 2: It was a terrific Grand Final performance from the Blues.

1495
01:14:44,747 --> 01:14:46,227
Speaker 2: I don't want to gloss over or anything like that,

1496
01:14:46,307 --> 01:14:48,427
Speaker 2: but do you think there was some players last night

1497
01:14:48,707 --> 01:14:51,067
Speaker 2: who really stuck their hand up for All Black selection

1498
01:14:51,227 --> 01:14:52,867
Speaker 2: if they hadn't already.

1499
01:14:55,747 --> 01:14:59,347
Speaker 3: Look, I'm worried that it's maybe cost some of my guys.

1500
01:15:00,067 --> 01:15:04,787
Speaker 3: Let's just say the Chiefs their selection. I will just

1501
01:15:04,867 --> 01:15:07,747
Speaker 3: before we move on the selection say Patrick two Pulo

1502
01:15:07,827 --> 01:15:10,627
Speaker 3: two was immense and I agree with your caller Chris

1503
01:15:11,107 --> 01:15:13,507
Speaker 3: about a kidder Joanni. He was almost made of a

1504
01:15:13,547 --> 01:15:15,667
Speaker 3: match for me as well. I think it went to

1505
01:15:15,787 --> 01:15:19,387
Speaker 3: Patrick in the end. But yes, and also a couple

1506
01:15:19,427 --> 01:15:23,987
Speaker 3: of unsung heroes. Marcel Lenetta first season as a starting

1507
01:15:24,067 --> 01:15:27,307
Speaker 3: prop and he was this incredible hustle, huge engine and

1508
01:15:27,467 --> 01:15:29,827
Speaker 3: aj Lamb filling it at second five. He's a winger

1509
01:15:30,227 --> 01:15:33,307
Speaker 3: and played so well at the back end of the season.

1510
01:15:33,387 --> 01:15:37,827
Speaker 3: But yes, selections, Piney, who is your let's just say

1511
01:15:38,867 --> 01:15:41,067
Speaker 3: the interesting selection, who is your third hooker?

1512
01:15:41,387 --> 01:15:44,227
Speaker 2: And I'll respond mine is Ricky Rictelly.

1513
01:15:45,987 --> 01:15:49,547
Speaker 3: Yes, I think I agree, Ricky the Rhino is going

1514
01:15:49,627 --> 01:15:53,147
Speaker 3: to get his chance. An undersized hooker, but white a player,

1515
01:15:53,707 --> 01:16:00,307
Speaker 3: big heart, gutsy, tough, just what Razor likes, accurate thrower.

1516
01:16:00,867 --> 01:16:05,107
Speaker 3: So maybe George Bell, who I thought might be getting

1517
01:16:05,147 --> 01:16:07,667
Speaker 3: the nod out of, you know, the Crusaders. I think

1518
01:16:07,747 --> 01:16:12,147
Speaker 3: Ricky could get his chance there, although because he's part Italian,

1519
01:16:12,187 --> 01:16:15,627
Speaker 3: I'd almost say just one play one hundred tests for Italy,

1520
01:16:15,747 --> 01:16:18,187
Speaker 3: you know, is a number one.

1521
01:16:18,867 --> 01:16:21,187
Speaker 2: That's the only other guy. The only other guy they

1522
01:16:21,227 --> 01:16:23,107
Speaker 2: could look at is Kurt Eklund, but he's been number

1523
01:16:23,147 --> 01:16:25,627
Speaker 2: two to Rickettelly for the Blues, So yeah, I kind

1524
01:16:25,627 --> 01:16:28,867
Speaker 2: of feel yet it's it's Taylor Almore and Rickettelly I

1525
01:16:28,947 --> 01:16:31,907
Speaker 2: expect as the three hookers. Who do you think do

1526
01:16:32,067 --> 01:16:36,107
Speaker 2: you think that in terms of the outside backs, where

1527
01:16:36,107 --> 01:16:37,827
Speaker 2: does Stephen Petter Fetter fit into this whole thing? For

1528
01:16:37,867 --> 01:16:39,467
Speaker 2: you see, an outside back is your first five?

1529
01:16:39,507 --> 01:16:39,827
Speaker 7: What is he?

1530
01:16:40,827 --> 01:16:43,587
Speaker 3: I think Peter Efeta has to be packed because you've

1531
01:16:43,667 --> 01:16:47,587
Speaker 3: got McKenzie and Bowden as the first five and in

1532
01:16:47,707 --> 01:16:52,347
Speaker 3: this you know, I think goalkicking wise, you've got Jordi

1533
01:16:52,627 --> 01:16:56,347
Speaker 3: as you know him and McKenzie is maybe your main goalkickers,

1534
01:16:56,747 --> 01:16:59,107
Speaker 3: but that means you still need another goalkicker and it's

1535
01:16:59,147 --> 01:17:04,227
Speaker 3: either Bowden or Stephen Prefeta, and I mean either all.

1536
01:17:04,307 --> 01:17:06,267
Speaker 3: But I think Peter Fettter will get in for the

1537
01:17:06,347 --> 01:17:08,987
Speaker 3: those skills and be able to cover that position. And

1538
01:17:09,107 --> 01:17:12,707
Speaker 3: I think his versatility may just cost Ruben Love, who's

1539
01:17:12,707 --> 01:17:15,667
Speaker 3: been incredible. But I think Ruben Love is in a

1540
01:17:16,347 --> 01:17:19,467
Speaker 3: maybe even a four way battle for that other outside back.

1541
01:17:20,067 --> 01:17:24,027
Speaker 3: You know, is it Josh Morby or Jacob that too,

1542
01:17:24,107 --> 01:17:27,587
Speaker 3: Mike Tevuke Meekins. Could we get an absolute bolter like

1543
01:17:27,747 --> 01:17:31,867
Speaker 3: Shafi Hackey. You know, this is the thing about Razor

1544
01:17:32,107 --> 01:17:34,707
Speaker 3: is he will want people who are tough, he can

1545
01:17:34,787 --> 01:17:38,947
Speaker 3: take the high ball, who can handle England. And maybe

1546
01:17:39,027 --> 01:17:40,867
Speaker 3: he's just going to come up with something out of

1547
01:17:40,907 --> 01:17:41,507
Speaker 3: the box there.

1548
01:17:42,467 --> 01:17:44,427
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that he will be in the team.

1549
01:17:44,587 --> 01:17:48,107
Speaker 2: But Harry Plumber, he started just two games at first

1550
01:17:48,147 --> 01:17:50,627
Speaker 2: five for the Blues last year. He's basically run the

1551
01:17:50,707 --> 01:17:53,507
Speaker 2: cutter for them for the last three months. Stephen Petefender,

1552
01:17:53,507 --> 01:17:55,267
Speaker 2: who was supposed to be first five, has been pushed

1553
01:17:55,307 --> 01:17:57,627
Speaker 2: back to fullback. I mean, I'd like to say I

1554
01:17:57,627 --> 01:17:58,987
Speaker 2: don't think Harry Plumber is going to be in this

1555
01:17:59,027 --> 01:18:01,867
Speaker 2: all black squad, but what an influence on the Blues.

1556
01:18:03,027 --> 01:18:05,507
Speaker 3: Well, if Boden wasn't coming back, I think Harry would

1557
01:18:05,507 --> 01:18:08,227
Speaker 3: be in the squad. That's that's how good he's been.

1558
01:18:08,587 --> 01:18:13,227
Speaker 3: So Boden returning from Japan is really cutting Plumber's lunch there.

1559
01:18:13,787 --> 01:18:17,227
Speaker 3: But yeah, I agree, I think Plumber was exceptionally again

1560
01:18:17,347 --> 01:18:21,147
Speaker 3: last night. And also, you know one thing I should

1561
01:18:21,187 --> 01:18:23,467
Speaker 3: say about rugby journalist is they always go, oh, you

1562
01:18:23,547 --> 01:18:25,987
Speaker 3: need a world class first five to win Super Rugby,

1563
01:18:26,267 --> 01:18:28,347
Speaker 3: and then in the same breath they say, well you can't.

1564
01:18:28,707 --> 01:18:31,747
Speaker 3: The game's one up front. Make your mind up, rugby journalists.

1565
01:18:32,067 --> 01:18:36,427
Speaker 3: But obviously last night the game was run up front.

1566
01:18:36,787 --> 01:18:38,827
Speaker 3: But the first five at the cutter running the cutter

1567
01:18:39,067 --> 01:18:42,747
Speaker 3: was not an international. It was humble Harry Plumber, a

1568
01:18:42,867 --> 01:18:45,747
Speaker 3: kid from Auckland. He's just come through and plugged away

1569
01:18:45,787 --> 01:18:48,147
Speaker 3: for years in that team and as a as a

1570
01:18:48,187 --> 01:18:50,707
Speaker 3: bit part, you know, as an understudy. So I think

1571
01:18:50,747 --> 01:18:53,547
Speaker 3: there was outstanding one for the underdogs last night.

1572
01:18:54,107 --> 01:18:59,227
Speaker 2: Indeed, the entree to the rugby wasn't that palatable, was it.

1573
01:18:59,267 --> 01:19:01,347
Speaker 2: I'm not sure whether you caught much of the Warriors game.

1574
01:19:02,547 --> 01:19:05,227
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, I was really concerned for Mike Hosking

1575
01:19:05,467 --> 01:19:08,867
Speaker 3: on Kate Hawksby's social I just was worried about him.

1576
01:19:09,147 --> 01:19:12,307
Speaker 3: And yeah, he was kind of going through all the

1577
01:19:12,387 --> 01:19:16,027
Speaker 3: stages of grief over eighty minutes, it seemed, and that

1578
01:19:16,747 --> 01:19:19,907
Speaker 3: kind of defeat as a total Steve Hanson, flush the

1579
01:19:19,987 --> 01:19:21,587
Speaker 3: duney and move on my moment.

1580
01:19:21,707 --> 01:19:22,147
Speaker 9: You can't.

1581
01:19:23,427 --> 01:19:25,987
Speaker 3: You can't really dwell on that. This is the one

1582
01:19:26,067 --> 01:19:31,267
Speaker 3: thing I thought was lacking was just that confidence to regroup.

1583
01:19:31,427 --> 01:19:34,307
Speaker 3: And I thought, well, you've got enough experienced players out there,

1584
01:19:34,387 --> 01:19:39,867
Speaker 3: so that would be the big headache for Andrew Webster

1585
01:19:40,187 --> 01:19:43,427
Speaker 3: is does he persist with these guys, give him another chance,

1586
01:19:43,667 --> 01:19:46,187
Speaker 3: or does he go with that young group that did

1587
01:19:46,267 --> 01:19:49,067
Speaker 3: so well against Penreth a couple of weeks ago. This

1588
01:19:49,267 --> 01:19:52,867
Speaker 3: is that's going to be watched the Space Oh just

1589
01:19:53,387 --> 01:19:57,547
Speaker 3: including another watch the Space selection. Do you go with

1590
01:19:57,707 --> 01:20:02,347
Speaker 3: Peter Larkeye probably getting the backup seven spot, or do

1591
01:20:02,467 --> 01:20:06,027
Speaker 3: you say Braden you're seat or Wallace A Titi comes

1592
01:20:06,107 --> 01:20:10,627
Speaker 3: in to provide some you know, some ball carrying expertise.

1593
01:20:10,987 --> 01:20:12,787
Speaker 3: Pining is, yeah, I.

1594
01:20:12,787 --> 01:20:14,827
Speaker 2: Haven't got any of that. Of my lucies. I've got

1595
01:20:14,867 --> 01:20:20,267
Speaker 2: Blackhead of Female Jacobs and papoal Savia and Soitutu. Yeah,

1596
01:20:21,787 --> 01:20:23,707
Speaker 2: it's a crowded field, right, it's a crowded field.

1597
01:20:24,507 --> 01:20:27,827
Speaker 3: It's a crowded maybe what's the what do you call it?

1598
01:20:28,307 --> 01:20:33,747
Speaker 3: The training the way that raised sneaks in some bolts,

1599
01:20:33,787 --> 01:20:38,027
Speaker 3: because even the battle between Quartiez, Latima and Fatava I

1600
01:20:38,147 --> 01:20:40,827
Speaker 3: think is tight, although I think Latima will get the

1601
01:20:40,987 --> 01:20:44,387
Speaker 3: nod and Nigel Hotham stead of breathing down her neck

1602
01:20:44,427 --> 01:20:47,867
Speaker 3: in the next couple of seasons. But because they're playing England,

1603
01:20:47,907 --> 01:20:50,227
Speaker 3: I think it's going to be more conservative if they're

1604
01:20:50,267 --> 01:20:53,947
Speaker 3: playing a different nation, if it was Wales or Scotland

1605
01:20:54,107 --> 01:20:58,747
Speaker 3: or just you know, anyone else coming south this winter.

1606
01:20:59,867 --> 01:21:05,707
Speaker 3: Quite different. And Harvey le I would like to actually

1607
01:21:05,707 --> 01:21:08,947
Speaker 3: see Billy the elite frog there or maybe even Quinti

1608
01:21:09,027 --> 01:21:12,267
Speaker 3: Pie come back and into the mix, because I think

1609
01:21:12,347 --> 01:21:15,107
Speaker 3: that Proctor has been incredible this entire season.

1610
01:21:15,547 --> 01:21:17,467
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's been very good. Hey, just a quick word

1611
01:21:17,507 --> 01:21:20,747
Speaker 2: on the Euros. Are England are they were favorites going

1612
01:21:20,787 --> 01:21:24,307
Speaker 2: into the tournament by most bookies estimation? Are England just

1613
01:21:24,347 --> 01:21:24,867
Speaker 2: not very good?

1614
01:21:26,147 --> 01:21:26,347
Speaker 8: Yeah?

1615
01:21:26,387 --> 01:21:29,027
Speaker 3: I'm not sure what they are. They're confusing and I

1616
01:21:29,147 --> 01:21:32,747
Speaker 3: think Gareth Southgate, now that he's lost the waistcoat, just

1617
01:21:32,787 --> 01:21:33,707
Speaker 3: hasn't got his mojo.

1618
01:21:34,347 --> 01:21:35,107
Speaker 8: He's just one.

1619
01:21:35,347 --> 01:21:36,507
Speaker 3: Or is he wearing it. I'm not sure.

1620
01:21:36,507 --> 01:21:37,707
Speaker 8: I haven't said no, he's not null.

1621
01:21:37,747 --> 01:21:39,507
Speaker 2: I haven't seen them, haven't seen the waistcoat.

1622
01:21:39,707 --> 01:21:43,547
Speaker 3: Yeah, they guess, but they've got three really good attackers

1623
01:21:43,587 --> 01:21:47,467
Speaker 3: and Harry Kane, Quay Osaka and Phil Foden and they're

1624
01:21:47,507 --> 01:21:49,667
Speaker 3: not quite sure what to do with them and they're

1625
01:21:49,707 --> 01:21:52,827
Speaker 3: not yelling at all. They left out Marcus Rashford, he

1626
01:21:52,907 --> 01:21:56,747
Speaker 3: didn't ever make the squad, so right now England is

1627
01:21:56,867 --> 01:22:01,107
Speaker 3: sort of struggling for chemistry really and also leaning on

1628
01:22:01,387 --> 01:22:05,307
Speaker 3: even though their best player Jude Bellingham has just won

1629
01:22:05,427 --> 01:22:08,867
Speaker 3: the UEFA champion. He is twenty twenty one years old.

1630
01:22:09,347 --> 01:22:14,867
Speaker 3: It's crazy expecting him to provide that or run the

1631
01:22:14,987 --> 01:22:19,787
Speaker 3: cut for them. So look, I think they he might

1632
01:22:19,907 --> 01:22:23,347
Speaker 3: actually have to try and put in some of those

1633
01:22:23,387 --> 01:22:25,907
Speaker 3: players that he never thought were going to play, because

1634
01:22:26,347 --> 01:22:27,947
Speaker 3: they just look all at sea and they don't have

1635
01:22:28,187 --> 01:22:29,467
Speaker 3: any cutting edge at the moment.

1636
01:22:29,867 --> 01:22:31,827
Speaker 2: No good on you, James. Great to chat as always.

1637
01:22:31,867 --> 01:22:33,947
Speaker 2: James McConney, big part of our Sunday six and a

1638
01:22:33,987 --> 01:22:35,347
Speaker 2: half to two News Talks.

1639
01:22:35,347 --> 01:22:35,627
Speaker 22: Heead B.

1640
01:22:40,547 --> 01:22:42,947
Speaker 2: Three and a half to two News Talks HEADB after

1641
01:22:43,027 --> 01:22:45,907
Speaker 2: our news at two, our Road to Paris, a very

1642
01:22:45,947 --> 01:22:49,387
Speaker 2: popular Road to Paris feature continues. One of the all

1643
01:22:49,467 --> 01:22:51,947
Speaker 2: time greats, Sir Mark Todd after two.

1644
01:22:53,507 --> 01:22:57,667
Speaker 1: The only plays for the big names, the big issues,

1645
01:22:58,467 --> 01:23:03,347
Speaker 1: the big controversies and the big conversations. It's all on

1646
01:23:03,507 --> 01:23:07,267
Speaker 1: weekends forward with Jason Lain on your home of Sport

1647
01:23:07,747 --> 01:23:08,307
Speaker 1: News Talks.

1648
01:23:08,347 --> 01:23:08,627
Speaker 9: It'd be.

1649
01:23:10,387 --> 01:23:13,387
Speaker 2: Two o seven another hour, and then Tim Beveriges takes

1650
01:23:13,427 --> 01:23:16,227
Speaker 2: the mic for the next segment of your Sunday Here

1651
01:23:16,267 --> 01:23:18,307
Speaker 2: on News Talks, they'd be the weekend Collective. Before we

1652
01:23:18,387 --> 01:23:22,947
Speaker 2: get to that, the Road to Paris continues, Sir Mark

1653
01:23:23,067 --> 01:23:27,507
Speaker 2: Todd is our guest, very shortly reliving his seven Olympic Games,

1654
01:23:27,907 --> 01:23:32,347
Speaker 2: five Olympic medals, two gold medals aboard Charisma nineteen eighty

1655
01:23:32,347 --> 01:23:34,587
Speaker 2: four and nineteen thirty eight in the three day event.

1656
01:23:35,027 --> 01:23:37,867
Speaker 2: Also this hour, Wayne Goldsmith, our coaching guru. We get

1657
01:23:38,067 --> 01:23:40,707
Speaker 2: the benefit of his wisdom about once a month or so.

1658
01:23:41,187 --> 01:23:44,267
Speaker 2: Wanted to ask Wayne about how a new coach should

1659
01:23:44,307 --> 01:23:48,427
Speaker 2: approach that assignment coming into an established team, just as

1660
01:23:48,867 --> 01:23:54,147
Speaker 2: Scott Robertson is how should new coaches approach their teams,

1661
01:23:54,947 --> 01:23:56,747
Speaker 2: What are the different ways of doing that in which

1662
01:23:56,787 --> 01:24:01,107
Speaker 2: one is best suited? Perhaps to Scott Robertson, Wayne Goldsmith

1663
01:24:01,147 --> 01:24:02,747
Speaker 2: is out. We've had quite a few people wanting to

1664
01:24:02,827 --> 01:24:08,907
Speaker 2: hear Jared's call again from six years go. I might

1665
01:24:08,987 --> 01:24:12,867
Speaker 2: give that another rip at some stage, but with a

1666
01:24:12,947 --> 01:24:15,707
Speaker 2: time approaching eight pass too. As we always do at

1667
01:24:15,747 --> 01:24:18,187
Speaker 2: around about this time on weekend sport, we like to

1668
01:24:18,227 --> 01:24:19,747
Speaker 2: make sure that you're up to date. We like to

1669
01:24:19,827 --> 01:24:23,147
Speaker 2: keep you informed and bring you some of the things

1670
01:24:23,187 --> 01:24:26,187
Speaker 2: that you may have missed. Annie McDonald has again very

1671
01:24:27,907 --> 01:24:33,827
Speaker 2: passionately and effectively put together in case you missed it,

1672
01:24:34,827 --> 01:24:37,187
Speaker 2: and he spectacularly left the Warriors out well done and

1673
01:24:37,707 --> 01:24:40,467
Speaker 2: by the other NRL games not involving the Warriors, though,

1674
01:24:40,507 --> 01:24:42,347
Speaker 2: the Roosters continue to look good.

1675
01:24:42,427 --> 01:24:46,267
Speaker 16: But it won't matter because the Roosters have pun perhaps

1676
01:24:46,347 --> 01:24:47,187
Speaker 16: their best.

1677
01:24:46,987 --> 01:24:51,787
Speaker 2: Performance of the season. They played the full eighty year tonight.

1678
01:24:52,467 --> 01:24:56,387
Speaker 2: They didn't give the Bulldogs a sniff. The Roosters twenty six,

1679
01:24:56,507 --> 01:24:58,947
Speaker 2: Bulldogs eight and the rabbito's on a roll.

1680
01:24:59,147 --> 01:25:00,067
Speaker 10: Right on the line.

1681
01:25:00,507 --> 01:25:05,227
Speaker 12: Tuck started the door, played there fight come over a tune.

1682
01:25:06,427 --> 01:25:11,947
Speaker 4: Said there it's been right away between treves two and three,

1683
01:25:13,027 --> 01:25:14,667
Speaker 4: but you can log it in any.

1684
01:25:14,627 --> 01:25:17,747
Speaker 2: South of what four in a row yet fourteen nil

1685
01:25:17,907 --> 01:25:21,347
Speaker 2: the Rabbinis over the Sea Eagles to the euro Football Championship.

1686
01:25:22,187 --> 01:25:24,147
Speaker 2: Belgium jump up to the top of their group.

1687
01:25:24,227 --> 01:25:28,267
Speaker 23: That's come through here for do Brana, who's wrapped up

1688
01:25:28,307 --> 01:25:33,547
Speaker 23: the room for Belgium. The captain makes the point safe

1689
01:25:34,827 --> 01:25:36,107
Speaker 23: and Belgium.

1690
01:25:36,347 --> 01:25:41,547
Speaker 12: Have their first win and this Euro at deadly finish

1691
01:25:42,267 --> 01:25:43,467
Speaker 12: from Kevin de Brenda.

1692
01:25:44,027 --> 01:25:47,587
Speaker 2: Two nil Belgium over Romania. Portugal have made simple work

1693
01:25:47,627 --> 01:25:49,667
Speaker 2: of Turkey. Here's Cristiano Ronaldo.

1694
01:25:49,907 --> 01:25:52,347
Speaker 23: It's a great chance for three now and it's rotted

1695
01:25:52,587 --> 01:25:53,987
Speaker 23: Bruno Fernandez.

1696
01:25:55,187 --> 01:25:57,387
Speaker 19: Turkey's defense undone.

1697
01:25:57,547 --> 01:26:01,227
Speaker 23: Ten minutes into the second half, branw though, choosing to

1698
01:26:01,347 --> 01:26:05,267
Speaker 23: set up his teammate and surely now this match out

1699
01:26:05,307 --> 01:26:06,547
Speaker 23: of reach for Turkey.

1700
01:26:06,667 --> 01:26:09,227
Speaker 2: And it was three nil to Portugal. At the T

1701
01:26:09,427 --> 01:26:14,187
Speaker 2: twenty Cricket World Cup, India getting easily past Bangladesh, winning

1702
01:26:14,227 --> 01:26:17,707
Speaker 2: by fifty runs. They're the worldforce singers or India confidence

1703
01:26:17,747 --> 01:26:22,507
Speaker 2: of winners. Here we win by fifty runs, the unbeaten run.

1704
01:26:22,467 --> 01:26:27,547
Speaker 7: Continuous and more importantly the place for themselves to the

1705
01:26:27,627 --> 01:26:28,747
Speaker 7: semi points.

1706
01:26:28,947 --> 01:26:33,267
Speaker 2: To Rugby World Cup winners the spring Box. In traditional

1707
01:26:33,427 --> 01:26:37,747
Speaker 2: spring Box form, they played Wales at Twickenham, the canceling moster.

1708
01:26:40,147 --> 01:26:42,987
Speaker 23: These the traditional virtues as said, they were good ruddy,

1709
01:26:43,787 --> 01:26:45,667
Speaker 23: nobody does it, that's on your run.

1710
01:26:47,347 --> 01:26:51,787
Speaker 2: And they got to the trailne forty one thirteen South

1711
01:26:51,787 --> 01:26:56,267
Speaker 2: Africa betting Whales and the Edmonton Oilers on fire in

1712
01:26:56,347 --> 01:26:59,947
Speaker 2: the Stanley Cup ice hockey finals after going down three

1713
01:27:00,067 --> 01:27:02,707
Speaker 2: nil to Florida. They're on the cusp of one of

1714
01:27:02,747 --> 01:27:05,627
Speaker 2: the greatest comebacks of all times. To do that four

1715
01:27:05,707 --> 01:27:07,467
Speaker 2: of O'clubroad.

1716
01:27:09,507 --> 01:27:11,307
Speaker 6: One on ten ten.

1717
01:27:11,787 --> 01:27:15,867
Speaker 20: Has set this place into deliria and at four.

1718
01:27:15,907 --> 01:27:20,467
Speaker 18: One Boilers Game seven is on the horizon.

1719
01:27:20,987 --> 01:27:26,867
Speaker 2: New Zealand into the home straight. Kiewis have won at all.

1720
01:27:30,707 --> 01:27:31,187
Speaker 1: Weekends.

1721
01:27:31,227 --> 01:27:33,147
Speaker 2: Force Road to Paris.

1722
01:27:32,987 --> 01:27:33,827
Speaker 7: Twenty twenty four.

1723
01:27:36,267 --> 01:27:39,187
Speaker 2: Eleven past two. The Paris Olympics are now just five

1724
01:27:39,347 --> 01:27:43,187
Speaker 2: weeks away, less than that actually, so we continue our

1725
01:27:43,307 --> 01:27:46,907
Speaker 2: Road to Paris feature revisiting some of our great Olympic

1726
01:27:47,027 --> 01:27:51,067
Speaker 2: moments from the past. Sir Mark Todd is truly one

1727
01:27:51,107 --> 01:27:54,467
Speaker 2: of our Olympic greats. First chosen to write a Questrian

1728
01:27:54,627 --> 01:27:58,387
Speaker 2: in the Boycott at Moscow Olympics in nineteen eighty. He

1729
01:27:58,507 --> 01:28:02,107
Speaker 2: went on to compete in seven Olympic Games between nineteen

1730
01:28:02,147 --> 01:28:05,947
Speaker 2: eighty four and two thousand and sixteen. Only Dame Lisa

1731
01:28:06,067 --> 01:28:10,307
Speaker 2: Carington has won more Olympic medals than his five. He

1732
01:28:10,427 --> 01:28:14,187
Speaker 2: won New Zealand's first ever Olympic equestrian medal in nineteen

1733
01:28:14,227 --> 01:28:17,107
Speaker 2: eighty four and a gold won two in Los Angeles

1734
01:28:17,187 --> 01:28:20,027
Speaker 2: and then repeated the dos in Soul four years later.

1735
01:28:20,267 --> 01:28:22,107
Speaker 2: And he's clear over that he can do what he

1736
01:28:22,307 --> 01:28:23,387
Speaker 2: likes with these last two.

1737
01:28:23,467 --> 01:28:24,547
Speaker 22: It really doesn't matter.

1738
01:28:24,707 --> 01:28:27,227
Speaker 2: It's time for two two for time.

1739
01:28:27,867 --> 01:28:32,227
Speaker 17: Mark todsma the first time since nineteen thirty two that

1740
01:28:32,547 --> 01:28:35,427
Speaker 17: one horse and rider have won the Olympic gold medal

1741
01:28:35,507 --> 01:28:38,827
Speaker 17: for the three day events in two successive Olympic Games.

1742
01:28:38,867 --> 01:28:40,107
Speaker 8: And it was a key where you who.

1743
01:28:39,987 --> 01:28:42,747
Speaker 2: Doesn't he had back to back gold medals for Mark Todd.

1744
01:28:42,827 --> 01:28:46,267
Speaker 2: Then he also won individual bronze in Sydney in two

1745
01:28:46,347 --> 01:28:49,107
Speaker 2: thousand and was part of bronze medal winning New Zealand

1746
01:28:49,107 --> 01:28:51,827
Speaker 2: teams in nineteen eighty eight and again at London in

1747
01:28:51,907 --> 01:28:56,147
Speaker 2: twenty twelve. Among the many accolades in an incredible career,

1748
01:28:56,427 --> 01:28:59,107
Speaker 2: he was named Writer of the century by the International

1749
01:28:59,227 --> 01:29:03,667
Speaker 2: Equestrian Federation in two thousand and In twenty thirteen, he

1750
01:29:03,827 --> 01:29:07,507
Speaker 2: was knighted for services to a quest in sport. Sir

1751
01:29:07,627 --> 01:29:09,707
Speaker 2: Mark Todd is with us. Great to get the chance

1752
01:29:09,787 --> 01:29:11,867
Speaker 2: to chat to you, so Mark, thanks for taking our call.

1753
01:29:12,467 --> 01:29:14,627
Speaker 2: How did it all begin for you? When did you

1754
01:29:14,787 --> 01:29:16,827
Speaker 2: first get onto a horse?

1755
01:29:18,187 --> 01:29:22,627
Speaker 24: Well, I mean I was one of those pony crazy kids.

1756
01:29:22,667 --> 01:29:24,987
Speaker 24: I mean, I don't I don't know where it came from.

1757
01:29:25,107 --> 01:29:28,107
Speaker 24: My family was not into horses at all. The only

1758
01:29:28,187 --> 01:29:30,987
Speaker 24: things my grandfather had a farm and he had he

1759
01:29:31,067 --> 01:29:34,307
Speaker 24: had horses on it. But it's all I ever wanted

1760
01:29:34,347 --> 01:29:37,387
Speaker 24: to do. And I suppose the first time I sat

1761
01:29:37,427 --> 01:29:39,507
Speaker 24: on a horse, that's probably about five or six.

1762
01:29:40,387 --> 01:29:44,027
Speaker 2: When did you start taking it seriously, start thinking about

1763
01:29:44,067 --> 01:29:46,067
Speaker 2: it as as something you could do at a at

1764
01:29:46,107 --> 01:29:46,947
Speaker 2: an elite level.

1765
01:29:51,147 --> 01:29:53,907
Speaker 24: I guess not till I was sort of in my

1766
01:29:54,507 --> 01:29:57,427
Speaker 24: in my late teens, that you know, I was competing

1767
01:29:57,467 --> 01:30:03,587
Speaker 24: in the local so I guess I had a reasonable

1768
01:30:03,627 --> 01:30:09,827
Speaker 24: amount of success. And I've always read books and watch

1769
01:30:09,947 --> 01:30:12,667
Speaker 24: things that going on overseas, and of course the Olympic

1770
01:30:12,747 --> 01:30:18,547
Speaker 24: Games is always always something very special, and I guess

1771
01:30:18,627 --> 01:30:21,507
Speaker 24: I started to aspire to to want to ride in

1772
01:30:21,547 --> 01:30:25,147
Speaker 24: the Olympics, and it all sort of went from there,

1773
01:30:25,187 --> 01:30:29,227
Speaker 24: and in nineteen seventy eight I went on my first

1774
01:30:29,667 --> 01:30:33,347
Speaker 24: trip abroad to America to the World Championships, were there,

1775
01:30:34,187 --> 01:30:36,747
Speaker 24: and I guess it all went on from there.

1776
01:30:37,107 --> 01:30:39,547
Speaker 2: And selection in the team for the Moscow Games in

1777
01:30:39,667 --> 01:30:43,507
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty, which of course were largely boycotted by New Zealand.

1778
01:30:43,587 --> 01:30:45,547
Speaker 2: How much of a disappointment was that for you?

1779
01:30:47,347 --> 01:30:50,387
Speaker 22: Well, when you're sort of I don't know how old

1780
01:30:50,507 --> 01:30:50,867
Speaker 22: was I there.

1781
01:30:50,947 --> 01:30:55,827
Speaker 24: I was quite young, and you think, you know, you

1782
01:30:56,227 --> 01:30:58,547
Speaker 24: get selected for Olympic Games and you think, oh my god,

1783
01:30:58,787 --> 01:31:00,827
Speaker 24: this is going to be, you know, my only chance,

1784
01:31:01,067 --> 01:31:06,027
Speaker 24: and suddenly it was gone. You know, little did I

1785
01:31:06,187 --> 01:31:10,267
Speaker 24: know that instead of the end, it was just the beginning.

1786
01:31:11,467 --> 01:31:14,187
Speaker 24: But yeah, at the time it was very disappointing, but

1787
01:31:14,387 --> 01:31:18,347
Speaker 24: you know, you have to understand the reasons behind it,

1788
01:31:18,827 --> 01:31:24,387
Speaker 24: and I guess they were the right reasons. But luckily,

1789
01:31:25,067 --> 01:31:27,387
Speaker 24: you know, I got more chances.

1790
01:31:28,227 --> 01:31:31,627
Speaker 2: A lot more chances. Nineteen eighty four, sir Mark, your

1791
01:31:31,667 --> 01:31:35,427
Speaker 2: gold was New Zealand's first year but a questrian Olympic medal,

1792
01:31:35,467 --> 01:31:38,067
Speaker 2: and a gold one at that. Can you remember how

1793
01:31:38,147 --> 01:31:41,627
Speaker 2: confident you felt going into LA in nineteen eighty four.

1794
01:31:42,987 --> 01:31:49,027
Speaker 24: Well, I just struck up a partnership with Charisma the

1795
01:31:49,147 --> 01:31:53,907
Speaker 24: year before and we came to England at the beginning

1796
01:31:53,987 --> 01:32:02,147
Speaker 24: of nineteen eighty four with the idea of going to

1797
01:32:02,187 --> 01:32:05,507
Speaker 24: the Olympic Games because he'd had a very good form

1798
01:32:05,587 --> 01:32:09,187
Speaker 24: in New Zealand. But we went to Badminton horse trials

1799
01:32:10,827 --> 01:32:14,187
Speaker 24: in the spring of the Northern Hemisphere, which was sort

1800
01:32:14,227 --> 01:32:19,467
Speaker 24: of April May, and he was he was second at Badminton,

1801
01:32:20,827 --> 01:32:25,947
Speaker 24: so I went to I went to LA feeling confident

1802
01:32:26,067 --> 01:32:29,387
Speaker 24: that he would be competitive, or that we could be competitive.

1803
01:32:30,587 --> 01:32:32,387
Speaker 24: You know, in these sort of competitions, you never go

1804
01:32:32,467 --> 01:32:34,347
Speaker 24: into and think, oh, I'm going to win this, because

1805
01:32:35,027 --> 01:32:37,267
Speaker 24: you know, in a three day event, there's so many

1806
01:32:37,307 --> 01:32:40,627
Speaker 24: different phases, so many different facets that you know any

1807
01:32:40,667 --> 01:32:43,827
Speaker 24: stage anything can go wrong. And of course, you know

1808
01:32:44,427 --> 01:32:48,307
Speaker 24: at badminton you mostly have the English and the Irish

1809
01:32:48,347 --> 01:32:50,787
Speaker 24: and maybe some of the Europeans. You go to the

1810
01:32:50,827 --> 01:32:53,627
Speaker 24: Olympic Games, you have you have competitors from all over

1811
01:32:53,667 --> 01:32:56,667
Speaker 24: the world, so it is a different ball game. So

1812
01:32:57,147 --> 01:33:02,947
Speaker 24: I went there feeling confident of a good performance, hopefully

1813
01:33:03,067 --> 01:33:06,787
Speaker 24: finishing in the in the top ten, but of course

1814
01:33:06,947 --> 01:33:10,347
Speaker 24: come away winning it was was extraordinary really.

1815
01:33:10,627 --> 01:33:12,947
Speaker 2: So you were second going into the show jumping after

1816
01:33:12,987 --> 01:33:16,267
Speaker 2: the dressage and the cross country, and a clear round

1817
01:33:16,787 --> 01:33:20,067
Speaker 2: put the heat on American Karen stives if she went

1818
01:33:20,187 --> 01:33:24,827
Speaker 2: clear she would win gold. But on the penultimate obstacle,

1819
01:33:24,907 --> 01:33:27,667
Speaker 2: her horse Ben Arthur clipped a rail. I remember seeing

1820
01:33:27,707 --> 01:33:30,947
Speaker 2: some footage actually some mark of you having a cigarette

1821
01:33:31,027 --> 01:33:34,427
Speaker 2: during around and sort of only keeping half an eye

1822
01:33:34,467 --> 01:33:36,107
Speaker 2: on it. Can you remember the moment though, that her

1823
01:33:36,227 --> 01:33:39,867
Speaker 2: horse clipped that rail and gold was confirmed for you?

1824
01:33:41,547 --> 01:33:41,707
Speaker 15: Oh?

1825
01:33:42,067 --> 01:33:44,067
Speaker 22: Absolutely, like yesterday.

1826
01:33:44,987 --> 01:33:48,867
Speaker 24: Yeah, no, sadly I was smoking in those days and

1827
01:33:49,827 --> 01:33:53,347
Speaker 24: it was quite a nerve wrecking time. I mean, Charisma

1828
01:33:53,467 --> 01:33:55,707
Speaker 24: wasn't a great show jumper, I mean that was his

1829
01:33:55,907 --> 01:33:59,707
Speaker 24: weakest thing. And we'd managed to jump a clear round

1830
01:34:02,587 --> 01:34:05,307
Speaker 24: and then Karen's horse would of course, we were the

1831
01:34:05,387 --> 01:34:08,467
Speaker 24: last two to go. She warming up with me at

1832
01:34:08,507 --> 01:34:11,587
Speaker 24: the same time, and her horse was like just looping

1833
01:34:11,667 --> 01:34:14,307
Speaker 24: the loop over the fences, and I didn't think it

1834
01:34:14,427 --> 01:34:18,227
Speaker 24: was going to touch one, so I'd sort of wandered

1835
01:34:18,307 --> 01:34:21,267
Speaker 24: down to the rails to watch the last few of

1836
01:34:22,867 --> 01:34:25,667
Speaker 24: her jumped the last few fences, and as I did

1837
01:34:25,787 --> 01:34:31,027
Speaker 24: so he had the rail down. Maybe it was something

1838
01:34:31,107 --> 01:34:35,507
Speaker 24: I was putting out there, but yeah, no, I couldn't

1839
01:34:35,547 --> 01:34:38,747
Speaker 24: quite believe it. I think if you watched that footage

1840
01:34:38,747 --> 01:34:41,107
Speaker 24: back again, I sort of put my hands over my

1841
01:34:41,187 --> 01:34:43,067
Speaker 24: head in disbelief.

1842
01:34:44,147 --> 01:34:45,627
Speaker 22: No, it meant I'd won it.

1843
01:34:45,787 --> 01:34:48,587
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a terrific footage. I've watched it a

1844
01:34:48,667 --> 01:34:51,027
Speaker 2: lot on the lead up to chatting to you. How

1845
01:34:51,107 --> 01:34:53,747
Speaker 2: much did Los Angeles change your life?

1846
01:35:00,627 --> 01:35:04,267
Speaker 24: It didn't, It didn't. I mean, you know, life, life

1847
01:35:04,387 --> 01:35:08,507
Speaker 24: goes on, and you know, you you come back to

1848
01:35:08,587 --> 01:35:12,867
Speaker 24: reality and of your day to day existence and life

1849
01:35:12,987 --> 01:35:17,947
Speaker 24: is just the same. It certainly gave me a certain

1850
01:35:17,987 --> 01:35:22,907
Speaker 24: amount of recognition, and you know, it took a while

1851
01:35:23,067 --> 01:35:25,187
Speaker 24: for it to think in that you know it actually

1852
01:35:25,667 --> 01:35:28,107
Speaker 24: you know, won a gold medal at the Los Angeles

1853
01:35:28,187 --> 01:35:34,347
Speaker 24: Olympic Games. It certainly did. But I guess it did

1854
01:35:34,467 --> 01:35:37,907
Speaker 24: change my life a little bit. But in the reality

1855
01:35:38,027 --> 01:35:40,387
Speaker 24: the day to day it didn't.

1856
01:35:41,467 --> 01:35:44,667
Speaker 2: Was it always the plan to keep charisma as your

1857
01:35:44,747 --> 01:35:47,747
Speaker 2: mount through to the nineteen eighty eight Games in soul?

1858
01:35:48,627 --> 01:35:51,627
Speaker 24: Yeah, Well, if you've if you've read the story, you know,

1859
01:35:52,707 --> 01:35:55,107
Speaker 24: you know it was a little bit more complicated than that.

1860
01:35:56,907 --> 01:36:01,067
Speaker 24: He was owned by a woman in New Zealand, and

1861
01:36:02,547 --> 01:36:04,867
Speaker 24: she'd agreed that I could ride him and bring him to.

1862
01:36:07,307 --> 01:36:10,627
Speaker 22: The Olympic Games. And then after that.

1863
01:36:13,307 --> 01:36:14,747
Speaker 24: It was a little bit a little bit of a

1864
01:36:14,827 --> 01:36:17,947
Speaker 24: complicated story, but she decided that she wanted to sell

1865
01:36:18,027 --> 01:36:21,667
Speaker 24: the horse and didn't want me to ride it anymore.

1866
01:36:23,827 --> 01:36:24,667
Speaker 22: But luckily.

1867
01:36:26,027 --> 01:36:30,787
Speaker 24: My sponsor at the time will Rest, with Bill and

1868
01:36:31,107 --> 01:36:36,027
Speaker 24: Judy Hall, who were the owners of will Rest, we

1869
01:36:36,427 --> 01:36:39,747
Speaker 24: devised a plan where somebody else came in to buy

1870
01:36:39,827 --> 01:36:45,707
Speaker 24: the horse on our behalf, and we managed to secure

1871
01:36:45,787 --> 01:36:49,347
Speaker 24: the horse and again to go to the following Olympics,

1872
01:36:49,507 --> 01:36:51,107
Speaker 24: which again he duly won.

1873
01:36:51,347 --> 01:36:55,427
Speaker 2: Yeah, and by comparison to nineteen eighty four, so mark,

1874
01:36:55,467 --> 01:36:57,667
Speaker 2: from memory, nineteen eighty eight was a lot more comfortable.

1875
01:36:57,947 --> 01:36:58,867
Speaker 2: Is that how you remember it?

1876
01:37:00,107 --> 01:37:02,827
Speaker 24: Yeah? Well, you know, he by that time he was

1877
01:37:02,947 --> 01:37:07,627
Speaker 24: sixteen and we weren't quite sure whether you know not

1878
01:37:07,747 --> 01:37:12,267
Speaker 24: many sixteen year olds were competing at that time, but

1879
01:37:12,987 --> 01:37:15,707
Speaker 24: he and the lead up to the Olympic Games, he

1880
01:37:15,867 --> 01:37:18,587
Speaker 24: just felt he felt amazing. So we just I had

1881
01:37:18,667 --> 01:37:22,427
Speaker 24: two horses at a reserve horse, but we decided to

1882
01:37:23,067 --> 01:37:29,827
Speaker 24: take Charisma. He won the dressage, he had the fastest

1883
01:37:29,947 --> 01:37:34,267
Speaker 24: time cross country and we actually went into the show

1884
01:37:34,387 --> 01:37:36,987
Speaker 24: jumping with a relatively comfortable.

1885
01:37:38,307 --> 01:37:38,507
Speaker 22: Lead.

1886
01:37:38,667 --> 01:37:42,547
Speaker 24: He I think he had two fences in hand going

1887
01:37:42,627 --> 01:37:47,107
Speaker 24: into the show jumping phase. So it gave me a

1888
01:37:47,187 --> 01:37:49,307
Speaker 24: little bit, you know, as I said, you know, show

1889
01:37:49,427 --> 01:37:54,587
Speaker 24: jumping wasn't his strongest point. I think he from memory,

1890
01:37:54,627 --> 01:38:00,747
Speaker 24: I think he had one down, but then it was

1891
01:38:00,907 --> 01:38:03,787
Speaker 24: it was enough to enough of a he had enough

1892
01:38:03,827 --> 01:38:05,667
Speaker 24: of a lead going to the show jumping that even

1893
01:38:05,707 --> 01:38:07,747
Speaker 24: with one down still won quite comfortably.

1894
01:38:08,307 --> 01:38:10,467
Speaker 2: So back to back gold medals eighty four and eighty eight.

1895
01:38:10,587 --> 01:38:13,227
Speaker 2: Want to bring you forward to Sydney two thousand of

1896
01:38:13,347 --> 01:38:18,147
Speaker 2: bronze there and then you took eight years out from writing,

1897
01:38:18,227 --> 01:38:20,547
Speaker 2: did a bit of coaching. Why did you decide to

1898
01:38:21,027 --> 01:38:24,187
Speaker 2: take time out from competing at the top level.

1899
01:38:25,427 --> 01:38:28,467
Speaker 24: Well, I was in my forties by that stage, and

1900
01:38:30,347 --> 01:38:33,547
Speaker 24: you know, I'd sort of lost motivation a little bit.

1901
01:38:34,947 --> 01:38:40,427
Speaker 24: You know, I'd won badminton several times, I've won early

1902
01:38:40,547 --> 01:38:44,547
Speaker 24: several times, I'd won two Olympics, and I sort of thought, well,

1903
01:38:46,667 --> 01:38:49,627
Speaker 24: if I don't try and do something else now, I'm

1904
01:38:49,667 --> 01:38:51,787
Speaker 24: going to be too old. And like I say, I'd

1905
01:38:51,787 --> 01:38:55,587
Speaker 24: sort of lost motivation a little bit. So we decided

1906
01:38:55,707 --> 01:38:58,347
Speaker 24: to call it a day, come back to New Zealand

1907
01:39:00,427 --> 01:39:09,547
Speaker 24: And and get into raceources, breeding and train racehourses and

1908
01:39:09,667 --> 01:39:15,347
Speaker 24: that that lasted for eight years and then we're living

1909
01:39:15,427 --> 01:39:22,667
Speaker 24: quite happily down in South Island. When two old friends,

1910
01:39:23,267 --> 01:39:26,987
Speaker 24: Eric Devander and Tinks Pottinger came to stay and they

1911
01:39:27,027 --> 01:39:29,827
Speaker 24: were they were doing a training clinic in the South Lands,

1912
01:39:29,867 --> 01:39:32,547
Speaker 24: and they said, over quite a lot of red wine

1913
01:39:32,587 --> 01:39:34,787
Speaker 24: one night, way don't why don't you get a horse

1914
01:39:34,867 --> 01:39:35,707
Speaker 24: and try out for the.

1915
01:39:37,267 --> 01:39:42,427
Speaker 22: For the soul. I'm not sold Beijing Olympics.

1916
01:39:45,267 --> 01:39:47,347
Speaker 24: And I said, will you find me a horse and

1917
01:39:48,627 --> 01:39:51,947
Speaker 24: I'll think about it, and thought nothing more of that.

1918
01:39:53,267 --> 01:39:56,747
Speaker 24: And then a few months later thinks rings up and

1919
01:39:56,827 --> 01:40:01,067
Speaker 24: said I think I found you a horse, and and

1920
01:40:01,227 --> 01:40:03,667
Speaker 24: that was literally how I got back into it. So

1921
01:40:03,787 --> 01:40:05,707
Speaker 24: then went and had a look at the horse, gammed off.

1922
01:40:07,747 --> 01:40:10,747
Speaker 24: I thought, well I probably won't like him, so that'll

1923
01:40:10,787 --> 01:40:11,307
Speaker 24: be the end of it.

1924
01:40:12,787 --> 01:40:13,307
Speaker 22: But I did.

1925
01:40:13,427 --> 01:40:16,187
Speaker 24: I quite like them. Thought well he probably won't pass

1926
01:40:16,267 --> 01:40:17,827
Speaker 24: the vest and that'll be the end of it, but

1927
01:40:17,947 --> 01:40:23,147
Speaker 24: he did. I then rang a good friend Peter Vella

1928
01:40:23,227 --> 01:40:26,827
Speaker 24: of Sir Peter Veller of New Zealand Bloodstock, and said,

1929
01:40:27,427 --> 01:40:32,667
Speaker 24: would you be prepared to sponsor sponsors to go have

1930
01:40:32,787 --> 01:40:35,907
Speaker 24: a go at the Olympics, and he said, well, give

1931
01:40:35,947 --> 01:40:38,267
Speaker 24: me a minute and I'll think about it. Anyway, he

1932
01:40:38,387 --> 01:40:40,507
Speaker 24: literally rang back a minute later and said, yes, we'll

1933
01:40:40,547 --> 01:40:44,467
Speaker 24: do it. So that is how I got back into it.

1934
01:40:44,467 --> 01:40:46,467
Speaker 24: And there was always the intention just to go to

1935
01:40:47,427 --> 01:40:50,547
Speaker 24: go to Hong Kong for the Olympics and then that

1936
01:40:50,587 --> 01:40:51,467
Speaker 24: would be it, but.

1937
01:40:53,947 --> 01:40:56,427
Speaker 22: It wasn't. We carried on.

1938
01:40:57,907 --> 01:41:01,987
Speaker 2: Indeed two more twenty twelve London Bronze again as part

1939
01:41:02,027 --> 01:41:05,027
Speaker 2: of the New Zealand team, then twenty sixteen in Rio.

1940
01:41:05,147 --> 01:41:07,907
Speaker 2: Did you know after Rio that that that would definitely

1941
01:41:07,987 --> 01:41:08,147
Speaker 2: be it?

1942
01:41:09,347 --> 01:41:11,747
Speaker 24: Yeah, I mean that was you know, I think I'd

1943
01:41:11,787 --> 01:41:15,947
Speaker 24: sort of pushed pushed the boat long enough. And Ria,

1944
01:41:16,027 --> 01:41:19,427
Speaker 24: I have to say, was probably one of the biggest disappointments,

1945
01:41:20,467 --> 01:41:26,387
Speaker 24: you know, of my career, for personally and for the team.

1946
01:41:27,307 --> 01:41:31,427
Speaker 24: We went into the went into the show jumping on

1947
01:41:31,547 --> 01:41:35,347
Speaker 24: a horse that normally jumps really really well and is

1948
01:41:35,467 --> 01:41:40,027
Speaker 24: pretty reliable in the show jumping and silver medal, individual

1949
01:41:40,147 --> 01:41:46,027
Speaker 24: silver medal position and team gold. I came out of

1950
01:41:46,147 --> 01:41:51,307
Speaker 24: the show jumping with nothing. The first rail down, we

1951
01:41:51,427 --> 01:41:54,307
Speaker 24: slipped from gold to silver. The second rail down, we

1952
01:41:55,027 --> 01:41:58,307
Speaker 24: slipped to bronze and the third rail down. We were

1953
01:41:58,387 --> 01:42:01,467
Speaker 24: out of it, and it was there was nothing I

1954
01:42:01,547 --> 01:42:03,947
Speaker 24: could do on the horse. He just froze when he

1955
01:42:04,027 --> 01:42:08,467
Speaker 24: got in there and just kept having rails and it

1956
01:42:08,707 --> 01:42:13,387
Speaker 24: was I mean, you know, I was gutted personally not

1957
01:42:13,547 --> 01:42:19,227
Speaker 24: to to win another individual medal at what I knew

1958
01:42:19,347 --> 01:42:22,587
Speaker 24: was going to be my last Olympics. But when you

1959
01:42:22,707 --> 01:42:26,787
Speaker 24: let the team down like that, it's it's something totally different.

1960
01:42:26,907 --> 01:42:30,427
Speaker 22: And no, it was. It was not a great day.

1961
01:42:30,507 --> 01:42:31,067
Speaker 22: I'm afraid.

1962
01:42:32,067 --> 01:42:34,707
Speaker 2: How did you come to terms with it, with with

1963
01:42:34,867 --> 01:42:35,467
Speaker 2: what it happened?

1964
01:42:36,667 --> 01:42:39,147
Speaker 24: Well, listenless you've been in the sport as long as

1965
01:42:39,227 --> 01:42:43,267
Speaker 24: I have, you have you have good days and then

1966
01:42:43,307 --> 01:42:46,627
Speaker 24: you have bad days and there is no way around it.

1967
01:42:46,987 --> 01:42:50,587
Speaker 24: And you know, I've had had lots of bad days,

1968
01:42:51,467 --> 01:42:54,147
Speaker 24: you know, through through my career, and you've just got

1969
01:42:54,267 --> 01:42:57,907
Speaker 24: to pick yourself up and just say, oh, that was

1970
01:42:58,507 --> 01:43:02,227
Speaker 24: didn't work, and you know, it's it's not life changing.

1971
01:43:02,507 --> 01:43:06,787
Speaker 24: It's disappointing that it's not life changing, and you just

1972
01:43:06,867 --> 01:43:09,067
Speaker 24: have to put it in perspective. And you know, I

1973
01:43:09,187 --> 01:43:11,227
Speaker 24: have to say, you know the rest of the team,

1974
01:43:12,827 --> 01:43:16,787
Speaker 24: you know, they were great as well, and we had

1975
01:43:16,827 --> 01:43:20,627
Speaker 24: a few drinks and commiseration that night and everybody was,

1976
01:43:20,827 --> 01:43:23,427
Speaker 24: you know, disappointed, but still in good spirits.

1977
01:43:23,507 --> 01:43:28,947
Speaker 2: So, yeah, across your career you achieved so much, and

1978
01:43:28,987 --> 01:43:32,747
Speaker 2: you talked about badminton and burley. Where do your Olympic

1979
01:43:32,867 --> 01:43:35,027
Speaker 2: gold medals rank in all of that smark?

1980
01:43:36,187 --> 01:43:38,987
Speaker 24: You know, the thing about winning an Olympic medal is

1981
01:43:39,147 --> 01:43:41,387
Speaker 24: you know, you know, you know I can win. You know,

1982
01:43:41,427 --> 01:43:45,107
Speaker 24: I won four badmintons, I won five Burley's. And to

1983
01:43:45,707 --> 01:43:48,507
Speaker 24: the average person, you know, that probably means nothing. They

1984
01:43:48,547 --> 01:43:50,827
Speaker 24: don't know what that is. But if you say you

1985
01:43:50,907 --> 01:43:56,027
Speaker 24: won an Olympic gold medal, it's it's immediately recognized as

1986
01:43:56,067 --> 01:43:59,587
Speaker 24: a you know, a sporting achievement. And I think that's

1987
01:43:59,627 --> 01:44:01,787
Speaker 24: the biggest thing, you know that within the sport. The

1988
01:44:01,827 --> 01:44:06,547
Speaker 24: Olympics probably isn't as big as badminton and burley, but

1989
01:44:06,707 --> 01:44:09,027
Speaker 24: it's you know, the Olympics are the Olympics and then

1990
01:44:09,227 --> 01:44:12,067
Speaker 24: and you know for that reason, they're just very very special.

1991
01:44:12,627 --> 01:44:15,107
Speaker 2: Where do you keep your Olympic medals.

1992
01:44:16,507 --> 01:44:20,787
Speaker 24: At the moment, they're they're in a drawer in a

1993
01:44:20,907 --> 01:44:28,227
Speaker 24: safe place. Yeah, every now and again I get asked

1994
01:44:28,267 --> 01:44:33,227
Speaker 24: to bring them out and show people and uh yeah,

1995
01:44:33,707 --> 01:44:36,267
Speaker 24: they know they're very special a bit.

1996
01:44:36,347 --> 01:44:37,867
Speaker 2: So what takes up most of your time now?

1997
01:44:39,187 --> 01:44:43,267
Speaker 24: Well, I'm back training race horses for the moment anyway,

1998
01:44:44,067 --> 01:44:48,307
Speaker 24: so yeah, we're you know, mornings start early, horses have

1999
01:44:48,427 --> 01:44:51,907
Speaker 24: to be fared, worked and everything else. So in that respect,

2000
01:44:51,947 --> 01:44:55,627
Speaker 24: my life hasn't really changed so and and horses always

2001
01:44:55,667 --> 01:44:59,227
Speaker 24: will have a have a part of my life. That's

2002
01:44:59,307 --> 01:45:03,547
Speaker 24: we're looking to maybe slow down a bit from next

2003
01:45:03,667 --> 01:45:07,827
Speaker 24: year on, so we will we will see, all right.

2004
01:45:07,907 --> 01:45:11,307
Speaker 2: And in Olympic Games rushing up fast with a questrian

2005
01:45:11,347 --> 01:45:14,707
Speaker 2: obviously there and keywis competing. Will you be following along

2006
01:45:15,067 --> 01:45:18,267
Speaker 2: the you know, the the equestrian events in Paris?

2007
01:45:19,227 --> 01:45:19,347
Speaker 8: Oh?

2008
01:45:19,467 --> 01:45:20,387
Speaker 22: Absolutely, yeah.

2009
01:45:20,547 --> 01:45:24,027
Speaker 24: I mean you know I love watching the Olympics and

2010
01:45:25,467 --> 01:45:27,627
Speaker 24: and well I'll be again watching out for the New

2011
01:45:27,747 --> 01:45:31,067
Speaker 24: Zealand team and keeping fingers cross that you know, we

2012
01:45:31,187 --> 01:45:36,627
Speaker 24: have a good a good Olympics. The equestrian team, I

2013
01:45:37,187 --> 01:45:42,587
Speaker 24: obviously know them all really well, so I'll certainly be

2014
01:45:42,707 --> 01:45:46,547
Speaker 24: watching out for them as well. It'll be it'll be

2015
01:45:46,667 --> 01:45:49,547
Speaker 24: great in Paris. It'll be a wonderful, wonderful specle They'll

2016
01:45:49,547 --> 01:45:50,187
Speaker 24: do it really well.

2017
01:45:50,347 --> 01:45:56,027
Speaker 2: Yeah, I bet they will, so Mark. It's been so interesting, educational, entertaining,

2018
01:45:56,267 --> 01:45:58,827
Speaker 2: informative and a real pleasure to catch up with you,

2019
01:45:58,907 --> 01:46:02,027
Speaker 2: one of our truly great Olympians. Thank you for taking

2020
01:46:02,067 --> 01:46:04,427
Speaker 2: time to chat to us on our road to Paris.

2021
01:46:04,547 --> 01:46:07,947
Speaker 2: All the best for what lies ahead. Thanks for your time, pleasure.

2022
01:46:08,187 --> 01:46:10,507
Speaker 2: Thank you very much, No, thank you, Sir Mark. Sir

2023
01:46:10,587 --> 01:46:14,507
Speaker 2: Mark Todd there, seven time Olympian, five time Olympic medallist

2024
01:46:15,067 --> 01:46:19,827
Speaker 2: and double gold medal winning three day event aboard Charisma

2025
01:46:20,027 --> 01:46:22,867
Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty four and again in nineteen eighty eight.

2026
01:46:23,467 --> 01:46:27,227
Speaker 2: Our Road to Paris feature continues next Sunday after two

2027
01:46:27,267 --> 01:46:31,107
Speaker 2: o'clock as we continue to highlight and remember some of

2028
01:46:31,147 --> 01:46:34,267
Speaker 2: the great Olympic moments in our history. Bang on two

2029
01:46:34,347 --> 01:46:35,827
Speaker 2: thirty on weekends Sport back after.

2030
01:46:35,747 --> 01:46:39,547
Speaker 1: This the tough Questions Off the Turf Weekends for It

2031
01:46:39,827 --> 01:46:43,787
Speaker 1: with Jason Hine and GJ. Gardnerholmes, New Zealand's most trusted

2032
01:46:43,867 --> 01:46:45,147
Speaker 1: home builder news Dog.

2033
01:46:46,187 --> 01:46:47,907
Speaker 2: Just on twenty seven to three. Couple of texts here

2034
01:46:47,947 --> 01:46:50,627
Speaker 2: on Mark Todd Pony. Mark Todd was the subject of

2035
01:46:50,867 --> 01:46:53,067
Speaker 2: the very first New Zealand edition of This Is Your Life,

2036
01:46:53,467 --> 01:46:57,107
Speaker 2: hosted by Bob Parker. Thanks Terry appreciate that and text

2037
01:46:57,147 --> 01:46:59,427
Speaker 2: are here. Jason, I'll never forget that moment when the

2038
01:46:59,467 --> 01:47:02,507
Speaker 2: American horse dropped the rail. In nineteen eighty four, we

2039
01:47:02,587 --> 01:47:04,827
Speaker 2: were in the sixth form common room at Saint pat

2040
01:47:04,907 --> 01:47:08,387
Speaker 2: silver Stream Saturday morning. We had scool on Saturday mornings

2041
01:47:08,827 --> 01:47:12,027
Speaker 2: and we just went crazy when Mark Todd won the gold. Screaming, yelling,

2042
01:47:12,147 --> 01:47:15,427
Speaker 2: jumping up and down. Great sporting memory from nineteen eighty four.

2043
01:47:15,787 --> 01:47:18,387
Speaker 2: Thanks George Yea. I remember it pretty clearly as well. Yeah,

2044
01:47:18,387 --> 01:47:20,667
Speaker 2: I do remember it being a Saturday morning here in

2045
01:47:20,747 --> 01:47:23,507
Speaker 2: New Zealand. A quick update on the cricket in the

2046
01:47:23,547 --> 01:47:27,067
Speaker 2: Super Eights Afghanistan against Australia. Afghanistan kind of stumbled a

2047
01:47:27,107 --> 01:47:30,067
Speaker 2: bit after they got through one hundred and eighteen without loss,

2048
01:47:30,227 --> 01:47:32,227
Speaker 2: but then only got to one forty eight for six.

2049
01:47:32,827 --> 01:47:35,467
Speaker 2: So one forty nine is Australia's target, but they're twenty

2050
01:47:35,507 --> 01:47:38,667
Speaker 2: one for two. Trevis Head out for a duck and

2051
01:47:38,747 --> 01:47:42,547
Speaker 2: Mitchell Marsh the captain dismissed for twelve. David Warner Glenn

2052
01:47:42,587 --> 01:47:44,867
Speaker 2: Maxwell together twenty one for two and the fourth over

2053
01:47:45,187 --> 01:47:49,107
Speaker 2: Australia chasing one forty nine to beat Afghanistan and the

2054
01:47:49,147 --> 01:47:52,027
Speaker 2: Super sixers and we've had a couple of people asking

2055
01:47:52,107 --> 01:47:55,507
Speaker 2: about Jared's call. Yeah, this was a call that we played.

2056
01:47:56,107 --> 01:47:59,467
Speaker 2: We played last hour when we were talking about the Warriors.

2057
01:48:00,667 --> 01:48:03,347
Speaker 2: There was actually a call from six years ago, back

2058
01:48:03,427 --> 01:48:06,747
Speaker 2: in twenty eighteen when the Warriors lost to the Typeton's.

2059
01:48:07,387 --> 01:48:10,227
Speaker 2: I was on the air on Radio Sport back then

2060
01:48:10,547 --> 01:48:12,027
Speaker 2: and Jared called up the next day.

2061
01:48:12,587 --> 01:48:14,227
Speaker 8: You just wanted to quickly to say a few words.

2062
01:48:14,267 --> 01:48:15,187
Speaker 9: We're going to Warriors.

2063
01:48:15,507 --> 01:48:21,787
Speaker 6: Yeah, I've start with this boom boom, boom boom.

2064
01:48:22,747 --> 01:48:30,387
Speaker 20: You're playing the Titans, the Titans, Titan. It was crap, soft,

2065
01:48:31,147 --> 01:48:33,107
Speaker 20: lazy week heartless.

2066
01:48:33,427 --> 01:48:35,187
Speaker 5: He was no mental fortitude.

2067
01:48:35,507 --> 01:48:41,667
Speaker 20: It was soft boom boom boom, awful persis.

2068
01:48:42,587 --> 01:48:42,907
Speaker 5: Thank you.

2069
01:48:44,787 --> 01:48:46,787
Speaker 2: So I was reminded of that last night. I'm glad

2070
01:48:46,787 --> 01:48:49,707
Speaker 2: that they kept it after all these years. Six years

2071
01:48:49,787 --> 01:48:52,307
Speaker 2: on twenty five to three, we'll take another break when

2072
01:48:52,307 --> 01:48:54,467
Speaker 2: we come back. Wayne Goldsmith out Coaching Guru on the

2073
01:48:54,547 --> 01:48:59,067
Speaker 2: best approach for a new coach going into an established environment.

2074
01:48:59,747 --> 01:49:03,307
Speaker 1: The biggest things in sport are on Weekend Sport with

2075
01:49:03,507 --> 01:49:07,947
Speaker 1: Jason PyME and GJ Jubnos, Zealand's most trusted home builder

2076
01:49:08,107 --> 01:49:08,627
Speaker 1: news Dogs.

2077
01:49:08,667 --> 01:49:12,227
Speaker 2: That'd be twenty two to three every month or so

2078
01:49:12,347 --> 01:49:14,347
Speaker 2: we get the benefit of the wisdom of coaching guru

2079
01:49:14,467 --> 01:49:17,667
Speaker 2: Wayne Goldsmith, who has shaped the thinking of coaches around

2080
01:49:17,667 --> 01:49:20,427
Speaker 2: the world from elite through to grassroots, and with Scott

2081
01:49:20,547 --> 01:49:23,067
Speaker 2: Robertson set to name his first all black squad tomorrow,

2082
01:49:23,067 --> 01:49:25,587
Speaker 2: I wanted to get Wayne's views on the concept of

2083
01:49:25,627 --> 01:49:29,067
Speaker 2: a new coach taking on an established team. How should

2084
01:49:29,067 --> 01:49:31,667
Speaker 2: they approach that, should they bring their own ideas but

2085
01:49:31,787 --> 01:49:35,067
Speaker 2: also go with what's been working under the previous coach

2086
01:49:35,267 --> 01:49:38,627
Speaker 2: and what is the best balance to strike Wayne Goldsmith

2087
01:49:38,667 --> 01:49:40,987
Speaker 2: as well as Wayne, when I asked you about this topic,

2088
01:49:41,107 --> 01:49:44,787
Speaker 2: you sent back three possible approaches for us to examine,

2089
01:49:44,827 --> 01:49:47,507
Speaker 2: one by one. So let's go through those. The first

2090
01:49:48,107 --> 01:49:50,827
Speaker 2: is complete change, out with the old and within you

2091
01:49:50,987 --> 01:49:53,227
Speaker 2: if you like, What are the pros and cons of

2092
01:49:53,667 --> 01:49:54,627
Speaker 2: complete change?

2093
01:49:54,987 --> 01:50:00,027
Speaker 10: First of all, think the temptation is, particularly if you're

2094
01:50:00,027 --> 01:50:03,027
Speaker 10: an inexperienced coach, is to say, I want to make

2095
01:50:03,067 --> 01:50:05,707
Speaker 10: this my team right here, right now. I want to

2096
01:50:05,747 --> 01:50:09,027
Speaker 10: impress them, and I want to make a big impact

2097
01:50:09,107 --> 01:50:11,947
Speaker 10: on this place. I want to make a revolutionary change,

2098
01:50:12,627 --> 01:50:14,627
Speaker 10: and anything that's currently there.

2099
01:50:15,027 --> 01:50:17,187
Speaker 8: Is wrong and it has to go now.

2100
01:50:17,827 --> 01:50:19,987
Speaker 10: You could argue, all right, well, there's a great line,

2101
01:50:20,307 --> 01:50:23,667
Speaker 10: which is start the way you want to finish. Start

2102
01:50:23,707 --> 01:50:25,867
Speaker 10: the way you want to finish, which says, if I'm

2103
01:50:25,907 --> 01:50:30,147
Speaker 10: all about a philosophy, or if I'm about a philosophy

2104
01:50:30,307 --> 01:50:33,667
Speaker 10: of player unity, then you.

2105
01:50:33,707 --> 01:50:35,707
Speaker 8: Don't build that over a year or two years.

2106
01:50:35,747 --> 01:50:39,547
Speaker 10: You say, first session, first moment, we leave our values

2107
01:50:39,667 --> 01:50:42,027
Speaker 10: or we live what we believe in. I can see

2108
01:50:42,067 --> 01:50:45,787
Speaker 10: the advantage of that. However, I always say the coaches,

2109
01:50:45,867 --> 01:50:49,787
Speaker 10: remember we stand on the shoulders of giants and the

2110
01:50:49,907 --> 01:50:52,547
Speaker 10: people who've built this team and this culture, which is

2111
01:50:52,587 --> 01:50:55,827
Speaker 10: sustained for one hundred years. We've got it at an

2112
01:50:55,867 --> 01:50:58,227
Speaker 10: eighty five to ninety percent winning record or something like that.

2113
01:50:58,987 --> 01:51:01,627
Speaker 10: The things that have built the team to be the

2114
01:51:01,987 --> 01:51:05,027
Speaker 10: icon and the great team that it is. Not everything's

2115
01:51:05,067 --> 01:51:06,307
Speaker 10: bad about that, not anything's wrong.

2116
01:51:06,467 --> 01:51:07,347
Speaker 7: I think a lot of.

2117
01:51:07,347 --> 01:51:10,227
Speaker 10: Young coaches come in and assume that anyone with gray

2118
01:51:10,347 --> 01:51:13,667
Speaker 10: hair doesn't know what they're doing, and anything that is

2119
01:51:13,827 --> 01:51:17,507
Speaker 10: before the year of Google is wrong. So I think

2120
01:51:17,627 --> 01:51:20,507
Speaker 10: the smart coaches take a breath and say, yes, I

2121
01:51:20,667 --> 01:51:27,747
Speaker 10: want revolution, but ultimately make it more like evolution, systematic, slow, methodical,

2122
01:51:28,227 --> 01:51:28,947
Speaker 10: and permanent.

2123
01:51:29,467 --> 01:51:32,507
Speaker 2: So that leads into the second possible approach you've seen,

2124
01:51:32,547 --> 01:51:35,827
Speaker 2: which is partial change. You're bringing a few trusted staff

2125
01:51:35,907 --> 01:51:39,867
Speaker 2: members and make some subtle but important changes. So might

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01:51:39,947 --> 01:51:43,267
Speaker 2: that work better for Razor with an established and as

2127
01:51:43,307 --> 01:51:45,827
Speaker 2: you've pointed out, historically successful team.

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Speaker 10: This one gets really complicated, Pini, because so if you're

2129
01:51:51,187 --> 01:51:54,307
Speaker 10: in an AFL team, Super Ragby team, if you're in

2130
01:51:54,307 --> 01:51:56,947
Speaker 10: an NRL team and you're come in and you say, man,

2131
01:51:57,267 --> 01:52:00,547
Speaker 10: I want to change this. We could be remarkable. If

2132
01:52:00,627 --> 01:52:03,427
Speaker 10: I can get this happening, and this happening, we could

2133
01:52:03,467 --> 01:52:06,187
Speaker 10: do some really amazing things. So you go to this

2134
01:52:06,707 --> 01:52:07,947
Speaker 10: and say, look, I want to get rid of these

2135
01:52:07,987 --> 01:52:10,947
Speaker 10: six players, these members of staff. I know that, and

2136
01:52:11,027 --> 01:52:14,067
Speaker 10: the CEOs is they're all under contract for another two years.

2137
01:52:14,667 --> 01:52:17,707
Speaker 10: To make the changes you want to change, and the

2138
01:52:17,907 --> 01:52:19,627
Speaker 10: changes you want to make right here and right now,

2139
01:52:19,787 --> 01:52:21,667
Speaker 10: it's going to cost us five million dollars, so we're

2140
01:52:21,707 --> 01:52:25,467
Speaker 10: not going to do it. So sometimes these other forces,

2141
01:52:25,547 --> 01:52:30,827
Speaker 10: other than just performance or or values or team goals.

2142
01:52:31,067 --> 01:52:34,147
Speaker 10: Sometimes you got to consider where are we in terms

2143
01:52:34,227 --> 01:52:36,707
Speaker 10: of the contract cycle, and it's going to take two

2144
01:52:36,787 --> 01:52:39,787
Speaker 10: or three years for me to build the team that

2145
01:52:39,987 --> 01:52:43,427
Speaker 10: I'm really looking for. Very very typically, coaches will come in.

2146
01:52:44,387 --> 01:52:46,067
Speaker 10: No matter how good you are, you can't do it

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01:52:46,147 --> 01:52:48,867
Speaker 10: by yourself. So very typically a coach will come in

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01:52:48,947 --> 01:52:52,147
Speaker 10: and go, What I really need is two or three

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01:52:52,387 --> 01:52:56,627
Speaker 10: trusted lieutenants who know my philosophies, who know what I'm

2150
01:52:56,707 --> 01:52:59,587
Speaker 10: on about, who know what I'm trying to achieve, and

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01:52:59,707 --> 01:53:02,267
Speaker 10: they can be an extension of my philosophies as I

2152
01:53:02,787 --> 01:53:06,907
Speaker 10: build those longer term changes. So inevitably, I think this

2153
01:53:07,547 --> 01:53:12,907
Speaker 10: second option, the systemic slow gradual change, is forced on

2154
01:53:13,067 --> 01:53:16,987
Speaker 10: professional coaches, particularly going to contractual obligations.

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01:53:17,067 --> 01:53:18,827
Speaker 2: All right, we'll get to the third approach in a moment.

2156
01:53:18,907 --> 01:53:22,107
Speaker 2: But regardless of what you approach a new coach takes,

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01:53:22,187 --> 01:53:24,987
Speaker 2: how important does it weanne for that coach to get

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01:53:25,107 --> 01:53:28,587
Speaker 2: the key players in the squad, the captain for example,

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01:53:28,667 --> 01:53:31,427
Speaker 2: the experienced ones, the ones that drive the culture. How

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01:53:31,507 --> 01:53:34,347
Speaker 2: important is it for the coach, the incoming new coach

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01:53:34,747 --> 01:53:36,387
Speaker 2: to get key players on side?

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01:53:37,547 --> 01:53:37,707
Speaker 9: Yeah?

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01:53:37,867 --> 01:53:40,627
Speaker 10: Really important. That's the first discussion you would normally have

2164
01:53:41,187 --> 01:53:43,667
Speaker 10: is to sit down with the team leader and talk

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01:53:43,747 --> 01:53:46,707
Speaker 10: to them about their game, what they had to achieve,

2166
01:53:47,107 --> 01:53:49,547
Speaker 10: and then start to spread what we call that idea

2167
01:53:49,627 --> 01:53:52,747
Speaker 10: of the vision. And you know, I love talking about

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01:53:52,747 --> 01:53:56,707
Speaker 10: this bonny, because they call a vision a vision because

2169
01:53:56,747 --> 01:53:59,987
Speaker 10: you can see it. And the great coaches will walk

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01:54:00,067 --> 01:54:03,227
Speaker 10: into a program and go, I can see this all

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01:54:03,307 --> 01:54:07,387
Speaker 10: black team, this rugby team, this AFL team, this netball team,

2172
01:54:07,467 --> 01:54:10,387
Speaker 10: this trigger team. I can see them at the next

2173
01:54:10,427 --> 01:54:14,027
Speaker 10: World Championships. I can see them undefeated for the last

2174
01:54:14,107 --> 01:54:17,507
Speaker 10: thirty games. I see us winning to a power game

2175
01:54:18,027 --> 01:54:20,107
Speaker 10: or a speed game, or a skill game or all

2176
01:54:20,147 --> 01:54:23,147
Speaker 10: those things. The job then to the coach is to

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Speaker 10: look at that team leader or team leaders and get

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Speaker 10: them to see the same vision with the same detail

2179
01:54:30,747 --> 01:54:34,147
Speaker 10: and clarity that they do, because you know, ultimately we're

2180
01:54:34,187 --> 01:54:37,627
Speaker 10: a species of storytellers, and the coaches who've got a

2181
01:54:37,667 --> 01:54:41,387
Speaker 10: clear vision and can tell the story of their future

2182
01:54:42,147 --> 01:54:44,547
Speaker 10: so that the players go, you know what, I can

2183
01:54:44,627 --> 01:54:47,667
Speaker 10: see that too. That's what we could get a coach.

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Speaker 8: I get a coach.

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Speaker 10: That's an incredibly important thing is to sit down with

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01:54:52,147 --> 01:54:55,507
Speaker 10: those leaders and say, I see a vision of what

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01:54:55,627 --> 01:54:59,387
Speaker 10: we can all achieve together and sell that vision to

2188
01:54:59,547 --> 01:55:02,907
Speaker 10: the player groups so they then carry that forward and

2189
01:55:03,067 --> 01:55:04,867
Speaker 10: help the rest of the team to then buy into

2190
01:55:04,907 --> 01:55:05,547
Speaker 10: the same vision.

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01:55:06,467 --> 01:55:10,427
Speaker 2: There's complete change, there's partial change, and the third option

2192
01:55:10,587 --> 01:55:13,667
Speaker 2: has not much change, but having a long term plan

2193
01:55:13,907 --> 01:55:17,867
Speaker 2: to progressively turn the team into your team. Is there

2194
01:55:17,907 --> 01:55:20,307
Speaker 2: any danger, though, Wayne, of a new coach coming in

2195
01:55:20,427 --> 01:55:23,387
Speaker 2: and then not actually changing or doing a heck of

2196
01:55:23,427 --> 01:55:23,667
Speaker 2: a lot.

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01:55:24,907 --> 01:55:27,427
Speaker 10: Now, a lot of times coaches will come in and

2198
01:55:27,947 --> 01:55:29,827
Speaker 10: this comes from the corporate world. In the corporate world,

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01:55:29,907 --> 01:55:31,987
Speaker 10: I'll say, what are you in the first hundred days?

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01:55:32,107 --> 01:55:32,387
Speaker 8: Nothing?

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Speaker 10: Just listen. And I don't know that it is going

2202
01:55:36,307 --> 01:55:39,467
Speaker 10: to apply in high performance sport because you know, it's

2203
01:55:39,547 --> 01:55:43,067
Speaker 10: like the media scrutiny, particularly on your team and the

2204
01:55:43,107 --> 01:55:46,667
Speaker 10: All Blacks, is going to be unbelievable. Anything less than

2205
01:55:46,707 --> 01:55:50,747
Speaker 10: an incredibly strong performance and a forty point win is

2206
01:55:50,867 --> 01:55:53,067
Speaker 10: not going to satisfy the media and to be questions

2207
01:55:53,107 --> 01:55:55,787
Speaker 10: about treating you know, you know exactly what is likely

2208
01:55:55,907 --> 01:55:59,627
Speaker 10: to come. So it's very very tempting to do what

2209
01:55:59,747 --> 01:56:03,587
Speaker 10: we call RATV runs on the board. It's very tempting

2210
01:56:03,947 --> 01:56:08,027
Speaker 10: to throw everything you've got and doing something different and

2211
01:56:08,147 --> 01:56:11,307
Speaker 10: special or unique to kick off and people go oho,

2212
01:56:11,427 --> 01:56:13,547
Speaker 10: these guys really do have some changes, they do have

2213
01:56:13,587 --> 01:56:17,667
Speaker 10: a vision, they do have a plan in mind. Standing

2214
01:56:17,747 --> 01:56:20,027
Speaker 10: back and just watching and listening for the first hundred

2215
01:56:20,107 --> 01:56:23,227
Speaker 10: days might work in an office environment. It doesn't really

2216
01:56:23,307 --> 01:56:26,507
Speaker 10: work in high performance. The other thing with not making

2217
01:56:26,547 --> 01:56:31,107
Speaker 10: a lot of change is that boards and executives are

2218
01:56:31,187 --> 01:56:36,987
Speaker 10: notoriously lacking impatience. If they don't see some genuine change

2219
01:56:37,027 --> 01:56:40,027
Speaker 10: and some real impact in the short period of time,

2220
01:56:40,547 --> 01:56:42,187
Speaker 10: they're not going to give you a long term I mean,

2221
01:56:42,227 --> 01:56:44,827
Speaker 10: I was talking to an NURL coach a few weeks

2222
01:56:44,827 --> 01:56:46,947
Speaker 10: ago and he said to me, he said, you know what,

2223
01:56:47,187 --> 01:56:50,627
Speaker 10: if you had five years where you were confident you

2224
01:56:50,827 --> 01:56:53,587
Speaker 10: retain your job, you could probably build a pretty good

2225
01:56:53,707 --> 01:56:57,107
Speaker 10: winning team. But you don't get five years. You basically

2226
01:56:57,227 --> 01:57:01,667
Speaker 10: get one season and about ten games before they've made

2227
01:57:01,707 --> 01:57:04,147
Speaker 10: them mind up on how you're going to go and

2228
01:57:04,187 --> 01:57:07,067
Speaker 10: whether or not you're the right coach, even though you've

2229
01:57:07,107 --> 01:57:10,587
Speaker 10: got an underpinning model that you'd like to build for

2230
01:57:10,667 --> 01:57:14,387
Speaker 10: sustained success. The reality of professional sport is you've got

2231
01:57:14,467 --> 01:57:17,267
Speaker 10: to win in the short term to get that confidence

2232
01:57:17,347 --> 01:57:20,067
Speaker 10: in buy in that you know what you're doing. And

2233
01:57:20,187 --> 01:57:22,427
Speaker 10: I think the smart coaches again, they do things like

2234
01:57:22,507 --> 01:57:25,227
Speaker 10: that Pinty. They go, I'll get a really good development

2235
01:57:25,347 --> 01:57:28,507
Speaker 10: team over here. I have a good junior development program

2236
01:57:28,707 --> 01:57:31,347
Speaker 10: over here working away behind the scenes. But I'm going

2237
01:57:31,387 --> 01:57:33,627
Speaker 10: to get some runs on the board early to get

2238
01:57:33,707 --> 01:57:35,867
Speaker 10: some immediate buy in from the people I met it,

2239
01:57:36,027 --> 01:57:38,827
Speaker 10: or I won't get the opportunity to do it long term.

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Speaker 2: And you talk about getting those runs on the board

2241
01:57:40,987 --> 01:57:43,187
Speaker 2: or getting the buy in from, you know, from the corporates,

2242
01:57:43,587 --> 01:57:46,387
Speaker 2: the administrators, those that are doing the hiring and firing,

2243
01:57:46,467 --> 01:57:48,867
Speaker 2: But what about the fans as well? How key is

2244
01:57:48,947 --> 01:57:51,267
Speaker 2: it to get the fans on side quickly and what

2245
01:57:51,467 --> 01:57:52,427
Speaker 2: is the best way of doing that.

2246
01:57:53,747 --> 01:57:56,067
Speaker 10: The way to get fans on board is to win.

2247
01:57:56,947 --> 01:58:00,067
Speaker 10: If they come in and on the first game, you know,

2248
01:58:00,107 --> 01:58:03,707
Speaker 10: again talking specifically about the All Blacks, if there's been

2249
01:58:03,827 --> 01:58:07,867
Speaker 10: multiple changes, but they're playing a great if they're really

2250
01:58:07,947 --> 01:58:11,107
Speaker 10: aggressive and attack, if their defense is strong, even if

2251
01:58:11,147 --> 01:58:14,147
Speaker 10: the performance is not quite there, the fans go, you

2252
01:58:14,227 --> 01:58:16,947
Speaker 10: know what, we're on the right track. If they see

2253
01:58:17,547 --> 01:58:21,427
Speaker 10: something that's completely opposite to what they're going to expect,

2254
01:58:22,107 --> 01:58:24,147
Speaker 10: then they just have a few question marks. I think

2255
01:58:24,187 --> 01:58:27,947
Speaker 10: they'll buy in progressively, but nothing gets offAnd buy in

2256
01:58:28,107 --> 01:58:31,187
Speaker 10: more than winning. And how many times have we seen

2257
01:58:31,667 --> 01:58:33,987
Speaker 10: in the last two or three years, particularly in the

2258
01:58:34,147 --> 01:58:37,387
Speaker 10: NRL is probably the caldron for that At the moment,

2259
01:58:37,987 --> 01:58:40,227
Speaker 10: is that coaches are caught off and one win or

2260
01:58:40,267 --> 01:58:45,187
Speaker 10: two wins away from complete board player and fan buy in.

2261
01:58:45,907 --> 01:58:47,747
Speaker 10: I think the best example I can think of was

2262
01:58:47,907 --> 01:58:51,787
Speaker 10: Newcastle last year when Newcastle were going terribly and the

2263
01:58:51,907 --> 01:58:56,227
Speaker 10: coach was quite literally from all reports, one loss away

2264
01:58:56,827 --> 01:58:59,147
Speaker 10: from no job. And then they turn it around and

2265
01:58:59,187 --> 01:59:02,147
Speaker 10: Ponger starts playing like an absolute legend and they win

2266
01:59:02,227 --> 01:59:04,227
Speaker 10: a whole bunch on the trip, they make it to

2267
01:59:04,307 --> 01:59:06,547
Speaker 10: the Semis and the coach's job is saving There was

2268
01:59:06,627 --> 01:59:10,427
Speaker 10: one win or one loss away from losing all support,

2269
01:59:10,947 --> 01:59:13,067
Speaker 10: and it can be that thickle. But you know what,

2270
01:59:13,187 --> 01:59:17,027
Speaker 10: I think fans will buy in if they can see

2271
01:59:17,147 --> 01:59:19,707
Speaker 10: some signs. The other thing is you've got to get

2272
01:59:19,827 --> 01:59:23,387
Speaker 10: media onside. You've got to have a great media person

2273
01:59:23,827 --> 01:59:27,587
Speaker 10: in the club and a great media team that are

2274
01:59:27,667 --> 01:59:30,587
Speaker 10: making sure that the messages about the changes you're making

2275
01:59:31,107 --> 01:59:34,147
Speaker 10: are being conveyed correctly and being put out there in

2276
01:59:34,187 --> 01:59:37,827
Speaker 10: the media and social media, so that you're controlling the

2277
01:59:37,947 --> 01:59:41,787
Speaker 10: narrative and the discussion to a degree about why you're

2278
01:59:41,787 --> 01:59:45,067
Speaker 10: making the changes, what impact it's likely to take, if

2279
01:59:45,107 --> 01:59:46,947
Speaker 10: it's going to take a bit of time, tell all

2280
01:59:46,987 --> 01:59:49,827
Speaker 10: the fans and share the fans the vision and the

2281
01:59:49,907 --> 01:59:52,267
Speaker 10: story that you've got so that they're aware of their

2282
01:59:52,347 --> 01:59:56,187
Speaker 10: expectations that are aligned with yours. Keep them updated informed,

2283
01:59:56,227 --> 01:59:58,667
Speaker 10: particularly in the euro social media right.

2284
01:59:58,707 --> 02:00:01,187
Speaker 2: And it's a rare coach these days who has just

2285
02:00:01,267 --> 02:00:04,667
Speaker 2: the one job, so across their career it's quite possible

2286
02:00:04,707 --> 02:00:08,427
Speaker 2: they'll be going into a number of front environments as

2287
02:00:08,467 --> 02:00:11,587
Speaker 2: a new coach. So does the same model, the three

2288
02:00:11,867 --> 02:00:14,867
Speaker 2: approaches you've outlined, does the same one apply to every

2289
02:00:14,987 --> 02:00:18,107
Speaker 2: situation a coach will find themselves or is it more

2290
02:00:18,227 --> 02:00:21,107
Speaker 2: likely that they'll just you know, cut their cloth to

2291
02:00:21,227 --> 02:00:21,987
Speaker 2: suit if you like.

2292
02:00:23,227 --> 02:00:26,787
Speaker 10: Yeah, a smart coach comes in and before they've even

2293
02:00:26,867 --> 02:00:29,627
Speaker 10: taken on the job, they've looked to see what sort

2294
02:00:29,627 --> 02:00:32,147
Speaker 10: of a coach they need to take and what genuinely

2295
02:00:32,147 --> 02:00:34,027
Speaker 10: happens pliny. When you go for a job interview and

2296
02:00:34,107 --> 02:00:35,947
Speaker 10: I've been on some panels, I'm on another one later

2297
02:00:36,027 --> 02:00:40,107
Speaker 10: this morning. When you're in a job panel for interviewing

2298
02:00:40,147 --> 02:00:43,227
Speaker 10: a head coach, the most common thing they ask a

2299
02:00:43,307 --> 02:00:47,627
Speaker 10: head coach to do is to present their vision for

2300
02:00:47,747 --> 02:00:49,267
Speaker 10: the sustainable success.

2301
02:00:48,907 --> 02:00:49,347
Speaker 9: Of the club.

2302
02:00:50,147 --> 02:00:51,107
Speaker 15: Put up on the board.

2303
02:00:51,387 --> 02:00:55,507
Speaker 10: Do a presentation, tell the interview committee what it is,

2304
02:00:55,547 --> 02:00:58,267
Speaker 10: you're going to do with this group. The problem I

2305
02:00:58,387 --> 02:01:01,867
Speaker 10: find plant is quite often the panels that are interviewing

2306
02:01:01,947 --> 02:01:05,027
Speaker 10: the head coaches, they're not really sure what they're looking for,

2307
02:01:05,227 --> 02:01:07,387
Speaker 10: so they just go win lost for good. They look

2308
02:01:07,387 --> 02:01:11,267
Speaker 10: at a coach who's got sixty percent ideally have a

2309
02:01:11,347 --> 02:01:13,547
Speaker 10: long period of time, which is pretty good. It's a

2310
02:01:13,827 --> 02:01:16,667
Speaker 10: winning record, win loss records. They go for that rather

2311
02:01:16,707 --> 02:01:21,187
Speaker 10: than say, what sort of coach do we need now? So,

2312
02:01:21,387 --> 02:01:24,467
Speaker 10: do we need a coach who's going to stabilize, make

2313
02:01:24,587 --> 02:01:28,627
Speaker 10: things flow along nicely, and make systematic change because basically

2314
02:01:28,707 --> 02:01:30,547
Speaker 10: we've got it right, We just need we've got to

2315
02:01:30,627 --> 02:01:33,427
Speaker 10: coach you retired or a caase that's moved on for

2316
02:01:33,507 --> 02:01:36,827
Speaker 10: some other reason. Do we need a revolutionary coach? Do

2317
02:01:36,907 --> 02:01:39,227
Speaker 10: we need an absolute well, we used to say an

2318
02:01:39,227 --> 02:01:42,227
Speaker 10: old times a head kicker. Do we not literally kick

2319
02:01:42,227 --> 02:01:44,467
Speaker 10: anyone said, let's be clear on that. But do we

2320
02:01:44,627 --> 02:01:48,707
Speaker 10: need somebody who's going to come in change everything, be

2321
02:01:48,907 --> 02:01:52,387
Speaker 10: really strong and clear on their values and make widespread change.

2322
02:01:52,627 --> 02:01:55,787
Speaker 10: I think one of the issues is that quite often clubs,

2323
02:01:56,347 --> 02:01:59,107
Speaker 10: executives and boards don't really know what they're looking for.

2324
02:01:59,627 --> 02:02:03,107
Speaker 10: They just gave a win loss, whereas I think coaches

2325
02:02:03,707 --> 02:02:06,107
Speaker 10: will often look at it and say, with this player,

2326
02:02:07,027 --> 02:02:10,987
Speaker 10: with this budget, with this board, with these facilities, with

2327
02:02:11,067 --> 02:02:13,667
Speaker 10: this structure, what am I going to be able to do?

2328
02:02:13,827 --> 02:02:15,307
Speaker 10: How do I approach this problem?

2329
02:02:15,867 --> 02:02:16,707
Speaker 9: How do I attack it?

2330
02:02:17,627 --> 02:02:17,787
Speaker 10: Well?

2331
02:02:17,947 --> 02:02:21,067
Speaker 2: I guess we're about to find out Scott Robertson's approach

2332
02:02:21,147 --> 02:02:24,507
Speaker 2: to the All Blacks head coaching job. We'll get an

2333
02:02:24,547 --> 02:02:26,907
Speaker 2: idea of which of the approaches or a blend of

2334
02:02:26,947 --> 02:02:30,867
Speaker 2: all three that he employs. Wayne is always so informative

2335
02:02:31,227 --> 02:02:34,707
Speaker 2: to get your expertise and your analysis. As always, Thanks

2336
02:02:34,707 --> 02:02:36,427
Speaker 2: so much for joining us across New Zealand today.

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Speaker 9: Mate.

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Speaker 10: I think your guys are so talented. I think my

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Speaker 10: grandmother could probably coach them. And I go pretty good.

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Speaker 10: This's got so much talent all over the park. But

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Speaker 10: we will be exciting and interesting to see what happens.

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Speaker 2: Good on you, Wayne. Thanks indeed, Wayne Goldsmith find out

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Speaker 2: more about his approach to coaching WG coaching dot com

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Speaker 2: eight to three News Talks.

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Speaker 1: He'd be breaking down the Hail Mary's and the Epic

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Speaker 1: fails weekend sport with Jason Paine News Talk ZENB three.

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Speaker 2: That's us for another weekend toim beverage on the radio

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Speaker 2: after three o'clock, but the We Can Collective We're back

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Speaker 2: tomorrow night on Sports Talk. Don't forget the All Black

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Speaker 2: Squad is named at five thirty tomorrow afternoon. We'll have

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Speaker 2: a full breakdown of it, of course, and lots of

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Speaker 2: analysis and conversation between seven and eight tomorrow night on

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Speaker 2: Sports Talk. Look forward to chatting with you then, huge

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Speaker 2: thanks to Andy McDonald for producing the show. Was always

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Speaker 2: thank you for listening in and taking part if that's

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Speaker 2: what you chose to do. Exit song today, Well with

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Speaker 2: the Blues welcoming back the Super Rugby Trophy to their

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Speaker 2: cabinet after twenty one years and Vern Cotter being the

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Speaker 2: master mind behind it all, I've gone to the theme

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Speaker 2: song of the nineteen seventies American television sitcom Welcome Back Cotter,

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Speaker 2: John Sebastian and welcome back.

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Speaker 12: See the Mark Jose Him, gun Him on the Spot.

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Speaker 13: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Teazer Lot, welcome, listen,

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Speaker 13: got him, monspun.

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Speaker 2: Love tzer lot, got him, Moms bo back.

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Speaker 13: Welcome, Welcome back, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welome, welcome, Welcome.

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Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine. Listen live

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