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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

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Speaker 2: It's Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive with one New Zealand Let's

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Speaker 2: get connected.

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Speaker 3: New Stalk said, be good afternoon, welcome to the show.

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Speaker 3: Coming up today, We're going to speak to why it

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Speaker 3: Or as Mayor as well as Hastings Me to see

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Speaker 3: how their towns are going with this really bad weather

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Speaker 3: hitting at them again at the moment. The Justice Minister

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Speaker 3: Paul Goldsmith on trying to control the activist judges and

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Speaker 3: there is surprising optimism in business despite the gloomy times.

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Speaker 3: We'll get you across that.

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Speaker 1: Heather Duplicy Ellen, Man, I'll.

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Speaker 3: Tell you what, there is a part of me that

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Speaker 3: is still not convinced that Lauren Dickinson was in her

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Speaker 3: right mind when she killed those girls. I just I

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Speaker 3: don't know. I know this is not going to be

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Speaker 3: a popular opinion, but as a mum who's just come

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Speaker 3: through the two year mark, which I think is probably

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Speaker 3: the hardest bit, isn't it, I just can't shake this feeling.

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Speaker 3: I'm not disputing the sentence that was handed down today.

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Speaker 3: I mean, regardless of what was going on in her head,

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Speaker 3: whether she was in her right mind or whatever, she

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Speaker 3: killed three girls, right, she killed her three girls. So

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Speaker 3: she does deserve eighteen years in the slammer for that,

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Speaker 3: because I believe in punishment. I think if you do

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Speaker 3: something wrong, and especially something as devastating as that, you've

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Speaker 3: got to take the rap for it. You got attack

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Speaker 3: what's coming your way. But I'm not convinced that she's

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Speaker 3: the evil person that some people believe her to be.

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Speaker 3: Being a mum of little ones is really hard. It's

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Speaker 3: hard for people who it's hard for people who are

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Speaker 3: not mums to understand it. And sometimes even if you

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Speaker 3: are a mum and it's like years ago, you forget.

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Speaker 3: But it's hard. It's really hard. It's overwhelming. It's a

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Speaker 3: massive change to your life. Your hormones muck around with

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Speaker 3: you in funny ways, like really weird ways. You don't

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Speaker 3: get enough sleep, and that carries on for years, put

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Speaker 3: stress on your relationship, You lose friends because you know

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Speaker 3: It's a very very big life change. I almost think

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Speaker 3: it is a bigger life change for professional women, because

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Speaker 3: you know, a professional woman has a very big life actually,

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Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden it gets reduced to

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Speaker 3: this life that's so and so often spent just in

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Speaker 3: the confines of your home. And as much as you

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Speaker 3: love that little person so much, there's still hard to

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Speaker 3: come to terms with. And I'm speaking for mums who

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Speaker 3: don't have mental health issues. You add to the fact

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Speaker 3: that Lauren Dickerson had a mental health issue. She had depression.

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Speaker 3: She was on antidepression depressant medication, and she had taken

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Speaker 3: herself off those pills. She had moved country, she had

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Speaker 3: organized the whole thing from my memory. That is a

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Speaker 3: lot to handle. And then she's away. When she gets

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Speaker 3: here from absolutely everybody who's her support network, all the

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Speaker 3: people she loves, everything she's ever known. She's in a

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Speaker 3: completely new place, with three kids in a house and

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Speaker 3: a husband who's away starting off with his new career.

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Speaker 3: Imagine how hard that is. Right, It's hard enough being

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Speaker 3: actually taking your pills. Now, I'm not making excuses for her,

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Speaker 3: and frankly, you know, there's probably really no point in

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Speaker 3: we will never really know if she was mad or

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Speaker 3: she was just bad. I'm just not sure. I just

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Speaker 3: want you to have a little bit of compassion when

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Speaker 3: also just want to urge you do not ignore it.

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Speaker 3: If a mom in your life is just looking like that,

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Speaker 3: like they're not coping. They might be coping. Fine, maybe

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Speaker 3: it's more than that. Don't ignore it. Do something, even

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Speaker 3: if it's just a walk, to take them out of

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Speaker 3: doing something that just reminds them of what their life

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Speaker 3: can be like in the future. Again, because this was

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Speaker 1: Ever, do for Cee Ellen's nine two.

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Speaker 3: Nine and two is the text number. We are going

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Speaker 3: to go to our reporter who was in court for this,

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Speaker 3: so there's a tough hearing. I'll get you across some

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Speaker 3: of the details and we'll talk to Blake Benny who

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Speaker 3: was there later on in the program, going to get

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Speaker 3: you across the latest on the situation and tied afterty

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Speaker 3: in Hawks Bay. Now there have been one hundred and

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Speaker 3: Hastings and also tired Arfity Emergency Response. Minister Mark Mitchell

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Speaker 3: is with us now how much I understand You're on

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Speaker 3: your way to way too, are you?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Yes, I've been in the Hawks Bay for the day

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Speaker 5: and now I'm headed out to get on NH ninety

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Speaker 5: one of the year for cuty coppers to fly up

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Speaker 5: to Wirat.

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Speaker 3: Is why as far as you understand the worst hit area.

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Speaker 5: It looks like it. Yes, on the briefings that I've had,

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Speaker 5: they've been hit very hard by this, without a doubt.

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Speaker 5: But I won't know all the facts until I get

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Speaker 3: Is it hard to get comms with them? Is it?

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Speaker 6: I've got coms.

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Speaker 5: I've been speaking with Prage little amit throughout the day,

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Speaker 5: but it has been evolving. When we were talking first

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Speaker 5: think that it was been really being too bad, But

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Speaker 5: then obviously daylight hours and as things sort of start

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Speaker 5: to unfold. I think you realize that this down's been

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Speaker 5: hit very hard.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, how hard has it been hit?

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Speaker 7: Like?

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Speaker 3: How many evacuations are in that town?

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Speaker 5: Well, I know that the Memorial Halls is filled with people.

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Speaker 5: I think the number that I was given was about

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Speaker 5: one hundred people. So you know, houses have been evacuated.

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Speaker 5: It's the swell that's made the big difference, as I've

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Speaker 5: been hit very hard at the same in the Hawk's

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Speaker 3: Do we okay? So okay? So that's that's the situation.

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Speaker 3: That's that is in wide or will what do we

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Speaker 3: know about what's going on around it? Everywhere else it's

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Speaker 5: So gis has been hit as well, particularly Tikaraka. They've

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Speaker 5: either very late tonight or first thing in the morning

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Speaker 5: to meet with Miya Raheit Salts and her team as well.

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Speaker 3: Are we through the worst of it or is there

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Speaker 5: Well that the States of States. Emergency is still in place,

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Speaker 5: and there's another high tide tonight at nine o'clock. But

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Speaker 5: I'd just like to say that the mayors have been outstanding.

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Speaker 5: There are several defense teams, our first responders, our police events.

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Speaker 5: They responded quickly, they stood up very quickly, and because

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Speaker 5: they've done that, they've really protected their communities very well.

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Speaker 5: They'll be very proactive and so the very strong position

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Speaker 3: The high tide at nine, Are you expecting that to

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Speaker 3: do more damage?

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Speaker 5: Hopefully not, because you know the waters have been receding,

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Speaker 5: But it's just that it's another high tide and the

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Speaker 5: a matter of being cautious and ensure that you know

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Speaker 5: that everyone's been proven about what they're doing and when

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Speaker 3: Mitch, thank you very much, best of luck, and yeah,

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Speaker 3: I hope that I hope it's not as bad as

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Speaker 3: we're thinking it is as much, which will the emergency response.

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Speaker 3: Ben is soos about to jump on a chop it

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Speaker 3: and head over to why or know hither she murdered

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Speaker 3: her kid. If this was a step dad, you would

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Speaker 3: be completely different on this, Heather. Would you feel the

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Speaker 3: same if it was the father who had committed the crime.

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Speaker 3: She's a good question to ask, because let's be honest

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Speaker 3: about it, right, probably we wouldn't. Like, Let's be honest,

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Speaker 3: probably we wouldn't. It's a mum. Mums and dads are different,

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Speaker 3: and for whatever reason, mums and dads are different. Heather,

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Speaker 3: she was one hundred percent not in her right mind.

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Speaker 3: Only mums can understand the overwhelm that you feel at times,

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Speaker 3: the stress of a move, the awful quarantine, the arriving

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Speaker 3: no hope or future. She's no risk to anyone else

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Speaker 3: as she was in that situation. That's from Sue fourteen

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Speaker 2: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's hither duper c

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Speaker 2: Allen Drive with one New Zealand one giant leap for business,

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Speaker 2: U Storks'd.

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Speaker 3: Be Darcy water Grave sports talkhasters with me, Dars. Hello, Heather,

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Speaker 3: you're fizzling for the state of origin tonight.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, Well, I try and go it's not really our calm,

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Speaker 8: but it's only the Australians and don't matter.

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Speaker 9: Who Queensland or New South well and then suddenly comes

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Speaker 9: on like why look at this? This is so amazing.

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Speaker 8: Because when it comes to a show, they put on

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Speaker 8: build up, don't. I don't even if gust Gould is

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Speaker 8: still walking around spouting off a rubbish before it a bit,

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Speaker 8: don't wait till it starts round about team past eight

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Speaker 8: past meant give will take ten.

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Speaker 9: They say ten o'clock. Sometimes I think the latest started

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Speaker 9: was eighteen minutes after.

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Speaker 3: It is like half an hour to an hour after

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Speaker 3: my bed time. But anyway, carry on well video.

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Speaker 9: And watch it tomorrow morning.

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Speaker 8: Before we come into a video, I am put it

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Speaker 8: on video and get a va cone.

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Speaker 9: But it's a wonderful, wonderful show.

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Speaker 8: The passion with the crowd, although it is in Melbourne tonight,

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Speaker 8: and I suppose the question is how many of the

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Speaker 8: crowd are pro Queensland, how many of the crowd are

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Speaker 8: pro New South Wales. I'd like to think that if

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Speaker 8: New South Wales and square this up, it'll go to

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Speaker 8: a decider in two weeks time, so maybe the Victorians going,

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Speaker 8: you know what, we wouldn't mind the underdog to do

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Speaker 8: fair enough, we wouldn't mind the Other part of this,

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Speaker 8: of course, is do any of the Victorians know the rules?

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Speaker 8: Don't just be standing you're looking at is great and

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Speaker 8: yelling and they're all in there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but they have got rugby league, teach. You've got

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Speaker 3: melbourneys on NRL than they are on rugby union. So

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Speaker 3: you give them that. Okay, hey, it's huge for this one.

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Speaker 3: How much are you fizzing for that surf park?

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Speaker 9: Here's the thing.

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Speaker 3: Is this really gonna happen.

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Speaker 9: Here's the thing. It's been given resource consent, which in

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Speaker 9: itself is a miracle. Tell me, I.

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Speaker 3: Mean absolutely, how long I'll take them fifty years.

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Speaker 9: And that's okay, we can sell. The surfing has just

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Speaker 9: been invented.

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Speaker 3: With applications started in eighteen and we started the results.

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Speaker 8: But I think about a heated surfing that's the start.

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Speaker 3: Like nineteen sixties, you know the Kendle.

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Speaker 9: This is great news, it really is.

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Speaker 3: Brilliant stuff. Thank you so much, Darcy appreciated, Darcy Watergrace.

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Speaker 3: Julian Nsange has already done the thing, walked out. The

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of widespread support for this. So this

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Speaker 3: Then do you you get five percent? Aggravating factor? If

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Speaker 3: it's not going to be eighteen years times three served altogether.

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Speaker 3: Paul Goldsmith ruling bringing these things and here's going to

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Speaker 2: Hard Questions, Strong opinion, Heather Duper c Allen drive with

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Speaker 10: Thanks myself, jo helsel Pity every week Tew.

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Speaker 3: They said, well we're loving the old sentencing news boom,

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Speaker 3: best news as a retailer of small business. Finally some

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Speaker 3: solid action read the justice system couldn't agree with you more? Hey, so,

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Speaker 3: Julian Assange, he is going to have to start a

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Speaker 2: It's the world wires on news dogs'd Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Wiki Leads founder Julian Assange has pleaded guilty to one

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Speaker 11: It's a whirlwind of emotions.

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Speaker 12: I mean, I'm just elated.

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Speaker 13: Frankly, it's just incredible.

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Speaker 14: I don't know it.

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Speaker 3: The US presidential candidates are warming up for their first debate.

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Speaker 3: One of Donald Trump's campaign managers says, Joe Biden is

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Speaker 5: He's probably going to be filled with.

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Speaker 13: Adderall like you was as the mayor the State.

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Speaker 9: Of the Union.

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Speaker 3: Democratic Congressman Jamie Raskin says that's a ridiculous claim.

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Speaker 15: Trump's team is obviously in desperation trying to rattle the

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Speaker 3: And finally, a Northern irishman has broken the world record

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Speaker 16: Oh my god.

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Speaker 2: International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of Mind

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Speaker 3: Better work stories everyone, Dan Mitchinson, US correspondence with US.

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Speaker 1: Now, Hey, Dan, where are you going to go from there?

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Speaker 3: Once you've accomplished mate, I'm still trying to teach the

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Speaker 3: How are you people feeling about Julian and Nissan's getting

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 17: So I think it just became one of these stories

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Speaker 1: To tell you, the truth.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I am taught. I am glad I never

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Speaker 17: Well, this is kind of interesting, I gotta tell you, Heather,

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Speaker 17: because what it does is it kind of feel well,

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Speaker 17: frees Donald Trump from commenting publicly in a very generalized

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Speaker 17: way about witnesses and jurors in the hush money trial.

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Speaker 17: But it has its limits, and there are things that

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Speaker 17: he won't be able to talk about until he's sentenced,

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Speaker 17: which is coming up on July eleventh. So what the

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Speaker 17: judge is saying is this, you know, we're we're letting

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Speaker 17: you say a few things, but we're still trying to

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Speaker 17: protect the integrity of the proceedings in the court, and

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Speaker 17: we don't want you.

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Speaker 1: To reveal who the jurors are.

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Speaker 17: But I mean, Trump's team still isn't happy because they're

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Speaker 17: saying that the ruling is unlawful. Trump obviously wanted to

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Speaker 17: say whatever he wanted to at the debate this week

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Speaker 17: with Joe Biden, and if I were to bet on this, Heather,

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Speaker 17: I would say he is still likely to violate terms

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Speaker 17: of this agreement. I think he's going to let things slip.

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Speaker 17: I think he's going to go, what the heck, it's

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Speaker 17: only money. I've been fined ten thousand dollars, which is

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Speaker 17: you know, pocket changed to the guy already by by

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Speaker 17: you know, saying things I shouldn't already. So I mean,

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Speaker 17: we'll see what happened Thursday night at Friday, your time.

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Speaker 17: But he still faces up to four years in prison

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Speaker 17: when he sentenced July eleventh, But you know, as we

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Speaker 17: mentioned before, he'll likely get probation or community service something

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Speaker 17: like that.

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Speaker 3: Dan, have you got your order and already for Hillary

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Speaker 3: Clinton's new book?

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Speaker 17: I don't, but I'll tell you what I do find interesting.

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Speaker 17: And you know, in all fairness, with the election coming up,

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Speaker 17: I'll likely read that the timing of this book, I mean,

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Speaker 17: it's a little it's a little suspect. I mean, is

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Speaker 17: this tied into the fact that with the election coming up,

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Speaker 17: the publishers feel there's going to be more public interest

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Speaker 17: in politics as we get closer to November. Or is

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Speaker 17: it because you're going to have a very prominent Democrat

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Speaker 17: out in front of the cameras right now and on

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Speaker 17: the talk shows and on the internet, getting a lot

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Speaker 17: of press abilities who can talk up President Biden and

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Speaker 17: go after Trump. And by the way, her husband, Bill

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Speaker 17: Clinton has a book coming up, just coming out a

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Speaker 17: couple of months after this as well.

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Speaker 3: The Clinton's going to make some money off us. I think,

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Speaker 3: thank you, Dan, as always appreciated, or talk to you

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Speaker 3: in a couple of days. It's Dan Mitchinson, US correspondent

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Speaker 3: here the News Flesh the go fund me for Julian

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Speaker 3: Assigne is already at two hundred and fifty five thousand dollars.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for that, Nick. Hither, I have a small

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Speaker 3: amount of sympathy for Lauren Dickerson. I also feel the

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Speaker 3: husband let her down. But those three little girls would

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Speaker 3: still be alive if she'd actually spoken up or asked

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Speaker 3: for help, or even just drop them off at the

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Speaker 3: police station when she felt like hurting them. Couldn't agree more.

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Speaker 3: Here there is a mother of four, including twins. I

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Speaker 3: totally have empathy for the mother. I can't believe so

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Speaker 3: many people are judging her so harshly. Hither, I've got triplets.

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Speaker 3: I had postnatal depression. I looked for help. I did

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Speaker 3: not end their lives. Fair point, Hither, I'm sorry you're

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Speaker 3: not enjoying motherhood.

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Speaker 2: Listen to this.

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Speaker 3: Listen to this, Hither, I'm sorry you're not enjoying motherhood,

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Speaker 3: aren't I Being a mother of two toddlers eighteen months

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Speaker 3: apart is amazingly wonderful. Maybe you and some other mums

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Speaker 3: just expect too much. You are a liar. There is

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Speaker 3: no way that you've got two kids eighteen months apart

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Speaker 3: and you are living your best life and having a

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Speaker 3: great time stop it. You know who you are a

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Speaker 3: You are that one at the anti natal group. You're

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Speaker 3: the one at the anti na group who's baby rolled

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Speaker 3: over first, got up and sat first, started walking first,

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Speaker 3: just as a delight to feed such to just like

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Speaker 3: eat everything in front of them, just so never has

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Speaker 3: a tantrum. You're that person. You cry yourself to sleep

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Speaker 3: at night, don't you because you know the truth, being

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Speaker 3: a mum is really hard. You love them, you do,

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Speaker 3: you love them, but it's hard. Don't tell me lies.

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Speaker 3: Seventeen away from.

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Speaker 2: Five Politics with centrics credit check your customers and get

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Speaker 3: Very so power seen your political correspondence in the studio

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Speaker 3: right now. Hi Berry, good afternoon.

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Speaker 9: Heay.

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Speaker 3: The judges are being pulled into line, aren't they or.

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Speaker 9: Are they what?

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Speaker 6: You know?

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Speaker 19: They're being sent a very direct message from the government

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Speaker 19: to pull your socks up. We've written the laws now

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Speaker 19: we expect them to be meted out and the judges,

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Speaker 19: as we know, haven't been doing that. I like the capping,

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Speaker 19: the sentence discount. The judges can apply it forty percent.

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Speaker 3: Even that's a lot.

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Speaker 9: Well, I know, of.

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Speaker 19: Course it's a lot, but at least we don't have

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Speaker 19: those reports that they used to fund on the tax

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Speaker 19: bar for people that had a dreadful upbringing, and that's

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Speaker 19: what their lawyers. I would have thought afore to explain

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Speaker 19: that to the court, not for the taxpayer to spend

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Speaker 19: money on people to go out and.

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Speaker 3: Look at it.

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Speaker 19: But look, the judges have been told they had to

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Speaker 19: take the victim's impact into an account and that was

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Speaker 19: part of the coalition agreement between National Act and the

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Speaker 19: New Zealand First Parties. So they're all happy about that.

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Speaker 19: Paul Goldsmith, he told Parliament today it's time the judiciary

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Speaker 19: knew that Parliament serious about offenders suffering and consequences of

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Speaker 19: their actions.

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Speaker 20: In recent years we have seen the courts imposing fewer

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Speaker 20: and shorter prison sentences despite the increasing seriousness of cases

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Speaker 20: coming before the courts. A recent sample of sentences showed

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Speaker 20: eighteen percent of cases received a total discount greater than

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Speaker 20: forty percent, some as high as sixty nine percent. Large

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Speaker 20: discounts tell victims that we are more concerned about the

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Speaker 20: offenders than in ensuring that they see justice. Everyone needs

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Speaker 20: to know that there are real consequences for crime.

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Speaker 19: You say here here to that, but I'll tell you

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Speaker 19: what it's the downside to it all is, of course,

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Speaker 19: the prisons and this these suite of measures that the

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Speaker 19: government's announced today are expected to add between fourteen hundred

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Speaker 19: and eighteen seventeen hundred and thirty prisoners each year over

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Speaker 19: the next ten years if they're implemented in the way

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Speaker 19: the government wants. But and that'll cost us the taxpayer

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Speaker 19: one hundred and sixty five million dollars to almost two

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Speaker 19: hundred million dollars a year. But look, the point that

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Speaker 19: Paul Goldsmith make makes that if the public feels safer,

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Speaker 19: surely that's a price that we have.

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well, you'd have to quantify the damage that these clowns

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Speaker 3: are doing while they're out and about, and it may

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Speaker 3: in fact be better to keep them in the jail.

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Speaker 19: So many doubters would have been converted, I would have thought,

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Speaker 19: seeing that poor dairy owner knocked on the head with

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Speaker 19: a hammer by a teenager the other night.

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Speaker 3: Hey, so is there more money coming for provincial infrastructure?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 19: Yeah, The Greens have been having a go at the

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Speaker 19: government yet again over its fast track proposals, and the

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Speaker 19: government's been in the House defending them. They're upset at

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Speaker 19: the potential conflicts of interest that three ministers will sign

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Speaker 19: off the projects, but the government has always argued that

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Speaker 19: the experts will make the decision and they'll simply be

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Speaker 19: signed off by the ministers and it'll be a transparent,

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Speaker 19: transparent procedure. The Regional Development Minister Shane Jones, he was

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Speaker 19: at his lyrical best in Parliament espousing the virtues of

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Speaker 19: spending money in the provinces and gave an indication I've

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Speaker 19: got to say hither that mores is on the way.

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Speaker 20: Shortly recent years we have seen the courts imposing fewer

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Speaker 20: and shorter prisons.

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Speaker 21: We are continuing to support and I don't aquaculture, not

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Speaker 21: from the psychedelic crown over the head. Not only will

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Speaker 21: the Regional Infrastructure fun improve opportunities in regional New Zealand,

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Speaker 21: which will be announced in the very near future in July,

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Speaker 21: it will also ensure that infrastructure, where appropriate, is modernized

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Speaker 21: and renewed for the inevitable growth of the mining sector.

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Speaker 19: He's going to dig it in and the psychedelic lot

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Speaker 19: over the other side there.

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Speaker 9: I mean, you know, you've got to give it to Jones.

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Speaker 1: He's entertaining, So.

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Speaker 3: You know, despite all the dystopian warnings that there were

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Speaker 3: cracks in the government over the agree to disagree clause

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Speaker 3: being triggered. Listening to Winston Peter's defender's position today, he's

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Speaker 3: actually seems quite rational and calm about.

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Speaker 19: And I think it's absolutely legitimate that he's defended the

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Speaker 19: position because I did a bit digging and Tony Blakeley

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Speaker 19: is a very well respected epidemiologist in Australia, professor no less,

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Speaker 19: But you'd have to look at his independence and say

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Speaker 19: that given the fact that, in fact he provided a

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Speaker 19: key advice to policymakers and advisors in our response to COVID,

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Speaker 19: including Ashley Bloomfield, the Professor David Skegg, both of whom

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Speaker 19: you've used a lot on this program over the years,

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Speaker 19: Heather and other health and policymakers. Blakelee has also disclosed

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Speaker 19: close collegial relationships and friendships with many of the key

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Speaker 19: players in the New Zealand COVID response. Well, sorry, that's

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Speaker 19: like daubing your mates in it if you don't like

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Speaker 19: what they did, and that's I think pretty unlikely. And

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Speaker 19: that's why Peter says, Look, we need we need another

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Speaker 19: inquiry whether you sack this slot because they've done a

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Speaker 19: lot of work at the expense of the taxpayer so far.

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Speaker 3: Was Winston's argument was that there were three commissioners totally

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Speaker 3: blakely and is it Whitehead and Hiki Parata And when

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Speaker 3: hikky Parata quit, actuallyuld have called it off And he says,

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Speaker 3: legislatively you should have called it off.

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Speaker 19: Well, they certainly could have got out of it then,

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Speaker 19: but they didn't. You know, there's another Royal Commission reported

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Speaker 19: back today and that's the Historical Abuse and State and

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Speaker 19: Faith based here that's gone to the Governor General. That'll

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Speaker 19: be tabled in the House on July the twenty fourth.

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Speaker 19: And you have to say, well, certainly it's been said

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Speaker 19: that it's the end of the largest, most complex inquiry

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Speaker 19: ever held in New Zealand, that so many people appeared

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Speaker 19: before it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a tough one, Barrie, thank you very much appreciated.

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Speaker 3: That's Barry So for senior political correspondent ate away from

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Speaker 3: five putting the.

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Speaker 2: Tough questions to the newspeakers, the Mike asking breakfast.

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Speaker 22: So we get two COVID inquiries. The current one will

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Speaker 22: complete its work this year, and then Part two begins

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Speaker 22: asking the sort of questions. Part one should have the

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Speaker 22: Ministry until affairs. Look vanveldens with how much of a

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Speaker 22: jack up do you see part one?

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Speaker 23: As I think there are.

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Speaker 7: Actually quite a few areas that will be quite important

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Speaker 7: for part one to focus on where I think people

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Speaker 7: are looking for more focus on what Phase two will

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Speaker 7: focus on, things like the government's response and how that

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Speaker 7: was weighed up against education, helps business inflation, debt and

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Speaker 7: business activity, their social division and importantly also touches on

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Speaker 7: New Zealand FIRS commitment where they wish to look into

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Speaker 7: vaccine efficacy.

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Speaker 22: Back tomorrow at six am the mic Asking Breakfast with

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Speaker 22: Jaguine Newstalk z B.

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Speaker 3: It's five away from five and we've got the terms

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Speaker 3: of reference today for the Electricity authorities investigation into transpower.

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Speaker 3: I feel like Sam and Brown, the Energy Minister, has

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Speaker 3: taken some perverse pleasure in releasing this because the tone

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Speaker 3: of his press release is just it's just a little

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Speaker 3: it's a little irritated by transpower. So he says they're

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Speaker 3: going to look into this is the Electricity Authority are

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Speaker 3: going to look into the cause of the event. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I want to know more about that. Who was it

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Speaker 3: who pulled out the bolts? Of the nuts out of

659
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Speaker 3: all three legs. Going to look into that, Going to

660
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Speaker 3: review the response to the event. Yeah, who decided that

661
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 3: nobody should be told anything for days and days? Understand

662
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 3: the lessons that can be learned from the recovery from

663
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Speaker 3: the event, including the actions taken by the grid owner,

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Speaker 3: the system operator, other participants. It's going to include what

665
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Speaker 3: actions were taken to restore supply, whether these aligned with

666
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Speaker 3: good industry practice, whether there were appropriate communications from and

667
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Speaker 3: between Transpower, lines, companies, companies, oh sorry, lines, companies, retailers, businesses,

668
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Speaker 3: and the public. I think we can answer that question. No,

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Speaker 3: but I'm really looking forward to Transpower getting a little

670
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 3: rap over the knuckles for that again. Anyway, they have

671
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Speaker 3: twelve weeks to report and then he will have a

672
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Speaker 3: look at it for fifteen days. Then he has to

673
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Speaker 3: release it. So it's probably about four months away from now,

674
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Speaker 3: so I'm talking like men of the year. But I

675
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Speaker 3: can wait, I can wait. I'm still going to be

676
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 3: interested in it. Then then he said what happened in

677
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 3: Northland last week was unacceptable, with tens of thousands of

678
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Speaker 3: customers left without power due to poor maintenance practices. Quite simply,

679
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 3: this widespread impact on families, businesses and communities could have

680
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Speaker 3: been avoided. Samm Brown's going to be with us quarter

681
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 3: past five, have a chat to him about it. We're

682
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Speaker 3: going to check in straight after the news on wide

683
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Speaker 3: Or and also Hastings, just to get a feel for

684
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Speaker 3: what is going on there, how those guys are doing.

685
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 3: And then obviously head over to the Lauren Dickinson trial

686
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 3: and get you that as well. Heather, Yes, it is

687
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 3: hard being a mum and all the other things that

688
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 3: we are meant to be. However, this is fair. However,

689
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 3: my mum had a thirteen month old and then she

690
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 3: had a set of twins. Jeez, some people make bad decisions.

691
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Speaker 3: And this was in the nineteen fifties. So there was

692
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Speaker 3: no washing machine, there were cloth nappies, there was no car.

693
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 3: The husband had his own business. She used to put

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Speaker 3: us all in bed at midday and then bike down

695
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Speaker 3: to the shops. Leaving us alone today is easy in comparison,

696
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 3: this is true, Like do you not sometimes do that?

697
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 3: I do that. Sometimes I put something in the like

698
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 3: wetbed whatever, get the sleeping bag like sleepsack. Oh my gosh,

699
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 3: how did you even operate without that? Anyway? And I

700
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Speaker 3: put it in the washing machine for like the fourth

701
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Speaker 3: day in a row, and then I think that I'm

702
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 3: just going to put that in the dryer afterwards, and

703
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Speaker 3: I just count my blessings that we live in twenty

704
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 3: twenty four, not nineteen fifty four. News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 2: The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,

706
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 2: get the answers, by the facts, and give the analysis. Heather,

707
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 2: due to clan drive with One New Zealand. Let's get

708
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Speaker 2: connected a news talk.

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Speaker 1: As z' b.

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon. Widua appears to have borne the brunt of

711
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Speaker 3: the extreme weather today. The town is under a local

712
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Speaker 3: state of emergency. At least one hundred and thirty people

713
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Speaker 3: have evacuated. Many of the roads into town and now closed.

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Speaker 3: Craig Little is the mayor of Widawa.

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Speaker 6: Hey, Craig, Hi, how's it going, Heather?

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Speaker 9: Good?

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Craig. How's it going with you? Are you

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Speaker 3: guys totally cut off again?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 6: I totally cut off you Hi? Way to the napier. Look.

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Speaker 6: It's a bit of a common occurrence, to be quite honestly.

722
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Speaker 6: We time it range the road closes, but this time

723
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Speaker 6: it's rained. But more so we're not sure when that's

724
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Speaker 6: going to open. We've also cut off to State Highway

725
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Speaker 6: thirty eight as well as Gusborne. We have been closed off.

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Speaker 6: We're open at the stage.

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Speaker 3: How high did the water get a look?

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Speaker 6: It wasn't too high, but it was high enough to

729
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Speaker 6: flood about one hundred homes and it's a lot to

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Speaker 6: do it. It's totally in a different states place this

731
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Speaker 6: time than last time. It's out towards the river mouth,

732
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Speaker 6: homes of flood that have never flooded in memory, living memory,

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Speaker 6: so it's pretty scary.

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Speaker 3: And was it the surges that were causing the trouble?

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Speaker 6: No, No, we believe there's a combination of the river

736
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Speaker 6: mouth and then the sea levels and we'd have to

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Speaker 6: get to the bottom of us because we can't have

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Speaker 6: this happen again. You know, Cycling Gabriel was probably enough

739
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Speaker 6: for us, and we haven't got over that. We've still

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Speaker 6: got seventy people out of seventy homes unlived there as well,

741
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Speaker 6: so we've got a long way to go.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, jeez, how are you guys feeling. Are

743
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Speaker 3: you feeling despondent?

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, We're devastated, to be quite honest, because you know,

745
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Speaker 6: there's so many people hurting our community, and be honest.

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Speaker 4: We don't know how we're going to get above this.

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Speaker 6: We've just gone out to our rate pays last night

748
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Speaker 6: with about twenty percent rate increase and that God knows

749
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Speaker 6: what it will be now, you know, if we have

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Speaker 6: to pay for the sus elves.

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Speaker 3: Are you through the worst of it weatherwise right now?

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Speaker 6: No, we're not. Our high tide comes back at nine

753
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Speaker 6: o'clock to night, and then if the rain doesn't stop

754
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Speaker 6: and it all comes together, well we could have the

755
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Speaker 6: same effect at what happened this morning. And I'm not

756
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Speaker 6: trying to scare people, but we're well and truly monitoring it.

757
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Speaker 6: So they've just got to keep watching our Facebook page

758
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Speaker 6: in that and we should be able to help them out.

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Speaker 3: Craig, thank you very much and go well tonight. That's

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Speaker 3: Craig Little the wire or. We're mayor Hastings has also

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Speaker 3: been hit really hard by the weather. The mayor there,

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Speaker 3: Sandra Hazelhurst, is with us. A Sandra, Hi, Heather. What's

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Speaker 3: the damage with you guys?

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Speaker 16: Well, you know, we stood up our community emergency hub

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Speaker 16: out at home one last night and from eight o'clock

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Speaker 16: we had people coming in. There's been about forty four

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Speaker 16: people that have stayed overnight and have been staying in

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Speaker 16: the community hub. One hundred and forty families were door

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Speaker 16: knocked last night by the police. The high tide once

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Speaker 16: again is just like wide or is our concerned for tonight?

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Speaker 16: So our state of emergency remains in place, and so

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Speaker 16: does the evacuation notice. So we just want our community

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Speaker 16: to stay pot and stay where they are. I know

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Speaker 16: there's an inconvenience of being with friends and family for

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Speaker 16: another night, but we are concerned about the high tide

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Speaker 16: at nine pm and it's you know, we're building back

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Speaker 16: some of the all of the impacted areas, some of

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Speaker 16: the breaches through the inundation and the gravel barriers that

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Speaker 16: protect the community of Amawuana, and just really nervous that

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Speaker 16: they haven't. They still vulnerable and we don't know what

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Speaker 16: this high tide's going to do. So we're just going

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Speaker 16: to leave that state of emergency in the meantime.

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Speaker 3: Sandra, thank you, best of luck again. Also for you

784
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Speaker 3: guys tonight, I'll surely be talking to you again tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: That Sandra Hazelhurst, the Hastings mayor.

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Speaker 1: Heather due to see Allen triple murderer.

787
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Speaker 3: Lauren Dickerson says she's horrified by her actions. She misses

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Speaker 3: her daughters every single day. She has been sentenced today

789
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Speaker 3: to eighteen years with no minimum parole period, which means

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Speaker 3: she could be out after six years. She murdered her

791
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Speaker 3: six year old Leanne and her two year old twins

792
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 3: Maya and Carla and Timaru in September twenty twenty one.

793
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Speaker 3: Newstalk zb's reported Blake then he was in court today,

794
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Speaker 3: have Blake hi here that how are you well? Thank you?

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Speaker 3: Did the judge explain how he landed on this sentence?

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Speaker 24: Yes, Justice Camermander says he considered a vast range of

797
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 24: material and legal points and believed it would be manifestly

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Speaker 24: unjust to sentence Lauren's life imprisonment, which brings a minimum

799
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Speaker 24: non parole period of seventeen years or more. And now,

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Speaker 24: as you mentioned, of course, she was instead sentenced to

801
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Speaker 24: serve three eighteen year sentences concurrently with no minimum non

802
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 24: parole period. So that means Lauren's actually eligible for parole

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Speaker 24: after a third of her sentence has been so in

804
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Speaker 24: this case six years.

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Speaker 3: All right, She's starting the sentence in a mental health facility.

806
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Speaker 3: Is she at any point going to go to jail at.

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Speaker 24: Some point, so she will be detained at christ Church's

808
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 24: Helmrton Hospital. There she'll undergo compulsory treatment. In following that,

809
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 24: mental health experts will make that call on whether she's

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Speaker 24: reached the point of actually being mentally well enough to

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Speaker 24: then be transferred to prison.

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Speaker 3: Before the sentence was actually handled down, there were whole

813
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Speaker 3: bunch of victim impact statements who submitted them.

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Speaker 24: So there were eight victim impact statements read today, mostly

815
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Speaker 24: from family. A few have been suppressed, but what I

816
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 24: can tell you is one included Lauren's husband, Graham Dickerson.

817
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 24: He's moved back to South Africa, but attended via a

818
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Speaker 24: video link with the statement read on his behalf. He

819
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 24: said Lauren lost everything he has and he actually decided

820
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Speaker 24: early on to forgive her, saying having to live with

821
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Speaker 24: knowing what she did is severe enough punishment. Those sentiments

822
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Speaker 24: were echoed by Lauren's father, Malcolm Forks, when he bids

823
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Speaker 24: the court for mercy in its sentence. What was really

824
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 24: evident though he through most of the victim impact statements

825
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Speaker 24: from family is the feeling that not only did they

826
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Speaker 24: lose the three young girls but they lost Lauren two

827
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Speaker 24: and are still grieving their loss or her loss?

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Speaker 3: How did she appear in court today?

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Speaker 24: Little to no emotion on her face when that sentence

830
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 24: was delivered and throughout the entire hearing, To be honest,

831
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Speaker 24: although there was clear emotion as she reacted to some

832
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Speaker 24: of those really tough to listen to victim impact statements.

833
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Speaker 24: Throughout those she was turned around and facing those speaking

834
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Speaker 24: directly otherwise very stylet throughout.

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Speaker 3: And she herself apologized and court today didn't she yes?

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Speaker 24: So after the sentence, seeing her defense counsel released a

837
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 24: statement on her behalf and that she took responsibility for

838
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 24: her actions and said she failed her three daughters. She

839
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 24: acknowledged no apology will ever be enough and while her

840
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 24: words mate will seem hollow to many, she is horrified

841
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 24: by the pain, distress, and trauma caused to so many.

842
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:50,800
Speaker 24: Lauren said she will do whatever it takes to improve

843
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Speaker 24: her mental health and urged other women experiencing postpartum depression

844
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Speaker 24: symptoms to tell their loved ones so a similar pain

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Speaker 24: can be avoided.

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Speaker 3: Blake, thank you so much for us through That's black.

847
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Speaker 3: Benny Newstalks, eb's reporter in court.

848
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Speaker 1: Heather Duplessy Ellen.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So the Wellington City thing, Wellington City Council thing

850
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Speaker 3: is it's tomorrow. It is now like it is happening tomorrow.

851
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Speaker 3: It's on for tomorrow. And the reason I say that

852
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 3: is because the airport vote happened today and was put through.

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Speaker 3: From what I understand, I've been told from within the

854
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Speaker 3: vote that the airport's shares sale has been given the

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Speaker 3: okay by eleven to seven, which means tomorrow when they

856
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Speaker 3: do the long term plan. This is where it comes

857
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Speaker 3: down to the crunch, because a whole bunch of people

858
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Speaker 3: like it's really weird and it's complicated, but basically it

859
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Speaker 3: changes that who is voting changes. The EWE reps are

860
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Speaker 3: out of the voting situation, so it's just the elected

861
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Speaker 3: counselors and if enough of them are opposed to the

862
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Speaker 3: airport's sale, they could take down the whole long term plan.

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Speaker 3: This is fascinating because it appears that the Green Party

864
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,800
Speaker 3: and the Labor Party are trying to make the airport

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Speaker 3: sales thing stop right and the long term plan tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: They can do that by scuppering the long term plan tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: So I'll run you through what the Greens are up

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Speaker 3: to and then I'll run you through the Labor Party

869
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 3: and just a tickie. So Mayor Tory Fano and her

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Speaker 3: deputy Lori Foon are both Greens. They both support the

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Speaker 3: sale of the airport shares by Wellington City Council. Wellington

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Speaker 3: City Council, by the way, I selling thirty four percent

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Speaker 3: the airport's stake. They support it, but the Green Party

874
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Speaker 3: opposes it. So sources have told media that some in

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Speaker 3: the party are keen to punish them if they push

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Speaker 3: this through by blocking them running on the Green ticket.

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Speaker 3: Ever again, now that doesn't mean it will necessarily happen,

878
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Speaker 3: but it is a threat hanging over the pair of them,

879
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Speaker 3: and the Labor Party is up to something as Well'll

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Speaker 3: run you through that shortly quarter passed? Hey, admin staff,

881
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 3: have you ever thought of this? They must be getting

882
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Speaker 3: pretty tired of every second person asking them where the

883
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Speaker 3: lifts are, or where the bathrooms are, or how to

884
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Speaker 3: get out of the building. Just basic stuff like that,

885
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Speaker 3: Very easy to fix. Just get better signage. Speedy Signs

886
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Speaker 3: are experts at this sort of thing, and it's not

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Speaker 3: only wayfinding signage that speedy signs can help with. If

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Speaker 3: you're a fitness center, for example, large format images of

889
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 3: superfit people are a great way to get your clients

890
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 3: inspired to exercise. Or if you're a school, how about

891
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 3: getting some cultural art. We're professionally printed in stores. Maybe

892
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Speaker 3: your business is open twenty four hours a day, you're

893
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Speaker 3: definitely going to need some signage that stands out in

894
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Speaker 3: the dark of night, like illuminated or maybe led signage.

895
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Speaker 3: In fact, frankly, whatever kind of signage you need, Speedy

896
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Speaker 3: Signs can help you with it. Speedy Signs has been

897
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Speaker 3: around for more than twenty five years with nearly thirty

898
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Speaker 3: locations nationwide, So no matter how big or small your business,

899
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Speaker 3: they can help people find you. So to find them,

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Speaker 3: just visit Speedy Signs dot co dot nz or call

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Speaker 3: eight hundred.

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Speaker 1: Speedy Together do to the Clan.

903
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Speaker 3: Nineteen past five, we've got the terms of reference for

904
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Speaker 3: the Electricity Authorities review into that pylon collapse. It will

905
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Speaker 3: look at the cause of the event, it will look

906
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Speaker 3: at how transpower dealt with the situation afterwards, including how

907
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Speaker 3: transpower communicated with the public. Transport Minister and actually in

908
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Speaker 3: this capacity, Energy Minister Simeon Brown is with me now, hey, SAMN,

909
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Speaker 3: But anything it suggests that you might think the transpower's

910
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Speaker 3: comms maybe not up to scratch. Is that what you think?

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Speaker 6: Yes?

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Speaker 13: Why, well, I think they are a statur Owny enterprise

913
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Speaker 13: and they operate, own and operate the transmission lines in

914
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Speaker 13: New Zealand. Ultimately, I was up in Northland on Friday.

915
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Speaker 13: Feedback very clearly was there was a significant lack of

916
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Speaker 13: communication in the afternoon of Thursday last week, and actually

917
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Speaker 13: I expect also you know, there was no explanation given

918
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Speaker 13: publicly by the entity until Monday. I think it was

919
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Speaker 13: frankly unacceptable and actually they should be owning up to

920
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Speaker 13: what happens and explaining that to the public in a

921
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Speaker 13: much more open and honest way.

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Speaker 3: Couldn't agree more. When did they tell you what had happened?

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Speaker 14: Well, I wasn't told formally until Monday morning, but I

924
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Speaker 14: visited the site on Friday morning and had one quick

925
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Speaker 14: look at it and new straightaway.

926
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Speaker 3: Did anybody at the Was anybody at the site who

927
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Speaker 3: was like yes, I mean, can you see anybody confirm it?

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Speaker 13: I mean, very clearly they pointed out what was happening

929
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Speaker 13: and why, and it was very clearly explained what was

930
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Speaker 13: what happened happening.

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Speaker 3: Which.

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Speaker 13: They knew on Friday.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, not good enough. What's the punishment by the way

934
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Speaker 3: that they might get handed down?

935
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Speaker 13: Well, ultimately this is about looking at the review, looking

936
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Speaker 13: at the circumstances and taking lessons from it. Ultimately, the

937
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Speaker 13: boarder is accountable to the shareholding ministers and that they

938
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Speaker 13: have responsibility are on the governance. I'm looking at it

939
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Speaker 13: from an energy security perspective and saying this is unacceptable

940
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Speaker 13: what happened. There needs to be accountability. There needs to

941
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Speaker 13: also be a lessons learned, and also we need to

942
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Speaker 13: make sure that you know, in particular Northland, the resilience

943
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Speaker 13: of that community is considered. And that's why part of

944
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Speaker 13: the terms of reference is actually looking at Northland and

945
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Speaker 13: the resilience of that community. It has had a tough

946
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Speaker 13: few years, whether it's energy, whether it's transport, and actually

947
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Speaker 13: we need to look at the energy resilience of that community.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, hey, Simon, thank you very much. As always Simmy

949
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Speaker 3: and Brown the Energy minister. The other thing Simeon is

950
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Speaker 3: going to be doing almost certainly tomorrow's he's going to

951
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Speaker 3: be all over as Local government minister. What the hell's

952
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Speaker 3: going on at Wellington City council. So I've told you

953
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Speaker 3: what the Greens are up to. This is what Labour's

954
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Speaker 3: up tore O came. Two of the councilors who are

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Speaker 3: Labor councilors, Terry O'Neill and Rebecca Matthews, plan to vote

956
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Speaker 3: for the long term Plan tomorrow even though the long

957
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Speaker 3: term plan includes the sale of the airport shares. They

958
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Speaker 3: don't like the airport shares, but the pair of them

959
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Speaker 3: are like, we'll just wave it through and vote for

960
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Speaker 3: the long term Plan. Apparently, last night the Labor Party

961
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Speaker 3: called a meeting to talk about this and they took

962
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Speaker 3: a vote on whether they need to tell the counselors

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Speaker 3: these two, Terry O'Neil and Rebecca Matthews, to oppose the

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Speaker 3: sale and stick with the party's line because the party

965
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Speaker 3: opposes the sale of the airport share. So they voted

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Speaker 3: on whether to tell the counselors to vote against the

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Speaker 3: long term Plan tomorrow. They also considered de selecting Labor

968
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Speaker 3: councilors who allow the sale to go through. So Terry

969
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Speaker 3: and Rebecca, we do not know how that vote went

970
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Speaker 3: last night. I cannot tell you how that vote went

971
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Speaker 3: last night, but there is a threat against those two

972
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Speaker 3: that if they do not do what they are told

973
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Speaker 3: to do and stop the airports they share sale, they

974
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Speaker 3: might in fact no longer be Labor councilors. Five twenty two.

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Speaker 2: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather Duper c

976
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Speaker 2: Allen drive with one New Zealand let's get connected and

977
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Speaker 2: use dogs.

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Speaker 3: That'd be it's twenty five past five. Now, Chris Hopkins.

979
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Speaker 3: I need to talk about Chris Hipkins because he has

980
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Speaker 3: got my goat big time. He's going around this morning

981
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Speaker 3: saying that Winston Peters is opposed to the COVID inquiry,

982
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Speaker 3: you know, the bit that Labor established, the single bit

983
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Speaker 3: that has now been expanded. He's going around saying that

984
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Speaker 3: that Winston Peters as opposed to that single part that

985
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Speaker 3: Labor established because Winston is trying to and I quote

986
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Speaker 3: caught the cooker vote, which is to say, Winston's trying

987
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Speaker 3: to get the conspiracy theorists on board, which is why

988
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Speaker 3: he's opposed to that. Now, look, sure Winston deserves a

989
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 3: lierttle bit of this stuff, okay, because some of the

990
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Speaker 3: stuff that he was peddling in the election campaign was

991
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Speaker 3: definitely designed to scoop up the conspiracy theory vote, but

992
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Speaker 3: saying that his opposition to the Labor jack up inquiry

993
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Speaker 3: is courting the conspiracy theory vote is going too far.

994
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Speaker 3: The reason that Chippy's doing this is he's trying to

995
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Speaker 3: set up a narrative that if you want any more answer,

996
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 3: any more questions answered, then just the questions that Labor

997
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 3: we're going to answer. If you want to know anything else,

998
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 3: you're a conspiracy theorist. So he's trying to write you off. No, Chippy, no, no, no,

999
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,439
Speaker 3: as not just the loonies who think that your little

1000
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Speaker 3: inquiry was a jack up. It's a lot of people.

1001
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Speaker 3: Let me tell you about them. It's Aucklanders who are

1002
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 3: still angry with Labour for that long lockdown and what

1003
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 3: it did to businesses, who still want accountability for being

1004
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 3: shut up in the city when there was no point anymore.

1005
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 3: It's also businesses who were forced to shut down. It's

1006
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 3: also people who were forced out of their jobs because

1007
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 3: they wouldn't take a jab. Now, if Chippy genuinely believes

1008
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 3: that it's just conspiracy theorists who want answer on his

1009
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 3: government's crap handling of COVID, then he genuinely still does

1010
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 3: not understand the depth of anger that people have to

1011
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 3: this day towards him and Jacinda and Ashley and the

1012
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:14,760
Speaker 3: way that they ran the thing. He should hang around.

1013
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 3: I dare him just hang around in the leadership until

1014
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 3: February twenty twenty sixth, when we get the findings of

1015
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 3: that inquiry. See how the election goes for him if

1016
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Speaker 3: he keeps on poopoeing how we feel and just pretending

1017
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 3: that it's not a big deal. And frankly, can I

1018
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 3: just say, I'm also a little bit tired of this

1019
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 3: particular thing that Labour does all of the time where

1020
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 3: they attack people for not agreeing with them, and how

1021
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 3: they ran COVID. They spent their entire running of COVID

1022
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 3: doing this other ring of people. They called the protesters

1023
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 3: a river of filth. They refuse to go out and

1024
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Speaker 3: talk to actually normal people who had joined the pro

1025
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 3: parliamentary protest before it became feral. They punched down on

1026
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:50,840
Speaker 3: Charlotte Ballast, they punched down on the KFC worker like

1027
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 3: it was just like a list of stuff of them

1028
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Speaker 3: just being unkind, And frankly, I even think that them

1029
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Speaker 3: othering the people who didn't want to take the jab

1030
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 3: went too far. Actually, in retrospect, would you not agree

1031
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 3: it was there?

1032
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 5: Right?

1033
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:04,840
Speaker 3: They didn't want to take it, they didn't have to

1034
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Speaker 3: take it. Chippy might want to change his tune on

1035
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 3: this and actually start preparing has apology speech for when

1036
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Speaker 3: the inquiry delivers its findings.

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Speaker 1: Heather Duplicy, Ellen.

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Speaker 3: Paul Goldsmith next on the sentencing. I'm so there for that. Hey,

1039
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 3: listen to this, okay. Nikola Willis has clapped back at

1040
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Speaker 3: Brian Tarmacky on social media. He took a crack at

1041
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:24,879
Speaker 3: her on Twitter this morning for following a drag king

1042
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Speaker 3: called Willy Smack and Tush who does some family friendly

1043
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Speaker 3: storytime events. Destiny doesn't like the drag queen's reading books

1044
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Speaker 3: to kids, so Tarmiki wrote, can you believe New Zealand's

1045
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Speaker 3: Minister of Finance, Nikola Willis is a follower of Willy

1046
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Speaker 3: Smack and Tush and so Nikola Willis wrote back, saying,

1047
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 3: no need to be jealous, Brian, I'll follow you on

1048
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 3: Instagram too if you'll give lipstick and bowers ago in public.

1049
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 3: I just need to say in public. She didn't say that,

1050
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Speaker 3: but it should be in public. Headline's next.

1051
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Speaker 2: The Day's Newsmakers talk to Heather first, Heather Duplicy Allen

1052
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Speaker 2: Drive One New Zealand. Let's get connected and news talk

1053
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Speaker 2: zi be.

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Speaker 25: It's it's a little bit hypocritical of the Greens wanting

1055
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Speaker 25: to keep flying planes I e.

1056
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Speaker 3: Airport Chares it is. It is a funny situation for

1057
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Speaker 3: the Greens that they seem to they want to retain

1058
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 3: some sort of steak in the airport in order to

1059
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Speaker 3: have strategic control of it, like to have a stake

1060
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Speaker 3: in a strategic asset. But the strategic asset is turning

1061
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Speaker 3: Earth into a furious hell fire because of the climate.

1062
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Speaker 3: I don't know how they square that, but then it's

1063
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Speaker 3: the Greens who knows. Maybe they don't. I don't really

1064
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Speaker 3: know who. Get inside there, you know, get inside the head.

1065
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Speaker 3: You come tell me, because I have no bloody idea anyway. Listen,

1066
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Speaker 3: after six o'clock we're gonna have a chat to Labour's

1067
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Speaker 3: Rachel Brooking. They want the government to release the list

1068
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Speaker 3: of projects that have applied for fast Track, not just not.

1069
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Speaker 3: We want to know right now apparently what's up, not

1070
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Speaker 3: later on, So we'll try and get to the bottom

1071
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Speaker 3: of exactly what's going on there with them. When they're

1072
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 3: with us after six o'clock, the huddle standing by and

1073
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Speaker 3: it's twenty three away from six. Ever do for clen

1074
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Speaker 3: So the government's going to pull sentencing judges into line.

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Speaker 3: It's announced a suite of changes to sentencing laws. The

1076
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Speaker 3: maximum discount on a sentence will be forty percent. There

1077
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Speaker 3: will be a new aggravating factor for those who offend

1078
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Speaker 3: against soul charge workers like dairy workers, and a judge

1079
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Speaker 3: will be instructed to take into account the victims' interests

1080
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Speaker 3: in the sentence as well. Paul Goldsmith is the Justice

1081
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 3: Minister with us. Now, Hey, Paul, Hey, how are you going?

1082
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:37,360
Speaker 3: I'm very well, thank you. Aren't judges just going to

1083
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:40,399
Speaker 3: dig the system anyway by starting lower when they start

1084
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Speaker 3: applying the discount? So if they start lower, a forty

1085
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:44,760
Speaker 3: percent discount will get them where they want to go anyway?

1086
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Speaker 13: Well, look, ultimately it's the role of Parliament to indicate

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Speaker 13: what the sentence law is and what the framework is

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Speaker 13: and what we've seen. No society can function if there

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Speaker 13: are not clear consequences for crime time and people are

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Speaker 13: taking responsibility for their crimes. And the worry that we've

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Speaker 13: had is that those consequences have diminished over the last

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Speaker 13: few years as more and more discounts have been applied

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Speaker 13: by judges, and so we're just coming back and saying, well, actually, no,

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Speaker 13: we're going to restrict the ability for those discounts to

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Speaker 13: be applied to forty percent. And that seems a very

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Speaker 13: clear signal from Parliament, which is a reflection of the

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Speaker 13: very widespread concerns in the community around violent crime. And

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Speaker 13: so that's the message you're going to send and I'm

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Speaker 13: confident that it will be registered.

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Speaker 3: So the forty percent discount is the maximum unless manifestly unjudged.

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Speaker 3: Aren't judge is just always going to use manifestly unjudged

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Speaker 3: to get out of it.

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Speaker 13: No, I don't think so, And there's a clear threshold

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Speaker 13: for that. But now the three Parliament, well that it

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Speaker 13: is manifestly unjust, but that there is a sort of

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Speaker 13: a core process and an understanding of what that means,

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Speaker 13: and it's not the standard out will we need it.

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Speaker 3: So manifestly unjustment, manifestly unjust is not just a vibe.

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Speaker 3: There's an actual de finition of what it is.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, indeed, and so look for that it's manifestly unjust

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Speaker 13: and freaking out it's not a VI. It was in

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Speaker 13: the context of the free strikes legislation and there's been

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Speaker 13: quite a clear sort of case or that's developing around that.

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Speaker 13: But the point is, ultimately Parliament can decide at the

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Speaker 13: moment it has maximum sentences for particular crimes. No Aparliament

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Speaker 13: could have minimum sentences, or it could have a mandatory sentence.

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Speaker 13: We haven't gone that route. What we've done is we've

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Speaker 13: put some boundaries around the system, but ultimately Parliament has

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Speaker 13: other options up at sleeve, but needs to. You know,

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Speaker 13: we want to work. You know, there's there's committee between

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Speaker 13: the executive and the judiciary and but we're sending a

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Speaker 13: very clear message right here, right now that we want.

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Speaker 14: To have tougher sentences.

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Speaker 13: Previous government had a message we want to reduce the

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Speaker 13: prison population. No matter what our clear messages. We want

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Speaker 13: to have tougher consequences for crime because that's what the

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Speaker 13: community wants and we need to deal with what has

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Speaker 13: been an increase in violent crime over the last.

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Speaker 3: Have you dropped the plan to do the community the

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Speaker 3: cumulative sentences for offenses that are committed on parole, biol

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Speaker 3: or custody.

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Speaker 13: No, we haven't dropped what we're doing is we're limiting

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Speaker 13: concurrent sentencing and making it a provision that states a

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Speaker 13: cumulative sentences. And yeah, I think it's confusing, but cumulative

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Speaker 13: is where if you've you've been caught doing something you're

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Speaker 13: doing well yeah, but your your messages.

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Speaker 6: Yes.

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Speaker 13: Well, what we're doing is we're saying that cumulative sentences

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Speaker 13: will generally be appropriate for offending one paroleacidy. We haven't

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Speaker 13: got rid of concurrent sentencing entirely. Uh what and so

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Speaker 13: what we've agreed as the cabinet is to strengthen up

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Speaker 13: the law in that area so that the expectation is

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Speaker 13: that there will be commulative cumulative sentences if people are offending.

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Speaker 3: Okay, cool, when's it coming in?

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Speaker 13: Well, probably early next year.

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Speaker 14: It will be passed.

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Speaker 13: We're working on draft the legislation right now, will be

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Speaker 13: introduced in the next few months to be a brief

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Speaker 13: sally committee process and then it will be a read

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Speaker 13: role early next year.

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Speaker 3: Good stuff. Hey, Paul, thank you very much, appreciate. It's

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Speaker 3: Paul Goldsmith, the Justice Minister.

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Speaker 2: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Exceptional marketing

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Speaker 2: for every property.

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Speaker 3: On the huddle this even Claire to Law and Allie Jones, Hell,

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Speaker 3: are you too coloured? Claire? Eighteen years for Lauren Dickison?

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Speaker 3: Was she mad or was she bad?

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Speaker 11: Well, she was found able to stand trial for these

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Speaker 11: three letters. She wasn't found insane, So I think you'd

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Speaker 11: have to say, if you're convicted to murder, there is

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Speaker 11: an element of bad there. But I think mostly this

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Speaker 11: is a very very sad situation. There are absolutely no wins.

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Speaker 11: There's nothing except loss for everyone, including her. She has

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Speaker 11: lost everything and she knows that, presumably as she was

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Speaker 11: fit to stand trial. She is very aware of what

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Speaker 11: she did and the facts that we're read are just appalling.

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Speaker 11: So for the whole family, for everyone involved, it is

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Speaker 11: just the most un terrible sort of thought. What happened

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Speaker 11: to both three girls and how any of them get

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Speaker 11: on with normal lives after this?

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Speaker 23: Heaven knows?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, hard thing to bear. What do you reckon? Ellie?

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Speaker 13: Well?

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Speaker 9: I agree with Claire.

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Speaker 26: I mean, we weren't in the court, we didn't hear

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Speaker 26: all the evidence, and she was found guilty. What I

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Speaker 26: found really unnerving and concerning last night with some of

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Speaker 26: the television coverage where you know, we were hearing from

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Speaker 26: mental health experts who talked about the terrible place that

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Speaker 26: Lauren Dickison must have been in. I think the husband

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Speaker 26: may have mentioned this as well, So you know, I

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Speaker 26: do agree that the you know, a group of her

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Speaker 26: peers have found her guilty. But why bring in the

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Speaker 26: mental health issue there? And is this an entirely fair

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Speaker 26: sentence for a woman who may have been, you know,

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Speaker 26: a little unhinged or there being a degree of mental

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Speaker 26: health issues there? And look, I'd love to have a

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Speaker 26: long discussion on this too, and I would have loved

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Speaker 26: to have been in the court for all of it,

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Speaker 26: because I don't think there's an easy answer. But the

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Speaker 26: bottom line is she was found guilty by a group

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Speaker 26: of people who heard and saw all the evidence.

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Speaker 3: So you know, what can you do? You do you

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Speaker 3: think Ali that they should have should not have brought

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Speaker 3: in the mental health element.

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Speaker 26: You mean in the post reporting. Yeah, well, nothing surprises

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Speaker 26: me anymore actually on how stuff is reported, Heather. But

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Speaker 26: I think it's probably something people were thinking. I found

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Speaker 26: it confusing. I mean, why bring that in when it's

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Speaker 26: obviously something that didn't play a part in the decision

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Speaker 26: on the sene.

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Speaker 3: Because is it possible Ali that while the court may

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Speaker 3: not have found that she had gone into a place

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Speaker 3: that was I mean, the court didn't find her insane, right,

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Speaker 3: but it's still possible that post natal depression, I mean

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Speaker 3: obviously was part of it.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: Is that not possible?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 11: Yeah?

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Speaker 26: But when not psychiatrists or psychologists or mental health experts.

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Speaker 26: I mean, as Claire said, no one can imagine what

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Speaker 26: this has done to the family or I mean, just

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Speaker 26: watching the story with those little girls was my heart

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Speaker 26: was breaking. And we're not the experts to answer that,

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Speaker 26: so we kind of have to trust that the people

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Speaker 26: representing her in court did all that they could do

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Speaker 26: to address that.

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Speaker 16: Is it clear?

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Speaker 3: Maybe just us trying to understand And I say, this

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Speaker 3: is like myself as a woman who is a mother.

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Speaker 3: Is it us trying to understand how and God's name

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Speaker 3: a mother could do this?

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Speaker 11: Yeah, and I don't think you probably can. And it's

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Speaker 11: such a dark place to think of being in that

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Speaker 11: you would do that and do it twice again after

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Speaker 11: killing the first child, you would think something would shake

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Speaker 11: you away. But we're not psychiatrists, but it really you know,

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Speaker 11: the mental health issue is a major but mental health

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Speaker 11: does not excuse murder, but nothing can ever make up

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Speaker 11: for the loss of those children and the terrible, terrible futures.

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Speaker 11: So everybody has that hanging over their head in that family.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, Okay, we'll take a break. We'll come back with

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Speaker 3: you guys in just to court just a little bit.

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Speaker 2: It's called to the Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's international realty,

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Speaker 2: unparalleled reach and results.

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Speaker 3: Back with the Huddle, Ali Jones cleared to law Ali,

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Speaker 3: what do you make of the sentencing changes to really

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Speaker 3: pull those sentencing judges into line.

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Speaker 26: I think parliaments react into what the current governments you know,

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Speaker 26: has said and made very clear and campaigned on the

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Speaker 26: lack of consequences for violent crime. And you know what

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Speaker 26: we've still seeing needs addressing the thing that I think

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Speaker 26: they're missing here, and to use one of their phrases,

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Speaker 26: it needs a laser focused effort from the coalition government.

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Speaker 26: Is how they're going to deal with the increase in

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Speaker 26: prison population, you know, And I would have liked to

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Speaker 26: have heard Paul Goldsmith respond to that also, how they're

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Speaker 26: dealing with the urgent need of breaking some of the

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Speaker 26: generational dysfunction that leads to you know, generations of families

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Speaker 26: continuing to break the law. I mean that the poverty,

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Speaker 26: the generational issues at poverty, cause that's what I'd like

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Speaker 26: to see some long term strategy thinking on. But overall

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Speaker 26: they're doing what they said they were going to do,

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Speaker 26: and I think it's about time at where it was

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Speaker 26: brought back into line.

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Speaker 3: Ye're too right clear, are you into it?

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Speaker 11: It's not a game.

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Speaker 13: Header you can cheer.

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Speaker 3: You can cheer for the crimes going to jail. That's okay.

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Speaker 11: I'm not cheering for the crimes. I think that Parli

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Speaker 11: pester respond to not just the public move but actually

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Speaker 11: the reality of the type of crime that's been commission

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Speaker 11: and I think that it's a really good thing. For example,

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Speaker 11: that if your work and your home are bound up together,

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Speaker 11: like so many dairy owners, that that becomes a more

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Speaker 11: serious almost like a home invasion church, rather than just

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Speaker 11: a standalone charge of ram rating. And you know, Parliament

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Speaker 11: has set guidelines before, so for those who criticize the

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Speaker 11: alteration of them, it's not the first time that Parliament

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Speaker 11: has set guidelines and it's not for the judiciary to

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Speaker 11: resile from the laws that have made them of country.

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Speaker 11: So I just hope that it has some effect. But

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Speaker 11: I agree with Ellie, what will you do when you

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Speaker 11: have a growing prison population? Clearly you drop the idea

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Speaker 11: of cumulative sentences for a whole bunch of things because

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Speaker 11: you just don't have the capacity.

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Speaker 4: That's a big worry.

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Speaker 3: How do you feel, Allie about Chris Hopkins saying that

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Speaker 3: Winston Peters is courting the Koka vote by having a

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Speaker 3: problem with Labour's jack up with an inquiry.

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Speaker 26: Oh I gripped my stomach and laughed wholeheartedly when I

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Speaker 26: heard that, Heather, It's nonsense.

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Speaker 11: Absolutely.

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Speaker 26: I do think though there's a little bit of perhaps

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Speaker 26: Peters and Seymour wanting to stick it to Labor. You know,

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Speaker 26: I can see that that would give them great joy.

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Speaker 26: But I think the question you have to ask is

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Speaker 26: what is a review going to achieve? Because if it's

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Speaker 26: to point fingers and you know, a portion blame, then

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Speaker 26: I see no point at all. If it's to look

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Speaker 26: at the way that things could perhaps be done better,

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Speaker 26: so the next time this happens we can.

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Speaker 3: Do Holdally, you're not the first person to say this

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Speaker 3: on the show. Let me ask you this question, Okay,

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Speaker 3: was erebis Was that a Royal Commission and Commission of Inquiry.

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Speaker 26: We're from my recollection and was the.

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Speaker 3: Point of it to point fingers and a portion blame?

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Speaker 26: I think it depends what the terms of reference to.

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Speaker 3: But there's value in that, isn't there? I mean there

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Speaker 3: is no one actually saying you are responsible for this thing?

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Speaker 26: Yeah, but is that the right place to do it?

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Speaker 26: I mean I would it's yeah.

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Speaker 7: No.

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Speaker 26: Look, I think that the operational, the way something is

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Speaker 26: run and the people are employed, and the people are

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Speaker 26: employed who employ them, that's where the accountability and the

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Speaker 26: consequences are. I don't see any point in having a

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Speaker 26: Royal commission on something so that you can blame someone

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Speaker 26: and point fingers. Sure there's got to be some accountability,

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Speaker 26: but you make in general and you also highlight what

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Speaker 26: needs to be done so it doesn't happen again. That's

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Speaker 26: the value of a review.

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Speaker 3: Okay, And what do you think, Claire?

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Speaker 19: Well?

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Speaker 11: I did say Vally to have said next time, because

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Speaker 11: I think we have to take the chance while it's

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Speaker 11: still fresh enough to learn for the future, because this

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Speaker 11: might be bast pandemic. That is, we all know that now,

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Speaker 11: and to actually report for historical purposes too. What happened.

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Speaker 11: It's pretty important to know about the lockdown's, the criteria,

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Speaker 11: the creation of the cir called lobby, which was actually

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Speaker 11: a very unfair lottery, and to avoid that sort of

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Speaker 11: lack of compassion coming back into the response. You know,

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Speaker 11: Finston Peters, there is a degree of settling scores here.

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Speaker 11: You might recall that he was trespassed from Parliament grounds

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Speaker 11: for two years for going down and speaking to the protesters.

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Speaker 11: Now not all of them were not jobs, but some

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Speaker 11: of them were. But he was completely as it turned

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Speaker 11: out later, because that trespass notice was overturned. It was

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Speaker 11: within his rights to go and speak to those people.

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Speaker 11: So I think it's important to know what are there,

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Speaker 11: what are the boundaries of even the Speaker of our

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Speaker 11: Parliament who imposed that tresspass notice on members well he

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Speaker 11: wasn't a member of Parliament, but on people legitimately going

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Speaker 11: about their business. Reporters for example, did not go down.

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Speaker 11: There's a lot of there's an awful lot of information

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Speaker 11: yet to the surface, and I think the settling of

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Speaker 11: scores is important to Winston Peters. He does seem to

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Speaker 11: be somebody with an ultan like memory. But I also

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Speaker 11: do think that for the rest of us. It's important

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Speaker 11: kind of.

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Speaker 12: Know what not.

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Speaker 3: So I'm completely honest. I feel like I might have

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Speaker 3: a few scores to settle as well. I really appreciated

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Speaker 3: love talking to the pair of you cleat At or

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Speaker 3: Alie Jones.

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Speaker 2: On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in

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Speaker 3: Be Hey, Glory of Ol has got a little bit

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Speaker 3: in around about twenty minutes time. Here the please stop

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Speaker 3: your self indulgent motherhood clap trap. Try being the partner

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Speaker 3: of you hormonal psychos, Jeff, to be fair, we actually

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Speaker 3: are psycho. Though we are psycho, aren't we Like once

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Speaker 3: a month what happens to us? And then when you

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Speaker 3: have the baby and then you're breastfeeding, and it's like,

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Speaker 3: oh my gosh, there are times where I feel your pain.

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Speaker 3: There really are times I'm not even taking the mickey

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Speaker 3: out of you anyway, Listen, Apparent, I should have asked

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Speaker 3: those two ladies about it, because they were absolutely the

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Speaker 3: perfect age group. Apparently, MDMA and ecstasy is catching on

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Speaker 3: with middle aged and older Kiwis. A couple spoke to

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Speaker 3: the Herald. They're using it to improve their relationships. So

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Speaker 3: maybe four times a year they haven't at home in

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Speaker 3: their fifties, they haven't at home party just the two

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Speaker 3: of them. They put the music on very loud in

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Speaker 3: the living room. They dance together. They caress each other's faces,

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Speaker 3: and the list the many ways in which they love

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Speaker 3: each other, and they connect them for weeks afterwards. She

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Speaker 3: doesn't even she's not even irritated by him not emptying

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Speaker 3: the dishwasher, and he's not even irritated by her. Hormonal

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Speaker 3: psychonists anyway, they had a look at the figures and yes,

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Speaker 3: ten years ago, forty five to fifty four year olds

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Speaker 3: were only reporting a tiny bit of MDMA usage, about

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Speaker 3: zero point five percent, But in the last few years

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Speaker 3: they're hitting numbers like three point one percent. A most

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Speaker 3: of us grew out of that stuff, obviously, not you headlines,

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Speaker 3: met you, I need you, old God A.

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Speaker 1: Need It's beautiful, says it. Oh, what's what's down? What

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Speaker 1: were to make your calls?

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Speaker 2: And how will it affect the economy of the big

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Speaker 2: business questions on the Business Hour with hither Duplessy Allen

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Speaker 2: and my Hr on News Talks.

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Speaker 3: Evening. Coming up with the next hour, some surprising economic

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Speaker 3: optimism in a survey that I'm going to tell you

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Speaker 3: about before we talk to two degrees about it, Genative

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Speaker 3: Trainee on B and Z trying to close glory of

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Speaker 3: Ails accounts and ulfed asset management on the Meridian Energy

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Speaker 3: invest to day. It's coming up eight past six now.

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Speaker 3: The Labor Party is having another crack at the government's

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Speaker 3: fast Track legislation. Under the new law, anyone wanting to

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Speaker 3: get a project fast track was invited to put an

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Speaker 3: application in in April, but we don't know exactly who applied.

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Speaker 3: Labour says we need to be told which projects have

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Speaker 3: applied before the fast Track bill gets through the Select

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Speaker 3: committee process. Rachel Brooking is Labor Party's Environment spokesperson and

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Speaker 3: with us now, Hey Rachel, Hello, okay, hi, why do

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Speaker 3: you want to know now?

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Speaker 23: We want to know now so we know what we're

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Speaker 23: talking about. And at the moment we can only guess

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Speaker 23: that it's going to be a coal mine and the

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Speaker 23: key we habitat and that's because of what ministers like

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Speaker 23: Shane Jones say, we have other ministers such as a

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Speaker 23: Prime Minister and Chris Bishop say, oh no, no, we're

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Speaker 23: going to use this bill to do renewable energy projects

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Speaker 23: in the life. But the way the bill is written,

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Speaker 23: it could mean a whole lot of thing. So we

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Speaker 23: want to know what this project are and have an

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Speaker 23: opportunity for members of Parliament to talk about what those

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Speaker 23: projects might be. But also members of the public should

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Speaker 23: have to say too, because this is totally overwriting all

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Speaker 23: of the community plans that are out there at the moment.

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Speaker 3: So my understanding, and please tell me if this is

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Speaker 3: right or wrong, But my understanding is that what the

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Speaker 3: government's plan to do is take the thing through the

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Speaker 3: Select Committee process and then after it's gone through, but

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Speaker 3: before it gets passed by the House, then the list

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Speaker 3: of applicants is added to the bill. Is that right?

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Speaker 23: That's right. So that's in the committee stage of the House.

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Speaker 23: But the Select Committee is finished its process then goes

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Speaker 23: back to the House for the second meading and the

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Speaker 23: committee stage. Then you can add amendments to a bill

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Speaker 23: at that point.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And so what that means is that before any

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Speaker 3: decisions are made by the experts or the ministers. We

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Speaker 3: will already know what the projects are.

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Speaker 23: Some of the projects, the projects that are on a

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Speaker 23: particular list are ones that I avoid a referral process

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Speaker 23: so they can go straight to the expert panel and

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Speaker 23: then the final decision is made by ministers. There's also

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Speaker 23: other processes in the bill for projects to be referred

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Speaker 23: by ministers that don't need to be on the list.

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Speaker 3: Okay, what's the point in I mean, Rachel, there's nothing

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Speaker 3: you or I can do right to influence whether something

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Speaker 3: gets given the go ahead or not because it's going

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Speaker 3: to this panel and it's going to the ministers. There's

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Speaker 3: no democratic process in here. So what's the point of knowing?

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Speaker 23: Well, I think a lot of the bill needs to

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Speaker 23: change for a start, you know, for a start, the

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Speaker 23: bill needs to not override all of our environmental protection

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Speaker 23: for the minister's pet projects, and these are big projects

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Speaker 23: that for some reason don't have to abide by the

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Speaker 23: same rules that's what the projects have to so it

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Speaker 23: does need to change that. It's that then also the

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Speaker 23: expert panel that makes the decision based on those criteria

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Speaker 23: that we find in our environmental legislation.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I get that, but we can't influence it, can.

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Speaker 23: We Well, we can always try and influence things and

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Speaker 23: change the bill. We've heard in Parliament today and question

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Speaker 23: time the Prime Minister was saying that he'd look at

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Speaker 23: changes to the bill that the Select Committee puts forward.

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Speaker 23: So that's why I'm talking to you and continuing to

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Speaker 23: talk about how the bill needs to change because we

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Speaker 23: have had fast track legislasion in the past. We've got

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Speaker 23: some doubt as well, whereby it is just that it's

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Speaker 23: to fast trak a normal process where you have normal

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Speaker 23: environmental protections and you don't just have a politician deciding

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Speaker 23: that something will go ahead.

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Speaker 3: The thing I guess is I can see why you

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Speaker 3: want to know it. I mean, I can understand because

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Speaker 3: it's going to add some color to this, right, It's

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Speaker 3: going to flesh out the details and we'll actually know

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Speaker 3: what we're debating. The problem with knowing in advance maybe

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Speaker 3: that we start debating these individual projects instead of actually

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Speaker 3: debating in the Select Committee process the merit of the process,

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Speaker 3: which is what we should be debating.

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Speaker 23: Right, we can debate both because if the bill is

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Speaker 23: remaining how it is at the moment and people don't

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Speaker 23: have a say on what's in that list either. Then

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Speaker 23: then you know there's just no public process on what's

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Speaker 23: on those lists, and there'll be even more questions, you know,

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Speaker 23: very real, genuine questions from the public about what social

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Speaker 23: license post projects had.

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Speaker 3: All right, Hey, thank you, Rachel, really ap you appreciate

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Speaker 3: your time. That's Rachel Brooking, the Labor Party Environment spokesperson.

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Speaker 3: So the good bit of economic news that I was

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Speaker 3: telling you about is that two degrees has done the survey.

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Speaker 3: They've talked to seven hundred and four employers and they

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Speaker 3: have found a surprising level of optimism out there given

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Speaker 3: the situation. Thirty four percent of the employers who spoke

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Speaker 3: to the two degree survey said they're feeling optimistic about

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Speaker 3: how their own businesses are doing. That is up from

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Speaker 3: thirty two percent last year. Now, last year was not

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Speaker 3: as hard as this year, was it. So last year

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Speaker 3: not as hard as this year, but this year we're

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Speaker 3: starting to feel more optimistic. Fifty three percent of businesses

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Speaker 3: said that they are anticipating revenue growth next year, which

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Speaker 3: is up from fifty percent last year. Now what I

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Speaker 3: reckon this tells you Two degrees will talk to us later.

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Speaker 3: They can tell us what it actually says. But what

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Speaker 3: I reckon it tells you is that these businesses think

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Speaker 3: we're through the worst with the recession and the interest

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Speaker 3: rates and the inflation and all the stuff that we're through.

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Speaker 3: We are through the worst. Now they can start to

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Speaker 3: see the signs of things improving. So Andrew Fairgray, who

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Speaker 3: is the chief business officer at two degrees, will be

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Speaker 3: us just after half past six. Genative Trainee's next thirteen past.

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Speaker 3: And remember always read the label takes directed if symptoms persist,

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Speaker 3: see your healthcare professional. Rescue Remedy brought to you by

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Speaker 3: Farmer Broker.

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Speaker 1: Auckland Good Heather do for see Ellen.

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Speaker 3: Oh hey, the betting scandal I've been meaning to talk

1522
01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:33,240
Speaker 3: to you about this page is the betting scandal in

1523
01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:36,960
Speaker 3: politics in the UK has just reached an absurd level.

1524
01:13:37,439 --> 01:13:40,880
Speaker 3: Labor has suspended a candidate now because it busted him

1525
01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:45,240
Speaker 3: betting against himself. So this guy, Kevin Craig went to

1526
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:48,200
Speaker 3: the book Ease and bet that he was going to

1527
01:13:48,280 --> 01:13:51,120
Speaker 3: lose his seat. What an absolute clown. And there's more

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01:13:51,400 --> 01:13:53,639
Speaker 3: the governments. There's more in the government going on as well.

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01:13:53,680 --> 01:13:55,120
Speaker 3: So Gavin Grave will took us through it when he's

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01:13:55,160 --> 01:13:57,200
Speaker 3: with us before the end of the program. At seventeen

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Speaker 3: past six, now, Gloria Vale has taken an off in

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01:14:00,160 --> 01:14:03,360
Speaker 3: the battle to keep access to banking services. Be and

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01:14:03,479 --> 01:14:05,800
Speaker 3: Z has been wanting to close Gloria Vale's accounts for

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Speaker 3: two years now. It's going to be decided at trial.

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Speaker 3: Genative trainee is The Herald's Wellington business editor and with

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01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:14,719
Speaker 3: us now, hey Jana, hey, Heather, even before it gets

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01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:17,800
Speaker 3: to trial, there's going to be a hearing on an injunction, right,

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01:14:17,880 --> 01:14:20,240
Speaker 3: and so these accounts could close before it even goes

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01:14:20,280 --> 01:14:20,679
Speaker 3: to trial.

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Speaker 9: Is that right, Yeah, that's right.

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01:14:23,200 --> 01:14:26,920
Speaker 12: So b and Z was upset because the court said

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Speaker 12: that it had to keep Gloria Vale's accounts open until

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01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:33,360
Speaker 12: the issue was dealt with at trial. So B and

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01:14:33,439 --> 01:14:35,200
Speaker 12: Z went to the Court of Appeal and said, hey, look,

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01:14:35,320 --> 01:14:38,760
Speaker 12: we don't agree with this interim injunction. Now the Court

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01:14:38,760 --> 01:14:42,120
Speaker 12: of Appeal will look at that issue. Depending on what

1547
01:14:42,200 --> 01:14:44,080
Speaker 12: the Court of Appeal finds, you know, that could end

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Speaker 12: up being quite a big blow for Gloria Vale. Of course.

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01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:50,320
Speaker 12: You know, like all of us, you need a bank

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01:14:50,360 --> 01:14:54,240
Speaker 12: account to operate in today's society, and Gloria Vale is

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01:14:54,560 --> 01:14:56,240
Speaker 12: no different, you know, to the rest of us.

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01:14:56,360 --> 01:14:58,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, So, what's bn z's argument for why it wants

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01:14:58,400 --> 01:14:59,960
Speaker 3: to suspend the accounts, will shut them down.

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01:15:00,920 --> 01:15:04,600
Speaker 12: Well, B and Z took action in twenty twenty two

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01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:09,679
Speaker 12: after employment court decision was made that said some former

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01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:12,479
Speaker 12: Glory of Our members who'd been working in the community

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01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:15,360
Speaker 12: since they were six years old should have been treated

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01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:20,560
Speaker 12: as employees, not volunteers. So that prompted bean Z to say, sorry, Gloriavale,

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01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:22,040
Speaker 12: we want to get rid of you. We don't want

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01:15:22,080 --> 01:15:26,360
Speaker 12: to bank you anymore because you know you're set up

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01:15:26,560 --> 01:15:29,880
Speaker 12: doesn't align with our human rights policy. So ban Z

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01:15:30,040 --> 01:15:33,280
Speaker 12: gave Gloria three Glorival three months to find another bank.

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01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:37,799
Speaker 12: Glorivale couldn't find another bank, so you know, the issue

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01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:39,719
Speaker 12: has has ended up in court.

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01:15:40,160 --> 01:15:40,360
Speaker 15: Now.

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Speaker 12: The thing here here that I think it's actually a

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Speaker 12: really interesting case. A for Gloria Vale, as I said before,

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Speaker 12: it needs a bank to sort of survive in the

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Speaker 12: modern world. But b this issue could set a legal

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Speaker 12: president for other banks in terms of, you know, sort

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Speaker 12: of provide adding some clarity around the extent to which

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Speaker 12: banks can choose who they do business with.

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Speaker 3: Takes us to the Nigel Farage case, doesn't it where

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01:16:06,439 --> 01:16:08,200
Speaker 3: the bank just decided they didn't want to do banking

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Speaker 3: with him and that was the end of that.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, there are quite a few examples of this at

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01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:19,920
Speaker 12: the moment, so cryptocurrency traders and businesses, also money remitters.

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01:16:20,280 --> 01:16:23,519
Speaker 12: These are some of the things that have been d banked.

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01:16:24,120 --> 01:16:26,439
Speaker 12: The banks have said, no, you pose too much of

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01:16:26,479 --> 01:16:29,080
Speaker 12: a risk to us, you know, because we don't know

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01:16:29,120 --> 01:16:31,960
Speaker 12: if you're laundering money, for example. That's been a concern

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01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:35,439
Speaker 12: with some of the money remitters and the cryptocurrency people.

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01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:39,719
Speaker 12: So you know, there is this kind of larger debate

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01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:43,160
Speaker 12: at the moment. Can banks choose who they do business with?

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01:16:44,439 --> 01:16:47,360
Speaker 12: And you know, what are the consequences if banks say no, sorry,

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01:16:47,400 --> 01:16:50,080
Speaker 12: we don't want anything to do with you. Is quite

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01:16:50,080 --> 01:16:50,599
Speaker 12: a hot topic.

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01:16:50,680 --> 01:16:53,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally. What happens if Gloria Vale has its accounts

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Speaker 3: shut down? Do they have to just draw millions and

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01:16:55,280 --> 01:16:57,400
Speaker 3: millions of dollars out and stick it in suitcases?

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01:16:58,280 --> 01:17:01,920
Speaker 12: Gosh, well would have to waste and see you know

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01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:06,120
Speaker 12: this Glory Vala is definitely coming under increasing pressure from

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01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:08,599
Speaker 12: so many fronts at the moment, so you know that

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01:17:08,640 --> 01:17:11,880
Speaker 12: this will be a key issue. It's lawyers, you know,

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01:17:12,040 --> 01:17:15,479
Speaker 12: argue that these are a vulnerable people and you know,

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01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:20,360
Speaker 12: you can't just remove banking services from them. But you know, beans,

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01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:22,840
Speaker 12: it is a private company. If it doesn't want to

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01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:24,320
Speaker 12: give me a mortgage, it doesn't have to.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Jennay, thank you very much. Thanks for running us

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01:17:26,880 --> 01:17:30,000
Speaker 3: through the geneative trainee. The Herald's Wellington Business editor hither.

1601
01:17:30,040 --> 01:17:31,760
Speaker 3: I've been to to buy many times over the last

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01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:34,240
Speaker 3: twenty years, back in December most recently. I'm not sure

1603
01:17:34,240 --> 01:17:37,880
Speaker 3: how much. Excuse me, I'm going to cough. I'm alive,

1604
01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:39,960
Speaker 3: don't worry. It's not COVID. I'm not sure, just in

1605
01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:42,320
Speaker 3: case Chris Hopkins is listening and wants to other me

1606
01:17:42,479 --> 01:17:44,680
Speaker 3: for having the rowner. I don't. I'm not sure how

1607
01:17:44,720 --> 01:17:48,160
Speaker 3: much democratic process there is. But they get their shite done,

1608
01:17:48,360 --> 01:17:50,160
Speaker 3: and they get it done quickly, and they get it

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01:17:50,200 --> 01:17:51,840
Speaker 3: done well, and people are flocking there to live. And

1610
01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:53,240
Speaker 3: I would move there in a heartbeat if I could.

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01:17:53,280 --> 01:17:54,680
Speaker 3: And I bet they don't have an RMA. But they

1612
01:17:54,680 --> 01:17:56,120
Speaker 3: don't need to be told what to do from an

1613
01:17:56,320 --> 01:17:58,880
Speaker 3: environmental aspect, They just do it anyway. Paul, up with you.

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01:17:59,000 --> 01:18:00,640
Speaker 3: I love a bit of democracy. I'm not going to lie.

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01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:03,599
Speaker 3: I think democracy is really important, but I am sick

1616
01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:06,559
Speaker 3: of forest and birds shutting stuff down, aren't you? And

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01:18:06,680 --> 01:18:08,720
Speaker 3: I am sick of everybody just being like, no, you

1618
01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:10,600
Speaker 3: can't do this thing. I just want some minds. I

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01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:13,040
Speaker 3: want some minds in the ground so that we can

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01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:14,920
Speaker 3: be rich and we can afford heaps of farm mac

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01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:18,040
Speaker 3: drugs and if I have to give up tiny little

1622
01:18:18,040 --> 01:18:20,680
Speaker 3: bit of democracy for that, I might be able to

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01:18:20,720 --> 01:18:22,160
Speaker 3: be convinced. Six twenty one.

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Speaker 1: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

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01:18:26,040 --> 01:18:29,840
Speaker 2: The Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Allen and my HR,

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01:18:30,120 --> 01:18:32,400
Speaker 2: the HR platform for SME news.

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01:18:32,240 --> 01:18:34,600
Speaker 3: Talks'd be by the way, have been meaning to mention this.

1628
01:18:34,760 --> 01:18:39,200
Speaker 3: Jared Hayne, the former NRL star who's tried three times

1629
01:18:39,240 --> 01:18:41,600
Speaker 3: already over the alleged sexual assault of a woman, is

1630
01:18:41,640 --> 01:18:44,120
Speaker 3: now not going to face a fourth trial. This was

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01:18:44,280 --> 01:18:46,040
Speaker 3: basically up to the New South Wales Office of the

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01:18:46,040 --> 01:18:48,559
Speaker 3: Director of Public Prosecutions. They've made the decision it's not

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01:18:48,600 --> 01:18:50,640
Speaker 3: going to happen, but they're not saying why, saying it's

1634
01:18:50,720 --> 01:18:53,000
Speaker 3: legally privileged. It will not be disclosed and they will

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01:18:53,040 --> 01:18:55,960
Speaker 3: not comment any further. Twenty four past six, Jeremy Hutton

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01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:57,200
Speaker 3: Milford Asset Managements with us.

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Speaker 1: Now Hey, Jeremy Evening Heather.

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01:18:59,800 --> 01:19:02,880
Speaker 3: So Meridian Energy it hosted the old invested Day today.

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01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:04,960
Speaker 3: Looks like big growth is coming for the company, but

1640
01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:06,519
Speaker 3: not just the company, the sector as well.

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01:19:06,560 --> 01:19:11,559
Speaker 4: Ah, yeah, that's right, and an an interesting investor day yesterday,

1642
01:19:11,640 --> 01:19:14,200
Speaker 4: and yeah, you're right. These usually are a good opportunity

1643
01:19:14,240 --> 01:19:17,120
Speaker 4: for companies to show the market how they're thinking about

1644
01:19:17,160 --> 01:19:20,600
Speaker 4: things and display some of their plans and strategy for

1645
01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:24,840
Speaker 4: the next few years. And unsurprisingly, the energy transition is

1646
01:19:24,880 --> 01:19:28,599
Speaker 4: really checking up this electricity sector. A few quick numbers

1647
01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:33,160
Speaker 4: that Meridian highlighted, so New Zealand electricity demand is expected

1648
01:19:33,200 --> 01:19:36,559
Speaker 4: to grow between fifty and seventy five percent over the

1649
01:19:36,600 --> 01:19:39,640
Speaker 4: next few decades, and Meridian's already seeing some of this

1650
01:19:39,800 --> 01:19:43,599
Speaker 4: increased demand coming through in their monthly stats already. And

1651
01:19:43,640 --> 01:19:47,439
Speaker 4: also the electricity sector has to invest over thirty billion

1652
01:19:47,479 --> 01:19:50,919
Speaker 4: dollars in their estimates in new generation to meet this demand.

1653
01:19:51,400 --> 01:19:53,960
Speaker 4: So a really big challenge for the sector coming up totally.

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01:19:53,960 --> 01:19:56,200
Speaker 3: And what's Meridian's plans, how's it going to develop this?

1655
01:19:57,760 --> 01:19:59,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, it will be a challenge to meet this growth.

1656
01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:03,240
Speaker 4: And Meridian did highlight a few projects that they've got

1657
01:20:03,280 --> 01:20:04,960
Speaker 4: on the go that they want to complete in the

1658
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:08,519
Speaker 4: next five years, no mean feed. It's three wind farms,

1659
01:20:08,520 --> 01:20:12,120
Speaker 4: four solar projects and a battery project as well, and

1660
01:20:12,160 --> 01:20:14,439
Speaker 4: the costs unknown yet for a lot of this, but

1661
01:20:14,479 --> 01:20:17,200
Speaker 4: it will be in the billions for the company. But

1662
01:20:17,280 --> 01:20:21,600
Speaker 4: Meridian was clear that this was or the cost was

1663
01:20:21,640 --> 01:20:25,559
Speaker 4: an issue for the sector and itself. The cover has

1664
01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:28,120
Speaker 4: the capability and the balance sheet to meet this and

1665
01:20:28,200 --> 01:20:31,200
Speaker 4: it won't need any government support at all, and this

1666
01:20:31,280 --> 01:20:34,040
Speaker 4: is a big difference to other countries. Of course, governments

1667
01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:37,600
Speaker 4: around the world are piling billions into renewable energy investments,

1668
01:20:38,120 --> 01:20:40,800
Speaker 4: so this should keep the local New Zealand governments happy.

1669
01:20:41,840 --> 01:20:44,120
Speaker 3: Did they talk at all about gas and the problems

1670
01:20:44,160 --> 01:20:44,920
Speaker 3: we're having with gas?

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01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:46,840
Speaker 13: Jeremy, Yeah.

1672
01:20:46,920 --> 01:20:48,640
Speaker 4: Gas has got a lot of attention this year and

1673
01:20:48,680 --> 01:20:51,600
Speaker 4: they did discuss this supply is very tight in the

1674
01:20:51,640 --> 01:20:55,120
Speaker 4: gas market and this does impact electricity as gas is

1675
01:20:55,240 --> 01:20:59,680
Speaker 4: used during our peak electricity demand periods, and Meridian was

1676
01:20:59,720 --> 01:21:02,040
Speaker 4: really clear that gas was still going to be required

1677
01:21:02,120 --> 01:21:05,960
Speaker 4: as a transition fuel until twenty thirty five. There's no

1678
01:21:06,040 --> 01:21:09,280
Speaker 4: technology in their view that can replace this as of yet,

1679
01:21:10,160 --> 01:21:11,639
Speaker 4: but it sounds like there's a bit of a sector

1680
01:21:11,640 --> 01:21:13,920
Speaker 4: working group going on to try and allay some of

1681
01:21:13,960 --> 01:21:17,519
Speaker 4: these concerns. The relevant ministers have been heavenly involved as well,

1682
01:21:18,040 --> 01:21:20,880
Speaker 4: and it looks like an energy import terminal could be

1683
01:21:20,920 --> 01:21:23,840
Speaker 4: a solution. But this is quite interesting and it could

1684
01:21:23,960 --> 01:21:28,519
Speaker 4: solve a lot of our security of appliers whose especially

1685
01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:31,920
Speaker 4: during this near term transition phase. But it is a

1686
01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:33,599
Speaker 4: bit early day, so what's the space.

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01:21:33,880 --> 01:21:36,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, and look, we've been talking about the fast FasTrak

1688
01:21:36,320 --> 01:21:38,240
Speaker 3: proposal on the show just in the last twenty minutes

1689
01:21:38,360 --> 01:21:40,320
Speaker 3: or so. Did that get any discussion at all?

1690
01:21:41,040 --> 01:21:44,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, consenting and the consenting regime in New Zealand did

1691
01:21:44,360 --> 01:21:47,120
Speaker 4: get a lot of discussion. Very typical as you say,

1692
01:21:47,160 --> 01:21:49,760
Speaker 4: with our topical as you say, with the fast track

1693
01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:54,240
Speaker 4: proposal by the government. Rudin was also very clear that

1694
01:21:54,280 --> 01:21:56,599
Speaker 4: the regime is just far too complex at the moment

1695
01:21:57,240 --> 01:22:01,080
Speaker 4: and it effectively requires unanimous approval, which, let's face it

1696
01:22:01,120 --> 01:22:05,840
Speaker 4: is really impossible in today's age. And these delays to

1697
01:22:05,960 --> 01:22:09,200
Speaker 4: projects are really adding to a massive costs. You know,

1698
01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:12,439
Speaker 4: it's extending these projects by a couple of years in

1699
01:22:12,479 --> 01:22:17,080
Speaker 4: some instances, and with electricity as well, stopping developers trying

1700
01:22:17,120 --> 01:22:21,960
Speaker 4: to build more generations to meet this electricity demand. And

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01:22:22,040 --> 01:22:24,880
Speaker 4: quite simply, if it is an address, then electricity costs

1702
01:22:24,880 --> 01:22:27,120
Speaker 4: will continue to increase in the interim period.

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01:22:27,240 --> 01:22:29,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jeremy, thank you for talking us through to appreciate it. Mate,

1704
01:22:29,439 --> 01:22:33,720
Speaker 3: that's Jeremy Hautton, Molfit asset management. Heather does bens it

1705
01:22:33,840 --> 01:22:36,639
Speaker 3: provide banking for gang members and convicted pedophiles. Rich. It's

1706
01:22:36,800 --> 01:22:39,840
Speaker 3: such a good point, right, if we're going to start

1707
01:22:39,920 --> 01:22:42,519
Speaker 3: picking ho we don't want to do business with when

1708
01:22:42,560 --> 01:22:45,040
Speaker 3: we're a bank, I mean, you cannot live nowadays. You

1709
01:22:45,080 --> 01:22:47,200
Speaker 3: can't have a job if you haven't got a bank account.

1710
01:22:47,280 --> 01:22:49,639
Speaker 3: So if we're going to start basically stuffing up people's

1711
01:22:49,680 --> 01:22:51,320
Speaker 3: lives like I mean, I don't I'm no fan of

1712
01:22:51,400 --> 01:22:54,360
Speaker 3: Gloria Vale. I despise what they're doing. But if you

1713
01:22:54,360 --> 01:22:55,880
Speaker 3: don't want to bank with Glory, you don't want to

1714
01:22:55,880 --> 01:23:00,920
Speaker 3: bank Gloria Vale better not be banking any anybody rulting

1715
01:23:00,920 --> 01:23:06,080
Speaker 3: the welfare system, any gang members, any pedos like nobody

1716
01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:08,559
Speaker 3: like that. None of those people should be on the books. Otherwise,

1717
01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:09,880
Speaker 3: why are you all of a sudden drawing the line

1718
01:23:09,880 --> 01:23:12,559
Speaker 3: with worth glory of owe Such an excellent point anyway.

1719
01:23:12,600 --> 01:23:14,400
Speaker 3: Next up, let's have a chat to two degrees about

1720
01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:17,720
Speaker 3: the optimism.

1721
01:23:16,840 --> 01:23:20,360
Speaker 2: Crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's Heather duplicy

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01:23:20,479 --> 01:23:23,840
Speaker 2: Ellen with the business hours thanks to my HR, the

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Speaker 2: HR platform for SME on us talksb.

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Speaker 1: But you've bound that.

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Speaker 3: Gavin Gray is going to be with us shortly. They

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Speaker 3: had I don't know if you were aware of it,

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01:23:40,880 --> 01:23:42,519
Speaker 3: but you remember they had that scheme in London where

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Speaker 3: they had to remove the most polluting vehicles from the

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01:23:44,800 --> 01:23:48,559
Speaker 3: streets and they were going to replace them by electric equivalents. Well,

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01:23:48,960 --> 01:23:51,200
Speaker 3: they scraped a whole bunch of vans. Only two percent

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01:23:51,240 --> 01:23:54,559
Speaker 3: of them actually was replaced by electric equivalents, so that

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Speaker 3: didn't go very well. He's going to talk us through

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Speaker 3: that when he's with us in around about ten minutes time.

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Speaker 3: A couple of things to get you across. So this

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01:24:00,160 --> 01:24:02,759
Speaker 3: has all got to do with public money, more cuts

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Speaker 3: in the public sector. So Autoing Atamitiki has confirmed they

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01:24:05,479 --> 01:24:07,799
Speaker 3: will be reducing the work size there by four hundred

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01:24:07,800 --> 01:24:09,960
Speaker 3: and twenty rolls four hundred and nineteen to be exact.

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01:24:10,439 --> 01:24:13,120
Speaker 3: ACC is getting rid of three hundred and sixty six

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Speaker 3: roles and the Ministry of Social Development will cut Development

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01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:18,479
Speaker 3: will cut eighty six more jobs. That brings the total

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01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:21,360
Speaker 3: number of jobs acted acts at MSD to seven hundred.

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01:24:22,040 --> 01:24:23,840
Speaker 3: This is good. We're headed in the right direction. I

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01:24:23,840 --> 01:24:25,759
Speaker 3: think we're somewhere near like six and a half thousand

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Speaker 3: or something, aiming for about seventeen I think at this

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Speaker 3: stage in my head and David Seymour's anyway, TVMZ the

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01:24:33,080 --> 01:24:36,960
Speaker 3: old employment stuff up is costing TV and Z big time.

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Speaker 3: So it turns out that they have so far spent

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Speaker 3: two hundred and seventy five thousand dollars on external legal costs,

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01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:46,599
Speaker 3: never mind the legal costs internally generated. That's just getting

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01:24:46,600 --> 01:24:48,280
Speaker 3: the big guys in with the k's and the c's

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01:24:48,320 --> 01:24:50,320
Speaker 3: after their name. So two hundred and seventy five thousand

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01:24:50,320 --> 01:24:53,800
Speaker 3: dollars that you can add to the existing labor bill

1754
01:24:53,840 --> 01:24:55,800
Speaker 3: that they tried to get rid of the staff that

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Speaker 3: they fired from the news programs and from Sunday and

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Speaker 3: Fair Go and so on, who then when remained on

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Speaker 3: the payroll because they stuffed up the process so badly,

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Speaker 3: or may even still remain on the payroll. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Was costing seven hundred dollars a day or one hundred

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01:25:10,240 --> 01:25:12,720
Speaker 3: and seventy thousand dollars a month. They were trying to

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01:25:12,720 --> 01:25:15,799
Speaker 3: save ten million dollars in staff costs. They probably saved,

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01:25:15,840 --> 01:25:20,479
Speaker 3: like absolutely, absolutely ninety nine percent of that, but they

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01:25:20,479 --> 01:25:22,880
Speaker 3: have now spent so much money on just trying to

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Speaker 3: deal with a staff who that I don't know how

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01:25:26,640 --> 01:25:27,960
Speaker 3: they're going to get that back. Do they fire more

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Speaker 3: people to be able to cover that? Twenty two away

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01:25:30,160 --> 01:25:33,519
Speaker 3: from seven Heather other rising level of optimism In the

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Speaker 3: survey that's just been done by two Degrees, they took

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Speaker 3: to over seven hundred businesses. They found thirty four percent

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Speaker 3: of businesses are feeling optimistic. That's up from only thirty

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Speaker 3: two percent last year. Fifty three percent of businesses now

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Speaker 3: expect revenue to grow in the next year. That's up

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Speaker 3: from fifty percent last year. Andrew Fairgray is the chief

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Speaker 3: business officer at two degrees. Hi Andrew thy Heather, how

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Speaker 3: are you. I'm well, thank you. Did this surprise you?

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Speaker 3: That there are more businesses feeling optimistic than last year?

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Speaker 18: Was a very pleasant surprise. I think we should look

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01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:05,920
Speaker 18: at it as marginally improved. When I looked at it

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Speaker 18: and reflected on what might be driving this. We've had

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Speaker 18: a change of government and we've obviously got very resilient

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Speaker 18: businesses that are looking for some positivity to move forward.

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Speaker 3: What is going on here? How do we explain it

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01:26:20,560 --> 01:26:23,400
Speaker 3: apart from obviously a change of government andrew, which is

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01:26:23,400 --> 01:26:27,519
Speaker 3: fair enough, right, just that's marginal stuff. Are they seeing

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Speaker 3: any green shoots?

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Speaker 18: I think we are starting to see some green shirts.

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Speaker 18: We're starting to see more businesses seeing the benefit of

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Speaker 18: using digital technology to support their businesses. We're seeing the

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Speaker 18: global environment is starting to improve. Hopefully people are starting

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Speaker 18: to realize there is an opportunity to move forward. Undoubtedly

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Speaker 18: the cross pressures are still there for all businesses, but

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01:26:50,880 --> 01:26:53,720
Speaker 18: relative to we can put our heads down or we

1793
01:26:53,760 --> 01:26:56,080
Speaker 18: can look up and leverage all the assets that we

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01:26:56,120 --> 01:26:58,639
Speaker 18: do have to move forward. And we often talk about

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Speaker 18: the benefits that need and can have for their businesses

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Speaker 18: as the witless economy and all the great things that

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01:27:04,439 --> 01:27:06,519
Speaker 18: can be done. Ex have to look at what Rocket

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Speaker 18: Lab they've done with fifty launches. It's just phenomenal what

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Speaker 18: they've been doing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and then how do we explain the businesses reporting

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01:27:12,400 --> 01:27:16,200
Speaker 3: their anticipating Like the increase in businesses reporting their anticipating

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01:27:16,240 --> 01:27:19,040
Speaker 3: revenue growth, is that because they think we are through

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01:27:19,080 --> 01:27:21,040
Speaker 3: the worst of it when it comes to inflation and

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01:27:21,080 --> 01:27:22,120
Speaker 3: interest rates and so on.

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Speaker 18: That's what I'm hoping, and they are also saying opportunity.

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01:27:26,880 --> 01:27:30,040
Speaker 18: It's been a long COVID hangover, and now with a

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01:27:30,120 --> 01:27:32,599
Speaker 18: change of government, I really think they're starting to think

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01:27:32,600 --> 01:27:35,360
Speaker 18: there's going to be some opportunities to move forward. This

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01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:38,160
Speaker 18: was taken in April, so I'm hoping that this will

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01:27:38,160 --> 01:27:40,880
Speaker 18: transpire now for next year because it's the fifth year

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01:27:40,880 --> 01:27:43,440
Speaker 18: we've been running the survey, so it's a good opportunity

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01:27:43,479 --> 01:27:45,479
Speaker 18: for us to get some real data to say this

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01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:48,040
Speaker 18: isn't a one off, this is actually a real movement

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Speaker 18: and hopefully it's pointing in the right direction with some

1815
01:27:50,280 --> 01:27:50,880
Speaker 18: green shoots.

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01:27:51,200 --> 01:27:53,439
Speaker 3: Are you seeing green shoots in your business?

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01:27:55,080 --> 01:27:57,800
Speaker 18: We're starting to see more and more businesses wanting to

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01:27:57,880 --> 01:28:01,880
Speaker 18: leverage the technology that we offer. So therefore, as a

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01:28:01,920 --> 01:28:04,719
Speaker 18: player that's very proud of a value in the market

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01:28:04,800 --> 01:28:08,360
Speaker 18: and really been clear of what we're doing, the new

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Speaker 18: scale that we had since we merged in twenty twenty

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Speaker 18: two with Focus, we're starting to see some real positivity

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Speaker 18: there as well.

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Speaker 3: Are you struggling still with employment? Is it hard to

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Speaker 3: find people who have the right skills.

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Speaker 18: That's something that came out in the survey, Heather that

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Speaker 18: people with technology skills that's really really hard to find.

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Speaker 18: I'm putting it down to probably those people who held

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01:28:31,479 --> 01:28:35,040
Speaker 18: back taking their overseas experience are now going overseas and

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01:28:35,120 --> 01:28:38,000
Speaker 18: we quite haven't got the immigration settings or the environment

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Speaker 18: right to track the right level skills that we need

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Speaker 18: to support businesses through this technology change.

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Speaker 3: How do we deal with that? How do we fix that?

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Speaker 18: I think we need to have a whole look at

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Speaker 18: the education system. How are we supporting people from primary

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Speaker 18: school to secondary school into tertiary organizations and what does

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Speaker 18: that look like. How do we give people clear pathways

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Speaker 18: so they know very early on to do How do

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01:29:01,160 --> 01:29:05,040
Speaker 18: we work better with tertiary educations and tertiary educations were

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Speaker 18: better with the commercial sector to drive outcomes. We partner

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01:29:08,720 --> 01:29:11,599
Speaker 18: with the Chamber of Commerces throughout New Zealand to look

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Speaker 18: at leveraging their tools and library of resources that they have.

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Speaker 18: So it's really just about how can we keep educating

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Speaker 18: each other to move forward.

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Speaker 3: Mark, if you were you one of the businesses that

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Speaker 3: actually participated in.

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Speaker 13: The survey, no everyone.

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Speaker 3: If you were, would you have said more optimistic or

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Speaker 3: less optimistic?

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Speaker 18: I would have said more optimistic, but I'm that type

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Speaker 18: of person.

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Speaker 4: I think we have great.

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Speaker 18: Assets in New Zealand. It's about getting things right and

1854
01:29:40,240 --> 01:29:44,439
Speaker 18: focusing on what matters and everyone doing their bit and

1855
01:29:44,439 --> 01:29:47,080
Speaker 18: looking to move forward. We can't change the past, but

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Speaker 18: we can definitely create the future.

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Speaker 3: Good stuff. Andrew listen, thank you so much. Really appreciated

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Speaker 3: Andrew Fairgray, the chief business officer at two degrees. Somebody's

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01:29:54,560 --> 01:29:56,360
Speaker 3: alerted us on the text machine and thank you who

1860
01:29:56,479 --> 01:29:58,240
Speaker 3: was it? I don't even know. Thank you for that.

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Speaker 3: The TV and Z there's a follow up to it,

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Speaker 3: so we have had a quick look at it. So

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Speaker 3: this is the approval ratings of Chris Luxin versus Chris Hopkins,

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Speaker 3: and Chris Hopkins beats Chris Luxon on approval ratings. Approval

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Speaker 3: ratings are calculated by taking how many people like you

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01:30:15,160 --> 01:30:17,880
Speaker 3: and then how many people don't like you, and then

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01:30:17,920 --> 01:30:20,439
Speaker 3: minusing one from the other. If you're in the positive,

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01:30:20,479 --> 01:30:22,280
Speaker 3: you're okay. If you're in the negative, you're in the trouble.

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Speaker 3: And Luxein's in the negative. So Chris Luxin's approval forty percent,

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01:30:26,240 --> 01:30:28,720
Speaker 3: but the disapproval more people dislike him and like him

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01:30:28,760 --> 01:30:32,280
Speaker 3: forty five percent, so he's in the negative five, negative five.

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01:30:33,080 --> 01:30:37,519
Speaker 3: Chris Hopkins forty seven approve forty three disapprove. More people

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01:30:37,600 --> 01:30:40,240
Speaker 3: like him than dislike him. Therefore he's got an approval rating. Well,

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Speaker 3: it says here thirteen, but I reckon forty seven minus

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01:30:43,720 --> 01:30:47,479
Speaker 3: forty three is actually only four anyway, So this is

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Speaker 3: the interesting thing though Mikey Sherman's comments about Chris Luxon's attitude.

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Speaker 7: Despite well over a decade in politics, Chris Hopkins at

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01:30:55,800 --> 01:30:58,200
Speaker 7: times struggles to engage voters.

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Speaker 3: Christopher Luxen, meanwhile, ruggles to keep his cool.

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Speaker 9: Well, I've just I've tried to explain it to you.

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Speaker 22: Do you think that's the most sensible question.

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01:31:05,920 --> 01:31:08,080
Speaker 1: To be asked? No, I think it's a bad question,

1883
01:31:08,160 --> 01:31:08,559
Speaker 1: to be honest.

1884
01:31:08,800 --> 01:31:11,439
Speaker 12: He seems to get quickly frustrated with the media.

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01:31:11,600 --> 01:31:15,639
Speaker 1: Have you noticed that. Look, the media can be challenging.

1886
01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:18,200
Speaker 3: That's Tim vander Mullan at the end. So the question

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01:31:18,240 --> 01:31:20,240
Speaker 3: of course that arises from that, is he right to

1888
01:31:20,240 --> 01:31:22,840
Speaker 3: get pissy at the media. Well, of course he is.

1889
01:31:23,120 --> 01:31:25,519
Speaker 3: Why wouldn't he be. The media have been hostile to

1890
01:31:25,600 --> 01:31:27,559
Speaker 3: him since the bloody minute that he arrived. I mean, look,

1891
01:31:27,560 --> 01:31:34,280
Speaker 3: he's not like Chris Luckson. Is no superstar. He's no Jisinder.

1892
01:31:34,400 --> 01:31:36,240
Speaker 3: I had to say it. I had to. He's no

1893
01:31:36,360 --> 01:31:38,600
Speaker 3: Justinder at the height of her popularity. He is no

1894
01:31:38,720 --> 01:31:41,559
Speaker 3: John Key, he's no David Longi. He's no Helen Clark. Right,

1895
01:31:41,600 --> 01:31:46,840
Speaker 3: he's just He's just pretty. He's ordinary. But they have

1896
01:31:46,920 --> 01:31:49,840
Speaker 3: been unreasonably hostile towards him in the press gallery. So

1897
01:31:50,080 --> 01:31:51,600
Speaker 3: is he right to get pissy? Well, he's got one

1898
01:31:51,640 --> 01:31:53,880
Speaker 3: of two options, right. He can either he can just

1899
01:31:53,920 --> 01:31:56,160
Speaker 3: take it and let him let them sort of like

1900
01:31:56,280 --> 01:31:59,280
Speaker 3: bully him, which nobody likes. A week leader is not

1901
01:31:59,360 --> 01:32:02,000
Speaker 3: a good idea. Or he can push back. Now he's

1902
01:32:02,000 --> 01:32:04,160
Speaker 3: pushing back, and I think it's fine. He needs to

1903
01:32:04,160 --> 01:32:07,120
Speaker 3: be careful that it doesn't lapse into defensiveness, because defensiveness

1904
01:32:07,160 --> 01:32:09,720
Speaker 3: doesn't look good and people don't like that. But in fact,

1905
01:32:09,760 --> 01:32:11,200
Speaker 3: if I was here, might probably ramp it up a

1906
01:32:11,240 --> 01:32:13,080
Speaker 3: wee bit and start getting real snarky with them. Do

1907
01:32:13,120 --> 01:32:15,240
Speaker 3: the old Donald Trump go right over the top of him?

1908
01:32:15,320 --> 01:32:16,920
Speaker 3: Work for Trumpy? I mean Trump, He had a lot

1909
01:32:16,920 --> 01:32:19,479
Speaker 3: of things that he was dealing with, but no, I

1910
01:32:19,520 --> 01:32:23,479
Speaker 3: don't mind. And also the press gallery complaining that Luxon's

1911
01:32:23,479 --> 01:32:26,400
Speaker 3: getting a bit snipy. Well, who's going to feel sorry

1912
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Speaker 3: for them?

1913
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Speaker 2: Quarter two, whether it's macro micro or just plain economics.

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Speaker 2: It's all on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Ellen

1915
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Speaker 2: and my HR, the HR platform for SME used to.

1916
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Speaker 3: Talk sib Kevin Grays, our UK correspondent, evening to you, Gavin,

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Speaker 3: Hi there. This betting thing is getting out of hand,

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Speaker 3: isn't it.

1919
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Speaker 13: It sure is.

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Speaker 27: I feel left out. I think I'm the only person

1921
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Speaker 27: that didn't put it back on the date of the

1922
01:32:51,240 --> 01:32:54,520
Speaker 27: general action. Of course, nothing wrong in doing that, except

1923
01:32:54,720 --> 01:32:57,160
Speaker 27: if you knew that the date was going to be

1924
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Speaker 27: the fourth of July next week prior to it being announced,

1925
01:33:00,120 --> 01:33:03,559
Speaker 27: because that, of course is effectively insider trading. And now

1926
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Speaker 27: there are allegations that up to fifteen of Rishi Sunak's

1927
01:33:08,320 --> 01:33:12,960
Speaker 27: own candidates did have a bet. Now we don't know

1928
01:33:13,280 --> 01:33:17,360
Speaker 27: that that is definitely the case, but some reports are

1929
01:33:17,400 --> 01:33:19,479
Speaker 27: coming out it could be up to fifteen. What we

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Speaker 27: do know is that five members of the Conservative Party,

1931
01:33:23,360 --> 01:33:27,759
Speaker 27: the party of government, are being looked at over betting allegations,

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Speaker 27: including a former close aide to Rishi Sunak and another

1933
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Speaker 27: one of the candidates they're being interviewed, we believe this

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Speaker 27: week by the betting commission or the gambling commissioners. It's

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Speaker 27: called over here, and we do think there's going to

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Speaker 27: be a meeting later on in the week as well.

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Speaker 27: Regarding one of Rishi Sunak's close protection security officers, one

1938
01:33:49,200 --> 01:33:52,000
Speaker 27: of the police officers. He was arrested last week and

1939
01:33:52,080 --> 01:33:56,320
Speaker 27: placed on restrictive duties over allegations of election betting as well.

1940
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Speaker 27: Now some of the candidates have finally been suspended by

1941
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Speaker 27: the Conservative That means if they do win the seat,

1942
01:34:02,600 --> 01:34:05,120
Speaker 27: because it's incidentally it's too late to take them off

1943
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Speaker 27: the card for voting. If they do win, then they'll

1944
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Speaker 27: have to stand as an independent. What we don't know

1945
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Speaker 27: is if they're then cleared, will the Conservatives welcome them

1946
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Speaker 27: back or not. But Rishie Soonak accused of indecision, accused

1947
01:34:17,960 --> 01:34:20,680
Speaker 27: of waiting too late to do this. But Labor, the

1948
01:34:20,760 --> 01:34:24,000
Speaker 27: main party of opposition, not immune either. One of its

1949
01:34:24,040 --> 01:34:29,200
Speaker 27: candidates actually bet against himself saying he wouldn't win his

1950
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Speaker 27: own seat, and he has been suspended by the Labor Party.

1951
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Speaker 27: You really couldn't make this stuff up.

1952
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Speaker 3: Oh you could have known. It's so mad anyway, listen,

1953
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Speaker 3: is there a problem. Do you think that the junior strike,

1954
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Speaker 3: the junior doctor strike is going to coincide with the

1955
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Speaker 3: hottest week of the year.

1956
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

1957
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Speaker 27: I mean, so far our early summer and spring has

1958
01:34:48,040 --> 01:34:50,559
Speaker 27: not been good. But this week we really have hit

1959
01:34:50,640 --> 01:34:53,920
Speaker 27: the jackpot in terms of temperatures. It was very very

1960
01:34:53,960 --> 01:34:57,280
Speaker 27: warm when I spoke to you on Monday in London.

1961
01:34:57,880 --> 01:35:02,760
Speaker 27: Today London could hit thirty celsius and that's always warm

1962
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Speaker 27: in a city when there's very very little breeze, and

1963
01:35:05,360 --> 01:35:08,280
Speaker 27: that always adds pressure to the National Health Service here

1964
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Speaker 27: and hospital units. Now add to the fact that tomorrow

1965
01:35:13,040 --> 01:35:16,920
Speaker 27: junior doctors, which represent the majority of doctors really in

1966
01:35:16,960 --> 01:35:20,519
Speaker 27: the UK on the front line, are going on strike again,

1967
01:35:20,720 --> 01:35:24,840
Speaker 27: a five day walkout in the eleventh time they've done

1968
01:35:24,880 --> 01:35:27,880
Speaker 27: a walkout in this long running pay dispute. They want

1969
01:35:27,880 --> 01:35:31,439
Speaker 27: a pay rise of thirty percent. Yep, they want they

1970
01:35:31,479 --> 01:35:34,240
Speaker 27: believe that's what they're entitled to, and they've said that

1971
01:35:34,280 --> 01:35:37,679
Speaker 27: their pay has been undervalued over recent years. The governments said,

1972
01:35:37,760 --> 01:35:40,240
Speaker 27: no way that's happening. And of course this has been

1973
01:35:40,280 --> 01:35:45,640
Speaker 27: deliberately time this eleventh walkout for the days leading up

1974
01:35:45,680 --> 01:35:48,400
Speaker 27: to the election, which of course is just eight days

1975
01:35:48,479 --> 01:35:51,200
Speaker 27: away now, so yeah, I think hospital boss is very

1976
01:35:51,240 --> 01:35:55,000
Speaker 27: worried about those that turn up and present themselves in accident,

1977
01:35:55,040 --> 01:35:56,799
Speaker 27: emergency or urgent care centers.

1978
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Speaker 3: Kevin very quickly just explain something to me. Okay. So

1979
01:35:59,080 --> 01:36:01,160
Speaker 3: it was the scheme in LA where if you had

1980
01:36:01,160 --> 01:36:03,679
Speaker 3: a polluting vehicle you could get the scrappage grant get

1981
01:36:03,720 --> 01:36:05,280
Speaker 3: rid of the vehicle and then you could buy yourself

1982
01:36:05,280 --> 01:36:07,839
Speaker 3: on an electric van. But only two percent of vans

1983
01:36:07,960 --> 01:36:10,880
Speaker 3: were replaced with electric equivalents. What did everybody else do

1984
01:36:10,920 --> 01:36:11,439
Speaker 3: with the money?

1985
01:36:12,520 --> 01:36:16,000
Speaker 27: Probably keep it And therefore one suspects that the scheme

1986
01:36:16,040 --> 01:36:19,000
Speaker 27: has been a bit of a disaster. Not according of course,

1987
01:36:19,040 --> 01:36:22,920
Speaker 27: to our mayor for London. He has said, well, you

1988
01:36:23,000 --> 01:36:25,639
Speaker 27: never had to go and spend the money on another vehicle.

1989
01:36:25,840 --> 01:36:28,160
Speaker 27: We were just trying to take the most polluting vehicles

1990
01:36:28,160 --> 01:36:30,200
Speaker 27: off the streets and he said that's what the scheme

1991
01:36:30,240 --> 01:36:33,040
Speaker 27: has done. But it's cost many, many millions of pounds

1992
01:36:33,080 --> 01:36:35,280
Speaker 27: and the idea of people might have pocketed it. Well,

1993
01:36:35,439 --> 01:36:38,200
Speaker 27: good intentions, bad result, Yeah, totally.

1994
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Speaker 3: Just free money, I Gevin, thank you so much. Devin

1995
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Speaker 3: Gray are UK correspondent ate away from seven Whether.

1996
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Speaker 1: It's macro micro or just plain economics.

1997
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Speaker 2: It's all on the Business Hour with Hither Duplicy Ellen

1998
01:36:49,560 --> 01:36:53,320
Speaker 2: and my HR, the HR platform for sme us talks.

1999
01:36:53,320 --> 01:36:57,200
Speaker 3: It'd be five away from seven Darcy. Darcy did what

2000
01:36:57,240 --> 01:36:58,639
Speaker 3: he said he was going to do, and he did

2001
01:36:58,680 --> 01:37:01,360
Speaker 3: some research on that surf that is going to be

2002
01:37:01,400 --> 01:37:03,479
Speaker 3: built in Auckland a dairy flat. He's got the details

2003
01:37:03,479 --> 01:37:05,200
Speaker 3: for this is how it's going to work again. So

2004
01:37:05,240 --> 01:37:08,240
Speaker 3: they're going to have a right hand break and they're

2005
01:37:08,280 --> 01:37:10,679
Speaker 3: going to have a left hand break. And he said

2006
01:37:10,680 --> 01:37:12,240
Speaker 3: there's going to be like a boom in the middle

2007
01:37:12,320 --> 01:37:14,800
Speaker 3: or something, which suggests me I didn't really ask him

2008
01:37:14,800 --> 01:37:16,600
Speaker 3: what he meant by that, but maybe that means that

2009
01:37:16,680 --> 01:37:18,080
Speaker 3: you're going to be in the right hand break or

2010
01:37:18,120 --> 01:37:19,240
Speaker 3: the left hand break, and you're not going to be

2011
01:37:19,240 --> 01:37:21,439
Speaker 3: able to cross over and go and surf on the

2012
01:37:21,439 --> 01:37:24,000
Speaker 3: other side. He said, what they're going to be doing

2013
01:37:24,560 --> 01:37:27,240
Speaker 3: is they going they will be able to like ramp

2014
01:37:27,320 --> 01:37:29,599
Speaker 3: up the intensity of the waves and ramp it down

2015
01:37:29,960 --> 01:37:32,639
Speaker 3: depending on sort of what the vibe is. So every

2016
01:37:32,680 --> 01:37:35,280
Speaker 3: hour they will change what they're doing out there. They're

2017
01:37:35,280 --> 01:37:37,320
Speaker 3: going to be able to make barrels and all of

2018
01:37:37,360 --> 01:37:39,000
Speaker 3: that stuff. Right, so you'll be able to sort of

2019
01:37:39,080 --> 01:37:41,640
Speaker 3: like go to the schedule. You'll be able to look

2020
01:37:41,680 --> 01:37:43,719
Speaker 3: online and go, I feel like riding a barrel today.

2021
01:37:44,120 --> 01:37:46,120
Speaker 3: Oh yep, we're doing barrels between ten and eleven, and

2022
01:37:46,120 --> 01:37:48,559
Speaker 3: then you can book and go go ride barrels or

2023
01:37:48,560 --> 01:37:50,759
Speaker 3: they do like crazy high surf for just like normal

2024
01:37:50,800 --> 01:37:53,200
Speaker 3: surf and stuff. But even when they're doing the really

2025
01:37:53,200 --> 01:37:57,320
Speaker 3: super intense stuff. Obviously, the further away that you are

2026
01:37:57,360 --> 01:37:59,719
Speaker 3: from the break and the closer you are to the shore,

2027
01:37:59,880 --> 01:38:02,479
Speaker 3: the bay or whatever it is, it's going to be

2028
01:38:02,960 --> 01:38:05,000
Speaker 3: you know, that's where I'm going to be, and I'm

2029
01:38:05,040 --> 01:38:07,080
Speaker 3: going to be there in the gentle staff because I

2030
01:38:07,080 --> 01:38:08,680
Speaker 3: don't know what I'm doing if I'm doing the other

2031
01:38:08,680 --> 01:38:11,200
Speaker 3: stuff other than hurting myself and trying to impale myself

2032
01:38:11,200 --> 01:38:16,080
Speaker 3: with a thin Also, they will have six hundred waves

2033
01:38:16,080 --> 01:38:18,559
Speaker 3: an hour, so it is not going to be he

2034
01:38:18,640 --> 01:38:21,320
Speaker 3: thought it was sixty waves an hour, like one every minute.

2035
01:38:21,479 --> 01:38:24,600
Speaker 3: Oh no, it's going to be one every like whatever

2036
01:38:25,040 --> 01:38:28,120
Speaker 3: six seconds or something like that. And at any one

2037
01:38:28,120 --> 01:38:30,040
Speaker 3: time you're going to be able to have one hundred

2038
01:38:30,080 --> 01:38:33,559
Speaker 3: to two nine ninety to one hundred surfers in there

2039
01:38:34,120 --> 01:38:36,640
Speaker 3: and it's going to be all day long. So if

2040
01:38:36,680 --> 01:38:38,599
Speaker 3: you want to go for a surf after work at

2041
01:38:38,640 --> 01:38:41,960
Speaker 3: ten o'clock at night, how good is that? Jeez? I

2042
01:38:41,960 --> 01:38:43,840
Speaker 3: mean we're going to lift our surfing game in this

2043
01:38:43,880 --> 01:38:47,000
Speaker 3: country big time. No, no, no, in the city of Auckland,

2044
01:38:47,080 --> 01:38:49,480
Speaker 3: big time. And frankly we need to don't we ads.

2045
01:38:49,320 --> 01:38:51,120
Speaker 9: Surf and Safari by the beach Boys to play?

2046
01:38:51,240 --> 01:38:52,200
Speaker 1: Sound good? Yeah?

2047
01:38:52,200 --> 01:38:53,639
Speaker 9: I was going to say, sounds good to me. Here

2048
01:38:53,640 --> 01:38:54,840
Speaker 9: the Cowabungle, let's do it.

2049
01:38:54,840 --> 01:38:55,680
Speaker 3: I think I'll be in the.

2050
01:38:56,080 --> 01:38:58,559
Speaker 9: I'll be in the Baby's first wave section with you.

2051
01:38:58,600 --> 01:38:58,760
Speaker 4: Though.

2052
01:38:58,800 --> 01:39:01,000
Speaker 3: To be fair, I never could get.

2053
01:39:00,840 --> 01:39:02,519
Speaker 9: The hang of just getting up onto the board like

2054
01:39:02,520 --> 01:39:02,720
Speaker 9: I was.

2055
01:39:02,800 --> 01:39:03,920
Speaker 13: It was all good to ride the way, but as

2056
01:39:03,960 --> 01:39:05,439
Speaker 13: soon as I started climbing up on top of the

2057
01:39:05,439 --> 01:39:06,439
Speaker 13: board to stand up.

2058
01:39:06,320 --> 01:39:08,360
Speaker 3: And you're doing it on your tummy.

2059
01:39:08,280 --> 01:39:11,360
Speaker 9: Yeah, well yeah probably, I mean at least.

2060
01:39:11,160 --> 01:39:13,559
Speaker 3: You started like lots of people can't even do that answer.

2061
01:39:13,560 --> 01:39:16,120
Speaker 3: It's actually quite hard. Okay, here you go, enjoy your tune,

2062
01:39:16,120 --> 01:39:22,479
Speaker 3: see you tomorrow. He still, so they're kicking out. Do

2063
01:39:22,720 --> 01:39:25,120
Speaker 3: you need to know your servants?

2064
01:39:25,800 --> 01:39:26,639
Speaker 23: Skin figure?

2065
01:39:26,720 --> 01:39:27,200
Speaker 5: Every day?

2066
01:39:27,800 --> 01:39:28,120
Speaker 1: Quiet?

2067
01:39:43,280 --> 01:39:45,920
Speaker 22: Let's go surfing now, everybody's learning.

2068
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Speaker 1: How come with me.

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