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Speaker 1: Well, it sounds like Jerry Brownlee doesn't think that the

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Speaker 1: or rather thinks that the Marty Party punishment is too harsh.

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Speaker 1: He started our parliament today with a speaker's ruling and

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Speaker 1: he dropped some pretty strong hints that he thinks that

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Speaker 1: twenty one days without pay for Debbie and rawri over

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Speaker 1: that Hucker is too much. He called the punishment very

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Speaker 1: severe and unprecedented because up to now the harshest punishment

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Speaker 1: has been three days, not twenty one days. He pointed

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Speaker 1: out that the punishment was only carried by a narrow

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Speaker 1: majority on the Privileges Committee, that going through with the

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Speaker 1: punishment as it stands will deprive the Maori Party of

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Speaker 1: their ability to vote in the House for several sitting days,

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Speaker 1: and that Parliament does not have to go through with it.

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Speaker 1: He told them that you don't have to go through

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Speaker 1: with it. Parliament can change the punishment. Now. Can't say

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Speaker 1: I agree with him on this for one simple reason,

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Speaker 1: and that is deterrence. Whatever the punishment is going to

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Speaker 1: end up being, it has to be harsh enough to

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Speaker 1: stop the Marty Party doing this again, or at least

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Speaker 1: try to stop them doing this again, because this is

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Speaker 1: a strategy from this from them. We need to see

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Speaker 1: this stuff for what it is. Right. This isn't like

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Speaker 1: Julie an Jenta losing her rag in Parliament in the

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Speaker 1: heat of the moment, apologizing and then ending up with

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Speaker 1: just a censure and perhaps never doing it again. The

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Speaker 1: Maori Party break the rules deliberately. This is their strategy,

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Speaker 1: so you can assume that they will keep on doing it.

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Speaker 1: And the reason they keep on doing it is because

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Speaker 1: it gets some attention. Attention for wearing sneakers in the house,

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Speaker 1: Attention for wearing a cowboy hat in the house, attention

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Speaker 1: for doing a hukker in the house, attention for not

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Speaker 1: turning up to the Privileges Committee, attention for leaking the

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Speaker 1: recommendations of the Privileges Committee, and the list just goes on.

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Speaker 1: This isn't about they say, this is about teacung. It's

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Speaker 1: not about tea hunger. Sneakers are not tea hunger. This

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Speaker 1: is about breaking rules for attention. It's a pr strategy. Now,

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Speaker 1: three days without pay is not going to deter them.

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Speaker 1: To be honest, I don't even know that twenty one

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Speaker 1: days without pay will deter them, but it surely has

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Speaker 1: a better chance of doing it. And for the record,

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Speaker 1: twenty one days suspension is not that wild in the UK,

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Speaker 1: where our parliament derives from. Just in the last two years,

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Speaker 1: threeps in the UK have copped suspensions of thirty days

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Speaker 1: or more. In twenty nineteen, one guy was suspended for

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Speaker 1: six months. Now. I don't know that we will ever

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Speaker 1: get order back into Parliament the way things have gone

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Speaker 1: in the last few months, but if we don't try,

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Speaker 1: we definitely won't and so twenty one days in that

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Speaker 1: context doesn't seem overly harsh. For more from Heather Duplessy

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