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Speaker 2: Hello you Great New Zealand, and welcome to Matt and

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Speaker 2: Tyler Full Show, Podcast number one, five eight for Thursday,

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Speaker 2: the tenth of July twenty twenty five. We didn't get

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Speaker 2: to the gold Ruse chat. No, we didn't get to

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Speaker 2: the steamed allegedly and hassling people at a restaurant on

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Speaker 2: K Road and then going home the perils of bottomless

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Speaker 2: brunch allegedly esteemed and then posting mean comments about the place.

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Speaker 2: We didn't get round to that. Probably we went deep

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Speaker 2: into Uber drivers, had some great chats. There are really

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Speaker 2: really interesting insights into how they feel about it. It's

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Speaker 2: probably not the way you think they feel about this

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Speaker 2: Supreme Court case that's going on around whether they should

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Speaker 2: be employees instead of the gig economy that they're running

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Speaker 2: right now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and one of your Uber drivers actually taxed through

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Speaker 3: and whether he was positive or negative about Matt Heath,

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Speaker 3: you would just have to listen.

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Speaker 2: There was an accusation from an uber driver that had

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Speaker 2: driven me, and then we just went deep into Rainbow

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Speaker 2: Warrior chat and I gotta say I love being on

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Speaker 2: ZB because it's got such a wide reach, such a

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Speaker 2: huge audience, especially our show Yep that so many people

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Speaker 2: come through eyewitnesses of the Rainbow Warrior bombing, people that

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Speaker 2: have seen the bombers of the Rainbow Warrior on trains overseas,

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Speaker 2: French police officers that were recruited in to help with

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Speaker 2: the hunt of Dominic Priere and Elaine MafA. So just

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Speaker 2: an amazing chat and then at the end we go

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Speaker 2: hard on f one, which I liked as well. It's

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Speaker 2: a really really enjoyable show today. I hope you enjoy it.

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Speaker 2: And give them my painting.

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Speaker 1: Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything

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Speaker 1: in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talk said.

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Speaker 3: The very good afternoon to you. Welcome into Thursday show.

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Speaker 3: Awesome to have your company as always, Thanks for giving

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Speaker 3: us listen wherever you are in the country.

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Speaker 4: Get a Matt, get a tiler, get everyone big.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the new listeners to the show that I

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Speaker 2: keep hearing joining us every day.

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Speaker 3: Yes, welcome in. We love Heaven you here and the

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Speaker 3: old ones. Yeah, whoever you are, we love heaven you here.

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Speaker 3: You are good, good people and we love you. Hey,

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Speaker 3: just before we get into what's on the show today,

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Speaker 3: I think you've got a bit of a mere culprit

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Speaker 4: Each another way. Yeah, a bit of an apology.

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Speaker 2: It's nineteen of the show. Is me apologizing for things

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Speaker 2: I've done?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's good content.

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Speaker 3: It's an apology to a particular vegetable that I absolutely

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Speaker 3: adore and I think most New Zealanders are.

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Speaker 4: Again, so the humble old parsnip.

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Speaker 3: So last night you went to a very very lovely, beautiful,

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Speaker 2: Okay. So when we were talking about Sunday Roast a

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Speaker 2: few weeks ago, I said that I hate the parsnip.

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Speaker 2: I think there's no reason for the partnp to exist

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Speaker 2: and I'm completely anti parsnip. And then it is true

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Speaker 2: that I did go to the French cafe last night

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Speaker 2: and was served Hawk's Bay lamb rump parsnip spice, cabbage

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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. And that's a testament how great the

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Speaker 2: the tasting menu and look, once again, they're not paying

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Speaker 2: me for this. This is a personal correspondence between me

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Speaker 2: that's delicious. You know that the French cafe is going

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Speaker 3: There was a lot of elements to that parsnip dish.

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Speaker 2: Look, it takes people of the quality of the French

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Speaker 3: Love it all right, I'll take a half mere copper

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Speaker 3: to today's show after three point thirty. It is forty

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Speaker 3: years ago today since two bombs went off in Auckland's

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Speaker 3: Many New Zealanders, of course, still find that hard to believe.

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Speaker 3: But for those involved in planting the bomb on behalf

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Speaker 2: Well, as I've already said to you, Tyler, you know,

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Speaker 2: And it still amazes me that the French did that

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Speaker 3: So that is after three point thirty looking forward to

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Speaker 3: and the F one wild Christian Horner, the principle of

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Speaker 4: Man appslutely.

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Speaker 2: So when this came through, I was deep in my

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Speaker 2: You've got the movie out. There's been how many seasons

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Speaker 2: into this whole Christian Horner sacking with HEROLD reporter Alex Powell.

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Speaker 4: Yep, looking forward to that after three o'clock.

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Speaker 2: If one, if one, if one one. And then of

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Speaker 2: course there's what does this all mean for our boy

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Speaker 3: Can't forget about Liam. That's why a lot of people

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Speaker 2: Yeah, great New Zealander.

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Speaker 3: Yep, absolutely, that's after three o'clock. After two o'clock, former

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Speaker 3: Aka they were passed behaving badly and needed to be

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, who you're gonna believe in the situation

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Speaker 2: establishments in the past with shoplifting situations. But how do

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Speaker 2: How do you deal with that? Should there be consequences

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Speaker 2: Yeah, not that she was doing an online review. She

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Speaker 2: But you know there are places that people post online reviews.

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Speaker 3: The Google reviews, I'll give them a look, But what

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Speaker 2: I've been involved in the view.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, it's up to do. But right now, let's

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Speaker 3: So they are currently in the Supreme Court trying to

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Speaker 3: employment Court decision in twenty twenty two when four Uber

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Speaker 4: So the hearing is.

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Speaker 3: Underway right now, but we want to broaden that out

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Speaker 3: to have a chat to you. If you've been involved

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Speaker 3: as an Uber driver, Uber each driver, Door Dash, whatever,

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Speaker 3: how hard is it to actually earn money with this

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Speaker 3: there's any element to truth to this, but seen a

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Speaker 3: lot of social media postings and rants on Reddit from

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Speaker 3: Uber drivers saying that they worked twelve hour days and

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Speaker 2: The other side of this, Tyler as the flexibility that

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Speaker 2: and Uber believes that nine out of ten of their

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Speaker 3: That's his a lot, you know, when your whole family

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it can be a slippery, slippery slope.

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Speaker 3: But keen to hear from you on oh eight hundred

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and

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Speaker 3: Be good afternoon. If you're an Uber driver, love to

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Speaker 3: The company is currently in the Supreme Court trying to

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Speaker 2: And would you boycott Uber if you didn't think that

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Speaker 3: But easy for me to say, absolutely I would, But

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Speaker 2: Mate, you can still get an old school taxing. Yeah, true, Peter,

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Speaker 2: you're an Uber driver.

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Speaker 8: I am, indeed, I have been for three years. I've

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Speaker 8: an average of fifty five hours a week. I'm pretty

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Speaker 8: So I wonder to say they go home with forty dollars.

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Speaker 8: I don't know what they're doing, but they're not working.

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Speaker 2: What can you do, Peter, to increase your chances of

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Speaker 8: Realistically, I'm no different Madi owner. I open the doors,

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Speaker 8: there's no place here to hang around. If you want

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Speaker 8: I take people through the airport and then leave the

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Speaker 2: Can you mind us me asking, Peter, how much you

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Speaker 2: think you make in a year. You've been doing it

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Speaker 2: for three years, so what what's your annually?

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Speaker 8: Last year I got a statement remover ninety five.

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Speaker 2: That's pretty good.

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Speaker 4: On bed for how many elements week?

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Speaker 2: But that's fifty five hours a week, did you say, Peter,

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Speaker 2: Oh well.

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Speaker 8: I mean, can we take out of it your you're

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Speaker 8: At the end of the day, if you stick at it,

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Speaker 2: It's an amazing business where someone can just be sick

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Speaker 2: in your car. It's terrible. It's a terrible situation. Now,

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Speaker 2: would you if a bunch of the the the normal

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Speaker 9: Of course?

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Speaker 8: I mean, I mean, they're not going to be able

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Speaker 8: the unions, that's just my personal opinion, are wanting to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but just breaking down your the ninety five thousand

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Speaker 4: To Peter. You don't get holiday time.

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Speaker 3: Arguably, you're going to have to work over the Christmas

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Speaker 3: right it.

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Speaker 8: Is, But realisticly it's a lifestyle. You don't like it,

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Speaker 8: you don't want to do it, don't do it.

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Speaker 2: What do you say to this TEXTA that's just come through, Peter?

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Speaker 2: The New Zealand government should ban Uber entirely from New

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Speaker 2: the moment, it's just MyD and day slavery.

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Speaker 8: Well, I don't see myself as being a play from anyone.

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Speaker 8: I get told and I am told to do more

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Speaker 2: And Peter, how much downtime do you have?

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Speaker 6: Say?

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Speaker 2: You know you're saying you're working fifty five hours a week.

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Speaker 2: How much downtime do you have and how do you

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Speaker 8: Oh it's very easy. I'm looking at recipes or I'm

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Speaker 8: planning holidays, but I can't do any more than four

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Speaker 8: just can't do it. You know, of the short rides

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Speaker 8: you might get, you know, four or five then, but

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Speaker 8: as an hourly rate, about thirty six thirty six dollars

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: Again, no different from a area, ain't it.

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Speaker 2: There you go? Thank you so much for you call Peter.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, great call Ebbs and flows obviously though, to go

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Speaker 3: from thirty six to twelve, but ninety five k per

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Speaker 2: Oh damn, I've forgot to I'm sure we'll get another

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Speaker 2: Uber driver. I was gonna ask what percentage of people tip?

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Speaker 10: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Yes, because I always tip the maximum amount yep. But

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Speaker 2: as I said before, I've been told that that might

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Speaker 4: What's the maximum amount? Twenty percent?

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Speaker 11: Uh?

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Speaker 2: I don't know this.

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Speaker 12: Three.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's fifty percent. Actually, there's very generous

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Speaker 3: of you. No, they can go up to fifty.

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Speaker 2: No, it's not fifty percent. I'll look at that. Ye

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Speaker 2: definitely not. I just go three options. I go for

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Speaker 2: the top one. You're d because I'm a nice guy, Tyler,

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Speaker 3: Very generous. Oh one hundred and eightyeen eighty, you're stooy.

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Speaker 3: Very good afternoon. Sure, it's twenty nine past one. We

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Speaker 3: are talking about driving for Uber. They're currently in the

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Speaker 2: Yes, so before you're talking about tipping, Yes, tipping Uber drivers,

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Speaker 2: And you asked how much it was, and I said,

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Speaker 2: I don't know, but I always do the third option.

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Speaker 2: So I was just looking at here. I haven't actually

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Speaker 2: done it yet. I'm about to tip the last Uber

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Speaker 2: ride I got, which was in Dunedin, yep. From a

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Speaker 2: options are one dollar, three dollars or five dollars. So

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Speaker 2: we've got a text here say it used to be

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Speaker 2: changed to percentages about a year ago. Key, he is hopeless

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Speaker 2: at maths. The dollar amount was better. Ah, So I've

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Speaker 2: got an option between one dollar, three dollars and five dollars.

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Speaker 2: So look at me, what a good man. I'm gonna

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Speaker 4: That's very general. How much? How much was a uba altogether?

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Speaker 2: It was eleven dollars and nineteen cents.

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Speaker 4: So that's close to fifty percent. That is very that is.

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Speaker 2: Close to fifty percent. Yeah, just churns it down to three.

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Speaker 4: Hi, did you give him five stars?

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Speaker 15: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Yep, five stars. Yep, five stars, five bucks.

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Speaker 4: Thumbs up.

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Speaker 2: Good chat for Shin. Do you go, frid Do you go?

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Speaker 7: Mate?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, here we go.

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Speaker 3: Use that five dollars wisely, Oh, e one hundred and

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Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty is the number.

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Speaker 2: To call Megan. Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 16: Oh good, ask the names, gentlemen. So five years ago

441
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Speaker 16: Dad was retired. He was a barber most of life,

442
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Speaker 16: and he said, on board, I want to become an

443
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Speaker 16: uber driver. He said, Dad, you've never used an iPhone, mate,

444
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Speaker 16: I'll never know how it's going to go. Anyway. Fast

445
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Speaker 16: forward five years later, he's a five star Diamond driver.

446
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Speaker 16: It's completed over fifteen thousand trips and he loves the flexible.

447
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Speaker 16: We don't let him work at night. He's only allowed

448
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Speaker 16: to work during the day. So seventy seven years old,

449
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Speaker 16: he gets probably an extra eight hundred thousand dollars a week, eight.

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Speaker 2: Hundred thousand dollars a week, or eight hundred dollars.

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Speaker 9: A week eight hundred thousand dollars, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Eight hundred thousand dollar a week, would aility of it? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And I guess he's he's got his pension coming in

454
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Speaker 2: as well, so that's that's a nice little top up.

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Speaker 16: He usually, you know, he does his Monday and his Tuesday,

456
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Speaker 16: he does his golf with his buddies. On Wednesdays, he

457
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Speaker 16: works a little bit. Thursday, Friday's all right, he might

458
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Speaker 16: do some work or he might do whatever. Probably averages

459
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Speaker 16: five to forty hours a week.

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Speaker 2: So if he was classed, if he suddenly you know,

461
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Speaker 2: this came through and he was classed as an employee

462
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Speaker 2: going forward, would would he continue doing it? Or is

463
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Speaker 2: it the flexibility that that brings them, brings them to

464
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Speaker 2: the job.

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Speaker 17: Yeah.

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Speaker 16: I don't think he'd give a continental which way it goes.

467
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Speaker 16: But he gets to spending money per week, which means

468
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Speaker 16: he can do all those things that he can still

469
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Speaker 16: want to do.

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Speaker 3: One it's fine, what's your gut field, Meghan, when you

471
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Speaker 3: look at that court case and just you know, a

472
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Speaker 3: broad view, but the idea of getting holiday pay and

473
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Speaker 3: if you're sick, you still get you still get paid

474
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Speaker 3: by uber. I mean, do you think that's it's a

475
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Speaker 3: workable model for something like what your dad does?

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Speaker 18: Well?

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Speaker 16: I think you either have to make the choice you

478
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Speaker 16: want to be a contractor and the things that go

479
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Speaker 16: with the contractor fall on your plate, or if you

480
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Speaker 16: want to be an employeer, you go and get a

481
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Speaker 16: job where you are an employee.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So, Meghan, though your dad probably doesn't need to

483
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Speaker 2: do it, he does it because it makes his life

484
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Speaker 2: a little bit better. But he's not dependent on it.

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Speaker 2: If you're you know what I'm saying, Yeah.

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Speaker 16: Full disclosure. It makes all our lives a lot easier

487
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Speaker 16: to business.

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Speaker 2: But you know what I mean, if he probably doesn't

489
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Speaker 2: need to the same protetions.

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Speaker 16: It doesn't he doesn't have to think about it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I suppose it's purpose in life, you know,

492
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Speaker 3: once you retire and what do you say, seventy seven?

493
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Speaker 3: The ability he plays golf with his mates and then

494
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Speaker 3: the ability to drive around and chet to people.

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Speaker 4: That's that's it.

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Speaker 16: And then sorry, you get a Friday night, get to

497
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Speaker 16: hear all the better work stories from the week's editor.

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Speaker 2: Well, by working in the day, he probably doesn't have

499
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Speaker 2: the sort of vomitous work stories that the people that

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Speaker 2: work at night get, which.

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Speaker 16: Is no, no, it's definitely not loud of work at night. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Oh, that's good. Thank you so much for sharing, Megan.

503
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Speaker 2: That's that's the positive side of it. Yeah, you know,

504
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Speaker 2: if you've retired, you know you've got your super coming in.

505
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Speaker 2: That's it's a pretty good option.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, an eight hundred bucks ext for a week. But

507
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Speaker 3: if you do it as your full time job, love

508
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Speaker 3: to hear from you. What would you estimate your hourly

509
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Speaker 3: rate to be? Is it incredibly tough? Do you have

510
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Speaker 3: to work long hours? One hundred and eight ten eighty?

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Speaker 2: What does textasys? Matt? You didn't tip me and we

512
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Speaker 2: had a good connection. Who's this?

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Speaker 6: Look?

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Speaker 2: I tip every of a driver.

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Speaker 4: You got them, you got it.

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Speaker 3: We're going to do some digging. I'm going to I'll

517
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Speaker 3: give you a ring in the air brake and find

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Speaker 3: out more.

519
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Speaker 2: And I always have a good connection with mob drivers.

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Speaker 2: I like a chat. Punish them with a chat. Actually,

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Speaker 2: twenty seven to two.

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Speaker 19: Now back to Matt and Tyler.

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Speaker 4: Thank you very much, Wendy.

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Speaker 3: So Man's just going back through a zuber account to

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Speaker 3: make sure he's been honest with the people in New

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Speaker 3: Zealand that he does always tip.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I've gone right back to the fifteenth of

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Speaker 2: May because someone text texted in and said I didn't

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Speaker 2: give him the tip, but we made a good connection

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Speaker 2: and I have found someone that I didn't tip back then,

551
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Speaker 2: but all the ones up to then I have, so

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Speaker 2: adding a tip now?

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Speaker 15: All right?

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Speaker 4: How much was the full rod?

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Speaker 2: Can I edit it now? Surely it says no tip? Ugh,

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Speaker 2: let me edit tip?

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Speaker 3: Shall we say a text doo? Do you want to

558
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Speaker 3: just text and say what would be a fear tipping

559
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Speaker 3: him out? From Matt Heath, I'd say around fifty bucks

560
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Speaker 3: would be about.

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Speaker 2: I'll just look back through about fifteen they're all five dollars.

562
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Speaker 2: But I think I failed and I think it's the

563
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Speaker 2: same guy I failed to tip on. I feel terrible

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Speaker 2: and I can't do it invoice. Yeah, anyway, if you're

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Speaker 2: an uber driver, can you tell me a couple of things?

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Speaker 2: O one hundred and eight, ten and eighty? Can I

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Speaker 2: do a historical tip back from the fifteenth of May?

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Speaker 2: And secondly, how much of the tip goes to you?

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Speaker 2: As an Uber driver?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel bad. I think I think I didn't

572
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Speaker 2: tip someone that's terrible.

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Speaker 4: I'm going to give them a ring in the air break.

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Speaker 2: Hey, guys, people choose to be Uber drivers, and they

575
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Speaker 2: therefore choose or opt into everything that entails. Flexibility is

576
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Speaker 2: one of the biggest It works for all sorts of

577
00:26:36,933 --> 00:26:40,333
Speaker 2: groups of people, students, part time, extra income, the extra

578
00:26:40,373 --> 00:26:42,413
Speaker 2: on the side, et cetera, and ten percent. There are

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Speaker 2: lots who are very happy it's on the side or

580
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Speaker 2: the down low. It works because of its contract to

581
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Speaker 2: gig status. Sure, Uber should be reviewed as an entity

582
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Speaker 2: by ID and as a country, we're entitled to ensure

583
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Speaker 2: they are paying the right taxes on their income. But

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Speaker 2: the drivers are exactly what Uber says they are. They

585
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Speaker 2: are users of the service as much as they are

586
00:27:02,613 --> 00:27:05,573
Speaker 2: as a passenger. They opt in as a user a driver.

587
00:27:05,933 --> 00:27:09,613
Speaker 2: They are contractors absolutely. They are nowhere near employees as

588
00:27:09,653 --> 00:27:13,173
Speaker 2: we know it. Against this text, Bob says the whole

589
00:27:13,173 --> 00:27:16,333
Speaker 2: point of minimum wages is not to have tipping that

590
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Speaker 2: gives businesses an out on paying for the lives they

591
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Speaker 2: use to get the work done. That hour is irreplaceable

592
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Speaker 2: to the person you hired. You can never give it back.

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Speaker 2: You're encouraging seft by businesses over their workers. We don't

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Speaker 2: want the American system here. Thanks for that, Bob. There's

595
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Speaker 2: two different opinions there, Greg, you're an Uber Eats driver.

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Speaker 7: I am, indeed rightingly yep.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, you're enjoying it and you're making good did

598
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Speaker 3: you say reluctantly?

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00:27:42,573 --> 00:27:42,853
Speaker 2: Greg?

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00:27:43,413 --> 00:27:43,933
Speaker 9: Reluctantly?

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Speaker 7: The money is not worth doing these days, not even

602
00:27:47,013 --> 00:27:51,413
Speaker 7: worth worth starting the carboard? Really well, three four years

603
00:27:51,413 --> 00:27:53,613
Speaker 7: ago it uhuld be good money. I could make six

604
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Speaker 7: seven hundred bucks a week part time in the evenings

605
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Speaker 7: and weekends. I'm like you if I can do two

606
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Speaker 7: fifty in a week.

607
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Speaker 6: Wow?

608
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Speaker 2: And is that across the board? You know, because you've

609
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Speaker 2: chosen to be an uber each driver rather than a

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Speaker 2: passenger driver.

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00:28:08,373 --> 00:28:10,573
Speaker 7: I'm not a passenger drop because they don't have a

612
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Speaker 7: taxi passages.

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Speaker 2: Endorsement on my life, Oh right.

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Speaker 7: That's an expensive score and itself. You that's four four

615
00:28:16,493 --> 00:28:19,373
Speaker 7: five hundred bucks just to get you've got to renew

616
00:28:19,413 --> 00:28:23,373
Speaker 7: it every couple of years. What really worth doing?

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Speaker 2: What keeps you going? Greg? If it's not worth it?

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Speaker 7: In fact, we're in a living crisis. So you know,

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Speaker 7: I've got two kids to pea, so it's money to

620
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Speaker 7: keep keep the food on the table, keep the lights

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Speaker 7: on pretty much.

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Speaker 2: Well, good on you. That's fantastic you're standing up to

623
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Speaker 2: do that for your families. So is this your only

624
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Speaker 2: gig or have you got another gig?

625
00:28:43,493 --> 00:28:48,213
Speaker 7: Yes, that's the only gig. Yeah, but this, Yeah, by

626
00:28:48,253 --> 00:28:50,093
Speaker 7: the time, you know, you've got to got to pay

627
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Speaker 7: tax on that money that you earn. You've got to

628
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Speaker 7: pay your fuel, your running costs. And when you're only

629
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Speaker 7: getting offered five six dollars a delivery and it's going

630
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Speaker 7: seven eight nine k's away from when you're where you

631
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Speaker 7: pick it up from, you've still got to get to

632
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Speaker 7: that location, which could be another three four k, So

633
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Speaker 7: it could be a ten k trip for six bucks.

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00:29:06,693 --> 00:29:08,213
Speaker 7: It's just it ain't ridiculous.

635
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Speaker 2: Are you claiming back that fuel on your taxes?

636
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Speaker 7: You've got to You've got to have everything to do it.

637
00:29:14,533 --> 00:29:18,173
Speaker 7: But it's more so much paperwork involve it. A GI

638
00:29:18,333 --> 00:29:18,933
Speaker 7: size hatter.

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00:29:19,493 --> 00:29:21,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, there are some quite good apps that

640
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Speaker 2: will do that, do that for you, Henry for example.

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Speaker 3: So so, Greg, what's what's the answer here that I

642
00:29:28,613 --> 00:29:31,653
Speaker 3: mean to Customers need to face up there. Perhaps for

643
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Speaker 3: the likes of Uber each we need to pay more

644
00:29:34,693 --> 00:29:37,213
Speaker 3: as consumers or Uber taking the piss.

645
00:29:38,853 --> 00:29:42,173
Speaker 7: Uber's taking taking the pers litterally, because when you order

646
00:29:42,973 --> 00:29:47,653
Speaker 7: online through the Overeach app, you or three McDonalds or something,

647
00:29:47,653 --> 00:29:50,773
Speaker 7: you're actually paying two sometimes up to two dollars extra

648
00:29:50,893 --> 00:29:53,093
Speaker 7: for an item. So you're look at what you pay

649
00:29:53,093 --> 00:29:54,853
Speaker 7: for a big Mac in the store now, which is

650
00:29:54,853 --> 00:29:58,053
Speaker 7: about eighty seventy or something in the store you're paying

651
00:29:58,093 --> 00:29:59,933
Speaker 7: ten to seventy for And on the app.

652
00:30:01,493 --> 00:30:04,093
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have heard there's about a thirty percent mark

653
00:30:04,173 --> 00:30:06,413
Speaker 3: up when you use Uber each, which is fair enough

654
00:30:06,413 --> 00:30:08,573
Speaker 3: because you're paying for that convenience and then you for

655
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Speaker 3: the delivery. But the fact that you're only getting five

656
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Speaker 3: to six bucks per trip, and then that doesn't account

657
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Speaker 3: for as you say, petrol, mileage, everything else, wear and tear,

658
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Speaker 3: as you say, you just can't live on that.

659
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Speaker 7: And then and then a lot of time as well

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Speaker 7: as a lot of the waters, a lot of delivery question.

661
00:30:26,253 --> 00:30:28,773
Speaker 7: You get a double step. Are you going to go

662
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Speaker 7: to two different packups?

663
00:30:30,133 --> 00:30:30,413
Speaker 2: Right?

664
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Speaker 8: Oh?

665
00:30:30,933 --> 00:30:32,133
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so.

666
00:30:32,133 --> 00:30:34,773
Speaker 7: You might get off at nine bucks through two deliveries.

667
00:30:35,093 --> 00:30:36,373
Speaker 7: That's going to take it half an hour?

668
00:30:36,773 --> 00:30:37,533
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not good.

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00:30:38,373 --> 00:30:41,213
Speaker 7: Later the food's ready when you go to pack it up.

670
00:30:41,293 --> 00:30:44,293
Speaker 7: You've got to go or restaurant. Pack one order up.

671
00:30:44,293 --> 00:30:45,973
Speaker 7: That's really straight away. If you go to the next

672
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Speaker 7: one and they're not ready, yes to there for five minutes,

673
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Speaker 7: the other order is getting cold. Do you get deliveries?

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Speaker 2: Do you get many tips?

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Speaker 4: Greg?

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00:30:56,933 --> 00:30:57,013
Speaker 11: No?

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Speaker 7: Tips? Have dropped it right off, right drop right off.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that maybe because people don't have a

679
00:31:02,093 --> 00:31:04,893
Speaker 2: connection with the the Uber each driver in the same

680
00:31:04,893 --> 00:31:06,853
Speaker 2: way that they have with the driver. You know, you're

681
00:31:06,893 --> 00:31:08,333
Speaker 2: sitting in the backseat the car. You have a chat

682
00:31:08,413 --> 00:31:10,333
Speaker 2: with them, and that leads to it.

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Speaker 6: Have a part of it.

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00:31:14,053 --> 00:31:16,493
Speaker 7: The food because you've been held up.

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00:31:16,573 --> 00:31:21,613
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, Yeah, people don't know. The people have no

686
00:31:21,693 --> 00:31:24,413
Speaker 2: idea what you're going through when when you're delivering that food,

687
00:31:24,973 --> 00:31:26,013
Speaker 2: do they.

688
00:31:25,453 --> 00:31:29,533
Speaker 7: They don't actually care about Uber does money on the

689
00:31:29,573 --> 00:31:32,413
Speaker 7: slade for them, so they take this sweet time getting

690
00:31:32,493 --> 00:31:33,013
Speaker 7: orders ready.

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Speaker 3: Yeah right, yeah again, Greg, I mean this, this is

692
00:31:36,453 --> 00:31:39,213
Speaker 3: this is why it's a complicated situation because I absolutely

693
00:31:39,253 --> 00:31:42,773
Speaker 3: sympathize with what you're saying. But if Uber decides it's

694
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Speaker 3: too hard and gets out of New Zealand, which may

695
00:31:45,413 --> 00:31:48,893
Speaker 3: be a possibility, then then you're up the creek because

696
00:31:48,893 --> 00:31:51,213
Speaker 3: you've lost the ability to do that job.

697
00:31:51,533 --> 00:31:54,013
Speaker 4: And so I keep coming back to us as consumers.

698
00:31:54,053 --> 00:31:57,053
Speaker 3: Surely we you know, maybe need to accept that we're

699
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Speaker 3: going to pay a bit more or you know, that

700
00:31:59,413 --> 00:32:01,573
Speaker 3: tipping side of the culture that gets pushed back on

701
00:32:02,373 --> 00:32:03,293
Speaker 3: should be encouraged.

702
00:32:03,293 --> 00:32:04,493
Speaker 4: For the likes of you, guys.

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00:32:07,093 --> 00:32:10,573
Speaker 7: Feel in with encourage or the drivers are out, they're

704
00:32:10,573 --> 00:32:13,773
Speaker 7: trying to make a living like everybody else. You can't

705
00:32:13,773 --> 00:32:16,493
Speaker 7: make it, then just disappear.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that lets Uber off that? If that

707
00:32:18,893 --> 00:32:21,933
Speaker 2: lets Uber off the hook though, if people are volunteering

708
00:32:21,973 --> 00:32:25,613
Speaker 2: to tap, then Uber gets away with not paying you know,

709
00:32:25,693 --> 00:32:26,813
Speaker 2: drivers properly.

710
00:32:28,693 --> 00:32:29,893
Speaker 7: Who knows you're American?

711
00:32:30,493 --> 00:32:35,293
Speaker 8: Yeah, they just they're creaming it.

712
00:32:35,413 --> 00:32:38,373
Speaker 7: And yeah, a lot of drivers, I mean the taxi drivers,

713
00:32:38,413 --> 00:32:41,253
Speaker 7: they probably get better, better money for what they do,

714
00:32:41,293 --> 00:32:42,693
Speaker 7: but these drivers.

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Speaker 3: Just think it happen at the end of the day, Greg,

716
00:32:45,973 --> 00:32:48,493
Speaker 3: getting a tip in cash clearly would be a better

717
00:32:48,533 --> 00:32:50,173
Speaker 3: way to do it, right. I mean, look, I know

718
00:32:50,253 --> 00:32:52,653
Speaker 3: there's some there might be some some legal sides to

719
00:32:52,693 --> 00:32:55,293
Speaker 3: that that situation, but if you're providing a tap, I

720
00:32:55,293 --> 00:32:55,733
Speaker 3: don't want you.

721
00:32:55,773 --> 00:32:56,613
Speaker 4: But to get that tap.

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Speaker 3: Uber have provided the service, but the person who's done

723
00:32:59,173 --> 00:33:01,093
Speaker 3: the league workers you. I want you to get one

724
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Speaker 3: hundred percent of that tip.

725
00:33:04,653 --> 00:33:06,813
Speaker 7: That we do get the tips when they come through,

726
00:33:08,173 --> 00:33:10,613
Speaker 7: so you do get them. But yeah, yeah, very few

727
00:33:10,653 --> 00:33:11,733
Speaker 7: on bar between Now.

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00:33:12,053 --> 00:33:15,613
Speaker 2: Hey, Greg, are you looking for another job actively? Is

729
00:33:16,293 --> 00:33:18,733
Speaker 2: it that you know? You you you're out there looking

730
00:33:18,733 --> 00:33:19,133
Speaker 2: for another.

731
00:33:19,053 --> 00:33:22,413
Speaker 7: Job, exploring options or just giving out completely?

732
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Speaker 1: You know?

733
00:33:23,613 --> 00:33:25,493
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's fifty fifty at the moment.

734
00:33:26,373 --> 00:33:28,133
Speaker 2: What would happen if you gave up completely? Would you

735
00:33:28,253 --> 00:33:29,613
Speaker 2: have to go on on a benefit?

736
00:33:30,773 --> 00:33:31,573
Speaker 20: Ah?

737
00:33:31,893 --> 00:33:32,613
Speaker 7: Most likely?

738
00:33:33,133 --> 00:33:37,613
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much it Yeah, well, well, yeah, hopefully there's

739
00:33:37,613 --> 00:33:39,893
Speaker 2: a job out for you that pays you what you deserve. Greg,

740
00:33:40,333 --> 00:33:41,813
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your calling your insights.

741
00:33:41,893 --> 00:33:44,053
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely certainly tough out there for a lot of people.

742
00:33:44,173 --> 00:33:48,093
Speaker 2: This Texter Jeff says you more on who me?

743
00:33:49,093 --> 00:33:49,293
Speaker 9: Yeah?

744
00:33:49,293 --> 00:33:50,413
Speaker 4: Probably you must be new here.

745
00:33:51,373 --> 00:33:53,493
Speaker 2: Do you not know how hard people are trying to

746
00:33:53,533 --> 00:33:56,253
Speaker 2: do away with tipping in the US? Do not encourage

747
00:33:56,293 --> 00:34:00,053
Speaker 2: the slave wage practice here? I don't know if people

748
00:34:00,053 --> 00:34:02,573
Speaker 2: are trying. Some people are trying to get word of tipping,

749
00:34:02,653 --> 00:34:06,893
Speaker 2: but they're recently moving to remove tax of tipping.

750
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Speaker 4: Which makes sense.

751
00:34:07,373 --> 00:34:09,732
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got an over in the States that makes

752
00:34:09,893 --> 00:34:11,693
Speaker 2: very good money working in the bar. From the tips.

753
00:34:11,773 --> 00:34:14,453
Speaker 4: Yeah. Absolutely. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is

754
00:34:14,453 --> 00:34:15,813
Speaker 4: the number of call got to take a break. It

755
00:34:15,933 --> 00:34:17,853
Speaker 4: is fourteen to two.

756
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Speaker 1: Your home of afternoon talk, mad Heathen, Taylor Adams. Afternoons call, Oh,

757
00:34:23,813 --> 00:34:25,853
Speaker 1: eight hundred eighty ten eighty news talk.

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Speaker 3: They'd be ar it's very good afternoon to you. You

759
00:34:30,973 --> 00:34:32,373
Speaker 3: be you're an uber driver?

760
00:34:32,493 --> 00:34:33,093
Speaker 9: Is that right?

761
00:34:34,053 --> 00:34:34,133
Speaker 1: No?

762
00:34:34,213 --> 00:34:34,533
Speaker 6: I'm not.

763
00:34:34,853 --> 00:34:39,813
Speaker 5: I just had a own. I'm a contractor. So I

764
00:34:39,893 --> 00:34:44,693
Speaker 5: find it interesting that Uber drivers would ask to be

765
00:34:45,693 --> 00:34:49,253
Speaker 5: made employees because I think they're being led up the

766
00:34:49,253 --> 00:34:52,733
Speaker 5: garden path a little bit. As an employee, there's no

767
00:34:52,853 --> 00:34:56,533
Speaker 5: deductibility and Peter and I think Regg touched on it

768
00:34:56,573 --> 00:34:59,453
Speaker 5: as well your previous callers, which is you have the

769
00:34:59,493 --> 00:35:02,893
Speaker 5: ability to claim an amount of GST, You've got your

770
00:35:02,933 --> 00:35:05,773
Speaker 5: vehicle running expenses, You've got al sorts of other things

771
00:35:05,813 --> 00:35:09,213
Speaker 5: that are deductible. The minute you're an employee in this country,

772
00:35:09,613 --> 00:35:12,533
Speaker 5: none of that is the situation, and I think that

773
00:35:12,613 --> 00:35:14,853
Speaker 5: leads people into a situation of.

774
00:35:17,493 --> 00:35:19,813
Speaker 7: Actually getting less by the time.

775
00:35:19,693 --> 00:35:23,093
Speaker 5: They become an employee and being also captured by all

776
00:35:23,173 --> 00:35:23,853
Speaker 5: the rules of that.

777
00:35:24,973 --> 00:35:27,493
Speaker 2: Yeah, and if you're an employee, then you'll be put

778
00:35:27,533 --> 00:35:30,413
Speaker 2: on the shifts that your boss tells you to be on.

779
00:35:31,733 --> 00:35:35,973
Speaker 5: Yeah, Whereas as an independent contractor they have all those

780
00:35:36,493 --> 00:35:42,453
Speaker 5: tax deductibilities that make a business operation work.

781
00:35:42,733 --> 00:35:45,772
Speaker 2: It sounded like Greg found that too complicated to do.

782
00:35:47,573 --> 00:35:50,373
Speaker 5: He chose not to at the level he was operating

783
00:35:50,413 --> 00:35:54,613
Speaker 5: at Peter at ninety thousand dollars a year. Now, he's

784
00:35:54,613 --> 00:35:57,493
Speaker 5: getting quite a bit of mileage on his car. Surely

785
00:35:57,533 --> 00:36:00,652
Speaker 5: he's able to claim depreciation. Surely he's able to claim

786
00:36:00,693 --> 00:36:04,853
Speaker 5: his fuel and various other things that tires and what

787
00:36:04,893 --> 00:36:07,772
Speaker 5: have you that are running expenses other with the car.

788
00:36:08,493 --> 00:36:10,853
Speaker 2: You seem to know quite a little bit about this.

789
00:36:10,933 --> 00:36:13,413
Speaker 2: If you get one of one of those accounting apps

790
00:36:13,413 --> 00:36:17,453
Speaker 2: that do everything pretty much for you, that's taxed up,

791
00:36:17,773 --> 00:36:21,733
Speaker 2: that deductible as well, isn't it what you use for accounting.

792
00:36:21,373 --> 00:36:26,733
Speaker 5: Professional services and the whole lot. So there's no deductibility

793
00:36:26,813 --> 00:36:30,573
Speaker 5: at all around what would be, in my opinion, considerable

794
00:36:30,613 --> 00:36:33,413
Speaker 5: running expenses of a business of being an uber driver.

795
00:36:34,173 --> 00:36:37,013
Speaker 5: There's no deductibility at all in the minute you become

796
00:36:37,013 --> 00:36:37,733
Speaker 5: an employee.

797
00:36:39,053 --> 00:36:39,252
Speaker 6: Yeah.

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00:36:39,493 --> 00:36:42,733
Speaker 2: What do you feel about this gig economy growing and

799
00:36:42,773 --> 00:36:47,173
Speaker 2: what it does to like in this case taxi drivers

800
00:36:47,173 --> 00:36:50,453
Speaker 2: that that work for a company that don't really exists

801
00:36:50,453 --> 00:36:51,493
Speaker 2: so much anymore, do they?

802
00:36:51,893 --> 00:36:53,773
Speaker 4: I should know this, but say if you will.

803
00:36:53,373 --> 00:36:56,413
Speaker 8: All businesses must move with the times.

804
00:36:57,533 --> 00:37:02,453
Speaker 5: We're in a modern landscape of whatever, however it works innovation.

805
00:37:02,693 --> 00:37:06,973
Speaker 5: We're all told to be pivot and find new ways

806
00:37:06,973 --> 00:37:10,813
Speaker 5: of doing business, and so Uber just really represents that.

807
00:37:10,933 --> 00:37:12,933
Speaker 5: Last time I was in La you can't even get

808
00:37:12,973 --> 00:37:15,692
Speaker 5: a taxi, whereas the Uber, you know what your price

809
00:37:15,813 --> 00:37:17,133
Speaker 5: is going to be, you know what you see is

810
00:37:17,173 --> 00:37:19,692
Speaker 5: going to be, you know how far away they are,

811
00:37:20,333 --> 00:37:23,373
Speaker 5: know what you're going to ride, and and you also

812
00:37:23,573 --> 00:37:25,812
Speaker 5: you know the matter of the tips. Just to mention

813
00:37:25,933 --> 00:37:28,933
Speaker 5: that I always to give a cash it's easy.

814
00:37:30,973 --> 00:37:31,172
Speaker 10: Yeah.

815
00:37:31,213 --> 00:37:32,933
Speaker 2: I remember last time I tried to get a taxi

816
00:37:33,293 --> 00:37:36,213
Speaker 2: in Vicago and the woman told me off for asking

817
00:37:36,213 --> 00:37:38,013
Speaker 2: when it was going to arrive. And I was thinking,

818
00:37:38,333 --> 00:37:40,013
Speaker 2: you know, I'm not sure if Uber has arrived in

819
00:37:40,013 --> 00:37:41,652
Speaker 2: a Vicago yet, but I was thinking, you're right for

820
00:37:41,693 --> 00:37:44,373
Speaker 2: the plucking on that one, and this you make the service.

821
00:37:45,133 --> 00:37:46,813
Speaker 2: What we expect now is to know when the car

822
00:37:46,853 --> 00:37:50,453
Speaker 2: is going to arrive, and and you know how much,

823
00:37:50,533 --> 00:37:53,013
Speaker 2: you know how much is going to cost. I was

824
00:37:53,053 --> 00:37:56,773
Speaker 2: in Dunedin. Recently, and I was at this restaurant called

825
00:37:56,813 --> 00:37:58,732
Speaker 2: Joe's Garage, and it used to be one of those

826
00:37:58,773 --> 00:38:03,213
Speaker 2: taxi rank ranks where the company owned all the taxis

827
00:38:03,333 --> 00:38:05,413
Speaker 2: and the drivers just came in and drive drove there

828
00:38:05,453 --> 00:38:07,373
Speaker 2: and you'd line up and they'd come out like the

829
00:38:07,453 --> 00:38:08,253
Speaker 2: like the sick contact.

830
00:38:08,573 --> 00:38:09,453
Speaker 4: Yeah, remember those days.

831
00:38:09,493 --> 00:38:11,013
Speaker 2: You are thinking how long ago is that?

832
00:38:11,453 --> 00:38:11,652
Speaker 16: You know?

833
00:38:11,773 --> 00:38:13,493
Speaker 2: And we're never going back to that. You're quite right.

834
00:38:13,773 --> 00:38:15,093
Speaker 2: Thank you for your call, buddy.

835
00:38:15,733 --> 00:38:17,652
Speaker 4: Thanks very much, good time, Thanks very much.

836
00:38:17,973 --> 00:38:19,853
Speaker 3: Are we a little bit late, so we'll play some

837
00:38:19,893 --> 00:38:22,053
Speaker 3: messages and come back with more of your calls very shortly.

838
00:38:22,133 --> 00:38:23,773
Speaker 4: It is seven to two.

839
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Speaker 1: Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred

840
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Speaker 1: and eighty tight. It's mad Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons news TALGZB.

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00:38:33,893 --> 00:38:36,893
Speaker 4: News Talk ZB. It is five to two. Who has

842
00:38:36,933 --> 00:38:37,853
Speaker 4: started in a vcago?

843
00:38:38,493 --> 00:38:40,853
Speaker 2: This textas says, just so we know Steve.

844
00:38:40,653 --> 00:38:41,253
Speaker 4: Okay, thanks.

845
00:38:41,613 --> 00:38:43,772
Speaker 2: If you rely on tipsy this text to get another job,

846
00:38:43,853 --> 00:38:47,652
Speaker 2: you keep pushing and tipping will increase. Would you too,

847
00:38:47,773 --> 00:38:51,213
Speaker 2: muppets work at ZB just for tips? No instead of

848
00:38:51,293 --> 00:38:52,533
Speaker 2: your but if you want to give me a tip,

849
00:38:52,653 --> 00:38:55,373
Speaker 2: then then I'll expect my bank account number instead of

850
00:38:55,373 --> 00:38:57,493
Speaker 2: the ways you get because the end result is inevitable.

851
00:38:57,613 --> 00:39:01,693
Speaker 2: All it takes is stupidity, dumb ifs and time. I

852
00:39:01,813 --> 00:39:04,212
Speaker 2: was born to a New Zealand that never tip. Now

853
00:39:04,213 --> 00:39:06,813
Speaker 2: it's here. Remember that, Matt, you're helping New Zealand become

854
00:39:06,853 --> 00:39:07,773
Speaker 2: a little America.

855
00:39:07,973 --> 00:39:10,373
Speaker 4: Wow, I don't know you were. I was just do that.

856
00:39:10,573 --> 00:39:12,933
Speaker 2: So it's funny. Is that sort of what do they

857
00:39:12,933 --> 00:39:15,973
Speaker 2: talk about? Suicidal empathy? Where you empathetic, you give the tip,

858
00:39:16,013 --> 00:39:19,333
Speaker 2: but the actual result is much worse for your country. Yeah, yeah,

859
00:39:19,613 --> 00:39:21,573
Speaker 2: you know. First I've felt good. I feel a little,

860
00:39:21,813 --> 00:39:23,453
Speaker 2: a little good, look like I'm a good person when

861
00:39:23,453 --> 00:39:24,413
Speaker 2: I tip Anoba driving.

862
00:39:24,213 --> 00:39:26,692
Speaker 3: Apart from that one person that takes through. But you'll

863
00:39:26,693 --> 00:39:29,493
Speaker 3: make that right, and this Texas says, getay, guys. Uber

864
00:39:29,533 --> 00:39:31,533
Speaker 3: should have a fleet of cars and be made to

865
00:39:31,573 --> 00:39:34,413
Speaker 3: pay minimum hourly rates, holidays, sick pay. At least even

866
00:39:34,413 --> 00:39:36,732
Speaker 3: if you claim all expensive with Uber, you still only

867
00:39:36,813 --> 00:39:40,253
Speaker 3: earn five dollars per hour. Literally, Uber operates on unskilled

868
00:39:40,853 --> 00:39:44,333
Speaker 3: slave labor from other countries. That is ruining the lives

869
00:39:44,333 --> 00:39:45,133
Speaker 3: of real kiwis.

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00:39:45,413 --> 00:39:46,893
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'll tell you what if you do that,

871
00:39:47,013 --> 00:39:48,973
Speaker 2: then we won't have Uber anymore.

872
00:39:48,573 --> 00:39:50,573
Speaker 4: Exactly, and I do really really like Uber.

873
00:39:50,893 --> 00:39:51,533
Speaker 2: It's a good.

874
00:39:51,333 --> 00:39:52,692
Speaker 4: Service, right.

875
00:39:52,733 --> 00:39:55,333
Speaker 3: Thank you very much to everyone who phoned and called

876
00:39:55,333 --> 00:39:59,133
Speaker 3: on that really enjoyed that discussion. New sport and weather

877
00:39:59,413 --> 00:40:02,013
Speaker 3: is coming up. It is fantastic to have your company

878
00:40:02,053 --> 00:40:04,893
Speaker 3: as always. Hope you're having a great Thursday afternoon. You

879
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Speaker 3: listening to Matt and Tyler. See you're on the other.

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Speaker 1: Side talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathan Taylor

881
00:40:24,573 --> 00:40:26,853
Speaker 1: Adams Afternoons News Talks.

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00:40:26,893 --> 00:40:30,853
Speaker 3: It'd be very very good afternoon to you. Welcome back

883
00:40:30,853 --> 00:40:34,133
Speaker 3: into the show. Seven past two. So on this day,

884
00:40:34,173 --> 00:40:37,413
Speaker 3: forty years ago, two explosions bombs went off in Auckland,

885
00:40:37,453 --> 00:40:40,173
Speaker 3: White a Matter Harbor under the cover of darkness. By morning,

886
00:40:40,293 --> 00:40:44,013
Speaker 3: the destruction of the Greenpeace ship Rainbow Warrior, used to

887
00:40:44,093 --> 00:40:47,013
Speaker 3: protest nuclear testing in the Pacific was playing for all

888
00:40:47,093 --> 00:40:49,893
Speaker 3: to see. What followed in the days and weeks afterwards

889
00:40:50,533 --> 00:40:54,333
Speaker 3: was a tale of lies, spies, political maneuvering, and New

890
00:40:54,413 --> 00:40:58,013
Speaker 3: Zealand authorities fighting to catch those responsible and their French

891
00:40:58,053 --> 00:41:01,253
Speaker 3: counterparts while they tried to cover their tracks.

892
00:41:01,293 --> 00:41:02,093
Speaker 4: What a time.

893
00:41:02,253 --> 00:41:05,773
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a fantastic new podcast out on the subject today.

894
00:41:05,853 --> 00:41:08,772
Speaker 2: Listen to Rainbow Warrior Forgotten History on iheartrad or wherever

895
00:41:08,813 --> 00:41:12,053
Speaker 2: you get your podcast search for Forgotten History or find

896
00:41:12,053 --> 00:41:14,733
Speaker 2: out at inzid Herald, dot Cota and z Ford slash

897
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Speaker 2: Rainbow Warrior forty years ago today. So what does it

898
00:41:19,413 --> 00:41:21,893
Speaker 2: mean to you, Tyler? Oh e one hundred and eighty

899
00:41:21,933 --> 00:41:24,333
Speaker 2: ten eighty What does it mean to you, dear listener?

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00:41:24,453 --> 00:41:24,652
Speaker 16: Yeah?

901
00:41:24,733 --> 00:41:26,293
Speaker 2: What does it mean to you Tyler? Because you were

902
00:41:26,333 --> 00:41:28,693
Speaker 2: born after it happened.

903
00:41:28,813 --> 00:41:31,733
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I was born December that year, nineteen eighty five,

904
00:41:32,853 --> 00:41:34,813
Speaker 3: nearing my fortieth birthday, so to speak.

905
00:41:34,853 --> 00:41:37,133
Speaker 4: And yeah, and I.

906
00:41:37,333 --> 00:41:39,933
Speaker 2: What do you want? What have you got for your birthday?

907
00:41:39,973 --> 00:41:41,453
Speaker 4: A nice tip would be would be pretty good.

908
00:41:41,453 --> 00:41:43,252
Speaker 2: Actually, I'll give you a five dollar tip.

909
00:41:43,253 --> 00:41:43,973
Speaker 4: I'll give you a list.

910
00:41:44,533 --> 00:41:47,613
Speaker 3: But yeah, So I started to learn properly about what

911
00:41:47,693 --> 00:41:50,453
Speaker 3: happened on that day when I was about twelve, thirteen, fourteen,

912
00:41:50,693 --> 00:41:52,652
Speaker 3: I think about the time I started high school and

913
00:41:52,693 --> 00:41:54,053
Speaker 3: one of the teachers was talking about it. But I

914
00:41:54,053 --> 00:41:57,773
Speaker 3: do recall my mum and dad being pretty animated about

915
00:41:57,813 --> 00:42:00,093
Speaker 3: what happened that day and the anger they felt. And

916
00:42:00,093 --> 00:42:02,053
Speaker 3: I've got to say, when I started reading up about

917
00:42:02,053 --> 00:42:04,853
Speaker 3: what happened. I felt a lot of anger towards the

918
00:42:04,893 --> 00:42:07,373
Speaker 3: French government at the time what had happened there. How

919
00:42:07,373 --> 00:42:12,133
Speaker 3: they managed to avoid too much conviction over in their

920
00:42:12,453 --> 00:42:14,933
Speaker 3: home state of France. They were shipped to away to

921
00:42:15,013 --> 00:42:17,533
Speaker 3: a particular penitentiary, but then brought back into the fold

922
00:42:17,533 --> 00:42:20,133
Speaker 3: relatively quickly. So there was a lot of injustice. I

923
00:42:20,173 --> 00:42:23,293
Speaker 3: could see that, the massive injustice that was a play there,

924
00:42:23,573 --> 00:42:26,813
Speaker 3: and it didn't feel like when I was getting reading

925
00:42:26,853 --> 00:42:30,013
Speaker 3: about what had happened that, particularly for the family of

926
00:42:30,053 --> 00:42:33,772
Speaker 3: this person who was killed, there was no justice for them.

927
00:42:34,093 --> 00:42:35,772
Speaker 3: And to this day, I don't think that's the case.

928
00:42:35,853 --> 00:42:38,413
Speaker 2: Well, Eze hundred and eighty ten eighty, what do you

929
00:42:38,533 --> 00:42:41,453
Speaker 2: think about the Rainbow Warriors situation forty years later? Do

930
00:42:41,493 --> 00:42:46,813
Speaker 2: you think that we capitulated to France what we clearly did?

931
00:42:47,373 --> 00:42:49,733
Speaker 2: But does that still rankle you?

932
00:42:49,933 --> 00:42:50,493
Speaker 20: Is that a word?

933
00:42:50,733 --> 00:42:51,253
Speaker 2: Blankle you?

934
00:42:51,413 --> 00:42:51,652
Speaker 7: Yeah?

935
00:42:52,253 --> 00:42:52,853
Speaker 2: You rankled?

936
00:42:53,133 --> 00:42:53,333
Speaker 11: Does it?

937
00:42:53,333 --> 00:42:55,373
Speaker 2: Because it kind of annoys me how we rolled over.

938
00:42:55,533 --> 00:42:57,533
Speaker 2: Not so much that I won't go and watch French

939
00:42:57,653 --> 00:43:00,653
Speaker 2: play the or Blacks. Yeah, but I feel like we

940
00:43:00,653 --> 00:43:03,373
Speaker 2: were just steamrolled. We were a little country, they were

941
00:43:03,373 --> 00:43:06,053
Speaker 2: a big country, and we were just got steamrolled. They

942
00:43:06,173 --> 00:43:12,093
Speaker 2: did something so very shock, which was to plant bombs

943
00:43:12,933 --> 00:43:16,573
Speaker 2: on a boat in the harbor of a country that

944
00:43:16,773 --> 00:43:19,613
Speaker 2: was your ally, that had fought for you, that had

945
00:43:19,653 --> 00:43:23,213
Speaker 2: lost a lot of our young men fighting for your

946
00:43:23,253 --> 00:43:27,573
Speaker 2: country just twenty years before that. Absolutely, it's hard to

947
00:43:28,053 --> 00:43:30,853
Speaker 2: comprehend how shocking it is that they did that on

948
00:43:31,773 --> 00:43:32,373
Speaker 2: our shores.

949
00:43:32,653 --> 00:43:34,493
Speaker 3: What did you think, because you would have been a

950
00:43:34,533 --> 00:43:37,013
Speaker 3: young teenager at the time that it happened. What was

951
00:43:37,053 --> 00:43:40,733
Speaker 3: going through your head when that hit the news in

952
00:43:40,813 --> 00:43:41,613
Speaker 3: nineteen eighty five.

953
00:43:42,293 --> 00:43:44,093
Speaker 2: I think I was younger than that, but I can't remember.

954
00:43:45,093 --> 00:43:48,333
Speaker 2: I just remember, you know, when you're in little you

955
00:43:48,373 --> 00:43:52,093
Speaker 2: don't really comprehend things. So I was the rainbow worry

956
00:43:52,133 --> 00:43:54,413
Speaker 2: it got bombed. I was so confused. But the names Elaine,

957
00:43:54,453 --> 00:43:59,973
Speaker 2: MafA and Dominic Pria absolutely burnt into my memories, absolutely burnt.

958
00:44:00,013 --> 00:44:02,253
Speaker 2: So I followed it. But you know, I'm not you know,

959
00:44:02,533 --> 00:44:04,813
Speaker 2: you know, when you're at intermediate you're not really able

960
00:44:04,893 --> 00:44:09,893
Speaker 2: to sort of generate outrage towards things like that, you know,

961
00:44:09,933 --> 00:44:14,252
Speaker 2: you know, it's not really the position you're in in life.

962
00:44:14,813 --> 00:44:17,173
Speaker 2: So it was kind of a mystery back then. Auckland

963
00:44:17,213 --> 00:44:19,493
Speaker 2: was a mystery to me. Auckland was just this a

964
00:44:19,733 --> 00:44:23,533
Speaker 2: big place where TV shows came out of and there

965
00:44:23,573 --> 00:44:26,292
Speaker 2: was a bombing and some weird stuff happened, and Dave

966
00:44:26,333 --> 00:44:28,133
Speaker 2: Dobbin was involved in a riot. There was all kinds

967
00:44:28,133 --> 00:44:29,652
Speaker 2: of weird stuff coming out of Auckland. The whole thing

968
00:44:29,653 --> 00:44:30,133
Speaker 2: confused me.

969
00:44:31,333 --> 00:44:35,293
Speaker 3: Yeah, But am I fair to say this because again

970
00:44:36,133 --> 00:44:39,613
Speaker 3: a lot of anger towards France and they're arrogance on

971
00:44:39,653 --> 00:44:41,773
Speaker 3: how they treated us in New Zealand, And hopefully that

972
00:44:41,853 --> 00:44:44,413
Speaker 3: relationship has been repaired a lot in the last forty years.

973
00:44:44,653 --> 00:44:47,853
Speaker 3: But I still felt reading up on what had happened

974
00:44:47,853 --> 00:44:50,652
Speaker 3: as a teenager anger, not just France, but some of

975
00:44:50,653 --> 00:44:54,373
Speaker 3: our other allies, the UK, Australia, some of the others

976
00:44:54,453 --> 00:44:57,653
Speaker 3: who I felt reading up didn't come to our defense

977
00:44:57,773 --> 00:45:03,413
Speaker 3: enough that particularly at a time, you know, where we

978
00:45:03,413 --> 00:45:06,053
Speaker 3: weren't a hell of a long time after a major war,

979
00:45:06,493 --> 00:45:10,652
Speaker 3: that those relationships should have been iron clad. In fact,

980
00:45:10,773 --> 00:45:12,933
Speaker 3: we were left on our own to try and defend

981
00:45:12,933 --> 00:45:18,212
Speaker 3: ourselves against an ally bombing one of our vessels here

982
00:45:18,213 --> 00:45:20,213
Speaker 3: in New Zealand, and none of our allies stood up

983
00:45:20,253 --> 00:45:23,853
Speaker 3: and said, France, yeah, we're coming for you because you

984
00:45:23,853 --> 00:45:24,293
Speaker 3: can't do that.

985
00:45:24,493 --> 00:45:27,053
Speaker 2: Yeah, And someone's pointed out, Matt, you've twice said fighting

986
00:45:27,093 --> 00:45:29,252
Speaker 2: the French twenty years before, it was forty years before.

987
00:45:29,293 --> 00:45:31,573
Speaker 2: I mean, that's a good point. It's clearly twenty years

988
00:45:31,573 --> 00:45:34,733
Speaker 2: before would be nineteen sixty five, nineteen forty five US

989
00:45:34,773 --> 00:45:37,133
Speaker 2: of course, when our World War two ended. So I'm

990
00:45:37,173 --> 00:45:38,893
Speaker 2: an idiot for saying that, And thank you Mike for

991
00:45:38,933 --> 00:45:40,973
Speaker 2: pointing that out, because I would have continued saying that.

992
00:45:42,053 --> 00:45:45,773
Speaker 4: But anyway, forty years, forty years, forty.

993
00:45:45,533 --> 00:45:49,973
Speaker 2: Years since we fought for them in Europe, miles and

994
00:45:50,013 --> 00:45:51,773
Speaker 2: miles and miles on the other side of the planet.

995
00:45:51,813 --> 00:45:54,333
Speaker 2: We send our people over there to fight for them. Yeah,

996
00:45:54,413 --> 00:45:57,053
Speaker 2: and then just to mere forty years later, they were

997
00:45:58,053 --> 00:46:01,813
Speaker 2: trialing nukes in our backyard and bombing protest ships, and

998
00:46:02,173 --> 00:46:02,973
Speaker 2: the White of Matar have.

999
00:46:03,253 --> 00:46:05,333
Speaker 3: A slap in the face. But many would also argue

1000
00:46:05,333 --> 00:46:07,773
Speaker 3: that was a defining moment for New Zealand, as in,

1001
00:46:07,973 --> 00:46:10,373
Speaker 3: for you know, many people might have seen New Zealand

1002
00:46:10,413 --> 00:46:13,773
Speaker 3: as just a sort of backwater country somewhere in the Pacific.

1003
00:46:13,933 --> 00:46:15,733
Speaker 2: I think they thought we were some kind of banana

1004
00:46:15,773 --> 00:46:18,893
Speaker 2: republic that we didn't really have any way of pushing back.

1005
00:46:18,933 --> 00:46:21,853
Speaker 2: I think this is a preme arrogance and eight hundred

1006
00:46:21,853 --> 00:46:23,813
Speaker 2: and eighteen eighty, how do you think we would respond

1007
00:46:23,813 --> 00:46:25,533
Speaker 2: now as a country? Do you think we've grown up

1008
00:46:25,573 --> 00:46:29,213
Speaker 2: to the point now if an ally, let's just say France.

1009
00:46:29,573 --> 00:46:32,133
Speaker 2: If France, you know a couple of the you know,

1010
00:46:32,173 --> 00:46:34,813
Speaker 2: the rugby players that are in the country at the moment,

1011
00:46:35,053 --> 00:46:37,053
Speaker 2: you know, nipped off, blow up a boat now, harbor.

1012
00:46:37,333 --> 00:46:38,853
Speaker 2: Do you think we are in a position now, a

1013
00:46:38,933 --> 00:46:41,053
Speaker 2: stronger position in the world where we would really kick

1014
00:46:41,133 --> 00:46:43,053
Speaker 2: back and tell them what for?

1015
00:46:43,253 --> 00:46:45,013
Speaker 3: It's a great question. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten

1016
00:46:45,053 --> 00:46:47,493
Speaker 3: eighty is the number. Call love to hear from you.

1017
00:46:47,613 --> 00:46:52,653
Speaker 3: It is thirteen past two.

1018
00:46:51,853 --> 00:46:56,253
Speaker 1: Your home of afternoon Talk Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams Afternoons

1019
00:46:56,253 --> 00:46:59,293
Speaker 1: call Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty Youth Talk said, be.

1020
00:47:00,933 --> 00:47:01,893
Speaker 4: Very good afternoon to you.

1021
00:47:01,933 --> 00:47:05,853
Speaker 3: We are talking about the Rainbow Warrior bombing forty years today,

1022
00:47:05,893 --> 00:47:08,853
Speaker 3: where those two bombs were set off, destroying the Rainbow

1023
00:47:08,853 --> 00:47:12,973
Speaker 3: Warrior vessel and killing a person who was on board

1024
00:47:13,053 --> 00:47:16,693
Speaker 3: at the time, accidentally, but still a defining moment in

1025
00:47:16,773 --> 00:47:18,213
Speaker 3: New Zealand. So we're keen to hear from you on

1026
00:47:18,253 --> 00:47:20,373
Speaker 3: O eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

1027
00:47:20,533 --> 00:47:22,853
Speaker 2: There are graves in France with Kiwis in them that

1028
00:47:22,973 --> 00:47:25,853
Speaker 2: died to free France, and then the Kiwis are still

1029
00:47:25,893 --> 00:47:28,373
Speaker 2: there in them. Yeah, as I must read that text,

1030
00:47:28,413 --> 00:47:29,693
Speaker 2: but I mean that's kind of the point I was

1031
00:47:29,733 --> 00:47:32,573
Speaker 2: trying to make that you know, it was just forty

1032
00:47:32,693 --> 00:47:37,013
Speaker 2: years before. The most egregious thing that happened was that

1033
00:47:37,053 --> 00:47:39,693
Speaker 2: Margaret Thatcher, the UK Prime minister at the time, refused

1034
00:47:39,693 --> 00:47:41,893
Speaker 2: to condemn what the French had done. And we're not

1035
00:47:42,013 --> 00:47:44,933
Speaker 2: call it a state sponsored terrorism. That's from John Yeah.

1036
00:47:44,973 --> 00:47:48,133
Speaker 2: I mean it was clearly state sponsor terrorism. But we

1037
00:47:48,253 --> 00:47:51,853
Speaker 2: went worth the diplomatic problems that they would have to

1038
00:47:51,893 --> 00:47:53,053
Speaker 2: face to stick up for us.

1039
00:47:53,293 --> 00:47:55,693
Speaker 3: And that's what was so greating, right that our mates

1040
00:47:55,733 --> 00:47:58,853
Speaker 3: in the UK, and I think Australia didn't do too

1041
00:47:58,933 --> 00:48:01,453
Speaker 3: much either, that they put their head in the sand

1042
00:48:01,493 --> 00:48:03,693
Speaker 3: and say, oh, no, we're not involved when we needed

1043
00:48:03,693 --> 00:48:04,813
Speaker 3: our allies to back us.

1044
00:48:05,013 --> 00:48:08,893
Speaker 2: Well yeah, and look, Elaine Mafar and Dominic Priere. I

1045
00:48:08,933 --> 00:48:12,253
Speaker 2: thought it was odd that they took the punishment because

1046
00:48:12,293 --> 00:48:14,333
Speaker 2: they were just doing the orders of their government, right, Yeah,

1047
00:48:14,373 --> 00:48:16,773
Speaker 2: they worked for the government, they were soldiers, they were

1048
00:48:16,773 --> 00:48:20,613
Speaker 2: doing their orders. So the gap goats the fact that

1049
00:48:20,613 --> 00:48:23,933
Speaker 2: they were scapegoaded even briefly, and they were stuck set

1050
00:48:23,973 --> 00:48:25,093
Speaker 2: on an island for a little bit and then they

1051
00:48:25,093 --> 00:48:27,013
Speaker 2: were taken home. But it was hardly their fault.

1052
00:48:27,093 --> 00:48:29,973
Speaker 4: Yeah, Peter, you were pretty young at the time.

1053
00:48:31,293 --> 00:48:34,173
Speaker 21: Yeah, I was thirteen at the time, so I don't

1054
00:48:34,213 --> 00:48:40,333
Speaker 21: really have much recollection of However, it was afterwards when

1055
00:48:40,493 --> 00:48:43,373
Speaker 21: finding out a bit about it, I just couldn't not

1056
00:48:43,653 --> 00:48:51,413
Speaker 21: stop reading books about political espionage, just all those you know,

1057
00:48:51,453 --> 00:48:53,773
Speaker 21: the special forces side, the thing that the people that

1058
00:48:53,853 --> 00:48:57,933
Speaker 21: are hired to seek into different countries and carry out

1059
00:48:58,333 --> 00:49:04,693
Speaker 21: a political an attack. And it's just amazing now from

1060
00:49:05,693 --> 00:49:11,253
Speaker 21: forty years ago to what I'm reading about, it's all enjoyable.

1061
00:49:11,333 --> 00:49:15,893
Speaker 21: There's just the political aspect of it. And to MAT's

1062
00:49:16,093 --> 00:49:19,172
Speaker 21: answer to us question is I don't think it may

1063
00:49:19,293 --> 00:49:23,013
Speaker 21: happen tomorrow, you see, it would do any better and

1064
00:49:23,933 --> 00:49:29,133
Speaker 21: getting a decision come our way, I think the and

1065
00:49:29,213 --> 00:49:33,573
Speaker 21: would still go against us. We're too small, too little.

1066
00:49:34,013 --> 00:49:36,893
Speaker 2: Yeah, But would you do you think, Peter, that we

1067
00:49:36,933 --> 00:49:39,692
Speaker 2: are we are bigger on the world stage. Not wanting

1068
00:49:39,693 --> 00:49:41,853
Speaker 2: to sound trite, but the likes of I mean this

1069
00:49:41,893 --> 00:49:44,333
Speaker 2: would sound ridiculous, but I think there's some truth to it.

1070
00:49:44,933 --> 00:49:47,573
Speaker 2: Lord of Lord of the Rings has has put us

1071
00:49:47,573 --> 00:49:50,453
Speaker 2: on the world map and to a certain extent where

1072
00:49:50,573 --> 00:49:54,373
Speaker 2: we've got a bigger, if not more power. We're more

1073
00:49:54,413 --> 00:49:57,013
Speaker 2: well known now. And do you think that would give

1074
00:49:57,053 --> 00:50:00,773
Speaker 2: us any any any more play?

1075
00:50:01,133 --> 00:50:03,573
Speaker 21: I don't think so. Just out and what you see

1076
00:50:04,013 --> 00:50:07,933
Speaker 21: what's going on in today's well from the political aspect

1077
00:50:07,973 --> 00:50:11,213
Speaker 21: of faith, I don't think we've got enough cloud in

1078
00:50:11,253 --> 00:50:14,613
Speaker 21: that area. The best we could respond with is whenever

1079
00:50:14,693 --> 00:50:19,213
Speaker 21: we go to front, send B teams and you know,

1080
00:50:19,453 --> 00:50:22,693
Speaker 21: just just do it that way, Pat, you send the

1081
00:50:22,693 --> 00:50:27,013
Speaker 21: PTAM over glass, we'll send one back. And you know,

1082
00:50:27,093 --> 00:50:31,133
Speaker 21: I just said, we're we're too little, too small. What

1083
00:50:31,373 --> 00:50:35,493
Speaker 21: happened forty years ago was we were we were absolutely

1084
00:50:35,573 --> 00:50:41,252
Speaker 21: nothing back then, and many accomplishments we had were relatively

1085
00:50:41,333 --> 00:50:45,253
Speaker 21: sporty on a globe scale. And that's it. And I

1086
00:50:45,293 --> 00:50:49,893
Speaker 21: don't think we're kind of changed too much politically in

1087
00:50:50,093 --> 00:50:53,373
Speaker 21: forty years. We hop on the back of everyone else

1088
00:50:53,413 --> 00:50:57,013
Speaker 21: to help out, but standing on our own, I think

1089
00:50:57,573 --> 00:50:59,853
Speaker 21: we're just too We're not close to I don't they.

1090
00:51:01,813 --> 00:51:04,093
Speaker 2: One of the biggest noises we've made on the world

1091
00:51:04,133 --> 00:51:06,772
Speaker 2: stage at that part as getting everyone to a whole

1092
00:51:06,773 --> 00:51:09,773
Speaker 2: lot of African nations to boycott the Olympics because we

1093
00:51:09,773 --> 00:51:12,533
Speaker 2: were still playing with South Africa. But it did excite

1094
00:51:12,533 --> 00:51:15,973
Speaker 2: in you an interest in espionage across your life, and

1095
00:51:16,013 --> 00:51:17,773
Speaker 2: you've probably enjoyed a lot of reading in that. So

1096
00:51:17,813 --> 00:51:19,733
Speaker 2: that's one small positive that you could take out of

1097
00:51:19,733 --> 00:51:20,613
Speaker 2: this horrible situation.

1098
00:51:20,893 --> 00:51:25,893
Speaker 21: Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. And it's still there's by go

1099
00:51:26,013 --> 00:51:27,853
Speaker 21: to book, so I just picked them up and I

1100
00:51:28,173 --> 00:51:29,252
Speaker 21: just enjoy that.

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00:51:29,613 --> 00:51:32,493
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much for you call Peter. Maybe

1102
00:51:32,493 --> 00:51:36,413
Speaker 2: you're pulling naivety to get callers. We would never either

1103
00:51:37,013 --> 00:51:40,453
Speaker 2: you suggest that or you are really naive possibly about

1104
00:51:40,453 --> 00:51:43,933
Speaker 2: how citizens and infrastructure as canon fodder on politics despite

1105
00:51:43,973 --> 00:51:46,893
Speaker 2: present wars. You seem not to perceive the fact this

1106
00:51:46,973 --> 00:51:49,692
Speaker 2: is a very luxury text. Just get to the point, Rob,

1107
00:51:50,293 --> 00:51:52,573
Speaker 2: New Zealand would continue trading with China even if China

1108
00:51:52,613 --> 00:51:56,013
Speaker 2: attacked Taiwan and killed many says Rob. Yeah, yeah, I

1109
00:51:56,013 --> 00:51:58,213
Speaker 2: mean to keep your texts coming in, Rob, you need

1110
00:51:58,213 --> 00:52:00,573
Speaker 2: to have all the pilava at the start.

1111
00:52:00,933 --> 00:52:03,253
Speaker 4: Yeah, just get to the point. Keep it in one

1112
00:52:03,293 --> 00:52:03,973
Speaker 4: season until less.

1113
00:52:03,973 --> 00:52:04,253
Speaker 5: Please.

1114
00:52:04,373 --> 00:52:07,093
Speaker 2: I love your text Rob, Thank you for that, even

1115
00:52:07,133 --> 00:52:08,772
Speaker 2: the abuse. Greg, welcome the show.

1116
00:52:10,053 --> 00:52:13,413
Speaker 18: Hi, guys, how are you very good?

1117
00:52:13,493 --> 00:52:13,652
Speaker 6: Hey?

1118
00:52:13,693 --> 00:52:17,133
Speaker 18: Listen talking about the Rainbow Worrier. I remember it vividly

1119
00:52:17,173 --> 00:52:19,253
Speaker 18: in the shock and the anger we all felt at

1120
00:52:19,293 --> 00:52:22,613
Speaker 18: the time. As I've probably mentioned on the program, the

1121
00:52:22,613 --> 00:52:25,293
Speaker 18: Fries to go to Europe all the time out of London.

1122
00:52:25,333 --> 00:52:27,453
Speaker 18: I was truck riding. I've been to France unders of

1123
00:52:27,493 --> 00:52:31,573
Speaker 18: times and I expressed my dismay and a lot of

1124
00:52:31,613 --> 00:52:33,733
Speaker 18: French people I talked to about it, and I have

1125
00:52:33,853 --> 00:52:36,973
Speaker 18: to be fair, they said to me ninety five percent

1126
00:52:37,053 --> 00:52:39,533
Speaker 18: of them were appalled by what happened, and I didn't

1127
00:52:39,773 --> 00:52:43,133
Speaker 18: been some French people who had supported that. But when

1128
00:52:43,133 --> 00:52:46,613
Speaker 18: you look at how many times France has been invaded,

1129
00:52:46,693 --> 00:52:49,893
Speaker 18: I understand whilst I don't agree with what they had

1130
00:52:49,973 --> 00:52:53,373
Speaker 18: the old nuclear policy, and you know, we've never been

1131
00:52:53,413 --> 00:52:59,172
Speaker 18: invaded like they had, and yeah, that's just going yeah, well,

1132
00:52:59,213 --> 00:53:01,453
Speaker 18: you know, we sit here and pontificate at the bottom

1133
00:53:01,453 --> 00:53:03,853
Speaker 18: of the world and struck our stuff and think we're

1134
00:53:03,853 --> 00:53:08,133
Speaker 18: holding them there, but you know we're not. And also

1135
00:53:09,293 --> 00:53:13,133
Speaker 18: another thing is you've mentioned about other countries sold allies

1136
00:53:13,173 --> 00:53:15,453
Speaker 18: didn't come to our aide, and I was annoyed about this,

1137
00:53:15,893 --> 00:53:18,773
Speaker 18: but the reason was we'd adopted that anti nuke policy.

1138
00:53:18,893 --> 00:53:22,812
Speaker 18: Someday knows is that our traditional allies, and we said, well,

1139
00:53:22,973 --> 00:53:26,053
Speaker 18: bugging you, you can't bring your ships in here. And

1140
00:53:26,093 --> 00:53:28,373
Speaker 18: the Americans only used to bring a nuclear power to

1141
00:53:28,533 --> 00:53:31,493
Speaker 18: arm shipping once in the Blue Moon, so you can't

1142
00:53:31,533 --> 00:53:34,453
Speaker 18: have above each way. As we weren't prepared to be

1143
00:53:34,493 --> 00:53:36,933
Speaker 18: part of the club and do our bits, then you

1144
00:53:36,973 --> 00:53:40,053
Speaker 18: can't have it. That's why they didn't help us. And

1145
00:53:40,613 --> 00:53:44,693
Speaker 18: we've had this isolationist policy, but it's a bit naive.

1146
00:53:45,493 --> 00:53:49,613
Speaker 18: And the French people, you know there are decent people, yeah,

1147
00:53:50,373 --> 00:53:53,093
Speaker 18: as they were pretty against it. And we were involved

1148
00:53:53,093 --> 00:53:55,652
Speaker 18: in the British nuclear testing in the South Pacific in

1149
00:53:55,653 --> 00:53:59,692
Speaker 18: the fifties to the detriment of a lot of Polynesian,

1150
00:53:59,733 --> 00:54:01,172
Speaker 18: a lot of our servicemen here.

1151
00:54:01,373 --> 00:54:04,493
Speaker 2: So you know, well we get we forget that they

1152
00:54:04,533 --> 00:54:07,692
Speaker 2: were testing nukes in the in the outback of Australia.

1153
00:54:07,533 --> 00:54:08,573
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1154
00:54:08,653 --> 00:54:12,253
Speaker 18: Yeah, Can I mention one other thing? Yeah, I used

1155
00:54:12,293 --> 00:54:14,413
Speaker 18: to go down to to lose or I went all

1156
00:54:14,453 --> 00:54:16,373
Speaker 18: over France when I was striving, but I used to

1157
00:54:16,413 --> 00:54:18,253
Speaker 18: go to to lose a lot. And I took an

1158
00:54:18,253 --> 00:54:20,773
Speaker 18: opportunity one time to go to a village I heard

1159
00:54:20,813 --> 00:54:24,293
Speaker 18: about called Burrob Sir Glaine. Now, this was wiped out

1160
00:54:24,333 --> 00:54:27,493
Speaker 18: by the s S and the Second World War and

1161
00:54:27,573 --> 00:54:30,373
Speaker 18: the whole village was annihilated and it was rebuilt after

1162
00:54:30,453 --> 00:54:34,053
Speaker 18: the war. The original village is still there and it's

1163
00:54:34,133 --> 00:54:37,053
Speaker 18: quite a creepy place to walk grounds. Over four hundred

1164
00:54:37,133 --> 00:54:41,853
Speaker 18: people have slaughtered and there's cars lining garages, tow lines

1165
00:54:41,893 --> 00:54:44,373
Speaker 18: hanging there. They up the whole village and moved it.

1166
00:54:45,013 --> 00:54:47,373
Speaker 18: So when I've gone through stuff like that, you can

1167
00:54:47,493 --> 00:54:51,133
Speaker 18: understand why they were so hot under fence and a

1168
00:54:51,213 --> 00:54:54,653
Speaker 18: strong policy. You know, Like I said, I don't agree

1169
00:54:54,653 --> 00:54:57,493
Speaker 18: with what they did, but I sort of understand. You know,

1170
00:54:58,373 --> 00:55:01,013
Speaker 18: till you've balked and so unshoes, you don't really know.

1171
00:55:00,853 --> 00:55:03,373
Speaker 18: You want to google about this place and to see

1172
00:55:03,413 --> 00:55:03,853
Speaker 18: about it.

1173
00:55:04,413 --> 00:55:06,013
Speaker 4: Yeah, what was the name of the place again?

1174
00:55:08,773 --> 00:55:09,453
Speaker 18: Near the moose?

1175
00:55:09,813 --> 00:55:10,013
Speaker 9: Right.

1176
00:55:10,573 --> 00:55:14,213
Speaker 18: A lot of that stuff happened in in France because

1177
00:55:14,253 --> 00:55:17,533
Speaker 18: the resistance was very strong and the French people took

1178
00:55:17,533 --> 00:55:23,573
Speaker 18: a terrible toll and you know, under oppression. And I

1179
00:55:23,573 --> 00:55:25,613
Speaker 18: haven't visited a lot of the graves of Kiwi's as

1180
00:55:25,613 --> 00:55:26,973
Speaker 18: a lot of them. Then I said that to a

1181
00:55:27,053 --> 00:55:30,173
Speaker 18: young French guy. I said, there's hundreds of our countrymen

1182
00:55:30,173 --> 00:55:33,413
Speaker 18: are buried here. They can't came to help liberate your country.

1183
00:55:33,453 --> 00:55:35,573
Speaker 18: I said, what do you think about all the French people?

1184
00:55:36,093 --> 00:55:38,253
Speaker 18: You said, ninety five percent of a singer was very

1185
00:55:38,253 --> 00:55:39,853
Speaker 18: bad and worst of all, we got caught.

1186
00:55:40,213 --> 00:55:42,533
Speaker 3: But that, yeah, and that's very fair enough, Greg. But

1187
00:55:43,053 --> 00:55:46,933
Speaker 3: looking at where they were testing those weapons, and granted

1188
00:55:46,973 --> 00:55:50,253
Speaker 3: it was French territory, but incredibly close to other nations

1189
00:55:50,253 --> 00:55:54,173
Speaker 3: and environmental damage, it was so far away from France itself.

1190
00:55:54,253 --> 00:55:57,573
Speaker 3: If they were, you know, that magnanimous, why not test

1191
00:55:57,613 --> 00:55:59,773
Speaker 3: it in their own waters. I think that's what grated

1192
00:55:59,813 --> 00:56:01,853
Speaker 3: a lot of people at the time, dropped off the top.

1193
00:56:01,733 --> 00:56:02,613
Speaker 2: Of the arc to trumph.

1194
00:56:02,733 --> 00:56:03,373
Speaker 4: Yeah, why not?

1195
00:56:04,413 --> 00:56:06,293
Speaker 3: Yeah, you see what I'm saying, Greg is as that

1196
00:56:06,533 --> 00:56:09,853
Speaker 3: was my understanding because as I mentioned, I wasn't yet born,

1197
00:56:09,893 --> 00:56:12,213
Speaker 3: But reading up on it, that was the sense of

1198
00:56:12,293 --> 00:56:15,373
Speaker 3: arrogance from the French that this is our territory and

1199
00:56:15,413 --> 00:56:16,973
Speaker 3: we will do what I want, and it's far enough

1200
00:56:16,973 --> 00:56:18,853
Speaker 3: away from our country and we don't care what you

1201
00:56:18,853 --> 00:56:20,732
Speaker 3: say because you're a tiny little Pacific island nation.

1202
00:56:22,053 --> 00:56:24,853
Speaker 18: Well that's the case. Yeah, it was arrogance and I

1203
00:56:24,893 --> 00:56:26,493
Speaker 18: thought it was appalling behavior.

1204
00:56:26,933 --> 00:56:28,613
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think of for you, cool, Greg, But I

1205
00:56:28,653 --> 00:56:32,133
Speaker 2: get Greg's points. So I keep saying, forty years before that,

1206
00:56:32,173 --> 00:56:34,213
Speaker 2: there was the war and we were fighting for the

1207
00:56:34,213 --> 00:56:37,773
Speaker 2: French over there, but also they had been occupied by

1208
00:56:37,813 --> 00:56:40,933
Speaker 2: the Nazis, and you know, they put all their faith

1209
00:56:40,973 --> 00:56:44,053
Speaker 2: in the Mezzano Line that they built, which just totally

1210
00:56:44,053 --> 00:56:47,573
Speaker 2: didn't work. So France had had and I'm not defending them,

1211
00:56:47,893 --> 00:56:50,733
Speaker 2: but it's just a different perspective from the government of France.

1212
00:56:50,853 --> 00:56:54,973
Speaker 2: They had had this their sense of security absolutely not.

1213
00:56:55,493 --> 00:56:58,813
Speaker 2: They had this incredible plan that failed so badly with

1214
00:56:58,853 --> 00:57:02,733
Speaker 2: the Mazano line. The Termans just went around it, and

1215
00:57:02,813 --> 00:57:05,692
Speaker 2: so they didn't want that to happen again. So they

1216
00:57:06,213 --> 00:57:09,333
Speaker 2: were really it was in their da from that point

1217
00:57:09,373 --> 00:57:12,053
Speaker 2: to try and protect France any way they can. Because

1218
00:57:12,053 --> 00:57:16,053
Speaker 2: hard to imagine that situation where you were occupied by

1219
00:57:16,253 --> 00:57:20,333
Speaker 2: by literal Nazis. Yeah, not the Nazis. Everyone's accusing people

1220
00:57:20,333 --> 00:57:23,133
Speaker 2: of being Nazis now, like not not social media Nazis,

1221
00:57:23,493 --> 00:57:26,773
Speaker 2: but actual Nazis were occupying France just just you know,

1222
00:57:27,773 --> 00:57:30,413
Speaker 2: just over forty years before, and so.

1223
00:57:31,453 --> 00:57:32,653
Speaker 4: It's very hard to comprehend.

1224
00:57:32,893 --> 00:57:36,693
Speaker 2: Their mindset is very different, you know, if you take

1225
00:57:36,733 --> 00:57:37,453
Speaker 2: that into account.

1226
00:57:37,533 --> 00:57:40,813
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you're listening and you were born in France

1227
00:57:40,893 --> 00:57:43,453
Speaker 3: or you are a French person, now we'd love to

1228
00:57:43,493 --> 00:57:44,813
Speaker 3: hear from you living in New Zealand. I eight one

1229
00:57:44,853 --> 00:57:46,653
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty ten eighty if you can recall how

1230
00:57:46,693 --> 00:57:49,213
Speaker 3: the French people felt about what happened with the Rainbow

1231
00:57:49,213 --> 00:57:52,973
Speaker 3: Warrior at the time, or how the feeling is in

1232
00:57:53,013 --> 00:57:54,413
Speaker 3: France now, I love to hear from you, Oh, one

1233
00:57:54,493 --> 00:57:55,253
Speaker 3: hundred eighty ten eights.

1234
00:57:55,253 --> 00:57:57,493
Speaker 2: This was a really good point from Jade, whose pride

1235
00:57:57,533 --> 00:57:59,493
Speaker 2: idea was it to have the French rugby team touring

1236
00:57:59,533 --> 00:58:02,093
Speaker 2: New Zealand around the same time as the fortieth anniversary

1237
00:58:02,133 --> 00:58:02,733
Speaker 2: of the sinking of.

1238
00:58:02,733 --> 00:58:03,573
Speaker 4: The Rainbow Warrior.

1239
00:58:04,133 --> 00:58:08,893
Speaker 2: Like all ins it are, you know, I often hassle

1240
00:58:08,933 --> 00:58:11,013
Speaker 2: them for not hitting on key dates where they could

1241
00:58:11,213 --> 00:58:13,493
Speaker 2: get some play going on, you know, games on Anzac

1242
00:58:13,573 --> 00:58:16,413
Speaker 2: DAAL or whatever. But this one's an interesting one. I'm

1243
00:58:16,413 --> 00:58:17,893
Speaker 2: pretty sure they didn't think that one through.

1244
00:58:17,973 --> 00:58:20,493
Speaker 3: No, that's slightly awkward, right. It is twenty seven past

1245
00:58:20,493 --> 00:58:21,653
Speaker 3: to back pretty shortly.

1246
00:58:25,493 --> 00:58:28,933
Speaker 1: Mad Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred and

1247
00:58:28,933 --> 00:58:31,933
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty on News Talk ZB very good afternoon.

1248
00:58:31,973 --> 00:58:34,973
Speaker 3: It's forty years to the day since the Rainbow Warrior bombing,

1249
00:58:35,013 --> 00:58:36,693
Speaker 3: and that's what we're chatting about. Oh, eight hundred and

1250
00:58:36,693 --> 00:58:37,893
Speaker 3: eighteen eighty, so the number to call.

1251
00:58:38,053 --> 00:58:39,773
Speaker 2: And there's something I said that's caused a bit of

1252
00:58:39,813 --> 00:58:42,693
Speaker 2: a bit of ir on the text machine on nine

1253
00:58:42,773 --> 00:58:45,053
Speaker 2: two nine two. Hey guys, let's not call them soldiers

1254
00:58:45,133 --> 00:58:48,173
Speaker 2: because I was saying, can you really blame Elaine MafA

1255
00:58:48,333 --> 00:58:51,693
Speaker 2: and Dominic Priere when they're just doing the bidding of

1256
00:58:51,733 --> 00:58:54,933
Speaker 2: their government? Seemed to me and a lot of people

1257
00:58:54,973 --> 00:58:56,853
Speaker 2: seem to disagree with me, but it seems to me

1258
00:58:57,053 --> 00:59:01,213
Speaker 2: that they were scapegoaded because they were soldiers and they

1259
00:59:01,213 --> 00:59:03,453
Speaker 2: were doing what they were ordered to do. Yeah, and

1260
00:59:03,573 --> 00:59:05,293
Speaker 2: you may not agree with it, and maybe they could

1261
00:59:05,293 --> 00:59:09,573
Speaker 2: have refused to do their orders, but I think the

1262
00:59:09,093 --> 00:59:11,813
Speaker 2: the blame should sit with the government that ordered them

1263
00:59:11,813 --> 00:59:14,013
Speaker 2: to do that. Hey, guys, let's not call them soldiers

1264
00:59:14,053 --> 00:59:16,173
Speaker 2: just doing their jobs. These two knew exactly what they

1265
00:59:16,173 --> 00:59:19,133
Speaker 2: were doing, and if our government had had any spine,

1266
00:59:19,213 --> 00:59:21,693
Speaker 2: they never would have seen daylight. Again. Also, the United

1267
00:59:21,733 --> 00:59:24,493
Speaker 2: Kingdom are a little bit more than mates. We're part

1268
00:59:24,533 --> 00:59:26,413
Speaker 2: of the Commonwealth. I believe the Queen was our head

1269
00:59:26,413 --> 00:59:29,413
Speaker 2: of state at the time yeah, I mean, yeah, that's right.

1270
00:59:29,413 --> 00:59:33,973
Speaker 2: I mean what the lack of support from from the

1271
00:59:34,093 --> 00:59:37,733
Speaker 2: UK was phenomenal. Yeah, Bob Hawk, though Bob Hawk, Prime

1272
00:59:37,733 --> 00:59:40,813
Speaker 2: Minister of Australia time blasted it as a cold blooded,

1273
00:59:40,813 --> 00:59:43,293
Speaker 2: premeditated act of international terrorism.

1274
00:59:43,613 --> 00:59:45,613
Speaker 3: Good on God, I take that back. I had to

1275
00:59:45,613 --> 00:59:47,653
Speaker 3: go ad Ozzie before, so I'm sorry. We love your Aussie.

1276
00:59:47,693 --> 00:59:49,573
Speaker 3: Good on your Bob Hawk. He was a great prime

1277
00:59:49,573 --> 00:59:52,293
Speaker 3: minister for Ozzie, wasn't he. Yeah right, we've you've got

1278
00:59:52,293 --> 00:59:54,733
Speaker 3: the headlines hot on our tail, but we've got full boards.

1279
00:59:54,733 --> 00:59:56,653
Speaker 4: If you can't get through, keep trying. Oh eight hundred

1280
00:59:56,653 --> 00:59:57,693
Speaker 4: and eighty ten eighty.

1281
00:59:57,773 --> 00:59:59,493
Speaker 3: Love to hear your thoughts forty years on from the

1282
00:59:59,573 --> 01:00:03,733
Speaker 3: Rainbow Warrior bombing, how we feeling about that moment in time?

1283
01:00:03,853 --> 01:00:05,773
Speaker 3: And if you're French, love to hear from you. What

1284
01:00:05,973 --> 01:00:07,293
Speaker 3: was the feeling on the ground in fronts?

1285
01:00:07,373 --> 01:00:07,573
Speaker 17: Yeah?

1286
01:00:07,613 --> 01:00:10,533
Speaker 2: And have you ever seen Bob Hawk's skull an entire

1287
01:00:10,573 --> 01:00:13,053
Speaker 2: point of beer? It's quite impressive, is it?

1288
01:00:13,053 --> 01:00:14,133
Speaker 4: It is twenty nine.

1289
01:00:14,053 --> 01:00:15,053
Speaker 2: To three.

1290
01:00:16,773 --> 01:00:19,853
Speaker 19: US Talk said the headlines, we blue bubble taxis it's

1291
01:00:19,853 --> 01:00:23,333
Speaker 19: no trouble with a blue bubble. A new taxpayer's union

1292
01:00:23,373 --> 01:00:26,693
Speaker 19: funded Curier Pole is bad news for labour, which slid

1293
01:00:26,773 --> 01:00:29,613
Speaker 19: three point two percent to thirty one and a half.

1294
01:00:30,053 --> 01:00:33,053
Speaker 19: New Zealand First is looking good, up three points seven

1295
01:00:33,173 --> 01:00:37,013
Speaker 19: to just under ten percent, national sitting just under thirty

1296
01:00:37,013 --> 01:00:40,333
Speaker 19: four percent and acts on nine. A man's due in

1297
01:00:40,373 --> 01:00:44,013
Speaker 19: court today charged with murder, aggravated robbery and failing to stop.

1298
01:00:44,213 --> 01:00:47,253
Speaker 19: He was arrested after a pursuit allegedly involving an armed

1299
01:00:47,293 --> 01:00:50,493
Speaker 19: carjacking following discovery of a thirty one year old man's

1300
01:00:50,493 --> 01:00:54,533
Speaker 19: body in Hamilton's Chartwell. Rents in the capitol are at

1301
01:00:54,613 --> 01:00:58,413
Speaker 19: their lowest since twenty twenty two, fifty dollars less a

1302
01:00:58,453 --> 01:01:01,653
Speaker 19: week in June than the year before. The national median

1303
01:01:01,693 --> 01:01:05,733
Speaker 19: has fallen four percent. The Water Services Authority refreshed its

1304
01:01:05,813 --> 01:01:09,933
Speaker 19: Drinking Water Action Plan, pushing entities to improve systems, monitor

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01:01:09,973 --> 01:01:14,093
Speaker 19: contaminants and urgently fixing issues. It's also concludes a plan

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Speaker 19: for improving fecal contamination at self supplied rural schools. Class

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Speaker 19: inquiries have come from New Zealand, Britain and Asia in

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Speaker 19: the week since the Cardrona Hotel was listed for sale.

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Speaker 19: Read more at ends at Herald Premium. Now back to

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Speaker 19: Matt and Tyler.

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Speaker 10: Forty years ago, two bombs exploded in Auckland Harbor.

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Speaker 22: Fernando went together photography Gere that's when the second bomb

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01:01:38,973 --> 01:01:39,493
Speaker 22: went off.

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Speaker 10: The explosions would be heard around the world.

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Speaker 20: Amember the crew was missing after the sinking, and his

1316
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Speaker 20: body was found by police divers late this morning.

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Speaker 15: It was a terrorist action by a friendly nation in

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Speaker 15: New Zealand and it was the end of our innocence

1319
01:01:54,333 --> 01:01:55,573
Speaker 15: because enduring the.

1320
01:01:55,733 --> 01:02:00,013
Speaker 20: Cold War and where we are told that Greenpeace has

1321
01:02:00,093 --> 01:02:02,693
Speaker 20: been infiltrated by the kinggb.

1322
01:02:02,813 --> 01:02:05,773
Speaker 22: We had no idea that that's the level or that

1323
01:02:05,933 --> 01:02:08,133
Speaker 22: the extent that France would go to.

1324
01:02:08,613 --> 01:02:11,013
Speaker 10: It's like being in the middle of a James Bond movie.

1325
01:02:11,333 --> 01:02:13,973
Speaker 10: This is a story about how states try to keep

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01:02:14,013 --> 01:02:17,973
Speaker 10: their citizens safe, about the most terrifying weapons the world

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01:02:17,973 --> 01:02:21,693
Speaker 10: has even known. It's a story about the things democracies

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Speaker 10: do in the darkness.

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Speaker 15: And so we're back to Motel for the purpose, and

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01:02:26,613 --> 01:02:31,133
Speaker 15: we wanted surveillance and use the ESIAs particular talents to

1331
01:02:31,173 --> 01:02:31,813
Speaker 15: bug the place.

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Speaker 6: From the BEGA information, I have a knowledge of who

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Speaker 6: did it, and I know from the best information I

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Speaker 6: have what it was done.

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01:02:39,333 --> 01:02:44,413
Speaker 17: Their secret agent license to kill the responsibility is the

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Speaker 17: Republic to the top to the president, and.

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Speaker 10: They were bigger French bombs in the Pacific. These effects

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01:02:51,133 --> 01:02:53,093
Speaker 10: are still being felt today.

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Speaker 1: And one of the things I tell people to go

1340
01:02:54,493 --> 01:02:55,173
Speaker 1: to the symmetry.

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01:02:55,253 --> 01:02:58,133
Speaker 15: Most of the graves are very very young babies and

1342
01:02:58,213 --> 01:02:58,853
Speaker 15: young kids.

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Speaker 1: From Bird of Paradise in the New Zealand heralds this

1344
01:03:01,733 --> 01:03:04,213
Speaker 1: is Rainbow Warrior, a Forgotten History.

1345
01:03:04,293 --> 01:03:07,613
Speaker 13: Martha looked at me and said in English, no one

1346
01:03:07,693 --> 01:03:08,893
Speaker 13: was meant to die.

1347
01:03:09,413 --> 01:03:12,933
Speaker 3: That is the trailer for the new podcast, Rainbow Warrior

1348
01:03:12,973 --> 01:03:16,293
Speaker 3: Forgotten History. It's on iHeart Radio or wherever you get

1349
01:03:16,293 --> 01:03:18,973
Speaker 3: your podcast to search for a Forgotten History. You'll find

1350
01:03:19,013 --> 01:03:21,693
Speaker 3: it at New Zealand hero dot co dot nzed forward

1351
01:03:21,773 --> 01:03:25,733
Speaker 3: slash Rainbow Warrior. It looks to be a fantastically produced

1352
01:03:26,053 --> 01:03:30,613
Speaker 3: and written documentary podcast. Noel McCarthy, very well known broadcaster,

1353
01:03:30,813 --> 01:03:31,453
Speaker 3: is a big part of that.

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Speaker 4: So give it a listen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, beautiful accent. She's got great he does.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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01:03:35,733 --> 01:03:38,053
Speaker 2: Hey, I was ten years old since my friend just

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01:03:38,053 --> 01:03:40,253
Speaker 2: texted this through to me, my friend Morgan. I was

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01:03:40,253 --> 01:03:42,413
Speaker 2: ten years old when the captain of the Rainbow Warrior

1360
01:03:42,533 --> 01:03:45,413
Speaker 2: called and said the Iffers have blown up my ship.

1361
01:03:45,573 --> 01:03:48,173
Speaker 2: The iffers have blown up my ship. I said, I'll

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01:03:48,173 --> 01:03:50,653
Speaker 2: get dad. That is one of my clearest memories. Dad

1363
01:03:50,693 --> 01:03:53,133
Speaker 2: was meant to be on board that night but wasn't

1364
01:03:53,133 --> 01:03:57,093
Speaker 2: well so stayed home. Wow, Deepers, that's close to Morg's there.

1365
01:03:57,173 --> 01:03:58,013
Speaker 2: That is Morgie.

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Speaker 4: It is all story.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for sharing, buddy, as you're still listening.

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01:04:01,773 --> 01:04:03,893
Speaker 3: Yeah, the dad would be very thankful we wasn't there.

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01:04:04,933 --> 01:04:06,933
Speaker 3: One hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

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Speaker 3: Love to hear your stories. If you were alive when

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Speaker 3: that happened, what was your feeling? Were you close to

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01:04:13,613 --> 01:04:15,693
Speaker 3: the ancient One hundred and eighteen eighty is the number to.

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Speaker 2: Call now, Ross, I understand you witnessed the bombing.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, Hi, Matt, Yeah I did. Actually, I was on

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01:04:22,253 --> 01:04:26,733
Speaker 17: the spot and I was a fellow Hawaki man at

1376
01:04:26,733 --> 01:04:30,893
Speaker 17: the time. I'd taken my flat mate into town. He

1377
01:04:31,093 --> 01:04:34,173
Speaker 17: was back in those days. There was a Shell petrol

1378
01:04:34,213 --> 01:04:37,253
Speaker 17: station down on the quay at the far End, at

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Speaker 17: Parnell End, and he was changing over the shift and

1380
01:04:41,213 --> 01:04:43,373
Speaker 17: I had a bit of time to kill so I

1381
01:04:43,453 --> 01:04:45,693
Speaker 17: dropped him off and went for a walk along the harbor.

1382
01:04:45,733 --> 01:04:49,133
Speaker 17: And my initial thought was one of the cranes had

1383
01:04:49,173 --> 01:04:51,653
Speaker 17: fallen down, you know, I have a huge cranes. Heard

1384
01:04:51,773 --> 01:04:55,373
Speaker 17: some almighty boom and turned around and there was water

1385
01:04:55,413 --> 01:04:59,253
Speaker 17: going everywhere and a boat, you know, bobbing up and

1386
01:04:59,293 --> 01:05:01,973
Speaker 17: down and starting to wallow and sink. And I thought, well,

1387
01:05:02,013 --> 01:05:06,773
Speaker 17: that's not right. So, you know, being in radio and

1388
01:05:07,293 --> 01:05:10,773
Speaker 17: thinking that way, I went and grabbed beyond the live

1389
01:05:10,893 --> 01:05:14,133
Speaker 17: cross gear and did some live obs from the spot.

1390
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Speaker 7: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Have you still got the recordings of those?

1392
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Speaker 17: No? I I gave them to the newsroom and I said,

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01:05:22,093 --> 01:05:25,573
Speaker 17: specifically to Mike Vincent at the time, keep those. I

1394
01:05:25,653 --> 01:05:28,213
Speaker 17: want a copy of those for my skype tape. And

1395
01:05:29,173 --> 01:05:31,693
Speaker 17: he didn't. They got lost in the next.

1396
01:05:31,573 --> 01:05:34,733
Speaker 2: People were so much so bad at keeping tapes back then,

1397
01:05:34,893 --> 01:05:36,653
Speaker 2: just because they had to be on tape, so people

1398
01:05:36,693 --> 01:05:39,893
Speaker 2: always recording over things and stuff. That's an absolute tragedy.

1399
01:05:40,253 --> 01:05:43,773
Speaker 2: So how are you feeling at that point, Ross, because

1400
01:05:43,773 --> 01:05:46,453
Speaker 2: you wouldn't have expected something like that to happen, you

1401
01:05:46,493 --> 01:05:47,893
Speaker 2: know in New Zealand and Auckland.

1402
01:05:49,133 --> 01:05:49,373
Speaker 21: Yeah.

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01:05:49,413 --> 01:05:53,493
Speaker 17: Look, it was quite surreal listening to the recording and

1404
01:05:53,573 --> 01:05:57,693
Speaker 17: the documentary just before I came on all that happened.

1405
01:05:57,773 --> 01:06:03,133
Speaker 17: After what I saw, I initially thought something was wrong

1406
01:06:03,173 --> 01:06:05,893
Speaker 17: with the boat or something going wrong with the engine

1407
01:06:06,013 --> 01:06:09,933
Speaker 17: or something to that effect, and you know it's not

1408
01:06:10,013 --> 01:06:11,773
Speaker 17: right that the boat set. So I did some live

1409
01:06:11,853 --> 01:06:14,413
Speaker 17: crosses about that. But then the police were a little

1410
01:06:14,453 --> 01:06:20,413
Speaker 17: bit sort of cagey about what had happened. And then

1411
01:06:22,653 --> 01:06:25,453
Speaker 17: I think four o'clock in the morning I was I

1412
01:06:25,493 --> 01:06:27,733
Speaker 17: was on air at the time. I got a call

1413
01:06:28,053 --> 01:06:31,813
Speaker 17: from the Daily Mail and he said, oh, I understand

1414
01:06:31,813 --> 01:06:35,453
Speaker 17: the Rainbow Warrior is blowing up. And I'm like, mate,

1415
01:06:35,573 --> 01:06:37,853
Speaker 17: the story hasn't even broken in New Zealand yet, how

1416
01:06:37,853 --> 01:06:40,253
Speaker 17: do you know? And how do you know what boat

1417
01:06:40,293 --> 01:06:42,973
Speaker 17: it is? And I was a bit sort of like, huh.

1418
01:06:42,693 --> 01:06:43,253
Speaker 2: What, wow?

1419
01:06:43,293 --> 01:06:46,853
Speaker 17: How do you know this? And then it all came

1420
01:06:46,893 --> 01:06:50,733
Speaker 17: out over time. It's you know, the story developed and

1421
01:06:50,773 --> 01:06:52,973
Speaker 17: I was just sitting there going wow, you know.

1422
01:06:53,733 --> 01:06:54,813
Speaker 4: Just just on there, do you reckon?

1423
01:06:54,853 --> 01:06:57,813
Speaker 3: The Daily Mail reporter might have had a source within

1424
01:06:57,853 --> 01:06:59,973
Speaker 3: the New Zealand police. I mean, that is quite phenomenal.

1425
01:07:00,293 --> 01:07:05,813
Speaker 17: No, no, but from what I gather, the British and

1426
01:07:05,853 --> 01:07:10,693
Speaker 17: Australian governments and other governments had been warned in advanced

1427
01:07:10,773 --> 01:07:13,613
Speaker 17: that this was going to happen. Whether that's true or not,

1428
01:07:13,693 --> 01:07:17,173
Speaker 17: I don't know, but it's something I heard, and it's

1429
01:07:17,213 --> 01:07:21,213
Speaker 17: certainly if he was ringing up to ask that question,

1430
01:07:21,333 --> 01:07:23,053
Speaker 17: he would have already known.

1431
01:07:23,213 --> 01:07:24,653
Speaker 23: So who knows.

1432
01:07:25,493 --> 01:07:27,773
Speaker 2: How do you feel about it all these years later,

1433
01:07:28,013 --> 01:07:31,133
Speaker 2: so forty years on to the day, having witnessed it,

1434
01:07:31,253 --> 01:07:36,013
Speaker 2: what are your feelings? And also secondary question New Zealand,

1435
01:07:36,053 --> 01:07:37,813
Speaker 2: how much has it changed in forty years? And do

1436
01:07:37,853 --> 01:07:40,613
Speaker 2: you think we would react differently now if a similar

1437
01:07:40,613 --> 01:07:46,293
Speaker 2: thing happened.

1438
01:07:45,613 --> 01:07:49,613
Speaker 17: Well, well, it's yeah, it's kind of eerie to know

1439
01:07:49,733 --> 01:07:53,213
Speaker 17: that you were there, and it's very sad that the

1440
01:07:53,213 --> 01:07:59,173
Speaker 17: photographer died. And when I was doing a live cross as,

1441
01:07:59,293 --> 01:08:01,933
Speaker 17: I was aware that they were saying someone's still on board,

1442
01:08:01,933 --> 01:08:05,213
Speaker 17: someone's still on board, and people you try to get

1443
01:08:05,213 --> 01:08:11,933
Speaker 17: on to sort that out. But yeah, I was. I

1444
01:08:11,973 --> 01:08:13,893
Speaker 17: was in Australia. I was living in Australia and I

1445
01:08:13,933 --> 01:08:18,173
Speaker 17: heard this particular ABC journalist saying that he was the

1446
01:08:18,173 --> 01:08:22,653
Speaker 17: first guy to cover a story and broadcasts from the

1447
01:08:22,733 --> 01:08:26,293
Speaker 17: Rainbow Warrior. And I was sitting in my lounge shaking

1448
01:08:26,333 --> 01:08:26,652
Speaker 17: my head.

1449
01:08:28,933 --> 01:08:33,813
Speaker 4: No, you were it was ross yeah.

1450
01:08:33,133 --> 01:08:37,612
Speaker 17: Yeah, but yeah certainly nowadays, I mean I was. I

1451
01:08:37,652 --> 01:08:40,013
Speaker 17: was pretty annoyed that we let them out and let

1452
01:08:40,053 --> 01:08:43,452
Speaker 17: them go back. I mean that was that was It

1453
01:08:43,492 --> 01:08:46,333
Speaker 17: made us look silly, I thought, But nowadays would be

1454
01:08:46,372 --> 01:08:47,253
Speaker 17: completely different.

1455
01:08:48,333 --> 01:08:50,372
Speaker 2: You think New Zealand's got more power to stand up

1456
01:08:50,412 --> 01:08:53,492
Speaker 2: for itself in twenty twenty five than it didn't know

1457
01:08:53,532 --> 01:08:54,053
Speaker 2: in ninety five.

1458
01:08:55,133 --> 01:08:55,692
Speaker 24: Oh look, I.

1459
01:08:55,692 --> 01:08:58,253
Speaker 17: Think it's got a bit more respect internationally. I don't

1460
01:08:58,293 --> 01:09:00,452
Speaker 17: know if it's got so much power, but you know,

1461
01:09:00,532 --> 01:09:04,093
Speaker 17: we are a small country and we need to realize that.

1462
01:09:04,333 --> 01:09:09,013
Speaker 17: But I think we've got a lot more respect and

1463
01:09:09,013 --> 01:09:11,532
Speaker 17: and a lot more confidence in ourselves and a lot

1464
01:09:11,572 --> 01:09:14,852
Speaker 17: more belief in ourselves. You know, we'd stand out towards

1465
01:09:14,933 --> 01:09:17,253
Speaker 17: right and we've put our foot down and say nay,

1466
01:09:17,412 --> 01:09:19,213
Speaker 17: you're not getting out, You're not you're not going to

1467
01:09:19,293 --> 01:09:19,612
Speaker 17: go away.

1468
01:09:19,812 --> 01:09:20,932
Speaker 2: Well, hey, thank you so much.

1469
01:09:21,213 --> 01:09:22,772
Speaker 17: I think we've grown up quite a bit.

1470
01:09:22,812 --> 01:09:25,213
Speaker 2: Then, Yeah, thank you so much for your call. Ross.

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01:09:25,213 --> 01:09:27,852
Speaker 2: Always good to speak to a fellow Radiohodachy alumni.

1472
01:09:28,812 --> 01:09:32,013
Speaker 17: Exactly, all right, good to talk and we'll catch up.

1473
01:09:32,053 --> 01:09:34,732
Speaker 2: And what an amazing story. Cheers for sharing, great story,

1474
01:09:35,213 --> 01:09:37,532
Speaker 2: great New Zealand, And, Ross, Yeah, fantastic. Just on that

1475
01:09:37,612 --> 01:09:39,852
Speaker 2: last part though, would we if it was to something

1476
01:09:39,893 --> 01:09:42,452
Speaker 2: like that happen again in today's age. I don't think

1477
01:09:42,452 --> 01:09:44,692
Speaker 2: we would let if we knew who the culprits were.

1478
01:09:44,973 --> 01:09:46,652
Speaker 2: I don't think we would let them out. And what

1479
01:09:46,692 --> 01:09:49,132
Speaker 2: would the likes of the French government do in that instance.

1480
01:09:49,253 --> 01:09:49,612
Speaker 4: Nothing?

1481
01:09:49,973 --> 01:09:52,372
Speaker 3: Nothing, They wouldn't start a war over that situation, you

1482
01:09:52,412 --> 01:09:52,852
Speaker 3: know what I mean?

1483
01:09:53,093 --> 01:09:57,053
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I wonder with you know, media as it

1484
01:09:57,133 --> 01:10:00,612
Speaker 2: is today, you can you could control you know, there'd

1485
01:10:00,612 --> 01:10:04,452
Speaker 2: be more more voices complaining about it internationally. Yeah, I mean,

1486
01:10:04,492 --> 01:10:09,572
Speaker 2: it's it's hard to comprehend how crazy that is that

1487
01:10:09,853 --> 01:10:15,253
Speaker 2: France is. I keep saying an ally sent operatives to

1488
01:10:15,772 --> 01:10:20,213
Speaker 2: blow up a boat in New Zealand. It's crazy, mad times, Yeah,

1489
01:10:20,213 --> 01:10:22,692
Speaker 2: mad times. Oh, I mean, it'd be crazy enough if

1490
01:10:22,732 --> 01:10:25,372
Speaker 2: it was an enemy that did it exactly. Oh one

1491
01:10:25,412 --> 01:10:27,492
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty ten eighties number to call it is

1492
01:10:27,692 --> 01:10:28,492
Speaker 2: sixteen to three.

1493
01:10:28,532 --> 01:10:32,013
Speaker 1: Back in a month, the issues that affect you and

1494
01:10:32,133 --> 01:10:34,293
Speaker 1: a bit have fun along the way. Madd Heath and

1495
01:10:34,333 --> 01:10:37,732
Speaker 1: Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talk said, be through.

1496
01:10:37,572 --> 01:10:38,412
Speaker 4: A good afternoon to you.

1497
01:10:38,492 --> 01:10:40,612
Speaker 3: It is fourteen to three and we're talking about forty

1498
01:10:40,692 --> 01:10:43,012
Speaker 3: years to the day since the Rainbow Warrior bombing.

1499
01:10:43,053 --> 01:10:44,092
Speaker 4: Love to hear your thoughts.

1500
01:10:45,013 --> 01:10:46,173
Speaker 2: Sorry, you go, no, no, you.

1501
01:10:46,372 --> 01:10:47,452
Speaker 4: I was just going to say love to you, your

1502
01:10:47,452 --> 01:10:48,532
Speaker 4: thoughts if you were alive then.

1503
01:10:48,572 --> 01:10:51,212
Speaker 3: But even if you weren't alive, if you're younger twenty thirty,

1504
01:10:51,612 --> 01:10:54,452
Speaker 3: what do you make of of the p lava around

1505
01:10:54,933 --> 01:10:56,252
Speaker 3: the rainbow warrior situation?

1506
01:10:56,492 --> 01:10:59,253
Speaker 2: Yeah? Is it just old history? It's interesting. I was

1507
01:10:59,293 --> 01:11:02,412
Speaker 2: asking my kids about nine to eleven. You know, one

1508
01:11:02,412 --> 01:11:05,172
Speaker 2: of them is fifteen. Yeah, and it just seems mythical

1509
01:11:05,213 --> 01:11:07,013
Speaker 2: to him. It doesn't really mean much to him. It's like,

1510
01:11:07,053 --> 01:11:09,932
Speaker 2: what happened, It's amazing quickly has three moves on. So

1511
01:11:10,173 --> 01:11:11,852
Speaker 2: if you're in your twenties or thirties, do you does

1512
01:11:11,853 --> 01:11:14,213
Speaker 2: this mean anything to you at all? This is a

1513
01:11:14,293 --> 01:11:16,213
Speaker 2: very good point that this text makes. Guys. The worst

1514
01:11:16,213 --> 01:11:18,932
Speaker 2: part of it is Kiwis and the Pacific Islands were

1515
01:11:18,973 --> 01:11:22,333
Speaker 2: being exposed to toxic radiation from the tests. So no

1516
01:11:22,452 --> 01:11:24,893
Speaker 2: wonder how many of our parents generation and diet of

1517
01:11:24,933 --> 01:11:27,852
Speaker 2: cancer from a radiation poisoning, and whether it's still taking

1518
01:11:27,973 --> 01:11:29,253
Speaker 2: a bit of us now, A bit of a tot

1519
01:11:29,293 --> 01:11:30,892
Speaker 2: of us now. I'm not sure about their second half

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Speaker 2: of it, but yeah, I mean, I'm saying it's insane

1521
01:11:34,173 --> 01:11:39,213
Speaker 2: that that they blow up a boat put limpet mines

1522
01:11:39,213 --> 01:11:42,772
Speaker 2: on a boat in Auckland Harbor. It's incredibly insane that

1523
01:11:42,812 --> 01:11:46,852
Speaker 2: they were letting off yukes in the Pacific. Yeah, which

1524
01:11:46,893 --> 01:11:49,012
Speaker 2: was the reason for all those protests in the first place.

1525
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Speaker 3: Rod Welcome to the show, Rod kid a Rodney, Roddy

1526
01:11:56,013 --> 01:11:59,253
Speaker 3: Rod Rod Rods Come on.

1527
01:11:59,253 --> 01:12:03,173
Speaker 4: Roddy Snap, Okay, Rod's Rod's dropped off. We'll come back

1528
01:12:03,173 --> 01:12:03,692
Speaker 4: to Rod.

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01:12:03,572 --> 01:12:07,012
Speaker 2: Rowdy, Roddy Piper. Stephen welcome to the show.

1530
01:12:07,572 --> 01:12:12,532
Speaker 17: Hey mate him. Just the small thing I remember about it.

1531
01:12:12,973 --> 01:12:16,692
Speaker 11: I was at Police College in nineteen eighty five as

1532
01:12:16,772 --> 01:12:21,372
Speaker 11: a fresh recruit and the recruit wing in front of us,

1533
01:12:21,853 --> 01:12:23,932
Speaker 11: so they'd been there a few weeks longer than us.

1534
01:12:24,732 --> 01:12:26,852
Speaker 11: There was a young man in there training to be

1535
01:12:26,933 --> 01:12:31,652
Speaker 11: a police officer that was a Frenchman, and when the

1536
01:12:31,732 --> 01:12:34,692
Speaker 11: Rainbow Warrior happened, he had only done a few weeks

1537
01:12:34,692 --> 01:12:38,173
Speaker 11: at college. From memory, he was pulled out of the classroom,

1538
01:12:39,133 --> 01:12:43,253
Speaker 11: sworn in quick graduation for just him, and he was

1539
01:12:43,293 --> 01:12:47,133
Speaker 11: shipped up to Auckland as a interpreter for the rest

1540
01:12:47,213 --> 01:12:48,092
Speaker 11: of the case.

1541
01:12:48,293 --> 01:12:48,572
Speaker 4: Wow.

1542
01:12:49,652 --> 01:12:52,892
Speaker 3: So was that at all awkward for that particular recruit,

1543
01:12:52,933 --> 01:12:55,093
Speaker 3: do you think, or the fact that he took that

1544
01:12:55,213 --> 01:12:58,852
Speaker 3: on and became the translator, absolved him of any sort

1545
01:12:58,893 --> 01:13:00,652
Speaker 3: of association with the government.

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01:13:02,652 --> 01:13:05,772
Speaker 11: No. I just think they realized there was somebody quite

1547
01:13:05,853 --> 01:13:09,293
Speaker 11: useful sitting in at police college to train to be

1548
01:13:09,333 --> 01:13:13,572
Speaker 11: a policeman, and they needed him straight away because of

1549
01:13:13,612 --> 01:13:16,213
Speaker 11: the ex the language barriers.

1550
01:13:16,532 --> 01:13:19,412
Speaker 4: Did you have much to do with him when you're

1551
01:13:19,452 --> 01:13:20,132
Speaker 4: at police college?

1552
01:13:20,173 --> 01:13:23,173
Speaker 11: Did you have conversations but just starting to get to

1553
01:13:23,213 --> 01:13:25,452
Speaker 11: know the guy and suddenly he does a few weeks

1554
01:13:25,532 --> 01:13:27,133
Speaker 11: here and graduates and he's gone.

1555
01:13:27,293 --> 01:13:29,972
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I wonder how he felt about it, whether

1556
01:13:30,093 --> 01:13:32,133
Speaker 3: because a lot of people have texted and it was

1557
01:13:32,532 --> 01:13:34,652
Speaker 3: by orders of the French government, of the president at

1558
01:13:34,692 --> 01:13:37,852
Speaker 3: the time. The French people, as I understand it, were

1559
01:13:37,973 --> 01:13:42,772
Speaker 3: quite astonished and horrified by what had happened in New

1560
01:13:42,853 --> 01:13:45,093
Speaker 3: Zealand with the bombing. Did you get any sense from

1561
01:13:45,173 --> 01:13:47,333
Speaker 3: him when you had a conversation with him or not

1562
01:13:47,412 --> 01:13:49,813
Speaker 3: he had been whipped out by that stage.

1563
01:13:49,853 --> 01:13:50,612
Speaker 9: He's whipped out.

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01:13:50,652 --> 01:13:52,812
Speaker 11: He was gone and we were wondering where he was

1565
01:13:52,853 --> 01:13:55,333
Speaker 11: and we found out that they really needed him.

1566
01:13:56,572 --> 01:14:00,772
Speaker 2: As a police officer going forward. How did you think

1567
01:14:00,933 --> 01:14:04,653
Speaker 2: the New Zealand stood up to the challenge of investigating

1568
01:14:05,372 --> 01:14:08,053
Speaker 2: investigating the crime, because I think that France thought we

1569
01:14:08,412 --> 01:14:10,732
Speaker 2: didn't have much going on. But I think, you know,

1570
01:14:10,772 --> 01:14:13,692
Speaker 2: do you think that that we we surprised them with

1571
01:14:13,692 --> 01:14:16,093
Speaker 2: with what we could do in terms of investigation.

1572
01:14:16,452 --> 01:14:19,772
Speaker 11: Between the police and the New Zealand public. That that

1573
01:14:19,853 --> 01:14:22,852
Speaker 11: case still to this day people say was solved by

1574
01:14:22,893 --> 01:14:25,892
Speaker 11: the New Zealand public. Why is that boat there? Why

1575
01:14:25,893 --> 01:14:28,773
Speaker 11: are those people doing that? Everyone was ringing.

1576
01:14:28,492 --> 01:14:32,372
Speaker 2: In Yeah, and the essays s was involved as well,

1577
01:14:32,412 --> 01:14:34,013
Speaker 2: weren't they in the back end?

1578
01:14:34,053 --> 01:14:38,053
Speaker 11: I understand, Yep, there was lots, There was lots going on.

1579
01:14:38,692 --> 01:14:42,772
Speaker 2: Yeah. And how did you have a long career in

1580
01:14:42,812 --> 01:14:43,573
Speaker 2: the police.

1581
01:14:45,253 --> 01:14:46,133
Speaker 9: About ten years?

1582
01:14:46,412 --> 01:14:46,492
Speaker 16: Oh?

1583
01:14:46,612 --> 01:14:50,052
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, and and what do you do now? Stephen?

1584
01:14:51,333 --> 01:14:52,333
Speaker 9: Drive milk tankers?

1585
01:14:53,093 --> 01:14:55,572
Speaker 2: Good on you? Yeah, yeah, well thanks for your call, buddy.

1586
01:14:55,572 --> 01:14:56,133
Speaker 2: I appreciate it.

1587
01:14:56,253 --> 01:14:57,173
Speaker 4: Fascinating story.

1588
01:14:57,253 --> 01:14:59,932
Speaker 2: We need people driving milk tankers, absolutely, we do drives

1589
01:14:59,973 --> 01:15:00,492
Speaker 2: this country.

1590
01:15:01,053 --> 01:15:02,812
Speaker 4: It is nine to three.

1591
01:15:02,853 --> 01:15:04,652
Speaker 3: We've got plenty of calls to get to, but we're

1592
01:15:04,652 --> 01:15:06,732
Speaker 3: got to play some messages and a few techs coming

1593
01:15:06,772 --> 01:15:07,652
Speaker 3: through as well.

1594
01:15:07,812 --> 01:15:11,693
Speaker 4: Back very shortly. You're listening to Matt and Tyler, the issues.

1595
01:15:11,333 --> 01:15:13,532
Speaker 1: That affect you and a bit of fun along the

1596
01:15:13,572 --> 01:15:17,613
Speaker 1: way Matt Heathen Tayler Adams Afternoons used talk said.

1597
01:15:17,333 --> 01:15:20,173
Speaker 2: Be recruit was on Carrie's show this morning.

1598
01:15:20,293 --> 01:15:22,893
Speaker 3: He was a Jacques I believe his name was. So

1599
01:15:22,933 --> 01:15:24,572
Speaker 3: we'll see if we can find that conversation and play

1600
01:15:24,612 --> 01:15:27,412
Speaker 3: a little bit of that what Carrey asked of Jacques,

1601
01:15:27,452 --> 01:15:28,532
Speaker 3: the French policeman in question.

1602
01:15:28,772 --> 01:15:32,412
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you can go and listen to Carey's full

1603
01:15:32,412 --> 01:15:35,532
Speaker 2: show podcast. We'll go to the news Talk HEIDB website

1604
01:15:35,572 --> 01:15:36,933
Speaker 2: and you'll be able to go back and listen to

1605
01:15:36,973 --> 01:15:40,453
Speaker 2: that chat if you want. It sounds very very interesting. Absolutely,

1606
01:15:40,853 --> 01:15:43,692
Speaker 2: I missed it. Yeah, phenomenous to carry, but I miss it.

1607
01:15:43,732 --> 01:15:46,093
Speaker 2: But you know, Kurre isn't nationwide in the morning, so

1608
01:15:46,133 --> 01:15:46,772
Speaker 2: you might have missed it.

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01:15:46,812 --> 01:15:51,892
Speaker 4: As well, so you know, go and winkle that out, yep. Ellen.

1610
01:15:52,412 --> 01:15:55,012
Speaker 4: What's your thoughts about what happened in nineteen eighty five?

1611
01:15:56,053 --> 01:15:59,053
Speaker 20: Yeah, yeah, I was. I was in business in Auckland.

1612
01:15:59,133 --> 01:16:03,013
Speaker 20: I was about twenty what was I twenty five or

1613
01:16:03,013 --> 01:16:04,612
Speaker 20: twenty six or something like that, and I remember it

1614
01:16:04,612 --> 01:16:07,452
Speaker 20: happening and I was actually I had a business, had

1615
01:16:07,532 --> 01:16:13,572
Speaker 20: dealt with sides of the whole equation and my contracts

1616
01:16:13,572 --> 01:16:16,213
Speaker 20: with Pugeot fell over. They couldn't sell the car for

1617
01:16:16,293 --> 01:16:20,933
Speaker 20: six months. But the groundswell of bad feeling was just

1618
01:16:21,492 --> 01:16:24,253
Speaker 20: it grew over a week after rainbell worry, everyone was like,

1619
01:16:24,253 --> 01:16:26,253
Speaker 20: oh wow, that was amazing, and then within a week

1620
01:16:26,293 --> 01:16:30,412
Speaker 20: it was like man if France, you know, So that

1621
01:16:30,612 --> 01:16:33,932
Speaker 20: was the the The effect it had in New Zealand

1622
01:16:34,013 --> 01:16:36,133
Speaker 20: was enormous, but the effect it had in France as

1623
01:16:36,133 --> 01:16:40,253
Speaker 20: well was huge. It brought down the government. Never forget that,

1624
01:16:40,372 --> 01:16:43,133
Speaker 20: you know. The French public took at the heart when

1625
01:16:43,133 --> 01:16:45,013
Speaker 20: they found out a submarine had been sent to the

1626
01:16:45,053 --> 01:16:47,652
Speaker 20: South Pacific to retrieve the you know, the crew off

1627
01:16:47,692 --> 01:16:51,852
Speaker 20: the boat, and the whole thing was such a giant scheme.

1628
01:16:53,053 --> 01:16:55,173
Speaker 20: The French public were a poored that. I've been to

1629
01:16:55,213 --> 01:16:59,932
Speaker 20: France a few times since then and there's hardly been

1630
01:16:59,933 --> 01:17:01,972
Speaker 20: a day go past in France where somebody had said,

1631
01:17:02,173 --> 01:17:05,412
Speaker 20: noubis alone. You know, this puture. They're very very sorry,

1632
01:17:05,412 --> 01:17:08,412
Speaker 20: they're very very sorry, but they even now.

1633
01:17:08,853 --> 01:17:12,933
Speaker 2: Even now, and we can't and you can't blame the

1634
01:17:13,013 --> 01:17:15,372
Speaker 2: people for the actions of the government. I think people

1635
01:17:15,372 --> 01:17:17,412
Speaker 2: would forget that that too often.

1636
01:17:17,492 --> 01:17:21,333
Speaker 20: The d g S was gutted, was absolutely gutted from

1637
01:17:21,372 --> 01:17:23,812
Speaker 20: top to bottom. Everybody who knew what was going on

1638
01:17:23,933 --> 01:17:26,132
Speaker 20: was tracked out good in their ears. And that doesn't

1639
01:17:26,213 --> 01:17:27,412
Speaker 20: that doesn't happen in France.

1640
01:17:27,612 --> 01:17:29,053
Speaker 2: And do you think do you think that was that

1641
01:17:29,452 --> 01:17:33,372
Speaker 2: was from a place of appreciation of you know, New Zealanders,

1642
01:17:33,732 --> 01:17:35,852
Speaker 2: you know, losing their lives and going in there to

1643
01:17:36,213 --> 01:17:38,532
Speaker 2: fight for France and World War Two.

1644
01:17:39,812 --> 01:17:39,852
Speaker 15: No.

1645
01:17:40,013 --> 01:17:42,213
Speaker 20: I've had this discussion with several French and I've got

1646
01:17:42,253 --> 01:17:45,532
Speaker 20: a very good friend in France and she's says scientist.

1647
01:17:45,572 --> 01:17:48,732
Speaker 20: But she said to me, no, I asked her the

1648
01:17:48,812 --> 01:17:52,733
Speaker 20: same question and she said, no, it was a disgust

1649
01:17:52,933 --> 01:17:56,213
Speaker 20: at our own few brisks.

1650
01:17:56,853 --> 01:17:59,852
Speaker 4: I mean that is I mean that is nice. Yeah,

1651
01:17:59,933 --> 01:18:01,013
Speaker 4: that is uh.

1652
01:18:01,133 --> 01:18:03,692
Speaker 3: And I you know, as someone who wasn't born at

1653
01:18:03,692 --> 01:18:06,173
Speaker 3: the time and have only gone on what I've read,

1654
01:18:07,293 --> 01:18:10,253
Speaker 3: that was my suspicion of of how the French people felt,

1655
01:18:10,452 --> 01:18:14,492
Speaker 3: because it was so anti what the French people stood for,

1656
01:18:14,812 --> 01:18:16,932
Speaker 3: you know, as Matt said, it was only forty forty

1657
01:18:17,013 --> 01:18:20,213
Speaker 3: years that we fought alongside them in Europe and then

1658
01:18:20,532 --> 01:18:23,692
Speaker 3: for the government to turn around and do that, well.

1659
01:18:23,532 --> 01:18:26,412
Speaker 20: My impression is that they were appalled. Aparts from the

1660
01:18:26,612 --> 01:18:30,652
Speaker 20: very very severely right wing types, they were absolutely appalled,

1661
01:18:31,173 --> 01:18:35,732
Speaker 20: but I had an interesting little occasion occur on a

1662
01:18:35,812 --> 01:18:37,253
Speaker 20: train going EA.

1663
01:18:37,692 --> 01:18:39,732
Speaker 2: Sorry mate, we really want to hear that, but we're

1664
01:18:39,812 --> 01:18:41,812
Speaker 2: absolutely out of time, so we'll keep this type going

1665
01:18:41,853 --> 01:18:43,732
Speaker 2: on after the news because I got so many calls

1666
01:18:43,732 --> 01:18:44,253
Speaker 2: coming through.

1667
01:18:44,492 --> 01:18:47,772
Speaker 3: Absolutely and the policeman and question. The French policeman has

1668
01:18:47,812 --> 01:18:49,572
Speaker 3: given us a course, so we'll chat with them very shortly.

1669
01:18:51,893 --> 01:18:55,772
Speaker 1: Your new home are in stateful and entertaining talk. It's

1670
01:18:55,812 --> 01:18:59,972
Speaker 1: Mattie and Taylor Adams Afternoards on news Talk Sabby.

1671
01:19:02,253 --> 01:19:05,293
Speaker 10: Forty years ago, two bombs exploded in Auckland Harbor.

1672
01:19:05,692 --> 01:19:09,053
Speaker 22: Fernando went to get his photography gear that when the

1673
01:19:09,213 --> 01:19:10,493
Speaker 22: second bomb.

1674
01:19:10,213 --> 01:19:13,293
Speaker 10: Went off, the explosions would be heard around the world.

1675
01:19:13,412 --> 01:19:15,532
Speaker 20: I remember the crew was missing after the sinking and

1676
01:19:15,572 --> 01:19:18,132
Speaker 20: his body was found by police Davis Date this morning.

1677
01:19:18,372 --> 01:19:22,093
Speaker 15: It was a terrorist action by a friendly nation and

1678
01:19:22,213 --> 01:19:24,013
Speaker 15: it was the end of our innocence.

1679
01:19:24,293 --> 01:19:26,652
Speaker 2: It's like being in the middle of a James Bond movie.

1680
01:19:26,853 --> 01:19:30,852
Speaker 10: It's a story about the things democracies do in the darkness.

1681
01:19:31,133 --> 01:19:33,852
Speaker 6: From the best information I have anage of who did it,

1682
01:19:34,253 --> 01:19:38,012
Speaker 6: and I know from the beast information I have was done.

1683
01:19:38,213 --> 01:19:41,092
Speaker 4: The secret agent License to kill.

1684
01:19:41,492 --> 01:19:44,852
Speaker 16: MafA looked at me and said in English, no one

1685
01:19:44,893 --> 01:19:46,852
Speaker 16: was meant to die.

1686
01:19:47,772 --> 01:19:51,372
Speaker 2: Listen to a Rainbow Warrior A Forgotten History on iHeartRadio

1687
01:19:51,452 --> 01:19:53,932
Speaker 2: or whether you get your podcasts search for a Forgotten

1688
01:19:53,973 --> 01:19:56,492
Speaker 2: History or find it at enz hero dot Cota and

1689
01:19:56,572 --> 01:19:58,932
Speaker 2: zed Ford slash Rainbow Warrior.

1690
01:19:59,133 --> 01:20:01,412
Speaker 3: Yes, and that is what we're talking about right now,

1691
01:20:01,452 --> 01:20:03,492
Speaker 3: forty years to the day since the bombing of the

1692
01:20:03,572 --> 01:20:07,012
Speaker 3: Rainbow Warrior. Your thoughts, your recollections. If you weren't born

1693
01:20:07,612 --> 01:20:09,372
Speaker 3: when it happened, I would love to hear how you think

1694
01:20:09,412 --> 01:20:12,412
Speaker 3: about that incident now that you've read up on it

1695
01:20:12,452 --> 01:20:16,492
Speaker 3: and understand potentially what had happened. I one hundred and

1696
01:20:16,492 --> 01:20:18,412
Speaker 3: eighteen eighty is the number to call now. Before the

1697
01:20:18,452 --> 01:20:20,732
Speaker 3: news we were having a chet to Allen.

1698
01:20:21,253 --> 01:20:23,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. Sorry Ellen, we had to cut you

1699
01:20:23,213 --> 01:20:24,452
Speaker 2: off the news around out of time. But you were

1700
01:20:24,492 --> 01:20:27,293
Speaker 2: about to tell us quite an amazing story around this

1701
01:20:27,333 --> 01:20:30,772
Speaker 2: whole Rainbow Warriors situation. And someone you meet years later.

1702
01:20:31,652 --> 01:20:35,333
Speaker 7: Yep, Hello, yeah, yep.

1703
01:20:35,532 --> 01:20:37,492
Speaker 3: You pick up on that, Allan, So what happened? Who

1704
01:20:37,492 --> 01:20:38,933
Speaker 3: did you meet in front?

1705
01:20:39,333 --> 01:20:42,492
Speaker 20: Ah, this is just a bizarre story. I was on

1706
01:20:42,532 --> 01:20:44,852
Speaker 20: a train. This is eight years ago. To figure it out.

1707
01:20:44,893 --> 01:20:47,692
Speaker 20: It was eight years ago and ten years ago to

1708
01:20:47,732 --> 01:20:53,092
Speaker 20: continue to go. Yeah, and I'm going down from Paris

1709
01:20:53,253 --> 01:20:57,452
Speaker 20: to Lose and in the Rower carriages there there's like

1710
01:20:57,612 --> 01:21:00,253
Speaker 20: one seat, a little coffee tab or thing where you

1711
01:21:00,253 --> 01:21:02,293
Speaker 20: can face each other on one top of a carriage,

1712
01:21:02,293 --> 01:21:06,612
Speaker 20: and then they're there four or six e units in

1713
01:21:06,772 --> 01:21:09,012
Speaker 20: sort of tubby holes on the out of the carriage.

1714
01:21:09,013 --> 01:21:11,333
Speaker 20: So I'm sitting on mind having a nice glass of

1715
01:21:11,333 --> 01:21:14,452
Speaker 20: wine and larvae, and I'm looking at this woman that

1716
01:21:14,532 --> 01:21:17,053
Speaker 20: I saw that you walked on board and looked at

1717
01:21:17,053 --> 01:21:19,452
Speaker 20: her hood. I know you from so many you know.

1718
01:21:19,452 --> 01:21:22,092
Speaker 20: It was one of those things that she was looking

1719
01:21:22,133 --> 01:21:24,692
Speaker 20: at me. But she she she saw that I was

1720
01:21:24,692 --> 01:21:27,732
Speaker 20: looking at her. We were facing each other down the carriage,

1721
01:21:27,772 --> 01:21:29,892
Speaker 20: about three seats away from each other. And then I

1722
01:21:29,893 --> 01:21:33,972
Speaker 20: got talking to a family next door, again facing backwards

1723
01:21:33,973 --> 01:21:36,053
Speaker 20: down the carriage towards her, and she was holding a

1724
01:21:36,133 --> 01:21:38,333
Speaker 20: book up that she was mock reading. She kept glancing

1725
01:21:38,333 --> 01:21:40,692
Speaker 20: over the book of she must know me whatever, and

1726
01:21:40,732 --> 01:21:44,812
Speaker 20: there was something ranking a little bit and uh so

1727
01:21:44,853 --> 01:21:47,452
Speaker 20: I was sitting talking to these people and were they

1728
01:21:47,612 --> 01:21:51,972
Speaker 20: raised the back the subject of the Rainbow Warrior and

1729
01:21:52,053 --> 01:21:54,812
Speaker 20: I were apologizing, and we had a great talk about

1730
01:21:54,853 --> 01:21:56,652
Speaker 20: New Zealand. He and she they had the kids with

1731
01:21:56,732 --> 01:22:01,452
Speaker 20: the backpack in New Zealand years before it. And then

1732
01:22:01,893 --> 01:22:04,812
Speaker 20: that she heard my voice off a woman down the

1733
01:22:05,293 --> 01:22:07,253
Speaker 20: and she heard my voice and I was talking in

1734
01:22:07,333 --> 01:22:10,932
Speaker 20: English about New Zealan and she very quickly got up,

1735
01:22:11,612 --> 01:22:17,213
Speaker 20: packed the stuff and headed it. Ellen.

1736
01:22:17,293 --> 01:22:19,133
Speaker 3: Sorry, sorry, you just you just cut out at a

1737
01:22:19,133 --> 01:22:20,692
Speaker 3: critical moment, so just pick up that.

1738
01:22:20,893 --> 01:22:22,172
Speaker 4: So they heard your accent.

1739
01:22:22,253 --> 01:22:22,692
Speaker 25: Carry on.

1740
01:22:24,333 --> 01:22:26,412
Speaker 20: This woman heard my accent and the fact I was

1741
01:22:26,412 --> 01:22:29,093
Speaker 20: from New zeald because we were speaking mostly in English,

1742
01:22:29,133 --> 01:22:31,532
Speaker 20: and she just high tailed and packed up a gear,

1743
01:22:31,692 --> 01:22:36,452
Speaker 20: you know, and back down to the next carriage. Down

1744
01:22:36,492 --> 01:22:39,893
Speaker 20: to the second class carriage is quite funny. And I

1745
01:22:40,093 --> 01:22:42,013
Speaker 20: and the penny dropped. It was Dominique for.

1746
01:22:44,572 --> 01:22:45,973
Speaker 2: One of the two dominants.

1747
01:22:46,732 --> 01:22:48,973
Speaker 20: Yeah, I'm not kidding here. This is such a And

1748
01:22:49,053 --> 01:22:50,572
Speaker 20: I turned her to the people and I said, what's

1749
01:22:50,612 --> 01:22:52,812
Speaker 20: going on? Who was at it? And I said, I

1750
01:22:52,853 --> 01:22:55,772
Speaker 20: think that was Dominique for ye And the woman turned

1751
01:22:55,812 --> 01:22:59,572
Speaker 20: around and said I saw her. And they were just

1752
01:23:00,053 --> 01:23:04,092
Speaker 20: their their boys, their their faces, just their jaws that dropped.

1753
01:23:04,492 --> 01:23:06,572
Speaker 20: They were just like, we don't believe that.

1754
01:23:06,612 --> 01:23:10,293
Speaker 2: Just happened dominant. Every time she's on a he's a

1755
01:23:10,372 --> 01:23:14,852
Speaker 2: kiwi excellent, she picks up a yeah, took.

1756
01:23:14,893 --> 01:23:18,372
Speaker 20: To be honest, I would have quite liked to have

1757
01:23:18,933 --> 01:23:21,892
Speaker 20: put my victrail aside and had to talk to her. Yeah,

1758
01:23:23,013 --> 01:23:26,293
Speaker 20: you know, it would have been very, very enlightening because

1759
01:23:26,372 --> 01:23:29,812
Speaker 20: those who hey, they weren't just soldiers doing the job.

1760
01:23:30,213 --> 01:23:32,293
Speaker 20: So so were those Nazis that meurt of those people

1761
01:23:32,293 --> 01:23:34,372
Speaker 20: in the village I was talking about half an hour ago.

1762
01:23:34,652 --> 01:23:39,133
Speaker 20: You know, there's no excuse in there. It's kind of thing,

1763
01:23:39,293 --> 01:23:43,892
Speaker 20: but it happens. It happened, and the people that should

1764
01:23:43,893 --> 01:23:49,652
Speaker 20: have swung didn't. The president, the head of the he's won,

1765
01:23:49,692 --> 01:23:51,772
Speaker 20: but he didn't get done for murder. And he was

1766
01:23:51,853 --> 01:23:55,012
Speaker 20: he was in charge of a murder, no doubt about it, etcetera.

1767
01:23:55,652 --> 01:23:57,572
Speaker 20: You gotta put your hands and put yourself in the

1768
01:23:57,572 --> 01:23:58,532
Speaker 20: position of longing too.

1769
01:23:58,812 --> 01:23:59,213
Speaker 7: He's ill.

1770
01:23:59,253 --> 01:24:02,932
Speaker 20: It was just coming out of that Russian of being

1771
01:24:02,973 --> 01:24:06,692
Speaker 20: repelled by the EU for our dairy and lamb sales,

1772
01:24:06,692 --> 01:24:09,932
Speaker 20: et cetera. And I believe it was going to cost

1773
01:24:10,053 --> 01:24:14,372
Speaker 20: US ten or twelve percent of economy shut us out,

1774
01:24:14,572 --> 01:24:17,852
Speaker 20: and France had the keys to lock us out. Longly

1775
01:24:18,053 --> 01:24:22,612
Speaker 20: was between her. You know, it really was disgusting what.

1776
01:24:22,532 --> 01:24:24,412
Speaker 2: They did, but yeah, it was. Yeah, thank you so

1777
01:24:24,492 --> 01:24:27,892
Speaker 2: much for you call Alan. Yeah, I gotta say Dominic Prierre.

1778
01:24:28,013 --> 01:24:31,213
Speaker 2: She's a very distinctive looking person. She looks a little

1779
01:24:31,253 --> 01:24:34,452
Speaker 2: bit like is it glad Ys from Heidi High that

1780
01:24:35,572 --> 01:24:37,732
Speaker 2: SOMETIMEE might be able to help me out there? Is

1781
01:24:37,772 --> 01:24:40,532
Speaker 2: it Sue Pollard the actress? I don't know anyway, she's

1782
01:24:40,572 --> 01:24:46,293
Speaker 2: quite a distinctive looking person. She looks very very French spyish. Yeah,

1783
01:24:46,452 --> 01:24:47,052
Speaker 2: Dominic Priyer.

1784
01:24:47,093 --> 01:24:48,932
Speaker 3: I wonder how famous they were back in France though,

1785
01:24:48,973 --> 01:24:51,612
Speaker 3: when they returned to so called normal life, they must

1786
01:24:51,692 --> 01:24:53,133
Speaker 3: have got recognized in the street.

1787
01:24:53,213 --> 01:24:53,612
Speaker 12: Surely.

1788
01:24:54,692 --> 01:24:57,652
Speaker 2: I was once in a lift in Los Angeles with

1789
01:24:58,492 --> 01:25:02,612
Speaker 2: Elton John. But I think I think Dominic Preyer is

1790
01:25:02,612 --> 01:25:04,092
Speaker 2: probably a better celebrity spotting.

1791
01:25:04,572 --> 01:25:06,892
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, well a more interesting one, a great story.

1792
01:25:06,973 --> 01:25:08,493
Speaker 2: I probably not a celebrity.

1793
01:25:09,013 --> 01:25:11,093
Speaker 4: Oh one hundred and eighteen eighty is the number to

1794
01:25:11,133 --> 01:25:12,213
Speaker 4: call now? Coming up?

1795
01:25:12,253 --> 01:25:14,532
Speaker 3: After the break, A lot of people mentioned that this

1796
01:25:14,572 --> 01:25:16,932
Speaker 3: gentleman was having a chat to Kerry this morning and.

1797
01:25:16,853 --> 01:25:17,492
Speaker 4: He's called back.

1798
01:25:17,532 --> 01:25:21,092
Speaker 3: His name is Jacques Lagroux and he was the French

1799
01:25:21,133 --> 01:25:24,333
Speaker 3: former police officer at the time that came on board

1800
01:25:24,372 --> 01:25:25,772
Speaker 3: as a translator. So we're going to have a chat

1801
01:25:25,853 --> 01:25:29,732
Speaker 3: to Jacques very shortly. It is thirteen past three. Very

1802
01:25:29,772 --> 01:25:32,372
Speaker 3: good afternoon. It is sixteen past three. So, as we

1803
01:25:32,452 --> 01:25:36,012
Speaker 3: mentioned before, a gentleman called Jacques de la Greaux called

1804
01:25:36,093 --> 01:25:38,932
Speaker 3: Kerry a little bit earlier today. He was a former

1805
01:25:38,973 --> 01:25:42,253
Speaker 3: police officer French. He worked alongside New Zealand police on

1806
01:25:42,293 --> 01:25:44,652
Speaker 3: the investigation and he's given us a buzz bag. Jacques,

1807
01:25:44,732 --> 01:25:45,612
Speaker 3: very good afternoon to you.

1808
01:25:48,333 --> 01:25:50,412
Speaker 2: Thanks for calling. It sounds like your accident is still

1809
01:25:50,412 --> 01:25:53,213
Speaker 2: going strong. So you're a French guy going through the

1810
01:25:53,253 --> 01:25:55,372
Speaker 2: police college. When did you first hear it was the

1811
01:25:55,372 --> 01:25:56,932
Speaker 2: French that had bombed the Rainbow Warrior.

1812
01:25:58,412 --> 01:26:03,452
Speaker 9: Well, right from the beginning, my wing mates taking the

1813
01:26:03,572 --> 01:26:05,732
Speaker 9: mickey out of me to say, hey, Jaques, just as

1814
01:26:05,732 --> 01:26:09,652
Speaker 9: well you were here, otherwise we would blame you. But

1815
01:26:10,853 --> 01:26:14,372
Speaker 9: when I heard it and the finger was pointing towards France,

1816
01:26:14,973 --> 01:26:18,412
Speaker 9: I thought to myself they wouldn't be you know, that's

1817
01:26:18,452 --> 01:26:21,372
Speaker 9: stupid to do it. But eventually we found out that

1818
01:26:21,452 --> 01:26:26,213
Speaker 9: they did. So this is where I came into the play,

1819
01:26:26,333 --> 01:26:32,532
Speaker 9: so to speak, because the inquiry was were hampered by

1820
01:26:32,572 --> 01:26:38,013
Speaker 9: the lack of you know, linguistic abilities they were at

1821
01:26:38,013 --> 01:26:41,572
Speaker 9: the time. There was only two of us fully bi lingual,

1822
01:26:42,692 --> 01:26:46,452
Speaker 9: with Nicole, my colleague who graduated in the wing before me,

1823
01:26:47,253 --> 01:26:50,772
Speaker 9: and myself later on as well. So I was brought

1824
01:26:51,812 --> 01:26:55,933
Speaker 9: after classes during the day, I was picked up and

1825
01:26:55,973 --> 01:27:01,093
Speaker 9: went to the headquarters in Wellington and we through some

1826
01:27:01,213 --> 01:27:06,293
Speaker 9: documents which they needed to have urgent translation to see

1827
01:27:06,333 --> 01:27:08,652
Speaker 9: if it's going to be relevant or not to the

1828
01:27:08,692 --> 01:27:11,612
Speaker 9: inquiry and help in this respect.

1829
01:27:12,293 --> 01:27:14,053
Speaker 2: That's like a plot to a movie. A lot of

1830
01:27:14,053 --> 01:27:17,053
Speaker 2: movies start like that. There's a young police cadet and

1831
01:27:17,053 --> 01:27:19,532
Speaker 2: then something happens and then the helicopter's a land on

1832
01:27:19,572 --> 01:27:21,692
Speaker 2: the lawn and they're taken off to be a part

1833
01:27:21,732 --> 01:27:24,492
Speaker 2: of it. Was it an exciting time for you?

1834
01:27:26,253 --> 01:27:29,652
Speaker 9: It was a bit of an anxious time for me

1835
01:27:29,732 --> 01:27:33,173
Speaker 9: to be, to be honest, because obviously, you know, New

1836
01:27:33,253 --> 01:27:38,812
Speaker 9: Zealand was incredibly upset and for the obviously for obvious reasons,

1837
01:27:39,173 --> 01:27:42,452
Speaker 9: and I don't blend them, but you can imagine as

1838
01:27:42,452 --> 01:27:45,612
Speaker 9: a French person living in New Zealand at the time,

1839
01:27:45,692 --> 01:27:48,973
Speaker 9: although I was a Duish citizen, it's still, you know,

1840
01:27:49,492 --> 01:27:52,732
Speaker 9: an anxious time sort of speak and even more so

1841
01:27:52,853 --> 01:27:56,612
Speaker 9: when I was in the as a recruit, as a

1842
01:27:56,612 --> 01:28:01,492
Speaker 9: police officer that was sworn in it. You know, it

1843
01:28:01,612 --> 01:28:04,452
Speaker 9: was a bit of an anxious time sort of speak.

1844
01:28:04,732 --> 01:28:07,492
Speaker 9: But I had you know, I was sworn in before

1845
01:28:07,812 --> 01:28:10,412
Speaker 9: I went to college, so I had the job to

1846
01:28:10,452 --> 01:28:13,492
Speaker 9: do and there was it. I had to get on

1847
01:28:13,572 --> 01:28:13,892
Speaker 9: with it.

1848
01:28:14,933 --> 01:28:17,612
Speaker 4: Were you talking with friends and family back home at

1849
01:28:17,612 --> 01:28:19,492
Speaker 4: the time of Jacques and if you were, what was

1850
01:28:19,532 --> 01:28:21,253
Speaker 4: their feeling about what was happening.

1851
01:28:22,692 --> 01:28:26,212
Speaker 9: Well, like the majority of the French people, my parents

1852
01:28:26,253 --> 01:28:30,213
Speaker 9: were quite shocked. They were at the time. They were

1853
01:28:30,213 --> 01:28:34,293
Speaker 9: living in New Caledonia, and yes I was corresponding with them.

1854
01:28:34,333 --> 01:28:37,253
Speaker 9: But you see, I was in a very invidious situation

1855
01:28:37,452 --> 01:28:42,333
Speaker 9: whereby the police, you know, needed my make species and

1856
01:28:42,372 --> 01:28:46,253
Speaker 9: skills not only as a police officer, but also as

1857
01:28:46,293 --> 01:28:51,133
Speaker 9: a fully bilingual person because I was actually I did

1858
01:28:51,253 --> 01:28:54,412
Speaker 9: teach French in New Zealand and Totago University at the

1859
01:28:54,452 --> 01:29:00,053
Speaker 9: time as well. So it was tricky because in one respect,

1860
01:29:00,732 --> 01:29:06,652
Speaker 9: the New Zealand sis I recall the who was working

1861
01:29:06,772 --> 01:29:11,932
Speaker 9: very closely with Brenton and Alan Galbraith. We're looking at

1862
01:29:11,933 --> 01:29:16,173
Speaker 9: me sideways wondering, well, he's either real deal? Is you're

1863
01:29:16,213 --> 01:29:19,773
Speaker 9: going to work for us or is he another digc

1864
01:29:20,572 --> 01:29:26,973
Speaker 9: wow if you will. Yeah, I recall that my correspondence

1865
01:29:27,013 --> 01:29:29,492
Speaker 9: with my parents. I was newly married. I had a

1866
01:29:29,532 --> 01:29:32,372
Speaker 9: young daughter at the time, so I was writing to

1867
01:29:32,412 --> 01:29:37,133
Speaker 9: my parents in New Caledonia and my male was blatantly

1868
01:29:37,452 --> 01:29:41,253
Speaker 9: and to fail with either by the New Zealand s

1869
01:29:41,333 --> 01:29:44,892
Speaker 9: I s before leaving New Zealand. And I recall also

1870
01:29:45,293 --> 01:29:49,692
Speaker 9: from the Hoside marginie Or, which is the intelligence unit

1871
01:29:49,812 --> 01:29:53,412
Speaker 9: of France in New Caledonia. So I was in the

1872
01:29:53,692 --> 01:29:54,893
Speaker 9: no winning situation.

1873
01:29:55,333 --> 01:29:59,173
Speaker 2: Yea, well, because because we know the story now and

1874
01:29:59,173 --> 01:30:01,213
Speaker 2: looking back at all makes sense. But at that point

1875
01:30:01,213 --> 01:30:04,293
Speaker 2: there'd be huge amount of suspicion going around and the

1876
01:30:04,732 --> 01:30:08,213
Speaker 2: essays may not know how big this is, how many

1877
01:30:08,333 --> 01:30:13,412
Speaker 2: operatives have been embedded. You know, they probably you can

1878
01:30:13,492 --> 01:30:15,612
Speaker 2: sort of kind of see from their point of view

1879
01:30:15,652 --> 01:30:18,492
Speaker 2: that you may have come across as slightly suspicious.

1880
01:30:19,133 --> 01:30:23,532
Speaker 9: Oh totally. I mean I fully understood that, but as

1881
01:30:23,572 --> 01:30:27,692
Speaker 9: I said, a new recruit fresh under the police was

1882
01:30:27,812 --> 01:30:30,093
Speaker 9: quite anxious for time sort of spek.

1883
01:30:30,293 --> 01:30:32,733
Speaker 2: Did you have any pushback from just every day Kiwi's

1884
01:30:32,772 --> 01:30:35,452
Speaker 2: walking around, Because in the eighties France was the coolest

1885
01:30:35,452 --> 01:30:37,772
Speaker 2: thing in the world. There was Lispecs, there was La Tan.

1886
01:30:38,093 --> 01:30:42,093
Speaker 2: Everyone like France was the height of call. And then

1887
01:30:42,133 --> 01:30:44,772
Speaker 2: for this to happen, suddenly your French accent maybe isn't

1888
01:30:44,772 --> 01:30:48,612
Speaker 2: the same asset It was just you know, months beforehand.

1889
01:30:49,812 --> 01:30:53,572
Speaker 9: Yes, definitely, And if you recall even back at the time,

1890
01:30:53,652 --> 01:30:56,892
Speaker 9: there was some the New Zealand public was so trased.

1891
01:30:57,013 --> 01:30:59,492
Speaker 9: They both quoted a lot of.

1892
01:30:59,452 --> 01:31:02,013
Speaker 4: The French product, French fries that was called in New

1893
01:31:02,093 --> 01:31:03,572
Speaker 4: Zealand French toast.

1894
01:31:06,412 --> 01:31:12,013
Speaker 2: That kind of thing. Yeah, And so looking back on

1895
01:31:12,053 --> 01:31:14,093
Speaker 2: it now, I mean at the time, it would be

1896
01:31:14,133 --> 01:31:16,452
Speaker 2: interesting to know how you felt about your government. You

1897
01:31:16,532 --> 01:31:18,732
Speaker 2: knew your government had done that, how did you feel

1898
01:31:18,732 --> 01:31:21,692
Speaker 2: about it at the time? And forty years on looking back,

1899
01:31:22,293 --> 01:31:24,532
Speaker 2: how do you feel about what they did? And do

1900
01:31:24,612 --> 01:31:27,932
Speaker 2: you have any understandstanding of why the French were behaving

1901
01:31:27,973 --> 01:31:30,253
Speaker 2: like that at the time I was referring to before

1902
01:31:30,293 --> 01:31:32,692
Speaker 2: about you know, it's just forty years from World War

1903
01:31:32,772 --> 01:31:36,492
Speaker 2: Two when France had been occupied by the Nazis, so

1904
01:31:36,652 --> 01:31:39,093
Speaker 2: there was a certain amount of power out nea going on.

1905
01:31:39,173 --> 01:31:41,413
Speaker 2: So how did you feel then about your government? How

1906
01:31:41,452 --> 01:31:43,293
Speaker 2: do you feel now? And is there any insight you

1907
01:31:43,293 --> 01:31:45,492
Speaker 2: could give to why they were thinking that was something

1908
01:31:45,492 --> 01:31:48,532
Speaker 2: that they was even something to think about doing.

1909
01:31:49,933 --> 01:31:55,012
Speaker 9: Yeah, from personally, I sort was an incredibly scupid things

1910
01:31:55,053 --> 01:32:02,852
Speaker 9: to do. There's one to understand why. It's because it

1911
01:32:03,013 --> 01:32:06,652
Speaker 9: was one of political decisions from their highest person, the

1912
01:32:06,772 --> 01:32:10,013
Speaker 9: authority in France, which is a French president France for

1913
01:32:10,293 --> 01:32:13,612
Speaker 9: they are with the Supreme Chief of the Army. So

1914
01:32:14,013 --> 01:32:18,572
Speaker 9: and if it's been publicly acknowledged, even in front through

1915
01:32:18,572 --> 01:32:24,573
Speaker 9: the media that at one stage he said, LAMI seemwhat

1916
01:32:24,572 --> 01:32:27,532
Speaker 9: that in the army, it's me And basically whatever he

1917
01:32:27,652 --> 01:32:31,732
Speaker 9: said goes And that was the mentality, if you will,

1918
01:32:31,933 --> 01:32:37,772
Speaker 9: of of this. But I'm not going to excuse what

1919
01:32:37,853 --> 01:32:40,412
Speaker 9: they did, but you have to put it into context

1920
01:32:40,532 --> 01:32:43,092
Speaker 9: after the you know, the First World War, the Second

1921
01:32:43,093 --> 01:32:47,892
Speaker 9: World War, where New Zealand has actually fought for the

1922
01:32:48,093 --> 01:32:54,253
Speaker 9: you know, alongside the you know, French terry to free

1923
01:32:54,412 --> 01:32:58,093
Speaker 9: France from the occupation. But and this is where the

1924
01:32:58,173 --> 01:33:01,732
Speaker 9: general the goal Uh basically said well, this is not

1925
01:33:01,853 --> 01:33:05,173
Speaker 9: going to happen again. And this is why he embarked

1926
01:33:05,253 --> 01:33:10,173
Speaker 9: on the policy of getting a new Clere has a

1927
01:33:10,253 --> 01:33:14,652
Speaker 9: dissuasion weapon basically, and it carried on all the way through.

1928
01:33:16,053 --> 01:33:20,253
Speaker 9: And this is why Francois Miteon when he felt that

1929
01:33:21,093 --> 01:33:25,692
Speaker 9: after receiving some antiligence, felt that the nuclear bombing going

1930
01:33:25,732 --> 01:33:31,612
Speaker 9: on in mirror Oa were being threatened by the green Peace,

1931
01:33:31,652 --> 01:33:35,852
Speaker 9: which you know they were legitimately you know, protesting against it.

1932
01:33:36,973 --> 01:33:40,412
Speaker 9: They felt threatened in terms of having to delay things,

1933
01:33:40,492 --> 01:33:44,532
Speaker 9: et cetera. So they decided, okay, not only they going

1934
01:33:44,612 --> 01:33:48,093
Speaker 9: to stop green Peace, but they decided to think it

1935
01:33:48,652 --> 01:33:50,932
Speaker 9: to make sure that he's not going to go anywhere.

1936
01:33:51,173 --> 01:33:54,452
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you think my humiliation is not the word,

1937
01:33:54,532 --> 01:33:56,572
Speaker 2: because it's far more serious than that. But the lean

1938
01:33:56,652 --> 01:34:00,933
Speaker 2: mazanol have I pronounced that right? The Mizzano line, the

1939
01:34:01,253 --> 01:34:05,012
Speaker 2: spectacular failure of that at the start of World War

1940
01:34:05,013 --> 01:34:08,652
Speaker 2: two just made France think that they have to go

1941
01:34:08,812 --> 01:34:10,772
Speaker 2: all out on defense in the future.

1942
01:34:12,652 --> 01:34:14,812
Speaker 9: Well, and and this is why there, you know, the

1943
01:34:14,893 --> 01:34:19,572
Speaker 9: good actually promoted the the you know, to get the

1944
01:34:19,652 --> 01:34:23,812
Speaker 9: nuclear weapon to make sure Yeah, the l'alin as you know,

1945
01:34:23,933 --> 01:34:27,572
Speaker 9: is you're talking about the invasion of France were not

1946
01:34:27,652 --> 01:34:31,133
Speaker 9: going to happen again ever, and this is why they

1947
01:34:31,213 --> 01:34:35,972
Speaker 9: embarked on this, you know, getting the nuclear weapon.

1948
01:34:36,293 --> 01:34:38,532
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much for your call. Jarque it's

1949
01:34:38,532 --> 01:34:40,333
Speaker 2: so interesting. We could talk to you for one hundred hours.

1950
01:34:40,333 --> 01:34:41,732
Speaker 3: I hope you write a book, Joe, because you're going

1951
01:34:41,772 --> 01:34:42,973
Speaker 3: to a hell of a story to tell. Thank you

1952
01:34:43,093 --> 01:34:44,492
Speaker 3: very much. Right, I've got to take a break. It

1953
01:34:44,612 --> 01:34:52,132
Speaker 3: is twenty five past three.

1954
01:34:50,093 --> 01:34:53,772
Speaker 1: Mad Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty

1955
01:34:53,812 --> 01:34:55,532
Speaker 1: ten eighty on news Talk said they.

1956
01:34:55,732 --> 01:34:57,972
Speaker 3: Twenty seven pass three and we are talking about forty

1957
01:34:58,053 --> 01:34:59,572
Speaker 3: years since the bombing of the Rainbow Warrior.

1958
01:34:59,732 --> 01:35:01,053
Speaker 2: This has been a hell of a chat where we've

1959
01:35:01,093 --> 01:35:04,012
Speaker 2: had so many people have seen people have seen Dominic

1960
01:35:04,053 --> 01:35:06,732
Speaker 2: Prieer have seen them. They've talked to the Jacques who

1961
01:35:06,812 --> 01:35:10,412
Speaker 2: was the police recruit that was called in for translation

1962
01:35:10,572 --> 01:35:13,372
Speaker 2: at the time. And now we've got Sharky on the line.

1963
01:35:13,372 --> 01:35:15,092
Speaker 2: You went on the boat and saw the hole, I believe.

1964
01:35:16,973 --> 01:35:17,253
Speaker 11: Yeah.

1965
01:35:17,333 --> 01:35:20,293
Speaker 25: Well, so the night that it happened, me and my mates

1966
01:35:20,333 --> 01:35:22,253
Speaker 25: were in town and we heard it on the radio.

1967
01:35:23,173 --> 01:35:25,492
Speaker 25: Actually the guy that you were talking to before Ross

1968
01:35:25,732 --> 01:35:27,492
Speaker 25: must have been one of his mates announcing that it

1969
01:35:27,532 --> 01:35:30,213
Speaker 25: had happened, And so we shot straight down there and

1970
01:35:30,253 --> 01:35:33,012
Speaker 25: had a looked. And that was just as the police

1971
01:35:33,013 --> 01:35:35,572
Speaker 25: were kind of setting up barriers and stuff like that.

1972
01:35:36,692 --> 01:35:38,973
Speaker 25: And so we watched all that unfold and then a

1973
01:35:39,013 --> 01:35:42,733
Speaker 25: few a few months later they actually had it on display.

1974
01:35:42,812 --> 01:35:47,492
Speaker 25: You could go down to the Windham Wharf and it

1975
01:35:47,532 --> 01:35:50,333
Speaker 25: was it was tethered up there and you could go

1976
01:35:50,412 --> 01:35:52,492
Speaker 25: on board and go inside and see the hole.

1977
01:35:52,652 --> 01:35:53,532
Speaker 2: How big was the hole?

1978
01:35:55,372 --> 01:35:55,532
Speaker 25: Oh?

1979
01:35:55,572 --> 01:35:57,612
Speaker 2: They were huge, right, yeah, two holes.

1980
01:35:58,053 --> 01:35:59,772
Speaker 25: No wonder, no wonder it sunk.

1981
01:36:00,492 --> 01:36:03,173
Speaker 2: Yeah, using that maritime terms, there was a big hole

1982
01:36:03,213 --> 01:36:04,333
Speaker 2: front and back. Is that right?

1983
01:36:05,692 --> 01:36:09,892
Speaker 25: No, they were on the side the side, so it's on.

1984
01:36:09,853 --> 01:36:12,253
Speaker 2: The side, closer to the front and closer to the back,

1985
01:36:12,333 --> 01:36:14,732
Speaker 2: right yeah, yeah.

1986
01:36:14,572 --> 01:36:16,412
Speaker 25: Yeah, And I think it was around the kitchen your

1987
01:36:16,452 --> 01:36:20,492
Speaker 25: ear and that they blew and blowing it out, but yeah,

1988
01:36:20,532 --> 01:36:24,492
Speaker 25: it was, it was. It was definitely eye opening for

1989
01:36:24,612 --> 01:36:27,813
Speaker 25: a seventeen year old at that stage.

1990
01:36:27,973 --> 01:36:28,613
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1991
01:36:28,652 --> 01:36:31,412
Speaker 3: So, how long after the fact it happened did they

1992
01:36:31,452 --> 01:36:33,772
Speaker 3: open it up to the public. That blows my mind

1993
01:36:33,853 --> 01:36:35,572
Speaker 3: that it's almost hate come down and have a look

1994
01:36:35,612 --> 01:36:39,372
Speaker 3: at what happened here while an investigation and you know,

1995
01:36:39,492 --> 01:36:43,452
Speaker 3: a diploma, a diplomatic situation is unfolding around the world.

1996
01:36:44,692 --> 01:36:48,293
Speaker 25: Well tech me for quite a while before they took

1997
01:36:48,333 --> 01:36:51,572
Speaker 25: it out and used it as the reef. But yeah,

1998
01:36:51,652 --> 01:36:53,412
Speaker 25: so it was. They were sitting there quite.

1999
01:36:53,293 --> 01:36:54,293
Speaker 20: A quite a while.

2000
01:36:55,333 --> 01:36:57,452
Speaker 25: Wouldn't it be a great movie if they made the

2001
01:36:57,452 --> 01:36:59,533
Speaker 25: movie from Jump's prospective?

2002
01:37:00,133 --> 01:37:02,892
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I agree, Well that's what I was thinking before.

2003
01:37:02,973 --> 01:37:04,933
Speaker 2: It does sound like, well, you know, the the you know,

2004
01:37:04,973 --> 01:37:06,973
Speaker 2: you're just going about your business, and then the if

2005
01:37:07,013 --> 01:37:09,293
Speaker 2: it was America, the helicopters and on the lawn and

2006
01:37:09,572 --> 01:37:12,612
Speaker 2: you know, get in, you know you're coming with us, Jacques,

2007
01:37:13,053 --> 01:37:15,213
Speaker 2: get in, You're coming with us? Where just get in

2008
01:37:15,253 --> 01:37:17,852
Speaker 2: and you fly after the bee hive hit free?

2009
01:37:18,333 --> 01:37:22,692
Speaker 25: Yeah forty years doesn't seen that long ago when I

2010
01:37:22,732 --> 01:37:24,612
Speaker 25: think about it, but now here.

2011
01:37:25,412 --> 01:37:28,532
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you so much for your call, sharky and

2012
01:37:28,692 --> 01:37:31,412
Speaker 3: great discussion. Thank you to everybody who phoned and texts

2013
01:37:31,452 --> 01:37:33,932
Speaker 3: on that. Whow I mean, that was an incredible hour

2014
01:37:33,973 --> 01:37:34,452
Speaker 3: and a half.

2015
01:37:34,532 --> 01:37:37,133
Speaker 2: And it's the bow and stern of the ship, not

2016
01:37:37,213 --> 01:37:40,213
Speaker 2: the starbuck. If it's on the bow and stern, set

2017
01:37:40,213 --> 01:37:42,532
Speaker 2: the right hand sides over the front and back of

2018
01:37:42,532 --> 01:37:43,173
Speaker 2: the bow and stern.

2019
01:37:43,253 --> 01:37:44,412
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, just get it right.

2020
01:37:44,492 --> 01:37:44,652
Speaker 7: Yep.

2021
01:37:44,652 --> 01:37:45,932
Speaker 4: All right, okay, very good.

2022
01:37:46,013 --> 01:37:49,532
Speaker 3: Right, coming up, we've got Alex Powell in studio, a

2023
01:37:49,612 --> 01:37:51,772
Speaker 3: reporter for sports, reporter for the New Zealand here, we're

2024
01:37:51,772 --> 01:37:55,452
Speaker 3: gonna chat about what's going on. And if one shock

2025
01:37:55,492 --> 01:37:58,012
Speaker 3: waves around the world with the sacking of Christian Horner,

2026
01:37:58,173 --> 01:37:58,973
Speaker 3: so that is coming up.

2027
01:37:59,013 --> 01:38:00,093
Speaker 4: Have you had any questions?

2028
01:38:00,412 --> 01:38:04,212
Speaker 2: Yeah, so if one seems like it's become the biggest

2029
01:38:04,213 --> 01:38:05,972
Speaker 2: thing in the world at the moment, you can't look anywhere.

2030
01:38:06,293 --> 01:38:08,093
Speaker 2: Do you love it? Do you hate it? If so,

2031
01:38:08,333 --> 01:38:10,213
Speaker 2: why oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty, and your

2032
01:38:10,253 --> 01:38:12,213
Speaker 2: questions around the whole Christian Horner thing and what it

2033
01:38:12,253 --> 01:38:14,572
Speaker 2: means for our boy Liam, because we're Kiwis and that's

2034
01:38:14,572 --> 01:38:15,173
Speaker 2: what we care about.

2035
01:38:15,213 --> 01:38:15,372
Speaker 16: Yep.

2036
01:38:15,412 --> 01:38:17,893
Speaker 3: Love at nine two nine two's the text number. Headlines

2037
01:38:17,933 --> 01:38:19,053
Speaker 3: with Wendy Comer.

2038
01:38:21,412 --> 01:38:24,572
Speaker 19: Jus talk said the headlines with blue bubble taxis it's

2039
01:38:24,572 --> 01:38:27,333
Speaker 19: no trouble with a blue bubble. A man's appeared in

2040
01:38:27,412 --> 01:38:30,572
Speaker 19: court today accused of charges including a murder over the

2041
01:38:30,612 --> 01:38:33,053
Speaker 19: death of a thirty one year old man in Hamilton's

2042
01:38:33,133 --> 01:38:37,772
Speaker 19: Chartwell last night. More severe weathers heading towards Nelson, Tasman

2043
01:38:37,812 --> 01:38:40,852
Speaker 19: and Marlborough. Orange rain warnings have been issued for tomorrow,

2044
01:38:40,893 --> 01:38:44,253
Speaker 19: with a moderate risk of worsening to red. Orange rain

2045
01:38:44,293 --> 01:38:47,693
Speaker 19: warnings and watchers have also been issued across the North Island.

2046
01:38:48,013 --> 01:38:50,532
Speaker 19: A man's in a serious condition after being rescued on

2047
01:38:50,652 --> 01:38:54,092
Speaker 19: Great Barrier Island this morning after crashing off a fifteen

2048
01:38:54,173 --> 01:38:58,452
Speaker 19: meter cliff at Pupuri Bay Road last night. Ash Burton

2049
01:38:58,532 --> 01:39:01,372
Speaker 19: Police are appealing for information after a fatal crash between

2050
01:39:01,372 --> 01:39:04,293
Speaker 19: a car and person in a wheelchair on Burnett Street

2051
01:39:04,333 --> 01:39:08,293
Speaker 19: on Saturday. Police are asking for witnesses and CCTV four

2052
01:39:08,772 --> 01:39:12,972
Speaker 19: from the time. KeyWe electronic music duo SARChI at performing

2053
01:39:13,013 --> 01:39:16,293
Speaker 19: in Auckland and Wellington next month. Primary school friends Nick

2054
01:39:16,333 --> 01:39:19,732
Speaker 19: Crespin Will Thomas have been performing together since twenty fourteen.

2055
01:39:20,333 --> 01:39:23,133
Speaker 19: Plus Auckland has a once in a generation opportunity to

2056
01:39:23,173 --> 01:39:27,452
Speaker 19: build around rapid public transport rights Counselor Richard Hill's read

2057
01:39:27,492 --> 01:39:30,173
Speaker 19: the full column It ends at Herald Premium. Now back

2058
01:39:30,213 --> 01:39:31,052
Speaker 19: to Matson Tyler.

2059
01:39:31,133 --> 01:39:33,492
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Wendy So breaking news last night

2060
01:39:33,572 --> 01:39:36,892
Speaker 3: read Bull longtime team principal Christian Horner. He was sat

2061
01:39:37,133 --> 01:39:39,812
Speaker 3: at marked the end of a twenty years stint that

2062
01:39:39,933 --> 01:39:44,012
Speaker 3: included eight Formula One drivers titles and also recent turmil

2063
01:39:44,372 --> 01:39:47,173
Speaker 3: turmoil rather that rocked the team on and off the track.

2064
01:39:47,293 --> 01:39:51,372
Speaker 3: So last night he did give an emotional speech to staff.

2065
01:39:51,412 --> 01:39:53,052
Speaker 3: Shortly after that news broke.

2066
01:39:53,412 --> 01:39:58,653
Speaker 26: When I arrived twenty years ago with a few less Broguez,

2067
01:40:00,612 --> 01:40:03,013
Speaker 26: I walked into it seemed like a wats expects, so

2068
01:40:03,133 --> 01:40:08,813
Speaker 26: I was immediably. I was immediately welcomes and al Sue.

2069
01:40:08,973 --> 01:40:09,973
Speaker 1: Randa and Wildes.

2070
01:40:10,412 --> 01:40:16,013
Speaker 27: We started to build what became a powerhouse in former one.

2071
01:40:17,933 --> 01:40:23,572
Speaker 27: Watching and being parceled this scene has been the biggest

2072
01:40:24,452 --> 01:40:26,812
Speaker 27: privilege in my home.

2073
01:40:35,013 --> 01:40:35,452
Speaker 4: Appears.

2074
01:40:37,812 --> 01:40:40,772
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that was him breaking up towards the end,

2075
01:40:40,772 --> 01:40:43,973
Speaker 3: but an emotional farewell to staff as he faced up

2076
01:40:43,973 --> 01:40:46,093
Speaker 3: to his sacking as team principal.

2077
01:40:45,612 --> 01:40:47,732
Speaker 4: Bag big news in the F one world. To chat

2078
01:40:47,732 --> 01:40:48,772
Speaker 4: about this further, we are.

2079
01:40:48,732 --> 01:40:51,973
Speaker 3: Joined by New Zealand Herald sports reporter Alex power GeTe Alex.

2080
01:40:52,853 --> 01:40:55,172
Speaker 2: And of course Alex, this means a lot to New Zealand,

2081
01:40:55,293 --> 01:40:59,892
Speaker 2: is more than maybe if one has before historically, of

2082
01:40:59,893 --> 01:41:04,492
Speaker 2: course there was Bruce McLaren, but Liam Lawson and has

2083
01:41:04,572 --> 01:41:09,492
Speaker 2: sacking by Christian Horner has sent ripples through through New Zealand,

2084
01:41:09,572 --> 01:41:11,692
Speaker 2: hasn't it? So you know what does this mean? The

2085
01:41:11,692 --> 01:41:14,053
Speaker 2: first question we've got to ask, as Kiwi's is what

2086
01:41:14,093 --> 01:41:15,372
Speaker 2: does this mean for Liam Lawson?

2087
01:41:16,213 --> 01:41:18,213
Speaker 24: I think this is actually really good for Liam Lawson,

2088
01:41:18,333 --> 01:41:21,572
Speaker 24: to be honest. So Christian Horner was very forthright with

2089
01:41:21,612 --> 01:41:23,973
Speaker 24: him when he was moved back to Racing Bulls, but

2090
01:41:24,053 --> 01:41:25,933
Speaker 24: he was very much Do you remember I came in

2091
01:41:25,973 --> 01:41:27,133
Speaker 24: here at the time, I only seem to come to

2092
01:41:27,133 --> 01:41:29,692
Speaker 24: here people get sacked. I came in here and we

2093
01:41:29,732 --> 01:41:31,772
Speaker 24: spoke about and how different the messaging from Red Bull

2094
01:41:31,893 --> 01:41:34,293
Speaker 24: was about how they're doing it to protect liamb. So

2095
01:41:34,412 --> 01:41:36,892
Speaker 24: Liam's gone back to Racing bulls under Lauren Mcki's who's

2096
01:41:36,933 --> 01:41:39,412
Speaker 24: now replaced Christian Horner as not only the team principle

2097
01:41:39,412 --> 01:41:43,652
Speaker 24: but the CEO of Red Bull. If and when Red

2098
01:41:43,652 --> 01:41:45,213
Speaker 24: Bull do have to make a decision as to who

2099
01:41:45,213 --> 01:41:48,053
Speaker 24: goes into that car potentially alongside Maxi Stapan or into

2100
01:41:48,053 --> 01:41:50,253
Speaker 24: two fresh seats, They've now got a guy who knows

2101
01:41:50,333 --> 01:41:52,333
Speaker 24: everything about Liam Lawson. So I think that is a

2102
01:41:52,412 --> 01:41:53,372
Speaker 24: very good thing to happen.

2103
01:41:54,492 --> 01:41:58,412
Speaker 2: Now, you've been following the story for a very long time.

2104
01:41:58,652 --> 01:42:02,333
Speaker 2: You're a huge F one fan for decades and at

2105
01:42:02,452 --> 01:42:03,092
Speaker 2: least decade.

2106
01:42:04,173 --> 01:42:05,932
Speaker 24: May two thousand and four was my first.

2107
01:42:06,093 --> 01:42:10,213
Speaker 2: Okay, so there's decades, two decades. Has IF One ever

2108
01:42:10,253 --> 01:42:12,692
Speaker 2: been more popular, not just in New Zealand but globally.

2109
01:42:13,253 --> 01:42:15,412
Speaker 24: Now it sort of stands out now like the mustache

2110
01:42:15,412 --> 01:42:17,972
Speaker 24: on my face, doesn't it. I think you look back

2111
01:42:17,973 --> 01:42:19,612
Speaker 24: to COVID and you remember when we were all in

2112
01:42:19,652 --> 01:42:22,213
Speaker 24: Lockdown and we all got into documentaries, like everyone was

2113
01:42:22,213 --> 01:42:25,012
Speaker 24: in Tiger King. But Drive to Survive just became huge

2114
01:42:25,013 --> 01:42:26,253
Speaker 24: at that point and so may people get into it

2115
01:42:26,293 --> 01:42:28,213
Speaker 24: and because it continued on after that, I mean it

2116
01:42:28,253 --> 01:42:30,372
Speaker 24: was one of the only sports at one point, you know,

2117
01:42:30,452 --> 01:42:32,812
Speaker 24: people got into it, and now like it's huge in America,

2118
01:42:32,853 --> 01:42:35,333
Speaker 24: Like we have three Grand Prix in America anually now,

2119
01:42:35,612 --> 01:42:38,133
Speaker 24: which is ridiculous, you know, and now having a key

2120
01:42:38,133 --> 01:42:40,093
Speaker 24: in it for us, like we were quite sort of

2121
01:42:40,173 --> 01:42:42,532
Speaker 24: behind on interest in it, but now that Liam Lawson

2122
01:42:42,612 --> 01:42:43,812
Speaker 24: is in there, we're all on board.

2123
01:42:43,853 --> 01:42:46,932
Speaker 2: And we've got Team Apex as well with Brad Pitt driving.

2124
01:42:47,173 --> 01:42:48,093
Speaker 24: Yeah, the Underdogs.

2125
01:42:48,213 --> 01:42:49,093
Speaker 4: Yeah, so is.

2126
01:42:49,093 --> 01:42:50,652
Speaker 3: There I mean, is that part of it that we've

2127
01:42:50,652 --> 01:42:54,492
Speaker 3: had the very successful Drive to Survive seasons and series

2128
01:42:54,532 --> 01:42:57,293
Speaker 3: seven seasons under the belt. Now then as Matt says,

2129
01:42:57,333 --> 01:42:59,892
Speaker 3: you've got the IF One movie and Liam is taking part,

2130
01:42:59,933 --> 01:43:02,253
Speaker 3: it's all kind of converged to be one of the

2131
01:43:02,293 --> 01:43:03,333
Speaker 3: hottest sports.

2132
01:43:02,973 --> 01:43:04,293
Speaker 4: That Kiwis can watch right now.

2133
01:43:04,333 --> 01:43:08,253
Speaker 24: I think the whole Formula one audience is fragmented, frag

2134
01:43:08,452 --> 01:43:10,652
Speaker 24: entered into two very clear camps. You've got the drive

2135
01:43:10,692 --> 01:43:14,452
Speaker 24: to survive fans, but then you've got the F one traditionalists,

2136
01:43:14,492 --> 01:43:16,892
Speaker 24: the motorsport enthorsss, who are now trying to prove that

2137
01:43:16,933 --> 01:43:19,173
Speaker 24: they aren't drive to survive fans than they are and

2138
01:43:19,213 --> 01:43:19,972
Speaker 24: from day one.

2139
01:43:20,253 --> 01:43:22,893
Speaker 2: Yeah, well there's so many levels to F one and

2140
01:43:23,173 --> 01:43:24,932
Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty ten eighty. Do you love it

2141
01:43:25,053 --> 01:43:27,293
Speaker 2: and why? And why is it a great sport? If

2142
01:43:27,333 --> 01:43:28,732
Speaker 2: you've loved it for a long time, how do you

2143
01:43:28,732 --> 01:43:30,772
Speaker 2: feel about all the new fans? And if you hate

2144
01:43:30,772 --> 01:43:32,452
Speaker 2: it and you think it's boring, we want to hear

2145
01:43:32,492 --> 01:43:35,333
Speaker 2: from you as well. And a bunch of punishing texts

2146
01:43:35,372 --> 01:43:38,053
Speaker 2: have come through with things like Liam the Loser and

2147
01:43:39,013 --> 01:43:42,932
Speaker 2: you know, I don't think people understand how incredible it

2148
01:43:43,013 --> 01:43:45,093
Speaker 2: is and how hard it is to get one of

2149
01:43:45,093 --> 01:43:47,772
Speaker 2: the nineteen seats in F one And that's a larm

2150
01:43:47,812 --> 01:43:48,932
Speaker 2: stroll with that's.

2151
01:43:48,732 --> 01:43:49,213
Speaker 10: A good jack.

2152
01:43:49,572 --> 01:43:50,133
Speaker 4: I'm very good.

2153
01:43:51,133 --> 01:43:53,333
Speaker 2: You know, you cannot call someone a loser for getting

2154
01:43:53,372 --> 01:43:55,772
Speaker 2: there and he's been incredibly lucky, unlucky. So we want

2155
01:43:55,812 --> 01:43:57,173
Speaker 2: to talk about the Liam side of it as well,

2156
01:43:57,213 --> 01:44:00,492
Speaker 2: but if One do you love it? Why? Because I

2157
01:44:00,532 --> 01:44:02,293
Speaker 2: think the reason why I love it is there's just

2158
01:44:02,333 --> 01:44:03,973
Speaker 2: so many layers to it and one of them is

2159
01:44:04,013 --> 01:44:07,093
Speaker 2: the gossipy drive to survive part of it. One of

2160
01:44:07,133 --> 01:44:10,333
Speaker 2: them's the intense text that I often punish you about, Alex,

2161
01:44:10,492 --> 01:44:12,652
Speaker 2: you know, And one of them is just this cher

2162
01:44:12,973 --> 01:44:14,092
Speaker 2: excitement of the races.

2163
01:44:14,253 --> 01:44:17,692
Speaker 24: Yeah, it's It's the difference between sport versus entertainment, isn't it.

2164
01:44:17,692 --> 01:44:20,652
Speaker 24: And I don't think anything overlaps it the way that

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Speaker 24: Formula one does. Like we stand around in the office,

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01:44:23,053 --> 01:44:24,492
Speaker 24: the three of us, and just talk about the political

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01:44:24,532 --> 01:44:26,572
Speaker 24: side of it. You know, he's going here because he

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01:44:26,612 --> 01:44:29,412
Speaker 24: doesn't like him, you know, Yeah, yeahah.

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Speaker 4: Love the drama, right, oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 3: How are you feeling about IF one this season with

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01:44:34,293 --> 01:44:38,293
Speaker 3: Liam on board, the groundswell of excitement around it here

2172
01:44:38,293 --> 01:44:39,972
Speaker 3: in New Zealand, with the F one movie, the Drive

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01:44:40,053 --> 01:44:42,852
Speaker 3: to Survive series, or the drama in the scandal, or

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01:44:42,893 --> 01:44:44,532
Speaker 3: if you think it's boring by all means, give us

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01:44:44,532 --> 01:44:46,532
Speaker 3: a call and Alex will be standing by if you've

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01:44:46,532 --> 01:44:48,812
Speaker 3: got any questions ahead of the rest of the season,

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01:44:48,812 --> 01:44:50,852
Speaker 3: And what happens now with Red Bull Racing.

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01:44:51,333 --> 01:44:52,973
Speaker 4: He is ready to go nine two nine two of

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01:44:52,973 --> 01:44:53,492
Speaker 4: six number.

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01:44:53,532 --> 01:44:56,333
Speaker 2: And if you just want a gossip about Christian Horner

2181
01:44:56,572 --> 01:44:59,852
Speaker 2: or you think that SHARLEYE Clerk is hot, will take

2182
01:44:59,853 --> 01:45:00,492
Speaker 2: your call as well.

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Speaker 4: We're here for that. It is twenty to.

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Speaker 1: Four Matty Taylor Adams with you as your afternoon rolls

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01:45:08,732 --> 01:45:12,133
Speaker 1: on matt Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons news Talks.

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01:45:12,173 --> 01:45:13,852
Speaker 4: That'd be very good afternoon.

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01:45:13,853 --> 01:45:16,213
Speaker 3: We are talking about Formula one on the back of

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01:45:16,253 --> 01:45:18,652
Speaker 3: the breaking news that sent shock waves around the F

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01:45:18,732 --> 01:45:21,772
Speaker 3: one world, the sacking of Christian Horner from Red Bull Racing.

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01:45:22,053 --> 01:45:23,652
Speaker 3: Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighties. And I'm going

2191
01:45:23,692 --> 01:45:25,053
Speaker 3: to call if you're loving it, if you're hating it,

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01:45:25,093 --> 01:45:25,772
Speaker 3: we want to hear from you.

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01:45:25,812 --> 01:45:28,213
Speaker 2: Philippe. You're one of those people that jumped on board

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01:45:28,412 --> 01:45:30,013
Speaker 2: from Drive to Survive? Am I right?

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01:45:31,293 --> 01:45:33,812
Speaker 23: Yeah, absolutely loved it. Ever since?

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01:45:34,053 --> 01:45:36,253
Speaker 2: How many seasons ago did you jump on the Drive

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01:45:36,293 --> 01:45:37,093
Speaker 2: to Survive.

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01:45:36,853 --> 01:45:42,012
Speaker 23: Train, Well, it would have been about four. This must

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01:45:42,053 --> 01:45:45,772
Speaker 23: be our fourth full year watching GROM the actual Grand

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01:45:45,772 --> 01:45:49,333
Speaker 23: Prix series, so I can't quite remember exactly when we started,

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01:45:49,372 --> 01:45:52,452
Speaker 23: but it was definitely from Drive to survive and and

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01:45:53,133 --> 01:45:55,412
Speaker 23: I we would have been like the last people ever

2203
01:45:55,452 --> 01:45:58,852
Speaker 23: to follow any sort of motorsport racing were rural farming,

2204
01:45:58,853 --> 01:46:02,612
Speaker 23: people with horses, lifestyle block that's sort of doing and

2205
01:46:03,173 --> 01:46:06,372
Speaker 23: watching car racing would have been way from anything we

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01:46:06,412 --> 01:46:10,532
Speaker 23: would have ever thought. It was wonderful, but just absolutely

2207
01:46:10,612 --> 01:46:14,212
Speaker 23: hoped with the racing every single weekend.

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01:46:14,253 --> 01:46:14,732
Speaker 17: But it's on.

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Speaker 23: It's great in the winter for us because we record it.

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01:46:18,732 --> 01:46:23,772
Speaker 23: We watch everything, the practices, the qualifying loved ed notebook,

2211
01:46:24,492 --> 01:46:27,293
Speaker 23: all of that sort of stuff, and it's highly entertaining.

2212
01:46:27,572 --> 01:46:29,932
Speaker 2: So what part of it do you like the most?

2213
01:46:30,013 --> 01:46:31,732
Speaker 2: As I was saying before, there's there's a lot of

2214
01:46:31,812 --> 01:46:34,572
Speaker 2: layers to it. There's there's the drama, there's the soap

2215
01:46:34,612 --> 01:46:37,333
Speaker 2: opera of it, There's there's the racing part of it,

2216
01:46:37,692 --> 01:46:39,372
Speaker 2: and then there's and then there's the tech.

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01:46:39,173 --> 01:46:39,612
Speaker 19: Part of it.

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01:46:40,893 --> 01:46:43,052
Speaker 23: Yeah, in the beginning, well we're sort of not Tiki,

2219
01:46:43,173 --> 01:46:44,532
Speaker 23: so so they had to learn all that all the

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01:46:44,572 --> 01:46:48,412
Speaker 23: way through. But it's just the caliber of the drivers,

2221
01:46:49,293 --> 01:46:53,053
Speaker 23: the high performance nature of it. Everything's sort of like

2222
01:46:53,093 --> 01:46:56,772
Speaker 23: a premium high performance, but there's serious skill. It's it's

2223
01:46:56,812 --> 01:47:00,532
Speaker 23: all the elements, the human elements from the young guys

2224
01:47:00,572 --> 01:47:03,733
Speaker 23: are so disciplined, they're athletes. It's just amazing.

2225
01:47:03,812 --> 01:47:08,253
Speaker 4: Who's your favorite driver? And you can't say Liam, I.

2226
01:47:08,492 --> 01:47:13,933
Speaker 23: Love George still. The stone was great. They're all amazing,

2227
01:47:14,173 --> 01:47:17,892
Speaker 23: and you know we are serious defenders of poor Liam.

2228
01:47:18,013 --> 01:47:20,173
Speaker 23: I mean, he's amazing what he's done to get to

2229
01:47:20,213 --> 01:47:24,093
Speaker 23: this level. And you know he's just held himself in

2230
01:47:24,213 --> 01:47:26,893
Speaker 23: such great You've got.

2231
01:47:26,973 --> 01:47:28,972
Speaker 2: You've got to say. It's funny with George Russell though.

2232
01:47:29,293 --> 01:47:32,852
Speaker 2: So he's arguing with us as the engineers about staying

2233
01:47:32,853 --> 01:47:34,932
Speaker 2: out on that I'm going in. It's time, it's time

2234
01:47:35,173 --> 01:47:37,572
Speaker 2: it comes out on the slecks and just slides off

2235
01:47:37,612 --> 01:47:39,492
Speaker 2: the track immediately.

2236
01:47:41,333 --> 01:47:44,612
Speaker 23: And the thing about George is is mentoring COMI too.

2237
01:47:44,812 --> 01:47:48,653
Speaker 23: You know, he's a team guy. He's been there consistently,

2238
01:47:48,933 --> 01:47:53,492
Speaker 23: he's always there. He's a real pro, he's maturing. He's

2239
01:47:53,572 --> 01:47:57,772
Speaker 23: just a fantastic guy. And you know, I just love

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Speaker 23: the Mercedes team too. You know that whole culture, coach

2241
01:48:01,173 --> 01:48:03,093
Speaker 23: culture that Toto creates.

2242
01:48:03,692 --> 01:48:09,492
Speaker 2: And yeah, yeah, we'll go. Think you for your call, Philippa.

2243
01:48:09,933 --> 01:48:15,253
Speaker 2: Now this text here for you to answer their Alex Powell.

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01:48:16,532 --> 01:48:22,052
Speaker 2: Herald Sports supporter Horner blocked Salbert Audi from signing Lawson.

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01:48:22,173 --> 01:48:24,372
Speaker 2: They wanted him because Red Bull weren't using him and

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01:48:24,452 --> 01:48:28,212
Speaker 2: kept him on the sidelines for years, opting for Ricardo instead,

2247
01:48:28,452 --> 01:48:30,452
Speaker 2: which has proven to be a waste of time karma

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01:48:30,492 --> 01:48:31,093
Speaker 2: if you ask me.

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01:48:31,612 --> 01:48:34,133
Speaker 24: Okay, so yes, that's a very good point. Salbert and

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Speaker 24: Audi did want Liam Lawson, however, there was no blocking. Contractually,

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01:48:37,732 --> 01:48:40,173
Speaker 24: Liam wasn't allowed to negotiate with another team before a

2252
01:48:40,173 --> 01:48:43,092
Speaker 24: certain date, and Red Bull made sure that date never arrived.

2253
01:48:43,173 --> 01:48:45,453
Speaker 24: They locked him in before. I think it was Azerbaijan

2254
01:48:45,532 --> 01:48:47,973
Speaker 24: last year, and then there was Singapore the last or

2255
01:48:47,973 --> 01:48:50,253
Speaker 24: that week after, and that's when we had the scenes

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01:48:50,253 --> 01:48:51,172
Speaker 24: with Daniel Ricardo.

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01:48:51,452 --> 01:48:53,253
Speaker 2: Yeah, Adrian, welcome to the show.

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01:48:54,213 --> 01:48:57,132
Speaker 12: Oh hi guys, first time call, a longtime listener.

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01:48:58,173 --> 01:48:58,572
Speaker 6: Welcome.

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Speaker 12: I just wanted to say something about I heard a

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01:49:02,692 --> 01:49:06,412
Speaker 12: comment that people were bagging Liam Lawson that know that

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01:49:06,572 --> 01:49:10,253
Speaker 12: don't know him and nothing about him.

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01:49:10,893 --> 01:49:12,652
Speaker 17: I was privileged enough.

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01:49:12,612 --> 01:49:14,812
Speaker 12: Couple of years ago to actually meet Liam at Hampton

2265
01:49:14,893 --> 01:49:18,732
Speaker 12: Downs and we did some drive laps with him, and

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01:49:19,253 --> 01:49:21,492
Speaker 12: to be honest, like you couldn't meet you couldn't meet

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01:49:21,492 --> 01:49:25,372
Speaker 12: a nicer young guy, like he's very driven, but just

2268
01:49:26,133 --> 01:49:29,173
Speaker 12: you know, like a super nice guy, super driven, and

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01:49:29,253 --> 01:49:31,372
Speaker 12: this was just prior to him actually getting a full

2270
01:49:31,412 --> 01:49:33,932
Speaker 12: time Formula One drive, and he said to us at

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01:49:33,933 --> 01:49:36,892
Speaker 12: the time that his ultimate dream was to get to

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01:49:36,973 --> 01:49:39,772
Speaker 12: Red ball Formula one. That was that was his main focus.

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01:49:40,412 --> 01:49:43,372
Speaker 12: And it just annoys me when people bag him when

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01:49:43,412 --> 01:49:46,572
Speaker 12: they know nothing about him. And also, you know, like

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01:49:46,853 --> 01:49:50,452
Speaker 12: anyone that knows Formula One data doesn't lie, So if

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01:49:50,492 --> 01:49:52,852
Speaker 12: he couldn't drive, he wouldn't be in one of those

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01:49:52,893 --> 01:49:55,213
Speaker 12: top twenty seats. I mean, he's an amazing he's an

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01:49:55,253 --> 01:49:57,412
Speaker 12: amazing young man and an amazing driver.

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Speaker 3: Good on you for saying that, Adriana Alex. You've been

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01:50:00,013 --> 01:50:02,452
Speaker 3: dealing with Liam pretty much from from day one of

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01:50:02,492 --> 01:50:04,532
Speaker 3: his journey, and I imagine you'd concur with a lot

2282
01:50:04,572 --> 01:50:05,452
Speaker 3: of what Adrian's saying.

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01:50:05,532 --> 01:50:07,452
Speaker 24: I met Lim when he was seventeen years old, when

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01:50:07,612 --> 01:50:11,092
Speaker 24: he signed for Red on his seventeenth birthday, and throughout

2285
01:50:11,093 --> 01:50:13,772
Speaker 24: the years, you know, through through Formula three, in Formula Term,

2286
01:50:13,772 --> 01:50:15,452
Speaker 24: and he when you're raced in Germany, when you raced

2287
01:50:15,492 --> 01:50:19,652
Speaker 24: in Japan, He's always been very generous with his time

2288
01:50:19,692 --> 01:50:21,612
Speaker 24: to me. I mean, obviously it's a bit harder now,

2289
01:50:22,772 --> 01:50:26,973
Speaker 24: but Adrian's exactly right. He is just the most the

2290
01:50:27,053 --> 01:50:30,692
Speaker 24: most humble, the most polite, the most measured athlete. I

2291
01:50:30,732 --> 01:50:33,253
Speaker 24: think I've probably covered within, you know, across all sports,

2292
01:50:33,253 --> 01:50:36,092
Speaker 24: you know, Like I mean, I'd buy him an orange

2293
01:50:36,133 --> 01:50:38,333
Speaker 24: juice of if he was in here today. You know,

2294
01:50:38,572 --> 01:50:43,572
Speaker 24: I'm proud, but yeah, yeah, you really do. Just wish

2295
01:50:43,772 --> 01:50:45,412
Speaker 24: all success for not just him, but for his family.

2296
01:50:45,532 --> 01:50:47,492
Speaker 24: The sacrifices Mum and Dad have made to get him

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01:50:47,532 --> 01:50:48,412
Speaker 24: where he is as well.

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01:50:48,372 --> 01:50:51,572
Speaker 2: Selling houses and such. Now do you agree with what

2299
01:50:51,612 --> 01:50:54,492
Speaker 2: Adrian says there that that the data on Liam is good?

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01:50:54,772 --> 01:50:57,692
Speaker 2: And of course the new team principal at red Ball

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01:50:58,652 --> 01:51:00,772
Speaker 2: has been working with Liam for for a while. Now

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01:51:01,732 --> 01:51:03,532
Speaker 2: do you think the data on him because as we

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01:51:03,532 --> 01:51:06,253
Speaker 2: were talking about off, yeah, he said, it's three pieces

2304
01:51:06,253 --> 01:51:10,012
Speaker 2: of incredible bad luck inngin over heat, he's he's been

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01:51:10,253 --> 01:51:13,612
Speaker 2: taken out and and so there's three to three of

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01:51:13,612 --> 01:51:15,532
Speaker 2: his races have been taken off and with nothing to

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01:51:15,532 --> 01:51:16,013
Speaker 2: do with him.

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01:51:16,093 --> 01:51:19,692
Speaker 24: Yeah, it's you know, you're exactly right, Matt, the things

2309
01:51:19,732 --> 01:51:21,772
Speaker 24: that go against them. I mean, like we talk about luck,

2310
01:51:21,772 --> 01:51:24,053
Speaker 24: there's no such thing as luck, but things just go

2311
01:51:24,173 --> 01:51:26,372
Speaker 24: against you. And Liam said that, you remember in qualifying

2312
01:51:26,492 --> 01:51:28,852
Speaker 24: was at Bahrain, there was a fault with DRSA. He

2313
01:51:28,933 --> 01:51:31,613
Speaker 24: lost like a millisecond and that knocks him out. Yeah,

2314
01:51:31,772 --> 01:51:35,012
Speaker 24: I think we've seen when everything goes his way, he's

2315
01:51:35,053 --> 01:51:36,372
Speaker 24: he's as good as any of them. You know, the

2316
01:51:36,492 --> 01:51:39,532
Speaker 24: sixth in Austria with Fernando Alonso right behind him for

2317
01:51:39,572 --> 01:51:41,772
Speaker 24: sixty six laps, Fernando Altso has one two well tired

2318
01:51:41,812 --> 01:51:43,452
Speaker 24: as his race more Grand Prix than anyone else. He

2319
01:51:43,452 --> 01:51:45,972
Speaker 24: couldn't get around him. Yeah, that's not a fluke.

2320
01:51:46,973 --> 01:51:49,572
Speaker 2: The six of say love. If one hate drive to survive,

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01:51:49,812 --> 01:51:53,372
Speaker 2: I'd rather watch Shane us Gisburg and drive Nescar. I

2322
01:51:53,412 --> 01:51:55,732
Speaker 2: find the races themselves boring as hell. I pretty much

2323
01:51:55,732 --> 01:51:58,652
Speaker 2: watch qualifying and look at the race results the next day.

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01:51:58,732 --> 01:52:00,892
Speaker 2: It's a very good point. Qualifying is a totally different

2325
01:52:00,893 --> 01:52:02,052
Speaker 2: thing from from the races.

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Speaker 24: I think that just is the reality of F one

2327
01:52:03,853 --> 01:52:05,732
Speaker 24: in twenty twenty five, and we've spoken about it, Matt.

2328
01:52:05,732 --> 01:52:07,333
Speaker 24: The cars are so big now that it is just

2329
01:52:07,412 --> 01:52:09,692
Speaker 24: so hard to pass unless you're on a certain track.

2330
01:52:09,732 --> 01:52:12,493
Speaker 24: Like they're changing it next year with the new regulations

2331
01:52:12,532 --> 01:52:14,572
Speaker 24: coming in. You know, it's a hopefully it'll make it

2332
01:52:14,612 --> 01:52:17,013
Speaker 24: a bit more competitive, but like I completely understand the

2333
01:52:17,053 --> 01:52:19,732
Speaker 24: notion of Shane bengis bog. He's another one who's doing amazing.

2334
01:52:20,853 --> 01:52:23,973
Speaker 24: You look at how competitive NASCAR is, how competitive Indika is,

2335
01:52:24,013 --> 01:52:24,213
Speaker 24: you know.

2336
01:52:25,893 --> 01:52:29,213
Speaker 3: Yeah, So the future of Red Bull for the rest

2337
01:52:29,213 --> 01:52:31,492
Speaker 3: of the season without Christian Horner, how do you see

2338
01:52:31,532 --> 01:52:32,293
Speaker 3: that plane out?

2339
01:52:32,412 --> 01:52:34,093
Speaker 4: Is this new fella? Is he going to make all

2340
01:52:34,133 --> 01:52:35,532
Speaker 4: the difference or has he got some week to do?

2341
01:52:35,692 --> 01:52:35,812
Speaker 8: So?

2342
01:52:35,933 --> 01:52:38,133
Speaker 24: I look at this as sort of a hail Mary

2343
01:52:38,213 --> 01:52:41,852
Speaker 24: to try and keep Max for stappam. You know, it's

2344
01:52:41,893 --> 01:52:45,253
Speaker 24: been long reported the animosity between Joss for stapp and

2345
01:52:45,293 --> 01:52:49,253
Speaker 24: Max's dad and Christian Horner talks already that Max and

2346
01:52:49,333 --> 01:52:51,812
Speaker 24: Mercedes are and discussions over depth twenty twenty six. Whether

2347
01:52:51,893 --> 01:52:54,213
Speaker 24: or that that'll sort of freeze on those we don't know.

2348
01:52:55,293 --> 01:52:57,293
Speaker 24: But as what does Laura Mickey's do. I think he

2349
01:52:57,293 --> 01:52:58,973
Speaker 24: has to try and create as good an environment as

2350
01:52:59,013 --> 01:53:01,133
Speaker 24: it can. So it's reported and understood that there is

2351
01:53:01,133 --> 01:53:03,372
Speaker 24: a performance clause in Maxi Tappans contract that if Red

2352
01:53:03,412 --> 01:53:05,892
Speaker 24: buller at a certain point halfway through the season, he

2353
01:53:05,973 --> 01:53:07,932
Speaker 24: can seek an exit, you know, And I think that's

2354
01:53:07,973 --> 01:53:10,333
Speaker 24: why the trying to do a to try and actually

2355
01:53:10,372 --> 01:53:12,732
Speaker 24: beat that target or b just to create an environment

2356
01:53:12,732 --> 01:53:13,572
Speaker 24: that he doesn't want to leave.

2357
01:53:14,053 --> 01:53:16,492
Speaker 2: Alex may be able to confirm, but am I right

2358
01:53:16,572 --> 01:53:19,213
Speaker 2: this Texasis and saying Helmut Marco is more of a

2359
01:53:19,213 --> 01:53:20,452
Speaker 2: fan than Christian Laws.

2360
01:53:20,652 --> 01:53:22,652
Speaker 24: No, that was exactly right. Helmet Marko was a very

2361
01:53:22,692 --> 01:53:25,492
Speaker 24: big believer in liamb Helmets. Helmets backed them from well,

2362
01:53:25,532 --> 01:53:26,852
Speaker 24: but I think about the same time, mind you and

2363
01:53:27,053 --> 01:53:30,572
Speaker 24: somebody was seventeen. Marco was very vocal last year like, no,

2364
01:53:30,652 --> 01:53:31,852
Speaker 24: we have to give him a seat. You remember, a

2365
01:53:31,893 --> 01:53:34,972
Speaker 24: lot of the pressure on Daniel Ricardo came from Helmet

2366
01:53:34,973 --> 01:53:37,012
Speaker 24: Marco because he wanted Landlass in the car.

2367
01:53:37,173 --> 01:53:38,772
Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, okay, love it.

2368
01:53:38,893 --> 01:53:41,093
Speaker 3: Alex, thank you very much as always for coming and

2369
01:53:41,133 --> 01:53:42,812
Speaker 3: no doubt there'll be some more drama in the next

2370
01:53:42,812 --> 01:53:43,333
Speaker 3: couple of weeks.

2371
01:53:43,333 --> 01:53:44,772
Speaker 4: So we'll see you then a we'll get you back in.

2372
01:53:45,812 --> 01:53:48,612
Speaker 2: Will we see the horn Dog Christian Horner returning as

2373
01:53:48,652 --> 01:53:49,772
Speaker 2: principal of another team.

2374
01:53:50,173 --> 01:53:52,812
Speaker 24: I mean there's talks now that I say talks talk

2375
01:53:53,093 --> 01:53:55,572
Speaker 24: that Ferrari and Alpine could go in from. I don't

2376
01:53:55,572 --> 01:53:57,333
Speaker 24: think we'll see it. I think if he does come back,

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Speaker 24: it'll be in sort of an overseer advisory role with someone.

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Speaker 24: If it was to come back as a team principle.

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Speaker 24: I think that'd be very interesting.

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Speaker 2: It would be very interesting. Is it always in it

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Speaker 2: as it always is an if one?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, love it.

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Speaker 3: Alex's good to see you, mate. We'll catch up with

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Speaker 3: you again soon. That is New Zealand Herald sports journalist

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Speaker 3: Alex Powell. It is eight minutes to four.

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used

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Speaker 1: talks edb used talks edby five to four.

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Speaker 3: Just a quick question here for you, Matt get A. Matt,

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Speaker 3: would it be fair to say Liam's weak point is

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Speaker 3: is qualifying? He can sustain good speed over a Grand Prix,

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Speaker 3: but finds himself in the back quarter of the field

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Speaker 3: after qualifying.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I don't know. I think I think he's

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Speaker 2: got skills across the board. But look at Nico Olgenberg,

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Speaker 2: whose weak point was definitely qualifying, but he's been coming

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Speaker 2: from the back of the track getting his first podium

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Speaker 2: in two hundred and thirty nine races from nineteen Nah,

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Speaker 2: love Liam. Anyone that thinks he's no good is a loseer.

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Speaker 2: But just look at Christian Horner's record one hundred and

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Speaker 2: twenty four wins, six contruct the titles and eight drivers

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Speaker 2: titles in his twenty years at Red Bull, So what

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Speaker 2: if you think of the man? That is pretty impressive.

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Speaker 2: Thank you to all your great New Zealants for listening

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Speaker 2: to the show. Thanks so much for all your calls

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Speaker 2: and text. We've had a great time chatting. I hope

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Speaker 2: the company or not, and we had some great Rainbow

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Speaker 2: Warrior chat, including a call from a French cop who

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Speaker 2: was recruited to help catch Alan Mafart and Dominic Prex

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Speaker 2: Powerful Ryan Bridges up next, standing in for Heather. But

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Speaker 2: right now, Tyler, my good friend, tell me why I'm

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Speaker 2: playing this song.

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Speaker 4: This is a dramatic piece of music.

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Speaker 3: Is this some on the new f one movie that

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Speaker 3: I'm ute to see but I will go and see

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Speaker 3: it this weekend.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the harns of a theme.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, powerful.

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Speaker 2: It's a great movie, Yeah, fantastic. I mean, if you're

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Speaker 2: an F one fan, you'll see a few things that

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Speaker 2: will make you go, and that's not very likely. But

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Speaker 2: it's still a great film.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, getting rave reviews. Go see it.

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much for listening everyone, see you tomorrow. Until then,

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Speaker 2: give them a taste of kiwek Love yours.

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