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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's ryan

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Speaker 1: Bridge on hither Duplice Ellendre with one New Zealand coverage

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Speaker 1: like no one else.

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Speaker 2: Newstalk said, be.

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Speaker 3: Seven after before coming up, we'll head to the Mount

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Speaker 3: to the latest on this landslide. Mark Mitchell with us

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Speaker 3: after five. Greenland turns out it's all about Trump's Golden Dome.

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Speaker 3: We've got massive good news from Farmak. The worst of

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Speaker 3: the brain drain looks to be behind us. We'll head

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Speaker 3: to Australia in the UK before seven Ryan Bridge. On

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Speaker 3: days like this, it's important to stop and think all

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Speaker 3: of the firefighters, all of the cops, all of the

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Speaker 3: in need. What's happening at the Mount today is a

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Speaker 3: god awful situation. There's lots of detail we don't know.

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Speaker 3: We just don't know at this point exactly how many

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Speaker 3: people might be under that landslide. But we'll be talking

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Speaker 3: the workers on the site who are digging. What an

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Speaker 3: is absolutely fair enough. What a decent person, and there

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Speaker 3: are many of them at the mount today. Yesterday twenty

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Speaker 3: rescue workers search and rescue leapt literally went whitewater rafting,

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Speaker 3: in the Bay of plenty of put themselves in harms

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Speaker 3: country because we've all lived through it. It's one of

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Speaker 3: the most beautiful, rugged and remote parts of the world.

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Speaker 3: That's why we love it. We get to enjoy the

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Speaker 3: A resident from Northland said today it's the price that

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Speaker 3: it up, and by all accounts, sadly, there are families

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Speaker 3: out there today who will pay the ultimate price, Ryan Bridge,

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Speaker 3: nine minutes after four N two is the number to text.

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Speaker 3: Always love to hear from you. Let's go to Nick Jokes.

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Speaker 3: She is a witness who is there at the mount

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Speaker 3: next Good afternoon, Ryan, so good, thank you. What did

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Speaker 4: Nixt This morning, I was out walking and was heading

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Speaker 5: Loud cracking sound which caused I was on the phone time,

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Speaker 3: What was it like when it was coming down like?

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Speaker 5: I again, context from what I could see. It felt

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Speaker 5: I mean, you react as fast as you can too.

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Speaker 5: I don't know how natural instinct, I guess is to

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Speaker 3: They was, and did you talk to anyone when you

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Speaker 5: Yeah, there were two people who were obviously wondering how

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Speaker 7: Yes, Sir Ryan, this is very much still a very

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Speaker 7: moment is still rescuing those who are unaccounted for those

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Speaker 3: Michael, Thanks for that update. Michael Mora from the Herald

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Speaker 3: You're on News Talks B. Well, speak to Mark Mitchell,

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Speaker 3: who's obviously Emergency Management Minister. He's been in total today.

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Speaker 1: With TB BED live with in play responsibly.

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Speaker 3: We've got some dates for the America's Cup.

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Speaker 8: It's all getting underway next year. We knew that already, right,

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Speaker 8: So it's coming up kind of July to will be

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Speaker 8: on you know, who's going to come up and actually

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Speaker 8: challenge for this America's Cup. It's quite a long way.

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Speaker 8: It's quite a long way away. It's like a year

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Speaker 8: and a half, but it's out. They've got a report

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Speaker 3: We have a new name. We've got a new name

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Speaker 8: That's just called GB one. The hard thing that is great.

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Speaker 8: I love the technology of the America's Cup. It's going

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Speaker 3: It's fun. Naples is beautiful. It's going to be a

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Speaker 8: Say I've ever been to Naples, haven't you? No, I've

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Speaker 8: traveled enough. I've been to Rome and Sardana.

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Speaker 3: Black Caps won't like going back to India after this nonsense.

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Speaker 8: It's one game. It's one game.

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Speaker 3: We had a texta in the earlier they got hammered.

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Speaker 8: But it's one game.

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Speaker 3: And do you have are they taking it on the chin?

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Speaker 8: Well you have to. It's groundwork, that's what it is.

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Speaker 8: No one is going to care what happened in this

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Speaker 8: to look back at those five games. All they are

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Speaker 8: works what doesn't work. There's still a couple of players

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Speaker 8: So to me, it's an exercise of information gathering and

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Speaker 8: we didn't get so head up about results that forget

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Speaker 8: beaten five nil. Maybe people start scratching their heads, but.

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Speaker 3: Still it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 8: People won't remember this after the World Cup.

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Speaker 3: Hey does the abs You're tonight going to be talking

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Speaker 8: Well, no, I'm not going to talk about the coaching saga.

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Speaker 8: We talked about the coaching saga. Yeah, you're last night.

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Speaker 8: fair enough. But no, that's that's fair enough. Maybe i've

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Speaker 8: Rob Nickel was the head of the Rugby Players Association,

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Speaker 9: buying vodka bottles early and stop piling batches. And this

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Speaker 9: fellow also told the court he expected to die during

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Speaker 9: his attack on the Gold Coast unless he was killed

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Speaker 9: or the bottomized first by Australia's domestic spy agency ASIO.

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Speaker 9: I think for his own safety, this guy's been reminded

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Speaker 9: and custody. You wouldn't send the guy to the shop

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Speaker 9: for milk. It'd probably come back with a loaf of bread.

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Speaker 3: Do you know what his cause was?

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Speaker 9: Oh, just pissed off with something.

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Speaker 2: No idea.

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Speaker 9: I mean that will emerge, that will emerge. But today

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Speaker 9: the magistrate said, are you kidding as he sent him downstairs.

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Speaker 3: Appreciate it, thank you, Murray Old's Australia correspondent. It is

447
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Speaker 3: seventeen minutes away from five news talks, he'd be. So

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Speaker 3: it's interesting and somebody has texted in to make the point.

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Speaker 3: But the sort of comparison between what's happening in Australia

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Speaker 3: with Pauline Hanson and one nation, what's happening in the

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Speaker 3: UK with Nigel Faraje. And now you could argue in

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Speaker 3: this poll with Winston Peters up on twelve percent, surging

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Speaker 3: the populists, the anti immigration, that whole rhetoric is getting traction,

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Speaker 3: isn't it just very quickly before we get kauz Azzari

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Speaker 3: will be with us next on this pole. But if

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Speaker 3: you look at the right track wrong track, and this

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Speaker 3: is the thing that more often than not determines who

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Speaker 3: will win the election is do you feel like the

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Speaker 3: country is on the right track or do you feel

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Speaker 3: like the country is on the wrong track. That recovered

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Speaker 3: and the coalition was very happy, national particular, very happy

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Speaker 3: that that number recovered at the end of last year.

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Speaker 3: In the polls, it's actually taken a step backwards. So

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Speaker 3: even though the coalition has stepped forward in this result,

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Speaker 3: that particular number has set backwards. So the net direction

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Speaker 3: right track, wrong track was on negative sixteen point four percent.

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Speaker 3: That's a backward step of nine point eight points. So

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Speaker 3: that is not a good thing. But we'll talk to Azaria.

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Speaker 3: How about all of this.

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Speaker 1: Next politics was centric cre to check your customers and

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Speaker 1: get payment certainty.

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Speaker 3: Burn into five news talks to be We'll get to

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Speaker 3: Mark Mitchell after five. Azaria, how's with us now, senior

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Speaker 3: political correspondents in Wellington. Zari, good afternoon, Good afternoon.

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Speaker 15: Good to be with you.

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Speaker 3: And this poll has got Winston probably, I mean he

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Speaker 3: doesn't like poles, but probably celebrating anyway.

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Speaker 15: A new year, a new poll. This is a big

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Speaker 15: one Rattana obviously taking place tomorrow. The election date was

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Speaker 15: announced yesterday. Seems like parties are trying to shape up

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Speaker 15: how the campaign is going to look. Let's get into it,

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Speaker 15: as you say, huge gains for New Zealand first, a

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Speaker 15: record high for that party eleven point nine percent, so

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Speaker 15: well into the double digits, and a rise of three

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Speaker 15: point eight percent in terms of that compared to the

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Speaker 15: last poll. Labor is up two point eight percent to

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Speaker 15: thirty four point four. National is up one and a

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Speaker 15: half percent to thirty one point five. The Greens, though,

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Speaker 15: have seen the biggest drop. They're down three point one

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Speaker 15: points to seven point seven percent. Meanwhile Actor is down

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Speaker 15: one point nine points. They're below the Greens, They're on

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Speaker 15: seven percent. Tepatimari setting on three percent. The poll would

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Speaker 15: see the coalition re elected, but it does come with

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Speaker 15: the fact that National is behind Labor on party vote numbers.

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Speaker 15: The big headline of this so huge momentum for New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: First, absolutely now government's books are looking better than expected.

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Speaker 15: It's good news today for the government's books. Treasuries released

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Speaker 15: the interim financial statements for the five months to the

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Speaker 15: end of November. Things are looking better than initially thought so.

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Speaker 15: Crunching the numbers, the operating balance was that at a

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Speaker 15: surplus of three and a half billion dollars. That's compared

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Speaker 15: to a forecast deficit of zero point two billion. Although

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Speaker 15: the debt to GDP ratio is still not on target,

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Speaker 15: the government is want it to track below forty percent.

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Speaker 15: The latest numbers show net core Crown debt was nine

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Speaker 15: hundred million dollars lower than forecast, but it is at

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Speaker 15: forty one point six percent of GDP. The forecast, though,

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Speaker 15: did estimate this to be at forty one point nine percent,

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Speaker 15: so it is a better result than expectations, something not unexpected,

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Speaker 15: but is worth pointing out. Superannuation. It appears to be

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Speaker 15: significantly to blame for core Crown expenses being higher in

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Speaker 15: the twenty twenty five period than the same period the

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Speaker 15: year prior, a two billion dollar increase, and notably, social

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Speaker 15: security and welfare expenses increased by one point one billion dollars,

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Speaker 15: a whole billion of that due to superannuation payments, essentially

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Speaker 15: a growing number of people becoming eligible for the pension.

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Speaker 3: My dad's in that camp you just got as gold

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Speaker 3: card sent in the mail, is gloating about it.

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Speaker 15: Meanwhile, I'm sure that debate will kick off as well

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Speaker 15: around the election in terms of the superage. It always does.

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Speaker 15: And you'd have to think one point one billion dollars

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Speaker 15: one billion of them, you'd probably expect the debate.

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Speaker 3: They don't deserve it. They don't deserve it of politicians.

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Speaker 3: Art Torow, what are we expecting to see there?

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Speaker 15: Yeah, Arts in a very significant essentially marks the start

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Speaker 15: of the political year. MP's planning to gather in the

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Speaker 15: Central North Island Pass site that is near Wanganui. It

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Speaker 15: is a really significant political leader, though, has decided not

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Speaker 15: to attend this year's Ratana Church celebrations that is Odawiti

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Speaker 15: Way City. He's the co leader of Tepati Mali. He's

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Speaker 15: posted on social media saying he made the decision not

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Speaker 15: to travel there this year. He's going to remain in

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Speaker 15: Wyotiki to support any recovery needs from that severe weather.

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Speaker 15: No final call yet from the Prime Minister on if

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Speaker 15: he will be able to make it given that severe weather.

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Speaker 15: We will keep you updated on those plans, but currently

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Speaker 15: it is believed that Luxin is planning to attend. Chris

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Speaker 15: Hopkins also planning to be there, as are Winston Peters

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Speaker 15: and the co leaders of the Greens. A really important

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Speaker 15: time last year saw David Seymour step out and he

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Speaker 15: held a speech about his Treaty Principles Bill at the

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Speaker 15: same time. Given its election year, we might see some

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Speaker 15: of the same tactics or similar tactics again a bit

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Speaker 15: of politeching, as Seymour is notably not a fan of

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Speaker 15: the event. So first up, it's an after that we'll

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Speaker 15: have our eyes on white tonguey as the next big event.

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Speaker 3: Cheers, Azariah, good to have you on as always. Zaria

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Speaker 3: how senior political correspondent for News Talks Here b it's

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Speaker 3: nine to five and Bridge try not everyone who has

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Speaker 3: reservations about mass immigration and a legal immigration is a

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Speaker 3: white supremacist or a Nazi. Yes, that is very true.

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Speaker 3: He has said that this text is saying Murray Old's

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Speaker 3: kind of implied that if you go down that track,

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Speaker 3: or if you push that button, that you must be

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Speaker 3: I agree, it doesn't make you just because you have

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Speaker 3: a problem with mass immigration or particularly a legal immigration,

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Speaker 3: that does not make you a nasty old right white supremacist.

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Speaker 3: Ryan acts dropping to seven percent in this polse is

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Speaker 3: this text so only seven percent of voters want to

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Speaker 3: balance budget and to reduce government debt? How sad?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 3: And no, because if you look at what the ACT

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Speaker 3: Party has focused on, and I talk to a lot

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Speaker 3: of people about that side of politics, and if you

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Speaker 3: look at what they have focused on in the last

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Speaker 3: this term, would you say it is lower taxes? And

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Speaker 3: would you say it is balancing budgets and If that

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Speaker 3: is not the message that voters are hearing, then that

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Speaker 3: is not the message that they are voting for. So

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Speaker 3: I don't think the two things are necessarily go together.

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Speaker 3: They look like and they have looked like, the party

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Speaker 3: that's against co governance, you know, that's been their main

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Speaker 3: policy plank of this term that and I guess a

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Speaker 3: bit of regulation around the side. On the top eight

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Speaker 3: to five news talk ZB your home for.

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Speaker 2: The big names in sports, it's the make Hosking rexcess.

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Speaker 13: Where are we at with the Scott Robertson's replacement that

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Speaker 13: you need to set to apparently any day now?

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Speaker 16: Release?

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Speaker 2: It's recruitment planned whatever that means.

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Speaker 14: Tony Brown is with us?

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Speaker 2: What do you think?

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Speaker 17: Yeah?

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Speaker 18: Pretty bizarre the timing, no sort of plan going forward

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Speaker 18: and my name getting thrown in there, but no one's

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Speaker 18: really talked to me.

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Speaker 3: If you weren't involved with the South Africa, would you

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Speaker 3: buy somebody's hand off to be the All Black coach?

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Speaker 18: And I've even talked to RAISA a couple months ago

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Speaker 18: without potentially joining the Allbacks. But my commitment to South

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Speaker 18: Africa was four years and I've always wanted to honor that.

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Speaker 18: I said, I'm just so frustrated that no one talked

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Speaker 18: to me two years ago.

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Speaker 12: So that's rugby and that's coaching.

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Speaker 3: Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Husking Breakfast with

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Speaker 3: the Defendant News Talk z B. It is five minutes

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Speaker 3: away from five What is Hopkins doing? This was his

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Speaker 3: response when he was asked about the poll today, which,

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Speaker 3: by the way, it's good for the coalition. The Coalition

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Speaker 3: is doing well, doing better than they did at the

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Speaker 3: end of last year. Even it's sort of extending their lead.

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Speaker 3: But also Labor was still the number one party polling

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Speaker 3: party in the poll.

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Speaker 2: However, Poles bounce around a lot.

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Speaker 6: Even in the dodgy Texpayer Union poll, Labor supporters significantly

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Speaker 6: high than it was on election day two and a

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Speaker 6: half years ago.

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Speaker 3: Weird strategy, weird way to start the year. Hey, don't

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Speaker 3: listen to the polls, Like, why don't you want people

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Speaker 3: to listen to the poles or you worry that they're

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Speaker 3: going to turn on you? Doesn't sound very confident in

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Speaker 3: my mind. Now to Gaza, Trump has stopped all the

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Speaker 3: wars save the Middle East, of course, and he's got

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Speaker 3: his Board of Peace and sent out a whole bunch

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Speaker 3: of invitations to different countries, saying to the leaders, you

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Speaker 3: can join the Board of Peace. He's asked Putin, He's

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Speaker 3: asked Luxen as well. We're not sure what his responses.

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Speaker 3: He asked Pope Leo, for goodness sake. So everyone's had

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Speaker 3: an invite, well almost everyone, and some are now saying yes.

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Speaker 3: So so far in the yes camp Aremenia, Argentina, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Belarus, Egypt, Hungary, Kazakhstan, Kosovo, Morocco, Pakistan,

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Speaker 3: the uav and Vietnam. They've all said yes, and then

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Speaker 3: everyone else at this stage quite undecided. We're not quite

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Speaker 3: sure who's going to join. But we're going to talk

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Speaker 3: to Matt Tyrrel, who was Marco Rubio's former chief of staff,

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Speaker 3: about Gaza, but about Greenland because Trump's done the big

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Speaker 3: back down, no tariffs, no military action. So what is

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Speaker 3: this new framework that he's talking about. Is it actually

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Speaker 3: anything or is it just hottier and nonsense. Well ask

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Speaker 3: Matt Cheryl. He's here afternoons, the.

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Speaker 1: Only drive show you can try to ask the questions,

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Speaker 1: get the answers, find the fact and give the analysis.

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Speaker 2: Ryan Bridge on Hither Duplicy Ellen.

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Speaker 1: Drive with one New Zealand and the power of satellite

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Speaker 1: mobile news talk said.

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Speaker 3: The seven after five will go to this landslide. The

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Speaker 3: surf Club's just been evacuated near the mount. This is

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Speaker 3: where some of the relatives of those who are currently

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Speaker 3: missing under the debris from the landslide that happened this morning.

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Speaker 3: They were gathering at the surf Club, just being evacuated.

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Speaker 3: The search and rescue operations still going on. Mark Mitchell

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Speaker 3: is the Emergency Management Minister, joins us live Mark good evening, Hi, Ryan,

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Speaker 3: what's happening with the surf Club? Is there a worry

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Speaker 3: that there are potent there's the potential for more slips here.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, the geoscientists are worry that that's there right, that

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Speaker 19: that part of the mount may slip, and they're concerned

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Speaker 19: about the surf Club. So it's a precautionary evacuation of

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Speaker 19: the surf Club at the moment. And yes, we're there

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Speaker 19: with all the families and we have moved them to

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Speaker 19: different locations.

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Speaker 3: How many families are we talking about.

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Speaker 19: I don't want to get into numbers because you know,

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Speaker 19: we're still sorting through this it is, and so I

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Speaker 19: just don't want to You can you can imagine the

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Speaker 19: high degree of sensitivity. You know, what the families are

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Speaker 19: going through at the moment is their loved ones, a

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Speaker 19: lot of uncertainty, and we're still working police are still

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Speaker 19: working through a process in terms of who was on

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Speaker 19: the camp, who's still missing.

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Speaker 16: So I just don't want to get into numbers.

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Speaker 3: No fair enough. So at this stage they're still not

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Speaker 3: c on how many people might have left the camp

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Speaker 3: and not told people or not checked out. So there's

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Speaker 3: that uncertainty there.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, exactly, and that did happen and there was a

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Speaker 19: few that which is completely totally understandable. But it's a

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Speaker 19: matter of now going back checking CCTV camera footage and

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Speaker 19: just working that out and just trying to get a

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Speaker 19: very clear picture of who might be who might have

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Speaker 19: been impacted in court by that slip.

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Speaker 3: How are the family's doing.

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Speaker 16: Oh, it's terrible, mate.

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Speaker 19: I mean you could imagine when you love ones you

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Speaker 19: don't know where they are, and they're just the stress

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Speaker 19: and the anxiety of waiting around, and they get an

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Speaker 19: enormous amount of support. Everyone's trying to cheer that burden

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Speaker 19: with them. But yeah, as you can imagine, it's very

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Speaker 19: very tough somber. You know, our first responders are just

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Speaker 19: quite simply.

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Speaker 16: Doing an outstanding job.

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Speaker 19: As you can imagine, it's a really difficult environment to

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Speaker 19: operate in, but they're really getting on with the work

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Speaker 19: and they're doing a very good job.

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Speaker 3: How much land came down, it must have been a

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Speaker 3: hell of a lot.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, it's significant, so you'd be quite shocked when you

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Speaker 19: see it. There's a lot of earth that has moved,

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Speaker 19: and you can just see the enormity and the size

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Speaker 19: of the job facing our friends and our use operators

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Speaker 19: who are outstanding.

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Speaker 16: We've got the right equipment there.

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Speaker 19: We've had the dogs over the site and there's a

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Speaker 19: massive amount of resource of work going into starting to

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Speaker 19: try and clear and rescue the people that are under there.

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Speaker 3: What are the dogs therefore.

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Speaker 16: They'll detect that trained you know obviously through scent, their

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Speaker 16: scent to be able to detect people.

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Speaker 2: And have they I don't know.

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Speaker 16: I haven't had the results back on that.

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Speaker 3: I just know they put the dogs over mark. What

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Speaker 3: about were heard from our reporter who's there actually about

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Speaker 3: a woman who was going around and warning people, trying

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Speaker 3: to get people out of the camp. You know, wake up,

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Speaker 3: leave because this is an unsafe place. Have you heard

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Speaker 3: of stories like that, you know, people doing heroic things,

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Speaker 3: amazing things.

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Speaker 16: No, I haven't heard, No, I haven't. That information hasn't

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Speaker 16: come to me.

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Speaker 19: But certainly over the last few days, in the last

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Speaker 19: twenty four hours, there's definitely been some heroic people, members

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Speaker 19: of the public, our first responders, police and firefighters. It's

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Speaker 19: been a tough you know, forty eight hours, there's no

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Speaker 19: doubt about that, and especially up north we we had

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Speaker 19: isolated communities that were hit earlier in the week as well.

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Speaker 3: Does the recovery operation, the rescue operation, does that just

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Speaker 3: keep going until they find people?

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Speaker 19: Now?

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Speaker 3: Like, is it going through the night twenty four to seven?

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Speaker 16: Yeah, it does.

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Speaker 19: Because we haven't only got this site at the Mount,

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Speaker 19: we've also got a site at Welcome Bay two where

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Speaker 19: one of the slips has come through, taken a house out.

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Speaker 19: Two of the people have been recovered, they're okay, but

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Speaker 19: we've still got two people missing.

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Speaker 3: Mark Mitchell, who's the Emergency Management minist appreciate your time. Tonight,

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Speaker 3: eleven after five.

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Speaker 2: Bryan Bridge.

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump says he's got a deal on Greenland's The

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Speaker 3: US President's backtracking on threats to seize the Danish territory

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Speaker 3: after meeting NATO Secretary General Mark Rutter. No detail yet

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Speaker 3: on exactly what has been agreed to Trump. No longer

731
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Speaker 3: intent on slapping tariffs on Europe. Also, no longer. You'll

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Speaker 3: be pleased. You can breathe a sigh of relief. Europe

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Speaker 3: won't be sending the troops in. Matt Tyrrell is a

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Speaker 3: former chief of staff to Marco Rubio's presidential campaign. With

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Speaker 3: me tonight, Matt good evening.

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Speaker 20: Hey, er Ian gread to be with you.

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Speaker 3: So what's the game plan here for Trump on Greenland?

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Speaker 3: Do you think is this the last will hear of it?

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Speaker 4: Or what?

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Speaker 20: Well, look, I think that this framework there's a cheat.

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Speaker 20: Today is really a major step forward. And obviously here's

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Speaker 20: a more negotiation will be done here in the coming days.

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Speaker 20: But look, this is ending up or is it always

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Speaker 20: going to end up? And that is President Trump getting

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Speaker 20: what he wants with respect to Greenwind, which he has

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Speaker 20: been clearer that is vital for both national security and

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Speaker 20: other purposes. And look, we'll see this all goes. But

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Speaker 20: this is a major win for President Trump, for the

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Speaker 20: United States and for the safety and security of the world.

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Speaker 3: But what's he actually won. What is the framework because

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Speaker 3: you can put you know, there's the military base there already,

752
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Speaker 3: you can searche the troop numbers if you want. What

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Speaker 3: else is there that he needs to want?

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Speaker 20: Sure, well, look, we'll see where this all takes shape here.

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Speaker 20: But based on the reporting, it appears that there's going

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Speaker 20: to be the ability, it sounds like for the United

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Speaker 20: States to gain control of key pockets of land in Greenleveon.

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Speaker 20: You put in place President Trump's Golden Dome for missile defense.

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Speaker 20: We'll see where this all goes. But I suspect the

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Speaker 20: ability for the United States to have the presidence that

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Speaker 20: is required to counter China, to counter Russia. So obviously

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Speaker 20: this is building a treat if the United States has

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Speaker 20: with Greenland in terms of the ability to have a

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Speaker 20: military presence already there. But it's critical for President Trump,

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Speaker 20: in his eyes, at least to boaster that, to ensure

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Speaker 20: that we enhance that. And really it comes down to

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Speaker 20: China Russia encountering what they're doing in that part of

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Speaker 20: the world. Greenland is vital for nast security. It's not

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Speaker 20: as President Trump, who's believed that President Truman, a Democrat,

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Speaker 20: tried to acquire Greenland in the United States has acquired

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Speaker 20: land before Louisiana, Alaska. Those are key examples. The bottom

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Speaker 20: line is that this is vital for nasal security. Person

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Speaker 20: Trump has been clear about that, and this is a

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Speaker 20: win for him. This is a step forward. But obviously

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Speaker 20: more discussion are going to take place here between President

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Speaker 20: Trump and his foreign policy team. As foreign policy team

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Speaker 20: talk with the necessary parties on this, we'll see what

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Speaker 20: takes shape here in terms of next steps. But this

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Speaker 20: was a significant move forward. And again this ended where

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Speaker 20: he's always going to end, President Trump, moving the ball forward,

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Speaker 20: the United States having a great presence in Greenland.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean it's that playbook, the big threat

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Speaker 3: and then the compromise and then getting probably what he

784
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Speaker 3: really wanted in the first place. Who's next? You know,

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Speaker 3: we've had Venezuela, We've had Greenland. Who else should be

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Speaker 3: is on the list?

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Speaker 20: Well, A lot of what President Trump is doing right

788
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Speaker 20: now is really the counter China, in the growing presence

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Speaker 20: of China. But also it's about Iran. You know, obviously

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Speaker 20: Iran is a top of mind right now for people

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Speaker 20: around the world, particularly for the people in Iran right now,

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Speaker 20: who are of course are taking to the streets and protesting,

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Speaker 20: and that's going to be obviously something to watch here.

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Speaker 20: You know President Trump did in Venezuela, well, it's in

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Speaker 20: part to put for the pressure on Iran. You know

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Speaker 20: a lot of what he's doing around the world is

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Speaker 20: you know, playing within four dimensional chess. And the bottom

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Speaker 20: line here is all of this is interconnected in many ways.

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Speaker 20: What he's doing on Greenland is countering China and Russia.

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Speaker 20: What he did in Venezuela in many ways was trying

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Speaker 20: to counter other threats beyond what Nicholas Maduro presented. So

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Speaker 20: you know, this is something that President Trump has really

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Speaker 20: going on the offensive right now. National security, protecting the

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Speaker 20: United States. Ultimately, this is a part of his America

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Speaker 20: First agenda, how do you make America more prosperous, safer,

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Speaker 20: and more secure, And in part that's obviously looking at

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Speaker 20: what other threats are out there. Iran's a major one

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Speaker 20: to watch, and we'll see what takes place.

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Speaker 3: With that coming days too. Matt, appreciate that. Matt Terrell,

810
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Speaker 3: who's former chief of staff to Marco Rubio's US presidential campaign.

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Speaker 3: It is quarter past five, you're on news talks. Here

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Speaker 3: be next we've got new numbers on the brain drain. Well,

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Speaker 3: I say, the brain drain, what's the whole thing overhyped?

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Speaker 3: The new numbers are interesting. We'll get to Brad Olsen

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Speaker 3: on that next five eighteen news talks. They'd be great

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Speaker 3: to have your company this evening. Let's go to the

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Speaker 3: brain drain numbers. So these are migration stats out. Looks

818
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Speaker 3: like the worst of it might be over. Migration stats

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Speaker 3: out for the year to November. The rate of Kiwi

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Speaker 3: citizens leaving the country has fallen since June, and we

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Speaker 3: had a small net population gain of about ten thousand

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Speaker 3: for the year to November. Brad Olsen is Infametric's principal

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Speaker 3: economist with us tonight, Brad, Good evening.

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Speaker 21: Good evening, Ryan.

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Speaker 3: So we're not all moving to Australia anymore, is that

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Speaker 3: what we're saying? What are we saying?

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Speaker 21: Well, I think you're exactly right that we've seen most

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Speaker 21: of the trends effectively plateau. So you know, instead of

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Speaker 21: seeing huge numbers of Kiwis that have continued to move out, Yes,

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Speaker 21: are still high, but they're not continuing to increase. They're

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Speaker 21: sort of now moving a bit more sideways. And when

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Speaker 21: you look at those figures of Kiwi's moving to Australia

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Speaker 21: and sort of the overall net gain there that does

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Speaker 21: seem to be again easing back, just ever so slightly

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Speaker 21: in recent times. Long story short, probably the most interesting

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Speaker 21: thing with these figures is not only the headline figure,

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Speaker 21: like you say, roughly ten thousand was the net migration

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Speaker 21: figure over the last twelve months, but also the revisions

839
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Speaker 21: in terms of people coming into the country as well.

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Speaker 21: The arrival figures and departures have both been revised lower

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Speaker 21: in November compared to what we had previously, and it

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Speaker 21: just sort of in our minds when we look through

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Speaker 21: those figures, just suggests that there's not quite as much

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Speaker 21: intensity in terms of both the number of people still

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Speaker 21: coming in, which was always hard to understand when you

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Speaker 21: looked at the likes of the higher unemployment rate, but also,

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Speaker 21: like you say, not quite as many people leaving as

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Speaker 21: we might have first expected.

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Speaker 3: So has the whole thing been a bit overhyped?

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Speaker 21: Well, I mean, in a sense we're still yet to

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Speaker 21: see fully even the most recent figures are still quite volatile,

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Speaker 21: and you do see those revisions come through quite a bit.

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Speaker 21: But now we're sort of getting a little bit more

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Speaker 21: certainty around the data for what happens sort of more

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Speaker 21: mid twenty twenty five, and that certainly suggests that again

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Speaker 21: some of those primary expectations might have been a bit overhyped,

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Speaker 21: and part of it seems to be when you dig

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Speaker 21: into the figures, it's sort of hard to tell when

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Speaker 21: someone leaves the country if they're going to be a

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Speaker 21: migrant or if they're just going on holiday and maybe

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Speaker 21: a longer holiday an I dare expect that when you

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Speaker 21: look in some of the figures, it might well have

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Speaker 21: been that there were a few more kiwis that were

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Speaker 21: taking trips to Australia. But it also might have been

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Speaker 21: that people have been looking overseas at jobs. They might

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Speaker 21: have moved figured out that actually there's not as many

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Speaker 21: sort of just heaps of spare jobs overseas compared to

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Speaker 21: New Zealand, and actually might well have had to come back.

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Speaker 21: You've been hearing more anecdotes of that recently as well,

870
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Speaker 21: so there's a combination of things. But it does seem like, look,

871
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Speaker 21: the migration figures do seem to be trending out a

872
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Speaker 21: bit more at where they currently are, rather than dipping

873
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Speaker 21: up or dipping down particularly.

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Speaker 3: Quickly interesting stuff. Brad appreciated Brad Elsen infor metrics. It's

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Speaker 3: good to have you on the show as always. Twenty

876
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Speaker 3: one after five. Next, the boss of JP has said

877
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Speaker 3: something that I think is interesting. I think you will too,

878
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Speaker 3: about AI and about the robots that are coming for

879
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Speaker 3: our jobs. That's next.

880
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Speaker 1: For the name you trumped to get the answers you need,

881
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Speaker 1: it's Ryan Bridge on either duplessy Ellen Drive with one

882
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Speaker 1: New Zealand coverage like no one else news talks.

883
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Speaker 3: They'd be twenty three after five if you don't know him.

884
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Speaker 3: Jamie Diamond is the boss of JP Morgan and quite

885
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Speaker 3: a smart guy, which obviously you need to be to

886
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Speaker 3: run a bank. Well, one would assume you need to

887
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Speaker 3: be quite smart to run a bank. I've mentioned him

888
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Speaker 3: a few times on the show because he just says

889
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Speaker 3: some reasonable and practical things about some big issues. And

890
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Speaker 3: he's spoken about AI. He reckons we need to slow

891
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Speaker 3: it down, calm the farm a little bit, and if

892
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Speaker 3: we don't slow down, society he reckons could tear itself apart.

893
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Speaker 3: And he's not talking about in ten years, he's talking

894
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Speaker 3: about soon. And he gives an example in the US,

895
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Speaker 3: there are two million truck drivers who could soon be

896
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Speaker 3: out of a job when driverless trucks hit the road.

897
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Speaker 3: That's two million men and women going from a pay

898
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Speaker 3: packet of up to one hundred and fifty thousand American

899
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Speaker 3: dollars a year too unemployed. The skills not transferable. His answer,

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Speaker 3: slow it down, phase the technology in rather than hit

901
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Speaker 3: society all at once, and then you'll probably have to

902
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Speaker 3: get some government payouts to compensate them. Otherwise, he says,

903
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Speaker 3: you will get civil unrest, You'll get chaos in the streets.

904
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Speaker 3: In New Zealand, we have ubers, we have taxis ripe

905
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Speaker 3: for a robo takeover. Same goes for public transport. Robots

906
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Speaker 3: will probably drive buses before long, which will certainly stop

907
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Speaker 3: the violence, unfortunately that they face, especially in Auckland and

908
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Speaker 3: the driver's seat from nutty passengers, but it does leave

909
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Speaker 3: them out of work without a meaningful alternative or transferable skills.

910
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Speaker 3: Driverless way mow taxis in the US are taking off,

911
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Speaker 3: and the serious crash rate is about ninety percent better

912
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Speaker 3: than we're humans.

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Speaker 16: I know.

914
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Speaker 3: Go figure. The problem with phasing things in slowly, though

915
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Speaker 3: pumping the brakes is that you miss out on the

916
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Speaker 3: productivity gains. And just because you pump the brakes, it

917
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Speaker 3: doesn't mean that your competitors will. It doesn't mean that

918
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Speaker 3: other countries will do the same. And nobody's going to

919
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Speaker 3: get in the way of progress, are they? Which leaves

920
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Speaker 3: us with the social problem that Jamie Diamond was getting

921
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Speaker 3: it in the first place. How do we make sure

922
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Speaker 3: the world doesn't go to hell in a handbasket when

923
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Speaker 3: the robots come for our jobs and our livelihoods? Cry

924
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Speaker 3: and Bridge two the number to text, would love your

925
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Speaker 3: feedback on that. Twenty six minutes after five, Let's go

926
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Speaker 3: to Trump over Davos, because he kept talking about wanting

927
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Speaker 3: to take Greenland. But do you mean Greenland or did

928
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Speaker 3: you mean something else?

929
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Speaker 10: And I've chilled the last few days. When I told

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Speaker 10: him about Iceland, they loved me. I don't know that

931
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Speaker 10: they'd be there for us. I'm helping I'm helping Europe,

932
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Speaker 10: I'm helping NATO. And I've chilled the last few days.

933
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Speaker 10: When I told them about Iceland, they loved me. I

934
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Speaker 10: don't know that they'd be there for us. They're not

935
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Speaker 10: there for us on Iceland. There they can tell you.

936
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Speaker 10: Mero stock market took the first dip yesterday because of Aceland.

937
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Speaker 10: So Aceland's already costs US a lot of money. But

938
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Speaker 10: that dip is peanuts compared to what it's going on.

939
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Speaker 3: I think he's just a bit tired. I mean he's

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Speaker 3: nearing eighty. He was on a plane that had to

941
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Speaker 3: turn around and start again, doing much better than Barton.

942
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Speaker 3: You'd have to say that a't Ryan Greenland has substantial oil,

943
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Speaker 3: gas and critical mineral resources. Yes, and all the ice

944
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Speaker 3: is melting so to be a trade route before you

945
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Speaker 3: know it. But he says not about that, not about that.

946
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Speaker 3: It's the Golden Dome that's going to save America and

947
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Speaker 3: keep America safe. So we will believe that for now, Farmac.

948
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Speaker 3: This decision on cystic fibrosis is fantastic. We'll get to

949
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Speaker 3: it next.

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Speaker 1: On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in

951
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: your car on your drive home. It's Ryan Bridge on

952
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Speaker 1: hither Ellen Drive with one New Zealand had the power

953
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Speaker 1: of satellite mobile news talks, they'd be.

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Speaker 15: Coming.

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Speaker 3: Please don't go Parli twenty five away from six year

956
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Speaker 3: on news talks. They'd be great to have your company

957
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 3: this Tuesday afternoon, after six we're gonna speak to Malcolm John's.

958
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Speaker 3: He's the boss at Genesis on hydro. The lakes are

959
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 3: filling up great, excellent, so we'll have cheap power or

960
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 3: winter there'll be no shortage. They'll be no. I mean

961
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Speaker 3: they did tell us, didn't they last year, that this

962
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Speaker 3: year and next year we should be all g and

963
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Speaker 3: after that is when we might run into some problems.

964
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Speaker 3: Although now that they've done the deal with the coal

965
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Speaker 3: at Huntley, apparently all of our problems have gone away. Anyway,

966
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Speaker 3: we'll check in with your power bills, Malcolm John's. That's

967
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Speaker 3: after six.

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Speaker 2: Tonight, Great Ryan Bridge.

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Speaker 3: The huge news announced today for kids who suffer from

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Speaker 3: cystic fibrosis. Farmac wants to fund two life changing drugs

971
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Speaker 3: for all kids with the condition, tri Cafter which you

972
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Speaker 3: would have heard of, and a lift Trek. Currently only

973
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Speaker 3: kids from the age of six are eligible for the

974
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Speaker 3: funded drugs in New Zealand. Now Liam Rooney's two year

975
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Speaker 3: old son Luca has cystic fibrosis at fibrosis and he

976
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Speaker 3: joins me, Now, Liam, good evening, all Ran, how are you? Yeah,

977
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Speaker 3: very well, thank you. Liam. Tell us about what this

978
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 3: actually means, this decision, because for a lot of people

979
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Speaker 3: it sounds like something's happening from farmac. You know, we

980
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 3: get these drug announcements. What does it actually mean for

981
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Speaker 3: the likes of your son Luca.

982
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Speaker 17: It basically means that he gets every opportunity to thrive

983
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Speaker 17: in his life. From what we've been told from our doctors,

984
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Speaker 17: tri caft is probably the most transformative drug that they've

985
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Speaker 17: ever seen, so that you know, it doubles life expectancy

986
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Speaker 17: of people that suffer from siss fibrosis. So having early

987
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Speaker 17: access for Luca from two years old means it just

988
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Speaker 17: gives him every opportunity to live a normal, healthy life.

989
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Speaker 3: Does it mean that his body would have been undergoing

990
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Speaker 3: or being damaged in a way that would have shortened

991
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Speaker 3: his life for that you know, that would have been

992
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:20,760
Speaker 3: happening for four years extra.

993
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 17: Yeah, that's basically what the research was saying. That Like

994
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Speaker 17: it was all well and good that it was funded

995
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Speaker 17: from six but the you know, kids are sort of

996
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Speaker 17: pot out in the open and ready to ready to

997
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Speaker 17: explore from an earlier age and when they're at kindergarten

998
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 17: and entering school and so they're exposed to a lot

999
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Speaker 17: of bugs, and kids like Luca, when they are exposed

1000
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Speaker 17: to those bugs. They're at significantly higher risk of holding

1001
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Speaker 17: a lot of that bacteria within their body. So the

1002
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Speaker 17: vital organs you liver, lungs, ancreous kidneys of a susceptible

1003
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Speaker 17: to far greater risk.

1004
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Speaker 3: What about the Australia question, because I've read a lot

1005
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 3: of people, a lot of parents have either gone there

1006
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 3: to get the drug because it's funded, or have basically

1007
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 3: a go bag and a plan to go.

1008
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:17,800
Speaker 6: Yep, that was my wife, Courtney and me.

1009
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Speaker 17: I'd already spoken to my boss over in Australia about

1010
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Speaker 17: the potential for us to move over if things got

1011
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 17: worse with Luca, and we were absolutely ready to pull

1012
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Speaker 17: the trigger if it meant that we would give him

1013
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Speaker 17: better opportunities. And we know a lot of people within

1014
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Speaker 17: the cistic fibrosis community that have done it already. So

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Speaker 17: hopefully the news today sort of gives them hope that

1016
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Speaker 17: if there was an opportunity for them to come home,

1017
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Speaker 17: they can.

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Speaker 3: Just as a dad, you know, life expectancy going and

1019
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 3: doctors saying this, going from thirty to sixty, do you

1020
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Speaker 3: just start thinking about a whole bunch of things that

1021
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Speaker 3: you maybe didn't let yourself think about.

1022
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Speaker 17: Absolutely, it's yeah, when we first heard the news that

1023
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Speaker 17: Luca had I had no idea what cystic fibrosis was.

1024
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Speaker 17: And then you start to research it and you realize

1025
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Speaker 17: just how serious it is, and you start to talk

1026
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 17: to people that you know, and they know someone that

1027
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Speaker 17: knew someone that you had a sibling or a sister

1028
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Speaker 17: or a brother that had passed away before these sorts

1029
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Speaker 17: of drugs were available, and it just it scares the

1030
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Speaker 17: lights out of us that, you know, without these types

1031
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 17: of drugs, that that could have been a situation that

1032
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Speaker 17: we would have had to have faced. We're just so

1033
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Speaker 17: lucky and well obviously think about the families that have

1034
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Speaker 17: suffered in the past, and you just think our lucky

1035
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 17: stars that that these sorts of drugs are are available now.

1036
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Speaker 3: One hundred percent, and thank goodness that they are too.

1037
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Speaker 3: Appreciate your time tonight, Liam, Thank you. That's Liam Rooney,

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Speaker 3: whose two year old son Luca has cystic fibrosis and

1039
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Speaker 3: will now be available or eligible, I should say, for

1040
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Speaker 3: tri Capta thanks to Farmac designing to fund it. It

1041
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Speaker 3: is twenty to six.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, a name

1043
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:12,360
Speaker 1: you can trust locally and globally.

1044
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 3: On the hell tonight clear to lord journalist is with

1045
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 3: us at the desk, clear, good evening, good evening, run

1046
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:18,799
Speaker 3: good to see you as always, And Sainzo's with us,

1047
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 3: Mark Sainsbury Broadcaster in Wellington. Saint Zo come in, good evening,

1048
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:22,879
Speaker 3: How are.

1049
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Speaker 6: You Yeah, good bud. Fantastic news about Luca.

1050
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Speaker 3: Oh so cool, so good, such a good story. Yeah,

1051
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:34,880
Speaker 3: you know, and you know because we've obviously been as journalists,

1052
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 3: well actually the three of us probably over the years

1053
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 3: have covered stories like this and what can we fund

1054
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 3: and what can't we fund? But to actually hear that

1055
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:46,279
Speaker 3: your child will you know, will have a wedding, will

1056
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Speaker 3: be able all of these things life events that will

1057
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Speaker 3: be able to happen, Mark, Yeah, And giving them the

1058
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Speaker 3: best chance.

1059
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Speaker 22: And they can actually date somebody, go out with someone

1060
00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:00,479
Speaker 22: who they don't have to say ahead of time, don't

1061
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 22: get too serious about me, or keep it to themselves

1062
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:06,879
Speaker 22: that they have a very limited life expectancy or risk

1063
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Speaker 22: that they are going to be dumped. I interviewed somebody

1064
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Speaker 22: with cystic vibrosis a few years ago, and it was

1065
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Speaker 22: a very sad story of never being able to have

1066
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Speaker 22: an ongoing serious relationship because of the limited life expectancy

1067
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Speaker 22: and the heartbreak that would be involved on two sides.

1068
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Speaker 22: So you know, I mean, that's fantastically life changing.

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Speaker 3: Very cool, very cool. Now let's go to Trump in Greenland.

1070
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Speaker 3: Not so cool, although he's Pikeland. Pikeland, sorry to give me,

1071
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Speaker 3: give me back. It's interesting because the you know, this

1072
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 3: time last year when he did all the threats and

1073
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Speaker 3: the markets went tanked, you know, twenty percent whatever, every

1074
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Speaker 3: went crazy. This time, we're a little more wise to

1075
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Speaker 3: it now, aren't we, And we know there's going to

1076
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Speaker 3: be some sort of back down Saino.

1077
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Speaker 6: Yeah, the old Targo effect, isn't it. I mean, I

1078
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Speaker 6: just I was just saying to declare. In fact, I

1079
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Speaker 6: was talking earlier on today, we're just saying, well, we

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Speaker 6: look back and you know, sort of fifteen years time,

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Speaker 6: if we're still walking the planet and go look, you

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Speaker 6: won't believe what's this maniac there? It's every day. It's

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Speaker 6: just incomprehensible.

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Speaker 22: I think it'll be quite well. I mean, I hope

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Speaker 22: we're around in fifteen years. Mark for that really poignant conversation.

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Speaker 22: But I do think that make Carney hit the nail

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Speaker 22: on the head when he said, you know, nostalgia is

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Speaker 22: not a strategy, and in fact, you know so much

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Speaker 22: as being reset with Trump, He's the most consequential politician

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Speaker 22: for a century in that sense, because for example, every

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Speaker 22: year people gather at the United Nations in September, occasionally

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Speaker 22: the Security Council meets. What does that mean anymore when

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Speaker 22: one of the members leading members of this bill, he's

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Speaker 22: a permanent member of the of the Security Council. And also,

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Speaker 22: you know, one of the founding members of the United

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Speaker 22: Nations and the leading partner in NATO, founding part of

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Speaker 22: when when the President of the United States declares that

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Speaker 22: it's only his own morality that he answers to. Yeah,

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Speaker 22: but what does that actually mean for international order?

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Speaker 3: But what did the UN mean anyway when you got

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Speaker 3: Russia and China and you got the veto. I mean,

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Speaker 3: the whole thing's a joke.

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Speaker 22: I wouldn't call it. Oh well, I mean, certainly the

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Speaker 22: need to reform it. But over the years, in the

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Speaker 22: years gone by, the ones that Mike Canney quite right,

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Speaker 22: this is we can't just recreate the effectiveness of it

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Speaker 22: has been effective in some situations. I mean when you

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Speaker 22: look at peacekeeping forces around the world that have kept

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Speaker 22: the peace and still are getting the peace. But I

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Speaker 22: get your point. You know, we are having to look forward,

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Speaker 22: not back.

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Speaker 3: And in some ways Mark is you know, because a

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Speaker 3: lot of people say, look, everything he's doing is bad.

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Speaker 3: But the outcomes in some ways have been good. Europe,

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Speaker 3: for example, stepping up and finally paying its own way

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Speaker 3: on defense, which they're starting to do. I mean that

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Speaker 3: is a good thing.

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Speaker 6: They do have to answer for on that because they

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Speaker 6: have been happy to step back and let the let

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Speaker 6: the US sort of deal the sort of the heavy spending.

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Speaker 6: But they're not out of the woods yet. I mean,

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Speaker 6: he's saying they've got this this, this, this deal after

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Speaker 6: you know, he was desperate to negotiate with Mark Ruter.

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Speaker 6: Of course creageously calls him daddy.

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Speaker 22: Yeah that's weird but weird.

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Speaker 6: Huh, weird but weird, and Trump loves it. Trump loves

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Speaker 6: but they've already that makes But but you know, senior

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Speaker 6: people in the Danish Parliament are saying, helo minute, you

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Speaker 6: know this deal. You know, there's no mandate to negotiate

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Speaker 6: anything without us.

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Speaker 22: But don't you think don't you think it's probably going

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Speaker 22: to come down to Mark Rutter and others repackaging what

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Speaker 22: effectively exists now and presenting it to Trump as if

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Speaker 22: it's a new thing that acknowledges his concerns, that capitulates

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Speaker 22: to him in ways that flatter him. So, for example,

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Speaker 22: embassies are sovereign territory, so you know, the American embassy

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00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 22: and Wellington, it's their sovereign territory. We can't send people

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Speaker 22: in there, we can't send the police. And for example,

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00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:09,680
Speaker 22: so the bases that they have there already and that

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Speaker 22: they can expand whenever they want, apparently under the existing agreement,

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Speaker 22: or they'll call them sovereign US territory presumably not just

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Speaker 22: bass and they'll say that that's your you know, your

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00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 22: inviolable territory.

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Speaker 3: And getting on paper. Win, Yeah, give them on paper, Win.

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Speaker 22: Repackage it carefully.

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Speaker 3: Hey, we'll be back in just a second. Hold that thought, mark,

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Speaker 3: Mark Sainsbury and clear the law on the huddle.

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Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty the only

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Speaker 1: truly global brand.

1150
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Speaker 3: Twelve to six News talks. He'll be clear to law

1151
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 3: in Mark Sainsby on the Huddle tonight. Sainso Winston's surging

1152
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 3: in this taxpayer's union career pole twelve percent for close

1153
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:53,440
Speaker 3: to twelve percent for New Zealand for massive do we

1154
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Speaker 3: do you think we just give them the Just let

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Speaker 3: him b PM once, you know, before his time in politics.

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Speaker 3: Just give it to them this year?

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Speaker 6: Well, what was that Danish series that they had there

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Speaker 6: where they have the minority leader held out to be

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Speaker 6: prime minister. I think it might have been Norwegian. It was,

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Speaker 6: it was, it was, it was really they just had

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Speaker 6: them over a barrel. And look, it's just looking fascinating,

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01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 6: isn't it. Because you've got the late election. Obviously you

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Speaker 6: want the Excell's latest possible because they've got to bank

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01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 6: everything on an economic recovery. They've got to set of

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Speaker 6: see that happens. So you can understand giving them the

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Speaker 6: longest time. But you're also just getting back into this

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Speaker 6: these periods of people are just getting sick of the

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Speaker 6: major parties. Is that, you know, people aren't necess happy

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Speaker 6: with the National Coalition. Luxem just hasn't worked for a

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Speaker 6: lot of people. That doesn't mean he's going to go,

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Speaker 6: but he just he's not a popular leader. And then

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Speaker 6: people are stored but over labor and then you've got

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Speaker 6: the Hickins problem. It's just going to be a fascinating year. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: I think you're right, right, let him just be prime minister.

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Speaker 3: The next year's is it occupied? I think is that

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Speaker 3: the one you were thinking of? The Norwegian political TV show?

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Speaker 6: I know, yeah, No, that was the one in the

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Speaker 6: Russians invaded? Was Borgan? I think it was cool.

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Speaker 3: Yes, the woman, the woman, here's the key votes and.

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Speaker 6: They said, right, you want to support on Prime Minister.

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Speaker 3: That's right. They're all quite good. And they're all on

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Speaker 3: Netflix too anyway.

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Speaker 22: You know, it's sort of almost like a reality TV

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Speaker 22: show almost.

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Speaker 14: Have you watched Brockmeyer?

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Speaker 3: No, oh my gosh, oh really? Which where is that

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Speaker 3: on Netflix?

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Speaker 6: On Netflix?

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Speaker 3: Children watch?

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Speaker 6: You don't watch it with any kids?

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Speaker 3: Okay, sounds good, all right, Winston Peter's.

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Speaker 22: Clear, Well, I think the poles will bounce around a bit,

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Speaker 22: so I wouldn't really just hang hat entirely just on

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01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:46,360
Speaker 22: this one. As everyone says, it's the trend that matters,

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01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 22: which will be the most boring oft repeated statement. You're

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01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:52,960
Speaker 22: here from anyone commenting on the poles, which is a

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01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:55,600
Speaker 22: very very foolish thing to be doing most of the time.

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Speaker 22: And you know, people at the moment. I think Mark's

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Speaker 22: right and the sense that people, you know, neither of

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Speaker 22: neither Chris nor Christopher set people on fire despite their efforts.

1201
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Speaker 22: In the Women's weeklies, for example, you'll notice that Winston

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Speaker 22: doesn't do that. You don't get at home with Winston Peters.

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Speaker 3: No, he doesn't do that. Person.

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Speaker 22: No, despite not doing that sort of mushy thing, he

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Speaker 22: manages pretty well to maintain where.

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Speaker 3: He is his respect. Did not like to necessarily a yeah.

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Speaker 22: Probably, although you know when people meet him they seem

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01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:31,400
Speaker 22: to still like him. So I do think that this

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01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:34,600
Speaker 22: could be his year for you know, it might be

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Speaker 22: his final election.

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Speaker 23: Who knows that.

1212
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Speaker 22: You can never say never with Winston. But I think

1213
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Speaker 22: people who are sort of a bit fed up early

1214
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Speaker 22: in the piece, they're probably going to say, well, I

1215
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:45,640
Speaker 22: might give Winston Peters go, I might give New Zealand

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Speaker 22: first go. Doesn't mean they'll vote that way because they're

1217
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Speaker 22: not committed to doing that, but it's a feeling. It's

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Speaker 22: a moment in time now, that's how people feel. So

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Speaker 22: the challenges obviously on the right for Chris luxman Coe

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Speaker 22: to persuade us that make us feel and make real

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Speaker 22: this economic recovery.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, Hey, very quickly.

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Speaker 6: As they said on the castle, it's all about the vibe.

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Speaker 3: That is about the vibe very quickly before we go

1225
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:13,640
Speaker 3: way mow in America is self driving taxis. They are

1226
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:17,800
Speaker 3: taking off and are now becoming apparently quite more aggressive

1227
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Speaker 3: on the road. They were quite slow and courteous to

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Speaker 3: start with, but are now sort of behaving more like us.

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Speaker 3: Would you guys get in one, Mark.

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Speaker 6: Yep, Yeah, I mean once you've got I don't know,

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Speaker 6: I'm not going to be the first one, but it's

1232
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Speaker 6: and I know why, for instance, can't wait since it's

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Speaker 6: a fantastico. Now I've got friends, like a dear friend

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Speaker 6: of us, Mary and Ahune doesn't drive. These things would

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Speaker 6: change people's lives. Yeah, but we're going to come, you

1236
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:47,800
Speaker 6: know that, sooner or later. But we've got to make

1237
01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:50,360
Speaker 6: sure that it actually it's a bit like you know,

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01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:54,680
Speaker 6: we're talking about old diamond before you know that. They've

1239
01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:57,640
Speaker 6: got to manage the technology and make sure it's it's

1240
01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:00,920
Speaker 6: it's well, it's safety is the first thing. But I

1241
01:04:01,080 --> 01:04:01,640
Speaker 6: love the idea.

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Speaker 22: I'd barely get in a car with you, Mark, with

1243
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:05,240
Speaker 22: the way you drive, So I don't know if I'm.

1244
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Speaker 8: Going to go away more.

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Speaker 3: I like, the only thing I worry about is not

1246
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:12,760
Speaker 3: the cars, it's actually our roads, you know, one thing

1247
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:14,800
Speaker 3: to have them on the freeway in the US. Good

1248
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Speaker 3: to see you both Mark Sainsbury and Clear Delor on

1249
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Speaker 3: the Huddle tonight. It is eight to six News Talks MB.

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Speaker 3: News Talks v B. It is five minutes away from

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Speaker 3: six now. Just some updates for you on the economy

1254
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 3: as card spending. Retail card spending was down slightly in

1255
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Speaker 3: December because we had everything went but gangbusters during Black Friday,

1256
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Speaker 3: which actually has become Black Month or Black Friday Month

1257
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Speaker 3: or whatever they call it. So spending was up quite

1258
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Speaker 3: It was strong in November, but then it's fallen slightly

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Speaker 3: for December, and it was actually quite broad based, meaning

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Speaker 3: lots of different steptors felt that. So the question is

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Speaker 3: does that mean that we are going to see with

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Speaker 3: card spending restrained over the coming months over summer. That's

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Speaker 3: kind of the worry from retailer end z Asb's put

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Speaker 3: out a note on this and they say, nah, actually

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Speaker 3: calm down come the farm. This is electronic card transactions.

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Speaker 3: Calm down. Even so, even with this dip for December,

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Speaker 3: economic labor market recovery underway. We anticipate, they say, a

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Speaker 3: gradual recovery of consumers spending over twenty twenty six. So

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Speaker 3: it might be a little bit bumpy here and there,

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Speaker 3: but it is all tracking in the right direction. That's

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Speaker 3: from ASB nine. Two ninety two is the number to

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Speaker 3: text and always love your feedback. After six tonight, we're

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Speaker 3: going to talk to Malcolm John's from Genesis, he's the

1274
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Speaker 3: boss about how are we getting other lakes full? Apparently

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Speaker 3: they're doing quite well hydro and also gas because and

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Speaker 3: I've got a couple of friends who are getting rid

1277
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Speaker 3: of gas in their homes at the moment. One of

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Speaker 3: them is hitting a pool which sounds very expensive and

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Speaker 3: getting rid of basically switching. So a lot of that

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Speaker 3: stuff's going on. And does that what does that do

1281
01:06:06,680 --> 01:06:09,240
Speaker 3: to the supply of people come off? And the more

1282
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Speaker 3: does that make it cheaper? We'll speak to Malcolm John's

1283
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Speaker 3: about all of this stuff from Genesis next man.

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Speaker 8: You take them man, And then I'm backing Chico.

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Speaker 23: Another vigin enemy.

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Speaker 3: That'd be six and six good evening. Great to have

1291
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Speaker 3: your company coming up. We'll get to Jamie McKay, host

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Speaker 3: of the Country shows, mats with Sam Dickey and end

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Speaker 3: the Brady in the UK for us. For top of

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Speaker 3: the r let's go to some operating reports from power companies.

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01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:08,320
Speaker 3: I know how sexy does that sound? Don't worry it

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Speaker 3: is been some very interesting tidbits in the latest reports

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Speaker 3: from both Contact and Genesis. First interesting thing is water

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01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:17,960
Speaker 3: hydro storage up, meaning we've got good supply to power

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Speaker 3: the grid. Second interesting thing prices, not necessarily the retail price,

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01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:24,440
Speaker 3: but Ford prices falling by as much as fifty percent

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01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:26,880
Speaker 3: in the past two weeks. What does this mean? Malcolm

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Speaker 3: John's is Genesis Energy chief executive with me tonight, Malcolm,

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01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:30,920
Speaker 3: Good evening.

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01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:33,880
Speaker 12: Good evening. Operating reports are always sexy.

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01:07:33,720 --> 01:07:37,480
Speaker 3: Ryan, you have to say that, you have to say that, Hey,

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01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:40,280
Speaker 3: tell us what's going so? Hydro is this? Are we

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01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:42,320
Speaker 3: in a better position than we would normally be?

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Speaker 9: Yes?

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Speaker 25: The short answer is yes, We've had fairly consistent rain

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01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:52,560
Speaker 25: events in the key catchments since really the end of

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01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:56,720
Speaker 25: spring last year, and we started spilling like Tekapo in

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01:07:57,040 --> 01:08:00,680
Speaker 25: November because it was it was at its maximum, and

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01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:03,560
Speaker 25: others around the system are also in a position now

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01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:04,960
Speaker 25: where they're.

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01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:07,480
Speaker 12: Having to spill their lakes as well. So it's a

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01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:08,600
Speaker 12: regularity of rain.

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01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:11,240
Speaker 25: Notwithstanding the rain event that's just been through the Upper

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01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:14,120
Speaker 25: North Island over the last twenty four hours or so,

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Speaker 25: it's the consistency of the rain events that have led

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01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:17,680
Speaker 25: to the position we're in.

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Speaker 3: Does that mean that we're going to be all good

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Speaker 3: for winter?

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Speaker 25: Look, basically, it's between six and eight weeks between a

1324
01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:27,680
Speaker 25: wet and a dry sequence in New Zealand, so we

1325
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:30,320
Speaker 25: don't store an enormous amount of water. Less than five

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01:08:30,360 --> 01:08:33,280
Speaker 25: percent of our total annual demand is stored in water,

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01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:37,080
Speaker 25: and so it really depends on how it rains over

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Speaker 25: the next three to four months. But the key thing

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Speaker 25: is the reserve fuel positions are very healthy. Gas storage

1330
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:48,919
Speaker 25: is near the top of its capacity and the colestock

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01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:52,080
Speaker 25: Violot Huntley is sitting well over a million tons now.

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01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:55,240
Speaker 25: So not only do we have our primary fuel in

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01:08:55,280 --> 01:08:57,519
Speaker 25: a good position, but we have our reserve fuels and

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01:08:57,680 --> 01:08:58,639
Speaker 25: very good positions as.

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Speaker 3: Well, and the sorted for ten years.

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01:09:01,280 --> 01:09:01,439
Speaker 16: Right.

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01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:06,960
Speaker 25: Yes, the contracts that we signed with the other gent

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01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:09,880
Speaker 25: tailors means that the investment in the rank and units

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01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:12,120
Speaker 25: to extend their life out to twenty thirty five is

1340
01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:13,080
Speaker 25: now well underway.

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Speaker 3: Good now as you're talking, lots of people are texting Malcolm,

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01:09:18,120 --> 01:09:20,759
Speaker 3: Michael says Ryan. Every January, the lakes are always spilled

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01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:24,000
Speaker 3: in order to drive the prices high for winter. True, no,

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01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:26,080
Speaker 3: So what's going.

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Speaker 12: On the volume of water.

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Speaker 25: We have both minimum and maximum operating ranges for the lakes.

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01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:37,920
Speaker 25: The maximums are driven by the Hyder dams, and most

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01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:40,360
Speaker 25: engineers will tell you that water spilling over the top

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01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:43,040
Speaker 25: of dams in an uncontrolled way is quite dangerous for

1350
01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:45,840
Speaker 25: the stability of the dam, and so the spill ways

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01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:48,120
Speaker 25: are put in place so that when you meet reach

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01:09:48,200 --> 01:09:51,800
Speaker 25: the maximum, that you have to start spilling the water.

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01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:53,920
Speaker 25: And so we didn't spill last summer, and I don't

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01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:57,160
Speaker 25: think we spilt the summer before, but this year we are.

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Speaker 3: So we've got water in the lakes, we've got huntly sorted.

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Speaker 3: What's going to happen to prices? Spot prices this winter?

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Speaker 25: Well, the forward curve is indicating quite a retreat from

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01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:13,240
Speaker 25: where we've been in the last couple of winters. And

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01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:16,479
Speaker 25: the reality of the New Zealand pricing system is that

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Speaker 25: over a short short period six to twelve months, you know,

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01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:22,280
Speaker 25: hydrology and the amount of rain we get when we

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01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:25,200
Speaker 25: get it as a huge driver of those those spot prices.

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Speaker 3: Did you pay any attention Do you pay any attention

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Speaker 3: to what's happening in New South Wales? You know the

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01:10:30,360 --> 01:10:33,479
Speaker 3: big well, their biggest power plant, Cold Find power plant

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01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:35,519
Speaker 3: over there, they're extending the life for two years.

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Speaker 25: We certainly do pay attention to those, and we have

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01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:41,960
Speaker 25: to remember in New Zealand that you know, we've just

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Speaker 25: extended the life of Huntley's coal generation by a decade.

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Speaker 25: And the reality is that as a small nation where

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Speaker 25: our weather is highly correlated, you know, we don't store

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Speaker 25: enough water for the lakes to be able to last

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01:10:57,920 --> 01:11:00,720
Speaker 25: long periods of time without ray and so we do

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Speaker 25: have to have a reserve generation system and Huntley's the

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Speaker 25: majority of that.

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01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:06,800
Speaker 12: It's about seventy five to eighty percent of that.

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Speaker 3: What's the situation with gas? I mean, and everyone says

1378
01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:12,800
Speaker 3: we're running out and that we might lose a field

1379
01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:16,080
Speaker 3: of two in the coming year. What's the situation and

1380
01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:18,600
Speaker 3: what do people need to do to prepare for it?

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01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:22,160
Speaker 12: What are you saying, Well, gas plays two roles in electricity.

1382
01:11:22,240 --> 01:11:26,320
Speaker 25: One is baseload or consistent generation, and the second is

1383
01:11:26,960 --> 01:11:30,960
Speaker 25: backup generation for cold winter nights and dry.

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01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:31,880
Speaker 12: Periods and the like.

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01:11:32,760 --> 01:11:35,559
Speaker 25: And with the amount of renewables that all the companies

1386
01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:38,720
Speaker 25: in New Zealand, the building base load gas generation is

1387
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:42,719
Speaker 25: in decline and will ultimately reach an expiring point sometime

1388
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:46,160
Speaker 25: between now in twenty thirty or twenty thirty two. But

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01:11:46,360 --> 01:11:49,720
Speaker 25: the need for gas as a backup generation fuel for

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01:11:51,200 --> 01:11:55,240
Speaker 25: cold winter nights, low wind periods and low rain periods remains.

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01:11:56,400 --> 01:11:59,479
Speaker 25: I think you know, the gas situation remains challenging. There's

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01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:01,479
Speaker 25: no two ways about that. It doesn't matter whether you're

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01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:04,720
Speaker 25: generating electricity, you're an industrial or a home user. The

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01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:08,200
Speaker 25: reality is that the availability of gas is becoming less

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01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:10,400
Speaker 25: and that's having an impact on the price of it.

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Speaker 3: Malcolm, appreciate your time. Always good to chat. Malcolm John's

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Speaker 3: Genesis Energy chief executive with us tonight twelve minutes after

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01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:20,599
Speaker 3: six coming up, we are talking show biz, but next

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01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:24,880
Speaker 3: we will bring online Rural Report. We're going to Jamie McKay.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Dupless Allen Drive Full Show podcast on

1401
01:12:29,479 --> 01:12:31,960
Speaker 1: iHeartRadio empowered by News Talks EBBI.

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01:12:33,240 --> 01:12:35,679
Speaker 3: News talksb is quarter past six. We were talking earlier

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01:12:35,680 --> 01:12:39,400
Speaker 3: about driverless cars over in America. The Waimo robotaxi thing

1404
01:12:39,840 --> 01:12:42,240
Speaker 3: is taking owall. I mean it's been around for a

1405
01:12:42,280 --> 01:12:45,240
Speaker 3: while now. It's particularly San Francisco. I was listening to

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01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:48,880
Speaker 3: a podcast yesterday, a Wall Street Journal podcast about this,

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01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:51,439
Speaker 3: and there was a woman on there who lives in

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01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:54,519
Speaker 3: an area and where they tested a lot of the

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01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:57,680
Speaker 3: Waymo self drive taxes, and she was saying, you know,

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01:12:57,800 --> 01:13:00,680
Speaker 3: you go home at night, should be getting the car

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01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:03,439
Speaker 3: back into the garage under her apartment, and beyond the

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01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:08,040
Speaker 3: road with four self drive taxis no one in them,

1413
01:13:09,240 --> 01:13:11,720
Speaker 3: just empty cars driving along the road. And just how

1414
01:13:11,800 --> 01:13:14,639
Speaker 3: weird that is. She said, One night she came across

1415
01:13:14,720 --> 01:13:19,400
Speaker 3: one that was sitting parked up, windows down with creep

1416
01:13:19,640 --> 01:13:21,400
Speaker 3: the I don't know if you know the TLC song,

1417
01:13:21,479 --> 01:13:24,519
Speaker 3: creep blearing out the windows, no one in the car,

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01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:31,439
Speaker 3: the totally bizarre situation. However, these things seriously reduced crashes,

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01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:34,439
Speaker 3: so eighty five percent less likely to be involved in

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01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:37,880
Speaker 3: an injury causing crash than human drivers. This is the

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01:13:38,479 --> 01:13:41,600
Speaker 3: studies that they've done in the US. Human era is

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01:13:41,680 --> 01:13:45,080
Speaker 3: a factor in ninety four percent of serious crashes in

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01:13:45,200 --> 01:13:47,400
Speaker 3: New Zealand. And you know the road tells about three

1424
01:13:47,479 --> 01:13:49,840
Speaker 3: hundred and forty odd people a year, so if you

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01:13:49,960 --> 01:13:54,640
Speaker 3: had more self drive cars, you would have fewer accidents there.

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01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:54,920
Speaker 18: It is.

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01:13:55,520 --> 01:13:58,920
Speaker 3: So just imagine an empty car, lights on, sitting there,

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01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:02,840
Speaker 3: windows down, no one in it. Very odd, very odd,

1429
01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:03,920
Speaker 3: but they'll save you.

1430
01:14:04,120 --> 01:14:04,679
Speaker 6: Like these things.

1431
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:07,560
Speaker 3: So where are they. It's twenty twenty six, Get some

1432
01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:09,479
Speaker 3: robotaxis on the roads.

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01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:17,360
Speaker 2: Please the rural report on hither due allan.

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01:14:17,240 --> 01:14:19,719
Speaker 3: Drive might not work in the country, mind you. Jamie

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01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:23,439
Speaker 3: McKay's with us now, Hey, Jamie, gooday, Ryan, how's the

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01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:26,760
Speaker 3: storm will start there? Affecting rural New Zealand because it's

1437
01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:28,280
Speaker 3: been very widespread.

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01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:31,920
Speaker 24: Well, it's affecting all of well, it's going to say

1439
01:14:32,280 --> 01:14:34,840
Speaker 24: certainly northern and eastern New Zealand. It's a shakra And

1440
01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:37,479
Speaker 24: those scenes that are Mount Monganui, and I know you've

1441
01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:41,080
Speaker 24: been talking about them, are truly truly horrific. Thoughts goes

1442
01:14:41,160 --> 01:14:44,439
Speaker 24: out to the to the families and people are tied

1443
01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:47,760
Speaker 24: up in that one. It is just goddamn awful. Look

1444
01:14:47,800 --> 01:14:50,080
Speaker 24: at the storm update from a rural point of view,

1445
01:14:50,120 --> 01:14:53,360
Speaker 24: it's caused heaps the damage ob these sleep rural and urban.

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01:14:54,160 --> 01:14:58,599
Speaker 24: In terms of livestock. For instance, this forecast rain event

1447
01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:01,760
Speaker 24: as big as it was as well forecasts, so not

1448
01:15:01,920 --> 01:15:04,599
Speaker 24: much by why they have livestock loss. They've all been

1449
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:07,280
Speaker 24: able to move livestock to higher ground. The real issue

1450
01:15:07,400 --> 01:15:11,960
Speaker 24: is obviously landslips. That's stating the obvious flooding selting on

1451
01:15:12,160 --> 01:15:15,360
Speaker 24: low lowing, low lying should I say, an often very

1452
01:15:15,400 --> 01:15:19,439
Speaker 24: good horticulture land. Then there's the infrastructure and roading damage

1453
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:23,240
Speaker 24: and the real challenge of getting like fresh produce out

1454
01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:25,280
Speaker 24: of the likes of the Gisban region, that is the

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01:15:25,400 --> 01:15:29,240
Speaker 24: vegetable and salad bowl of this country. State Highway too

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01:15:29,720 --> 01:15:33,759
Speaker 24: from a Potoquy through to Gisbon is out for months

1457
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:36,920
Speaker 24: rather than weeks, we're told, and at the stage State

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01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:40,280
Speaker 24: Highway thirty five going around the top round the East Cape.

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01:15:40,760 --> 01:15:41,599
Speaker 6: Is also out.

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01:15:41,720 --> 01:15:44,120
Speaker 24: So if you want to get produce out of Gisbon

1461
01:15:44,200 --> 01:15:46,160
Speaker 24: at the moment by road, you're going to have to

1462
01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:48,400
Speaker 24: go through the middle of the North Island. And I

1463
01:15:48,520 --> 01:15:50,680
Speaker 24: know the keyw fruit industry is very worried about this

1464
01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:53,000
Speaker 24: because they truck a hell of a lot of keyw

1465
01:15:53,120 --> 01:15:55,759
Speaker 24: fruit from the Gisbone orchards to the Bay of Plenty

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01:15:55,840 --> 01:16:03,000
Speaker 24: pack houses and obviously onto Port Taronga. Horrific damage. Horrific

1467
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Speaker 24: rainfall numbers in Northland seven hundred mills on on. One

1468
01:16:07,720 --> 01:16:11,439
Speaker 24: farmer told me since Sunday, that's like twice the annual

1469
01:16:11,560 --> 01:16:16,800
Speaker 24: rainfall of Alexandra. Twice the annual rainfall of Alexandra in

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01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:18,200
Speaker 24: three or four days.

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Speaker 3: It's a lot of rain now long last, cheap farmers

1472
01:16:22,360 --> 01:16:23,599
Speaker 3: making money from their wool.

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Speaker 24: Yeah, while it's all relative, yes, for many years or

1474
01:16:29,200 --> 01:16:32,360
Speaker 24: not for many years, certainly since COVID onward, it's cost

1475
01:16:32,479 --> 01:16:35,800
Speaker 24: farmers to share their sheep they put. By the time

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01:16:35,880 --> 01:16:38,760
Speaker 24: they pay the sharers and truck their wall off to

1477
01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:42,120
Speaker 24: market or to the auction are they end up losing

1478
01:16:42,520 --> 01:16:46,160
Speaker 24: money from their wall receipts. So prices have risen, and

1479
01:16:46,240 --> 01:16:48,920
Speaker 24: we're talking mainly strong crossbead prices because they've been the

1480
01:16:49,000 --> 01:16:52,439
Speaker 24: issue rather than the fine wall ones. The risen thirty

1481
01:16:52,479 --> 01:16:56,280
Speaker 24: percent in the past year. Full lengthly selling at five

1482
01:16:56,360 --> 01:16:59,760
Speaker 24: dollars thirty clean exporters can't get enough of it the

1483
01:17:00,080 --> 01:17:03,840
Speaker 24: short so it looks like the market will continue up.

1484
01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:06,439
Speaker 24: The last time it was at this level was August

1485
01:17:06,560 --> 01:17:10,640
Speaker 24: twenty sixteen, so that's ten years ago, before sliding to

1486
01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:14,120
Speaker 24: a real low five years ago in COVID in January

1487
01:17:14,160 --> 01:17:17,000
Speaker 24: twenty twenty one of one sixty two cents clean. So

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01:17:17,080 --> 01:17:21,400
Speaker 24: effectively we've seen a threefold increase in prices in the

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01:17:21,520 --> 01:17:24,040
Speaker 24: last five years. That's good, Ryan, But if you go

1490
01:17:24,200 --> 01:17:26,599
Speaker 24: back a bit further in time to the nineteen eighties,

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01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:29,519
Speaker 24: when I was a very young farmer, we were getting

1492
01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:33,800
Speaker 24: an excess of six dollars per kilogram clean compared to

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01:17:34,120 --> 01:17:37,160
Speaker 24: five dollars a kilogram clean. Now, that was forty years ago,

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01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:40,360
Speaker 24: so we've still got a wee bit of catching up

1495
01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:42,720
Speaker 24: to do. Look, normally, when the prices get too high,

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01:17:43,040 --> 01:17:45,639
Speaker 24: the Chinese pull the pin stop buying, but they can't

1497
01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:48,920
Speaker 24: now because there's too much demand from Europe and India,

1498
01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:51,760
Speaker 24: and the Free trade Agreement or free trade agreement with

1499
01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:54,559
Speaker 24: India is only going to help things. Sheet numbers are

1500
01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:59,519
Speaker 24: declining right around the world. In Australia and Britain, analysts

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01:18:00,200 --> 01:18:04,200
Speaker 24: analysis shows that since twenty fifteen, our wall clip has

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01:18:04,280 --> 01:18:07,479
Speaker 24: fallen four percent a year. At that rate, our wall

1503
01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:11,080
Speaker 24: will of hard From twenty fifteen to twenty thirty, we

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01:18:11,240 --> 01:18:14,080
Speaker 24: did have an oversupply. That's all out of the system now,

1505
01:18:14,520 --> 01:18:17,080
Speaker 24: so onwards and upwards for the strong wall price not

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01:18:17,200 --> 01:18:19,720
Speaker 24: before time. And the government did their bit back in

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Speaker 24: in April of last year when they announced government buildings

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01:18:23,120 --> 01:18:27,360
Speaker 24: will prefer the use of wool, which is positive for

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01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:31,719
Speaker 24: ongoing domestic for the ongoing domestic market, which further supports

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01:18:31,760 --> 01:18:34,360
Speaker 24: the market, which is good. So you know they're doing well.

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Speaker 24: They're still making a hell of a lot more money

1512
01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:38,880
Speaker 24: out of lamb and mutton than they are on a wall,

1513
01:18:39,080 --> 01:18:41,120
Speaker 24: but at least it's cash flow positive now.

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01:18:41,080 --> 01:18:44,400
Speaker 3: Right, Brigant. I've got a marino jumper and there's holes

1515
01:18:44,479 --> 01:18:46,920
Speaker 3: in the front of it, and my parents in law,

1516
01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:50,920
Speaker 3: who are farmers, said, with wool, well, marino wall, did

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01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:53,200
Speaker 3: you get short wool and long wall depending on where

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01:18:53,240 --> 01:18:56,240
Speaker 3: it comes from on the sheep, which I had no

1519
01:18:56,360 --> 01:18:59,120
Speaker 3: idea about, and so some of it is more prone

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01:18:59,200 --> 01:19:02,200
Speaker 3: to boosting open getting holes in the others.

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Speaker 24: True, Yeah, well, I don't know, like a hard up

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01:19:05,680 --> 01:19:08,360
Speaker 24: broadcast a former farmer like me Roy and I can't

1523
01:19:08,360 --> 01:19:11,400
Speaker 24: afford Marino. I remember my mother when I was a

1524
01:19:11,479 --> 01:19:13,920
Speaker 24: kid growing up on the farm, knitting me jerseys to

1525
01:19:14,040 --> 01:19:16,800
Speaker 24: wear to school out of strong crossbed wall. And I'll

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01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:18,880
Speaker 24: tell you what, you couldn't wear those next to your skin.

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01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:22,360
Speaker 24: They were as itchy as hell. But yeah, they took

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01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:25,200
Speaker 24: a bit of wearing out. And those were the days.

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01:19:25,240 --> 01:19:27,240
Speaker 24: You tell the young people of today that and they

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01:19:27,240 --> 01:19:28,080
Speaker 24: won't believe you're ran.

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Speaker 3: Jamie, Good Talk. As always, Jamie McKay hosted the Country

1532
01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:34,120
Speaker 3: here on News Talks EVY. It is twenty two minutes.

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Speaker 2: After six bridge.

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Speaker 3: The Prime Minister's office is just announced and there'll be

1535
01:19:38,600 --> 01:19:40,840
Speaker 3: no surprise I guess for you to hear this that

1536
01:19:40,960 --> 01:19:45,280
Speaker 3: he won't be attending the Latin celebrations tomorrow. He will

1537
01:19:45,360 --> 01:19:47,800
Speaker 3: instead be heading to the East Coast to check out

1538
01:19:47,920 --> 01:19:51,240
Speaker 3: the damage and survey the damage from the weather events there,

1539
01:19:51,280 --> 01:19:54,400
Speaker 3: from all the bad rain, the slash that's come down

1540
01:19:55,080 --> 01:19:58,559
Speaker 3: there were Mark Mitchell said one area Tadador I think

1541
01:19:58,840 --> 01:20:02,320
Speaker 3: was on the East Cape will resemble the war zone.

1542
01:20:02,360 --> 01:20:04,479
Speaker 3: So he'll be going to check out those areas tomorrow

1543
01:20:04,680 --> 01:20:08,519
Speaker 3: rather than head to Ratana. But Nikola Willis and Tama

1544
01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:10,840
Speaker 3: Pultaka will go in his place instead. We'll get to

1545
01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:12,400
Speaker 3: show biz next, News Talks MB.

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01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:16,639
Speaker 1: Whether it's Macro micro or just plain economics. It's all

1547
01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:20,840
Speaker 1: on the Business Hour with Ryan Bridge and Mas Insurance

1548
01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:21,720
Speaker 1: and Investments.

1549
01:20:21,960 --> 01:20:23,759
Speaker 2: Your futures in good hands.

1550
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:27,400
Speaker 3: News Talks MB six twenty five. After News at six thirty,

1551
01:20:27,439 --> 01:20:29,840
Speaker 3: we'll get to Sam Dickey. He's got a market update

1552
01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:32,439
Speaker 3: for us and before Top of the and Brady has

1553
01:20:32,560 --> 01:20:33,040
Speaker 3: in the UK.

1554
01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:36,839
Speaker 2: There's no business like show business.

1555
01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:38,600
Speaker 22: Still never find another like me.

1556
01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:52,639
Speaker 3: The Songwriter Hall of Fame class of twenty twenty six

1557
01:20:52,720 --> 01:20:54,800
Speaker 3: has just been announced and it's a big one. Among

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01:20:54,920 --> 01:21:00,360
Speaker 3: the inductees this year, Alanis Morris sett absolutely, Jean's Simmons

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01:21:00,520 --> 01:21:06,120
Speaker 3: kiss absolutely, and of course really Taylor Swift. She becomes

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Speaker 3: the second youngest ever inductee into the Hall of Fame

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01:21:08,920 --> 01:21:11,479
Speaker 3: at thirty six. Can you believe she's only thirty six?

1562
01:21:11,600 --> 01:21:14,000
Speaker 3: I mean, how famous and how rich is this woman?

1563
01:21:15,240 --> 01:21:18,000
Speaker 3: She's just three years older than Stevie Wonder when he

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01:21:18,200 --> 01:21:22,600
Speaker 3: was inducted. The Songwriters Hall of Fame requires that inductees

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01:21:22,680 --> 01:21:25,439
Speaker 3: have a catalog of songs to qualify for induction, but

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01:21:25,640 --> 01:21:30,160
Speaker 3: only after twenty years from their first commercial release. Swift's

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01:21:30,240 --> 01:21:34,640
Speaker 3: album Folklore is credited as her magnum opus of songwriting,

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01:21:34,800 --> 01:21:36,800
Speaker 3: and she's the biggest artist in the world. I don't

1569
01:21:36,840 --> 01:21:39,360
Speaker 3: need to tell you how talented she is, but what

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01:21:39,520 --> 01:21:42,120
Speaker 3: I can do is give you a dramatic reading of

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01:21:42,200 --> 01:21:44,519
Speaker 3: some of her worst lyrics in the Hall of Fame

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Speaker 3: and the ones that they might want to ignore. From

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01:21:47,360 --> 01:21:50,320
Speaker 3: her song The Life of a Showgirl off her new album,

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01:21:50,520 --> 01:21:53,880
Speaker 3: she writes her name was Kitty, made her money being

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01:21:53,960 --> 01:21:57,000
Speaker 3: pretty and witty. They gave her the keys to the city.

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01:21:57,120 --> 01:22:01,439
Speaker 3: Then she said she didn't do it legitly well, that's

1577
01:22:01,479 --> 01:22:06,920
Speaker 3: inspired from her song Vigilante Shite draw the cat eye

1578
01:22:07,080 --> 01:22:10,080
Speaker 3: sharp enough to kill a man. You did some bad things,

1579
01:22:10,200 --> 01:22:12,280
Speaker 3: but I'm the worst of them. I mean, I've heard

1580
01:22:12,280 --> 01:22:16,200
Speaker 3: worst lyrics than that. Swift's commonly cited cringiest lyric comes

1581
01:22:16,240 --> 01:22:20,320
Speaker 3: from her song Me, where she says, hey, kids, spelling

1582
01:22:20,439 --> 01:22:23,800
Speaker 3: is fun. Girl. There ain't no I in team, but

1583
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:28,240
Speaker 3: you know there is a ME. I mean, you throw

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01:22:28,320 --> 01:22:30,400
Speaker 3: it all together with some music and it sounds not

1585
01:22:30,479 --> 01:22:34,400
Speaker 3: too bad enough to sell billion bucks worth of records.

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Speaker 3: US talksb News.

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01:22:37,880 --> 01:22:51,280
Speaker 1: Next everything from SMS to the Big Corporates, The Business

1588
01:22:51,320 --> 01:22:55,720
Speaker 1: Hour with Ryan Bridge and Mass Insurance and Investments. Your

1589
01:22:55,800 --> 01:22:58,479
Speaker 1: futures in good hands used talks EDB.

1590
01:23:06,600 --> 01:23:08,519
Speaker 3: It is twenty five minutes away from seven. We'll get

1591
01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:10,920
Speaker 3: to the UK within the Brady in just a few moments.

1592
01:23:13,640 --> 01:23:14,640
Speaker 2: Bran Brachete.

1593
01:23:14,880 --> 01:23:16,760
Speaker 3: Can we go to Sam Dickey for a market update.

1594
01:23:16,800 --> 01:23:19,560
Speaker 3: Equity markets a whisker off their all time highs, this

1595
01:23:19,680 --> 01:23:22,839
Speaker 3: despite a few wobbles recently. So what about the risks?

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01:23:23,160 --> 01:23:26,160
Speaker 3: Samon is with us now, Good evening, Good ending, Ryan.

1597
01:23:26,520 --> 01:23:29,719
Speaker 3: We've talked a lot about the exciting sort of positive

1598
01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:32,320
Speaker 3: catalyst for markets over the last few months, but what

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01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:35,639
Speaker 3: are the key risks investors should be focused on this year.

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Speaker 26: Yes, there's been so many perceived risky headlines so far

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01:23:42,360 --> 01:23:43,920
Speaker 26: so far this year is kind of like drinking from

1602
01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:47,000
Speaker 26: a fire hose. So we find it helpful to remember

1603
01:23:47,040 --> 01:23:49,479
Speaker 26: what really drive stop markets and that's three things. So

1604
01:23:49,600 --> 01:23:52,400
Speaker 26: the direction of economic and corporating is growth, the level

1605
01:23:52,439 --> 01:23:54,800
Speaker 26: of interest rates, and the valuational price of stock. So

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01:23:54,840 --> 01:23:57,000
Speaker 26: if we look at one key risking each of those

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01:23:57,080 --> 01:24:00,519
Speaker 26: buckets and ignore the rest of the noise. A key

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01:24:00,760 --> 01:24:02,719
Speaker 26: driver of growth in the US has been the massive

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01:24:02,720 --> 01:24:07,120
Speaker 26: build out of AI infrastructure. So the rubber meets the

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01:24:07,280 --> 01:24:09,200
Speaker 26: road this year on where the big tech companies can

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01:24:09,240 --> 01:24:11,040
Speaker 26: make a return on the hundreds of billions of dollars

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01:24:11,040 --> 01:24:14,160
Speaker 26: they spent on AI. And as is been a side Ryan,

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01:24:14,280 --> 01:24:16,920
Speaker 26: remember we were speaking back in October November about how

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01:24:17,040 --> 01:24:20,479
Speaker 26: bubbly things that got in AI land. The good news

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01:24:20,560 --> 01:24:23,400
Speaker 26: there is there's been a healthy correction the riskier names

1616
01:24:23,479 --> 01:24:26,800
Speaker 26: so Orackland cool weave, which we use using tons of

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01:24:26,880 --> 01:24:28,960
Speaker 26: debt to fund that AI built out there, down forty

1618
01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:31,360
Speaker 26: to fifty percent point there is. That's good news that

1619
01:24:31,439 --> 01:24:34,680
Speaker 26: investors are becoming more discerning. The second one is on

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01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:37,840
Speaker 26: the level of interest rates. Keep an eye on debt

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01:24:37,960 --> 01:24:41,519
Speaker 26: levels of particularly OECD countries like Japan and the US.

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01:24:41,640 --> 01:24:45,679
Speaker 26: So take Japan for example, on the thirty year debt

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01:24:45,760 --> 01:24:49,400
Speaker 26: that the government borrows. Only five to six years ago,

1624
01:24:49,560 --> 01:24:52,679
Speaker 26: the government used to pay zero percent on that thirty

1625
01:24:52,760 --> 01:24:55,080
Speaker 26: year bonds. Government bonds were at zero percent. Today it

1626
01:24:55,120 --> 01:24:58,040
Speaker 26: pays almost four percent, and an interest rate has been

1627
01:24:58,080 --> 01:25:00,840
Speaker 26: going up rapidly. So and there is keep an eye

1628
01:25:00,840 --> 01:25:02,800
Speaker 26: on those longer dated interest rates for the US and

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01:25:02,920 --> 01:25:05,920
Speaker 26: Japan for signs of stress. And the final thing is

1630
01:25:06,479 --> 01:25:09,760
Speaker 26: markets have had a very strong run since April last year.

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01:25:09,800 --> 01:25:12,320
Speaker 26: Equity markets are up forty four percent eight months, which

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01:25:12,360 --> 01:25:17,080
Speaker 26: is astonishing, and the headline valuation has elevated at twenty

1633
01:25:17,160 --> 01:25:18,160
Speaker 26: two times.

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01:25:18,360 --> 01:25:20,000
Speaker 14: Simplistic price to earnings ratio.

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01:25:21,320 --> 01:25:23,519
Speaker 26: The good news there, though, is that's reflective of just

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01:25:23,640 --> 01:25:26,160
Speaker 26: some of those really big top ten tech companies being

1637
01:25:26,200 --> 01:25:30,400
Speaker 26: fully valued, like Tesla trades on two hundred times p

1638
01:25:30,640 --> 01:25:33,800
Speaker 26: which is pretty ritzy. The good news is blue chip

1639
01:25:33,880 --> 01:25:36,599
Speaker 26: companies or quality companies that sit outside of that top

1640
01:25:36,680 --> 01:25:39,840
Speaker 26: ten were left behind and twenty twenty five, in fact,

1641
01:25:40,280 --> 01:25:42,400
Speaker 26: some of those companies of the most out of favor

1642
01:25:42,439 --> 01:25:45,440
Speaker 26: in thirty years, So that bod's really well for focused,

1643
01:25:45,720 --> 01:25:47,600
Speaker 26: selective stop picking investors.

1644
01:25:48,560 --> 01:25:52,679
Speaker 3: What about picking particular markets like you know, Japan and Germany.

1645
01:25:52,840 --> 01:25:55,080
Speaker 3: There's a lot of talk about their stimulus that, you know,

1646
01:25:55,439 --> 01:25:59,920
Speaker 3: pumping the cash in, which often leads to a lifted market.

1647
01:26:00,680 --> 01:26:03,920
Speaker 3: Is that something that we should pay close attention to

1648
01:26:04,280 --> 01:26:06,559
Speaker 3: or have we maybe missed the both on that already?

1649
01:26:07,240 --> 01:26:08,040
Speaker 3: What's the story there?

1650
01:26:09,240 --> 01:26:12,360
Speaker 26: I think that's important. That's one of the key lessons.

1651
01:26:12,400 --> 01:26:15,640
Speaker 26: You and I spoke late late last year about what

1652
01:26:15,680 --> 01:26:17,240
Speaker 26: were the key lessons of twenty twenty five. Well, the

1653
01:26:17,320 --> 01:26:20,439
Speaker 26: key lesson is it's possible to make money outside of

1654
01:26:20,439 --> 01:26:23,120
Speaker 26: the US, and for the third time in fifteen years,

1655
01:26:24,080 --> 01:26:28,400
Speaker 26: non US markets outperform in the US, Japan, as you mentioned, China, Brazil,

1656
01:26:28,479 --> 01:26:29,439
Speaker 26: emerging markets.

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01:26:30,600 --> 01:26:32,040
Speaker 14: There's some good places to make money.

1658
01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:37,639
Speaker 26: Japan has had a specific stock market sort of stimulus

1659
01:26:37,720 --> 01:26:39,360
Speaker 26: package going on. Apart from the fact they're trying to

1660
01:26:39,400 --> 01:26:42,920
Speaker 26: reflate their economy, they've also told all of the companies

1661
01:26:42,920 --> 01:26:45,000
Speaker 26: that are listed on their stock market that they must

1662
01:26:45,080 --> 01:26:48,640
Speaker 26: do shareholder for any things. They must use some of

1663
01:26:48,680 --> 01:26:50,639
Speaker 26: the lazy cash on their balance sheet, they must pay

1664
01:26:50,720 --> 01:26:54,080
Speaker 26: higher dividends, they must drive up return. So that's been really,

1665
01:26:54,120 --> 01:26:56,080
Speaker 26: really positive, and I think there's still more to run there,

1666
01:26:56,920 --> 01:27:00,800
Speaker 26: notwithstanding by the way, that overriding risk of the price

1667
01:27:00,840 --> 01:27:02,280
Speaker 26: of money there. I mean, just keep an eye on

1668
01:27:02,280 --> 01:27:05,880
Speaker 26: those thirty year bonds. They moved very aggressively two days ago,

1669
01:27:06,040 --> 01:27:07,479
Speaker 26: So we just want to make sure that the Bank

1670
01:27:07,520 --> 01:27:10,679
Speaker 26: of Japan doesn't lose control of its bond market.

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01:27:11,439 --> 01:27:14,720
Speaker 3: Sam, if we were to have a Trump Liberation Day

1672
01:27:14,840 --> 01:27:18,439
Speaker 3: outburst again tomorrow, this is just a hypothetical, but throw

1673
01:27:18,479 --> 01:27:21,280
Speaker 3: it at you. Do you think the markets would react,

1674
01:27:21,560 --> 01:27:24,200
Speaker 3: wouldn't react as dramatically as they did last year. Like

1675
01:27:24,240 --> 01:27:25,920
Speaker 3: we kind of learned the lesson with him a little

1676
01:27:25,920 --> 01:27:27,880
Speaker 3: bit that he that he you know, he goes crazy,

1677
01:27:28,000 --> 01:27:29,680
Speaker 3: he does the art of the deal thing, and then

1678
01:27:29,800 --> 01:27:31,120
Speaker 3: he pulls back and does a deal.

1679
01:27:32,400 --> 01:27:32,639
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:27:33,240 --> 01:27:36,960
Speaker 26: I think it's a spot like one of those diminishing

1681
01:27:37,080 --> 01:27:39,920
Speaker 26: marginal utility of the shock factor, right or the out

1682
01:27:39,920 --> 01:27:43,519
Speaker 26: of the deal it is. I mean when I talk

1683
01:27:43,560 --> 01:27:45,760
Speaker 26: about drinking from a fire hose to start the year,

1684
01:27:45,800 --> 01:27:49,400
Speaker 26: that was most of those headlines were related to Trump

1685
01:27:49,479 --> 01:27:52,400
Speaker 26: policies or tweets should I say, and whether it be

1686
01:27:53,000 --> 01:27:57,120
Speaker 26: captain credit card rates in the US, you know, the

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01:27:57,400 --> 01:28:00,400
Speaker 26: Iran headlines of being assueded headlines, the Greenland head lines,

1688
01:28:01,120 --> 01:28:04,000
Speaker 26: and I think he piled on so much and those

1689
01:28:04,040 --> 01:28:06,320
Speaker 26: policies came so thick and fast it eventually the market

1690
01:28:06,360 --> 01:28:08,040
Speaker 26: did blink a couple of days ago. But then, of

1691
01:28:08,120 --> 01:28:12,960
Speaker 26: course he's already subsequently walked away from the Greenland threats

1692
01:28:12,960 --> 01:28:13,400
Speaker 26: to an extent.

1693
01:28:13,520 --> 01:28:15,320
Speaker 14: The market had a big bounce overnight.

1694
01:28:15,439 --> 01:28:19,200
Speaker 26: So I think you're did right, Ryan, is a diminishing

1695
01:28:19,240 --> 01:28:20,880
Speaker 26: marginal utility of the shop factor.

1696
01:28:21,479 --> 01:28:25,040
Speaker 3: What about the Iran That's the next one on the

1697
01:28:25,160 --> 01:28:27,800
Speaker 3: cab off the rank if we're to believe what's coming

1698
01:28:27,840 --> 01:28:29,960
Speaker 3: out of the White House. We spoke to Marco Rubio's

1699
01:28:30,760 --> 01:28:32,800
Speaker 3: former pres SECT today and he was saying, look, this

1700
01:28:32,880 --> 01:28:35,519
Speaker 3: is the one you want to watch. This is coming next.

1701
01:28:35,680 --> 01:28:38,240
Speaker 3: There's a troop build up or military build up in

1702
01:28:38,280 --> 01:28:41,439
Speaker 3: the Middle East from the United States. Is that as

1703
01:28:41,560 --> 01:28:43,639
Speaker 3: big a deal? Would it be as big a deal

1704
01:28:43,720 --> 01:28:46,840
Speaker 3: to markets as say, the Greenland threats have been.

1705
01:28:48,720 --> 01:28:53,280
Speaker 26: I think these geopolitical you know, flare ups are always

1706
01:28:53,360 --> 01:28:56,599
Speaker 26: concerning most, not least, because there's a real human element.

1707
01:28:56,720 --> 01:28:59,720
Speaker 26: Then we shouldn't forget about that. But what history does

1708
01:28:59,800 --> 01:29:02,080
Speaker 26: tell us, You know, you can go back super long term,

1709
01:29:02,120 --> 01:29:05,080
Speaker 26: over one hundred and five years. You know, we've had

1710
01:29:05,280 --> 01:29:09,680
Speaker 26: a couple of world wars, you know, depression, numerous recessions,

1711
01:29:10,479 --> 01:29:13,320
Speaker 26: and still markets are up, you know, hundreds of fold,

1712
01:29:14,120 --> 01:29:16,400
Speaker 26: you know. But then it even shorter term and you

1713
01:29:16,520 --> 01:29:20,200
Speaker 26: go back to Ukraine and even if you'd had tomorrow's

1714
01:29:20,200 --> 01:29:22,200
Speaker 26: newspaper yesterday, you wouldn't have made any money. People were

1715
01:29:22,240 --> 01:29:26,679
Speaker 26: convinced that, you know, gas prices would saw, energy prices

1716
01:29:26,720 --> 01:29:31,000
Speaker 26: would saw, grain prices would saw because you know, Ukraine's

1717
01:29:31,040 --> 01:29:33,240
Speaker 26: the weak bowl of Europe.

1718
01:29:33,720 --> 01:29:34,320
Speaker 14: The factors.

1719
01:29:35,080 --> 01:29:38,680
Speaker 26: The day before Putin invaded was the highest price we

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Speaker 26: saw for some of those gas prices, the oil price,

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Speaker 26: and some of those food prices.

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Speaker 14: So it's really hard to trade.

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Speaker 26: The point is it's really hard to trade around these

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Speaker 26: geopolitical events and politics as well, the US midterm elections

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Speaker 26: coming up.

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Speaker 14: That's the first point.

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Speaker 26: And the second point is, generally speaking, and I don't

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Speaker 26: say this lightly, the market fades these things. They move

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Speaker 26: on from these things fairly quickly. So I would put

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Speaker 26: that in the camp of not ultra important for those

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Speaker 26: three things, the price of money or interest rates, the

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Speaker 26: price of stocks, and the direction of you know, economic growth.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Interesting, Thanks for letting me throw anything I can

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Speaker 3: and want to hit you, Sam. I've always appreciated the problem.

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Speaker 3: You're insight, Sam. Dicky Fisher funds with us. Tonight it

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Speaker 3: is eighteen to seven. We're lying to the UK next.

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Speaker 1: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

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Speaker 3: News TALKSBB called to seven News Talks MB. You could

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Speaker 3: hear the unclinching across Europe as Trump back down on Greenland.

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Speaker 3: Let's go to Indebrady, a UK correspondent. Did you hear

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Speaker 3: it too?

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Speaker 9: Yes?

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Speaker 24: Right?

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Speaker 23: Look, relief, one word, relief everyone in Europe. This has

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01:30:53,840 --> 01:30:56,920
Speaker 23: just exercised everyone's brains since the turn of the year.

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Speaker 23: I guess relief gladly. So that everything seems to be

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01:31:02,600 --> 01:31:05,200
Speaker 23: calming down. A deal is imminent, and I think the

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Speaker 23: person we can thank is Mark Rutta, the NATO Secretary

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Speaker 23: General former Prime Minister of the Netherlands. He seems to

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Speaker 23: have Trump's here and he spent some time privately with

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01:31:14,760 --> 01:31:18,840
Speaker 23: him yesterday and Davos, and after that everything changed. But

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01:31:19,040 --> 01:31:21,679
Speaker 23: Trump turned up. It was fire and fury. One hour

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01:31:21,760 --> 01:31:26,200
Speaker 23: of his speech. He got quite carried away. On multiple occasions.

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Speaker 23: He mistakenly called Greenland Iceland. We don't know, well, we

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01:31:30,520 --> 01:31:32,479
Speaker 23: don't know if it was deliberate, as he's trying to

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Speaker 23: frighten people in Iceland as well, but he kept calling

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Speaker 23: Greenland Iceland and vice versa. It was a very strange speech.

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Speaker 23: And then everything just calmed down a couple of hours

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Speaker 23: later after he met Rutta. So something has changed. I

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Speaker 23: think a deal is imminent, but America will not be

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Speaker 23: invading Greenland. It won't be using military force.

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Speaker 3: In saying all of that. The Allies won't forget this,

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Speaker 3: will they. I mean, there's been a few things not

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Speaker 3: to forget so bad, but this one in particular, Well, I.

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Speaker 23: Think everyone in Europe now has come to the conclusion belatedly.

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Speaker 23: I believe that Trump is not a friend. And we

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Speaker 23: saw his behavior here in the United Kingdom. He came

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Speaker 23: here on a second state visit, which was unprecedented in September,

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Speaker 23: and within four days of him going home, he was

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Speaker 23: having a goal and being really critical about the mayor

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Speaker 23: of London, Sadik Khan, who has won three elections back

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Speaker 23: to back to back, by the way, you know, democratic

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Speaker 23: elections to be mayor of London and is doing a

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Speaker 23: good job and is a decent, hard working man. And

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Speaker 23: Trump had ripped into him just a few days after

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Speaker 23: being in London. So we know what he is and

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01:32:38,800 --> 01:32:40,519
Speaker 23: it's all about him. It's all about the.

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Speaker 16: Deal, you know.

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Speaker 23: Make no mistake. Greenland's rare earth minerals will be heading

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Speaker 23: to the United States. But the question I would ask,

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Speaker 23: having had Greenlandic people on my TV show last week,

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Speaker 23: why haven't they been taken out of the earth so far?

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Speaker 23: People have known about them for a century. There's a

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Speaker 23: very good reason.

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Speaker 3: Now Stama is off to China. I saw the protest

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Speaker 3: about the mega embassy in London that people didn't want

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Speaker 3: to be built. He's greenlet the nails off to China.

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Speaker 23: Yes, trade deals, this is what this is all about.

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Speaker 23: He's taking quite a few British CEOs with him on

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Speaker 23: this mission to Beijing. No UK Prime minister has been

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Speaker 23: to China since twenty eighteen, back in the days of

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Speaker 23: Teresa May.

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Speaker 3: So this is a big deal.

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Speaker 23: And look, I think Starmer couldn't have gone to China

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Speaker 23: without signing off on their new embassy in London. It

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Speaker 23: is a mega embassy by the way, it is going

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Speaker 23: to be when it's built, the biggest Chinese embassy anywhere

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Speaker 23: in the world. Now people have had concerns. Certainly the

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Speaker 23: Hong Kong expat community are very concerned about surveillance, an

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Speaker 23: arrest and torture. That's what they allege. We know there

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Speaker 23: are bunker basement rooms put in on the architectural plans.

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Speaker 23: The intelligence services have serious concerns that those bunker rooms

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Speaker 23: will be used to tap into the financial cables that

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01:33:58,320 --> 01:34:00,840
Speaker 23: go through the city of London, all the banking and

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Speaker 23: wire transactions. So there have been legitimate concerns raised about

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Speaker 23: why China needs and embassy of this size.

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Speaker 3: But I think the.

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Speaker 23: Chinese were getting angrier and angrier. They bought that land

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Speaker 23: in twenty eighteen and it's taken eight years for the

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Speaker 23: UK to grant planning permission.

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Speaker 3: Now it's got a Harry. He's lift caught after two

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Speaker 3: hours giving evidence. This is the Daily Mail case in tears.

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Speaker 23: Yes, an emotional finish to Harry's evidence. So two hours

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Speaker 23: understand and he gave as good as he got and

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Speaker 23: he made the point. He landed quite a few blows yesterday.

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Speaker 23: So this is his final piece of legislation or core

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Speaker 23: case against the newspapers. It's against the Daily Mail and

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Speaker 23: the Mail on Sunday who deny any wrongdoing. And Harry

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Speaker 23: very forcefully said in his evidence yesterday through tears at

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Speaker 23: the end, that these newspapers have made my wife's life

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01:34:53,280 --> 01:34:56,639
Speaker 23: a misery. That was the key message. And he spoke

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Speaker 23: also about other relationships that broke down because the trust

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01:35:01,040 --> 01:35:03,720
Speaker 23: was gone, or anything that appeared in the newspapers. He

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01:35:03,760 --> 01:35:07,040
Speaker 23: would question the talsest people to him and he believes

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Speaker 23: that it wasn't people in his circle leaking information that

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Speaker 23: it was newspapers gathering things nefariously. So the case continues

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Speaker 23: and Liz Hurley, the actress and model, will give evidence

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Speaker 23: later today nine weeks.

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Speaker 3: This is scheduled on Appreciate your time, Endo Brady, our

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Speaker 3: UK correspondent. It is ten to seven News Talk ZIBB.

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Speaker 2: It's the Heather too.

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Speaker 1: Per Se Allan Drive full show podcast on iHeartRadio powered

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Speaker 3: News Talk ZIBB is eight minutes away from seven. You'll

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Speaker 3: be pleased to hear two things. One this weekend might

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Speaker 3: be a little bit cooler weatherwise, but it will be

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01:35:42,880 --> 01:35:44,000
Speaker 3: much drier, thank you.

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Speaker 6: We need that.

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Speaker 3: But also in Tieder aftery Gisbin, the civil Defense there

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01:35:48,600 --> 01:35:50,439
Speaker 3: have said that because they had a hope, as you know,

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Speaker 3: a whole bunch of road closures, they have been able

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Speaker 3: to and this is hard work of road crews open

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Speaker 3: eleven out of the thirty four roads that were closed

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Speaker 3: as a result of as a result of the weather.

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Speaker 3: So the thirty four local roads closed, eleven have now reopened,

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Speaker 3: twenty one still closed. They're working on those. The floodwaters

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01:36:08,960 --> 01:36:11,439
Speaker 3: are receding, which means that in some cases they actually

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Speaker 3: couldn't start the work. So although I'll be able to

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Speaker 3: start the work and actually get on with the business

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Speaker 3: of opening the roads, which would be great for the region.

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Speaker 3: You're on Newstalks MB. I'm actually currently sporting a rental car.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you remember, but late at the

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Speaker 3: end of last year I told you about how someone

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Speaker 3: don't know who, so I have my suspicions, but someone

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Speaker 3: backed into my car, and so I've finally got around

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Speaker 3: to getting it fixed. And this is a problem of

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Speaker 3: my own making, I admit. But man, rental car companies

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Speaker 3: can be quite bureaucratic, can't they. I went to pick

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Speaker 3: up the rental car, and because the car's in the garage,

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Speaker 3: and then the insurance company because your rental car. We

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01:36:47,520 --> 01:36:50,120
Speaker 3: went to pick up the rental car and went through

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Speaker 3: all the paperwork, waited in line. Let's start there anyway,

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01:36:54,680 --> 01:36:56,560
Speaker 3: waiting in line, doing the thing, get to it, and

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Speaker 3: then go to we need to put a security hold

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Speaker 3: on your car. Here's my card. Can't do that because

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Speaker 3: you need the card to have your name on it. Now,

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01:37:05,840 --> 01:37:08,400
Speaker 3: years ago I lost my f postcard, so they sent

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Speaker 3: me one in the mail. And it just says card holder,

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01:37:11,479 --> 01:37:14,040
Speaker 3: you cannot hire a rental car. And you will probably

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01:37:14,160 --> 01:37:16,320
Speaker 3: know this because you're smarter than I am. But you

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01:37:16,400 --> 01:37:18,640
Speaker 3: cannot hire a rental car unless the card. I have

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Speaker 3: my license and everything, but the card has to have

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Speaker 3: your name on it. So anyway, this was yesterday, So

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01:37:24,920 --> 01:37:27,680
Speaker 3: a day later, go back and have to do the

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Speaker 3: whole thing again, get the partner involved, get my name

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Speaker 3: at it as it. Anyway, Red Moole got a car

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Speaker 3: on the road. Things are good, but boy did it

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Speaker 3: take a while. So there's a trick for young players.

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01:37:40,520 --> 01:37:42,280
Speaker 3: Make sure you've got a card with your name on it,

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Speaker 3: otherwise you'll spend half your life at easy rentals. And

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01:37:47,560 --> 01:37:48,559
Speaker 3: what are we going out to tonight?

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Speaker 21: Prepared to wait in line? I love rock and Roll

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Speaker 21: by Jon Jet and the Black Arts to play us

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Speaker 21: out tonight. So Jone Jet and the Black Arts are

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Speaker 21: performing at the Summer Concert Series, which gets underway on

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Speaker 21: Saturday at Riverside Park in Topour. But Jones Jet and

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Speaker 21: the Black Hearts have already got to Topor a couple

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Speaker 21: of days early. And how do we know that, Well,

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Speaker 21: because they popped into the local record store. My music

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Speaker 21: grabbed one of one of her albums and signed a

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Speaker 21: few copies and stuff, said hi to the team there

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Speaker 21: and then all that. So that's pretty cool. So if

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01:38:15,680 --> 01:38:17,200
Speaker 21: you popped out of my music, they may still have

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Speaker 21: a signed copy of a Jones Jet and the Black

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Speaker 21: Hearts album to sell you. And there are still tickets

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Speaker 21: available for that show as well. And Riverside Park. I

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Speaker 21: was just at the gig there in December. It's an

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Speaker 21: absolutely superb venue. They're going to be doing shows in

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Speaker 21: Auckland and in Wanica as well, and are also on

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Speaker 21: that bill e Pop and Zen and Hoodu Guru, so

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Speaker 21: should be pretty.

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Speaker 3: Big, very cool. All right, have a good evening everyone,

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Speaker 3: And as I said at the start of the show,

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Speaker 3: thank you to all of the first responders who have

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Speaker 3: been busy across the North Island across the country today.

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Speaker 3: We will see you again tomorrow from four.

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Speaker 17: M Wow.

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Speaker 2: Where we can.

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Speaker 8: Next.

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Speaker 15: We're moving on mad Yeah, and we'll be moving on

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Speaker 15: and singing as the mold song and with me sing

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Speaker 15: in

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Speaker 1: Minut for more from Hither Duplessye Allen Drive listen live

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