1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,239 Speaker 1: New roads of national significance are coming. They'll be denounced 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:06,040 Speaker 1: by the Minister sibmi in Brown. Seven are being fast 3 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 1: tracked and construction are set to start within the next 4 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:11,479 Speaker 1: three years. The projects are Belfast to Pegasus, the Hawks 5 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: Bay Expressway, State Highway one, Cambridge to Pierreri State Higway 6 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: twenty nine at Telco, take a Temu North Link Stage 7 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 1: two Mill Roads in Auckland and walk with to Wellsford 8 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: and so Transport Minister Simmy and Brown Joyce, we now 9 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: hello simeon good morning. Will these be. 10 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:33,160 Speaker 2: Told what we've said we will toll all roads were 11 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 2: enz Intiat recommends they should have a toll. Effectively, tolls 12 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 2: are away to raise revenue to bring in prastructure investment forward. 13 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 2: And importantly, people have a choice. They can choose to 14 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 2: go on the tolled road, which is faster, more efficient 15 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 2: and safer, or they can go on the alternative road 16 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 2: where they don't have to pay, but it may add 17 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:52,879 Speaker 2: a few extra minutes to their time. So ultimately it's 18 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 2: about choice, but it's also about raising the revenue to 19 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 2: bring that investment forward so we can have the modern, 20 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:00,120 Speaker 2: reliable roading infrastructure that New Zealanders need. 21 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 1: So you ask the ns in TA, can you please 22 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 1: tell them that they decide. 23 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 2: But ulfinitely ministers have to sign off on any totlling recommendation. 24 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 2: They do a tolling assessment to determine whether or not 25 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:14,679 Speaker 2: it's suitable for that particular road and what the and 26 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:17,319 Speaker 2: what it would be. We then sign it off. We're 27 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 2: saying where they make a recommendation, the government will sign 28 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 2: it off because ultimately we want to bring that infrastructure forward. 29 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 2: We want to see it built and constructed quicker. We 30 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 2: want to be able to ensure the New Zealanders and 31 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 2: get where they want to go quicker and faster and safer. 32 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 2: So if they're going to be tough about getting things done, so. 33 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: If they're going to be told how much will the. 34 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 2: Toll be, well that would be determined as part of 35 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 2: that process and the assessments that goes into it, and 36 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 2: there will be a range of variables in terms of 37 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 2: you know, how long is the stretch of road, what 38 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 2: are what are the impacts in terms of how many 39 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 2: people may choose to go on the alternative if you 40 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 2: if you increase the toll to the range of go 41 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 2: into a tolling guest got a rough guess of no, 42 00:01:57,760 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 2: I don't. I don't have any rough guesses on it 43 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 2: because ultimate it's an assessment that has to be undertaken. 44 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 2: But what I would say is it's all about raising 45 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 2: the revenues to be able to build that infrastructure faster 46 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 2: so that New Zealanders can get where they need to 47 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 2: go quicker and safer and we can have a more 48 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 2: productive economy around them. 49 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 1: At first, taxpayers are still going to have to stump 50 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 1: up the money, aren't they going to build it? And 51 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: then they have to wait for the coffers to be 52 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:19,920 Speaker 1: refilled by the tolls. 53 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 2: Right, Well, I mean if you look around the rest 54 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 2: of the world, this is how infrastructure is built. Tolls 55 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:27,079 Speaker 2: can be used to bring forward infrastructure investment. It's also 56 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 2: a way to attract private sector investment to actually take 57 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 2: that upfront capital risk as well. If you look around 58 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 2: the world, that's what's done. You see PPPs which are 59 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 2: used where a private sector makes it up for an 60 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 2: investment and then it gets that money repaid via a 61 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:43,639 Speaker 2: toll over a long period of time. 62 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:46,360 Speaker 1: But the tolls are post construction, so you're still going 63 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:47,799 Speaker 1: to have to stump up the money to get them built. 64 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: In the first place. 65 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 2: Well, that's where a public private partnership can step in 66 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 2: and bring private sector capital upfront and take that development. 67 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 1: Risk, so these will be covered. 68 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:00,519 Speaker 2: While we've said we're up into all time to funding 69 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 2: and financing arrangements to get infrastructure built in New Zealand, 70 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 2: the reality is of the country we have an infrastructure deficit. 71 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 2: We have had six years where we've had nothing done 72 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 2: and we need to get actually get things done faster 73 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:15,640 Speaker 2: in New Zealand. And so we've said all options are 74 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 2: on the table to get infrastructure built faster in New Zealand. 75 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 2: That's why we're putting fast track on the table because 76 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:23,920 Speaker 2: otherwise these roads will take years to get consented. New 77 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 2: Zealand is a sick and tired of how long it 78 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 2: takes to get anything done in New Zealand, and as 79 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 2: a government we are we're frustrated about the time it 80 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 2: takes that we're breaking through all of those barriers so 81 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 2: we can get things done in New Zealand, just. 82 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 1: Trying to figure out how much it's going to cost 83 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: us in our cost of living. But here's the thing. 84 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 1: When the tolls stop and the fore cost has been recouped, 85 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 1: will the tolls continue to remain. 86 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 2: Well, that's a that's traditionally how it's been done in 87 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 2: some of the tolling roads in New Zealand, such as 88 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 2: the Harbor Bridge. If it's a public private partnership, there 89 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 2: may be other contractual arrangements as part of that. 90 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: What are oh simeon constructing those. 91 00:03:58,040 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 2: Roads and those decisions we made then? 92 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 1: Because if you invested in a new network for the SVIATO, 93 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 1: you just dropped out briefly there, but there we go. 94 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 1: How did you choose these first seven roads, whether economically 95 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: or politically? Because I know that Wayne Brown says as 96 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 1: a road of national significant and says opposed to national 97 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 1: significance if you know what I mean. 98 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 2: Well, many of these roads have been in the pipeline, 99 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 2: the planning pipeline for some years. They were all canceled 100 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 2: or many of them were canceled by the last Labor 101 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 2: government because they ultimately wanted to build Auckland Light Fail instead, 102 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:29,920 Speaker 2: which they failed to do. These are roads which are 103 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:34,159 Speaker 2: part of the main state highway network. Were the high 104 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:37,840 Speaker 2: volume roads which are critical to our national supply chains 105 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 2: and also unlocking land for houndling and growth. So they're 106 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:43,599 Speaker 2: all critically important infrastructure we campaigned in them in the 107 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:47,479 Speaker 2: last election. New Zealanders voted for us, and we're delivering 108 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 2: on what New Zealanders voted for us to deliver the good. 109 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:51,720 Speaker 1: So Saba, I thank you so much. That is a 110 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:53,799 Speaker 1: local government Minissipian Browning. 111 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 2: For more from the mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to 112 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 2: news talks. They'd be from six am weekdays. Follow the 113 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 2: podcast on iHeartRadio.