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Speaker 1: But as Tuesday, the Prime Minister is with us. Very

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Speaker 1: good morning to you, good Mike, Howaya very well into

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Speaker 1: a couple of quick things. Nicole McKee, Is she a liar?

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Speaker 2: No, No, she's she's doing a great job.

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Speaker 3: She cares about gun safety and she's doing a good

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Speaker 3: job reviewing an arms Act that's over forty years old

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Speaker 3: and needs some bit of work.

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Speaker 1: The inference from TV one appears to be she was

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Speaker 1: hired by Paula Bennett to do a report. They found

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Speaker 1: a loophole. She claims that she raised it with Bennett.

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Speaker 1: It's not in the report she wrote. Bennett says it

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Speaker 1: was never raised. Therefore she said she raised something she didn't,

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Speaker 1: hence the infant She.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, Look, I mean the bottom line, she's always

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Speaker 3: advocated for restrictions on what's called high magazines, high capacity magazines,

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Speaker 3: and she still does to today as well. But that

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Speaker 3: that time, and actually high capacity magazines was actually out

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Speaker 3: of scope of that report. You know how these reviews happened,

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Speaker 3: and so there are lots of ways that advice has

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Speaker 3: For her to hold that position, and so she still

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Speaker 2: Restrictions on them.

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Speaker 3: But that report was about illegal firearms, not high capacity magazines.

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Speaker 1: Just for Clarity's sake, yea. If she wasn't in chargeable,

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Speaker 1: there just seemed to be tremendous numbers of people angsty

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Speaker 1: If she wasn't in charge of this, would you still

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, or is this all act Tod McClay

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Speaker 3: and I had talked about before the election at The

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Speaker 3: Arms Act is actually forty years old, and it actually

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Speaker 3: We would have also been looking at the review of

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Speaker 3: some of the same things. But this is you know,

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Speaker 3: we've got a program of work after forty years of

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Speaker 2: Wrestled the stuff that people. We were doing it in

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Speaker 3: Phases, and one of the basics was, like, you know,

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Speaker 3: I saw a report this week saying, look, you know

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Speaker 3: there's a loophole now for gang members at gun rangers. Well,

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Speaker 3: no disrespect, but a gang member is not going to

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Speaker 3: a gun range where you learn gun safety.

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Speaker 1: Through the politics of this workout. Do you believe in

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's entirely appropriate. We revisit the Arms

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Speaker 1: Is Casey Costello a distraction now?

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Speaker 3: And as she trouble, Well, she's I mean, honestly in

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Speaker 3: I think you know she's actually very focused on on.

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Speaker 1: Well, she may be focused, but do you believe that

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, because I mean, we've got some of the

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Speaker 3: In fact, the new Zealand legislation has worked incredibly well

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Speaker 3: We've got a big number put aside as we should do.

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Speaker 3: If not, the tex Scise revenue will go up from

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Speaker 1: The reason I asked the question is that both of

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Speaker 3: I mean, I appreciate these politics at play, and they

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Speaker 2: And I'm comfortable.

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Speaker 3: That, well, I just think that's an opposition tactic to

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Speaker 2: So you know that's why I'm saying no, no.

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Speaker 1: You sacked her.

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Speaker 2: Yeah no, no, no, no, we focused. We've refocused.

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Speaker 1: No, you sacked her, you sacked I've refocused them.

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Speaker 2: We can depeat that all day long. But but what

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Speaker 2: I had to say to you is they.

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Speaker 3: Are good ministers who are focused on what I'm asking

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Speaker 1: Makes Casey Costello, Nicole McKee are safe in their portfolios.

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Speaker 1: They're doing a good job. They're backed by the government.

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Speaker 1: We're all on this. We're all on the same page. Yes, okay.

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Speaker 1: Dunedin Hospital the three billion dollar number, where is that?

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Speaker 3: Well, that's our latest assessment that it's approaching three billions.

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Speaker 3: Who it's basically the one point nine that we've put in.

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Speaker 1: Who's done the review because it's not public. There's three

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Speaker 2: No, we're not making it up.

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Speaker 3: This is just a labour special that we've inherited. Where

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Speaker 3: it's been fairies, school project, school buildings, or now to

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Speaker 3: from behind. I tell you, at three billion dollars, that

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Speaker 1: If it is three billion dollars, we haven't seen the

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Speaker 1: three billion. We've only got your word on it. If

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Speaker 1: you've got a really angry town, as you found out yesterday. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: But we said we'd make tough decisions. We said that

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Speaker 3: We can build a very good hospital in Otago for

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Speaker 3: we've got to get this thing back within the one

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Speaker 1: But if you're running it on one point nine and

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Speaker 3: I just look at all around the world, you can

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Speaker 1: Get the Chinese and you remember when we came along

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Speaker 1: look at all options. I won't be the Chinese, but

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Speaker 1: a kick ass if hospital down in another south. What's

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Speaker 3: No, there's nothing wrong with the Chinese. But I'm just saying, well,

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Speaker 3: would have seen it with the school property buildings, right.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure that report came back saying, man, we've got

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Speaker 3: huge costs, four hundred and fifty schools from memory, you know,

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Speaker 3: a couple almost two billion dollars. Not that's we do

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Speaker 1: Because I was watching Bishop and Erica stand there in

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Speaker 1: So they're building prefair buildings. I get that. But what

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Speaker 1: is whether the three billions real or you're just making

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Speaker 1: deserve and we're promise no, no, did Eve, We'll.

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Speaker 2: Get the hospital. They'll get a great hospital for one

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Speaker 2: point nine billion dollars. That's what we're going to do.

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Speaker 1: Because you need another hundred million plus for the ship

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Speaker 1: that's sunk. So are you going to replace it?

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Speaker 3: Well, it'll be dependent upon our defense capability plan that

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Speaker 3: new leaders of the military on all the three forces.

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Speaker 3: We've actually got a new minister with Judith Collins, and

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Speaker 3: a new Secretary of Defense. I've asked that new leadership

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Speaker 3: group to write us a strategy for the next ten

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Speaker 3: to twenty years because I actually want to know that

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Speaker 3: where we're going to add value to our relationships now partnerships,

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Speaker 2: Particularly Australia.

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Speaker 3: So we've got to choose, as a small country, what

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Speaker 1: Can you believe what's going on in this country at times?

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Speaker 3: We've got a lot of things to sort out, my friend. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Speaking of healthcare, the deficits blown out nine hundred and

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Speaker 2: We haven't faked the numbers.

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Speaker 3: The reality is, even if you put the pay equity

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Speaker 3: You know, you've got to make sure they've got financial capability.

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Speaker 3: And we understand when we're putting seventeen billion dollars more

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Speaker 2: And so he's sorting it out.

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Speaker 2: But you know, we've got a lot of work to do.

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Speaker 1: Okay, just quickly from Dannigan yesterday. The other heat you

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Speaker 3: Well, actually it's a number of players challenges and that's

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Speaker 1: But is anyone addressing this because I mean South the

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