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Speaker 2: Hell are you Great, New Zealand? And welcome to Matt

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Speaker 2: and Tyler Full Show Podcast number three. Oh wait for

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Speaker 2: the sixteenth of March twenty twenty six. We did three hours.

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and

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Speaker 1: everything in between. It's Matt Heath and Tyler Adams. Afternoon

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Speaker 4: Very good afternoon to you. Welcome into Monday's show. Great

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Speaker 4: to have you with us. Hope you have it a

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Speaker 4: fantastic afternoon. You had a good weekend as well. Get

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Speaker 4: a Matte, get a Tyler, get everyone. Just before we

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Speaker 4: get into the show, can I just give a shout

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Speaker 4: out to a company called a Connaways never dealt with

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Speaker 3: I can't give a shout out to them. Let me

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Speaker 3: tell you the story.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, you can, No, this is good.

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Speaker 4: Let me tell you the story, and then you decide

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Speaker 3: So there's a gardener doing a bit of.

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Speaker 4: Work around the property at the moment, and a lot

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Speaker 4: taken away. Actually, before we get to that, we're just

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Speaker 4: going to go live to the press conference with Nicola

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Speaker 4: Willis talking about our fuel situation.

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Speaker 5: In questions you have about that response and to ensure

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Speaker 5: all media outlets have the same information at the same

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Speaker 5: time in terms of our economic response. Ministers are meeting

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Speaker 5: daily to update on the situation and the potential implications

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Speaker 5: for New Zealand. We're also going ahead with a weekly

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Speaker 5: strategic meeting at which further decisions are being taken. We're

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Speaker 5: also receiving written situation updates twice daily, and of course

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Speaker 5: I updated Cabinet today on our strategy to date. There

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Speaker 5: are three parts to our strategy. The first is focused

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Speaker 5: on supply chains, including critical goods, the second is about

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Speaker 5: potential and anticipated freight disruptions, and the third is about

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Speaker 5: our economic response. So let me make a few comments

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Speaker 5: about each of those key areas. The first part of

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Speaker 5: the strategy is about anticipating and potentially, if needed, mitigating

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Speaker 5: the imp pact of the war on critical supply chains,

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Speaker 5: including consideration of steps that may be needed to ensure

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Speaker 5: the resilience of New Zealand's industrial and economic capacity. Core

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Speaker 5: issues in the supply chain which we have a high

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Speaker 5: level of focus on are fuel, but also fertilizer, plastics

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Speaker 5: and bitumen. On fuel, as MB's published data shows, current

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Speaker 5: orders are secure and we have normal levels of stock

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Speaker 5: an update as of midnight March eighth, which shows industries

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Speaker 5: confirmed stock levels for petrol, diesel and jet fuel, with

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Speaker 5: petrol coverage at fifty seven days, diesel at forty nine

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Speaker 5: days and jet fuel at forty seven days. And while

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Speaker 5: we acknowledge that not all of that stock is yet

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Speaker 5: I advised that as of yesterday, thirteen vessels were safely

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Speaker 5: future updates. Channel Infrastructure, which operates New Zealand's largest fuel

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Speaker 5: Ships carrying fuel are continuing to depart for New Zealand

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Speaker 5: and arrive as scheduled. Obviously, there has been an impact

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Speaker 5: on price. Petrol prices have risen about forty five to

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Speaker 5: New Zealanders. Diesel prices have risen about seventy two cents

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Speaker 5: it is reasonable to assume they could go higher.

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Speaker 6: If the conflict is prolonged.

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Speaker 5: There could be a point in the future at which

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Speaker 5: fuel importers do face challenges securing orders. That is because

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Speaker 5: the Asian fuel refineries who New Zealand imports most of

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Speaker 5: Under the National Fuel Plan, we are working very closely

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Speaker 5: about whether they are facing those challenges so that we

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Speaker 6: As a principle, of our response.

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Speaker 5: Wherever possible, we are using existing mechanisms, existing plans to

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Speaker 5: also have as a core principle working closely with industry

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Speaker 5: and being proactive in a timely manner. We do anticipate

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Speaker 5: working with fuel companies if needed to help secure orders.

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Speaker 6: There is a role for diplomacy here.

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Speaker 5: That would include things such as looking at fuel specifications

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Speaker 6: The Prime Minister has already engaged.

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Speaker 6: Wherever we can work together, we are.

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Speaker 5: Potential options would potentially also include down the line, reducing

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Speaker 5: the minimum stockholding obligat obligate applications obligations at firm's face

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Speaker 5: so that they can dip into the buffer that we have. That,

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Speaker 5: of course, is what the buffer is there for. It

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Speaker 5: is therefore the potential disruption to supply. I note that

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Speaker 5: Australia has already had to act to reduce its minimum

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Speaker 5: stockholding applications. New Zealand isn't there yet. On fertilizer, key

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Speaker 5: industry players have signaled there are sufficient stocks in supply

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Speaker 6: But I do note that prices are rising.

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Speaker 5: As of Friday, the price of urea was up fifty

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Speaker 5: US five hundred and ninety one dollars a ton. That

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Speaker 5: the international price of food.

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Speaker 6: However, it is still seventy five percent.

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Speaker 5: Below the levels it reached in twenty twenty two after

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Speaker 5: Russia invasion invaded Ukraine. On plastics, the Ministry for Primary

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Speaker 5: with smaller businesses and remain engaged with exporters on what

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Speaker 5: there may needs be On Bitchamen officials are conducting a

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Speaker 5: around ninety three days of working stock currently at port.

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Speaker 5: Turning now to the second leg of our strategy, This

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Speaker 5: which is shipping, insurance, air freight disruptions, costs.

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Speaker 6: And availability of shipping.

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Speaker 5: With the amount of disruption we're seeing globally to shipping,

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Speaker 5: it is foreseeable that New Zealand exporters and importers could

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Speaker 5: We have already been working closely through the Ministry of

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Speaker 5: be re certificated into other ports. That is stock that

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Speaker 5: was due to go to the Middle East getting new

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Speaker 5: food safety certificates so it can enter other markets. There

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Speaker 5: actively worked to increase cooperation on cool storage and the

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Speaker 5: like so that goods need not purish. The third area

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Speaker 5: of our strategy is anticipating and to the extent possible,

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Speaker 5: mitigating the impact on the New Zealand economy, including what

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Speaker 5: could potentially be acute cost of living pressures for some households.

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Speaker 5: I've spoken to each of the chief executives of the

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Speaker 6: Through this challenging time.

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Speaker 5: From the government's point of view, we need to ensure

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Speaker 5: and is timely. Officials have advised us explicitly that reducing

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Speaker 5: and it would not be sufficiently targeted. The principles that

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Speaker 5: we are using in all of this are that, wherever possible,

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Speaker 5: let's use existing tools and mechanisms, including ways of engaging

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Speaker 7: Well, what wrong signal would reducing fuel excise center?

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Speaker 5: Well, we're conscious that the world is in an environment

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Speaker 5: reducing prices in a way that would encourage people to

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Speaker 6: Also very conscious.

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Speaker 5: That we have just received a report from the Royal

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Speaker 5: we should be careful that additional financial support is targeted

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Speaker 5: and temporary. And in this case, my household simply won't

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Speaker 5: have in mind those New Zealanders who face the most

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Speaker 5: acute cost of living pressures, rather than having blanket blanket

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Speaker 5: responses which tie up a lot of others. What adoptions then,

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Speaker 5: nor considered specific options. However, what I am candidly sharing

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Speaker 5: consider a timely, temporary and targeted response. Well, at the moment,

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Speaker 5: as I say, price levels have not reached the level

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Speaker 3: Just going back to the excise cup in bookly, is

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Speaker 4: She was asked several times at what level would that

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Speaker 3: It sounds like they'm still in the very early stages.

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Speaker 4: But anyone hoping for a broad cut to thee to

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Speaker 2: if you're worried about that would just to be cap

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Speaker 4: Be twenty five past one. Who have just heard from

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Speaker 4: of course, but given an update on our fuel security situation.

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Speaker 4: They say there is plenty of supply in the country.

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Speaker 4: But she did talk about the economic response, what would

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Speaker 4: I watee hundred eighty ten eighty is the number.

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Speaker 2: To coour Nicola Willis just delivered their most detailed and

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Speaker 3: Hi Mars, Remember.

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Speaker 2: Nikola Willis and Christoph Luxana doing a most brilliant job

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Speaker 3: He certainly does. Nine two is the texts? Keep them

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Speaker 4: But we will play a couple of messages because we're

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Speaker 3: But really can never chat with you. I WA one

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Speaker 2: No one asked the obvious question. If supply lines are

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Speaker 2: Gas station Wihola has zero cars. We'll update it next time.

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Speaker 3: Please do.

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Speaker 1: The headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic hosking breakfast.

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Speaker 2: Time inistom is with us from the Islands. Would we

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Speaker 2: What's your sense of it.

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Speaker 8: The key thing here really is with respect to this

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Speaker 8: thing is is Zellen's well positioned with respect to fuel supply.

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Speaker 8: But it's just making sure that we're thinking a head

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Speaker 2: Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hoski Breakfast with

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Speaker 3: Very very good afternoon, Sue.

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Speaker 4: It is twenty nine to two and an interesting part of.

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Speaker 3: What's going on at the moment.

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Speaker 4: And you would have just heard that clip from the

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Speaker 4: so they certainly have capabilities, but at this point we

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Speaker 2: Right there you go. So this textas says Hosking, is right.

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Speaker 2: She should have announced we send a frigate to help

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Speaker 2: we need to do our bit to secure it, send

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's interesting do we if we're so worried

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Speaker 2: how do you one hundred percent protect from a drone attack?

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Speaker 4: I think he can separate being on the ground and

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Speaker 3: You know, I assume is why the units.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean the UK have said they're not

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Speaker 2: You say you will send help to curry favor. You

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Speaker 2: spend ages getting the ship ready, then you slowly put

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Speaker 2: up there, stopping off at every before port, and you're

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Speaker 2: just the whole way there. You're hoping it's over before

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Speaker 2: you get there. But you're appearing to support the fuel

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Speaker 2: the fuel supply. Hey, guys, wrong conclusion. The XOS tax

446
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Speaker 2: on fuel is a fixed amount since per liter so

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Speaker 2: doesn't go up with price GST. It's the only percentage

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Speaker 2: of selling price. But it is a shortage. Then the

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Speaker 2: total amount sold might go down as the price goes up. Yees, Steve,

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Speaker 2: that's right. I mean, what is it adds that seventy

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Speaker 2: seven cents the exis attack.

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Speaker 3: Last time I looked at it. Yeah, well, but the

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Speaker 3: point the.

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Speaker 2: GST is added at the end of that, So the

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Speaker 2: GST take goes up. So if you wanted to allay

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Speaker 2: the amount of money people were paying the government still

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Speaker 2: getting the GST. Just pulling a number out of my butt,

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Speaker 2: but you could lower the excise tax from seventy seven

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Speaker 2: to seventy cents or something. Yeah, and if the price

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Speaker 2: is going up, that may be pulled in by the GST,

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Speaker 2: if you see what I'm saying. Yeah, so the amount

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Speaker 2: of GST take you're taking from fuel as the price

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Speaker 2: goes up is more.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I believe it's exactly what they did after the Ukraine

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Speaker 4: Russia situation, that there was a reduction and that fuel

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Speaker 4: excise tax for a limited amount of time.

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Speaker 3: Do you agree? O? One hundred eighty ten eighty is

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Speaker 3: that number?

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Speaker 2: Our ships are parked at the bottom of the sea

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Speaker 2: in Samoa. One of them is one of them, one

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Speaker 2: of the more pricey ones. That's yeah.

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Speaker 3: R and P Manawanui. And that was a time, wasn't

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Speaker 3: it headlines with Scarlet coming up but taking your calls

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Speaker 3: on one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 10: fuel even if gas prices keep rising. That she says

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Speaker 10: that consider a considered temporary response for those who need

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Speaker 10: it most. If prices go up dramatically. Nikola Willis says

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Speaker 10: the decisions yet to be made on how that would look.

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Speaker 4: Thank you very much, Scarlett. So we are talking about

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Speaker 4: the fuel issue with the New Zealand. Nicola Willis just

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Speaker 4: held a press conference saying the government's got it under control.

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Speaker 4: So one question there is do you agree the government

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Speaker 4: has this under control? Have your fears been allayed? But

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Speaker 4: we've also been talking about the potential. We haven't been

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Speaker 4: asked yet, but a lot of other countries have, and

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Speaker 4: there may come a time where the US does ask

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Speaker 4: us to help keep the strait of Humus open.

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Speaker 3: Should we go?

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Speaker 2: Jeremy says, we have a tiny military rely on the

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Speaker 2: US to protect us. We get the benefit of a

510
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Speaker 2: safe world without Iran getting nuclear weapons. We get most

511
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Speaker 2: of our refined fuel from Korea. Career gets most of

512
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Speaker 2: that through the state of Humus. Yes, we need to

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Speaker 2: do our bit and sind troops.

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Speaker 3: Jeremy, oh boots on the grounds. Okay, well that does

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Speaker 3: a step up.

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Speaker 2: No one's asked that. Yeah, someone saying the Manawanui was

517
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Speaker 2: not a frigate. I mean everyone was aware of that.

518
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Speaker 2: There was a joke that someone was sending through. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: they were just saying, you know, we say, seen our

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Speaker 2: frigates go and our ships all at the bottom of

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Speaker 2: the sooner some more, and it's like we know that

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Speaker 2: it wasn't that, That's not it was. I mean, our

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Speaker 2: our frigates are the him In z s t Car

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Speaker 2: and the him In Zidima. Nice, they're they are our

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Speaker 2: main combat vessels, so fang both of them up there. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: what do you say? I wait, one hundred eighty ten

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Speaker 2: eighty what kind of capabilities they've got. They've got some

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Speaker 2: long range naval support, fire support, you know, on the

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Speaker 2: they've got guns, they've got service to air missile systems,

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Speaker 2: heavy machine guns and cannons on board, so you know

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Speaker 2: that that can they shoot down drones? That's the question

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Speaker 2: that are trying to attack freighters going through a strait.

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Speaker 4: Just be a force, wouldn't it that if other countries

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Speaker 4: agree to it as well? But what do you say

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Speaker 4: nine two ninety two is the text number. Well, let's

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Speaker 4: go to the phones term you reckon. We should make

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Speaker 4: an offer to assist.

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Speaker 11: Absolutely, we should be first and show a bit of leadership.

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Speaker 11: It's to go give the Americans a hand. The likelihood

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Speaker 11: that would be from the front line is virtually nil.

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Speaker 11: We've got the new Poseidon aircraft. They might be for

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Speaker 11: the surveillance. Just make the offer. It'll probably would never

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Speaker 11: likely even get close to being engaged. If we were,

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Speaker 11: it'd be far from the front line. But I would

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Speaker 11: think that our bank balance is in the future. Exports

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Speaker 11: would be rewarded handsomely for showing a bit of leadership

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Speaker 11: in the South Pacific and putting something on the line

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Speaker 11: for it. Changes that are wadled round and gutless'll be

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Speaker 11: the best thing we evident as the country for our

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Speaker 11: own economy going forward would be rewarded for it. I'm sure,

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Speaker 11: because he's pretty careful about Paris and so forth, I

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Speaker 11: can guarantee we would set the standard of the Pacifics

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Speaker 11: that Australia and you would be Winston Churchill up north

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Speaker 11: would dream about the result we'd yet.

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Speaker 2: Now, yeah, often when we help out in these things.

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Speaker 2: It's just to be in a list of countries. So

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Speaker 2: you know, if America wants to do something and it

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Speaker 2: wants it wants, it wants to be able to sell that.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people involved, Yes, then they may request

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Speaker 2: just to have us on the list. Australia and New

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Speaker 2: Zealand's all involved. But yeah, I mean, if we wanted

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Speaker 2: to be purely economic about it, and purely economic with

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Speaker 2: our relationships in the United States, then you know, putting

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Speaker 2: a hand up and going yeah, we want to help, would,

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Speaker 2: as you say, Tim would, would get us a little

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Speaker 2: gold star, wouldn't it? Certainly good, good little stole star

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Speaker 2: from the Trump administration.

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Speaker 11: Think we paid huge dividends. Yeah, I'm absolutely sure, because

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Speaker 11: nobody is putting their hand up and clearly they're got

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Speaker 11: going to be required to potentially, and I would think

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Speaker 11: they'll have wore moves under control of them four or

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Speaker 11: five weeks quite comfortably. But I'm sure it would never

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Speaker 11: be forgotten.

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Speaker 2: The gesture, how long do you think it would take

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Speaker 2: for one of our frigates out there would be probably

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Speaker 2: four weeks to get up there.

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Speaker 11: We'd probably run out of diesel.

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Speaker 4: That sounds like a one where you can make the offer,

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Speaker 4: but we know, you know, Trump's probably not going to

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Speaker 4: call it in that offer and it's going to take

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Speaker 4: too long.

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Speaker 2: The Navy got yeah.

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Speaker 11: Probably we'll probably be in We'll probably be in pit

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Speaker 11: cared waiting for them to drop off some forty four

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Speaker 11: gallon drums and diesel.

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Speaker 2: Yep, someone's saying, we'd have to go up to Darwin

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Speaker 2: and then across the Indian Ocean and then then hit

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Speaker 2: the Strait of hor moves right, so you know that's

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Speaker 2: going to take a wee.

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Speaker 4: While certainly by the time we get up there, they

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Speaker 4: might say turn around, boys, wores over, thank you very

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Speaker 4: much for you called tom O on one hundred and

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Speaker 4: eighty ten eighty You like tim, Do we make an

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Speaker 4: offer to say if you need us, we're ready to go,

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Speaker 4: or is that too far?

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Speaker 2: The problem is you put your hand up and say,

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Speaker 2: you know, Trump administration, look at us, we're helping out

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Speaker 2: in this situation. Here we go, we're the best. We're

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Speaker 2: at the front of the cast. At the same time,

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Speaker 2: Terra styles are going New Zealand day, we forgot to

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Speaker 2: make you guys for a wee. While New Zealand's put

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Speaker 2: up their hand and they're supporting the Trump administration in

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Speaker 2: this and then next you know, and you know there's

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Speaker 2: a few incidents, tiny little lone wolf incidents back home.

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Speaker 3: Yep, there is a danger.

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Speaker 4: Seventeen to two O eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

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Speaker 4: set number to call incidents.

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Speaker 2: Couldn't get that word out. A few incidents done.

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Speaker 1: Thank you the issues that affect you, and a bit

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Speaker 3: Use talks fourteen to two. Glen Afternoon afternoon leads. Keen

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Speaker 3: on your thoughts.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't think you need to get to panicky doing.

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Speaker 7: We need to probably panic slowly on this one. I

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Speaker 7: think nikolain ned of. You know, they've sort of said

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Speaker 7: this is what we can do and what we can't do,

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Speaker 7: and that's that's fine. That it's not at the level

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Speaker 7: that they're worried about yet. And you talk to bread

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Speaker 7: Elson the other day at Alexander came down head change.

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Speaker 9: He talked to men.

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Speaker 7: The national spend your per family is like six percent,

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Speaker 7: but you're.

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Speaker 3: Just cut in and out a little bit, Glenn. So

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Speaker 3: hopefully they're line stabilized.

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Speaker 2: You say six percent, six percent of taken them pay

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Speaker 2: for the average family, you say for Field Glenn.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, well no that's not what I'm saying. That's

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Speaker 7: what bread seems to us, that it's a better sexis sene.

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Speaker 7: So it has to go up a hell of a

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Speaker 7: lot for it to actually I mean, it feels a

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Speaker 7: lot when you're paying for it on the day compared

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Speaker 7: to what you actually spinning for the rest of the week.

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Speaker 7: It's not actually huge amount to me. The real scary

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Speaker 7: one is the fertilizer and the diesel. Like, you know,

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Speaker 7: everything you eat is growing with fertilizer, Every single vegetable

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Speaker 7: is growing with fertilizer, and then it gets to you

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Speaker 7: on diesel truck. So that's that's the scary part. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: it's not actually the guests going in the tank and

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Speaker 7: gold fuel and you know, people buying cherry cans.

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Speaker 3: And you know, it seems that, yeah, it does seem

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Speaker 3: to be the diesel that gets hit the hardest.

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Speaker 7: Right that.

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Speaker 4: Just in that press conference, she had said on average,

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Speaker 4: petrol was up twenty seven dollars a tank, diesel up

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Speaker 4: to thirty six bucks a tank. But I remember during

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Speaker 4: you know, twenty twenty two, the Ukraine Russia situation. It

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Speaker 4: was diesel that just rocketed up. It was crazy how

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Speaker 4: fast that went up. So I think that's the real

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Speaker 4: choke point, isn't it.

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Speaker 7: And it depends on what she's talking about a tank.

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Speaker 7: Is she talking about a tank in your ISSUEV Is

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Speaker 7: she talking about a tank?

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Speaker 3: She's talking about the average tank on average? Yeah, so

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Speaker 3: all the cars meash them together, and that she averaged.

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Speaker 2: Some people have got some pretty punishingly small diesel operations

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Speaker 2: going on, and some people got a big one. The

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Speaker 2: average is an interesting spot if.

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Speaker 7: You If you think that, you know, that's not actually

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Speaker 7: the problem. The diesel in the in the car tank,

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Speaker 7: the diesel in the four hundred letters stripped to the

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Speaker 7: side of the big glorry that goes past you follow

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Speaker 7: for your food, that's the problem. Right. So yeah, that's

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Speaker 7: that's stuff that's scary. As they say they've got fifty days, right,

666
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Speaker 7: which is you know, that's a long time. And we

667
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Speaker 7: all know that America are really good at getting into

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Speaker 7: wars and they're really good at getting out of them,

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Speaker 7: and you know, just just to just sarting for you

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Speaker 7: to finish on boys, if you even feel that you

671
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Speaker 7: haven't done a very good job, you know, you know,

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Speaker 7: you feel like the days that have gone against you.

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Speaker 7: Always remember it took ten trillion dollars and four presidents

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Speaker 7: to replace the teleband with the teleband.

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Speaker 3: Investment.

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Speaker 2: That is that is such a good way to look

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Speaker 2: at Yeah, yeah, that was a hard as So they're

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Speaker 2: saying that fuel normal for all the panic. Fuel levels

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Speaker 2: are normal, that's what they're saying. Yeah, so we've got

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Speaker 2: fifty six days of petrol, yeah, forty nine of diesel,

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Speaker 2: and forty seven days of jetful. So it's normal.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and all that tank are the are the the

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Speaker 4: you know, the tank is going to make it. They're

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Speaker 4: on routes you said, thirteen are coming here, and there's

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Speaker 4: another three ready to leave.

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Speaker 2: And we're sweet for your ear for autumn.

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Speaker 12: Yep.

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Speaker 3: So it's good you need that.

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Speaker 2: It has gone up quite a bit, but we're we're

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Speaker 2: not going to run out of that. This person says

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Speaker 2: Trump is only asking for help because the idiot is

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Speaker 2: losing the war. Well, Trump hasn't asked for help. And

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Speaker 2: you know, whatever you think of those attacks and why

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Speaker 2: they happened, you couldn't say he's losing the regime change

695
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Speaker 2: may not be happening, but one hundred and ninety ballistic

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Speaker 2: missile launchers have been destroyed, ninety Iranian naval vessels have

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Speaker 2: been sunk, and there's thousands and thousands of raigning military casualties.

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Speaker 2: So you know, they've struck missile bases, you know, naval

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Speaker 2: mind depots, basically all of their radar defense systems and

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Speaker 2: their weapons storage bunkers.

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Speaker 12: Yep.

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Speaker 2: And they've just attacked carg Island.

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Speaker 4: So and they don't know if this new, how many

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Speaker 4: is even even alive, might be disfigured, might not be around,

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Speaker 4: who knows, nobody's seen them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so you couldn't say they're losing, but they

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Speaker 2: may not be. Who knows what they're achieving their goals are,

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Speaker 2: and precisely what their goals are is a little bit confusing.

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Speaker 2: But whether they whether they they're definitely not losing if

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Speaker 2: it was between Iran and the United States.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, nicely said, oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty s.

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Speaker 4: The number to call share your views nineteen nine two.

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Speaker 4: If you want to send a text, it is nine

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Speaker 4: to two.

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Speaker 1: Matd Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on oh eight

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Speaker 1: hundred and eighty ten eighty It's mad Heathen Taylor Adams

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Speaker 1: Afternoons News Talks.

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Speaker 4: Be News Talk z B mark for a good afternoon

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Speaker 4: to you. So what did you think about what Nicola

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Speaker 4: Wallace said to say.

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Speaker 12: Well, she tells you absolutely nothing while telling you what

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Speaker 12: she won't do.

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Speaker 9: Do I tell you what she will do?

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Speaker 12: Very disappointed in mclaro as a national both very very disappointed.

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Speaker 12: And the fact that she told you that if stay

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Speaker 12: targeted excise tax this day intervened in that area, that

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Speaker 12: it would not be targeted, that it would exclude basically

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Speaker 12: exclude some people from its benefit.

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Speaker 9: That's just complete horse done.

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Speaker 12: Everybody is impacted by the cost of petrol.

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Speaker 2: I didn't quite understand that that point why there So

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Speaker 2: it was justification garbage. It testing to release someone in

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Speaker 2: South Auckland that they would help that has to drive

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Speaker 2: to work, but a lot of people have to drive

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Speaker 2: to work.

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Speaker 12: Again, it's inelastic. The demand is inelastic and by anelastics

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Speaker 12: economics one O one means as much as you stretch

738
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Speaker 12: it by increasing the price, the demand really does not change.

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Speaker 12: It absolutely has to go to extreme levels for it

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Speaker 12: to be impacted. But the relief that that they could

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Speaker 12: provide to the wider community by capping it currently in

742
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Speaker 12: a short term thing and say, okay, look we're just

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Speaker 12: going to cap it. We're not going to let go

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Speaker 12: over three that's where we're going to sit for the

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Speaker 12: next six weeks. If they if you come out and

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Speaker 12: said something like that instilled some cold foot and some

747
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Speaker 12: this is actually what we're going to do in the market.

748
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Speaker 12: So we're all of New Zealand and we can hear

749
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Speaker 12: that and go, oh, hey, the madness is going on.

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Speaker 12: But look we're capped for the next six weeks at

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Speaker 12: three bucks.

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Speaker 9: We're fine.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. The idea that we are going to suddenly

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Speaker 2: be consuming less, I'm not sure if that's true, as

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Speaker 2: you point out, so you know, because the gest is

756
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Speaker 2: the situation in here that goes up. But that's on

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Speaker 2: top of the EXOS tax. So if you say I'm

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Speaker 2: going to take five cents of the XOS tax, at

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Speaker 2: least it would be something if and you say, if

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Speaker 2: things are worth case scenario comes through. But what do

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Speaker 2: you think she was talking about. They're sending vouchers out

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Speaker 2: to particular people that can prove that they particularly need

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Speaker 2: the gas. How targeted you is.

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Speaker 12: I actually think we saw the limits of Nichola Willis's

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Speaker 12: abilities this afternoon in terms of how far she can go.

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Speaker 12: That's as far as it goes with Nicola. That's the

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Speaker 12: full depth of her bowl. There isn't it. The ball

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Speaker 12: isn't any deeper, so we need I've actually thought for

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Speaker 12: a little while she is not the chops there right, yeah, today,

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Speaker 12: so think said to me, she's not the shot.

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Speaker 4: To be fair, that that particular line was clearly round

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Speaker 4: tabled because she had it in her in her notes,

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Speaker 4: and that was round tabled with the team to say,

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Speaker 4: here's an example, and who could get help. That's a

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Speaker 4: very silly thing to do at this stage when there's

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Speaker 4: no you know, she couldn't answer.

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Speaker 2: It's not going to happen because everyone goes, what about me?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, well.

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Speaker 12: This is and to use that example, that cliched, stereotypical

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Speaker 12: old Horry example of.

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Speaker 2: The I've got to go Mark, because we're heading into

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Speaker 2: the news right now.

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Speaker 4: Hear what you say, though, and we're going to carry

784
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Speaker 4: it on, oh one hundred and eighty ten eighties, and

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Speaker 4: I'm going to call.

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and

787
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Speaker 1: everything in between It's Matt Heath and Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 13: Afternoon Squi Scoder News Talk said, be very.

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Speaker 4: Good afternoon, g you welcome back into the show. Six

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Speaker 4: past Sue So, Nichola Willis had a press conference update

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Speaker 4: on how the Iranian conflict is impacting New Zealand and

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Speaker 4: the planning in she talked about fuel security, of course,

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Speaker 4: and industry and government is very happy with where levels

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Speaker 4: are at at the moment, fifty two days supply there's

795
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Speaker 4: thirteen ships on route and that's not going to change,

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Speaker 4: she says. But an interesting part she did raise was

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Speaker 4: whether the government would cut fuel taxes to help households

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Speaker 4: deal with the rising cost of fuel. Willis said the

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Speaker 4: government was watching the fuel price and monitoring whether an

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Speaker 4: intervention rather was required, but it wasn't required at this point.

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Speaker 4: She said any intervention rather would be timely and targeted,

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Speaker 4: and she said households would not need a fuel tax cut,

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Speaker 4: but other households had little choice but to drive to

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Speaker 4: work because there were no other options.

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Speaker 3: So that's what she meant by targeted.

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Speaker 2: This sex is what absolute nonsense from your last caller.

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00:39:52,213 --> 00:39:54,573
Speaker 2: Nicola Willis has shown great leadership and if you are

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Speaker 2: just looking for a handout. Then look what labour did,

809
00:39:57,013 --> 00:40:00,373
Speaker 2: wasting so much money unnecessarily handing out to everyone half

810
00:40:00,853 --> 00:40:03,773
Speaker 2: who didn't need it and those that just abused it.

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Speaker 2: That's from Maggie. So many Nicola will Willis fans coming

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Speaker 2: through here are of course help should be targeted. Spraying

813
00:40:10,933 --> 00:40:14,533
Speaker 2: money around to indiscriminately didn't work out so well last time.

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Speaker 2: Our grandchildren will pay for that. I disagree with your

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Speaker 2: caller's assessment of Nicola Willis. All benefits are targeted, including

816
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Speaker 2: working for families. It's prudent management of limited resources. But

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Speaker 2: how is it targeted? That's the thing we're saying that

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Speaker 2: it wouldn't be spraying money around, But the if you

819
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Speaker 2: lowered excise tax whilst you're making more from the GST

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Speaker 2: because the price of fuels going up, I'm not sure

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Speaker 2: what that number would be, and it maybe be reasonably

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Speaker 2: negligible number, right yep, how much they're making, but so

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Speaker 2: that the take remains the same. Yes, as all people

824
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Speaker 2: are suggesting, But it just seems a little bit odd

825
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Speaker 2: when you go, well, we're going to have completely targeted

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Speaker 2: how do you work out that targeting? So do people

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Speaker 2: prove who they are to get the targeted help to

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Speaker 2: drive because they drive to work in a.

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Speaker 4: Particular one exactly. That's what you know when people talk

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Speaker 4: about universal relief. That is why they do it universally

831
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Speaker 4: is because it is a simple system in unusual times.

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Speaker 4: And how long it may be targeted for would be

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Speaker 4: the question. But we are not there yet, she says,

834
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Speaker 4: But really keen on your thoughts on that eight hundred

835
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Speaker 4: and eighty ten eighty, and we all are also.

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Speaker 3: Discussing the potential. We haven't been asked yet, but the

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Speaker 3: year where this has asked another couple of countries whether

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Speaker 3: they would send a few frigates to open up or

839
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Speaker 3: keep open the Strait of Hormuz, we may be on

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Speaker 3: the list at some stage. If we ever are and

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Speaker 3: our Prome Minister gets that phone call, should we send

842
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Speaker 3: a couple of boats.

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00:41:36,453 --> 00:41:38,493
Speaker 2: Here's a example. Some people that listen to our show

844
00:41:38,693 --> 00:41:40,773
Speaker 2: just hear what they think they hear. It's almost like

845
00:41:40,893 --> 00:41:43,853
Speaker 2: they hear voices. This person. Tim is one of these

846
00:41:43,893 --> 00:41:47,093
Speaker 2: people that is just making up what his anger projects.

847
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Speaker 3: Okay, let's hear it.

848
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Speaker 2: You forgot to mention, while piling on your praise for

849
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Speaker 2: Trump's success and the US Israel unprovoked attack on Iran.

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Speaker 2: The girls school they also struck, killing dozens hundred of

851
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Speaker 2: innocent children. USA, USA, USA. We were answering tim that

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00:42:03,453 --> 00:42:07,733
Speaker 2: someone that said that Trump is losing the war against Iran.

853
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Speaker 2: Whether he's reaching his goals or not, who knows. Yeah,

854
00:42:12,253 --> 00:42:18,853
Speaker 2: but the idea that he's losing against Iran, that's Iran's

855
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Speaker 2: getting smashed.

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Speaker 3: They certainly are.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and in a way that people thought that Iran

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Speaker 2: had better systems in place to protect themselves. For the

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Speaker 2: longest time, people talking about how scary Iran was. But

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Speaker 2: you know, ninety naval vessels sunk.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, I mean, I mean it is immense the

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Speaker 3: damage that they've done to Iran and its capabilities. There's

864
00:42:39,373 --> 00:42:41,773
Speaker 3: no doubt about that. So yeah, when you talk about

865
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Speaker 3: and dear term, clearly you've got a lot of hatred

866
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Speaker 3: for Trump. But there was no sort of praise going on.

867
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Speaker 3: It was just readdressing as the US losing. And I

868
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Speaker 3: don't know if you could say that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you the argument that Iran has not provoked

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Speaker 2: the US, I don't know, they've been running. They've been

871
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Speaker 2: running a lot of support for terrorists that have been attacking.

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00:43:01,933 --> 00:43:05,293
Speaker 2: If we're not directly attacking American interests, running a lot

873
00:43:05,373 --> 00:43:07,333
Speaker 2: of you know, supporting a lot of terrorists that they

874
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Speaker 2: have been so whatever you think of it hard to

875
00:43:10,053 --> 00:43:11,293
Speaker 2: say they weren't provoked.

876
00:43:11,493 --> 00:43:14,292
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number?

877
00:43:14,333 --> 00:43:16,093
Speaker 3: To call? Peter? How are you this afternoon?

878
00:43:17,133 --> 00:43:20,652
Speaker 14: Well, to me, how many terrorists activities Iran has done

879
00:43:20,653 --> 00:43:27,013
Speaker 14: against America when America was attacking Iranians helping protect Iraq,

880
00:43:27,133 --> 00:43:29,973
Speaker 14: that doesn't count. And then if you look at people

881
00:43:30,053 --> 00:43:33,573
Speaker 14: in Palestine fighting for their own country and of helping

882
00:43:33,613 --> 00:43:36,812
Speaker 14: people fight for their own country stopping Israel, you can't

883
00:43:36,853 --> 00:43:37,773
Speaker 14: classify that or.

884
00:43:37,853 --> 00:43:39,653
Speaker 2: You don't think, you don't think, you don't think that

885
00:43:40,413 --> 00:43:43,973
Speaker 2: Iran has done in anything taking morality out of the

886
00:43:44,013 --> 00:43:46,653
Speaker 2: whole situation. So you're asking what we would you have?

887
00:43:46,893 --> 00:43:50,213
Speaker 2: Has Iran put its hand up to be an opposition

888
00:43:50,333 --> 00:43:52,293
Speaker 2: of the United States of America? I mean that's really

889
00:43:52,333 --> 00:43:52,772
Speaker 2: the question.

890
00:43:53,453 --> 00:43:55,773
Speaker 14: Well, did you know that Iran when the nine to

891
00:43:55,813 --> 00:44:00,973
Speaker 14: eleven happened, they did candlelight vigils for the Americans who

892
00:44:01,093 --> 00:44:01,453
Speaker 14: died in.

893
00:44:01,933 --> 00:44:04,453
Speaker 2: Well, there's a difference between the Iranian people and the

894
00:44:04,533 --> 00:44:09,173
Speaker 2: Iranian regime, and everyone supports the Iranian people, but you

895
00:44:09,893 --> 00:44:11,933
Speaker 2: surely do not support the reigning regime.

896
00:44:12,933 --> 00:44:17,133
Speaker 14: Well, the thing is that the religion and politics, none

897
00:44:17,173 --> 00:44:19,333
Speaker 14: of it. It's all human and ego, and it's never

898
00:44:20,253 --> 00:44:22,013
Speaker 14: going to be the thing. But the thing with Trump

899
00:44:22,093 --> 00:44:24,613
Speaker 14: at the moment is that I understand the Vice president

900
00:44:25,333 --> 00:44:29,973
Speaker 14: Telsey Gabbett's mothers didn't want him to do this unprovoked

901
00:44:30,013 --> 00:44:33,772
Speaker 14: invasion into Iran, and then he thought it might sort

902
00:44:33,773 --> 00:44:36,133
Speaker 14: of happen on Saturday and the markets would open on Monday,

903
00:44:36,213 --> 00:44:39,013
Speaker 14: be all over to be a new regime. Now the

904
00:44:39,133 --> 00:44:42,573
Speaker 14: situation is allegedly the president does not want to see

905
00:44:42,653 --> 00:44:45,773
Speaker 14: people who don't support what he's done and agree with

906
00:44:45,973 --> 00:44:49,453
Speaker 14: what he's done. So when you look at the Iranian side,

907
00:44:49,493 --> 00:44:52,573
Speaker 14: Trump says they want to cease fire. The Iranian size says,

908
00:44:52,653 --> 00:44:55,773
Speaker 14: we don't want to cease fire. We want the American

909
00:44:55,893 --> 00:44:58,653
Speaker 14: bases that are threatening our security and they've been attacked

910
00:44:58,653 --> 00:45:02,652
Speaker 14: many times by the US and Israel. We want that out.

911
00:45:03,213 --> 00:45:05,413
Speaker 14: We don't want that as a threat. And the Arab

912
00:45:05,533 --> 00:45:09,173
Speaker 14: neighbors who've been hosting American bases, we don't want you

913
00:45:09,293 --> 00:45:13,053
Speaker 14: to host bases. And we're only targeting the basis where

914
00:45:13,373 --> 00:45:17,453
Speaker 14: value security. So the thing is that they Iran wants

915
00:45:17,653 --> 00:45:21,653
Speaker 14: a compensation, and America and Iran are not on the

916
00:45:21,733 --> 00:45:24,053
Speaker 14: same page, so Iran says, we're not going to stop.

917
00:45:24,573 --> 00:45:26,693
Speaker 14: I don't think the president of the US gives a

918
00:45:26,773 --> 00:45:31,133
Speaker 14: toss about the straight being open or closed, because the

919
00:45:31,293 --> 00:45:35,573
Speaker 14: US loves interfering in countries that supply oil to help

920
00:45:36,173 --> 00:45:39,172
Speaker 14: US interests that supply oil and make lots of money.

921
00:45:39,213 --> 00:45:41,172
Speaker 14: The fracas have gone up in the US are doing

922
00:45:41,253 --> 00:45:41,692
Speaker 14: quite well.

923
00:45:41,773 --> 00:45:43,573
Speaker 2: Thank you well, I mean well, I think Trump's been

924
00:45:43,613 --> 00:45:46,453
Speaker 2: quite clear about I mean, make America great again. He's

925
00:45:46,493 --> 00:45:50,093
Speaker 2: America first policy. If you look back, you know, there's

926
00:45:50,133 --> 00:45:52,652
Speaker 2: there's probably no coincidence that we're trying to gets its

927
00:45:52,653 --> 00:45:55,373
Speaker 2: oil from We can go all that, and when you

928
00:45:55,453 --> 00:46:00,573
Speaker 2: look at what America wants to achieve, probably you could

929
00:46:00,613 --> 00:46:02,093
Speaker 2: look at a couple of things. One of them would

930
00:46:02,093 --> 00:46:05,613
Speaker 2: be neutralizing Iran as a threat. I think it's unlikely

931
00:46:05,853 --> 00:46:06,893
Speaker 2: that they are.

932
00:46:07,293 --> 00:46:09,093
Speaker 14: You don't think they're doing what Israel wants.

933
00:46:09,493 --> 00:46:09,733
Speaker 2: I e.

934
00:46:09,973 --> 00:46:12,893
Speaker 14: Israel doesn't want criticism. They wanted to devise I.

935
00:46:12,893 --> 00:46:15,293
Speaker 2: Think I think I think that kind of conspiracy theory

936
00:46:15,373 --> 00:46:19,772
Speaker 2: that Israel wags, you know, controls America. I think there's

937
00:46:20,013 --> 00:46:22,013
Speaker 2: when you're deep, but that doesn't pan out when you

938
00:46:22,293 --> 00:46:25,613
Speaker 2: look into it. America doesn't like America does not like

939
00:46:26,053 --> 00:46:30,093
Speaker 2: Iran just definitely doesn't want Iran having yukes, and Iran said,

940
00:46:30,133 --> 00:46:32,013
Speaker 2: they want yukes and when they get them, they'll use them.

941
00:46:32,453 --> 00:46:36,493
Speaker 2: Iran's supporting a bunch of terrorist organizations that go up

942
00:46:36,493 --> 00:46:40,173
Speaker 2: against the US's interests, right, So America just wants to

943
00:46:40,253 --> 00:46:42,213
Speaker 2: neutralize Iran. I don't think they're doing it for the

944
00:46:42,293 --> 00:46:45,333
Speaker 2: good of the people of Palestine. I mean, not Palestine,

945
00:46:45,373 --> 00:46:49,933
Speaker 2: of Iran. I don't think that's their moral but they

946
00:46:49,973 --> 00:46:52,893
Speaker 2: would prefer regime change. But I think primarily they just

947
00:46:52,933 --> 00:46:55,773
Speaker 2: want to neutralize a threat, rightly or wrongly. I think

948
00:46:55,813 --> 00:46:59,413
Speaker 2: that's their goal and secondary goal messing with China in

949
00:46:59,533 --> 00:47:01,413
Speaker 2: terms of strategic oil.

950
00:47:01,293 --> 00:47:02,813
Speaker 14: Stuffing up their oil supply.

951
00:47:03,173 --> 00:47:03,373
Speaker 13: Yeah.

952
00:47:04,173 --> 00:47:08,693
Speaker 14: Yeah. The thing about this is that before the O

953
00:47:08,853 --> 00:47:13,853
Speaker 14: civilities happened, the leader, the religious leader who was assassinated,

954
00:47:13,973 --> 00:47:17,652
Speaker 14: was against Iran having a nuclear weapon. Out of fact way.

955
00:47:17,693 --> 00:47:20,973
Speaker 14: He banned it, but the Sun said you shouldn't ban it.

956
00:47:21,053 --> 00:47:24,893
Speaker 14: So the chances of Iran doing a nuclear weapon are

957
00:47:25,013 --> 00:47:28,493
Speaker 14: now higher than anyone else. He's got two nuclear.

958
00:47:28,173 --> 00:47:30,093
Speaker 2: Powers, both who reckons this.

959
00:47:31,453 --> 00:47:33,933
Speaker 14: Well, this is the general consensus with the experts in

960
00:47:33,973 --> 00:47:35,053
Speaker 14: American around the world.

961
00:47:35,253 --> 00:47:37,413
Speaker 2: So the general census for the experts around the world

962
00:47:37,493 --> 00:47:39,413
Speaker 2: is that Iran is now in a better position to

963
00:47:39,533 --> 00:47:41,293
Speaker 2: create a bomb than they were before.

964
00:47:42,693 --> 00:47:46,853
Speaker 14: Well because they had assassinated the person who was against it,

965
00:47:47,853 --> 00:47:50,692
Speaker 14: and because they're under threat from American and Israel both

966
00:47:50,733 --> 00:47:54,133
Speaker 14: have nuclear weapons, so they're more likely to do one

967
00:47:54,213 --> 00:47:58,053
Speaker 14: in two or three months because Israel's already mentioned that

968
00:47:58,173 --> 00:48:01,573
Speaker 14: if it loses, it could use nuclear weapons on Iran.

969
00:48:01,693 --> 00:48:04,933
Speaker 14: And Israel's a very small place. I think Iran's about

970
00:48:05,013 --> 00:48:09,453
Speaker 14: seventy five times bigger than Israel. And then the other

971
00:48:09,493 --> 00:48:12,813
Speaker 14: thing with America, if you look at their aircraft, the tanker,

972
00:48:12,893 --> 00:48:15,533
Speaker 14: they say, oh it crashed, They didn't say it was

973
00:48:15,573 --> 00:48:19,173
Speaker 14: shot down. But the other aircraft allegially saw a missile,

974
00:48:19,333 --> 00:48:22,333
Speaker 14: and when the missiles had aircraft, they are shot down.

975
00:48:22,453 --> 00:48:24,493
Speaker 14: And then you've got the friendly fire. And then you've

976
00:48:24,493 --> 00:48:29,853
Speaker 14: got six aircraft in Saudi Arabia that allegedly were damaged

977
00:48:29,933 --> 00:48:33,413
Speaker 14: while on the ground in Saudi Arabia. So to actually

978
00:48:34,093 --> 00:48:35,053
Speaker 14: say that you think.

979
00:48:34,933 --> 00:48:37,253
Speaker 2: One crashed, so you think Irana is winning.

980
00:48:38,573 --> 00:48:41,093
Speaker 14: I'm not saying They're never going to win against America.

981
00:48:41,413 --> 00:48:43,893
Speaker 14: But what I'm saying is, when you have an aircraft

982
00:48:43,973 --> 00:48:46,732
Speaker 14: that crashed, you don't have to count the flight crew

983
00:48:47,293 --> 00:48:50,533
Speaker 14: as casualties of war. You just say they crash. So

984
00:48:50,693 --> 00:48:54,693
Speaker 14: they're skewing the numbers for the Americans who are dying

985
00:48:55,573 --> 00:48:58,333
Speaker 14: by saying a crash rather than was shot down. So

986
00:48:58,813 --> 00:49:03,533
Speaker 14: the thing is Iran is not going to win military,

987
00:49:03,613 --> 00:49:07,133
Speaker 14: but it's going to cause economic chaos right round the

988
00:49:07,213 --> 00:49:11,533
Speaker 14: world because of the oil price and capitalism with fuel

989
00:49:11,733 --> 00:49:13,733
Speaker 14: is all based on people being able to go to

990
00:49:13,773 --> 00:49:16,373
Speaker 14: the supermarke. If we don't have diesel, I'm not worry

991
00:49:16,493 --> 00:49:20,453
Speaker 14: the next two months, but after that, as this carries

992
00:49:20,533 --> 00:49:25,253
Speaker 14: on going, the economic damage around the world and planting

993
00:49:25,413 --> 00:49:27,133
Speaker 14: crops and all that sort of stuff is going to

994
00:49:27,173 --> 00:49:28,013
Speaker 14: be horrendous. Will you.

995
00:49:28,333 --> 00:49:30,253
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks so much for your call, Pete. Appreciate that

996
00:49:30,333 --> 00:49:31,333
Speaker 2: we've got to go to the ad.

997
00:49:31,533 --> 00:49:34,533
Speaker 3: We certainly do. We'll respond to So maybe some of

998
00:49:34,613 --> 00:49:36,093
Speaker 3: what Pete was saying there, because he chucked a lot

999
00:49:36,133 --> 00:49:36,732
Speaker 3: of stuff at the wall.

1000
00:49:36,733 --> 00:49:38,413
Speaker 4: I got to say, I've got a bit of whiplash

1001
00:49:38,453 --> 00:49:41,813
Speaker 4: from all that. But we'll come back to that very shortly.

1002
00:49:41,893 --> 00:49:43,172
Speaker 4: It is seventeen past two.

1003
00:49:44,653 --> 00:49:49,252
Speaker 1: Your home of afternoon Talk, Mad Heathen Tayler Adams afternoons call.

1004
00:49:49,413 --> 00:49:52,173
Speaker 13: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty US Talk said.

1005
00:49:51,973 --> 00:49:52,053
Speaker 9: Be.

1006
00:49:54,133 --> 00:49:56,413
Speaker 3: Very good afternoon to you. It is twenty pass too.

1007
00:49:56,453 --> 00:49:57,453
Speaker 3: Plenty of texts coming through.

1008
00:49:57,613 --> 00:50:00,013
Speaker 2: Dave says, Hey, boys, Aran open their parliament with a

1009
00:50:00,133 --> 00:50:02,213
Speaker 2: death to America. How many times do people need to

1010
00:50:02,333 --> 00:50:04,653
Speaker 2: threaten your existence before you have to take it seriously?

1011
00:50:05,013 --> 00:50:08,253
Speaker 2: Hillary Clinton promised to invade Iran to stop them achieving

1012
00:50:08,413 --> 00:50:11,733
Speaker 2: nuclear bomb status. Trump's just doing what everyone else threatened

1013
00:50:11,773 --> 00:50:16,373
Speaker 2: to do. That's from Davis, Texas said, listen, guys. Since

1014
00:50:16,453 --> 00:50:20,413
Speaker 2: the nineteen seventy nine Islamic Revolution, Iran and Iranian back

1015
00:50:20,493 --> 00:50:23,893
Speaker 2: groups have carried out several major attacks on Americans, including

1016
00:50:23,933 --> 00:50:27,493
Speaker 2: the nineteen seventy nine Embassy hostage crisis, the eighty three

1017
00:50:28,653 --> 00:50:31,413
Speaker 2: Beirut Marine Barracks bombing that was two hundred and forty

1018
00:50:31,453 --> 00:50:35,413
Speaker 2: one troops killed US, nineteen ninety six Koba Tower's bombing,

1019
00:50:36,013 --> 00:50:39,053
Speaker 2: repeated rocket, drone and missile attacks on US forces in

1020
00:50:39,133 --> 00:50:43,013
Speaker 2: Iraq and Syria, including Iran's twenty twenty ballistic missile strike

1021
00:50:43,133 --> 00:50:47,373
Speaker 2: on the US basis after the killing of I'm not

1022
00:50:47,453 --> 00:50:50,853
Speaker 2: sure who that is, as well as funding HESBLA and

1023
00:50:51,213 --> 00:50:56,013
Speaker 2: Iraqi malicious. Yeah, so that they all I was saying

1024
00:50:56,053 --> 00:50:59,333
Speaker 2: before is to say that Iran has done nothing to

1025
00:50:59,733 --> 00:51:04,013
Speaker 2: provoke America is just not true. They've done everything they

1026
00:51:04,053 --> 00:51:07,053
Speaker 2: possibly can to provoke America. Yeah, and just whether that

1027
00:51:07,893 --> 00:51:10,773
Speaker 2: justify what's happening right now leads up to you to decide.

1028
00:51:10,813 --> 00:51:13,213
Speaker 2: But the idea that they haven't been poking America in

1029
00:51:13,213 --> 00:51:15,212
Speaker 2: the eye as much as they possibly could, yeah, as

1030
00:51:15,413 --> 00:51:15,933
Speaker 2: they have me.

1031
00:51:16,333 --> 00:51:18,413
Speaker 4: And just quickly back to Pete's point, he said that

1032
00:51:18,533 --> 00:51:22,853
Speaker 4: the previous Humeni, the Ayatola who's now being killed, was

1033
00:51:22,893 --> 00:51:26,533
Speaker 4: anti nuclear weapons, and he did launch a fat wha

1034
00:51:26,693 --> 00:51:28,253
Speaker 4: he called it, but there was no evidence of that.

1035
00:51:28,693 --> 00:51:32,253
Speaker 4: Hence why you know they're enrinching uranium projects underground and

1036
00:51:32,293 --> 00:51:35,493
Speaker 4: they were getting dangerously close according to all reports of

1037
00:51:35,613 --> 00:51:38,773
Speaker 4: that ninety five percent that is usable for a for

1038
00:51:38,893 --> 00:51:42,293
Speaker 4: a weapon would show that it was all just nonsense

1039
00:51:42,333 --> 00:51:44,173
Speaker 4: from him. He clearly carried on with the project of

1040
00:51:44,293 --> 00:51:47,613
Speaker 4: enriching uranium. So keen to get your thoughts on that.

1041
00:51:47,653 --> 00:51:49,093
Speaker 4: I one hundred and eighty ten eighty. But let's go

1042
00:51:49,133 --> 00:51:49,973
Speaker 4: to Colin get a column.

1043
00:51:52,893 --> 00:51:53,293
Speaker 9: Oh, Colin.

1044
00:51:53,533 --> 00:51:56,733
Speaker 2: Sorry, Hey, sorry Colin, I pressed the wrong button and

1045
00:51:56,813 --> 00:51:58,213
Speaker 2: I didn't put you on here. Can you go back

1046
00:51:58,253 --> 00:52:00,413
Speaker 2: to the start of everything you said after we said

1047
00:52:00,933 --> 00:52:01,613
Speaker 2: get a Colin?

1048
00:52:03,013 --> 00:52:08,933
Speaker 15: Yeah, Now getting away from the who blames who?

1049
00:52:09,013 --> 00:52:10,533
Speaker 12: And who's the Fulton good?

1050
00:52:10,853 --> 00:52:16,453
Speaker 15: You know, Damn I'd rather I'd rather cut up to

1051
00:52:16,533 --> 00:52:20,053
Speaker 15: the Americans and our allies and go to bed with

1052
00:52:20,453 --> 00:52:23,252
Speaker 15: the Iranians or anything like that. I mean, these people

1053
00:52:23,293 --> 00:52:26,053
Speaker 15: who seem to be in love with them and support

1054
00:52:26,133 --> 00:52:30,213
Speaker 15: them in they're Israeli cra I don't see any of

1055
00:52:30,213 --> 00:52:33,293
Speaker 15: them going over there and lively with them. But anyway,

1056
00:52:33,373 --> 00:52:38,173
Speaker 15: that's by the by. Just on the on the fuel

1057
00:52:38,293 --> 00:52:40,853
Speaker 15: side of things. For as far as the transport industry

1058
00:52:40,893 --> 00:52:46,293
Speaker 15: and how it can affect New Zealand consumers, I don't

1059
00:52:46,533 --> 00:52:48,613
Speaker 15: really really think a lot of people sort to think

1060
00:52:48,733 --> 00:52:51,093
Speaker 15: just how much fuel goes through the transport industry and

1061
00:52:51,133 --> 00:52:54,652
Speaker 15: how to fects the price that supermarkets and everything else

1062
00:52:54,693 --> 00:52:57,732
Speaker 15: should grow. The Australians have got signs on the back

1063
00:52:57,733 --> 00:52:59,413
Speaker 15: of all of their trucks, which should be on the

1064
00:52:59,453 --> 00:53:01,853
Speaker 15: back of all New Zeel trunk and it says there's

1065
00:53:01,893 --> 00:53:05,773
Speaker 15: a tractor truck stop. Australian stops, which is effectively the

1066
00:53:05,853 --> 00:53:06,933
Speaker 15: same as what happens here.

1067
00:53:07,853 --> 00:53:09,613
Speaker 7: You know that we stop.

1068
00:53:10,093 --> 00:53:12,732
Speaker 15: Driving or operating or being able to go, well, then

1069
00:53:12,893 --> 00:53:16,573
Speaker 15: you know, the country basically stops. The truck that I'm

1070
00:53:16,613 --> 00:53:22,453
Speaker 15: currently driving at the moment, it uses around about lord

1071
00:53:22,493 --> 00:53:26,613
Speaker 15: travels sorry, about five hundred kilometers a day. It uses

1072
00:53:26,653 --> 00:53:31,053
Speaker 15: around four hundred and fifty liters up fueled approximately at

1073
00:53:31,093 --> 00:53:34,813
Speaker 15: that time. If you multiply that by an increase of

1074
00:53:34,973 --> 00:53:38,973
Speaker 15: fuel of sayn't know, ce the eight cent. Yeah, by

1075
00:53:39,013 --> 00:53:41,453
Speaker 15: the time you're extrapolated it out to a month's use,

1076
00:53:41,533 --> 00:53:46,613
Speaker 15: you're looking at over for for foreign some one truck

1077
00:53:46,773 --> 00:53:50,453
Speaker 15: in one particular. You know, you multiply that out over

1078
00:53:50,533 --> 00:53:54,053
Speaker 15: the transport industry, and the dollars that absolutely huge. So

1079
00:53:54,773 --> 00:54:00,133
Speaker 15: you know, the cost to the transport industry is going

1080
00:54:00,213 --> 00:54:03,613
Speaker 15: to directly relate the cost of living for everybody in

1081
00:54:03,693 --> 00:54:06,533
Speaker 15: New Zlem. You know, just I'm just on a fuel price,

1082
00:54:07,493 --> 00:54:10,013
Speaker 15: you know what I mean. There's obviously, you know, nothing

1083
00:54:10,093 --> 00:54:12,133
Speaker 15: moves in this country unless it's h a truck or

1084
00:54:12,613 --> 00:54:14,813
Speaker 15: you know, from the truth pace to your underpants for

1085
00:54:14,973 --> 00:54:19,173
Speaker 15: your spray to whatever you've got the right somewhere on

1086
00:54:19,253 --> 00:54:24,133
Speaker 15: this truck. So yeah, it's going to affect us all

1087
00:54:25,253 --> 00:54:25,813
Speaker 15: that's for sure.

1088
00:54:26,173 --> 00:54:29,293
Speaker 3: Yeah, Dave, sorry, Colin rather, thank you very much for

1089
00:54:29,373 --> 00:54:30,933
Speaker 3: giving us a buzz, And you're not wrong.

1090
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Speaker 2: Crag says, Hey, guys, I work for a nationwide service

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Speaker 2: industry drive about sixty five thousand k's a year. Just

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Speaker 2: got an email from HQ telling us to fill up

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00:54:38,413 --> 00:54:41,133
Speaker 2: before midnight. They're expecting the price of diesel to increase

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00:54:41,213 --> 00:54:45,573
Speaker 2: by point five to five per liter after midnight tonight.

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Speaker 2: So it appears it's game on Regard's.

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Speaker 4: Great interesting all right, keep those techs coming through on

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00:54:49,973 --> 00:54:53,013
Speaker 4: nine to nine to two. So keen to get your

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00:54:53,133 --> 00:54:56,813
Speaker 4: thoughts on the targeted response from the government, should it

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Speaker 4: happen and should it be universal. At this stage there's

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00:54:59,933 --> 00:55:02,493
Speaker 4: no plans to implement it, but Nicola Willis did say

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00:55:02,933 --> 00:55:05,933
Speaker 4: it would be case by case specific. But also the

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Speaker 4: question on whether if we are we should set send

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Speaker 4: our frigates to the Strait.

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Speaker 3: Of hor moves to keep it open. Keen on your views.

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Speaker 3: It is twenty five past two.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty

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Speaker 1: ten eighty on News Talk ZV.

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Speaker 4: Very good afternoon to you. It is twenty eight Pass two.

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Speaker 4: Plenty of texts coming in the press.

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Speaker 2: Conference I saw with Trump says the sex was saying

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Speaker 2: that Iran was only a few weeks away from building

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Speaker 2: several nuclear weapons, so he basically had no choice kill

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Speaker 2: or be killed. I mean that's another part of the

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00:55:40,893 --> 00:55:43,613
Speaker 2: whole thing that that text before that was listening the

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00:55:43,773 --> 00:55:48,933
Speaker 2: times when Iran had provoked America was you know, Iran

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Speaker 2: has chance death to America, is very likely to use

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Speaker 2: a nuclear weapon if they have one. Yeah, So if

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Speaker 2: it's true that they thought they were going to get one,

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Speaker 2: then they get one, they use one. So what if

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Speaker 2: you think about the morality of the whole situation, whatever

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00:56:06,773 --> 00:56:11,453
Speaker 2: side of it you choose to be from America's perspective,

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Speaker 2: they and you know it's a very America first administration.

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Speaker 13: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Their thing is they don't want Iran to be funding

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Speaker 2: terrorist groups that are attacking their interests, and they also

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Speaker 2: don't want Iran to have a nuke exactly. Well, you know,

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Speaker 2: they don't want they definitely don't want the regime to

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Speaker 2: at nuke because they've said they'll use it exactly.

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Speaker 4: I think a lot of people tend to look at

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Speaker 4: at the Iranian government even the atrocities I've committed, and

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00:56:38,693 --> 00:56:41,213
Speaker 4: think they operate like a normal government that we're all

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Speaker 4: used to. They think that they use diplomatic channels and

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Speaker 4: they are bye by international rules.

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Speaker 3: That is not a government you're dealing with in Iran.

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Speaker 3: It's just not a It is a religious regime.

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Speaker 4: And they've got it there in black and white that

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Speaker 4: they want to take out Israel, for example. So having

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Speaker 4: a nuclear weapon in the hands of those people would

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Speaker 4: be devastating.

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Speaker 2: This text says, it's not about the Iran people, it's

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Speaker 2: about eliminating terrorist regime who are killing innocent Iranian people.

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Speaker 2: Want to be rid of this evil regime, religious regime

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Speaker 2: who are only five percent of the Iranian population of

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00:57:14,533 --> 00:57:18,853
Speaker 2: ninety million citizens. If you want the facts, watch TOCTV

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00:57:19,173 --> 00:57:22,453
Speaker 2: regards Jeff. That's to us ITV on YouTube.

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00:57:22,533 --> 00:57:23,933
Speaker 3: Thank you very much for that, Jeff.

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00:57:24,013 --> 00:57:25,773
Speaker 4: Keep those texts coming through on nine two ninety two,

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00:57:25,813 --> 00:57:27,973
Speaker 4: and we are getting your thoughts on oh, eight hundred

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00:57:28,293 --> 00:57:32,333
Speaker 4: eighty ten eighty is well headlines with scarlet coming up.

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Speaker 3: It is bang on half past two.

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00:57:34,573 --> 00:57:36,613
Speaker 2: It's amazing how many people that are sexing through that

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00:57:36,773 --> 00:57:40,653
Speaker 2: support actually support the Iranian regime against its own people.

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00:57:41,213 --> 00:57:42,253
Speaker 2: That is bizarre.

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00:57:42,573 --> 00:57:44,693
Speaker 3: It is when you speak to any Iranian living air

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00:57:44,733 --> 00:57:45,413
Speaker 3: in New Zealand, how.

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00:57:45,373 --> 00:57:47,293
Speaker 2: Could you list whatever you think, whether you hate Trump

1157
00:57:47,333 --> 00:57:49,613
Speaker 2: or you hate America, if you list what that regime

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00:57:49,693 --> 00:57:51,653
Speaker 2: believes in and wants to do and has done to

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00:57:51,733 --> 00:57:54,453
Speaker 2: its people and has done around the world, how you

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00:57:54,493 --> 00:57:55,293
Speaker 2: could support them?

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Speaker 3: I don't know, No, I don't understand.

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00:57:57,733 --> 00:58:01,093
Speaker 2: You know, with your moral compasses if you support that regime?

1163
00:58:01,173 --> 00:58:02,893
Speaker 3: YEA headlines with scarlet coming up.

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Speaker 13: You've talked SAIV headlines with your right.

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00:58:07,733 --> 00:58:11,253
Speaker 10: New Zealand its number one taxi app Download your ride today.

1166
00:58:11,733 --> 00:58:15,173
Speaker 10: The Finance Minister Nicola Willis has reaffirmed she won't reduce

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00:58:15,253 --> 00:58:18,613
Speaker 10: the fuel excise as the Iran war keeps prices rising

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00:58:18,693 --> 00:58:21,413
Speaker 10: at the pump, but says there is potential to help

1169
00:58:21,493 --> 00:58:25,333
Speaker 10: households with a temporary response. An appeal bid by christ

1170
00:58:25,453 --> 00:58:29,373
Speaker 10: Church rapist brothers Danny and Roberto Jazz has largely failed,

1171
00:58:29,493 --> 00:58:33,453
Speaker 10: with some charges quashed but no change to their lengthy sentences.

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00:58:34,453 --> 00:58:37,173
Speaker 10: A climate group is taking the government to court, claiming

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00:58:37,213 --> 00:58:41,733
Speaker 10: Minister Simon Watts unlawfully weakened our emissions reduction plan, risking

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00:58:41,813 --> 00:58:46,093
Speaker 10: New Zealand's climate goals. Victoria University of Wellington's joined the

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00:58:46,173 --> 00:58:50,053
Speaker 10: growing list of those with surging enrollments. Full time international

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00:58:50,173 --> 00:58:53,533
Speaker 10: student numbers jumped fifty percent annually to now sit on

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Speaker 10: a total of eighteen thousand, and Warbirds over Wonker is

1178
00:58:57,453 --> 00:59:01,413
Speaker 10: still scheduled for Easter weekend, despite concerns over spiking jet

1179
00:59:01,493 --> 00:59:05,773
Speaker 10: fuel prices and fears of shortages overseas. Aircraft scheduled to

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00:59:05,853 --> 00:59:09,693
Speaker 10: feature include two us F twenty two Raptor fighter jets

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Speaker 10: Renni's All Blacks. Read the full column at ends at

1183
00:59:15,493 --> 00:59:17,853
Speaker 10: Herald Premium. Now back to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 4: Thank you very much, Scarlett, and back to our wide

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00:59:20,733 --> 00:59:24,253
Speaker 4: ranging discussion about what's going on in Iran at the moment.

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00:59:24,333 --> 00:59:26,293
Speaker 4: So we have been talking about targeted support when it

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00:59:26,333 --> 00:59:29,333
Speaker 4: comes to the cost of fuel. The government aren't there yet,

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00:59:29,573 --> 00:59:31,333
Speaker 4: but they are considering it. But it's not going to

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Speaker 4: be universal, as in you've got the fuel excized text

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Speaker 4: and the government's probably looking at the increased text they're

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00:59:37,573 --> 00:59:40,093
Speaker 4: getting from GST and thinking maybe we can just have

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Speaker 4: that neutral. So we getting the same cash, you guys

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00:59:42,613 --> 00:59:44,373
Speaker 4: get a bit of a help, but no, no, they're

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00:59:44,373 --> 00:59:47,253
Speaker 4: looking at case by case specifics maybe, but of.

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Speaker 2: Course, and we welcome the conversation, any conversation people want

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Speaker 2: to have on O eight hundred and eighty, ten eighty

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Speaker 2: or nine two ninety two. But there's many layers of

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Speaker 2: the onion for this. And so as the sexta says,

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Speaker 2: Nikola is gaslating people talking about targeted relief as a

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01:00:00,253 --> 01:00:02,653
Speaker 2: sideswipe to Labour, who did a general one as they

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01:00:02,733 --> 01:00:05,853
Speaker 2: advised that to a specific to target a specific group

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01:00:05,853 --> 01:00:11,173
Speaker 2: would take too long. So when Nikola Willis was saying

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01:00:11,213 --> 01:00:12,933
Speaker 2: that in the press conference, this person is saying that

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01:00:13,053 --> 01:00:18,813
Speaker 2: that was directed at Labor because of their non targeted

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01:00:18,853 --> 01:00:21,333
Speaker 2: approach to trying to lower fuel costs.

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Speaker 4: And potentially because I think, you know, it's fair to

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01:00:23,213 --> 01:00:25,413
Speaker 4: say Labor made some mistakes with that. They kept it

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Speaker 4: on too long and it ended up costing about three

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Speaker 4: billion dollars.

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Speaker 3: But keep those deeds coming through. On nine two nine

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Speaker 3: to two, What is your take on that?

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Speaker 2: The stick says, Hey, Matt, I do not think they

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Speaker 2: would like it. If you look at history, we can

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Speaker 2: see us as the only country to use the nuclear

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Speaker 2: weapon on another country, only a few years after creating it,

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Speaker 2: so they clearly can't be trusted with it. I think

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Speaker 2: Iran wants to have power and be able to scare people.

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Speaker 2: I don't think they would create it and use it

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Speaker 2: straight away. Yeah, but this isn't a sane regime. And

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Speaker 2: the reason why people come saying, what you know, North

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Speaker 2: Korea has threatened to use nuclear weapons? Why why aren't

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Speaker 2: they attacking North Korea? Because as much as North Korea

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Speaker 2: is run by a dictator and as incredibly oppressive its people,

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Speaker 2: they are still running a level of logic and trying

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Speaker 2: to get the best for their country. So they believe

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Speaker 2: having a nuke might be able to get them dispensations

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Speaker 2: and put some in a position of power. What you're

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Speaker 2: talking about in Iran is a totally different thing. You're

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Speaker 2: talking about an apocalyptic death could that believes believe some

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Speaker 2: pretty crazy stuff.

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Speaker 3: It's a scorched earth policy that I've got.

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Speaker 2: The people the regime. Yeah, right, So they will use

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Speaker 2: a nuke if they get it. That's the fear they

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Speaker 2: will use it.

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Speaker 3: Because they don't answer to humanity.

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Speaker 4: They answer to the religion that they operate under, and

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Speaker 4: that religion says that they've got enemies every which way, and.

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Speaker 3: They need to be extuminated. That is part of their doctrine.

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Speaker 2: If you scratch a surface on it. A lot of

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01:01:51,973 --> 01:01:55,933
Speaker 2: people their understanding of it when you read around, is

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Speaker 2: that they need to bring on an apocalypse for the

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Speaker 2: world to change in the way that they think it

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Speaker 2: needs to change. It's complicated, it is, so it's a

1244
01:02:05,173 --> 01:02:09,733
Speaker 2: bit different, right, and look, horrible, horrible happens in Japan,

1245
01:02:10,813 --> 01:02:15,853
Speaker 2: Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The Americans did believe that that was

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Speaker 2: the only way that they could get the Japanese to surrender. Yep,

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Speaker 2: that's what they believed. That They went in with a

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Speaker 2: certain amount of logic, whether it was right or not,

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Speaker 2: because they were already just absolutely destroying Tokyo, the state

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Speaker 2: of Tokyo. You know, somewa you might as well have

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Speaker 2: dropped a bomb there for how much the blanket bombing

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Speaker 2: was doing to it.

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Speaker 4: But that morality is continued to be debated, I mean

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Speaker 4: that is and it will continue to be debated. You're right,

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Speaker 4: there was rationale, and there there's the other side of

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Speaker 4: the equation as well.

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Speaker 3: That will continue to.

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Speaker 2: Be the rationale about the Iranian want for a nuclear weapon. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I would say, could be wrong, I would say. But

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Speaker 2: also the other thing, with all these texts that are

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Speaker 2: coming in, it doesn't matter what you think in New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: What America is doing is for America's interests. It's not

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Speaker 2: for New Zealand's interests. It's not for the UK's interests.

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Speaker 2: It's not for right or wrong. They see Iran as

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Speaker 2: a threat or the Trump administration sees it run as

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Speaker 2: a threat, and so they're doing it for their interests

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Speaker 2: America first. So you can say they're wrong or right,

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Speaker 2: but that doesn't affect what they do, no, because they

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Speaker 2: believe it's right for them.

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Speaker 9: Yep.

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Speaker 3: And that's fair enough. You want to look after your country.

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Speaker 4: But then just bringing it back to if where are

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Speaker 4: should we send frigates, that's surely about protecting our interests

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Speaker 4: why we're having problems with with fuel supply. I mean,

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Speaker 4: that's my take on it. I don't get involved in

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01:03:36,453 --> 01:03:38,773
Speaker 4: what America are doing there, of course I don't. But

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Speaker 4: it's important for New Zealand that the straight up the

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01:03:41,373 --> 01:03:45,053
Speaker 4: moves runs smoothly so we can stop paying three dollars alter.

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Speaker 2: If you had a purely New Zealand first approach to it.

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Speaker 2: You might say, if we were asked to send a frigate,

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Speaker 2: we sent it up to send one, even though America

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01:03:52,653 --> 01:03:54,293
Speaker 2: would never need it, and they might just want our

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01:03:54,373 --> 01:03:55,773
Speaker 2: name on the list of it. If you if you

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01:03:55,933 --> 01:03:57,893
Speaker 2: wanted to have a purely economic look at it. And

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying we should or we shouldn't. It's you know,

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Speaker 2: have your say on O one one hundred and eighteen

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Speaker 2: eighty nine two ninety two. But you might say, we

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Speaker 2: send it up there, even though it's probably not going

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Speaker 2: to get there in time, probably won't do much, so

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Speaker 2: we can secure financial benefits for ourselves.

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Speaker 12: Yep.

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Speaker 2: That's one argument that would be having a purely economic

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01:04:14,933 --> 01:04:18,173
Speaker 2: New Zealand first approach to a conflict. What can we

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01:04:18,253 --> 01:04:19,333
Speaker 2: get out of it? You know what I mean?

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Speaker 9: Yep?

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Speaker 2: But you know the moralities whole other part of it.

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Speaker 4: Exactly What do you say, though? I eight one hundred

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Speaker 4: and eighty ten eighty is the number to call beg

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Speaker 4: forvery shortly? It is twenty one to three.

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Speaker 1: Matt and Tyler with you as your afternoon rolls on

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Speaker 1: Matt Heathan Taylor Adams Afternoons with Koda.

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Speaker 13: Can you crack the code? Please go to codes every

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Speaker 13: day news dogs, they'd.

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Speaker 3: Be eighteen to three die. What's your thoughts on all this?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 16: Hi, guys, Well, there's a couple of points I just

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Speaker 16: want to make because I think everyone's got different opinions

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Speaker 16: and we all disagree and agree on some things. But

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Speaker 16: about a week ago, week ago Sunday, American Senator Lindsey

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Speaker 16: Graham was addressing Congress and he also went on an

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Speaker 16: interview on the American TV and it was publicized that

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Speaker 16: he said the reason they went into Iran was with

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Speaker 16: the Venezuelan oil, and they would control the Iranian oil,

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Speaker 16: making them control over thirty four percent of the world's oil,

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Speaker 16: and it would make America very, very rich, and they

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Speaker 16: would control China. It was actually stated, right, that's what

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Speaker 16: he stated.

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Speaker 2: You saw him, You see the enview? Can we see

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Speaker 2: that in Cia? I didn't see this on Al Jazeera.

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Speaker 16: It's been on there. It was over a week ago,

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Speaker 16: and there's been a lot of Americans. You're missing out

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Speaker 16: a lot of information. So the other point is there

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Speaker 16: was also have you heard.

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Speaker 12: Of the America shields America shields America?

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Speaker 13: No tell us what?

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Speaker 16: Okay? Trump? And it came on again in the last

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Speaker 16: few days on TV. Trump has joined together always Latin

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Speaker 16: America and smaller country the leaders and created a shield

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Speaker 16: of the America's coalition to he said, prevent the cartels.

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Speaker 16: But what he was saying is he was saying, directing

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Speaker 16: and very public all on TV, that this was going

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Speaker 16: to be a force so that America and the Americans

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Speaker 16: were all protected. So he said, if you want us

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Speaker 16: to bomb anything, you just let us know and we'll

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Speaker 16: go in and.

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Speaker 9: Bomb that country. That's what he said.

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Speaker 13: Who said that, Trump?

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Speaker 16: And it's on TV. It is there, I mean.

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Speaker 12: On TV.

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Speaker 2: So I'm just looking at this. I cannot find any anything. Sorry,

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Speaker 2: I'll keep looking to back up what you're saying that. Hey,

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Speaker 2: but just before you go on that all of this

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Speaker 2: doesn't matter because what we were saying is that what

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Speaker 2: America is doing is well, what the Trump administration is doing,

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Speaker 2: the current stration is doing, is what they believe is

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Speaker 2: best for America, not what they believe is best for

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Speaker 2: the for the world or New Zealand. So what if

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Speaker 2: whatever reason behind us, but doesn't change much for us.

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Speaker 16: Just hear this last bit was the Pentagon. All the

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Speaker 16: intelligence that the Pentagon put forward and were still putting

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Speaker 16: forward after Trump had attacked was that there was no

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Speaker 16: threat of Iran making nuclear weapons?

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Speaker 2: Who said that?

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Speaker 16: And that was the Pentagon intelligence.

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Speaker 2: The Pentagon intelligence.

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Speaker 16: Trump, that's right, the very own the American government intelligence,

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Speaker 16: the Pentagon intelligence all stated that Iran was not imposition

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Speaker 16: to make nuclear weapons. So what you've got is you've

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Speaker 16: got Trump. He is doing what he wants to do. Now,

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Speaker 16: don't forget Congress.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we said that that he's doing what he wants

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Speaker 2: to do, wants he's.

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Speaker 16: Doing what he wants to do.

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Speaker 13: Yes, but it's come out.

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Speaker 16: There's so much there. There's a lot of people in

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Speaker 16: America are dead against what he is doing because he's

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Speaker 16: doing it on his own back with his little plan

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Speaker 16: of guys. Right, But there's a lot of people who

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Speaker 16: are not in favor and who are really worried. And

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Speaker 16: the best thing for me to see is the escalation, immediately,

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Speaker 16: cease fire, that all that military.

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Speaker 2: Do you see some value in the Iranian regime being weakened?

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Speaker 2: Do you see do you think the way the Iranian

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Speaker 2: regime has been operating in the Middle East has been

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Speaker 2: good or bad for the region.

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Speaker 16: It will not be weakened. There will be peace in

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Speaker 16: the Middle East not brought about by violence and gunfire?

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Speaker 2: How do you think that peace will come about? So

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Speaker 2: since the Iranian revolution years has do you think it's

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Speaker 2: getting closer to peace? In the last forty seven years.

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Speaker 16: I've seen I've seen a lot of people being interviewed.

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Speaker 16: There's been some amazing people interviewed and listening to the history,

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Speaker 16: listening to you know, all sorts of information coming from

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Speaker 16: all different countries, and they all come back to the

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Speaker 16: one thing that this war, this this activity needs to

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Speaker 16: stop and it needs to go back to de escalation.

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Speaker 2: And and when was the deal escalation happening. I'm just

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Speaker 2: trying to think about. I haven't seen any deal de escalation.

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Speaker 9: No, that's what people are calling for.

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Speaker 2: People are calling for delasgation. Okay, can I can I

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Speaker 2: just ask you, what's what's your view of the Iranian regime.

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Speaker 16: I do not condone any violent regime, but it's not

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Speaker 16: going to be brought about. It didn't happen in Iraq,

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Speaker 16: did it?

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Speaker 15: Right?

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Speaker 2: I think the outcomes of the war, and I don't

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01:10:05,532 --> 01:10:08,293
Speaker 2: think anyone's debating that that we don't know, we don't

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Speaker 2: know how that'll go. And and anyone that tries to

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Speaker 2: enforce regime change in the Middle East has had very

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Speaker 2: limited success, and often what comes next is far, far worse.

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Speaker 2: But I don't think that's really the point we're discussing

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Speaker 2: at the moment. I mean, yes, I'm familiar with the shar.

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Speaker 16: Right, Okay, so Trump wants to install the Son of

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Speaker 16: the Shark.

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Speaker 2: He doesn't, He's anti. He's Trump's pretty Trump's not keen

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Speaker 2: on the Son of the shar.

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Speaker 16: Trump was wanting to install.

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Speaker 2: No, he's been very, very lukewarm at best on the

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Speaker 2: Sun of the Shar.

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Speaker 16: Okay, Right, The bottom line is their iranium. People need

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Speaker 16: to decide and that change needs to be brought about.

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Speaker 2: But how because they've been the vast, vast, vast majority

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01:11:04,053 --> 01:11:05,812
Speaker 2: have been wanting change for a long time, to the

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01:11:05,853 --> 01:11:09,933
Speaker 2: point they're being massacred in the streets protesting. So how

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Speaker 2: do you think that change can come about when the

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01:11:13,053 --> 01:11:15,012
Speaker 2: people have no power?

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Speaker 16: It will be through world leaders.

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01:11:21,492 --> 01:11:24,013
Speaker 2: But the world leaders were doing the world leaders were

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Speaker 2: doing absolutely nothing.

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Speaker 3: Can I read you a text has just come through

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Speaker 3: die and I'll read it out to you.

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Speaker 4: Hi Kei we Iranian Here from our perspective, we fully

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Speaker 4: support humanitarian help for the Iranian people, and will never

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01:11:36,253 --> 01:11:40,692
Speaker 4: underestimate the double standards of some who say that we

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01:11:40,812 --> 01:11:43,972
Speaker 4: need to listen and listen to international rules based law,

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Speaker 4: but that has never helped us as a people. When

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Speaker 4: the regime killed innocent Iranians in recent months, they were

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Speaker 4: deaf and blind. Now that the time has come for

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01:11:51,532 --> 01:11:54,732
Speaker 4: the molars to fall, suddenly they have something to say. Please,

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Speaker 4: don't be shortsighted. What Israel and the United States are

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01:11:57,933 --> 01:12:01,133
Speaker 4: doing ultimately benefits the world, even those who refuse to

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01:12:01,293 --> 01:12:01,572
Speaker 4: see it.

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Speaker 16: Hey, guys, there's been a lot of Iranian people rang

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Speaker 16: in right and say that they don't agree with the regime,

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Speaker 16: but they are from Iran and they do not agree.

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Speaker 16: Bring in to her, Trump and Yaho are doing.

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Speaker 2: Ringing to her. Not not into a show because we

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01:12:20,933 --> 01:12:23,133
Speaker 2: just get squeezed and screeze of Iranian people on the

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Speaker 2: exact other side of that.

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Speaker 3: Without any any where.

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Speaker 4: You know, there's no hyperbole here die But anyone who's

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01:12:29,173 --> 01:12:31,372
Speaker 4: called into this show, and people that I've spoken to

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01:12:31,492 --> 01:12:34,892
Speaker 4: out on the street who were Iranian, every single one

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01:12:34,933 --> 01:12:37,612
Speaker 4: of them has said that this is as a great

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01:12:37,732 --> 01:12:41,532
Speaker 4: thing because of the oppression and the murderous regime, and

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Speaker 4: over the last thirty years.

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Speaker 2: You can absolutely and it sounds like you. Well, I

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01:12:47,812 --> 01:12:49,852
Speaker 2: would say the same thing to you, die, because you

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01:12:50,213 --> 01:12:52,173
Speaker 2: seem to be delivering a lot of stuff and we're

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01:12:52,213 --> 01:12:54,892
Speaker 2: all guilty of this. You're getting a lot of your

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01:12:54,933 --> 01:12:56,452
Speaker 2: information from the same sources.

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Speaker 16: I want to see an end to the destructive behavior.

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01:13:01,173 --> 01:13:03,453
Speaker 9: Do you want to see an end to the discussions?

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01:13:03,572 --> 01:13:06,293
Speaker 2: Do you want to see the end of the regime.

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Speaker 16: I would like to see a change of the regime,

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01:13:10,013 --> 01:13:13,652
Speaker 16: but not not with the violence that's happening.

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Speaker 2: Look at the what about the violence, but they are

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Speaker 2: that they are the main.

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Speaker 9: Okay, you know, you go do bomb.

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Speaker 16: Look at the destruction of the of Gaza. Look what's

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Speaker 16: happening in the West Bank, and look look what's happening

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Speaker 16: in Lebanon.

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Speaker 2: But the protesters in our arm.

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Speaker 16: We are sitting over this side of the side of

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Speaker 16: the world, and we can. I just have so much

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Speaker 16: pity for all those war torn countries. Exactly a better

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Speaker 16: buy more bombs being dropped by America or Israel or

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Speaker 16: Iran or anyone.

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Speaker 2: Well, there was an Iranian person that said to me, die,

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Speaker 2: some things are worse than war. And they believe a

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Speaker 2: lot of the Iranian people believe what they were living

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01:14:00,253 --> 01:14:03,932
Speaker 2: under was worse than what's happening now with their I mean,

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01:14:04,013 --> 01:14:05,932
Speaker 2: how bad does things have to get in your country

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01:14:05,973 --> 01:14:09,093
Speaker 2: where you celebrate your country being bombed by foreign power?

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Speaker 2: That's the question. And when you talk about violence, you've

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Speaker 2: you've got to also talk about what the regime was

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01:14:16,452 --> 01:14:19,213
Speaker 2: doing to its own people, massacring its own people on

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Speaker 2: the on the streets indiscriminately, So that's horrific.

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Speaker 17: I don't.

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Speaker 16: Any poor behavior. I don't agree with any you know,

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Speaker 16: poor regime, But I tell you violence and what we're

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Speaker 16: dealing with with all the military action that's hit me

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Speaker 16: at the moment.

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Speaker 9: No, it's no, it's no good end.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your call, Die, I appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I really enjoyed that. And yet the courage of

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Speaker 4: your convictions will say that. But thank you very much

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Speaker 4: for your call back and the moh it is eight

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Speaker 4: to three.

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Speaker 1: The issues that affect you, and a bit of fun

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Speaker 1: along the way. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News

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Speaker 1: Talks EDB.

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Speaker 3: News Talks ed B. It is five to three.

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Speaker 2: What a fantastic discussion we're having on Owight one hundred

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Speaker 2: and eighteen eighty.

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Speaker 3: You've enjoying it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, we will keep it going. So keen to

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Speaker 4: get your views. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is

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Speaker 4: that number. Plenty of texts coming through. But nine two

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Speaker 4: ninety two is that number as well.

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Speaker 3: And after three o'clock we've had a call from a

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Speaker 3: gentleman who wants to go by Jeff. That's not as

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Speaker 3: real name.

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Speaker 2: Is it three o'clock already?

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Speaker 3: Yes, I mean those two.

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Speaker 4: Hours have gone very far, arazing by absolutely it is

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Speaker 4: so Jeff that's the pseudonym he wants to use.

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Speaker 3: He's an Iranian living in New Zealand.

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Speaker 4: He's been listening over the last hour and a half

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Speaker 4: and he's really keen to have his say. So we

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Speaker 4: are going to have a chat to Jeff and Iranian

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Speaker 4: living in New Zealand and get his thoughts about this discussion.

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Speaker 3: But keen to get your thoughts as well.

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Speaker 4: Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty the number to

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Speaker 4: Cool News Sport and we're the fast approaching. You are

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Speaker 4: listening to Matt and Tyler. I hope you're having a

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Speaker 4: great Monday afternoon.

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Speaker 3: Stay here. We'll be back very shortly.

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Speaker 1: The big stories the league issues, the big trends and

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01:16:26,412 --> 01:16:29,452
Speaker 1: everything in between. The kids, Matt Heath and Tyler Adams

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01:16:29,612 --> 01:16:32,293
Speaker 1: Afternoons with gooda news talk.

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01:16:32,213 --> 01:16:36,172
Speaker 4: Said the very good Afternoons here, welcome back into the program.

1523
01:16:36,372 --> 01:16:40,092
Speaker 4: Seven past three. So we have had a wide ranging

1524
01:16:40,133 --> 01:16:43,612
Speaker 4: discussion about Iran. It started off after Nichola Willis hard

1525
01:16:43,612 --> 01:16:46,213
Speaker 4: a press conference at one pm given an update on

1526
01:16:46,333 --> 01:16:50,133
Speaker 4: how it is all impacting New Zealand. And she said

1527
01:16:50,213 --> 01:16:52,333
Speaker 4: during that press conference that our supplies are in a

1528
01:16:52,452 --> 01:16:55,812
Speaker 4: good state at the moment fifty two days. There are

1529
01:16:55,893 --> 01:16:58,173
Speaker 4: thirteen freights on their way with more oil. But you

1530
01:16:58,253 --> 01:17:01,572
Speaker 4: did talk about any potential government intervention in terms of

1531
01:17:01,652 --> 01:17:05,652
Speaker 4: the cost of fuel. But over the past two hours

1532
01:17:06,093 --> 01:17:09,892
Speaker 4: we have been discussing things in regards to that conflict.

1533
01:17:09,973 --> 01:17:12,612
Speaker 4: I think it has sort of moved towards when will

1534
01:17:12,652 --> 01:17:15,013
Speaker 4: it end? Is it a good idea to try and

1535
01:17:15,253 --> 01:17:15,572
Speaker 4: end that?

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01:17:15,772 --> 01:17:15,932
Speaker 13: Well?

1537
01:17:16,013 --> 01:17:18,173
Speaker 3: What are the justifications for it?

1538
01:17:18,333 --> 01:17:21,053
Speaker 2: We're happy to have any conversation in the general area

1539
01:17:22,293 --> 01:17:27,093
Speaker 2: and it has been all over the shop absolutely so

1540
01:17:27,772 --> 01:17:29,492
Speaker 2: at the end of the last hour we took to

1541
01:17:29,612 --> 01:17:36,652
Speaker 2: Die who was very very against the American what's the

1542
01:17:36,692 --> 01:17:40,652
Speaker 2: best way to describe it? Operations? Yep, what do they

1543
01:17:40,692 --> 01:17:45,612
Speaker 2: call it American operations. Yeah in Iran, Yeah, Operation Fury,

1544
01:17:46,333 --> 01:17:49,972
Speaker 2: Operation Epic Fury, Epic Fury. She was anti Operation Epic Fury,

1545
01:17:51,853 --> 01:17:53,572
Speaker 2: and this is This has fired up a lot of

1546
01:17:54,013 --> 01:17:56,452
Speaker 2: texts that have come through this tests. I'm an Iranian

1547
01:17:56,532 --> 01:17:59,452
Speaker 2: living in New Zealand. We all want freedom and human

1548
01:17:59,532 --> 01:18:02,412
Speaker 2: rights in Iran. I support the war against the Iatolas.

1549
01:18:02,572 --> 01:18:08,812
Speaker 2: International sport Te Iran is very very important, says I'm

1550
01:18:08,853 --> 01:18:11,253
Speaker 2: an Iranian. Most people in the Iran want freedom and

1551
01:18:11,293 --> 01:18:14,893
Speaker 2: an end to repression. This is a rescue operation for Iranians.

1552
01:18:15,812 --> 01:18:18,932
Speaker 2: This Texas says Hi, I'm an Iranian living abroad. Many

1553
01:18:18,973 --> 01:18:21,692
Speaker 2: Iranians hope for international support for freedom and human rights

1554
01:18:21,853 --> 01:18:24,652
Speaker 2: in Iran. Please don't forget the voices of Iranian people.

1555
01:18:24,732 --> 01:18:28,452
Speaker 2: We support the war. We actually call it humanitarian help.

1556
01:18:29,452 --> 01:18:31,933
Speaker 2: Hey fellers, just put this out there. I have just

1557
01:18:32,013 --> 01:18:34,173
Speaker 2: come home after spending four weeks in the USA. Not

1558
01:18:34,253 --> 01:18:35,932
Speaker 2: a single person I speak to a head and assue

1559
01:18:35,973 --> 01:18:39,053
Speaker 2: with America taking it to Iran. I witnessed a march

1560
01:18:39,093 --> 01:18:44,452
Speaker 2: in LA with Iranian flags flying everywhere supporting this KEI

1561
01:18:44,492 --> 01:18:46,892
Speaker 2: we Iranian. Here, are you worried about rising all prices

1562
01:18:46,973 --> 01:18:48,933
Speaker 2: because of the conflict in the Middle East. Do you

1563
01:18:48,973 --> 01:18:51,732
Speaker 2: want lasting stability in the region. The fastest path that

1564
01:18:51,853 --> 01:18:54,173
Speaker 2: distability is not ending the war. It is ending the

1565
01:18:54,213 --> 01:18:57,293
Speaker 2: regime that has been exporting violence and terror across the

1566
01:18:57,333 --> 01:19:01,492
Speaker 2: region for decades. Millions of Iranians, both inside the country

1567
01:19:01,692 --> 01:19:06,932
Speaker 2: and across the dysphoriasy dysphoria. What's that mean?

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01:19:07,412 --> 01:19:07,612
Speaker 9: Ah?

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01:19:08,973 --> 01:19:12,372
Speaker 4: Oh, how to explain this dysporia is You've got a people,

1570
01:19:12,452 --> 01:19:14,412
Speaker 4: but they no longer in their origin company.

1571
01:19:14,452 --> 01:19:16,532
Speaker 2: They spread out worldwide, expats kind of thing.

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01:19:16,612 --> 01:19:17,852
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's a better way to put it.

1573
01:19:18,013 --> 01:19:20,973
Speaker 2: Well, I've never heard that, but you know there's a

1574
01:19:21,013 --> 01:19:23,732
Speaker 2: lot I haven't here. See, this is a rescue operation

1575
01:19:23,812 --> 01:19:25,812
Speaker 2: from a regime that has brutalized its own people and

1576
01:19:26,812 --> 01:19:30,692
Speaker 2: destabilized the region. But this Texas is New Zealand. Australia's

1577
01:19:30,692 --> 01:19:33,452
Speaker 2: always been Lackey's of the US. They will follow you blindly,

1578
01:19:33,572 --> 01:19:35,532
Speaker 2: even if they know it is wrong. New Zealand would

1579
01:19:35,572 --> 01:19:37,932
Speaker 2: be too scared not to send their navy to Iran

1580
01:19:37,973 --> 01:19:40,053
Speaker 2: when asked by the US, even if it means it

1581
01:19:40,133 --> 01:19:45,572
Speaker 2: could reinforce reinforce a mite is right norm Keep those

1582
01:19:45,612 --> 01:19:47,933
Speaker 2: teachs coming through. On nine to nine two Now we

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01:19:48,053 --> 01:19:50,612
Speaker 2: mentioned before the news that we had Jeff call up.

1584
01:19:50,652 --> 01:19:52,932
Speaker 2: He is an Iranian living in New Zealand and he's

1585
01:19:52,973 --> 01:19:56,333
Speaker 2: been listening for some time, and Jeff is on the

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01:19:56,372 --> 01:19:57,333
Speaker 2: line now, kiddy.

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01:19:57,133 --> 01:20:01,093
Speaker 17: Jeff, oh Hi, Turler Stone, Mattes tell you, guys, yeah,

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01:20:01,093 --> 01:20:01,492
Speaker 17: we're good.

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01:20:01,652 --> 01:20:04,173
Speaker 2: Thanks so much for calling in your thoughts.

1590
01:20:03,933 --> 01:20:04,372
Speaker 9: On all of this.

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01:20:04,893 --> 01:20:07,372
Speaker 17: Okay, look, look I've looked at him this inner for

1592
01:20:07,452 --> 01:20:11,253
Speaker 17: twenty seven years. For forty seven years, this regime has

1593
01:20:11,333 --> 01:20:14,012
Speaker 17: been holding people in our own hostage.

1594
01:20:14,253 --> 01:20:14,572
Speaker 9: Okay.

1595
01:20:15,173 --> 01:20:21,092
Speaker 17: So after that, it's been basically holding other nationalities hostage

1596
01:20:21,093 --> 01:20:23,972
Speaker 17: as well when they like Okay, and now we're getting

1597
01:20:24,013 --> 01:20:27,173
Speaker 17: down to the oil issue and they're basically holding the

1598
01:20:27,253 --> 01:20:30,053
Speaker 17: whole world hostage to this. Okay. Look, at the end

1599
01:20:30,053 --> 01:20:33,293
Speaker 17: of the day, they need to go there. Basically are

1600
01:20:33,412 --> 01:20:36,973
Speaker 17: cult in charge of a huge country and all they

1601
01:20:37,053 --> 01:20:40,812
Speaker 17: want to do is basically build weapons that will cause

1602
01:20:40,812 --> 01:20:44,253
Speaker 17: a lot of destruction. Okay. So look at the end

1603
01:20:44,293 --> 01:20:47,492
Speaker 17: of the day, they've been saying death to America and

1604
01:20:47,652 --> 01:20:52,372
Speaker 17: Israel for forty seven years. Israel's not really a neighbor.

1605
01:20:52,532 --> 01:20:55,013
Speaker 17: It's a couple of countries over Okay. I mean, there

1606
01:20:55,173 --> 01:20:58,852
Speaker 17: is definitely a issue in Israel and Palestine, which we

1607
01:20:59,013 --> 01:21:02,092
Speaker 17: are all aware it's been what's seventy years or so. Okay,

1608
01:21:02,652 --> 01:21:06,253
Speaker 17: the close the countries can sort it out. At the

1609
01:21:06,372 --> 01:21:09,452
Speaker 17: end of the day, the people and Iron shouldn't be

1610
01:21:10,013 --> 01:21:13,812
Speaker 17: getting the brunt of this because some lunatics and charge

1611
01:21:14,652 --> 01:21:20,372
Speaker 17: they want to basically drag everybody, the civilian population into this. Okay.

1612
01:21:20,853 --> 01:21:26,532
Speaker 17: Now they've inflicted a lot of damage on the people

1613
01:21:26,572 --> 01:21:30,932
Speaker 17: inside of Iran, Okay, which the desprato or the people

1614
01:21:31,053 --> 01:21:34,372
Speaker 17: outside Iran who are Iranian, there's about nine million people

1615
01:21:34,853 --> 01:21:41,173
Speaker 17: will all agree with it, basically because there's never been freedom. Okay. Now,

1616
01:21:41,293 --> 01:21:44,572
Speaker 17: these guys came in nineteen seventy nine. Initially it was

1617
01:21:44,612 --> 01:21:48,613
Speaker 17: a good start. They got everybody involved, they had local elections,

1618
01:21:49,093 --> 01:21:54,133
Speaker 17: every region was represented in mega and the government. And

1619
01:21:54,253 --> 01:21:57,932
Speaker 17: then next minute this guy who was basically in exile

1620
01:21:58,532 --> 01:22:00,972
Speaker 17: in France came back and after a couple of years

1621
01:22:01,253 --> 01:22:03,492
Speaker 17: he said, oh the heck with this, I'm going to

1622
01:22:03,532 --> 01:22:06,412
Speaker 17: pass a foot for everybody is a non believer and

1623
01:22:06,532 --> 01:22:09,612
Speaker 17: there should be only one person charge or one party.

1624
01:22:10,253 --> 01:22:13,213
Speaker 17: So that's where it all has started form So there's

1625
01:22:13,293 --> 01:22:17,093
Speaker 17: never been any movement in Iran for anybody to speak

1626
01:22:17,133 --> 01:22:21,412
Speaker 17: their mind. It's always been suppression. Okay. But what makes

1627
01:22:21,492 --> 01:22:24,293
Speaker 17: me laugh is at the previous caller Dye, which I

1628
01:22:24,412 --> 01:22:28,013
Speaker 17: was listening to and just waiting on hold. She look

1629
01:22:28,093 --> 01:22:29,572
Speaker 17: at the end of the day, there's left and right,

1630
01:22:29,812 --> 01:22:32,812
Speaker 17: and then I guess the prospective war is never good.

1631
01:22:33,452 --> 01:22:36,652
Speaker 17: I was there during the Iraq Iran war, like iron

1632
01:22:36,772 --> 01:22:40,653
Speaker 17: had no issues. I was actually Saddamusey who started.

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01:22:40,333 --> 01:22:41,053
Speaker 7: The eight year war.

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01:22:41,213 --> 01:22:43,532
Speaker 17: Okay, So war is never good because at the end

1635
01:22:43,532 --> 01:22:46,173
Speaker 17: of the day, people die. But it's quite ironic would

1636
01:22:46,213 --> 01:22:50,293
Speaker 17: die listening to old Jazeira. It's a mouthpiece. Basically, they're

1637
01:22:50,333 --> 01:22:53,852
Speaker 17: literally getting bombed by the Iranian regime and Qatar, and

1638
01:22:53,973 --> 01:22:57,732
Speaker 17: they still push the same bloody narrative that this regime

1639
01:22:57,933 --> 01:23:02,093
Speaker 17: is like looking after the weakened people of the world.

1640
01:23:02,253 --> 01:23:02,772
Speaker 7: No, they're not.

1641
01:23:03,253 --> 01:23:05,133
Speaker 17: At the end of the day, they want to get

1642
01:23:05,853 --> 01:23:09,412
Speaker 17: a nuclear weapon or some sort of massive weapon to

1643
01:23:09,853 --> 01:23:14,213
Speaker 17: literally become, you know, control the world or control most

1644
01:23:14,253 --> 01:23:16,532
Speaker 17: of Middle East. Basically, So if you look at the

1645
01:23:16,572 --> 01:23:19,692
Speaker 17: golf countries, even though they've been so neighborly with them,

1646
01:23:19,772 --> 01:23:22,692
Speaker 17: I mean Emirates right, Dubai right now is getting the

1647
01:23:22,732 --> 01:23:26,172
Speaker 17: brunt of this and for the last twenty years, Emirates

1648
01:23:26,253 --> 01:23:29,772
Speaker 17: been the best friend across a forty five minute boat

1649
01:23:29,893 --> 01:23:32,532
Speaker 17: ride from bunder of Us to Dubai. Basically that's how

1650
01:23:32,612 --> 01:23:37,052
Speaker 17: far they literally are across the Persian Gulf. They're getting

1651
01:23:37,093 --> 01:23:39,293
Speaker 17: the brunt of this, even though they've been helping them

1652
01:23:39,612 --> 01:23:43,013
Speaker 17: evade sanctions, move money around and all of that. So

1653
01:23:43,133 --> 01:23:46,693
Speaker 17: that kind of tells you the mentality of the Iranian regime. Unfortunately,

1654
01:23:47,213 --> 01:23:49,732
Speaker 17: at the end of this. So look, at the end

1655
01:23:49,732 --> 01:23:52,652
Speaker 17: of the day, ninety percent of people in Iran are

1656
01:23:52,732 --> 01:23:55,732
Speaker 17: happy for these guys to go okay, because they've provided

1657
01:23:55,853 --> 01:23:59,293
Speaker 17: nothing but suppression and they've moved the country two hundred

1658
01:23:59,412 --> 01:24:04,333
Speaker 17: years backwards. Okay, Look the resources iron has a huge

1659
01:24:04,492 --> 01:24:07,492
Speaker 17: not just oil and gas, other minerals as well. I mean,

1660
01:24:07,532 --> 01:24:10,253
Speaker 17: look at the golf countries in Saudi Arabia, how they've

1661
01:24:10,333 --> 01:24:14,532
Speaker 17: come along in the last fifty years. Okay, Look Iran

1662
01:24:14,732 --> 01:24:19,053
Speaker 17: prior to nineteen seventy nine, Look the Shah was there.

1663
01:24:19,253 --> 01:24:22,652
Speaker 17: Look he wasn't a great person to say, Look he

1664
01:24:22,853 --> 01:24:26,012
Speaker 17: was not a dictator as well. But at the same time,

1665
01:24:26,213 --> 01:24:30,133
Speaker 17: things were much easier for people in Iran. Basically, living

1666
01:24:30,173 --> 01:24:35,013
Speaker 17: conditions were much better. They don't have to you know,

1667
01:24:36,213 --> 01:24:40,492
Speaker 17: you know, survive every single day and they can speak

1668
01:24:40,532 --> 01:24:43,852
Speaker 17: their minds basically, if this regime goes and that's where

1669
01:24:44,093 --> 01:24:46,452
Speaker 17: we are. Look, I was back there in November, so

1670
01:24:46,853 --> 01:24:49,253
Speaker 17: even a five year old talked about how things are

1671
01:24:49,492 --> 01:24:51,772
Speaker 17: two dollars today and tomorrow they are two dollars fifty.

1672
01:24:52,253 --> 01:24:55,492
Speaker 17: The sanctions were heading hard. The people have been suffering.

1673
01:24:55,973 --> 01:24:58,253
Speaker 17: At the end of the day, it's been forty seven years,

1674
01:24:58,853 --> 01:25:02,812
Speaker 17: and I really hope this basically leads to this regime

1675
01:25:02,933 --> 01:25:07,253
Speaker 17: going okay, And Iran has got a huge, if no

1676
01:25:08,333 --> 01:25:13,092
Speaker 17: cultural diverse people basically, so we've got pretty much everybody

1677
01:25:13,133 --> 01:25:15,893
Speaker 17: who lives in Middle East in that country. Okay. So

1678
01:25:16,053 --> 01:25:17,852
Speaker 17: at the end of the day, I hope. I mean,

1679
01:25:17,893 --> 01:25:21,612
Speaker 17: that's our hope for the future, is a united Iran

1680
01:25:22,133 --> 01:25:25,253
Speaker 17: and for people to live in peace. And that's my perspective.

1681
01:25:25,652 --> 01:25:28,812
Speaker 2: Now, if you said you're back in around in November,

1682
01:25:28,933 --> 01:25:31,173
Speaker 2: so do you you still have family and friends in Iran?

1683
01:25:31,372 --> 01:25:33,772
Speaker 17: Absolutely absolutely, Look, and you're.

1684
01:25:33,652 --> 01:25:37,053
Speaker 2: Getting messages from them. How hard is communication out there?

1685
01:25:37,372 --> 01:25:42,013
Speaker 17: So it's it's terrible. This time is actually the ludicrous.

1686
01:25:42,173 --> 01:25:45,452
Speaker 17: So look, I'm in it, so I know a little

1687
01:25:45,492 --> 01:25:47,772
Speaker 17: bit about the whole internet in the background. So prior

1688
01:25:47,933 --> 01:25:50,652
Speaker 17: to every couple of years there were protests and again,

1689
01:25:50,772 --> 01:25:54,132
Speaker 17: as usual, they mow people downwards machine guns.

1690
01:25:54,372 --> 01:25:54,652
Speaker 7: Okay.

1691
01:25:55,093 --> 01:25:57,213
Speaker 17: Now, previously they would cut off the internet for a

1692
01:25:57,253 --> 01:26:00,333
Speaker 17: couple of weeks until things were they until they suppressed

1693
01:26:00,372 --> 01:26:03,492
Speaker 17: the people and killed as many as they wanted, okay,

1694
01:26:03,893 --> 01:26:07,892
Speaker 17: But this time, since the January massacre, they've actually cut

1695
01:26:07,933 --> 01:26:11,732
Speaker 17: off the landline and the mobile network as well, so

1696
01:26:11,893 --> 01:26:14,812
Speaker 17: you can't actually physically call the number. So if you

1697
01:26:14,853 --> 01:26:17,412
Speaker 17: pick up a landline in New Zealand or a cell phone.

1698
01:26:17,933 --> 01:26:21,532
Speaker 17: Prior to the internet being sharing out with previous protests,

1699
01:26:21,853 --> 01:26:24,093
Speaker 17: you could actually talk to the family. You could call

1700
01:26:24,213 --> 01:26:26,852
Speaker 17: up and say, hey, how's it going. Now they've completely

1701
01:26:26,893 --> 01:26:31,253
Speaker 17: cut off the landline and basically their mobile network, you

1702
01:26:31,412 --> 01:26:34,333
Speaker 17: can't call them, so whatever you do. I mean, initially

1703
01:26:34,372 --> 01:26:38,172
Speaker 17: on that first night, the actual Exchange, the International Exchange

1704
01:26:38,293 --> 01:26:39,852
Speaker 17: was coming up with a message to say this is

1705
01:26:39,933 --> 01:26:42,732
Speaker 17: a fund number doesn't even exist now on so right

1706
01:26:42,812 --> 01:26:46,612
Speaker 17: now they call randomly every three days or four days.

1707
01:26:46,652 --> 01:26:48,852
Speaker 17: They can talk for two minutes and they literally get

1708
01:26:48,933 --> 01:26:51,812
Speaker 17: disconnected from their end as well. So that's how bad

1709
01:26:51,893 --> 01:26:54,133
Speaker 17: it is. And they're messaging people to say, hey, get

1710
01:26:54,173 --> 01:26:56,772
Speaker 17: off the phone. Who are you actually talking to on

1711
01:26:56,893 --> 01:27:00,492
Speaker 17: the other side. So, yeah, that's how bad it is.

1712
01:27:00,612 --> 01:27:04,053
Speaker 17: And a lot of people don't understand that we've got

1713
01:27:04,133 --> 01:27:07,372
Speaker 17: family there, I mean extended family, and your heart goes

1714
01:27:07,412 --> 01:27:08,892
Speaker 17: out for them. But look, at the end of day,

1715
01:27:09,492 --> 01:27:13,093
Speaker 17: there's been Look there's been casualties on the civilian side,

1716
01:27:13,173 --> 01:27:16,412
Speaker 17: but it's their issue because they're building police station or

1717
01:27:16,452 --> 01:27:20,452
Speaker 17: igcass basis or Bassidi basis in the middle of a town,

1718
01:27:21,093 --> 01:27:25,173
Speaker 17: next to schools, next to you know, a normal street.

1719
01:27:25,253 --> 01:27:27,612
Speaker 17: Because when that gets bomb, of course it's going to

1720
01:27:27,692 --> 01:27:31,973
Speaker 17: cause a material and unfortunately casualties horrendous.

1721
01:27:32,933 --> 01:27:37,093
Speaker 4: Yeah, Jeff, we're really this Your perspective is fantastic. If

1722
01:27:37,093 --> 01:27:38,893
Speaker 4: you're right to just hold there. We're just going to

1723
01:27:38,933 --> 01:27:43,012
Speaker 4: play some messages and come back. It is eighteen past three.

1724
01:27:43,572 --> 01:27:45,013
Speaker 4: When we come back, we're just going to pick up

1725
01:27:45,053 --> 01:27:47,372
Speaker 4: our conversation with Jeff, but taking your calls as well.

1726
01:27:47,412 --> 01:27:49,692
Speaker 3: Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty back.

1727
01:27:49,572 --> 01:27:50,812
Speaker 13: In the month US talks.

1728
01:27:50,853 --> 01:27:53,892
Speaker 4: That'd be for a good afternoon. It is twenty are

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Speaker 4: past three and we have been having a discussion with Jeff.

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Speaker 4: That's a pseudonym.

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01:27:59,253 --> 01:28:02,452
Speaker 3: He's an Iranian living in New Zealand and Jeff is

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Speaker 3: back with us. Thanks again for holdingk you, thank you

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01:28:05,933 --> 01:28:06,412
Speaker 3: for having me.

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Speaker 17: Guys.

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01:28:07,213 --> 01:28:11,133
Speaker 2: Now, Jeff, you know you've got friends and family on

1736
01:28:11,253 --> 01:28:13,412
Speaker 2: the ground there, but you know you work in it,

1737
01:28:14,053 --> 01:28:16,452
Speaker 2: but you're struggling to get much information out there. Have

1738
01:28:16,612 --> 01:28:21,893
Speaker 2: you got any information on how it is living in

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01:28:22,612 --> 01:28:25,133
Speaker 2: Iran at the moment with these bombings going on?

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01:28:26,173 --> 01:28:30,972
Speaker 17: Okay, look, look everybody's so I'll put my relatives. They're scared.

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01:28:31,213 --> 01:28:33,732
Speaker 17: So they actually live on the border of Arana Raq,

1742
01:28:34,133 --> 01:28:37,652
Speaker 17: so they can literally see the tomahawks flying over from

1743
01:28:37,732 --> 01:28:40,732
Speaker 17: the Iraq side, coming over in the plains, and then

1744
01:28:40,772 --> 01:28:44,013
Speaker 17: from our own inside they see the ballistic missiles and

1745
01:28:44,652 --> 01:28:48,093
Speaker 17: those bloody drones going across as well, So they're kind

1746
01:28:48,093 --> 01:28:51,013
Speaker 17: of scared because you know, something can malfunction in an

1747
01:28:51,093 --> 01:28:55,412
Speaker 17: accidentally land in the civilian area as well, So it's terrifle.

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01:28:56,452 --> 01:28:59,772
Speaker 17: It's terrifying for them basically at the end of the day.

1749
01:29:00,532 --> 01:29:03,932
Speaker 17: But just not having that communication with them, I think

1750
01:29:04,053 --> 01:29:08,253
Speaker 17: it's just it's numbing basically. So you're in one way,

1751
01:29:08,412 --> 01:29:11,053
Speaker 17: you're happy that, look, this could be the end of

1752
01:29:11,133 --> 01:29:14,253
Speaker 17: this regime and then everybody could live freely in the country.

1753
01:29:14,692 --> 01:29:17,772
Speaker 17: At the same time, you're worried so much for your

1754
01:29:17,853 --> 01:29:22,412
Speaker 17: relatives or friends that it's like it's a weird, numbing

1755
01:29:22,492 --> 01:29:25,133
Speaker 17: feeling basically that you can't explain really, because at the

1756
01:29:25,213 --> 01:29:28,732
Speaker 17: end of the day, there's excitement, there's excitement, at the

1757
01:29:28,772 --> 01:29:32,013
Speaker 17: same time, there's a huge fear because it's going to

1758
01:29:32,093 --> 01:29:35,572
Speaker 17: affect everybody else as well. I mean, in forty seven years,

1759
01:29:35,692 --> 01:29:39,013
Speaker 17: the fear has always been there that someone from your

1760
01:29:39,333 --> 01:29:42,892
Speaker 17: friends or relatives could ratherly get arrested because they said

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01:29:42,973 --> 01:29:45,333
Speaker 17: something in front of someone or they did something. Then

1762
01:29:45,893 --> 01:29:50,133
Speaker 17: next minute they're labeled as the enemy of God. And

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01:29:50,333 --> 01:29:52,093
Speaker 17: that one of the things that really gets to me.

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01:29:52,213 --> 01:29:55,492
Speaker 17: I mean, who are these people to say we represent God?

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01:29:55,572 --> 01:29:57,812
Speaker 17: To be honest at the end of the day. Look again,

1766
01:29:57,893 --> 01:30:01,173
Speaker 17: I'm a Muslim, Okay, so in majority of people in

1767
01:30:01,333 --> 01:30:05,212
Speaker 17: Arana Muslims as well, But at the same time, nobody

1768
01:30:05,372 --> 01:30:08,972
Speaker 17: gave them the rights that literally massive get their way

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01:30:09,013 --> 01:30:12,973
Speaker 17: into power at the end of the day, and then unfortunately,

1770
01:30:13,293 --> 01:30:14,972
Speaker 17: the way I see it, it's going to be another

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01:30:15,093 --> 01:30:17,932
Speaker 17: massacre before they leave that country as well.

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Speaker 2: Do you believe that. I've got a couple of questions here. Firstly,

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01:30:22,893 --> 01:30:28,093
Speaker 2: so what do you think the motivations of the Trump

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01:30:28,133 --> 01:30:33,053
Speaker 2: administration are. Do you think they he is attempting to

1775
01:30:33,333 --> 01:30:36,812
Speaker 2: help the Iranian people or do you think this is

1776
01:30:37,492 --> 01:30:43,732
Speaker 2: about protecting America's interests and the control of strategic control

1777
01:30:43,812 --> 01:30:48,852
Speaker 2: of you know, oil, you know in China and such

1778
01:30:48,893 --> 01:30:50,852
Speaker 2: a So look.

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01:30:50,772 --> 01:30:53,333
Speaker 17: I mean I think, look, there's a lot of factors

1780
01:30:53,412 --> 01:30:56,772
Speaker 17: involved there. Let's be the be frank about it. Okay.

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01:30:57,173 --> 01:30:59,572
Speaker 17: I've lived in the West for twenty seven years, so

1782
01:30:59,732 --> 01:31:02,732
Speaker 17: I kind of see both sides of the the you know,

1783
01:31:02,893 --> 01:31:05,972
Speaker 17: the paper. At the end of the day, Look, there

1784
01:31:06,093 --> 01:31:09,412
Speaker 17: is a genuine threat. I personally is an ironian kV

1785
01:31:09,532 --> 01:31:12,732
Speaker 17: believe that there's a genuine threat. These guys were going

1786
01:31:12,772 --> 01:31:15,372
Speaker 17: to get hold of something. And then I mean there's

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Speaker 17: even now it's in the reports that Kim John Un

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01:31:18,692 --> 01:31:23,092
Speaker 17: from North Korea was potentially about to give them basically

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01:31:23,213 --> 01:31:27,532
Speaker 17: nuclear weapon. So that's how dangerous things were heading. Okay,

1790
01:31:27,692 --> 01:31:31,532
Speaker 17: even that they were more able to produce or enrich

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01:31:31,812 --> 01:31:35,013
Speaker 17: enough to actually make a new clear bomb. Okay. At

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01:31:35,053 --> 01:31:38,412
Speaker 17: the same time, look, I think President Trump definitely cares

1793
01:31:38,412 --> 01:31:41,492
Speaker 17: about the Iranian people. I think he's just blowing away.

1794
01:31:41,612 --> 01:31:44,412
Speaker 17: But what he said at the same time, I mean,

1795
01:31:44,452 --> 01:31:46,013
Speaker 17: it was not a good idea because a lot of

1796
01:31:46,053 --> 01:31:48,852
Speaker 17: people got messaked, but he said, look, help us on

1797
01:31:48,973 --> 01:31:52,813
Speaker 17: the way. Okay. I believe what he's done in America

1798
01:31:53,053 --> 01:31:56,213
Speaker 17: is there is a lot of intellectual a lot of

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01:31:56,612 --> 01:32:00,133
Speaker 17: smart Iranians in America or are all around the world

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01:32:00,213 --> 01:32:04,852
Speaker 17: who have basically the spoken to that administration and they

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01:32:05,013 --> 01:32:08,492
Speaker 17: believe in what's happening in Iran as just a it's

1802
01:32:08,572 --> 01:32:11,932
Speaker 17: basically a dictatorship as well as far as the straight

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01:32:12,013 --> 01:32:15,173
Speaker 17: of hormers. Look, at the end of the day, it

1804
01:32:15,293 --> 01:32:18,732
Speaker 17: was it was better for China with the sanctions because

1805
01:32:18,732 --> 01:32:21,532
Speaker 17: they were getting really cheap fuel. At the end of

1806
01:32:21,612 --> 01:32:25,213
Speaker 17: the day. It's just how the Ukrainian and you know,

1807
01:32:25,333 --> 01:32:27,572
Speaker 17: the Russian and Ukrainian war going because at the end

1808
01:32:27,572 --> 01:32:31,452
Speaker 17: of the day, China was able to get much cheaper oil. Basically,

1809
01:32:31,893 --> 01:32:35,372
Speaker 17: so this them being in charge of the hormones strait,

1810
01:32:36,053 --> 01:32:38,173
Speaker 17: I mean, it's going to be a game changer because

1811
01:32:38,213 --> 01:32:41,133
Speaker 17: they can push that to have their own narrative. But

1812
01:32:41,213 --> 01:32:43,772
Speaker 17: at the same time, the Americans didn't block the straight

1813
01:32:43,893 --> 01:32:46,173
Speaker 17: it's the Iranians who are lane mines. I mean the

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01:32:46,293 --> 01:32:50,893
Speaker 17: Irenian regime lane minds and attacking ships. It's just what

1815
01:32:51,213 --> 01:32:54,013
Speaker 17: Lucies did in yemenis world basically, and they were a

1816
01:32:54,133 --> 01:32:58,132
Speaker 17: proxy of Iranian regime with their rockets and ballistic missiles

1817
01:32:58,173 --> 01:33:00,973
Speaker 17: and drums. So at the end of the day, I mean,

1818
01:33:01,013 --> 01:33:03,253
Speaker 17: you could look at it in a lot of different ways,

1819
01:33:04,093 --> 01:33:07,293
Speaker 17: but it comes down to the basics a regime that's

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01:33:07,333 --> 01:33:12,772
Speaker 17: out of control and potestionally looking at basically controlling most

1821
01:33:12,772 --> 01:33:15,493
Speaker 17: of the countries in the region and potentially being dangerous

1822
01:33:15,652 --> 01:33:19,293
Speaker 17: to other countries. Look, if they built intercontinental listing the

1823
01:33:19,412 --> 01:33:22,572
Speaker 17: soul which North Korea has got now, they could be

1824
01:33:22,692 --> 01:33:27,412
Speaker 17: hitting Europe, they could be hitting America other countries as

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01:33:27,452 --> 01:33:31,333
Speaker 17: well that they thought they didn't agree with. Basically.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Jeff, thank you so much for giving us a

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Speaker 4: call and having an extended chat. Really great to get

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01:33:37,492 --> 01:33:39,972
Speaker 4: your perspective and hopefully we have you on the show again.

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Speaker 4: That is Jeff's pseudonym, of course, an Iranian living in

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01:33:43,532 --> 01:33:45,692
Speaker 4: New Zealand. He's been listening to the conversation over the

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01:33:45,732 --> 01:33:49,293
Speaker 4: past couple of hours and that was his thoughts on

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01:33:49,492 --> 01:33:51,852
Speaker 4: what is occurring right now and what it means for

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01:33:52,053 --> 01:33:54,333
Speaker 4: most Iranian people. So, oh, eight one hundred and eighty

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Speaker 4: ten eighty is that numbered call back very shortly. It

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Speaker 4: is twenty seven past three.

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Speaker 2: And we're also talking about Nicolaus's press conference.

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Speaker 3: Do you want to jump in on that?

1838
01:34:03,293 --> 01:34:08,452
Speaker 2: Response to our potential risks? The New Zealand feels.

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01:34:08,612 --> 01:34:11,013
Speaker 3: Yeah by all means it. It's twenty seven bast.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty

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Speaker 1: ten eighty on News Talk ZB afternoon.

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01:34:21,333 --> 01:34:23,732
Speaker 3: Plenty of texts coming through A nine to nine two.

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01:34:24,652 --> 01:34:26,972
Speaker 2: I don't understand how people can be against this war

1844
01:34:27,053 --> 01:34:30,092
Speaker 2: after listening to Iranians who have lived through this regime.

1845
01:34:30,293 --> 01:34:32,612
Speaker 2: If you're against the war, you are supporting oppression of

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01:34:32,652 --> 01:34:36,652
Speaker 2: the Iranian people, says And surely the question is and

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01:34:36,732 --> 01:34:39,053
Speaker 2: actually I should have asked I wanted to ask this

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01:34:39,253 --> 01:34:45,412
Speaker 2: question of pseudonym Jeff. But how realistic, Lea do you think?

1849
01:34:46,213 --> 01:34:52,452
Speaker 2: Because I think it's quite possible that the Trump in administration,

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01:34:53,213 --> 01:34:55,572
Speaker 2: the Americans will get what they want, but that might

1851
01:34:55,652 --> 01:34:59,372
Speaker 2: not end up being what the people want, because what

1852
01:34:59,612 --> 01:35:03,492
Speaker 2: they want is to destroy this regime, to stop them,

1853
01:35:03,652 --> 01:35:06,253
Speaker 2: you know, sponsoring terror throughout the region and stop them

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01:35:06,732 --> 01:35:11,133
Speaker 2: getting a nuclear bomb, and you know, just and stopping them.

1855
01:35:11,853 --> 01:35:14,213
Speaker 2: You know, if you're depending two ends that you read.

1856
01:35:15,412 --> 01:35:18,133
Speaker 2: You know, when you pull back the lays, it may

1857
01:35:18,213 --> 01:35:22,253
Speaker 2: well just be a strategic battle against China. So stopping

1858
01:35:22,333 --> 01:35:25,812
Speaker 2: China getting this rebadging these ships and getting basically not

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01:35:26,053 --> 01:35:27,892
Speaker 2: far above cost price oil out of Iran.

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01:35:28,093 --> 01:35:28,932
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, yep.

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01:35:29,293 --> 01:35:32,532
Speaker 2: So I think it's quite possible that the administration gets

1862
01:35:32,572 --> 01:35:35,013
Speaker 2: what it wants, but the Iranian people still don't get

1863
01:35:35,053 --> 01:35:35,452
Speaker 2: what they want.

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01:35:35,692 --> 01:35:38,652
Speaker 4: Potentially, Yeah, how far this regime digs in and what

1865
01:35:38,812 --> 01:35:40,133
Speaker 4: happens that is a great question.

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Speaker 2: There's no division between religion and government in Iran. It

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01:35:43,013 --> 01:35:47,692
Speaker 2: isn't secular application of Western standards are meaningless, meaningless, says Roger.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, keep those texts coming through on nine to nine

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Speaker 4: to two and the number oh eight, one hundred eighty

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Speaker 4: ten eighty are right, headlines of scarlet coming up.

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Speaker 3: But we will be back very shortly.

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Speaker 2: The government needs to get gs to off fuel now,

1873
01:36:02,933 --> 01:36:06,012
Speaker 2: otherwise there's going to be no goods or services to taxes. Steve,

1874
01:36:06,053 --> 01:36:07,173
Speaker 2: that's back on the original thing.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely by all mean jump in if you want the

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01:36:09,652 --> 01:36:11,893
Speaker 4: text repoved off our fuel. Oh one hundred eighty d

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Speaker 4: and eighty headlines coming up.

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1883
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Speaker 10: by twenty five cents. Bill's been introduced today aiming to

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Speaker 10: ease alcohol laws, letting pubs serve it outside licensed hours

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Speaker 10: during major televised events like the Rugby World Cup. It

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1898
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Speaker 10: at ends at Herald Premium. Now back to Matt Eith

1899
01:37:32,572 --> 01:37:33,253
Speaker 10: and Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 4: Thank you very much, Galla. It is twenty five to

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01:37:36,732 --> 01:37:38,652
Speaker 4: four Charlie. Good afternoon.

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01:37:38,732 --> 01:37:39,293
Speaker 3: What's your thoughts?

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01:37:39,372 --> 01:37:40,852
Speaker 9: Good afternoon, how are you guys?

1904
01:37:40,933 --> 01:37:41,133
Speaker 18: Good?

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01:37:41,412 --> 01:37:43,213
Speaker 2: Very good, Thanks mate, thanks for joining us.

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01:37:43,612 --> 01:37:47,772
Speaker 9: I think you're on the wrong path there, I think,

1907
01:37:47,853 --> 01:37:50,213
Speaker 9: on the wrong side of history. And what is terrible

1908
01:37:50,253 --> 01:37:52,972
Speaker 9: what the Iranian government has done to its own people.

1909
01:37:53,333 --> 01:37:58,293
Speaker 9: But what America is doing is equally terrible, equally equally Yeah.

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01:37:58,692 --> 01:38:00,973
Speaker 2: And how do you say equally? It's very different from

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01:38:01,013 --> 01:38:03,812
Speaker 2: what the Iranian regime has been doing of US forty

1912
01:38:03,812 --> 01:38:07,092
Speaker 2: seven years. Think what the Americans in the recent bombings

1913
01:38:07,333 --> 01:38:09,293
Speaker 2: of the regime. You think that's equal.

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Speaker 9: Well, they've killed civilians, They killed those kids in a school,

1915
01:38:16,053 --> 01:38:19,053
Speaker 9: and that is wrong. They had the opportunity not to

1916
01:38:19,133 --> 01:38:20,133
Speaker 9: do it, and they chose to do it.

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01:38:20,213 --> 01:38:22,452
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, all that stuff's kind of murky. I've

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01:38:22,492 --> 01:38:24,572
Speaker 2: been trying to read up on that. That's it's very

1919
01:38:24,772 --> 01:38:28,812
Speaker 2: still very murky. But what about but so that's an.

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01:38:28,732 --> 01:38:33,852
Speaker 9: Atas they shot forms, they had four munitions at that school.

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01:38:33,933 --> 01:38:36,612
Speaker 9: They put in three. They kept the fourth one as

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01:38:36,652 --> 01:38:39,812
Speaker 9: a loitering box, So you think they intentionally going into

1923
01:38:41,053 --> 01:38:44,012
Speaker 9: the survivors out they launched the fourth as a PSMO

1924
01:38:44,133 --> 01:38:44,972
Speaker 9: barrack weapon.

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01:38:45,173 --> 01:38:51,292
Speaker 2: Sol you think you think that the Americans purposefully attacked

1926
01:38:51,412 --> 01:38:53,932
Speaker 2: a girls school in Iran to what end?

1927
01:38:55,293 --> 01:38:58,133
Speaker 9: They didn't purpose? Well, they had they thought it was

1928
01:38:58,812 --> 01:39:01,213
Speaker 9: it had been a military base in the past or

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01:39:01,293 --> 01:39:03,333
Speaker 9: something like that, but it was no longer that it

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Speaker 9: was a school. What the Americans had done have removed

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Speaker 9: the civilian oversight for these military operations, which basically says,

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Speaker 9: if you think it's wrong, don't do it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, but you've said, you've said that they're equally as

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Speaker 2: bad as the regime.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, when you start, when you start killing into some people.

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01:39:23,372 --> 01:39:26,452
Speaker 2: But but but when you say so, the Iranian regime

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01:39:26,732 --> 01:39:30,973
Speaker 2: was has been shooting its own citizens on the street.

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Speaker 9: Its own citizens. And what about those two people are shot?

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Speaker 1: People?

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Speaker 2: What people are shot?

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Speaker 9: And the sad woman And we're talking talking tens.

1942
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Speaker 2: Of thousands of people mention purely protest a matter of degree?

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Speaker 9: Is it? So if you killed two of your own citizens,

1944
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Speaker 9: that's okay.

1945
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Speaker 2: If you're working about equal you. So you're you're you're

1946
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Speaker 2: opening statement.

1947
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Speaker 9: Arlie, it's either right or it's wrong, and this is wrong.

1948
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Speaker 2: So hang on a minute. So if someone kills five people,

1949
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Speaker 2: say a serial killer.

1950
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Speaker 9: Is you arguing to what the Americans are doing arguing with.

1951
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Speaker 2: You saying that they were equal? So listen, Charlie, you're

1952
01:40:11,933 --> 01:40:13,933
Speaker 2: saying that it's either right or wrong. So is a

1953
01:40:14,013 --> 01:40:17,732
Speaker 2: serial killer equally as bad as someone that exident that it.

1954
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Speaker 9: Was serial killers?

1955
01:40:18,692 --> 01:40:22,492
Speaker 2: No, it is, because you said you said ten thousand

1956
01:40:22,572 --> 01:40:26,772
Speaker 2: people and two people was the same. It is under

1957
01:40:26,853 --> 01:40:29,452
Speaker 2: international So the serial killer the same as someone that

1958
01:40:29,532 --> 01:40:30,253
Speaker 2: kills one person.

1959
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Speaker 9: What's a serial got to do with that?

1960
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Speaker 2: Well, you said that ten thousand people were many, many

1961
01:40:36,133 --> 01:40:38,492
Speaker 2: tens of thousands of people shot dead by the Iranian

1962
01:40:38,572 --> 01:40:45,133
Speaker 2: regime as and your example was that the American ice

1963
01:40:46,013 --> 01:40:49,253
Speaker 2: Well it's very complicated, but a couple of people died

1964
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Speaker 2: in ice enforcement in America.

1965
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Speaker 9: They were shot.

1966
01:40:54,572 --> 01:40:56,173
Speaker 2: So what do you think about so if you if

1967
01:40:56,213 --> 01:41:00,013
Speaker 2: you're talking about so, if you're talking about so, what

1968
01:41:00,173 --> 01:41:02,572
Speaker 2: about how America treats its woman compared to how the

1969
01:41:02,652 --> 01:41:05,853
Speaker 2: regime regime treats its woman in Iran.

1970
01:41:06,333 --> 01:41:10,253
Speaker 9: America treats its woman terribly does at the same extent, Well,

1971
01:41:10,293 --> 01:41:13,852
Speaker 9: the abortion rules that change their row versus way, haven't they.

1972
01:41:14,013 --> 01:41:16,852
Speaker 2: Are they whipping? Because we had a woman Iranian women

1973
01:41:16,933 --> 01:41:22,652
Speaker 2: on the show that received forty lashes from the Iranian regime.

1974
01:41:22,772 --> 01:41:24,173
Speaker 9: Absolutely agree it's terrible.

1975
01:41:24,213 --> 01:41:26,893
Speaker 2: So the Americans aren't lashing women in their streets for

1976
01:41:27,093 --> 01:41:27,732
Speaker 2: showing their hair.

1977
01:41:28,412 --> 01:41:31,372
Speaker 3: But surely, surely there's degrees of evil, Charlie, because you

1978
01:41:31,452 --> 01:41:34,452
Speaker 3: said if it's wrong, it's wrong, and that's not the truth.

1979
01:41:34,572 --> 01:41:36,772
Speaker 4: You know that, I know that there's a lot of

1980
01:41:36,853 --> 01:41:38,333
Speaker 4: gray in this world, and that is part of it.

1981
01:41:39,173 --> 01:41:40,612
Speaker 4: Of course, there are degrees of harm.

1982
01:41:40,812 --> 01:41:43,852
Speaker 3: But also you said before, Charlie, that the US are

1983
01:41:43,973 --> 01:41:48,052
Speaker 3: indiscriminately attacking civilians in Iran. Again, that is not true.

1984
01:41:48,532 --> 01:41:50,612
Speaker 4: That the Iran regime has built a lot of their

1985
01:41:50,732 --> 01:41:55,293
Speaker 4: military operations right beside civilian buildings, and of course it's tactical.

1986
01:41:55,333 --> 01:41:57,892
Speaker 4: If that was true, then the US would go when

1987
01:41:58,213 --> 01:42:00,812
Speaker 4: you could see it, any analyst, you could see exactly

1988
01:42:00,893 --> 01:42:04,213
Speaker 4: where these missile and ballistics operations are, and they are

1989
01:42:04,253 --> 01:42:07,333
Speaker 4: by hospitals and they are by schools. Because the Iranian

1990
01:42:07,372 --> 01:42:10,173
Speaker 4: regime thought they'd be tek to doing that and what.

1991
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Speaker 3: I mean if what what you said was true, If

1992
01:42:12,372 --> 01:42:14,253
Speaker 3: what you said was true, then they would go and

1993
01:42:14,333 --> 01:42:16,773
Speaker 3: scorched earth. You don't think the US has the capability

1994
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Speaker 3: of doing that. Of course these are surgical strikes.

1995
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Speaker 9: They're not.

1996
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Speaker 3: Of course they are.

1997
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Speaker 9: No, they're not.

1998
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Speaker 3: Why wouldn't they have a scorched earth policy. Why wouldn't

1999
01:42:26,532 --> 01:42:29,013
Speaker 3: they wipe out the whole country? They've got the capability

2000
01:42:29,053 --> 01:42:31,773
Speaker 3: to do that with or without. Actually I've got the capability.

2001
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Speaker 3: But no, you are arguing no, No, I'm talking about

2002
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Speaker 3: your your your.

2003
01:42:35,013 --> 01:42:37,812
Speaker 4: Your falsehoods, your falsehoods on making your arguments is we

2004
01:42:37,893 --> 01:42:40,213
Speaker 4: can have a reason to debate about the morality on

2005
01:42:40,293 --> 01:42:40,933
Speaker 4: both sides of it.

2006
01:42:42,173 --> 01:42:44,333
Speaker 2: What I'm saying is, you know you are false because

2007
01:42:44,372 --> 01:42:48,733
Speaker 2: you said that two people dying under immigration law enforcement

2008
01:42:49,133 --> 01:42:56,372
Speaker 2: right or wrong, similar as similar, is even comparable to

2009
01:42:56,853 --> 01:43:01,812
Speaker 2: what the Iranian regime shooting protesters dead in the street,

2010
01:43:02,492 --> 01:43:03,372
Speaker 2: tens of thousands.

2011
01:43:03,692 --> 01:43:05,852
Speaker 9: Ing with that, I'm not saying that's a good thing

2012
01:43:05,933 --> 01:43:06,412
Speaker 9: at all.

2013
01:43:06,492 --> 01:43:08,652
Speaker 2: But you came and what the Americans doing, what the

2014
01:43:08,692 --> 01:43:11,412
Speaker 2: Americans doing are equally bad as the resume you said

2015
01:43:11,612 --> 01:43:12,732
Speaker 2: the Americans.

2016
01:43:14,053 --> 01:43:16,852
Speaker 9: Why do the Americans attack in the first place, no

2017
01:43:17,013 --> 01:43:18,972
Speaker 9: one has given you a clear Well.

2018
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Speaker 2: Do you want my opinion? And why are they attacked?

2019
01:43:21,893 --> 01:43:25,052
Speaker 9: No? No, no, no, not your opinion. The American Mark Rubio,

2020
01:43:25,372 --> 01:43:27,932
Speaker 9: he's been caught out twice. We're telling lies.

2021
01:43:28,133 --> 01:43:29,932
Speaker 2: So you don't So you asked me why you think

2022
01:43:29,973 --> 01:43:31,412
Speaker 2: they attacked? But you don't want my opinion?

2023
01:43:32,093 --> 01:43:33,812
Speaker 9: Oh no no, well no, no, don't don't care about

2024
01:43:33,853 --> 01:43:34,173
Speaker 9: your opinion.

2025
01:43:34,333 --> 01:43:36,172
Speaker 3: Well, nobody you're giving opinion.

2026
01:43:36,372 --> 01:43:37,293
Speaker 2: You're giving your opinion.

2027
01:43:37,492 --> 01:43:42,293
Speaker 9: Nobody knows. Nobody knows why the Americans have attacked Iran people.

2028
01:43:42,372 --> 01:43:44,972
Speaker 2: People have a pretty good idea.

2029
01:43:46,293 --> 01:43:48,372
Speaker 9: I don't think they do. Think they've been lied to

2030
01:43:48,893 --> 01:43:51,412
Speaker 9: and the Americans don't know. What what do you think?

2031
01:43:51,692 --> 01:43:54,132
Speaker 9: What do you think they have done it themselves? Why

2032
01:43:54,173 --> 01:43:55,772
Speaker 9: do you think look down the river?

2033
01:43:56,013 --> 01:43:57,253
Speaker 2: Why do you think they've attacked?

2034
01:43:59,732 --> 01:44:03,413
Speaker 9: Well, they've misjudged, first of all, But they've misjudged.

2035
01:44:03,452 --> 01:44:05,213
Speaker 2: But to misjudge, Charlie, they must have had a plan

2036
01:44:05,293 --> 01:44:07,173
Speaker 2: in the first place. And so what would they if

2037
01:44:07,173 --> 01:44:08,652
Speaker 2: they had judged rightly? What they think?

2038
01:44:08,652 --> 01:44:12,412
Speaker 9: Ok came out and said that it was an imminent attack.

2039
01:44:12,532 --> 01:44:16,333
Speaker 9: They had lethal weapons, they had what you call nuclear weapons.

2040
01:44:16,572 --> 01:44:18,652
Speaker 9: Well a few months ago, didn't he wipe out all

2041
01:44:18,692 --> 01:44:21,213
Speaker 9: their nuclear weapons, so either they do or they don't have.

2042
01:44:21,652 --> 01:44:23,092
Speaker 3: But that wasn't what was said, Charlie.

2043
01:44:23,133 --> 01:44:25,572
Speaker 4: I mean, this is like you, you're clearly a smart guy,

2044
01:44:25,612 --> 01:44:28,213
Speaker 4: but it's this intellectual dishonesty with these sort of debates.

2045
01:44:28,492 --> 01:44:30,372
Speaker 4: What he said was, No, what he said was and

2046
01:44:30,452 --> 01:44:34,092
Speaker 4: what Marco Rubio said, excuse me, Charlie. What Marco Ruby

2047
01:44:34,492 --> 01:44:37,612
Speaker 4: Rubio said is there was intelligence that if Israel went

2048
01:44:37,772 --> 01:44:40,372
Speaker 4: and then US bases would be hit as well. That

2049
01:44:40,572 --> 01:44:42,812
Speaker 4: was one of the justifications, not all of them, but

2050
01:44:42,893 --> 01:44:45,133
Speaker 4: that was one of them. There was no discussion about

2051
01:44:45,133 --> 01:44:46,692
Speaker 4: a nuke about to launch in America.

2052
01:44:47,452 --> 01:44:49,532
Speaker 9: Well hang on, okay, so what's the outcome of all

2053
01:44:49,612 --> 01:44:54,612
Speaker 9: of that. We've now got American bases being hit anyway again,

2054
01:44:54,772 --> 01:44:56,772
Speaker 9: tankers hit in the in the straight up removes.

2055
01:44:57,133 --> 01:45:00,053
Speaker 4: So what's well, No, the point was they're going to

2056
01:45:00,093 --> 01:45:03,293
Speaker 4: have to get involved. If that exactly what you're saying, Charlie. No, No,

2057
01:45:03,452 --> 01:45:05,893
Speaker 4: that that that that they've been hit anyway. That was

2058
01:45:05,973 --> 01:45:08,612
Speaker 4: the one of the justifications that they knew they were

2059
01:45:08,652 --> 01:45:11,492
Speaker 4: going to be brought into this. And there was some

2060
01:45:11,732 --> 01:45:16,012
Speaker 4: wider discussions around the threat that Iran Iran would pose

2061
01:45:16,173 --> 01:45:18,692
Speaker 4: if they got a hold of these weapons.

2062
01:45:18,772 --> 01:45:20,213
Speaker 3: So that is all part and these are just some

2063
01:45:20,452 --> 01:45:22,973
Speaker 3: justifications as we've heard from from the US authorities.

2064
01:45:23,612 --> 01:45:26,012
Speaker 9: Sorry, well, why isn't the rest of the world jumping

2065
01:45:26,053 --> 01:45:30,333
Speaker 9: in there? Why have Italy? And Beane said, I think

2066
01:45:30,412 --> 01:45:31,893
Speaker 9: that no, things, we're not interested.

2067
01:45:31,692 --> 01:45:32,252
Speaker 2: But because.

2068
01:45:33,893 --> 01:45:34,293
Speaker 9: Think about it.

2069
01:45:34,333 --> 01:45:37,612
Speaker 2: But Charlie, I'll tell you why. Is because America is

2070
01:45:37,692 --> 01:45:40,173
Speaker 2: doing it for what they seem to be what they

2071
01:45:40,253 --> 01:45:45,692
Speaker 2: have decided is their best strategical advantage, for their own

2072
01:45:45,692 --> 01:45:48,173
Speaker 2: strateistical value. So they're doing it for themselves. But but

2073
01:45:48,293 --> 01:45:49,412
Speaker 2: that's that's what.

2074
01:45:49,933 --> 01:45:50,772
Speaker 9: Can you agree with that?

2075
01:45:51,692 --> 01:45:54,253
Speaker 2: I agree with that. I agree that that what that

2076
01:45:54,412 --> 01:45:56,732
Speaker 2: that's why they're doing it. I think that I don't

2077
01:45:56,893 --> 01:45:59,093
Speaker 2: I don't know anything about the outcome. I'd be very

2078
01:45:59,173 --> 01:46:02,333
Speaker 2: surprised if it leads to the outcome that people want.

2079
01:46:02,412 --> 01:46:06,012
Speaker 2: I fear for the Iranian people. I think regime change

2080
01:46:06,053 --> 01:46:08,852
Speaker 2: in the Middle East is incredibly complex, and I don't

2081
01:46:08,933 --> 01:46:12,692
Speaker 2: know if you can get that by just bombing from above.

2082
01:46:13,293 --> 01:46:16,333
Speaker 2: And and we've seen that regime change doesn't even happen

2083
01:46:16,372 --> 01:46:17,973
Speaker 2: the way you want when you're seeing troops and on

2084
01:46:18,013 --> 01:46:20,732
Speaker 2: the ground. So I mean, as someone said before, they

2085
01:46:20,812 --> 01:46:24,013
Speaker 2: spent ten trillion dollars to move the Taliband from being

2086
01:46:24,053 --> 01:46:26,053
Speaker 2: in charge to the Taliban being in charge with the

2087
01:46:26,612 --> 01:46:30,133
Speaker 2: entire operation in Iraq. So I don't think that there

2088
01:46:30,253 --> 01:46:32,612
Speaker 2: is that that. I don't know if that will happen.

2089
01:46:33,173 --> 01:46:36,572
Speaker 2: But what I do know is that America has a

2090
01:46:36,772 --> 01:46:39,572
Speaker 2: plan as far as they're concerned, well the Trump the

2091
01:46:39,612 --> 01:46:43,252
Speaker 2: Trump administration, what they think will best achieve its strategic

2092
01:46:43,372 --> 01:46:46,253
Speaker 2: goals in that in that area. I think that's I

2093
01:46:46,333 --> 01:46:48,692
Speaker 2: think that's I think that's true. But if we can

2094
01:46:48,732 --> 01:46:51,333
Speaker 2: go back to what if we go back to what

2095
01:46:51,372 --> 01:46:53,572
Speaker 2: you said at the start about the that that the

2096
01:46:53,692 --> 01:46:58,173
Speaker 2: Americans are equally as bad as the Iranian regime? Right

2097
01:46:58,652 --> 01:46:59,253
Speaker 2: do you do?

2098
01:46:59,333 --> 01:46:59,372
Speaker 16: You?

2099
01:47:00,013 --> 01:47:00,213
Speaker 12: Are you?

2100
01:47:00,412 --> 01:47:02,693
Speaker 2: What would you be worried at all if the Iranian's

2101
01:47:02,732 --> 01:47:03,612
Speaker 2: got a nuclear bomb?

2102
01:47:05,213 --> 01:47:07,852
Speaker 9: The Regian Well, no, I wouldn't be worried.

2103
01:47:08,333 --> 01:47:08,933
Speaker 2: Don't think that'd us.

2104
01:47:09,692 --> 01:47:12,053
Speaker 9: The Americans have got you that the Israelis have got

2105
01:47:12,133 --> 01:47:14,612
Speaker 9: nuclear weapons, of Pakistani has got nuclear weapons, the French

2106
01:47:14,652 --> 01:47:16,932
Speaker 9: have got nuclear weapons. Should we be afraid of them

2107
01:47:16,973 --> 01:47:17,293
Speaker 9: as well?

2108
01:47:17,452 --> 01:47:19,372
Speaker 2: So you don't think you don't think that the Iranian

2109
01:47:19,452 --> 01:47:24,492
Speaker 2: regime as more likely to use them on on U?

2110
01:47:25,293 --> 01:47:28,532
Speaker 2: You don't know, have you and have you investigated the

2111
01:47:28,732 --> 01:47:32,573
Speaker 2: the what the beliefs of that particular theocracy?

2112
01:47:35,933 --> 01:47:38,053
Speaker 9: Are you? What are you having to go at Islam now?

2113
01:47:38,093 --> 01:47:38,253
Speaker 12: Are you?

2114
01:47:39,253 --> 01:47:39,293
Speaker 9: No?

2115
01:47:39,532 --> 01:47:44,012
Speaker 2: I'm having a go at the Iranian regime because they're

2116
01:47:44,053 --> 01:47:46,253
Speaker 2: subjugating a lot of Muslims in their country. We had

2117
01:47:46,333 --> 01:47:48,973
Speaker 2: a Muslim on the on the phone before who was

2118
01:47:49,173 --> 01:47:51,372
Speaker 2: very very much anti the regime.

2119
01:47:52,333 --> 01:47:54,532
Speaker 9: Yeah. Well, if the Americans hadn't gone in the early

2120
01:47:54,612 --> 01:47:57,413
Speaker 9: fifties of the British and thrown at a democratic, democratic,

2121
01:47:57,572 --> 01:48:02,372
Speaker 9: democratically elected prime minister in the early fifties, then none

2122
01:48:02,412 --> 01:48:03,253
Speaker 9: of this might have happened.

2123
01:48:03,692 --> 01:48:06,172
Speaker 2: So you would be happy to live in New Zealand.

2124
01:48:06,692 --> 01:48:08,812
Speaker 2: Would you prefer to live under the American government in

2125
01:48:08,853 --> 01:48:11,412
Speaker 2: New Zealand or the Islamic regime in New Zealand.

2126
01:48:11,893 --> 01:48:13,972
Speaker 9: I'd rather live under the New Zealand government. I don't

2127
01:48:13,973 --> 01:48:17,092
Speaker 9: want to live under the American government, the Americans.

2128
01:48:17,812 --> 01:48:19,652
Speaker 2: Would you rather live in Would you rather live in

2129
01:48:19,692 --> 01:48:23,372
Speaker 2: America or would you rather live in New Yorker Tyrone?

2130
01:48:24,652 --> 01:48:26,492
Speaker 9: Do you have a live in Wellington, New Zealand? Thank you?

2131
01:48:26,732 --> 01:48:28,612
Speaker 3: Yep, that's nice place, Wellington for Wellington.

2132
01:48:28,812 --> 01:48:30,692
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for you call Charlie really appreciate it.

2133
01:48:30,732 --> 01:48:33,652
Speaker 4: Yeah, good on you. Charlie enjoyed that. Right beg very shortly.

2134
01:48:33,732 --> 01:48:35,412
Speaker 4: It is fourteen minutes to fourth.

2135
01:48:36,173 --> 01:48:38,532
Speaker 1: Have a chat with Matt and Tyler on Oh eight

2136
01:48:38,652 --> 01:48:41,052
Speaker 1: hundred eighty eight Matt Heath and Tyner Adams.

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01:48:41,173 --> 01:48:44,572
Speaker 13: Afternoons with Skoda. Can you crack the scoder code? News

2138
01:48:44,652 --> 01:48:45,253
Speaker 13: dog Z'd be.

2139
01:48:45,692 --> 01:48:49,372
Speaker 4: Horribly late eleven to four, but let's go to area

2140
01:48:49,412 --> 01:48:51,333
Speaker 4: Zoo Are zoo. Very good afternoon to.

2141
01:48:51,372 --> 01:48:53,613
Speaker 18: You, Good afternoon.

2142
01:48:53,893 --> 01:48:54,732
Speaker 16: How are you today?

2143
01:48:54,973 --> 01:48:57,173
Speaker 3: We are good Now we're short on time, but really

2144
01:48:57,293 --> 01:48:58,372
Speaker 3: keen to hear your thoughts.

2145
01:48:59,853 --> 01:49:02,852
Speaker 18: Sure, so, I was listening to your discussion with Charlie,

2146
01:49:04,173 --> 01:49:07,772
Speaker 18: and honestly I'm trying to calm because I have leaved

2147
01:49:07,812 --> 01:49:11,333
Speaker 18: it stuff twenty seven years in Iran. I'm a girl

2148
01:49:12,053 --> 01:49:15,853
Speaker 18: raised in Iran, in those the schools, in those environments.

2149
01:49:17,013 --> 01:49:21,812
Speaker 18: Uranian people are the majority of Iranian people are so peaceful.

2150
01:49:23,013 --> 01:49:30,372
Speaker 18: And what I've went through and I've experienced as a

2151
01:49:30,692 --> 01:49:37,293
Speaker 18: very connected but concerned citizen of Iran with my parents

2152
01:49:37,333 --> 01:49:41,613
Speaker 18: who are Muslim, actually moderate Muslims, but they are suppressed,

2153
01:49:41,893 --> 01:49:45,532
Speaker 18: usually suppressed because of they didn't think the same way

2154
01:49:45,612 --> 01:49:50,132
Speaker 18: of the government, which fired a lot of times, voting

2155
01:49:50,213 --> 01:49:53,572
Speaker 18: for reformists to change the government or at least moderate

2156
01:49:53,612 --> 01:49:57,492
Speaker 18: the government didn't work over time. But what I went

2157
01:49:57,612 --> 01:50:03,372
Speaker 18: through is really traumatic, watching over and over again at

2158
01:50:03,412 --> 01:50:07,293
Speaker 18: different times. Green movement after that mass dimon is a

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Speaker 18: movement and this the late latest revolution line and und revolution.

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Speaker 18: There forty thousand people, at least forty thousand seekers were

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Speaker 18: slaughtered over to nights only to nights. Think about that

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Speaker 18: and over the reports coming from inside of the country

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Speaker 18: from my friends sending messages over the internet blackout if

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Speaker 18: they can connect seconds, they send me messages like our voice.

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Speaker 18: You have no idea what we went through. If these

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Speaker 18: people dogs stay in power, we will all did dead.

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Speaker 16: We very well know.

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Speaker 18: If these guys get new they're doing the whole world.

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Speaker 18: So what us If people are against us, If people

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Speaker 18: don't like Trump, or they don't like Natenia who or

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Speaker 18: don't like Israel, Okay, that's okay with them. What I

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Speaker 18: know is that the Irrenians called wherever skill mission who

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Speaker 18: the reward and nobody took and or us but Trump

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Speaker 18: thump or whatever. Had I had a girl who has cancer.

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Speaker 18: I'm going to hospital, the surgeon. I don't know it's

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Speaker 18: white or black or what color or what the hat

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Speaker 18: is doing is trying to save my girl? Am I

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Speaker 18: asking you no, get the damn thing done?

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Speaker 15: Save my girl?

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for giving us a call that

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Speaker 3: puts things at all into perspective. Really, I beg very shortly.

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Speaker 3: It is eight to four.

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and

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Speaker 1: everything in between.

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Speaker 13: That Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

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Speaker 3: It be news talks there be it is five to

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Speaker 3: four and the sixth.

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Speaker 2: There's nothing worse than someone who is so strong in

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Speaker 2: their beliefs that they literally ignore those from the country

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Speaker 2: with said dictorial regime. The view being I don't like

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Speaker 2: American violence. I don't try like Trump, but I am

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Speaker 2: keen for the dictatorship regime violence that has occurred for decades.

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Speaker 2: How much more from the regime must occur before these

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Speaker 2: do goods need to see. This isn't Palestine, where a

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Speaker 2: lot of the public support the government. There there is

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Speaker 2: an active uprising in Iran, says this text. Well, it's

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Speaker 2: been quite a I mean it's one of those things.

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Speaker 2: We've been talking about this for a long time, but

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Speaker 2: you know, you still feel like you didn't get to

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Speaker 2: the hub of the chat. Yeah, anyway, that brings us

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Speaker 2: to the end of the show. Had a great, great

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Speaker 2: conversation the great powerful Heatherdoplassy Allen is up next and

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Speaker 2: she'll be talking to Nikola with us about what we

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Speaker 2: wanted to talk about on the show before we went

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Speaker 2: on this big wide ranging Middle East conflict chat, which

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Speaker 2: I love, by the way. But she'll be talking to

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Speaker 2: Nicola ll Us about the government's plans around fuel supplies

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Speaker 2: going forward. But right now, Tyler, my good buddy, why

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Speaker 2: am I playing this song?

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Speaker 3: There's a lovely song, take My Breath Away Berlin.

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Speaker 2: She got no idea because it won the Best Song

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Speaker 2: Oscar in nineteen eighty six for Top Guard. Then the

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Speaker 2: oscars are on right now, all right, Dan seem busy.

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Speaker 2: We'll let you go until tomorrow afternoon. Give a taste

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Speaker 2: of Kiwi from us.

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Speaker 7: Love you.

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Speaker 13: For more from News Talk sed B.

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Speaker 1: Listen live on air or online, and keep our shows

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