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Speaker 1: Now Ellen, there will be no rugby and the Carpety

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Speaker 1: and Horde Fenerware regions this weekend because the local rugby

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Speaker 1: union has canceled all club games all school games after

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Speaker 1: another case of referee abuse.

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Speaker 2: The game was between Carpety College and Marna College. The

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Speaker 2: union said the ref was so seriously abused he had

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Speaker 2: to be escorted to his car. Mike Hester is the

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Speaker 2: participation development manager at New Zealand Rugby. Hey, Mike, Hi,

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Speaker 2: what happened was this between the ref and the coach

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Speaker 2: of one of the teams.

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Speaker 3: The details depend on who you talk to, but the

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Speaker 3: reality was there was some views from spectators that were

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Speaker 3: really at the heart of it, and so that's what

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Speaker 3: led to some of the issues with the game having

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Speaker 3: to be called off.

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Speaker 2: So the spectator started piping up and did they then

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Speaker 2: wind up one of the coaches?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So the reality is, I mean a lot of

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Speaker 3: these things can happen on the sideline with chaff from

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Speaker 3: spectators to coaches and the like. So probably the details

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Speaker 3: of it, again it depends on who you talk to

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Speaker 3: and the reports. But similarly, it was sufficient enough that

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Speaker 3: referee had to make decision around the game and then

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Speaker 3: be supported to be able to leave.

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Speaker 2: And was it the coach of the Mona team, which

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Speaker 2: is the team that.

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Speaker 3: Lost again, Probably not looking again into specific.

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Speaker 2: Come on, this is what is out there. It's already

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Speaker 2: out there. So either either you're going to let somebody

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Speaker 2: continue to be falsely accused or we're going to clear

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Speaker 2: it up.

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Speaker 3: Probably don't have the information to be really accurate, and

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Speaker 3: we don't want to start sort of causing suggestions about

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Speaker 3: who did what.

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Speaker 2: Did the ref push or punch the coach?

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Speaker 3: Not to my knowledge, no, neither of them, not to

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Speaker 3: my knowledge.

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Speaker 2: And did the coach punch or push the ref.

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Speaker 3: Again, not not to my knowledge. And there will be

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Speaker 3: an investigation that will work through all of those issues

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Speaker 3: to get to the bottom of all of it.

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Speaker 2: And was this because the ref because the crowd found

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Speaker 2: that the whistle had been delayed, allowing the opposing team

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Speaker 2: to score an try and thus win the game?

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Speaker 3: Again, it depends on the reports that you you listen to.

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Speaker 3: But again, these things will be worked through. But the

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Speaker 3: reality is, I'll tell you what I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I didn't get you guys, I didn't get

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Speaker 2: you on to have a fight with you. So I

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Speaker 2: apologize but why are you being weird and shady about this?

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Speaker 2: Why not just tell us what happened?

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Speaker 3: Well, the reality is that we don't exactly know what

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Speaker 3: happened because there's a process that will be followed through

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Speaker 3: to get to the bottom of it.

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Speaker 2: This happen at the weekend? Am I imagining that?

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Speaker 3: No, no, it didn't happen at the weekend.

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Speaker 2: So you're telling me on Thursday you don't know what

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Speaker 2: happened at the weekend.

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Speaker 3: Well, these are local metas that HK has worked through

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Speaker 3: to evaluate.

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Speaker 2: What's Can I tell you something? There are some people

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Speaker 2: who have spoken to are pretty annoyed at New Zealand

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Speaker 2: Road because they reckon you guys just don't care about

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Speaker 2: the stuff enough. And it's sounding of it like that.

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Speaker 3: Ah, it's quite the contrary. The reality is that these

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Speaker 3: sort of behaviors are just totally unacceptable. And we know

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Speaker 3: that we have a sort of around seven thousand games

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Speaker 3: that are run every weekend and a lot of people

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Speaker 3: role model really good behavior, both as spectators, coaches, managers

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Speaker 3: and officials try to do their job, so there will

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Speaker 3: be these instances where unfortunately people get carried away and

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Speaker 3: go below the line. When these things happen. We need

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Speaker 3: to work through what are the facts, get to the

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Speaker 3: bottom of that, run their appropriate investigations and let it

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Speaker 3: run its course. What we're really pleased to see is

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Speaker 3: that whilst it's disappointing to see that they've to go

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Speaker 3: to these steps, is that the union has it acted

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Speaker 3: to back up their officials and also what good behavior

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Speaker 3: looks like. So these are things that are really important.

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Speaker 2: Now, Okay, Mike, I appreciate your time. I really appreciate

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Speaker 2: you coming on mate. That's Mike Hester, participation development manager

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Speaker 2: at New Zealand Rugby.

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