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Speaker 2: Hello, We're back on the front foot this week. We
Speaker 2: celebrate the eighteen success in Bangladesh against the Elements England
Speaker 2: that take a new attitude and a new team into
Speaker 2: the Zimbabwe Test. And the West Indies name a new
Speaker 2: Test captain after an exhaustive program back to some normality
Speaker 2: in the cricket ward. It's hard to believe the IPL
Speaker 2: still game. I thought they were going to finish that off.
Speaker 2: The PSL has got itself back on track and there
Speaker 2: minus some of their original signings from abscondent when hostilities
Speaker 2: broke out and a Test match duet Lord's goodness, gracious
Speaker 2: me a Test match. But our team in Bangladesh in
Speaker 2: Select now into their final game in Dhaka. A good
Speaker 2: win in Select, Jeremy Cooney, but I'm encouraged by that effort,
Speaker 2: because we all know Bangladesh is not an easy place
Speaker 2: to tour anywhere on the subcondinent. It's not an easy
Speaker 2: place to tour.
Speaker 3: It isn't.
Speaker 4: You're quite right, very different from what the players are
Speaker 4: accustomed to. I thought when you said we're going back
Speaker 4: to some normality, you might say, oh, a four day games,
Speaker 4: and I thought you might be referring to the A side.
Speaker 3: But yeah, and a test match. Look, I enjoyed.
Speaker 4: I enjoyed watching a bit of that game. I didn't
Speaker 4: see a lot, but clearly they got the worst of
Speaker 4: the weather in the sense that it was a bit
Speaker 4: wet early on and they were put in so they
Speaker 4: had to cope with that. Then they had to suppress
Speaker 4: the bangladeshings who were batting perhaps at the best time
Speaker 4: in the game, and so they really prevented them getting
Speaker 4: a big lead, which was very important, bouncing a bit
Speaker 4: of seam in the first couple of days, and then
Speaker 4: obviously spin coming into play, but spin only one wicket
Speaker 4: in the first two innings of the match.
Speaker 2: Yeah, interesting there, and we'll talk about that in just
Speaker 2: a tackle. So, because you know, looking back at that game,
Speaker 2: runs were hard to come by. Nick Kelly showed the
Speaker 2: value of his experience and scoring what could have been
Speaker 2: the match when innings before Addie Ashock produced the individual
Speaker 2: bowling highlight of a match with his third i Wick
Speaker 2: Hall in limited first class career, and that's the spin
Speaker 2: element that Jerry was talking about perhaps in the early
Speaker 2: part of the match. Nick Kelly is the co captain
Speaker 2: along with Joe Carter. They've both got experience. Carter went
Speaker 2: to India with the Last Day team they're now in
Speaker 2: Deaca and Nick Kelly was able to join on the
Speaker 2: front foot and Nick, it must have been satisfying to
Speaker 2: record that one once.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was was unbelievably satisfying. You know, we started
Speaker 5: with the three one dayers and I know the series
Speaker 5: ended two one, but I think if you asked the
Speaker 5: boys we we would probably say we were pretty outplayed
Speaker 5: in their conditions.
Speaker 6: So to bounce back.
Speaker 5: Over four days and and sit back at the end
Speaker 5: of that game was unbelievably rewarding. So you know, the
Speaker 5: guys have been over here learning quite a bit. You know,
Speaker 5: it's a reasonably short to us, so you know we
Speaker 5: sort of arrived and had two days training and then
Speaker 5: went straight into it. So you know, there's a lot
Speaker 5: of guys out here have never been to the subcontinent before,
Speaker 5: so they've been trying to learn on their feet pretty quickly.
Speaker 6: But like I said, you know, getting that win was
Speaker 6: pretty satisfying.
Speaker 2: There's obviously lessons are plenty, but firstly the fact that
Speaker 2: you were able to win a four day game. That
Speaker 2: was a bit of a challenge because the weather conditions
Speaker 2: didn't play a major part and they are a very
Speaker 2: strong opposition in terms of in their own country, aren't.
Speaker 6: They yea one hundred percent.
Speaker 5: You know, we saw a stat after the game that
Speaker 5: I think they've got They had I think eighty nine
Speaker 5: test caps between them and we had zero. So you know,
Speaker 5: when we heard that, it was even cooler feeling.
Speaker 6: Like you said, the.
Speaker 5: Weather played a little bit of a part. You know,
Speaker 5: there was lights, there was lights on the ground, which
Speaker 5: was cool, but you know with the red ball that
Speaker 5: obviously can't get too dark, so you know, we were
Speaker 5: losing over most days. And then just with the climate there,
Speaker 5: like these massive thunderstorms just coming quickly and you know
Speaker 5: they hang around for a bit that the drainage of
Speaker 5: the ground is unbelievable, so you know, the ground a
Speaker 5: couple of days with underwater and then within half an
Speaker 5: hour forty five minutes, you know, with the numerous groundsmen
Speaker 5: and the drainage systems, we were able to get back on.
Speaker 6: So that was awesome.
Speaker 5: And then yeah, when the sun did come out, it
Speaker 5: was it was pretty challenging, it was pretty hot, so yeah,
Speaker 5: it was.
Speaker 6: It was just an awesome experience for the group.
Speaker 2: You were put in. So that helped it in terms
Speaker 2: of I suppose the ability to be bowling last. And
Speaker 2: it seemed from what we were able to see here
Speaker 2: and we're ucky enough to be able to see it
Speaker 2: on the internet, that the spin bowlers are enjoying the
Speaker 2: conditions and it's a great development phase for them, isn't it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, definitely, you know they you know, bowling spin in
Speaker 5: New Zealand as a tough art.
Speaker 6: You know, there's not a lot on offer.
Speaker 5: You know, most of the time you have to use
Speaker 5: the drift store or the bounce to get your wickets.
Speaker 5: But over here, you know, as the days went on
Speaker 5: in the game, more so day three and four, you know,
Speaker 5: the pitcher started to dry out just with that, with
Speaker 5: that heat, and you know they were pretty frustrated up
Speaker 5: their first innings.
Speaker 6: You know, they didn't probably get the reward that.
Speaker 5: They would have liked, but they were unbelievably accurate and
Speaker 5: so you know, just keep reminding the boys that you
Speaker 5: know you will get your rewards just hanging there. And
Speaker 5: then on day four, I'm not sure if you're watching,
Speaker 5: but you know, it all happened pretty quickly.
Speaker 6: Eddie Eshock got those three wickets in and over and you.
Speaker 5: Know it was getting pretty dark there at one stage,
Speaker 5: so you know we didn't think, you know, we might
Speaker 5: not be able to get over the line.
Speaker 6: But yeah, the spinners were just unbelievable in this game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it managed to see the final day and I
Speaker 2: guess that's what spinners are therefore, to be able to
Speaker 2: clean up a game in the fourth innings after the
Speaker 2: seamers or others have done the job early on. And
Speaker 2: that was an absolutely remarkable finish and just shows the
Speaker 2: value of a leg spinner in any side, doesn't.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 5: Yeah obviously played for Wellington and we've got Peter young husband,
Speaker 5: and you know, it's such a blessing having someone who
Speaker 5: can turn the ball both ways, especially when you get
Speaker 5: down to sort of seven eight nineteen eleven. You know,
Speaker 5: the way they played spin over here was unbelievably impressive.
Speaker 5: And you know, when you're out out in the field
Speaker 5: roaming around, it can sometimes seem like that they're so
Speaker 5: on top, just with the way that they manipulate strike
Speaker 5: and you know.
Speaker 6: Use their sweep shots and use the crease.
Speaker 5: And you know, the spinners were getting a little bit
Speaker 5: frustrated at times. But then, like you said, you know,
Speaker 5: having a lade spinner who can spin the ball both ways,
Speaker 5: and you know, you just you just had to open
Speaker 5: up one end and get a new batsman out there,
Speaker 5: and then you just see how well they actually are
Speaker 5: bowling and how much it is turning. And then you know,
Speaker 5: we were just lucky enough to run through them just
Speaker 5: before we were called off for the light. So yeah,
Speaker 5: it was a pretty cool day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's always had for a new batchman coming to
Speaker 2: the crease too, to adjust himself to turn eye. I
Speaker 2: sense that there's not a huge amount of turn, but
Speaker 2: just enough for the bowlers.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we're actually quite quite surprised the first couple of days.
Speaker 5: Wait for the first two innings actly, there was only
Speaker 5: one wicket to spin for the first two innings. You know,
Speaker 5: the scene is there was actually probably a little bit
Speaker 5: more balance and scene movement than we would have thought.
Speaker 5: Their scene has bold unbelievably well in that first innings,
Speaker 5: we thought, but yeah, I think it's just building up
Speaker 5: those remps, making sure you're staying nice and patient, making
Speaker 5: sure you're staying you know, really nice and accurate. And
Speaker 5: then I found when I was out there batting, it was,
Speaker 5: you know, it wasn't turning that much. And then within
Speaker 5: a two or three over period, just with the way
Speaker 5: that the how hot the sun is and it was
Speaker 5: drying out the wicket and all of a sudden just
Speaker 5: started doing quite a bit.
Speaker 6: And it was probably halfway through.
Speaker 5: That second session on day three where you know, it
Speaker 5: probably started to turn a little bit more. And then
Speaker 5: by the time we got into day four it was
Speaker 5: you know, there was quite a consider considerable amount of turns.
Speaker 6: So you know, it's good learnings for everyone here.
Speaker 5: You know, like I said before, there's a lot of
Speaker 5: guys here on their first tour, so it'd be nice
Speaker 5: to bank those experiences for the next time we come over.
Speaker 5: And then yeah, we've got the Ducker Ducker game which
Speaker 5: starts tomorrow, and we had a look at that work
Speaker 5: at yesterday and you know looks completely different, a lot
Speaker 5: darker soil. I think it might turn a little bit
Speaker 5: more from from days one and two. So just you know,
Speaker 5: another cool challenge for the boys to experience.
Speaker 2: You talk about challenges, so you're any society one hundred
Speaker 2: and twenty two. Big scores have not been the norm,
Speaker 2: have they? The Bangadesha. I'd have had a couple of
Speaker 2: century makers, But it's been a real challenge for the
Speaker 2: batsman in the conditions over there, hasn't it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah, it's it's probably been a mixture of you know,
Speaker 5: some pretty good bowling mixed with I think it's the
Speaker 5: heat as well. Like to be honest, that was probably
Speaker 5: the hardest hardest day of cracket I've ever had out
Speaker 5: there in our day three is during that century, you know,
Speaker 5: unbelievably rewarding. But if I think back to the physical
Speaker 5: told that you know I was under you know, we
Speaker 5: had a we had Joe card of the Skipper go
Speaker 5: off with Pete stroke and you know, just even watching
Speaker 5: their seamers, you know, the spells were short and sharp,
Speaker 5: but you know at the end of the spells that
Speaker 5: were they were going off as they were pretty cooked.
Speaker 5: And yeah, I think you know, the wickets have been
Speaker 5: challenging for us just in terms of getting used to
Speaker 5: the bounce, and you know, the spin hasn't been massive,
Speaker 5: but you know it's just different to what we're used
Speaker 5: to back home. So yeah, I guess, you know, moving
Speaker 5: into this last game, you know the few o the
Speaker 5: boys have looked at, you know, scorecards from previous Ducker tests,
Speaker 5: and like you said, even even the tests and and
Speaker 5: Dhaka have been pretty low scoring, so you know, there
Speaker 5: might not be too many centuries in this game.
Speaker 6: It might be you know, how how do we get
Speaker 6: out there.
Speaker 5: And score as quickly as possible before you know boll
Speaker 5: has your name on it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in terms of the betting, if you say, they
Speaker 2: haven't been consistent high scores, but nice cameos from various
Speaker 2: individuals within the betting lineup, which helps to either keep
Speaker 2: the scoreboard close or give you a slight advantage. Was
Speaker 2: the bat.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah, it's you know, it's when you look back
Speaker 5: on a game, you know, there's there's there's always a
Speaker 5: little contributions that helped towards a win, and you know,
Speaker 5: when guys are getting in and getting twenty thirties and forties.
Speaker 5: You know, they come off, they're pretty frustrated with how
Speaker 5: they've gone, you know, how they've got out, and but
Speaker 5: then you know, you think back to you know, just
Speaker 5: giving guys cutting themselves a little bit of slack and going,
Speaker 5: look like this is the first time for or you know,
Speaker 5: big eighties or hundreds and those small contributions, especially in
Speaker 5: a low scoring game where I don't think anyone in
Speaker 5: the in the game scored over three hundred millies. You know,
Speaker 5: you need guys to be able to chip in and
Speaker 5: score those twenties, thirties and forties, so you know, when
Speaker 5: one or two other guys do stand up and get
Speaker 5: those bigger scores, you can you can put a competitive
Speaker 5: total on the board, which is what we're able to do.
Speaker 6: I thought, pretty well.
Speaker 2: You be happy, I suppose even though it looks like
Speaker 2: a very good stadium, just to get away and play
Speaker 2: at a different stadium. You probably almost checked them to
Speaker 2: live at the ground in that place, sevn't you.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, we're actually only there.
Speaker 5: It might have been two two and a half weeks,
Speaker 5: but it felt a lot longer than that.
Speaker 6: Just pretty much the hotel on the.
Speaker 5: Ground that we're allowed to go to so Yeah, I
Speaker 5: think I think a few of the boys, especially after that,
Speaker 5: when we're pretty happy to get on the plane and
Speaker 5: get to Ducker and just you.
Speaker 6: Know, get in a new hotel, new environment.
Speaker 5: Ducker obviously a lot more going on than there's like
Speaker 5: twenty twenty five million people here. So even just just
Speaker 5: added challenge and travel to the ground, you know, it
Speaker 5: takes a lot longer, you know, keep more people, which
Speaker 5: is awesome. But yeah, like you said, we're pretty happy
Speaker 5: to get out of so Let The hospitality from Banglaish
Speaker 5: cricket has been unbelievable, but yeah, you know, it's always
Speaker 5: nice to mix it up, especially after a win.
Speaker 2: You come away with good experiences from this tour and
Speaker 2: every player in some form or other has been able
Speaker 2: to contribute. And you've got to bear in mind that
Speaker 2: the majority of the team have been the highly performed
Speaker 2: players in our domestic competition, haven't they. I mean, you
Speaker 2: and Moa Bass and anothers have made your international appearances.
Speaker 2: But you know, it's it's backing up a season of
Speaker 2: pretty good performances by everybody on the side, isn't it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah, there's you know, you look through the list
Speaker 5: of fifteen guys that are here, and you know, they
Speaker 5: all demand.
Speaker 6: Their spot in the team.
Speaker 5: And you know, you speak to some guys and you
Speaker 5: know they're pretty happy with how they too have gone.
Speaker 6: To has gone, and then you speak.
Speaker 5: To others and you know they're pretty disappointed. But I
Speaker 5: think that's probably the role for the older guys in
Speaker 5: the group, like myself and Joe, and just reminding them that,
Speaker 5: you know, just because you've had a tough to it
Speaker 5: doesn't make you any worse of a player or any
Speaker 5: you know, it doesn't you know, degrade from the season
Speaker 5: that you had in New Zealand. You know, like these
Speaker 5: are all experiences. We're all here learning and think that's
Speaker 5: just part of cricket, you know, like we're all looking
Speaker 5: to get better. And I think part of that is
Speaker 5: exposing yourself to foreign conditions. And I know the guys
Speaker 5: over here that have struggled, the next time they come
Speaker 5: to the subcontinent they'll be so much better for it.
Speaker 6: But yeah, it's just it's an awesome.
Speaker 5: Challenge, I guess, you know, whether a twenty year old
Speaker 5: or like myself and you know, thirty thirty one, just
Speaker 5: learning learning how to you know, perform outside of New Zealand.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're an experienced player. You've had a very good
Speaker 2: season for Wellington, an award winner in the Firebirds camp.
Speaker 2: How are you assessing your performance throughout the season leading
Speaker 2: up into this and the century you got in silet?
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was. It was an unbelievable season for me.
Speaker 5: Statistically probably it was my best season, so it was. Yeah,
Speaker 5: it was awesome obviously to get the reward at the
Speaker 5: end of that season to play for the black Caps.
Speaker 6: You know, it was a will wind experience for me.
Speaker 5: Looking back on it, you know, it alway would have
Speaker 5: been nice to score a few more runs, but I
Speaker 5: guess as you.
Speaker 6: Get older, you kind of got to.
Speaker 5: Just know that the you know, those experiences are invaluable
Speaker 5: and you know it'll be one of the highlights of
Speaker 5: my career and hopefully it's not the last time I
Speaker 5: get to put on the black Caps jersey. And then,
Speaker 5: you know, after after reflecting on the season and the
Speaker 5: black Caps experience for a couple of weeks or so,
Speaker 5: it was just awesome to get straight back into it
Speaker 5: and come over to Bangladesh and like I said before,
Speaker 5: you know, it was a pretty tough start for some
Speaker 5: of us. I guess that's the challenge of touring and
Speaker 5: you just got to stay locked in and keep training hard.
Speaker 6: And you know.
Speaker 5: It was it was Like I said before, it was
Speaker 5: probably one of the most rewarding endings I've ever had
Speaker 5: over here after after you know, the lead up to it.
Speaker 2: And in terms of wearing the black cap shit again.
Speaker 2: I suppose all the guys are also conscious of the
Speaker 2: fact that the game or two coming up of South
Speaker 2: Africa isn't there.
Speaker 6: Yep, yep.
Speaker 5: So there's another there's another New Zealand a tour of
Speaker 5: South Africa. I think that goes from August to September,
Speaker 5: and then there's a Zimbabwe tour in July August for
Speaker 5: the for the Test team with a couple of Tea
Speaker 5: twenties chucked in there, so you know, it'll be interesting
Speaker 5: to see what that side looks like. They've obviously got
Speaker 5: have got the head coach roll up for Grams as well,
Speaker 5: so I guess once they name that they'll get a
Speaker 5: bit of clarity around you know, what side they want
Speaker 5: to take there. And yeah, obviously you know there's a
Speaker 5: lot of guys over here put up their hands with
Speaker 5: some pretty nice performances, So yeah, it'll be it'll be
Speaker 5: exciting a couple of months ahead.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, pleanny to play for all the best. Hope
Speaker 2: the the success continues through the final game in Bangadesh
Speaker 2: and then the majority of the players on hand for
Speaker 2: the African Tour. Thanks for your time, Nick.
Speaker 6: Here's what thanks for having met Kelly with us on
Speaker 6: the front foot and Jarry.
Speaker 2: It's good to hear cricketers talking honestly about how they
Speaker 2: feel about what they're facing over there. Often you hear
Speaker 2: them trying to just deflect and say, you know, that's
Speaker 2: the way it was, that dada dada dada party line.
Speaker 2: But he talked about the things that he found difficult
Speaker 2: the other players have found different, the real challenges. And
Speaker 2: again it's not so much about the actual result. It's
Speaker 2: how they get to the result, isn't it and what
Speaker 2: they do along the way because they're not picking the
Speaker 2: same team on each game. So you know, it was
Speaker 2: a good reflection and I think that highlights the value
Speaker 2: of the win.
Speaker 4: I enjoyed listening to it once. He's quite an experienced player,
Speaker 4: isn't he, Nick Kelly?
Speaker 3: What is he?
Speaker 4: Nearly thirty two, nearly born Dare we say it in Australia.
Speaker 4: Then he came right sixty sixty one first class matches,
Speaker 4: he's averaging thirty nine. He's also played, I think, in
Speaker 4: the Caribbean League, hasn't He played for sort of Saint
Speaker 4: Kitts Nevis that side. So an experienced first class player
Speaker 4: also played franchise, and so he's had plenty of time
Speaker 4: to experience some disappointments and enjoy some success as well.
Speaker 4: And there's that feeling you can have as he talks.
Speaker 4: He's more reflective, I think. And it hasn't been all
Speaker 4: success for him on this tour, not fourteen nineteen twenty
Speaker 4: and then that last innings in the second and one
Speaker 4: hundred and twenty two. So and that made a difference
Speaker 4: in the game really in terms of the runs, didn't it.
Speaker 4: I enjoyed the way they hung in the game. I
Speaker 4: enjoyed it when he told me how little experienced the
Speaker 4: New Zealand ay side had zero caps and ten fists
Speaker 4: and Bangladesh had eighty nine. I think that's quite telling,
Speaker 4: isn't it. One of those difficult things that you spoke
Speaker 4: about in touring Bangladesh. Not just the heat he mentioned that,
Speaker 4: not just the thunderstorms. He mentioned that, not just staying
Speaker 4: in your hotel for a long periods of time. He
Speaker 4: mentioned that, and so it's something that is different for
Speaker 4: the New Zealand perspective. And I thought the parts that
Speaker 4: he spoke about the spin in the first innings that
Speaker 4: players getting frustrated the spinners.
Speaker 3: And that's a good thing.
Speaker 4: You can talk until you're red in the face about
Speaker 4: accuracy and consistency, but until the bowlers have actually felt it,
Speaker 4: it's quite difficult to get through to them.
Speaker 3: It's just a couple of words.
Speaker 4: I enjoyed the fact that he noticed that their players,
Speaker 4: the Bangladesk players say, play spin so well, they.
Speaker 3: Look so comfortable.
Speaker 4: No, absolutely, and you know, manipulating the ball and using
Speaker 4: the increase and playing the sweep and so on.
Speaker 3: But it brings up an important point, doesn't it.
Speaker 4: You learn as well, not just from batting or from
Speaker 4: bowling or fielding. You learn from watching the other side play,
Speaker 4: and particularly the locals play, who have been in those
Speaker 4: conditions all their lives.
Speaker 3: So that was interesting to me.
Speaker 4: You mentioned Addie Ashok and you spoke to him about
Speaker 4: nice to have a bowler who can turn it both ways.
Speaker 4: I would also mention Linux because he was at the
Speaker 4: other end, wasn't he And he's been quite tight and
Speaker 4: tidy and accurate and those things we've talked about all tour.
Speaker 4: So you know, the heat he mentioned Carter going off
Speaker 4: of heat stroke.
Speaker 3: Joe Carter.
Speaker 4: I guess it's Joe, not Bob guard of the coach.
Speaker 4: He wouldn't be taken off the heat stroke with just
Speaker 4: from watching And yeah, I think I really quite enjoyed
Speaker 4: the whole interview.
Speaker 3: Actually, as you say, good to hear a player.
Speaker 4: They don't normally let us speak to the players, do
Speaker 4: not us anyway. That's hard and it's good to get
Speaker 4: him this time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's you know, and I thought it was
Speaker 2: interesting and important too to talk about his season because
Speaker 2: as he said, it's the best season he's had. And
Speaker 2: you know, players care about those sorts of things, don't.
Speaker 2: They look at their stats. They want to achieve. He
Speaker 2: got an international selection at the end of it. There
Speaker 2: are other players who haven't quite performed on the source
Speaker 2: of Muhammed Bass, who is, you know, an up and
Speaker 2: coming young player, but probably ten years younger than than
Speaker 2: Nick Kelly, you know, and obviously Kelly and Carter, and
Speaker 2: perhaps somebody like Mitch Hay who's been around the scene
Speaker 2: for a while, are helping some of these other guys
Speaker 2: come to grips with playing in the subcontinent. They've had
Speaker 2: a couple of tours there. It's good development for them.
Speaker 2: And you know, the heat aspects. We underplay the heat
Speaker 2: aspect to some extent because you know what it's like.
Speaker 2: You've played in really hot conditions that you know it
Speaker 2: can It can tear you apart, can't. It can take
Speaker 2: your mind off the game, you can lose concentration, you
Speaker 2: can make mistakes easily when you're fatigued, and you know,
Speaker 2: to be able to come out of that game with
Speaker 2: a victory, I think they beat all the things that
Speaker 2: were against them, including the elements. Yep.
Speaker 4: I agree, spin and heat two rather different things for
Speaker 4: New Zealanders to face this uncomfortable mix, but that to
Speaker 4: be able to endure in those conditions, you know, using
Speaker 4: your energy at the right times, I think is quite
Speaker 4: an important thing as you developed as a player, pushing
Speaker 4: yourself beyond the places where you've been and where you
Speaker 4: normally operate. You know, good cricketers make good decisions and
Speaker 4: there are times when the decision is sensible that I'm
Speaker 4: just going to play out a couple of overs, not
Speaker 4: run really sharp singles all the time. And I remember
Speaker 4: Turner telling me about that when he got those double
Speaker 4: hundreds against the West End. He's a couple of timers
Speaker 4: and test matches there where he spent just time at
Speaker 4: the crease, savoring and just looking after himself for maybe
Speaker 4: five overs.
Speaker 3: Important little times. I think that you have to do that.
Speaker 4: So that's an important again, All these little things wadds
Speaker 4: that we're talking about help you to become a better player.
Speaker 4: And they've got enough runs, haven't They just have just
Speaker 4: got enough runs to to get a two to one
Speaker 4: result in the the Eyes and now to lead this match.
Speaker 4: And there have been been little responses from Foxcroft and
Speaker 4: Hay and Kelly in this match. And Carter's got a
Speaker 4: few Phillips got a few in the Odie Eyes. So
Speaker 4: there's been just enough throughout to keep them in games.
Speaker 4: They're having to fight all the time.
Speaker 2: Yep, they're certainly having to fight to the start of
Speaker 2: the final game in duk Aren. We'll keep a check
Speaker 2: on that and next week have a chat about the
Speaker 2: successes of the Tower. What was the hottest you played
Speaker 2: cricket and it was against the West Indies, Ghana Holding
Speaker 2: Marshall and everybody else. I mean they carried a bit
Speaker 2: of heat, didn't they.
Speaker 4: Different type of heat, was different type of heat that
Speaker 4: it was, Yes, it was certainly the sun was beaming
Speaker 4: down as well, but yeah, I think probably Sri Lanka
Speaker 4: for the humidity. I remember Key, Oh yeah, I remember
Speaker 4: ke ends one day bowling a relatively long spell and
Speaker 4: having to shine the ball on his socks because they
Speaker 4: were the driest part of his clothing that he had.
Speaker 3: I remember.
Speaker 4: The doc Doc Edmund's coming out and he used to
Speaker 4: come out at drinks with this huge picture of just
Speaker 4: water and it was It wasn't for us, it was
Speaker 4: for John Wright, John Right, and the covers just stood
Speaker 4: there and said, okay, Doc up ended.
Speaker 3: And he did up ended it completely.
Speaker 4: Over John Right, and you could hear him squelching round
Speaker 4: and extra cover for about the next four overs before
Speaker 4: his shoes were dry.
Speaker 3: It was right.
Speaker 2: He loved throwing water over people too, didn't he.
Speaker 3: Oh he did. And yeah, you're quite right. We're not
Speaker 3: going to go into those stories.
Speaker 2: I remember, I've told the story I copped the full bucket.
Speaker 4: Yeah, water botber down as you going out to the
Speaker 4: bus to lead for the ground, having a nice little
Speaker 4: warm shower, that's suddenly a buck of the cold water
Speaker 4: all over you are lots of people, lots of people chased, righty.
Speaker 2: Oh, yes, I think there are a lot of people
Speaker 2: that had to get one back, so to speak.
Speaker 3: We might talk to about it.
Speaker 2: If we can track him down and he's home from India,
Speaker 2: we might talk to him about it. At some stage.
Speaker 2: We've searched for Writy, haven't we, But he always seems
Speaker 2: to be away from our grasp.
Speaker 3: But we'll get him.
Speaker 2: We'll get him about that.
Speaker 1: Brian Waddle, Jeremy Coney on the front foot talk.
Speaker 2: About Test cricket. Jerry, we've got a Test men now.
Speaker 2: I still can't work it out. The Test match against
Speaker 2: them Babwe with England is actually a four day game
Speaker 2: and I found that it was. Yeah, Lawrence Booth mentioned
Speaker 2: that and I sort of thought, well, that's a bit's strange.
Speaker 2: But it is four days and I've read where England
Speaker 2: are paying Zimbabwe to play there, so they obviously need
Speaker 2: the warm up match before they have their upcoming series
Speaker 2: and they've got quite a big year. But prior to
Speaker 2: the series, Brendan McCullum, and the head coach of the side,
Speaker 2: is called on England to improve their humility as they
Speaker 2: begin a year that will define his spell in charge.
Speaker 2: McCollum has said, it's not just about what you do
Speaker 2: on the cricket field. It's how you carry yourself. It's
Speaker 2: how you interact with the public. It's the messaging that
Speaker 2: you give. But one of their problems, of course, that
Speaker 2: they've been told off for playing golf and putting too
Speaker 2: much time into golf and putting their golf clubs first
Speaker 2: on the carousel when they get on an airplane. But
Speaker 2: I can't look out what actually means by humility to
Speaker 2: improve their humility. Have they seen as too arrogant? I
Speaker 2: thought arrogance was an important part of being a top
Speaker 2: level performer.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but not off the field. Ones, That's what he's saying.
Speaker 4: You can certainly back yourself when you're in the game
Speaker 4: and out there once you step over the white line.
Speaker 3: But once.
Speaker 4: Once you actually speak in the media in particular, is
Speaker 4: what he's talking about, isn't he. And he's saying, look,
Speaker 4: just carry yourselves a bit more carefully, guys. And there
Speaker 4: is a difference between listening to us talk and the
Speaker 4: changing room and when you're out speaking with the microphone,
Speaker 4: you know, thrust at your face. So I think there
Speaker 4: has been a bit of a bit of complaint about
Speaker 4: the way that they do speak, and I think he's
Speaker 4: probably agreed with that and has spoken to his team
Speaker 4: about it. I think the other thing about it is
Speaker 4: they're starting to what have they had since they've had
Speaker 4: twenty five tests? I think it is they won thirteen
Speaker 4: and lost eleven, so one drawn maybe for rain I
Speaker 4: don't know, but you know, as you just said that,
Speaker 4: it puts them sort of in that middle ground.
Speaker 3: How they're second.
Speaker 4: I got quite surprised when I saw they are now
Speaker 4: ranked second.
Speaker 3: Doesn't seem quite right to me.
Speaker 4: But this year I think England are about winning and
Speaker 4: losing test matches more than it has been in the past,
Speaker 4: more than when the arrival of McCullum, and certainly over
Speaker 4: I think this year the method that he's espoused and
Speaker 4: spoken about in the process that he's forging which has
Speaker 4: dominated their game. It's about winning and losing matches and
Speaker 4: they'll be looking very much to I would have thought
Speaker 4: trying bullies them. They're playing at Trent Bridge, as you know,
Speaker 4: four days, very good pitch, usually dry, good carry lightning,
Speaker 4: fast across the ground, very short boundary to one side
Speaker 4: the Bridgeford road side. The weather's been really good in
Speaker 4: the UK, but I believe there's a wee bit of
Speaker 4: rain this weekend, so we'll keep an eye on that.
Speaker 4: But look, they could bully Zimbabwe maybe with the bat
Speaker 4: because it's such a fast scoring ground and I think
Speaker 4: maybe Atkinson, Josh Tungue, Sam Cook maybe they might be
Speaker 4: a bit accurate.
Speaker 3: We'll wait and see.
Speaker 4: Strange things can happen and cricket, can't they And it's
Speaker 4: been what twenty oddeas?
Speaker 3: Would it be twenty years since they've played each other.
Speaker 2: Yeah, about twenty two, I think something like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, twenty two, that's right.
Speaker 4: I was there they're at Chester the Street two thousand
Speaker 4: and three and watched that game. And they have had,
Speaker 4: of course a self imposed exile for five or six years,
Speaker 4: and then they've had the bit with with mcgarby.
Speaker 3: Of course that kept a lot of sides away.
Speaker 4: They've got eleven tests this year wards you said they
Speaker 4: had a few games. Eleven tests, How that would be
Speaker 4: the most they've ever had.
Speaker 3: I would think in a season.
Speaker 2: It's it's good for them though, isn't it. That's the
Speaker 2: way they're fantastic, you know. And they've got this guy
Speaker 2: who's the leading Test. We could take it this.
Speaker 3: Year, Blessed Mother of Barney.
Speaker 2: That's the guy. Haven't he got twenty six? I'll beat
Speaker 2: you to it, but that's not twenty six wickets? Probably
Speaker 2: young guy.
Speaker 3: I think he's Oh he's six foot eight.
Speaker 4: And it's it's his third lot of six wickets he
Speaker 4: got against when they won at Silette against Bangladesh recently
Speaker 4: and that sent the I p L. They came calling
Speaker 4: Andy Flower as the coach of the IPL.
Speaker 3: Of course where's he from? And so.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's his third loss, third a lot
Speaker 4: of Tests, six wickets, But you know he's done very well. Indeed,
Speaker 4: they've got they've got got another couple of guys. They're batsmen.
Speaker 4: We know more wads, don't we. Secundar Raza now.
Speaker 3: He is he there?
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's at the PCL A little he's been at
Speaker 4: the PCL, but I think he's on the tour. They've
Speaker 4: got Ben Curran is a name that you and I
Speaker 4: would know. Tom and Sam are his brothers. Remember Kevin
Speaker 4: was the dad played at Northampton's and also played for
Speaker 4: Zimbabwe in the eighties. Craig Irvine, we know Sean Williams,
Speaker 4: we know they're the batsmen. I don't know quite so
Speaker 4: many of the bowlers, I'd have to say, but look
Speaker 4: see how they go. See if they can hang in
Speaker 4: there and not get well behind too early on in
Speaker 4: the match.
Speaker 2: YEP. That's going to be the interesting defeature for them
Speaker 2: because they have got an opportunity. They'll be up against
Speaker 2: a fairly powerful batting lineup in England. I think they've
Speaker 2: picked the predictable batting lineup. There's probably Jacob Bethel who's
Speaker 2: likely to come in and this guy Roue who seems
Speaker 2: to be making waves in terms of scoring runs, who
Speaker 2: could come into consideration. But you won't see them change
Speaker 2: their batting lineup too much England. But they'll preserve their
Speaker 2: bowlers pretty well, I would imagine.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the bowling lineup is Atkinson. They picked the side,
Speaker 4: haven't they. Atkinson, Josh Tungue who played against the Aussies.
Speaker 4: He's the quickest around in the county circuit. Sam Cooker
Speaker 4: is the guy that less not in terms of speed,
Speaker 4: zippy not high pace, but he's at the stumps. He
Speaker 4: nips it, he swings it. He's got more than three
Speaker 4: hundred first class wickets, probably the most in the last
Speaker 4: five years of anybody in county cricket. And so those
Speaker 4: are the three seemers and then Shah Basher they're sticking
Speaker 4: with as well. So it's interesting. It's an interesting side on,
Speaker 4: isn't it having Crawley there? Having Pope with a Hope?
Speaker 4: I'm not sure, you know, is he a keeper? Is
Speaker 4: he a number three? Is he a utility player who
Speaker 4: bats six as he did in New Zealand?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the question. Is he a number three? I
Speaker 2: think he's a he's a Test match quality player, but
Speaker 2: is it necessarily at number three? I mean I see him, well,
Speaker 2: he's done reasonably well in that role, hasn't he. But
Speaker 2: I see him as a sort of a four or
Speaker 2: five stroke maker rather than a number three. But who
Speaker 2: is there number three in England? You know they're still
Speaker 2: struggling with Crawley, aren't they yet? There are a lot
Speaker 2: of openers in England county cricket scoring good runs but
Speaker 2: can't be seen. Got a double century the other week,
Speaker 2: but you know twenty eight, he's not seen as sort
Speaker 2: of material for the England side.
Speaker 4: Now, yeah, well that's the whole question, isn't it have
Speaker 4: this selection group they have they looked at performance or
Speaker 4: do they look at talent and attributes? Those are the questions.
Speaker 4: I think we know the answer that they've tended to
Speaker 4: look at the second group rather than the first. But
Speaker 4: now they seem to be softening a bit on that.
Speaker 4: When you look at someone like Sam Cook who's got
Speaker 4: all the wickets and got all the results and the performances,
Speaker 4: now he comes into the side.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a case of having to play yourself out
Speaker 2: of the England so I'd rather than play yourself in,
Speaker 2: isn't it?
Speaker 3: Yep? Totally totally.
Speaker 4: So that'll be an interesting I mean that whole year,
Speaker 4: This whole year is going to be very interesting watching
Speaker 4: this England.
Speaker 2: Side most definitely, and it's going to be interesting in
Speaker 2: Test cricket watching the West Indies who have just been
Speaker 2: beaten by Ireland in a short form game and they're
Speaker 2: starting to rearrange themselves. They've rearranged the captaincy of the
Speaker 2: West Indies side a guy called Ross and Chase you
Speaker 2: we've seen out here. He's been appointed captain. He hasn't
Speaker 2: played a match in the Test format for more than
Speaker 2: two years, and he replaces Craig Breathway, he stepped down
Speaker 2: from the result from the who stepped down from the
Speaker 2: position and is no longer wanting to be captain. I
Speaker 2: think the other contenders with the keeper Joshua to silver
Speaker 2: fellow called John Campbell who's served suspension in the West
Speaker 2: Indies game recently, and the baller Jamel Warrick. The interesting
Speaker 2: thing for me, Jerry, and as a former New Zealand captain,
Speaker 2: I do understand your belief in the reasoning behind the appointment.
Speaker 2: The Cricket West Indies released and each candidate went through
Speaker 2: a detailed assessment process that included psychometric testing to evaluate
Speaker 2: leadership style, behavior and overall suitability for the role, as
Speaker 2: well as structured interviews focused on technical approach, communication skills
Speaker 2: and team culture. Jesus, if you pass that test, you
Speaker 2: deserve to be captain.
Speaker 4: I just thought, I just thought it was more that
Speaker 4: they watched you while while you were playing, and the
Speaker 4: decisions you kind of made and the fields that you
Speaker 4: set and how long each bowler got a bowl, you know,
Speaker 4: and decisions off the field too. Goodness, gracious me, I
Speaker 4: wouldn't have can you be half? The New Zealand captains
Speaker 4: wouldn't have made it with that sort of those sort
Speaker 4: of questions for him, and say can you see can
Speaker 4: you see Jeff Howith making that? Goodness? And he was
Speaker 4: our most successful captain, he and Fleming? Can you see
Speaker 4: them sitting down doing a psychometric test.
Speaker 2: That I can't work? Well, what is a psychometric test?
Speaker 4: Well, that's well, it's metric whatever it does, it's not imperial.
Speaker 4: You don't do a psycho imperial test.
Speaker 2: Did I say, did you pass the psychometric testing?
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 4: I had nothing to do with any of that. And
Speaker 4: thankfully that wasn't the way that that that they picked
Speaker 4: picked captains. Then in those days there was general surprise,
Speaker 4: I would have to say, around around most people and
Speaker 4: the cricketing circles. But no, no, none of that, No
Speaker 4: no interviews. Of course, Taylor and McCullum had to go
Speaker 4: through a presidential interview process, didn't They were They were
Speaker 4: both some of there to speak to a panel of people.
Speaker 4: But that's the only time and and look at the
Speaker 4: trouble that caused, you know, so yeah, I don't know
Speaker 4: it's a good thing. But Royce hasn't played for the
Speaker 4: last two years a Test match.
Speaker 2: They be watching cricketer. Well, he's obviously got on the
Speaker 2: right side of the selectors because I think he might
Speaker 2: be from Barbados. I'm not too sure where he calls home,
Speaker 2: and it's it's just just an interesting selection point of
Speaker 2: view because they've been struggling and we haven't got much
Speaker 2: time to talk about it this week. But I mean,
Speaker 2: when you're picking your captain, don't you leave it to
Speaker 2: the coach. Wouldn't you coach want to be working closely
Speaker 2: with the captain and New Zealand Cricket have got to
Speaker 2: look at their coaching setup because there's due to be
Speaker 2: one appointed. Well, Tom Latham is the New Zealand captain
Speaker 2: at the moment. If that changes, wouldn't the coach or
Speaker 2: the high performance director or Gary Stead whatever role he has.
Speaker 2: I sort of see him taking over the bright astronic role.
Speaker 2: We don't know, but they are interesting features that we
Speaker 2: can look forward to when it comes to what happens
Speaker 2: to the New Zealand side.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and presumably wadds they will take. They'll pick the contracts,
Speaker 4: won't they Prior to that and prior to that July part.
Speaker 2: Don't they have to pick the contract, put the contract
Speaker 2: players out after they've got a new coach or you
Speaker 2: know to me, oh, yes, they do scenario, but they've
Speaker 2: got to do it shortly because in July they're going
Speaker 2: to test mentioned zimbabwee.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, that's right.
Speaker 4: So certainly the coach will have to be named prior
Speaker 4: to that so that he's there for that contract process.
Speaker 3: Yes, And I guess Mike Sandal.
Speaker 4: Will be there, will he He's I've seen him at
Speaker 4: a few of the of the games as well.
Speaker 2: He's the executive director and hands out the boarding passes,
Speaker 2: doesn't he does?
Speaker 4: And yeah, I guess someone from they'll have someone from
Speaker 4: the board there, won't they will.
Speaker 3: They have.
Speaker 2: Probably Dian Nash or Roger Two's on the board cricket.
Speaker 3: They'll have former cricketers who are on the boards.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, that'll be investigating, all right. I'll do
Speaker 2: some investigating during the week, Jerry. If you can just
Speaker 2: put your feed up, take it easy, have a nice
Speaker 2: gentle Chartie. I know I mentioned that, but I know
Speaker 2: you love you. Chardi's from down there. And I will
Speaker 2: develop a psychometric test for you.
Speaker 4: Am I capable of drinking this extra glass tonight? Argument?
Speaker 4: That's quite true, self true, self control and discipline always always.
Speaker 2: Well, you'll be right, I'm sure, because we'll talk about that,
Speaker 2: we'll talk about the Test match and other things. Is
Speaker 2: plenty going on in the cricket world. Some of it
Speaker 2: is still very hard to untangle from the administrative mesh
Speaker 2: that it's got caught up in, but we'll do our
Speaker 2: best to cover it. You take an eat, you look
Speaker 2: out for the body.
Speaker 3: We'll do what good to chat. Take careful summer.
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