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Speaker 1: On the huddle. By the way, twenty away from six,

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Speaker 1: we have Tim Wilson, Maximum Institute in Craig Renny, Labor

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Speaker 1: candidate for Wellington Bays. One step Craig towards becoming a

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Speaker 1: future finance minister. How are you feeling?

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: It's fantastic to be nominated. It's fantastic to have the

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Speaker 3: news out there, and I'm looking forward to being nothing

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Speaker 3: other than the candidate for Labor for Wellington Bays and

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Speaker 3: to be a fantastic representative of the wonderful people of Wellington.

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Speaker 1: Listen to you. This is what you said to us

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Speaker 1: two weeks ago.

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Speaker 3: You may have announced my candidacy, but I'm not doing

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Speaker 3: it on this show now.

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Speaker 1: And I hear Tim Wilson chortling in the background of

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Speaker 1: that clip. Craig, can we just have it? Can you

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Speaker 1: just know as a future labor finance minister that the

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Speaker 1: things that you hear on this show are just so

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Speaker 1: bloody bang on.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I didn't known my candidacy on your show, but

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Speaker 3: yes you may have, yes, but at the.

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Speaker 2: Time it wasn't real because I was only selected last week.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, where are you where? We could see it, We

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Speaker 1: could feel it in our waters.

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Speaker 4: Tim, it's in the way you speak, the disposition, the

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Speaker 4: way you hold yourself, and Craig, I've been working on

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Speaker 4: a few slogans for you. So just how about this,

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Speaker 4: Craig Rennie from the CTU, just to help out you.

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Speaker 2: Oh dear me, you're not going to.

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Speaker 4: Go with that.

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Speaker 3: I'll keep it under advice.

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Speaker 1: Brilliant. I love it all.

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Speaker 3: Craig.

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Speaker 1: Congratulations mate, you did.

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Speaker 4: Congratulations for all the ribbons.

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Speaker 1: We did say we had to get you on just

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Speaker 1: to bully you a little bit. We've done that. Now

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Speaker 1: now we can talk about regional councils. Tim, how good

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Speaker 1: is the news regional councils are going to get the ax?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, Look it's I think I think politically it's

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Speaker 4: it's going to resonate well, as your texters have already said.

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Speaker 4: Does this help national Absolutely it does. You know, you

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Speaker 4: never lose if you're going to say local bodies aren't

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Speaker 4: up to scratch. But it was was actually confusing. There

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Speaker 4: was the local level and then the regional level. So

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Speaker 4: clariaification or at least wiping out that middle layer, I

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Speaker 4: think it's going to be helpful. I do want to

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Speaker 4: think there are arguments for a regional bodies, say special

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Speaker 4: purpose organizations like public transport and Wellington Actually wait a minute, Craig,

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Speaker 4: that could be something for you to campaign on, but

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Speaker 4: you know that crosses a few jurisdictions and you'd want

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Speaker 4: a regional organization for.

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Speaker 1: That, Craig. I mean this is obviously in your part

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Speaker 1: of the world. This is going to spark amalgamation, isn't it,

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Speaker 1: Because the Wellington Regional Council does things like transport public transport,

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Speaker 1: and if you don't have them sitting there doing public transport,

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Speaker 1: which is massive, it's just going to make you guys

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Speaker 1: think much harder about joining the councils together, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: I think you're right.

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Speaker 3: I think the challenge is that it leaves a bunch

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Speaker 3: of potentially massy outcomes in terms of transport, water, infrastructure,

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Speaker 2: In the UK, I used to work for the.

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Speaker 3: Grandly titled Association of Northeastern Councils, which essentially is what

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Speaker 3: the Government is proposing today, where you have each local

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Speaker 3: was was that nothing really happened because what you got

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Speaker 3: my question is is anything actually really going to change

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Speaker 1: Because well, the services were still being.

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Speaker 2: Delivered, yes, and years services will still be needed.

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Speaker 1: It's at the planning stage, isn't it. So this is

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Speaker 1: what we need to see. This is part of a

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Speaker 1: bigger RM reform, And the bigger RM reform, Craig is

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Speaker 1: it's the planning stuff that they do that takes tens

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Speaker 1: where we make the savings, really, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: I think absolutely Anything that preventes greater certainty in planning

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Speaker 3: in sort of in resource management would be hugely welcomed.

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Speaker 3: But the big cost drivers in regional council services are water,

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Speaker 2: Of those bits of infrastructure are actually going to be

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, we'll take a break and come back

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Speaker 1: to you guys shortly. That's the huddle. Back on the huddle,

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Speaker 1: we have Tim Wilson and Craig Grinnie to me, you

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Speaker 1: worried about the grade inflation where the universities are giving

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know, we should stop calling it great inflation.

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Speaker 4: We should call it greate erosion because that's exactly what

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Speaker 4: we at Maxim Inster Street, we do a leadership academy

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Speaker 4: and we do it over summer. It's twelve weeks and

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Speaker 4: we often here and these are these young people who

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Speaker 4: I did in four years at varsity. So there's a

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Speaker 4: bigger issue here, no question.

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Speaker 1: What do you think, Craig, I think it's a real

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Speaker 3: I mean, the report suggested something that's been happening internationally.

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Speaker 3: If I got to twenty twenty four, it was seventy

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Speaker 3: three percent of grades. So it is something too worried about,

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Speaker 3: and it is something we obviously clearly to keep in

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Speaker 2: Then it is perhaps obviouselyas what.

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Speaker 1: Do you do tim as a parent, right, or even

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Speaker 1: as a young person who really is like really properly

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Speaker 1: go off to some ellege? Is that your only option

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Speaker 4: Because he seemed to think there was there were universities

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Speaker 4: that people will know about that. I don't know about that,

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Speaker 4: universities will take. Guess what if you don't we actually

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Speaker 4: appearance would go. Oh, actually failure is quite productive.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so too, Now, Craig, I mean I

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Speaker 1: rate Wayne Brown.

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Speaker 2: When when is a political character?

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Speaker 3: He is a man who is very successfully taken over

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Speaker 2: The sixth dam of Government on the Upper North aliand

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Speaker 3: And that's my main dealing I've ever had, and so

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Speaker 3: that's that's the best knowledge I have of him.

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Speaker 1: To do you reckon as as as now an aspiring

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Speaker 1: Do you reckon? You could you know, use a few

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Speaker 3: Well, one of the things I wouldn't one of the

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure that's necessarily turning the temperature down or

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Speaker 3: helping with the you know the niceties of diplomatic debate

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Speaker 3: not take that from him, but he's clear speaking in elsewhere,

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Speaker 1: I would yeah. I mean, I don't know if you

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Speaker 4: Oh, absolutely, And you know what was the margin of

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Speaker 4: his elk over one hundred thousand he won by What's clear.

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Speaker 4: What's clear is that this is the this is the

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Speaker 4: end of focus group politics. We ran this through the

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Speaker 4: focus group, and we think you should message this way

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Speaker 4: now people. And the word you used for was authenticity.

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Speaker 4: Now my question though the Wayne Browns. You know, if

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Speaker 4: you're saying, oh, Laxan and Hipkins are like me, is

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Speaker 4: that really message for you? I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Well, no, he was. You know, what he was trying

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Speaker 1: I think it would help. Now, Okay, Craig, have you

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Speaker 1: got I mean, you're an economist, you'll be fully into

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Speaker 1: the Black Friday ideas. What have you managed to secure?

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Speaker 3: I haven't secured anything. I've been so busy recently, have

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Speaker 3: done literally zero Christmas shopping, which is not great news

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Speaker 3: for my family, especially seeing as most of them live

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Speaker 1: What why do you not have the indiet on your phone?

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Speaker 3: I do have the Internet on my phone, but I

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Speaker 3: like to figure saying this. I'm a big fan of

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Speaker 3: ninja shopping. I get, I go out to the shop,

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Speaker 3: I get what you need and I leave.

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Speaker 4: It's bloke shopping, Craig, the little bloke shopping. I just

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Speaker 4: go for one thing, and we're not going to mack

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Speaker 3: Exactly ninja shopping in out. Nobody noticed. It's all done.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean obvious, but you did pay. I just

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Speaker 1: need to clarify that, Tim, did you you're doing the

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Speaker 1: ninja shopping? You're doing any of the online shopping for

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Speaker 1: the Black Friday?

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Speaker 4: Okay? So zeru berzerkos it's the nerth gun you have

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Speaker 4: when you're not having an earth gun. You can shoot

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Speaker 4: twenty seven meters away eight darts and seconds even more

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Speaker 4: if you use some more rounds and it's about half price,

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Speaker 4: insane amounts of darts. That's what the kids are going

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Speaker 1: You are the father of four boys, aren't you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, I'm standing. I'm standing in neurth gun bullets

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Speaker 4: as I speak. I think that the nerth gun bullets

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Speaker 4: are rising above my throtes. I think you're losing touch't

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Speaker 4: I can't hear you?

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Speaker 1: All right? Off you go, you Sue, Thanks very much,

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Speaker 1: appreciate it. Tim Wilson, maximums toute Craig Renny, Labor candidate

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Speaker 1: for Wellington Bays.

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