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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather

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Speaker 1: Duplicy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand to coverage like

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Speaker 1: no one else.

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Speaker 2: News Talks Heavy.

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Speaker 3: Afternoon.

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Speaker 4: Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 3: Coming up today, Paul Goldsmith's Justice Minister on whether the

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Speaker 3: government is really looking at banning homeless from city centers.

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Speaker 3: Unemployment has gone up to five point three percent. We'll

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Speaker 3: have a chat to Informetrics about that. And then Simon Watts,

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Speaker 3: the Climate Change Minister, on whether he was trying to

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Speaker 3: hide those changes he made last night.

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Speaker 2: Heather duper cy la, but so many of us.

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Speaker 3: Have been around long enough to know how this debate

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Speaker 3: about moving on homeless in cities is going to go,

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Speaker 3: which is that if the government does do it, it's

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Speaker 3: not going to be thanked for doing it. It's going

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Speaker 3: to be criticized for being heartless, for dumping the problem

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Speaker 3: somewhere else, for not providing enough wrap around support, for

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Speaker 3: not dealing with the complicated upstream issues that create the

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Speaker 3: personal traumas that lead to hamlessness, for trampling human rights.

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Speaker 3: Whatever you've heard it all before, it's going to happen

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Speaker 3: all over again. And look, some of it is fair

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Speaker 3: I mean, it is a fair criticism that moving these

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Speaker 3: people on doesn't solve the problem. They have to go somewhere,

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Speaker 3: and unless they're going to go into a shelter or

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Speaker 3: any shelter and want to stay in that shelter, then

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Speaker 3: authorities will only be moving the problem somewhere else, from

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Speaker 3: the city center to the suburb or whatever. But having

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Speaker 3: said that, this has got to happen, I mean, come on,

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Speaker 3: rough sleepers cannot be allowed to crowd out our CBDs

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Speaker 3: like they are. That is not a consequence free decision.

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Speaker 3: You take a look at that Heart of the City

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Speaker 3: survey of retailers in Auckland's Queen Street last month, ninety

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Speaker 3: one percent ninety one percent of businesses said rough sleepers

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Speaker 3: and begging were affecting their business. If you leave homeless

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Speaker 3: to sleep in doorways and in bus shelters, you are

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Speaker 3: choosing them over the retailers that they are affecting. And

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Speaker 3: I would say that that is the wrong choice to make,

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Speaker 3: because those retailers are trying to do the right thing

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Speaker 3: right they're trying to apply a trade, trying to pay

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Speaker 3: their taxes, and unlike the rough sleepers, they cannot simply

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Speaker 3: upsticks and move their shop to the next street. They

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Speaker 3: are the permanent ones. There was a time before COVID

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Speaker 3: when there weren't this many rough sleepers in our city centers.

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Speaker 3: We have to, for the sake of these businesses and

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Speaker 3: just for our cities, try to get back to that.

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Speaker 3: And if that requires the government making it possible to

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Speaker 3: move the homeless along, then they should be applauded and

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Speaker 3: not criticized for that.

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Speaker 2: Heather Duplessy Ellen.

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Speaker 3: Nine two niness. Who's the text number? Standard text fees

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Speaker 3: apply now. The government wants eden Park to be able

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Speaker 3: to host twenty more medium sized concerts on top of

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Speaker 3: the twelve large events that they already have. It's also

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Speaker 3: recommending more timing flexibility for events. Auckland Council will have

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Speaker 3: twenty days to respond to this proposal from the government,

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Speaker 3: but rm A Minister Christmas Ship says he wants to

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Speaker 3: make these changes before the end of the year.

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Speaker 5: Well, I have done by Christmas, so council's got twenty

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Speaker 5: working days to respond and then there's a bit of

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Speaker 5: a cabinet process to go through after that, but that's

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Speaker 5: a matter of weeks.

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Speaker 3: Nick Saughtnet is Eden Park's chief executive and with us Hallonick.

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Speaker 6: Good afternoon, Thanks for your time.

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Speaker 3: Is this what you want?

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Speaker 6: Well, isn't it a beautiful day in Auckland And this

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Speaker 6: is a very pleasing outcome that the government and has

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Speaker 6: proactively undertaken this investigation. We all know the impact these

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Speaker 6: rules are having on our ability to operate and the

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Speaker 6: potential impact that it's having on economic benefit for the city.

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Speaker 3: And are they going to get any pushback do you

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Speaker 6: Well, we've gone out proactively to the residents already. We've

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Speaker 6: engaged with the Hood, the Residents Association. We want to

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Speaker 6: hear their views. But we're not surprised that the positivity

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Speaker 6: that has been received is consistent with the feedback we've

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Speaker 3: What's the urgency? Is there something that you want to

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Speaker 3: host at the starter next year?

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Speaker 6: There's a variety of events that are impacted by our regulations.

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Speaker 6: Last Sunday night we had to apply to Auckland Council

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Speaker 6: at a cost of fifteen thousand dollars to get an

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Speaker 6: I don't think there's a person that wouldn't acknowledge that

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Speaker 6: was one of the most memorable sporting events that we've

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Speaker 6: a cost, but it's also a barrier, and we want

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Speaker 6: flexibility enabled to go out proactively to promoters both in

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Speaker 3: Do you reckon that you could even fill this up

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Speaker 3: twelve big events and twenty smaller events.

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Speaker 6: This is where we look at it and say we're

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Speaker 6: looking at opportunities. It might be five thousand people that

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Speaker 6: consent for six artists up to twelve shows by hosting

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Speaker 6: that event, So we're passing on opportunities that otherwise would

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Speaker 6: be able to fill a calendar. We have over three

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Speaker 6: hundred and thirty vacant days here at the park. Yes,

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Speaker 6: we have a function business. I have a whole variety

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Speaker 6: of other activities, one thousand people a week on our

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Speaker 6: tour program. But what we need to see is people

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Speaker 6: coming to the park and investing both at the park

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Speaker 6: but also in the local businesses. I spoke to a

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Speaker 6: local business today. He said, one big event at eden

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Speaker 6: Park pays his rent for the month. That's the impact

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Speaker 6: that our major events have on the local area, but

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Speaker 6: also New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: Do we run the risk of actually having too many venues?

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Speaker 3: Because we were chatting last night to the guys who

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Speaker 3: as well. I mean, there is there enough? Is there

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Speaker 2: Are there?

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Speaker 3: Enough artists? Are there enough events to actually fill up

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Speaker 6: Well, I think part of the challenge is ensuring that

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Speaker 6: we compliment each other, so it's a scheduling peace. We

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Speaker 6: don't want to have concerts on the same night. I

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Speaker 6: can recall a couple of years back where there was

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Speaker 6: a concert on at eden Park and a sports event

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Speaker 6: at Mount Smart. Now that's seen the city work better

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Speaker 6: together and that's a focus for us. We want to

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Speaker 6: see a venue of best fitst strategy and what's best

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Speaker 6: that eden Park is a global brand that a number

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Speaker 6: of those guests attending that convention center will be looking

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Speaker 3: Nick, Now, you have been for the longest time trying

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Speaker 3: to convince me that you need a retractable roof, and

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Speaker 3: I've not been convinced. But I went to Marvel Stadium

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Speaker 6: Well, it's a venue that I know well. Their number

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Speaker 6: one revenue is actually the car park underneath right when

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Speaker 6: you look at correct, Well, it certainly was when I

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Speaker 6: work in the industry are traveling to Sydney for Oasis.

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Speaker 6: You earn money in New Zealand and you're spending it

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Speaker 6: to do is make sure that we're giving every opportunity

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Speaker 6: I'm delighted with the event fund. Unfortunately it's probably twelve

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Speaker 6: and we know the financial impact that likes of coldplay.

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Speaker 6: Sometimes they are six to eight years lead time. I

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Speaker 6: look at some of the sports content that we're talking about.

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Speaker 6: This is twenty seven, twenty eight and twenty nine that

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Speaker 3: Hey, listen, before I let you go, how are the

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Speaker 6: Because you've got the cricket on, well, we're hoping for

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Speaker 6: a big walk up. We've got strong corporate and membership.

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Speaker 6: Public is soft. The game starts at seven fifteen. If

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Speaker 6: you look out the window, surely coming to Eden Parks

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Speaker 6: night and seeing the Black Caps in action is a

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Speaker 6: So if you can't make it tonight, please make sure

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Speaker 6: you buy a ticket and support our national team absolutely.

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Speaker 3: What a day for the cracket. Hey, thank you. Nick

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Speaker 3: is always Nick scelt To, Eden Park's chief executive. I'm

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Speaker 3: to Knicksbox. I'm going to see Nick at the cracket.

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Speaker 3: I want to see you at the cracket. It's going

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Speaker 3: to be a good time tonight. Listen on Sport that

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Speaker 3: So obviously it was a yellow card. Went to the

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Speaker 7: Cannot wait to read Donald Trump's social media now that

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Speaker 7: We're feeling high because I've got this really odd concept

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Speaker 7: hundred and twenty five push ups a day. Extrapolate that

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Speaker 7: that's gotta be good for your muscles and your definition.

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Speaker 7: And so Heather drops down and she busted out twenties.

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Speaker 2: Really good.

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Speaker 7: But now you're gagging for breath.

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Speaker 3: Well, I haven't done twenty press ups in a long time,

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Speaker 3: so I've had a hit. I've got a head rush.

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Speaker 7: Wow, look at that, you know, snort.

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Speaker 3: I tell you what what we want. I'm not even

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Speaker 7: Well of me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if you're doing a thousand press ups, it's got

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Speaker 7: Well, I've got to work out my stomach exercise as well.

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Speaker 7: It's all very well having a good upper body, but

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Speaker 3: Which ask him for a shirtless photo starting.

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Speaker 7: I think people would much rather see him shirtless than

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Speaker 3: Okay, go on this, Venus Williams head, how good? What

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Speaker 8: But it's a it's a great call. It's a very

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Speaker 3: I know. Listen, have you read the BBC be a

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Speaker 7: Carrios playing what against a woman playing against?

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Speaker 8: What's SABOLINGA I don't know.

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Speaker 7: Is that damaging or is it fun?

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Speaker 3: Well let's find out and I read that next.

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Speaker 1: The name you trumped to get the answers you need,

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Speaker 1: it's Heather duplic Ellen Drive with one New Zealand coverage

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Speaker 3: They'd be coming up twenty five past four. So the

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Speaker 3: like what was it Billy Jenking? And what's his name?

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Speaker 3: know I think is quite nice. Actually apropos what I'm

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Speaker 3: about to tell you. So the piece is no Darcy

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Speaker 3: Moving on, So the headline of the BBC piece is

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Speaker 3: They could push it out to twenty twenty five. That's whatever, whatever, right,

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Speaker 2: What a surprise.

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Speaker 3: It's like they're ashamed of it. Anyway, they shouldn't be

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Speaker 3: talk to Simon Wat's, the Climate minister about that after

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Speaker 3: six o'clock, Heather. This is great news for Auckland. This

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Speaker 1: On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in

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Speaker 1: c Ellen drive with one New Zealand and the power

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Speaker 2: They'd be sorry that your.

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Speaker 12: Good taken.

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Speaker 3: You're no Heather. The carbon market has crashed twenty percent

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Speaker 3: with cheaper credits to keep amissing Minister of Climate change.

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Speaker 3: But in support of climate change maybe well, I don't

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Speaker 3: it's over. I would say, but yeah, the market it's

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Speaker 3: to him about that after six o'clock, just on this

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Speaker 3: talk to Paul Goldsmith about it when he's with us

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Speaker 2: It's the world wires on News Talks, Eddy Drive.

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Speaker 3: So it looks like Democratic socialist Zoran mam Dami is

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Speaker 3: CNN has called the election for him.

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Speaker 13: M'm darning's Vickory marketing an historic moment in the city.

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Speaker 13: At the age of thirty four, he will be the

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Speaker 3: Now he is currently projected to win fifty point three

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Speaker 3: And finally, I don't use tinder, so I didn't know,

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Speaker 3: and that's relevant because I'm about to talk to you

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Speaker 3: There it is again, Jonathan Kursley, US correspondent, Alo.

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Speaker 14: Jonathan, it's a match, Heather.

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Speaker 3: Hello, Hell are you very well? Thank you mate? So,

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Speaker 14: Yeah, Well that's the big question now, isn't it. Because

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Speaker 14: But essentially you've had the American President Donald Trump saying

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Speaker 14: he will massively slash federal funding to New York if indeed,

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Speaker 14: ma'am doan, he does win and it looks like he

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Speaker 14: is well and truly on track to winning this historic election.

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Speaker 14: As we heard Jake Tappertha Sann and that clipped before say,

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Speaker 14: the youngest New York City mayor in one hundred years,

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Speaker 14: the first Muslim mayor for New York City. And Donald

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Speaker 14: Trump in the past few moments has just given his

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Speaker 14: first reaction to this, saying, and all he's done is

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Speaker 14: quote polsters saying Trump wasn't on the ballot and the shutdown.

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Speaker 14: They're the two reasons the Republican lost his elections tonight.

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Speaker 14: So clearly he's blaming some of the losses not just

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Speaker 14: in New York but governor races in Virginia and New

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Speaker 14: Jersey on the government shutdown that has been going on

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Speaker 14: for well over thirty days now, and also blaming it

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Speaker 14: on a lack of presence of himself. But he certainly

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Speaker 14: inserted himself into the campaign in the last few days,

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Speaker 14: throwing his endorsement behind Andrew Cuomo.

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Speaker 2: That didn't work.

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Speaker 3: It really doesn't at all, did it. Do we know

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Speaker 3: what's caused this plane craft?

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Speaker 8: Yeah?

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Speaker 14: This is fascinating and horrific, incredibly sad details emerging in

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Speaker 14: the past few hours of this plane crash in Kentucky

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Speaker 14: at Louisville's Muhammad Ali International Airport. It was a cargo

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Speaker 14: plane that was carrying three people. It took off around

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Speaker 14: five to fourteen local time, and that there was a

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Speaker 14: fire you can see from the video in the engine

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Speaker 14: underneath the wing. It appears as though some debris has

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Speaker 14: fallen from that aircraft and then it has just plummeted

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Speaker 14: straight into an industrial site just adjacent to the airport itself.

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Speaker 14: The latest figures we had from authorities within the past

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Speaker 14: five minutes is that there are now seven people confirmed

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Speaker 14: dead in there were three on board. Obviously more people

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Speaker 14: had been injured on the ground. There had been reports

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Speaker 14: eleven people were injured on the ground, but seemingly some

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Speaker 14: of those have sadly now passed away. The fire that

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Speaker 14: had caused bird four hours. That is because there was

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Speaker 14: some one hundred and forty thousand liters of jet fuel

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Speaker 14: on board this plane. It was full with fuel. It

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Speaker 14: was bound for Honolulu, so it had a first stretch

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Speaker 14: to go that would have been a nine or ten

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Speaker 14: hour flight in itself, so it was loaded up with fuel.

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Speaker 14: But it's come down into this industrial site in Louisville

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Speaker 14: and Kentucky and caused death and devastation. And now you've

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Speaker 14: got the National Transportation Safety Board trying to get on

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Speaker 14: site to work out exactly how this managed to happen.

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Speaker 14: But clearly the fire under the wing and the debris

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Speaker 14: found on the tarmac is going to be very central

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Speaker 14: to what they're looking at. But just another deadly plane

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Speaker 14: crash in the United States this year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, hey, thank you very much. Do appreciate it. Jonathan,

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Speaker 3: look after yourself. Jonathan Kursley, US correspondent coming up nineteen

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Speaker 3: Well rub it as nineteen.

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Speaker 2: Away from five together for sel whither.

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Speaker 3: That sounders haunting? Thank god the search is over. Well, look,

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you've watched and just like that,

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Speaker 3: but I would say that you don't need to live

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Speaker 3: with a man. You could do a carry. Bradshaw just

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Speaker 3: saying here that it is demeaning to women because Nick

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Speaker 3: Carrios has only allowed one serve, which is actually true

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Speaker 3: from David if you go and read that, they're likely

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Speaker 3: to play this under modified rules to basically give the

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Speaker 3: girls a better chance here and apparently Nick Kurrios will

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Speaker 3: only about one's service. So look, let's be honest. If

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Speaker 3: the world number one loses to chunky old Nick Krrios,

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Speaker 3: who's out of foreman is only restricted to one service.

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Speaker 3: He still beats Sir Tis a little demeaning to us,

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Speaker 3: isn't it. We've got to take Alex now, BBC man,

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Speaker 3: this is they're in royal trouble over this bias thing,

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Speaker 3: because this bias thing has been brewing for such a

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Speaker 3: long time. And then, as I told you yesterday, the

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Speaker 3: internal dossier was leaked, which you know, really canvassed some

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Speaker 3: of the more outrageous things like just literally making up

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Speaker 3: things that Donald Trump said, which he hasn't said. The

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Speaker 3: new stuff that's been revealed today is that as basically

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Speaker 3: pertaining to the Gaza War, the BBC chose to minimize

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Speaker 3: Israeli suffering in the war in Gaza so it could

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Speaker 3: paint Israel as the aggressor. Allegations made against Israel were

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Speaker 3: raced to air without adequate checks. This is, according to

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Speaker 3: the memo, suggesting either carelessness on the part of the

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Speaker 3: BBC or a desire always to believe the worst about Israel. Now,

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Speaker 3: to be fair, this is the BBC Arabic service, which

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Speaker 3: is slightly has been treated slightly different from the main BBC.

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Speaker 3: But the main BBC also has its own problems. I

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Speaker 3: get to that in a minute. But on BBC Arabic,

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Speaker 3: some of the problems are a guy who said Jews

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Speaker 3: should be burned as Hitler did. He appeared as a

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Speaker 3: guest two hundred and forty four times in the space

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Speaker 3: of a year and a half. Another guy who'd described

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Speaker 3: Israeli's as less than human and Jews as devils appeared

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Speaker 3: five hundred and twenty two times in the same period.

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Speaker 3: The bb also didn't transgress quite as much as BBC Arabic,

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Speaker 3: but also gave unjustifiable weight to Hamas claims about the

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Speaker 3: death toll and gar which we all know were wid

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Speaker 3: wildly exaggerated for propaganda purposes, incorrectly claimed that the International

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Speaker 3: Court of Justice had ruled that genocide was taking place.

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Speaker 3: As a result of this, the leader of the opposition,

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Speaker 3: Kemmy Badenocke, is now calling for heads to roll at

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Speaker 3: the BBC. Are the things getting ahead of esteem? Gavin

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Speaker 3: Gray is going to be with us, our UK correspondent.

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Speaker 3: At about a quarter it to seven. Barisopa's next sixteen

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Speaker 3: away from five.

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Speaker 1: Politics was centrics credit, check your customers and get payments.

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Speaker 3: Surtaday thirteen away from five and Barriosoper, senior political correspondents

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Speaker 3: with US. Hello Barry, good afternoon, Heather. So, I didn't

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Speaker 3: realize that the Indian trade team were here.

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Speaker 8: Yes they are. They're in Auckland today and the Prime

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Speaker 8: Minister flew up this afternoon to have a talk with them.

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Speaker 8: Was the fourth round of these trade negotiations, and listening

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Speaker 8: to lux and talking about them, he said that yes,

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Speaker 8: he believes the trade deal will be in place before

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Speaker 8: the next election. Now, this is the most populous nation

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Speaker 8: on Earth, India, and of course we know the benefit

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Speaker 8: that we got out of negotiating a trade deal with

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Speaker 8: the Chinese. So the trade deal with India is very important.

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Speaker 8: So it was a pretty important place for the Prime

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Speaker 8: Minister to be today, missing Parliament's question time this afternoon,

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Speaker 8: even if Chris Hopkins had a problem with it.

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Speaker 15: So Lesters Speaker, I understand the Prime Minister is in

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Speaker 15: the building. He was on the tiles about five minutes ago,

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Speaker 15: answering media questions. So I seek leave for my question

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Speaker 15: to be held until he's available in the debating chamber

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Speaker 15: to answer it.

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Speaker 16: Well, that's an interesting reference you're making to a members

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Speaker 16: not being present, which is not appropriate.

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Speaker 2: How I've got to put the leaf, is any objection

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Speaker 2: that course of action.

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Speaker 15: To the Prime Minister? Does he stand by all of

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Speaker 15: his government statements and actions?

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Speaker 8: So he had to stay there to an to that

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Speaker 8: particular question, which is one of those silly questions that

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Speaker 8: is always asked in Parliament. But of course he talked

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Speaker 8: to the media before jumping on a plane, coming up

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Speaker 8: to Walkland and going to the trade talks with the Indians,

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Speaker 8: so I think that was pretty important.

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Speaker 3: So how long do we have to wait to find

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Speaker 3: out what this awesome question is?

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Speaker 8: Well, the answer to it.

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Speaker 3: I thought he was going to hold the question until

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Speaker 3: the Prime Minister was there.

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Speaker 8: Well, but the Parliament voted against it.

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Speaker 3: So oh, I see, okay, listen, the government is doing

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Speaker 3: something about the homeless, aren't they.

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Speaker 8: Well it's really interesting hither because Chris Bishop was being

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Speaker 8: asked about and in Parliament this afternoon. The government is

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Speaker 8: either testing the water or it is you know, it

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Speaker 8: is planning something, but they're playing.

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Speaker 2: It very carefully.

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Speaker 8: And now I don't know why. I think they should

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Speaker 8: be full on on this, but they can't just mow

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Speaker 8: people out of these.

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Speaker 3: It's always turned septic for authorities trying to do the

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Speaker 3: handring is coming out feeling bad about it.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, Well the questions were being fired over it by

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Speaker 8: Labour's Karen McNulty in Parliament today. Have a listen.

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Speaker 17: Why is the government working on legislation that would enable

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Speaker 17: the removal of rough sleepers from central business districts? The

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Speaker 17: Government isn't Why is the minister denying this? When Police

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Speaker 17: Minister Mark Mitchell confirmed on news talks there'd be this

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Speaker 17: morning that quote Paul Goldsmith and Justice are doing a

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Speaker 17: lot of work around that end quote, and that legislation

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Speaker 17: to move homeless people from CBDs to the suburbs was

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Speaker 17: quote fully supported by Caucus and the.

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Speaker 2: Prime Minister end quote.

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Speaker 5: The government is considering a range of different things in

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Speaker 5: relation to the CBD. The Government, as well as Auckland

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Speaker 5: Council is off the view that we can make the

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Speaker 5: CBD more desirable place for everyone to be than it currently.

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Speaker 2: Is a sublementary question. The Honorable Shane Jones and no

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Speaker 2: one else speaking.

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Speaker 16: Can you confirm it is not appropriate to use homelessness

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Speaker 16: as a moral cloak to hide drug taking, criminality and violence.

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Speaker 8: Well, he didn't have to answer that because the is

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Speaker 8: not actually responsible for that. But no, it is interesting.

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Speaker 8: There is a private member's bill in the biscuiton it's

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Speaker 8: National's Ryan Hamilton, who happens to be from Hamilton, and

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Speaker 8: it's there and it proposes to remove sleepers and that's

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Speaker 8: what the Prime Minister was referring to earlier, that you know,

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Speaker 8: to get them out off the streets. Well, not the

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Speaker 8: Prime Minister, sorry, Mark Mitchell's referring to this morning that

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Speaker 8: there was support for that bill and it's a private

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Speaker 8: members one in mark Biscuitton.

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Speaker 3: Why is Chris Bishop and Chris Luxem being so weird

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Speaker 3: and shady about it instead of taking the approach that

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Speaker 3: Mark Mitchell's taken, which is to just be mtch was very.

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Speaker 8: Open about it.

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Speaker 14: Why not do that?

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Speaker 8: And I think you'll find Paul Goldsmith will be the

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Speaker 8: same when you.

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Speaker 2: Talk to him later.

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Speaker 3: Okay. Now the Prince of Mining, well, as you say,

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Speaker 3: I quote you, the Prince of Mining was in full

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Speaker 3: flight today.

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Speaker 2: Yes he was.

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Speaker 8: He's a self declared Prince of Mining, Shane Jones. He

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Speaker 8: was certainly on form in Parliament this afternoon when he

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Speaker 8: was bragging about a thirty year mining permit being issued

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Speaker 8: for an Australian based sent to minerals firm. Here's the

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Speaker 8: Resources Minister in full flight.

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Speaker 16: We're entering a golden age, not that I can completely.

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Speaker 2: Claim all the credit.

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Speaker 16: On the West Coast of New Zealand, a sum of

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Speaker 16: one hundred and seventy two million dollars over the last

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Speaker 16: day of three has been announced to be dedicated to

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Speaker 16: the Federation Mine briefed and now known as the Angel

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Speaker 16: of Mine. Why do people on the other side of

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Speaker 16: the house hate investment? Why do they stand with frogs

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Speaker 16: and geckos and unnecessary critters. One hundred and seventy two

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Speaker 16: million is going directly into the economy of the West Coast,

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Speaker 16: and I fear that it'll be more busts they make

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Speaker 16: of my good self.

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Speaker 2: What will this announcement mean for the local economy?

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Speaker 16: A sir, modesty forbids that I claimed total credit. But

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Speaker 16: please think about the forlorn period of time that has

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Speaker 16: afflicted these parts of the South Island.

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Speaker 7: Do you think he enjoys me?

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Speaker 8: He loves it because he's being so contrary to the

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Speaker 8: opposition ventures and and don't forget this man used to

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Speaker 8: be a labor party.

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Speaker 3: All the things that you're not supposed to say. It

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Speaker 3: just makes the Greens dy inside. Thanks very much, appreciate it,

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Speaker 3: very sober. Senior political correspondence Coming up seven away from.

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Speaker 1: Five the Headlines and the hard Questions. It's the Mike

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Speaker 1: asking Breakfast.

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Speaker 18: It wasn't too long ago that some people were saying

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Speaker 18: five point five and I'll never forget that I read sex.

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Speaker 18: When did that materially change? And do we think five

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Speaker 18: two five three is about it?

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Speaker 19: Yeah?

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Speaker 9: I think it's been a bit of realization about the

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Speaker 9: effects of basically participation in the workforce has absorbed on

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Speaker 9: it and essentially it's really come to the younger people

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Speaker 9: in particular, so as they've been I guess first on

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Speaker 9: the chopping block as the economy slowed, a lot of

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Speaker 9: them have gone.

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Speaker 20: Back to school or stayed in school for longer.

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Speaker 9: So they're showing up in the ranks of not in

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Speaker 9: the workforce as opposed to actively unemployed and seeking work back.

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Speaker 18: Tomorrow at six am, The Mike Hosking Breakfast with Maybe's

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Speaker 18: Real Estate News Talk zb Um.

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Speaker 3: Heather, what was the name of the book that you

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Speaker 3: mentioned you were reading yesterday on the rise of anti Semitism?

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Speaker 3: Is it worth reading, Yes, Andrew actually is it's Douglas

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Speaker 3: Murray's book. I would recommend many things that I was

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Speaker 3: going to say all things. I haven't read everything Douglas

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Speaker 3: Murray's written, but Douglas Murray is a fantastic thinker, and

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Speaker 3: if you don't know who it is, he often writes

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Speaker 3: for the Telegraph. He's a conservative thinker who is from

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Speaker 3: the UK, lives in New York now, I think, and

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Speaker 3: just kind of lays out, you know a lot of

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Speaker 3: stuff that you see happening, but it's quite good to

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Speaker 3: see it all in one place. So the book is

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Speaker 3: called on Democracies and Death Cults, and he tries to

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Speaker 3: explain why it is that in Western cities like New

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Speaker 3: York and London on the seventh of seventh and eighth

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Speaker 3: of October twenty twenty three went out into places like

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Speaker 3: Times Square and celebrated the fact that Hamas was killing

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Speaker 3: Israelis as if that is a normal thing to do.

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Speaker 3: And he tries to explain why that happened and why

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Speaker 3: we tolerated it and didn't call it out anyway. I

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Speaker 3: do recommend it, but it is grim. So the first

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Speaker 3: night I read it, because you read before bed Obviously,

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Speaker 3: first night I read it, I had a nightmare. So

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Speaker 3: brace yourself, Brace yourself. Listen. New Zealand on air has

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Speaker 3: announced it's setting up a YouTube account and it's basically

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Speaker 3: doing this it's for kids for New Zealand Made Kids content,

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Speaker 3: because it turns out parents don't know where to find

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Speaker 3: New Zealand Made Kids content and kids spend huge numbers

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Speaker 3: of kids on YouTube. Two and three kids between the

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Speaker 3: ages of two and fourteen watching YouTube every day. So

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Speaker 3: they've decided they're just going to go to where the

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Speaker 3: kids are. They're going to be with us shortly. But

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Speaker 3: Paul Goldsmith is with us next on what the government

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Speaker 3: is actually doing to try to get on top of

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Speaker 3: this homelessness issue. News talks the'd Be.

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Speaker 2: Your Husband is coming.

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Speaker 1: The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,

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Speaker 1: get the answers, find a fact and give the analysis.

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Speaker 1: Here the duplicy el and drive with one New Zealand

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Speaker 1: and the power of satellite mobile News Talks.

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Speaker 3: There be good afternoon. The government seems to have confirmed

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Speaker 3: it is working on measures to deal with rough sleepers

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Speaker 3: in Auckland CBD yesterday. Chris Hopkins of the Labor Party

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Speaker 3: surprised the Prime Minister by asking about it in Parliament's

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Speaker 3: question time. The Prime Minister denied that cabinet had made

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Speaker 3: any decisions or had discussions about it, but ministers have

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Speaker 3: today admitted they are actually working on measures. Paul Goldsmith

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Speaker 3: is the Justice Minister.

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Speaker 12: Hi Paul, Hello, Hello, how are you well?

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Speaker 15: Thank you?

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Speaker 3: I mean, let's get Are you working on something or not?

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Speaker 21: Well?

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 12: The issue, of course is blindingly obvious to anybody who

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Speaker 12: goes into Central Auckland is that we still have a

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Speaker 12: problem with general anti social behavior, and that's a real

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Speaker 12: concern to retailers, it's real concern to people who'd live

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Speaker 12: in the CBD, and also a concern for people who

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Speaker 12: want to come in and feel safe, which is a

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Speaker 12: basic expectation. We've got high hopes for Auckland. Next year

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Speaker 12: is going to be great year c RL. We want

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Speaker 12: the place to be humming and looking good.

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Speaker 14: And so.

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Speaker 12: There's a whole range of issues that we're dealing with,

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Speaker 12: and so on the housing front and homeless front, my

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Speaker 12: colleagues mister Bishop and mister Portucker a working very hard

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Speaker 12: in that area. I'm coming at it from the justice

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Speaker 12: point of view and my focus is on anti social

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Speaker 12: behavior in particular, and there's been some many proposals put

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Speaker 12: forward by the Retail Advisory Group, some of them around

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Speaker 12: move on orders, and that's something we're considering. We haven't

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Speaker 12: made decisions yet, but that's something we're considering.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So you are considering move on orders. Are you

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Speaker 3: considering a homeless a rough sleeping ban in the city center?

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Speaker 12: Not directly that I'm aware of. What we're looking at

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Speaker 12: is that the question of being able to deal with

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Speaker 12: people who are it's behaviors that we're looking at rather

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Speaker 12: than the particular people, behaviors that are not approvate and

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Speaker 12: giving the police extra powers to move people on.

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Speaker 3: So if you're not considering a ban, are they going

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Speaker 3: to be allowed to keep sleeping in the city center?

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Speaker 12: Well, well, that is something that we're still making decisions

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Speaker 12: on and we're working our way through.

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Speaker 3: So is a ban possible?

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Speaker 12: Well, I mean that the broad issues that we have

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Speaker 12: to feel about. I mean, yes, homelessness has been an issue.

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Speaker 22: So you.

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Speaker 12: Are considering a ban now, Well, I'm focused on the

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Speaker 12: anti social behaviors.

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Speaker 3: That are somebody in party considering a ban?

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Speaker 12: No, We'll see, you're trying to sort of get me

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Speaker 12: to talk about something that's out of my ministerial.

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Speaker 3: Area is going on here, I am, It's very simple.

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Speaker 12: It's very simple that.

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Speaker 3: I understand. I understand that you guys are considering a

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Speaker 3: range of things, and that's fair enough. The most interesting

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Speaker 3: of those things would be a ban on rough sleeping.

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Speaker 3: Is anyone of these ministers considering a ban on rough sleeping?

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Speaker 12: Not currently that I'm aware of what we're considering.

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Speaker 3: Therefore, if you're not considering a ban, then they will

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Speaker 3: be allowed to rough sleep in the city center, weren't they.

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Speaker 12: Well, it depends on what they're doing, and it's the

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Speaker 12: behaviors that we're focused on.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so the good ones can rough sleep, but they

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Speaker 3: can't rough sleep if they're doing drugs and prostitution and

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Speaker 3: other weird stuff.

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Speaker 12: Well, and that there's a whole whole issue of blocking

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Speaker 12: pay movements are intimidating people who come into stores.

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Speaker 3: Are you telling me they're going to be allowed to

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Speaker 3: They're going to be allowed to rough sleep in the

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Speaker 3: city center as long as they tuck themselves nicely away

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Speaker 3: and keep quiet.

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Speaker 12: I'm telling you. I'm telling you that that in terms

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Speaker 12: of what I'm focused on as Minister of Justice. It's

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Speaker 12: on dealing with anti social behavior. There are other ministers

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Speaker 12: looking at broader issues around homeless and on behalf of

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Speaker 12: all New Zealanders.

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Speaker 3: We put enormous resources.

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Speaker 12: Into trying to deal with the broader homeless issue, but

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Speaker 12: we still haven't got to the end. So we stand here.

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Speaker 12: We recognize that the situation we have in the CBD

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Speaker 12: at the moment is not good enough, and it's not

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Speaker 12: good enough for the people who live there and work

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Speaker 12: there and want to come and shop there and feel

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Speaker 12: sort of that they're in a welcoming and you know,

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Speaker 12: they feel safe, and that's what we're focused on, and

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Speaker 12: we're coming at it from all the different angles. We

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Speaker 12: haven't made any final decisions on some of these extra areas,

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Speaker 12: although we're already passed a lot of legislation around shoplifting

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Speaker 12: and a whole host of issues. At Dean we've also

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Speaker 12: put the extra police on the beat. We're focused on that.

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Speaker 12: So we've done a lot, but there's more to do,

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Speaker 12: and that there seems to be this big story that's

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Speaker 12: coming up around focusing on homelessness, and like I say,

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Speaker 12: we haven't made any decisions in that area at the moment,

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Speaker 12: but we're considering a whole range.

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Speaker 3: Of things, and when will you be doing whatever it

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Speaker 3: is that you're doing.

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Speaker 12: Well, Well, I can't give you an exact time on that.

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Speaker 3: Better people don't want to muck around because, as you said,

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Speaker 3: don't want to muck aroundrecisely.

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Speaker 12: And we want to improve the situation on the CBD.

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Speaker 12: And I think most people and who's listening in today

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Speaker 12: who've been into the CBD recently will say it's not good.

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Speaker 3: We're all cheering you on, probably slightly disappointed that you're

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Speaker 3: going soft on this. Tell me you don't.

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Speaker 12: We're not going soft at all. We're just we're just

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Speaker 12: we're just not trying to trying to get us ahead

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Speaker 12: of our decision making processes.

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Speaker 3: We're working away, not even working on a band, Goldie Well.

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Speaker 12: We're working on a lot of things that will make

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Speaker 12: a real difference. So I can't speak for other colleagues

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Speaker 12: in terms of the you know, the board range around homelessness.

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Speaker 12: In particular, what I'm focused on is anti social behavior

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Speaker 12: and that that's a huge area that we've got to

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Speaker 12: make progress on.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Paul, thank you, Paul Goldsmith Justice Minister Clearer's mud

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Speaker 3: for hever duplicy Ellen unemployment, let's talk about that it

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Speaker 3: has hit five point three percent. This was of course expected.

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Speaker 3: It is now at its highest level since twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 3: Nick Brunsden is Informetric's principal economist and with us now,

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Speaker 3: hey Nick, hey, Heather, we hit the peak.

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Speaker 23: We think we hit the peak. Yeah, so I did

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Speaker 23: creep up this quarter, but that was to be expected.

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Speaker 23: And we've got a few positive signs, a few very

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Speaker 23: small green shoots that might give us confidence that we

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Speaker 23: have at the peak.

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Speaker 3: There is a feeling it might go up, just tick up,

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Speaker 3: just marginally in this quarter still to five point four.

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Speaker 3: Do you agree or disagree?

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Speaker 23: I think it's possible, but I think we've got a

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Speaker 23: few We've had a number of good signs. We had

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Speaker 23: two or three months of job growth, We've had two

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Speaker 23: or three months of job ad growth. So there's signs

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Speaker 23: out there that things are gain better. And when we

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Speaker 23: look into the numbers today, we say that employers are

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Speaker 23: kind of holding on to staff, They're keeping their paid

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Speaker 23: hours up even if the work's not quite there, and

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Speaker 23: so that says that ultimately employers see see growth around

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Speaker 23: the corner.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there is also some talk of the fact that

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Speaker 3: it will sit at this kind of higher, this elevated

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Speaker 3: level for a but even possibly over five percent for

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Speaker 3: a while, like as in for another year.

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Speaker 2: Do you agree, Yeah, I.

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Speaker 23: Think something like that. Expected our forecasters for it to

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Speaker 23: four point six by the end of the next year.

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Speaker 23: And you know, that's not a low unemployment rate by

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Speaker 23: any means. It's still going to be pretty uncomfortable.

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Speaker 3: And then when does it finally return to what we

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Speaker 3: would consider kind of normal levels.

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Speaker 23: That could be two or three more years. I think

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Speaker 23: the thing is that we are starting to recover or

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Speaker 23: on the cusp of the recovery, but it's not going

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Speaker 23: to be a quick one. And so for those that

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Speaker 23: are in a job, it's quite a positive picture, and

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Speaker 23: for those that are not in a job, it's a

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Speaker 23: pretty ugly picture that it's going to take a while.

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Speaker 3: What are you reading into that underutilization rate?

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Speaker 23: I think that's what we're spect It is a tough

881
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 23: labor market, and people realize that they can't you know,

882
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 23: they're not going to get the hours that they want,

883
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 23: and it's going to be really hard to get the

884
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,839
Speaker 23: job that they want, and so they are they are

885
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 23: struggling to get what they need out of the labor market.

886
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 2: Ultimately.

887
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, hey, listen, thank you very much and I appreciate it.

888
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 3: Nick runs an infametrics principle economist. Heather, I just finished

889
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 3: that book you were just talking about, the one by

890
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 3: Douglas Murray is bloody fantastic. Quarter past five. I could

891
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 3: get yourself ready to get by the phone or get

892
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,320
Speaker 3: online because the following wine deal that I'm about to

893
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 3: tell you about is actually just absurd value for money,

894
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 3: and it is available exclusively at the Good Wine Code

895
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 3: now that if you want to hit them up online,

896
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 3: that's the Good Wine dot co dot MZ. Now, this

897
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 3: is a canceled export order on a five star ninety

898
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 3: four out of one hundred rated Marlborough seven your block

899
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,879
Speaker 3: for a cracker of a twenty twenty five vintage being

900
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 3: cleared at nine dollars ninety nine per bottle. Now you

901
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 3: heard that right, nine ninety nine per bottle, and for

902
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 3: that you're getting a truly five star Savvy at a

903
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 3: two star price. The wine is called Coltarta Marlborough seven

904
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 3: Block twenty twenty five and the quality that you're getting

905
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 3: here for Marlborough Savvy for ten bucks is just outstanding.

906
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 3: It was originally destined for the Australian market. It's now

907
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 3: being urgently cleared here on the domestic market at just

908
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 3: nine to ninety nine per bottle. The twenty twenty five

909
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 3: vintage and Marlborough was a great one. Once up here

910
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 3: and you're going to see what the fuss is about.

911
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 3: And it just gets better because you just pay one

912
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 3: dollar per case. Delivery to your door nationwide conditions apply.

913
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 11: Now.

914
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 3: The phones are going to be ringing hot, so if

915
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 3: you can't get through, what you want to do is

916
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 3: jump online now to order. Remember only available at the

917
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 3: Good Wine Co. So head to the Good Wine dot

918
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 3: co dot MZ or you can give them a call.

919
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 3: Oh eight hundred double six two, double six two.

920
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 2: Together do for Celine teen past five?

921
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 3: Harden up Goldie? Is that the I don't Is that

922
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 3: the problem? I don't know. Let me think about what

923
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 3: the problem. There was a problem, it was a major problem.

924
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 3: I don't know what the problem is. I'll think about it.

925
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:46,919
Speaker 3: We'll come back to that. And just to take first

926
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:48,879
Speaker 3: of all, it's just deal with The New Zealand on air.

927
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 3: They've announced that they're setting up a YouTube account. This

928
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 3: is basically for New Zealand made kids content and basically

929
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 3: because it's because YouTube is where the kids are. New

930
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 3: Zealand on Airs research is telling them that two in

931
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Speaker 3: three kids between the ages of two and fourteen years

932
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Speaker 3: old what's YouTube? Every single day? Amy Mills is from

933
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 3: New Zealand on Air. Hi, Amy, Hi, hear that. How

934
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 3: much New Zealand kids content is there?

935
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Speaker 19: There is a lot of New Zealand kids content. New

936
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,720
Speaker 19: ZealandI has been funding kids content for the past twenty

937
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 19: plus years and so there's hundreds of episodes, and there's

938
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 19: current content that's up on local platforms that will also

939
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 19: live in YouTube. But there's also a lot of evergreen

940
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:26,879
Speaker 19: content that can now have another life.

941
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 3: Right, so you're checking it all up, right, it's going

942
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 3: to be squirred and what now and Susie Cato and everything.

943
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 19: Yeah, we're carefully curating it and uploading it.

944
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, why don't you just stick it on TV

945
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 3: and Z plus.

946
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 19: Well, it's a great question. And the whole kind of

947
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 19: model that we're talking about at the moment is a

948
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 19: hybrid one. Like the idea that we keep going back

949
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 19: to is what's the research saying, and it's saying kids

950
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 19: are in this environment, we've got to look at options

951
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 19: for parents and kids. So there is content that it

952
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 19: does live both on TVNZ plus and on a YouTube

953
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,399
Speaker 19: on coudogo. A good example would be something like toy Time,

954
00:43:57,719 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 19: which is a really big driver of used to TVNS

955
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 19: class that lives on the platform there, but then it's

956
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 19: also across the road on YouTube, and it does a

957
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 19: lot more on YouTube because it's got short form, cut

958
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:08,800
Speaker 19: down episodes and a lot of bite sized content. So

959
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 19: we're trying to look at it as additive.

960
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

961
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 3: I mean the fact that because some of your research

962
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 3: suggests that parents actually don't know where to find key

963
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 3: we made Key we Are Kids content, which suggests they

964
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,280
Speaker 3: don't realize that TV and Z has got this stuff.

965
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 3: Is that what it tells you.

966
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Speaker 19: I mean, I think that's right. I think that's fair.

967
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 19: You just look at the dominance of where parents are

968
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 19: gravitating towards for their kids content. You ask though, where

969
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 19: they think it should be, and they do say the

970
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:34,839
Speaker 19: local platforms, And I think the stats something about forty

971
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 19: one percent of kids are accessing it via the local

972
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 19: TV channels and on the video on demand platforms. So

973
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 19: we still have to be there I think as they are.

974
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but then what does it mean do we not

975
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 3: need to have a word to TV and Z about

976
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,959
Speaker 3: how they're marketing this stuff and all the awesome stuff

977
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 3: they've got on TV and Z plus that most people

978
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 3: don't realize is there Isn't that actually kind of the problem.

979
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Speaker 19: I think that the kids content one. It's hard, right,

980
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 19: I mean, we don't have a dedicated BBC or ABC

981
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,399
Speaker 19: in New Zealand. TVNZ is a commercial broadcaster, so they're

982
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 19: struggling to survive alongside the other local platform. So I

983
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 19: think we're realistic about what they do. That's not really

984
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 19: our old to kind of comment on what they're doing

985
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 19: or not doing. But we're here saying we need to

986
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 19: make sure it's in as many places as it can be,

987
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 19: and so that's why we're doing this Codogo launch. In

988
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 19: terms of the channels on YouTube, Yeah.

989
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 3: Amy, listen, thank you. That's fascinating. I appreciate it's Amy

990
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 3: Mills from New Zealand on air. Actually heaps more in

991
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 3: this researcher they've done to run you through that. When

992
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 3: I get a chance, zorin Man Dami is just doing

993
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 3: his victory speech at the moment because he's of course

994
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 3: won the New York City mayoral race. We're going to

995
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 3: go to Catherine Ferkin, who's based over there in about

996
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 3: fifteen minutes. Time to talk us through it. Next up, though,

997
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,760
Speaker 3: let's deal with the police versus Stuff five two.

998
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:44,800
Speaker 2: Cutting through the noise to get the facts.

999
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 1: It's Heather d for Clan Drive with one New Zealand

1000
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 1: coverage like no one else news talks.

1001
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 2: There'd be all right.

1002
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 3: It is five twenty four.

1003
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 11: Now.

1004
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,879
Speaker 3: Look, I'm baffled by the police commissioner writing that open

1005
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 3: letter telling off Stuff today. You probably this thing when

1006
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 3: it actually happened, which was back in September. But back

1007
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 3: in September, in the week that Tom Phillips was shot

1008
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 3: and the kids was safe from the bush, Stuff got

1009
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 3: its hands on some of the audio of the police

1010
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 3: chase and they published it and they got in trouble

1011
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 3: with the coppers immediately, and then the cops started an

1012
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 3: investigation into Stuff. Today, the police boss, Richard Chambers has

1013
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 3: written an open letter in both main newspaper outlets as

1014
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 3: in The Stuff Guys and the New Zealand Herald, saying

1015
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 3: the police have decided not to charge Stuff, but don't

1016
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 3: do this again. It's really really bad. Now. I cannot

1017
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 3: explain to you why Richard Chambers thought this was a

1018
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 3: good idea, because either way you look at this, this

1019
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 3: is not a good look. I mean, it either looks

1020
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 3: like he's trying to bully the media into being good

1021
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 3: boys and girls, or he hasn't got the cahorns to

1022
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 3: actually do the thing that he's threatened and just go

1023
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 3: and prosecute stuff. But even what was even weirder about

1024
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 3: it is I just don't think that this warranted the

1025
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:51,879
Speaker 3: copp Is getting disvexed about it. I mean, as I said,

1026
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 3: you probably missed it when it happened because the audio

1027
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 3: wasn't that interesting. It was like mildly informative because it

1028
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:00,800
Speaker 3: told us that the police officer who got shot was

1029
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:04,359
Speaker 3: alone and exposed like we suspected, and it showed how

1030
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 3: we got in touch with various members of the community

1031
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 3: locals to find out if they could hear Tom Phillips

1032
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 3: on the quad bike so that he could track Tom

1033
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 3: Phillips down. But really, other than that, it wasn't interesting

1034
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 3: enough to draw public attention to it. Again, unless, of course,

1035
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 3: you are trying to bully stuff. And while I think

1036
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,720
Speaker 3: this audio wasn't that interesting. I did find it refreshing

1037
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 3: actually to have a media outlet be brave for once

1038
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 3: and publish something that the authorities didn't want them to publish,

1039
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 3: and tell the public something that the authorities didn't want

1040
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:32,320
Speaker 3: them to note, you know, basically doing their job. So

1041
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 3: on the whole, I think I'm on the side of

1042
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 3: stuff on this one, mainly because I don't like what

1043
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 3: this looks like, which is the police trying to publicly

1044
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 3: shame them for doing their job.

1045
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 2: Heather, do for see Alan, We'll talk to the.

1046
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 3: Huddle about this, Okay, So the texts are not The

1047
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 3: texts are not kind to Paul Goldsmith. Heather Goldie needs

1048
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 3: a testosterone implant. Heather Goldie, what a croc? Never heard

1049
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 3: so much flip flop in all my born days. Hither

1050
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 3: What the hell is the matter with people when they

1051
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 3: get into Parliament and they can't answer a straightforward, bloody question.

1052
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 3: I think I think the answer is this, they're not

1053
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 3: working on a band. They do not plan, which is

1054
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 3: what I think what we're all going, Yeah, your ban,

1055
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 3: how great? No, No, they're not planning to do a ban.

1056
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 3: What they're planning to basically do is not crack down

1057
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 3: on rough sleepers, but crack down on the anti social behavior,

1058
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 3: which actually is what he was saying, right, So they're

1059
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 3: going to crack down on the use of drugs and

1060
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 3: the peddling of drugs, and they're going to crack down

1061
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 3: on people who shout at each other and shout at

1062
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:28,280
Speaker 3: people walking past and all of that kind of unpleasant stuff.

1063
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 3: That's what they're going to move on because that's going

1064
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 3: to be more palatable to you know, the Greens, because

1065
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 3: the Greens can't you know, and Chippy Chippy can hardly

1066
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 3: sit there going well, you know, it's totally fine to

1067
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 3: have all the drugs being done in the city center.

1068
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 3: So politically that's what's up. Yeah, and we all wanted

1069
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 3: a band though, didn't we.

1070
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 1: News is next, hard questions, strong opinion here the duplicy

1071
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 1: Ellen drive with one New Zealand tandem power of satellite

1072
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 1: mobile news dogs.

1073
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 2: They'd be.

1074
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 3: Like Simon Watts is going to be with us on

1075
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 3: being a little bit shady about those changes he made

1076
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 3: last night reclimate change. Here the can I please ask

1077
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 3: that when you have Paul Goldsmith on that you give

1078
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 3: him a chance to get his message out and not

1079
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 3: talk over the top of him. He is illegal. They

1080
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:18,839
Speaker 3: always guard their words. And he's still a lot better

1081
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 3: at communicating than Jeffrey Palmer. What a backhanded compliment, Jed.

1082
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 3: Everybody's better at communicating than Jeffrey Palmer, aren't we. Twenty

1083
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 3: three away from six, New York City has just elected

1084
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 3: its youngest ever mayor. Democratic socialist Zoran Mandarmi has won

1085
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 3: at the age of thirty four. Here he is speaking

1086
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 3: just moments ago tonight.

1087
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 24: Against all odds, we have grasped it.

1088
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 2: The future is in our hands.

1089
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 9: My friends.

1090
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:55,799
Speaker 24: We have toppled a political dynasty.

1091
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 3: Catherine Perkin is a US journalist in New York City

1092
00:49:59,120 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 3: and with us now he.

1093
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 19: Hello, Hell, how are you.

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Speaker 3: I'm very well mate, Good to talk to you again.

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Speaker 3: Now how are you seeing this? Is this a commentary

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Speaker 3: on Trump given how much Trump opposed them, or is

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Speaker 3: this just a democratic city electing a Democratic mayor.

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Speaker 4: I think what we're seeing tonight is actually incredibly worrying

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Speaker 4: for Republicans. I mean, of course, New York is a

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Speaker 4: Democrat strong city, and we were never going to see

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Speaker 4: a Republican candidate Slee are elected. But the fact that

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Speaker 4: we have seen someone of Mandani's stance. You know, someone

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Speaker 4: who is really a polar opposite to Trump in almost

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Speaker 4: every way, someone who President Trump was actively campaigning against.

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Speaker 4: Really is quite a quite a show of the just

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Speaker 4: the resistance it's happening at the moment against President Trump.

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Speaker 4: I mean, we saw over two million New Yorkers turn

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Speaker 4: out for this election. And this these are only local elections.

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Speaker 4: They don't have to vote here. So the fact that

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Speaker 4: so many people felt motivated to come out and make

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Speaker 4: their voices heard in this fashion, I think it a

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Speaker 4: huge concern for Republicans.

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Speaker 3: He has a list of some pretty radical and actually

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Speaker 3: probably very expensive things that he wants to get done.

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Speaker 3: How much of this will he actually realistically be able

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Speaker 3: to achieve?

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Speaker 2: Wow?

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Speaker 4: Well, this is the big question, isn't it, Heather. I mean,

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Speaker 4: he's made some pretty enormous promises, and they are promises

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Speaker 4: that I'm not surprised have really resonated with people. I mean,

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Speaker 4: cost of living in New York it is expensive. Paying

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Speaker 4: your rent is incredibly expensive. You know, everyone even expats

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Speaker 4: like myself, just you know, that's the number one thing

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Speaker 4: we all complain about. So you have someone like Mandani

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Speaker 4: coming in and saying, well, I'm going to be able

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Speaker 4: to freeze rents. I'm going to make childcare free. I mean,

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Speaker 4: childcare costs here are enormous. I'm going to make buses free.

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Speaker 4: You know, he's promising all these sorts of things, But

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Speaker 4: how much are we actually going to see happen? New

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Speaker 4: York taxes are already so high, they are so expensive,

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Speaker 4: we pay taxes on everything, it feels like, so I

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Speaker 4: just don't know how this is actually going to eventuate.

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Speaker 4: And if we are all lumped with more taxes, are

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Speaker 4: we going to be better off in the end. I

1135
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Speaker 4: think that's the big question.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the rent freezer. Off the list of

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Speaker 3: things that you have just outlined, what is the one

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Speaker 3: thing that he absolutely has to do for his own credibility?

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean I think he has to He has

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Speaker 4: to freeze rent and he has to make childcare free,

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Speaker 4: because those are the things. When I was talking to

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Speaker 4: voters they kept coming back to and saying, well, hey,

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Speaker 4: if this happens, this will be incredible, because, I mean,

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Speaker 4: childca here is astronomical. I have two little kids of

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Speaker 4: my own, and I can't afford to send them to

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Speaker 4: a childcare. They're with me most of the time and

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Speaker 4: our rent is just phenomenal. But how on earth is

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Speaker 4: he actually going to do this? We really haven't been

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Speaker 4: given any detail, Heather, on how this is going to work.

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Speaker 4: I mean, are we all just going to be suddenly

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Speaker 4: paying these massive taxes or is he going to have

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Speaker 4: to sort of backtrack? What I think is going to happen.

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Speaker 4: And this is purely my speculation is that we're going

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Speaker 4: to see rent freezers only you know, perhaps in income

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Speaker 4: based scenarios, so perhaps only if you're owning below a

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Speaker 4: certain amount, or only in designated areas. I really don't

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Speaker 4: think we're going to suddenly see rank prices drop in

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Speaker 4: New York. Perhaps I'm too skeptical, but I just don't

1159
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Speaker 4: see how on earth that's going to suddenly come about.

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Speaker 3: Catherine, thanks very much, mate, Look after yourself. Catherin ferk

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Speaker 3: and US journalist in New York. It's coming up twenty away.

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Speaker 1: From six The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty,

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Speaker 1: the global leader in luxury real estate.

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Speaker 3: On the Huddle of US this evening, we have Liam Here,

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Speaker 3: political commentator and lawyer, and Jack Tame, host of Q

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Speaker 3: and A and Saturday Mornings on z B high lads,

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Speaker 3: Good evening, Liam. You been following this race in New York?

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Speaker 25: Are only tangentially of course, I mean we all like

1169
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 25: to watch American politics. It's a bit removed. But yeah,

1170
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Speaker 25: like I'm going to probably a little bit less reading,

1171
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Speaker 25: a little bit less into a New York voting for

1172
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Speaker 25: the Democrat candidate. Then you're anti journal as well.

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Speaker 3: Do you not see those huge disappointment coming for his

1174
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 3: voters given what Catherine said? But then potentially maybe that

1175
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Speaker 3: doesn't matter because maybe like Trump, he it's what he

1176
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Speaker 3: represents rather than what he delivers.

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Speaker 1: This.

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Speaker 25: Yeah, I think that's right. You know, this is the

1179
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 25: era of politics we've moved into. Politics is more like

1180
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 25: professional wrestling than it is a statesmanship. You know, like

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00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:17,839
Speaker 25: we all know that it's fake. It's performative.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, what.

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Speaker 3: Would you agree with?

1184
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Speaker 9: Jack?

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00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 26: Yeah, it's also like just a repudiation of status quo,

1186
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:25,319
Speaker 26: a like it's actually in the same way that there

1187
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Speaker 26: was there were kind of a lot of things between

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Speaker 26: Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump that were comparable I think

1189
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Speaker 26: with Mandani and Donald Trump. There are too just a

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Speaker 26: lot of his supporters like, you know, what, the system

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00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 26: is screwing me I'm sick of this.

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00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 2: I'm going to vote for a candidate who's going to

1193
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Speaker 2: blow up the system.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, fair point, Like Donald Trump is the is the

1195
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Speaker 3: anti system guy, and Mam Damie is the anti Donald

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Speaker 3: Trump guy, and it just keeps going around around.

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Speaker 6: Liam.

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Speaker 3: Doesn't sound to you like the government is working on something,

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Speaker 3: but it's not a ban on rough sleepers, and it's

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Speaker 3: more like a ban on their bad behavior.

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Speaker 25: Yeah, well, I mean you can't actually ban people for

1202
00:54:57,840 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 25: being homeless and they don't have a home to go to,

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Speaker 25: and any you shouldn't either, right, It's you shouldn't penalize

1204
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:09,440
Speaker 25: people for being poor, but you can always penalize people,

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Speaker 25: or you can always have expectations for everyone about what

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Speaker 25: they actually do. And and you know, it's a hard

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Speaker 25: one for me, Like I try to think, you know what,

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Speaker 25: what does what does Christian compassion look like in this

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Speaker 25: sort of scenario. But at the same time, compassion doesn't mean,

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Speaker 25: you know, putting up with the civic squalor that's not

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Speaker 25: compassionate to anybody. It makes everything more difficult, including for

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Speaker 25: those who are sleeping ruugh through through the unavoidable need.

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Speaker 25: What it would sucking though, is that you know, if

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Speaker 25: you if you are going to go down this route

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Speaker 25: of punishing that behavior, you actually do need an outlet

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Speaker 25: to move people along to that it's not prison. And

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Speaker 25: you know, I think the fact that we have to

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Speaker 25: do this is just this huge validation of the idea

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Speaker 25: that actually the institutionalization of of of mental health and

1220
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Speaker 25: addiction it's just a complete failure, you know, And so

1221
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 25: you need to have those alternatives. But those alternatives might

1222
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Speaker 25: not be as nice as we like.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it ultimately does end up no matter

1224
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Speaker 3: whether you call it jack, a ban on homelessness or

1225
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 3: a band on their behavior, it ends up with the

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Speaker 3: same point, which is that you move them along. And

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Speaker 3: where do you move them along?

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Speaker 11: Too?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 25: Yeah, And that's a tricky question.

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Speaker 26: I mean, if I was a business owner and the

1232
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Speaker 26: CBD and you saw all this antisocial behavior outside your door,

1233
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Speaker 26: you would just be so frustrated by it, wouldn't you, like,

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Speaker 26: as compassionate as you tried to be, it would drive

1235
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Speaker 26: you absolutely nuts. But you know, the police officers I

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Speaker 26: know certainly don't want to be spending their time going

1237
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Speaker 26: and moving rough sleepers off the street. And you know,

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Speaker 26: as far as I'm concerned, the threat of punishment probably

1239
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Speaker 26: isn't going to be a big motivating factor. If you're

1240
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Speaker 26: the kind of person who is sadly living your life

1241
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 26: like that, the threat of getting a conviction or a

1242
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 26: couple of nights in the cells or something like that

1243
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 26: probably isn't going to move you along. I reckon maybe

1244
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Speaker 26: there's some alternative vision whereby if we are able to

1245
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Speaker 26: better support, like quite big intervention services to go and

1246
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Speaker 26: support these people are moving away from the CBD, then

1247
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 26: that might be the best option as opposed to just

1248
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:07,879
Speaker 26: a slap on the rid.

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Speaker 3: Now here's a question though. Okay, so Liam, if what

1250
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Speaker 3: we're going to do is crack down on their anti

1251
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:14,960
Speaker 3: social behavior and their drug taking and stuff, why aren't

1252
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Speaker 3: we doing that already?

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Speaker 25: Because it's not the current fashion. It's not the current

1254
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 25: mode of looking at things. I mean, you know, not

1255
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 25: to be too contentious, but I really I I don't

1256
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Speaker 25: agree with my good friend Jack here about the idea

1257
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 25: that actually what's needed is its more intensive welfare state,

1258
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Speaker 25: because I think that actually people can, given their behavior

1259
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Speaker 25: and the standards that people live in, the environment that

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Speaker 25: people live in, will actually you know, influence what they

1261
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Speaker 25: perceived to be acceptable behavior. Or not, and the reaches

1262
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Speaker 25: the point where you have the amount of squalor and

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Speaker 25: the lack of safety that sets the default right, It

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Speaker 25: sets the expected standard of behavior so low that it

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Speaker 25: sort of feeds on itself and it creates itself. So,

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Speaker 25: like I said, I do think that actually, you know,

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Speaker 25: people will for self correct to an extent, and for

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Speaker 25: those who genuinely can't, it's not necessarily you know, an

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Speaker 25: unproven intervention in their lives to live their lives for them,

1270
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Speaker 25: but it might be a return to more psychiatric care,

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Speaker 25: in more sort of FODI or care for people who

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Speaker 25: genuinely can't look at for themselves rather than just living

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Speaker 25: them freeze and endorse them.

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Speaker 3: You want to say anything here.

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Speaker 26: No, I mean yeah, I just think that if you're

1276
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:36,760
Speaker 26: I just think it's not a motivator. I just think

1277
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Speaker 26: that's saying, hey, we're going to punish you for being outside,

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Speaker 26: isn't motivator. And if you look at something like the

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Speaker 26: Housing First program, which basically says the number one thing

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Speaker 26: you can do to the kind of person who is

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Speaker 26: living on the streets or taking drugs on the streets

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Speaker 26: is actually give them a dependable roof over their head.

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Speaker 26: Every night, so they know they don't have to do that.

1284
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Speaker 26: They know they have a safe place to go to.

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Speaker 26: That is basically the most effective way you can try

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Speaker 26: an into vene and set them on a better path

1287
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Speaker 26: in life. And so I think something like that is

1288
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Speaker 26: a better option.

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Speaker 3: All right, we'll take a break. Come back shortly quarter.

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Speaker 1: Two the Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty. Find

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Speaker 1: your one of a kind.

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Speaker 3: Write you back with a huddle, Jack, tam Liam Here, Jack,

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Speaker 3: what did you make of the police boss writing this

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Speaker 3: opinion piece on stuff?

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Speaker 26: Yeah, First of all, good call not to prosecute them

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Speaker 26: in any way. I didn't think it was a great

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Speaker 26: call to publish that audio. I think there were alternative

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Speaker 26: options available, even just publishing a transcript with a better option.

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Speaker 26: That being said, I do have some sympathy for journos

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Speaker 26: who feel like there is a possibility that actually not

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Speaker 26: insufficient scrutiny is going to be placed on the police

1302
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Speaker 26: about their decision making throughout the whole case. So I

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Speaker 26: got some sympathy there. And finally, I'd say that if

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Speaker 26: you're cracking down on the traditional mainstream media for their

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Speaker 26: reporting of this, where's the crackdown on the social media platforms.

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Speaker 26: I mean, yeah, these are the companies acting with real

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Speaker 26: impunity where all of this provision information goes up online,

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Speaker 26: all of this misinformation. So with the crackdown on.

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Speaker 3: That, yeah, Liam, it's strung. It feels to me like

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Speaker 3: Richard Chambers is doing is creating the striis in effect,

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Speaker 3: we're the very thing that he doesn't want us to

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Speaker 3: listen to and talk about. He's just directed us to

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Speaker 3: again when he could have just.

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Speaker 2: Let it go.

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Speaker 25: Yeah, I really questioned the prudence of commenting on it.

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Speaker 25: You know, I get the fact that, you know, you

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Speaker 25: might want to make clear that you know you haven't

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Speaker 25: done anything, but that's not because you are indifferent to

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Speaker 25: the law and you've made a reason decision not to

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Speaker 25: practice it in this case while getting a warning out there.

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Speaker 25: But you know the fact is that when you do

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Speaker 25: anything like this, it drifts, it drifts into theater, right

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Speaker 25: you know, it's it's it's keeping it in the news,

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Speaker 25: it's and and it's drawing attention to the fact that actually,

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Speaker 25: you know, the police have a discretion to to exercise yes,

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Speaker 25: but they're doing it inconsistently, right or they're set they're

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Speaker 25: creating precedence, and when they might do it again, you're

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Speaker 25: actually better off just if you're not going to do it,

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Speaker 25: to say nothing, or to say as little as possible,

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Speaker 25: rather than to tip your hand to it. Because I've really,

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Speaker 25: I've taken away a lot of the effectness of the law.

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Speaker 10: I think.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's fair all right, now, Jack, do

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Speaker 3: you think that if do you think that if Nick

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Speaker 3: Kurios beat Saberlenka that it is damaging to women's sport

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Speaker 3: and demeaning.

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Speaker 26: No, No, I think it's ludiper. I love a bit

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Speaker 26: of a battle of the sexes from time to time,

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Speaker 26: Like I love when the when the Silver Ferns played

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Speaker 26: the men's team, and I think back in the day,

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Speaker 26: like Susan Devoy played her husband, it was just for

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Speaker 26: a bit of fun.

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Speaker 25: It's great.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't have a problem with it.

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Speaker 11: Liam.

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Speaker 3: I live in the in the real world where Nick Kurios,

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Speaker 3: even though he's flabby and unfit, could probably beat her.

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Speaker 25: Yeah, I mean, it's a it's a reality check a

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Speaker 25: little bit. I mean, and I don't mean that in

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Speaker 25: an overly negative way. And I remember when I was

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Speaker 25: a kid, I've watching tennis in the ninety eight cast

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Speaker 25: and Brash played the Williams sisters and that you know,

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Speaker 25: and he was two and eighths in the world and

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Speaker 25: he beat them six one, six two, smoking while he

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Speaker 25: was playing. And the lesson. The lesson wasn't the Williams

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Speaker 25: sisters weren't amazing. They were The lesson is just a

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Speaker 25: different game, right, It's a women's tennis and men's senis

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Speaker 25: a different games. And I like watching women's tennis. As

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Speaker 25: I always say to my wife, it's not for the

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Speaker 25: reason you're thinking of. It's because the rallies are longer,

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Speaker 25: and you know, there's more baseline play. It's just it's

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Speaker 25: a different game. And it's not the worst thing that

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Speaker 25: world to be reminded of that from time to time.

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Speaker 3: That's a fair point.

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Speaker 26: And it's just a bit of fun.

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Speaker 3: Oh can make things too serious. Hey Jack, how do

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Speaker 3: you feel about this idea of the government overruling the

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Speaker 3: council rules in Auckland and adding to Eden Park's concerts.

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Speaker 26: Well, I think if eden Park is going to be

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Speaker 26: the big stadium, then it has to be allowed to

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Speaker 26: have big and medium sized concerts, as simple as that.

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Speaker 26: I live close enough to eden Park that when they

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Speaker 26: have a big concert.

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Speaker 25: I can hear it.

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Speaker 26: I think if I was on night eleven of a

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Speaker 26: fifteen night Metallica extravaganza and they were playing to midnight

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Speaker 26: every night, I beginning. Do you know I'm not I'm

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Speaker 26: actually more of a system of a down guy. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 26: but no, I honestly think that's it. If Eden Park

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Speaker 26: is going to be the stadium, it has to be

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Speaker 26: allowed to have the concert.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, would you come up for Metallica?

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Speaker 25: Liam, I'm not a metallic and you know that's not me.

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Speaker 25: But can I just say I am very in favor

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Speaker 25: of the move simply because Helena and Clark blocked me

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Speaker 25: on Twitter and like, sorry, any anything then nothing, I

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Speaker 25: can't you know, I probably might. I probably gave a

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Speaker 25: very reasonable and correct critique of one of her tweets

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Speaker 25: and I got blocked for it. So anything that annoys

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Speaker 25: her I'm now in favor of.

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Speaker 3: So so she's the anti Eden Park and you're the

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Speaker 3: anti Helen.

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Speaker 25: Now, yeah, I think there should be forty major conscerts

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Speaker 25: a year down.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm down with that, guys, Thanks very much. Liam, Here, Jack,

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Speaker 3: tame Hardle. This evening, I'm going to Metallica. Oh, I'm

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Speaker 3: not going alone. The girls are going. It's our first. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: the girls are going to Metallica. We've just got haven't

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Speaker 3: We just packed our calendar for the concert club seven

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Speaker 3: away from six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duper see allan Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 1: on my Heart Radio powered by News Talk zeb.

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Speaker 3: Heather is Helen Clark going to Metallica?

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Speaker 15: Do you know what?

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Speaker 3: Probably not? But don't you just think that there's she's

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Speaker 3: a dark horse. There would be like if she did

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Speaker 3: turn up at Metallica that you just be like, there

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Speaker 3: would be a part of you that wasn't surprised. Herether

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Speaker 3: Helen Clark has blocked me too due to her due

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Speaker 3: to my critique of her tweets. She blocks En mass

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Speaker 3: stays in her own little bubble hates supposing views. I've

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Speaker 3: got a lot of love for Helen, so I didn't

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Speaker 3: like reading that out.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you know this about Mandarmi, but

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Speaker 3: he used to be a rapper. In fact, you would

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Speaker 3: know this if you listen to the show, because we

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Speaker 3: have told you this before. He used to be a

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Speaker 3: rapper and his stage was mister Cardman. And this is

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Speaker 3: her song Nanny for.

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Speaker 10: You for you.

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Speaker 9: For you.

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Speaker 2: There is the money handsome men of the Band of

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Speaker 2: Hunger Husbands, Damn sarfter Felt.

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Speaker 3: I mean it's not that bad, eh. Like when I

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Speaker 3: heard that the first time, I was like, I kind

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Speaker 3: of like this weirdness whisper rapp or whatever it is.

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Speaker 3: I'm into it.

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Speaker 2: Do you want to hear it again?

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Speaker 3: Play it later on?

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Speaker 9: Here?

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Speaker 3: The get real? Why are you spending so much time

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Speaker 3: talking about this non band on homeless people? Nothing will

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Speaker 3: really change. It's just a sound bite for those And

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Speaker 3: isn't that that is? That's why I'm irritated by it

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Speaker 3: because the government like so now everybody's reporting Gamnan is

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Speaker 3: confirmed it's doing a ban on homeless people.

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Speaker 21: It's not so.

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Speaker 3: Now it's going to cop all the heat from the

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Speaker 3: lefties who hate this, while actually disappointing everybody who does

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Speaker 3: want who do want a ban? So anyway, this is

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Speaker 3: this is where they find themselves. Now, what was I

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Speaker 3: going to tell you about, Beatie?

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Speaker 9: What is it?

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Speaker 3: Milford? Oh, yes, that's what they're talking about. I've got

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Speaker 3: to tell you about this. Do you remember the Big

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Speaker 3: Short Movie? Remember the guy in the Big Short Movie,

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Speaker 3: The central character played by Christian Bale what's his it?

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Speaker 3: Mike Burray? Thank you at Mike Burry has just taken

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Speaker 3: a bet on a AI stock, Paalanter and an Nvidia.

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Speaker 3: He's put it's not a small amount of money, mate,

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Speaker 3: two billion dollars against it. So this is making people

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Speaker 3: freak out, do we But like, what is he seeing

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Speaker 3: that we're not seeing?

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Speaker 22: It?

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Speaker 3: Is the bubble about to burst and stuff? So milfon

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Speaker 3: Acid Management will talk us through this absolutely fascinating development. Next,

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Speaker 3: oh ahort me Simon Watts is next? Is you an Metallica.

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Speaker 2: Keeping track of where the money is flowing?

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Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Heather Duplicyle and Mass for insurance

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Speaker 1: investments can Killie Saber, You're in good hands News talks.

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Speaker 2: He'd be.

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Speaker 3: Even coming up in the next hour Genative trainee on

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Speaker 3: Adrian or threatening legal action and house prices being at

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Speaker 3: the upper end of sustainable. Milford Asset Management on the

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Speaker 3: big shorts take on the AI stock value and Gavin

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Speaker 3: Gray will be with us out of the UK and

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Speaker 3: we'll definitely talk about the BBC right now at a

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Speaker 3: seven past six. Now, climate Change Minister Simon Watts has

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Speaker 3: made quite significant changes to our climate laws. The emissions

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Speaker 3: trading scheme no longer has to align with the Paris Agreement,

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Speaker 3: the public service doesn't have to be carbon neutral until

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Speaker 3: twenty fifty, and the Climate Change Commission will no longer

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Speaker 3: produce a draft emission's reduction plan for the government. And

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Speaker 3: Simon Watson is with us now, Hi, Simon, Hey, good evening, Heather.

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Speaker 3: Now why have you decided to decouple the ETS from

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Speaker 3: the Paris Agreement.

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Speaker 11: Well, first and foremost, the ETS deals with domestic commissions.

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Speaker 11: The Paris Agreement deals with international and so we've simply

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Speaker 11: just made the change which reflects the reality of how

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Speaker 11: the ETS works, focus on domestic emissions reduction.

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Speaker 2: And does it also allow for you?

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Speaker 3: Is it not also practically now allowing you to be

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Speaker 3: able to buy offshore credits rather than having to reduce

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Speaker 3: your domestic emissions.

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Speaker 11: It has nothing to do with that. And just for

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Speaker 11: the record, I think we've talked about that before. The

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Speaker 11: Government doesn't have any plans in play at the moment

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Speaker 11: to do that. Right now, we're focusing on domestic emissions

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Speaker 11: reduction as the priority.

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Speaker 3: What's happened to the carbon price today as a result of.

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Speaker 11: This, Look, I haven't seen the latest number in terms

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Speaker 11: of closing, and I don't comment on the price in

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Speaker 11: the market, but look there's been you know, my price

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Speaker 11: goes up and down like any market.

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Speaker 3: And so does it fallen today?

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Speaker 11: I haven't got the latest numbers. It was some change

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Speaker 11: this morning, but in terms of this afternoon, my understanding

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Speaker 11: it's firmed up a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, So how much did it fall by this morning?

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Speaker 2: I don't hear that.

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Speaker 11: I don't comment on the broader price.

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Speaker 3: Can tell us. I'm not asking you for your take

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Speaker 3: on I'm just asking you what you saw.

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Speaker 11: My understanding is that it's softened this morning and has

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Speaker 11: then recovered back up. So I think my understanding from

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Speaker 11: what I heard, it was about ten percent.

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Speaker 3: Down on the day, and the anyway about the ETAs

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Speaker 3: another day. Now, why did you push out the public

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Speaker 3: service carbon neutrality from this year to twenty fifty?

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Speaker 11: Oh yeah, I mean, Look, to be fair, there is

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Speaker 11: a huge amount of process and bureaucracy that's in play

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Speaker 11: with the Climate Change Response Act. From a public sector

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Speaker 11: point of view, everyone's focusing on twenty fifty. The last

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Speaker 11: government put in this objective to have them neutral by

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Speaker 11: twenty twenty five. That's not realistic. Our priority across the

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Speaker 11: public service is getting them focused on delivering good public

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Speaker 11: services for less money.

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Speaker 3: Far off being carbon neutral. Were they like, was it

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Speaker 3: within touch or was it just miles away?

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Speaker 22: Oh?

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Speaker 11: Look, there's some parts of the sector, you know, you

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01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:44,720
Speaker 11: think about all the coal burners and that in hospitals

1524
01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:46,120
Speaker 11: and schools. You know, they've got quite a bit of

1525
01:09:46,200 --> 01:09:48,000
Speaker 11: work to do in that space. But also some of

1526
01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:50,840
Speaker 11: it's just not realistic or feasible right here right now.

1527
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:53,760
Speaker 11: And like, as a government, we want them focused on

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01:09:54,360 --> 01:09:57,240
Speaker 11: core public service delivery. And I've given them to twenty

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01:09:57,320 --> 01:09:59,600
Speaker 11: fifty because guess what everyone else in the country is

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01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:01,640
Speaker 11: targeting that deadline as well.

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01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:05,400
Speaker 3: So okay, why sideline the Climate Change Commission? If we've

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01:10:05,400 --> 01:10:07,800
Speaker 3: got a climate change commission, why sideline it? Why not

1533
01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:09,000
Speaker 3: just get rid of the thing altogether?

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01:10:10,160 --> 01:10:11,960
Speaker 11: Oh look, there's been quite a few on the left

1535
01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:15,040
Speaker 11: that have said that, and I don't sure. What we

1536
01:10:15,400 --> 01:10:18,600
Speaker 11: did have and play is that we've got duplication. I

1537
01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:21,479
Speaker 11: do a process to consult on my plan and the

1538
01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:26,200
Speaker 11: Climate Change Commission exactly the same time consults on their plan,

1539
01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:29,280
Speaker 11: and it ends up just being you know, duplication and

1540
01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:32,960
Speaker 11: the waste of effort. I've said, look, you guys don't.

1541
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:33,320
Speaker 2: Need to do that.

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01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:36,600
Speaker 11: I'll consult with the public. And by the way you

1543
01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:40,400
Speaker 11: use that time and capacity to spend on other aspects.

1544
01:10:40,439 --> 01:10:43,320
Speaker 11: There's a lot of duplication in this process. I'll tell

1545
01:10:43,320 --> 01:10:45,240
Speaker 11: you there's a lot of bureaucracy as well. And I'm

1546
01:10:45,320 --> 01:10:46,920
Speaker 11: just taking a clean look at it and going, look,

1547
01:10:47,040 --> 01:10:48,680
Speaker 11: let's cut a whole lot of the stuff out that's

1548
01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:52,400
Speaker 11: not adding value because guess what, you know, we can't

1549
01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:55,360
Speaker 11: afford to be wasting money on stuff that we don't

1550
01:10:55,400 --> 01:10:55,920
Speaker 11: need to be doing.

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01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:58,080
Speaker 3: Fair enough, now, all of the stuff is defendable. So

1552
01:10:58,240 --> 01:11:01,720
Speaker 3: why were you a bit shady about it last night?

1553
01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:03,640
Speaker 3: Why pop it up on the beehive website and not

1554
01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:05,960
Speaker 3: send the press release out to everybody like you always do?

1555
01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:09,600
Speaker 11: Oh here there, I'm not being there's nothing shady about this.

1556
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:12,840
Speaker 11: The market closes at eight o'clock. Because the stuff is

1557
01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:16,200
Speaker 11: considered market sensitive, I'm not allowed to release it until

1558
01:11:16,240 --> 01:11:17,280
Speaker 11: the market closers.

1559
01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:18,479
Speaker 2: We sent it out.

1560
01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:21,200
Speaker 11: We sent it out to a select number of that's.

1561
01:11:21,080 --> 01:11:22,800
Speaker 2: My questions topic.

1562
01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:24,439
Speaker 3: Did you send it out to everyone?

1563
01:11:25,720 --> 01:11:27,200
Speaker 11: Look, we sent it out, It was put on the

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01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:29,639
Speaker 11: public on the Beehive. I'm not trying to hide anything here.

1565
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:32,080
Speaker 11: I get a lot of hassles, just so you know,

1566
01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:34,639
Speaker 11: on people going. Were you sending out too many people?

1567
01:11:34,840 --> 01:11:37,720
Speaker 3: Come on, come off, if I listen. If I was

1568
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:40,559
Speaker 3: your press secretary, I would have said to you now, minister,

1569
01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:42,320
Speaker 3: I will make sure.

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01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:44,360
Speaker 11: You get it next time here will everyone?

1571
01:11:44,479 --> 01:11:46,120
Speaker 3: Because I would have I would have said, because I mean,

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01:11:46,120 --> 01:11:48,719
Speaker 3: it's not that I really care, but because I would

1573
01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:50,960
Speaker 3: have said to you, send it out to everyone. Otherwise

1574
01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:53,200
Speaker 3: you're going to be accused like you are today buy

1575
01:11:53,280 --> 01:11:56,960
Speaker 3: stuff of being a bit weird and shady. So we

1576
01:11:57,080 --> 01:11:57,760
Speaker 3: guys got run that.

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01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:02,120
Speaker 11: We signaled the inta clearly to the market participants, We

1578
01:12:02,240 --> 01:12:06,200
Speaker 11: sent the information out and the official announcement was also

1579
01:12:06,320 --> 01:12:07,519
Speaker 11: on all the websites and all that.

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01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:10,400
Speaker 3: So not a big issue here. You just defended. I mean,

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01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:13,320
Speaker 3: you've got good ground here, right, Thank you, Simon, appreciate

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01:12:13,320 --> 01:12:15,400
Speaker 3: your time as always, Simon, what's the climate change? Minister?

1583
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:19,160
Speaker 3: I'm going to be honest with you. It wasn't trying.

1584
01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:21,720
Speaker 3: It was no gotcha there. I was literally just trying

1585
01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:23,200
Speaker 3: to get him to do my work for me. But

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01:12:23,280 --> 01:12:24,720
Speaker 3: then he wasn't going to do my work for me,

1587
01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:27,280
Speaker 3: so I did the work so well, actually, I'm not

1588
01:12:27,320 --> 01:12:29,599
Speaker 3: even gonna lie. Laura did the work. So Laura looked

1589
01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:31,679
Speaker 3: it up. So here's what happened with the carbon price.

1590
01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:34,120
Speaker 3: It went down twenty percent and then it recut. There

1591
01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:35,840
Speaker 3: was at the start of day, then it recovered and

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01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:38,840
Speaker 3: now it's down ten percent. So I won't be doing

1593
01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:41,519
Speaker 3: a shortcut like that again anytime soon. Thirteen past six

1594
01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:45,800
Speaker 3: either duplusy Ellen. Reddit has just been added today to

1595
01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:48,320
Speaker 3: the list of the social media platforms that the Australians

1596
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:50,720
Speaker 3: are going to ban for kids having an access to

1597
01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:52,720
Speaker 3: when this kicks, having access to when this kicks, and

1598
01:12:52,760 --> 01:12:54,760
Speaker 3: it's kicking in by the way, in about five weeks

1599
01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:56,920
Speaker 3: time to keep an eye out for that. They've added

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01:12:57,120 --> 01:12:59,920
Speaker 3: read it. They've also added something called Kick, which is

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01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:03,320
Speaker 3: a live streaming platform. That makes nine that will now

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01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:07,520
Speaker 3: be banned Reddit, Kick, Facebook x, Snapchat, techtok, YouTube, Instagram,

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01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:10,880
Speaker 3: and threads. Actually, that reminds me, geez, if they banned

1604
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:12,720
Speaker 3: YouTube and New Zealand, there were a whole bunch of

1605
01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:15,320
Speaker 3: kids under the age of fourteen who'd freak out because

1606
01:13:15,320 --> 01:13:17,160
Speaker 3: they love using it. Before the end of this program,

1607
01:13:17,240 --> 01:13:18,400
Speaker 3: I'm going to get you some of the numbers of

1608
01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:21,240
Speaker 3: the kids who are on YouTube. Next up, though, let's

1609
01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:23,240
Speaker 3: deal with Milford Asset Management. News Dog ZBB.

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01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:27,840
Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duper c Allen Drive Full Show podcast

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01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:30,839
Speaker 1: on my Heart Radio empowered by news Dog Zebbie.

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Speaker 3: Right, this is this is the update on Adrian Or today.

1613
01:13:35,160 --> 01:13:38,040
Speaker 3: Adrian was apparently taking legal action or maybe has taken

1614
01:13:38,120 --> 01:13:39,600
Speaker 3: the extent of the legal action he was going to.

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01:13:39,680 --> 01:13:42,160
Speaker 3: He's got Michael here and k C as his lawyer

1616
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:44,840
Speaker 3: with regards to an article that was written by Michael

1617
01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:47,880
Speaker 3: Riddell which he reckons as defamatory. Now, if you followed

1618
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:50,639
Speaker 3: you know the adrianaw story and the Michael Riddell story,

1619
01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:52,920
Speaker 3: you know Michael Riddell's basically been his fiercest critic and

1620
01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:54,759
Speaker 3: has actually done a lot of the work on Adrian

1621
01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:59,920
Speaker 3: or what Michael Riddell as in like uncovered what happened there.

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01:14:00,360 --> 01:14:03,200
Speaker 3: So Michael Riddell's thing appeared on his blog, but it

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01:14:03,320 --> 01:14:06,799
Speaker 3: also appeared on a London based news publication called Central

1624
01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:09,800
Speaker 3: Banking here and got in touch with them, gave them

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01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:11,479
Speaker 3: five days to take it down, which they both have

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01:14:11,720 --> 01:14:14,120
Speaker 3: neither apologized like they asked him to. So we'll catch

1627
01:14:14,200 --> 01:14:16,920
Speaker 3: up with gennative chariny on that in about twenty minutes time,

1628
01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:18,839
Speaker 3: and just get the low down at seventeen past.

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01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:22,160
Speaker 2: Six, Heather Dust, Jeremy hasn't.

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01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:23,960
Speaker 3: Nol fit Asset management is with me, Hello, Jeremy.

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01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:25,639
Speaker 20: Good evening, Heather.

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01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:27,200
Speaker 3: So a bit of a fall in the US share

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01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:28,439
Speaker 3: market overnight? What happened?

1634
01:14:29,960 --> 01:14:33,080
Speaker 20: Yeah, just a short reminder that markets just don't go

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01:14:33,200 --> 01:14:37,599
Speaker 20: up in a straight line. But yeah, short, sharp two

1636
01:14:37,640 --> 01:14:41,559
Speaker 20: percent drop in the Nasdaq overnight, but just highlighting it's

1637
01:14:41,560 --> 01:14:44,640
Speaker 20: still been a very strong year. But overnight, yeah, there

1638
01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:48,080
Speaker 20: was the lead market was led down by two market darlings.

1639
01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:51,320
Speaker 20: This was Pellanter down nine percent in the chip behemoth

1640
01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:53,840
Speaker 20: and Video down three and a half. And it looks

1641
01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:56,280
Speaker 20: like it was driven by a short bet in both

1642
01:14:56,320 --> 01:14:59,639
Speaker 20: these names that was disclosed by an investor called Michael Burry.

1643
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:03,160
Speaker 20: Now putting a shortbit in is that you're expecting these

1644
01:15:03,439 --> 01:15:06,919
Speaker 20: stocks to fall and Bury he's a regionally famous investor

1645
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:10,639
Speaker 20: who shorted the US housing markets just before the GFC

1646
01:15:10,920 --> 01:15:12,960
Speaker 20: crash in two thousand and nine, and you know that

1647
01:15:13,080 --> 01:15:16,080
Speaker 20: led to the famous movie The Big Short. But you know,

1648
01:15:16,120 --> 01:15:18,680
Speaker 20: it is just one man's view, one participant's view, and

1649
01:15:19,080 --> 01:15:22,240
Speaker 20: one shift down on the day. But you know, we'll

1650
01:15:22,280 --> 01:15:24,200
Speaker 20: just have to see how this plays out and if

1651
01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:25,080
Speaker 20: there's any trend here.

1652
01:15:25,240 --> 01:15:27,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mean it is possible that there are

1653
01:15:27,160 --> 01:15:31,839
Speaker 3: a few other risks that are popping into investors' minds, right, yeah, potentially.

1654
01:15:31,920 --> 01:15:35,400
Speaker 20: I mean, we have just gone through a reasonably catalyst

1655
01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:38,280
Speaker 20: rich period where you know, we had the third quarter

1656
01:15:38,320 --> 01:15:40,920
Speaker 20: earnings of a lot of these big tech and AI

1657
01:15:41,040 --> 01:15:43,799
Speaker 20: companies and once more, they did report really strong numbers,

1658
01:15:43,880 --> 01:15:47,160
Speaker 20: and the markets just continued to rally as it has

1659
01:15:47,240 --> 01:15:49,160
Speaker 20: over over the year as well. And you know, the

1660
01:15:49,200 --> 01:15:53,000
Speaker 20: strip feeding of positive AI spend and deals and announcements

1661
01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:55,160
Speaker 20: has helped this. But you know, there are a few

1662
01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:57,479
Speaker 20: reminders of risks out there still. You know, the US

1663
01:15:57,960 --> 01:16:02,439
Speaker 20: government shutdown that's nearing the longest ever. The China US

1664
01:16:03,080 --> 01:16:07,040
Speaker 20: deal or trade agreement was pretty lukewarm, pretty light on detail,

1665
01:16:07,200 --> 01:16:09,639
Speaker 20: so you know, maybe not cooling the trade war at all.

1666
01:16:10,120 --> 01:16:12,080
Speaker 20: And then you know, you had this Bury news last night,

1667
01:16:12,120 --> 01:16:14,479
Speaker 20: and then some other Wall Street executives too, just calling

1668
01:16:14,920 --> 01:16:17,000
Speaker 20: or just warning of a potential AI bubble. And then

1669
01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:19,800
Speaker 20: and then finally, you know, market valuations there are very

1670
01:16:19,880 --> 01:16:21,840
Speaker 20: high verse history at the moment, so you don't need

1671
01:16:21,920 --> 01:16:24,559
Speaker 20: much negative news for a short shart pullback.

1672
01:16:25,439 --> 01:16:27,280
Speaker 3: Here in New Zealand, we're seeing some green shoots out.

1673
01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:29,080
Speaker 3: We got the Freightways in the ports of Toating, they're

1674
01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:30,280
Speaker 3: having quite strong updates.

1675
01:16:31,800 --> 01:16:34,080
Speaker 20: Yeah, that's right back in New Zealand. So starting with

1676
01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:37,280
Speaker 20: starting with Freightways. You know, Freightways is a career and

1677
01:16:37,400 --> 01:16:39,680
Speaker 20: delivery company, so it is it is generally seen as

1678
01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:43,479
Speaker 20: a really good bell weather for local activity in New Zealand,

1679
01:16:43,560 --> 01:16:45,400
Speaker 20: and they had a strong update last week at their

1680
01:16:45,439 --> 01:16:48,479
Speaker 20: AGM there. Their first quarter profits are up around twenty

1681
01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:52,479
Speaker 20: percent versus last year, and importantly they're seeing volumes or

1682
01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:55,800
Speaker 20: same customer volumes starting to grow versus last year. So

1683
01:16:55,880 --> 01:16:58,960
Speaker 20: that's that's pretty clear that there's some cyclical recovery coming

1684
01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:03,000
Speaker 20: through there. And then Portaturing yeah, also you know their

1685
01:17:03,040 --> 01:17:05,479
Speaker 20: first guidance in there for the year and then their

1686
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:09,720
Speaker 20: first quarter volume update again looking for mid to low

1687
01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:12,960
Speaker 20: teens profit growth, and then their volumes are up nine percent.

1688
01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:17,639
Speaker 20: And we know exports are very strong at the moment dairy, kiwi,

1689
01:17:17,680 --> 01:17:19,360
Speaker 20: fruit and the like, but there's also bound to be

1690
01:17:19,439 --> 01:17:22,280
Speaker 20: some really good import growth coming through there, so potentially

1691
01:17:22,400 --> 01:17:25,760
Speaker 20: that's consumers bringing in some more goods and feeling a

1692
01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:28,880
Speaker 20: bit better. So yeah, another couple of data points there

1693
01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:31,360
Speaker 20: showing that, you know, hopefully we're through the worst of

1694
01:17:31,479 --> 01:17:33,280
Speaker 20: the economics cycle here in New Zealand.

1695
01:17:33,439 --> 01:17:35,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, good stuff. Jeremy always good to talk to you.

1696
01:17:35,160 --> 01:17:39,160
Speaker 3: Thank you mate. That's Jeremy Hutton, Milford Asset Management. I

1697
01:17:39,320 --> 01:17:41,840
Speaker 3: thought that we might be able to get through this

1698
01:17:42,200 --> 01:17:45,240
Speaker 3: entire period without this coming up, but no, it came up,

1699
01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:49,639
Speaker 3: not because of Kathy's text, but because of Winnie. Heather,

1700
01:17:50,160 --> 01:17:52,240
Speaker 3: go Winnie in New Zealand. First, how do we sign

1701
01:17:52,280 --> 01:17:54,360
Speaker 3: the private fireworks band in for once and for all.

1702
01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:58,160
Speaker 3: Stop this ridiculous celebration every year. Thank you, Kathy. I

1703
01:17:58,200 --> 01:18:00,120
Speaker 3: don't know if you've seen it. I try to ignore it. Yes,

1704
01:18:00,120 --> 01:18:02,759
Speaker 3: today Winston Peters announced that he wants to ban private

1705
01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:06,360
Speaker 3: firework sales. Here's the thing. If Winston actually wanted to

1706
01:18:06,439 --> 01:18:08,400
Speaker 3: ban them and didn't want to just you know, make

1707
01:18:08,479 --> 01:18:10,680
Speaker 3: people like Kathy get excited that he's going to ban them,

1708
01:18:10,760 --> 01:18:12,479
Speaker 3: he would ban them because he's in a thing called

1709
01:18:12,560 --> 01:18:15,479
Speaker 3: government and they have the ability to do that. And

1710
01:18:15,560 --> 01:18:17,040
Speaker 3: the fact that he's what is it, it's a private

1711
01:18:17,080 --> 01:18:19,639
Speaker 3: members bill, isn't it, Laura. Yeah, it's a private members

1712
01:18:19,680 --> 01:18:23,040
Speaker 3: but no private members bill is when they do that

1713
01:18:23,200 --> 01:18:25,280
Speaker 3: thing to make you think they're doing something but they're

1714
01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:27,479
Speaker 3: not actually doing something, but it gets you excited and

1715
01:18:27,560 --> 01:18:29,840
Speaker 3: makes you think that, which is enough for Winston. He's like,

1716
01:18:29,960 --> 01:18:31,720
Speaker 3: they think I'm going to do something, he ain't going

1717
01:18:31,800 --> 01:18:35,080
Speaker 3: to do anything. And in any case, I don't isn't

1718
01:18:36,040 --> 01:18:38,479
Speaker 3: for some reason this year. I mean, look, I might

1719
01:18:38,600 --> 01:18:41,400
Speaker 3: swing wildly from year to year. I feel like last

1720
01:18:41,479 --> 01:18:43,360
Speaker 3: year I wanted it banned. In this year I don't care.

1721
01:18:43,400 --> 01:18:45,280
Speaker 3: But this year I really don't care. It really hasn't

1722
01:18:45,280 --> 01:18:47,840
Speaker 3: been that offensive. Has it been that offensive that hardly

1723
01:18:47,880 --> 01:18:50,080
Speaker 3: hurt a single firework? Maybe I heard a couple pop

1724
01:18:50,120 --> 01:18:51,720
Speaker 3: off the other day and that was the end of that.

1725
01:18:51,920 --> 01:18:54,519
Speaker 3: I'm just not that exercise. This year six twenty two.

1726
01:18:55,160 --> 01:18:59,160
Speaker 1: Everything from SMS to the big corporates, The Business Hour

1727
01:18:59,439 --> 01:19:04,479
Speaker 1: with heavy Sellen banned Mass for insurance investments and uya,

1728
01:19:04,920 --> 01:19:05,840
Speaker 1: you're in good hands.

1729
01:19:06,160 --> 01:19:08,840
Speaker 3: News talks env my gosh, speak of the devil as

1730
01:19:08,920 --> 01:19:11,439
Speaker 3: we were talking about it. In fact, just after we

1731
01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:13,360
Speaker 3: were talking about it, stuff just sent an alert to

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Speaker 3: my phone saying, and the headline is Winston Peters says

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Speaker 3: banning fireworks will be a bottom line and coalition negotiations whatever.

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Speaker 2: No, they weren't.

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Speaker 3: What a load of jeezy stringing this nonsense?

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Speaker 2: Long, isn't he?

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Speaker 3: Can you imagine the imagine Winston going no, I'm not no,

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01:19:29,400 --> 01:19:31,080
Speaker 3: I'm not going to i don't want to be in

1739
01:19:31,120 --> 01:19:33,680
Speaker 3: government because you absolutely refused to ban sparklers and I

1740
01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:36,880
Speaker 3: hate sparklers. So I'm sitting this one out. You go

1741
01:19:37,080 --> 01:19:39,880
Speaker 3: for it, acton and national I won't be doing that

1742
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:45,360
Speaker 3: on account of the Roman candles or whatever. Whatever. There's

1743
01:19:45,400 --> 01:19:49,000
Speaker 3: a report out today on sick days which points out

1744
01:19:49,080 --> 01:19:51,120
Speaker 3: that we are now taking more sick days in this

1745
01:19:51,240 --> 01:19:53,360
Speaker 3: country because we have more sick days, right, because you

1746
01:19:53,439 --> 01:19:55,920
Speaker 3: remember labor just send them double the number of sick

1747
01:19:56,000 --> 01:19:58,840
Speaker 3: days that we're entitled to. It was three years ago

1748
01:19:58,880 --> 01:20:00,639
Speaker 3: as five and a half sick days that we were taken.

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01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:02,519
Speaker 3: A year now it's jumped up to six point seven.

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Speaker 3: I'm not really surprised by that, because I mean, you

1751
01:20:05,560 --> 01:20:07,760
Speaker 3: could argue that the reason that we were given more

1752
01:20:07,800 --> 01:20:10,640
Speaker 3: sick days is because we needed more sick days. We

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01:20:10,840 --> 01:20:12,920
Speaker 3: clearly did if we're taking five and a half when

1754
01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:15,479
Speaker 3: we only had five, so we clearly needed more. So

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Speaker 3: the fact that we are then using our now new

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01:20:18,200 --> 01:20:22,000
Speaker 3: allocation is not a surprise. However, let me points you

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Speaker 3: to the public service government workers took an average of

1758
01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:28,920
Speaker 3: nearly two more sick days than people who work for

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Speaker 3: private employers, with an average of six point five for

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Speaker 3: the private sector and eight point four for workers in

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Speaker 3: public sector organizations. What are surprised to hear that there

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Speaker 3: are more days of leave being taken by the public

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Speaker 3: sector workers than the rest of us six twenty six.

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Speaker 2: There's no business like show business.

1765
01:20:53,760 --> 01:20:59,000
Speaker 3: Kinkardashian reality TV star, entrepreneur, lawyer now an actress. She

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01:20:59,200 --> 01:21:01,639
Speaker 3: is starring in the new show. It's made by Ryan Murphy.

1767
01:21:01,720 --> 01:21:04,000
Speaker 3: This is the guy who made Glee American horror show

1768
01:21:04,040 --> 01:21:06,519
Speaker 3: The Jeffrey Darmer Show on Netflix. The show is called

1769
01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:09,200
Speaker 3: All's Fair and it follows a group of female divorce

1770
01:21:09,280 --> 01:21:10,960
Speaker 3: lawyers trying to screw each other over.

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Speaker 22: We got married when I miss I'm still an undercrowd.

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01:21:14,680 --> 01:21:15,840
Speaker 19: We were in all it was.

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Speaker 2: All perfect except for this one small thing.

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Speaker 23: I trusted it with men.

1775
01:21:22,120 --> 01:21:26,519
Speaker 3: They are terrified of women in power. The show also

1776
01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:30,880
Speaker 3: stars Glenn Close, Naomi Watts, Sarah Paulson and Nissi Nash,

1777
01:21:30,960 --> 01:21:35,920
Speaker 3: Which sounds great, right like Glenn Coos, Naomi Watts. That's

1778
01:21:35,960 --> 01:21:39,360
Speaker 3: a good Camcay, that's a good cast. No, not at all.

1779
01:21:39,880 --> 01:21:42,600
Speaker 3: The reviews have just dropped. It's got zero percent on

1780
01:21:42,720 --> 01:21:46,439
Speaker 3: rockton Tomatoes. Audiences have given it a two point four

1781
01:21:46,600 --> 01:21:50,120
Speaker 3: out of ten on Metacritic. The Times Ben Dowell says

1782
01:21:50,160 --> 01:21:54,439
Speaker 3: it might be the worst show of the year. The Telegraph, No,

1783
01:21:54,560 --> 01:21:57,639
Speaker 3: it gets worse. The Telegraph's ed powers is the show

1784
01:21:57,760 --> 01:22:02,360
Speaker 3: is a crime against television. But if, like our lovely

1785
01:22:02,479 --> 01:22:06,080
Speaker 3: Sam the producer, you are determined not to believe this,

1786
01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:10,080
Speaker 3: and you want to do your own research and form

1787
01:22:10,160 --> 01:22:13,840
Speaker 3: your own opinion. The first three episodes of the show

1788
01:22:13,960 --> 01:22:20,000
Speaker 3: are on Disney Plus Now and Sam's advices run don't walk.

1789
01:22:21,320 --> 01:22:21,680
Speaker 14: Up to you.

1790
01:22:22,160 --> 01:22:25,439
Speaker 3: I'm just warning you. It sounds like a load of shite,

1791
01:22:25,680 --> 01:22:29,160
Speaker 3: doesn't it. Gnative Charaney, don't take my word for it,

1792
01:22:29,280 --> 01:22:31,960
Speaker 3: take the word at everybody else. Gnative Chariney's with us.

1793
01:22:32,040 --> 01:22:34,920
Speaker 11: Next she.

1794
01:22:37,280 --> 01:22:40,120
Speaker 2: I'm gonna buy a nose. Let her ride in the

1795
01:22:40,280 --> 01:22:48,920
Speaker 2: forum in me. Oh, share the honorable bake. If it's

1796
01:22:49,000 --> 01:22:51,160
Speaker 2: to do with money, it matters to you.

1797
01:22:51,720 --> 01:22:55,640
Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Heather dup Clan and MAS for

1798
01:22:55,800 --> 01:22:59,280
Speaker 1: Insurance Investments and Julie Saber and you're in good hands.

1799
01:23:01,360 --> 01:23:02,600
Speaker 2: Could you're taking me.

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01:23:06,040 --> 01:23:06,680
Speaker 6: What did you name?

1801
01:23:10,360 --> 01:23:12,080
Speaker 3: We're going to have Gavin Gray out of the UK

1802
01:23:12,320 --> 01:23:13,960
Speaker 3: and ten minutes time get him to talk us through

1803
01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:16,439
Speaker 3: this BBC bias problem and just put it, put it

1804
01:23:16,479 --> 01:23:18,639
Speaker 3: in context, like how big is this? Because Enda thinks

1805
01:23:18,680 --> 01:23:22,519
Speaker 3: it's an enormous deal, but then we actually Offenda says

1806
01:23:22,520 --> 01:23:24,760
Speaker 3: it's an enormous deal, it probably isn't an enormous deal.

1807
01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:28,400
Speaker 3: Hither if anyone ever wanted the definition of an oxymoron,

1808
01:23:28,720 --> 01:23:32,920
Speaker 3: how could you possibly go past the public service? Who

1809
01:23:33,520 --> 01:23:36,160
Speaker 3: excellent point is that when you get into the public service,

1810
01:23:36,439 --> 01:23:38,080
Speaker 3: the last thing you do is actually try to serve

1811
01:23:38,160 --> 01:23:39,720
Speaker 3: the public. What you're trying to do is work from

1812
01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:42,040
Speaker 3: home and take sick leave. Twenty four away from seven

1813
01:23:42,240 --> 01:23:45,040
Speaker 3: Jane Tip Cheriney, the Herald's Wellington Business editors with us.

1814
01:23:45,040 --> 01:23:48,720
Speaker 3: Hello Janey, Hi, Heather. Okay, So now that now that

1815
01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:51,360
Speaker 3: Michael Riddell has taken the blog down and got it

1816
01:23:51,520 --> 01:23:54,160
Speaker 3: unpublished from the London based outfit, is that the end

1817
01:23:54,200 --> 01:23:55,840
Speaker 3: of the legal action from Adrian.

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01:23:55,680 --> 01:23:59,960
Speaker 22: Or it would appear so so Adrian Or wasn't very

1819
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:03,799
Speaker 22: happy with Michael Riddell. He's a former Reserve Bank staffer.

1820
01:24:04,240 --> 01:24:06,160
Speaker 22: He's had a long history work for the Treasury of

1821
01:24:06,160 --> 01:24:09,920
Speaker 22: the IMF. Michael has been a long standing critic of

1822
01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:12,400
Speaker 22: the Reserve Bank and he has this blog which all

1823
01:24:12,479 --> 01:24:16,880
Speaker 22: the nerdy insiders read, and he has been meticulously doing

1824
01:24:17,040 --> 01:24:21,960
Speaker 22: official information at requests and documenting the saga around Adrian

1825
01:24:22,080 --> 01:24:25,920
Speaker 22: Or also criticizing the Reserve Bank's policymaking. So it would

1826
01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:29,120
Speaker 22: appear that Adrian had enough, but he definitely didn't like

1827
01:24:29,160 --> 01:24:33,280
Speaker 22: an article that Michael wrote for a central banking London

1828
01:24:33,320 --> 01:24:37,439
Speaker 22: based magazine got Michael here and case on the case

1829
01:24:37,960 --> 01:24:41,120
Speaker 22: came in with a big threat and the article was

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01:24:41,320 --> 01:24:46,720
Speaker 22: taken down. So interestingly, the Reserve Bank also complained to

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01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:51,960
Speaker 22: the London based publication. Its lawyer came down super hard.

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Speaker 22: It's just actually released just this afternoon a letter under

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01:24:56,200 --> 01:24:59,680
Speaker 22: the Official Information Act, you know, showing exactly what the

1834
01:24:59,720 --> 01:25:04,479
Speaker 22: Reserve Bank lawyers. He came down very strongly. So between

1835
01:25:04,960 --> 01:25:09,040
Speaker 22: the KC and the Reserve Bank, the Central Banking magazine

1836
01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:10,280
Speaker 22: took the thing down.

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Speaker 3: Have you read the article?

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01:25:13,680 --> 01:25:17,400
Speaker 22: I have, because Michael Riddell had it on his blog

1839
01:25:17,479 --> 01:25:18,960
Speaker 22: for a time, and I did catch it.

1840
01:25:19,000 --> 01:25:20,959
Speaker 3: Did so spot the old mistakes.

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01:25:22,880 --> 01:25:28,560
Speaker 22: Basically Michael documented he basically wrote about a lot of

1842
01:25:28,640 --> 01:25:31,400
Speaker 22: what he had previously written about in his blog. So

1843
01:25:31,520 --> 01:25:34,639
Speaker 22: there was nothing that people haven't sort of heard before.

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01:25:34,760 --> 01:25:39,760
Speaker 22: Nothing hasn't been discussed in circles before. But you know,

1845
01:25:40,160 --> 01:25:43,760
Speaker 22: you have to be very careful when you do make allegations,

1846
01:25:43,880 --> 01:25:48,160
Speaker 22: and and you know, so I suppose I won't pass

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01:25:48,240 --> 01:25:51,120
Speaker 22: judgment on whether it was defamatory. But there wasn't any

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01:25:51,240 --> 01:25:53,960
Speaker 22: sort of anything in there that hasn't been discussed in

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01:25:54,240 --> 01:25:55,240
Speaker 22: Michael's blogs.

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01:25:54,960 --> 01:25:57,800
Speaker 3: In the past. Okay, now, the Reserve Bank released its

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01:25:57,840 --> 01:25:59,760
Speaker 3: Financial Stability Report. What are they worried about?

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01:26:01,800 --> 01:26:03,800
Speaker 22: Yeah, so for once, they're not that worried about the

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01:26:03,840 --> 01:26:06,720
Speaker 22: property market. So they note that house prices are at

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01:26:06,720 --> 01:26:11,400
Speaker 22: the upper end of sustainable. Of course, they've come down

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01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:14,240
Speaker 22: a lot since they peaked in twenty twenty one. The

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01:26:14,320 --> 01:26:18,160
Speaker 22: Reserve Bank thinks new lending isn't too risky, but what

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01:26:18,280 --> 01:26:20,960
Speaker 22: it is worried about is the equity market. So it

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01:26:21,240 --> 01:26:24,920
Speaker 22: says that there could be vulnerabilities below the recovery that

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01:26:25,000 --> 01:26:28,840
Speaker 22: we've seen since Donald Trump announced as his tariffs. It

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01:26:28,920 --> 01:26:32,240
Speaker 22: particularly notes you know, things could turn if investors start

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01:26:32,280 --> 01:26:35,759
Speaker 22: to get worried about those highly valued tech and AI stocks.

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Speaker 22: You know, those are arguably overvalued. There's a lot of

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Speaker 22: talk about those being a bubble. The Bank is also

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Speaker 22: worried about health insurance. So people have noticed that their

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01:26:45,320 --> 01:26:49,320
Speaker 22: health insurance premiums have gone up by nineteen percent over

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Speaker 22: the past year, which is huge. The bank, you know,

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Speaker 22: notes that health insurers are dealing with cost increases in

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Speaker 22: the health sector and is sort of keeping a close

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01:26:59,600 --> 01:27:02,439
Speaker 22: eye on them books. So that's a bit unfortunate because

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01:27:02,640 --> 01:27:08,160
Speaker 22: just as those home insurance premiums stopped rising super rapidly,

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01:27:08,320 --> 01:27:10,160
Speaker 22: now we have health insurance going up.

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01:27:10,600 --> 01:27:13,800
Speaker 3: Now, how does health insurance affect financial stability?

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Speaker 22: Well, the Reserve Bank regulates insurance, so it keeps an

1874
01:27:21,080 --> 01:27:26,439
Speaker 22: eye on their financials and that's why insurance is part

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01:27:26,479 --> 01:27:27,040
Speaker 22: of their.

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01:27:28,360 --> 01:27:30,400
Speaker 23: Okay, you know, as part.

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Speaker 3: Of them they look at Yeah, yeah, yeah, all right,

1878
01:27:32,520 --> 01:27:33,000
Speaker 3: it does.

1879
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Speaker 22: Fall into their perview. So we never really talk about

1880
01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:37,200
Speaker 22: health insurance. You know, it's all about the housing market.

1881
01:27:37,320 --> 01:27:40,080
Speaker 22: So for once, the health insurance a little bit in

1882
01:27:40,120 --> 01:27:41,280
Speaker 22: their report was quite interesting.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that is fascinating. He thanks very much. Appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Jenna Tibterrani, The Herald's Wellington Business editor, twenty away from seven.

1885
01:27:49,439 --> 01:27:53,599
Speaker 3: I think this is really interesting. The immigration compliance teams

1886
01:27:53,800 --> 01:27:56,559
Speaker 3: are starting a crackdown on beauty salons and nail parlors.

1887
01:27:57,200 --> 01:28:01,080
Speaker 3: So they think that the beauty salons and nail parlors, well,

1888
01:28:01,120 --> 01:28:02,880
Speaker 3: not all of them, but some of them are linked

1889
01:28:02,920 --> 01:28:05,560
Speaker 3: to organized crime and money laundering operations and as a

1890
01:28:05,640 --> 01:28:08,759
Speaker 3: result they've been cracking down them and visited about seventeen

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Speaker 3: sites just recently.

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01:28:10,479 --> 01:28:10,599
Speaker 9: Now.

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01:28:11,000 --> 01:28:15,560
Speaker 3: The reason I'm fascinated by that is because there is

1894
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:18,479
Speaker 3: I'm not going to name names, but there is a

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01:28:18,560 --> 01:28:21,360
Speaker 3: nail salon not far from where I live, and I'll

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01:28:21,400 --> 01:28:23,720
Speaker 3: tell you what they might want to pay that one

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01:28:23,760 --> 01:28:27,120
Speaker 3: a visit. There's no one in there, ever, Isn't that weird?

1898
01:28:27,439 --> 01:28:29,400
Speaker 3: Like if you're if you're in a part of the

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01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:33,000
Speaker 3: city where I know for a fact that you are

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01:28:33,120 --> 01:28:36,320
Speaker 3: paying shed loads of money to have a rental, Like

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01:28:36,520 --> 01:28:38,799
Speaker 3: your lease is costing you so much money that everybody

1902
01:28:38,840 --> 01:28:41,080
Speaker 3: else around you is shut up shop, but you're still

1903
01:28:41,120 --> 01:28:42,680
Speaker 3: managing to go. And every time I look in there,

1904
01:28:42,680 --> 01:28:44,800
Speaker 3: there's like a couple of ladies look back at me

1905
01:28:44,920 --> 01:28:47,439
Speaker 3: and there's like one person having their toes done. Boys,

1906
01:28:47,479 --> 01:28:50,320
Speaker 3: think where are you getting your dollars from? And then

1907
01:28:50,320 --> 01:28:51,920
Speaker 3: one time I decided to go in and then I

1908
01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:53,400
Speaker 3: was like, I don't know where you're getting your dollars

1909
01:28:53,400 --> 01:28:55,760
Speaker 3: from because you just you're shit at your job, aren't you.

1910
01:28:55,880 --> 01:28:57,920
Speaker 3: It was rubbish. I can't even remember how much I

1911
01:28:57,920 --> 01:28:59,919
Speaker 3: paid for a pedicure, but that was money. I immediately

1912
01:29:00,080 --> 01:29:03,000
Speaker 3: regretted having to spend. Got nothing of the sort anyway.

1913
01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:06,680
Speaker 3: YouTube so on ins it on air, as I told

1914
01:29:06,680 --> 01:29:08,519
Speaker 3: you earlier, has done this study into like what's going

1915
01:29:08,560 --> 01:29:10,240
Speaker 3: on with YouTube and how many kids. I was quite

1916
01:29:10,439 --> 01:29:13,080
Speaker 3: I'm quite surprised at the number of kids who are

1917
01:29:13,120 --> 01:29:16,439
Speaker 3: on YouTube every single day, mainly because of the ages.

1918
01:29:16,479 --> 01:29:19,760
Speaker 3: So it's four to fourteen. Now I can understand if

1919
01:29:19,800 --> 01:29:21,840
Speaker 3: a fourteen year old is maybe getting a little bit

1920
01:29:21,880 --> 01:29:25,240
Speaker 3: of even every day every day. Ah, we're giving you

1921
01:29:25,520 --> 01:29:28,080
Speaker 3: fourteen year olds YouTube every day because have they got

1922
01:29:28,120 --> 01:29:31,200
Speaker 3: their own phones at the stage or something. Anyway, So

1923
01:29:32,520 --> 01:29:35,960
Speaker 3: sixty nine percent of them four to fourteen, sixty nine

1924
01:29:36,040 --> 01:29:39,320
Speaker 3: percent of kids are on YouTube every single day, and

1925
01:29:39,439 --> 01:29:42,040
Speaker 3: from the ages from the like preteen to teen, so

1926
01:29:42,320 --> 01:29:45,559
Speaker 3: twelve to fourteen, forty percent of them have no parental controls,

1927
01:29:45,560 --> 01:29:47,439
Speaker 3: so what they are doing on YouTube is entirely up

1928
01:29:47,479 --> 01:29:49,320
Speaker 3: to them, which I suppose is kind of like an

1929
01:29:49,400 --> 01:29:54,519
Speaker 3: interesting parenting decision. The most interesting shows for kids this

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01:29:54,600 --> 01:29:56,760
Speaker 3: is where Insit on Air has stepped in. So the

1931
01:29:56,840 --> 01:29:59,679
Speaker 3: most interesting show the shows that kids love the most

1932
01:30:00,360 --> 01:30:03,640
Speaker 3: for preschoolers is Bluey at thirty eight percent, which you

1933
01:30:03,680 --> 01:30:06,879
Speaker 3: can understand because blue is an awesome show. Poor Patrol

1934
01:30:07,120 --> 01:30:10,280
Speaker 3: at twenty five percent, which honestly I don't understand as much.

1935
01:30:10,360 --> 01:30:12,880
Speaker 3: But my kid loves Poor Patrol. He's not watching it

1936
01:30:12,920 --> 01:30:15,439
Speaker 3: on YouTube though, by the way, he's watching it on Netflix,

1937
01:30:15,479 --> 01:30:17,719
Speaker 3: which I somehow makes me feel better about the situation.

1938
01:30:18,000 --> 01:30:19,960
Speaker 3: I don't know why anyway. I don't understand why Poor

1939
01:30:20,000 --> 01:30:23,040
Speaker 3: Patrol is that popular because the lead character we've discussed this,

1940
01:30:23,320 --> 01:30:26,720
Speaker 3: Chase is an idiot. He's just annoying, and Marshall is

1941
01:30:26,760 --> 01:30:28,600
Speaker 3: a greater idiot. But anyway, the kids are into it

1942
01:30:28,640 --> 01:30:31,160
Speaker 3: twenty five percent. And then Spidey and Friends, which I

1943
01:30:31,200 --> 01:30:33,960
Speaker 3: didn't know existed until now, it's sixteen percent. The Kiwi

1944
01:30:34,080 --> 01:30:38,519
Speaker 3: shows Kerrie and Lou and Ninoor You ever heard of them? No,

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Speaker 3: that's why they're setting up their own YouTube accounts, so

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Speaker 3: the kids can start watching that. When they get to

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Speaker 3: about twelve to fourteen, they're not watching shows as much anymore.

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Speaker 3: They're starting to do the gaming and they're starting to

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Speaker 3: do the social media TikTok. One and three of the

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Speaker 3: kids are doing that Snapchat one and three of the

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Speaker 3: kids are still doing it at Instagram. One and five

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Speaker 3: of the kids are doing it. Ego, there's the numbers,

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Speaker 3: seventeen away from seven.

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Speaker 2: Approaching the numbers and getting the results.

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Speaker 1: It's hither d the c Ellen with the Business Hour

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Speaker 1: and mayors for insurance investments, Ken Quey Saber, you're in

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Speaker 1: good hands, News Talks d B.

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Speaker 3: Hither look at the tire shops when you drive by,

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Speaker 3: almost always empty. They always look sus interesting. Thanks, So

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Speaker 3: I will do fourteen away from seven. Gavin Gray UK

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Speaker 3: correspondences with us. Hello, Gevin right, So, Kimmy Bedknock is

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Speaker 3: now coming in for the BBC.

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Speaker 2: Is she Yes, she is?

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Speaker 21: And there's a growing clamor that today there could be

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Speaker 21: some pretty tricky questions being put in Commons the House

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Speaker 21: of Commons today and particularly aimed at the Culture Secretary,

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Speaker 21: because what happened is in a program a documentary just

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Speaker 21: one week before the US election last year, two parts

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Speaker 21: of a speech that were delivered by Donald Trump appeared

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Speaker 21: to be stitched together, edited together to make it appear

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Speaker 21: as if the President was encouraging supporters to riot. Those

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Speaker 21: are the allegations. So the quote that was played was this,

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Speaker 21: We're going to walk down to the Capitol and I'll

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Speaker 21: be there with you, and we fight.

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Speaker 2: We fight like hell.

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Speaker 21: And if you don't like fight like hell, then you're

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Speaker 21: not going to have a country anymore. However, Donald Trump

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Speaker 21: had actually told his supporters to walk to the capital

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Speaker 21: to quote peacefully and patriotically make their voices heard. So

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Speaker 21: that sentence peacefully and patriotically make the voices heard is

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Speaker 21: what is said to have been edited out, and a

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Speaker 21: former BBC journalist and now turned whistlebler, Michael Prescott, has

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Speaker 21: written this lengthy report basically claiming that the public broadcaster

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Speaker 21: has a huge bars against Donald Trump and others and

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Speaker 21: says he was rather struck by the fact this program

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Speaker 21: had an anti Trump stance and there was not a

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Speaker 21: program made about Kamala Harris in a similar vein, and

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Speaker 21: saying that in itself was unfair. So he's issued a

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Speaker 21: nineteen page dossier and the former journalist is also accusing,

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Speaker 21: incidentally the BBC of pushing hamas lies. That's his quote

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Speaker 21: over the coverage of the Warrior gads Us. So some

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Speaker 21: of these issues may be brought up in Parliament today

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Speaker 21: and kem a budden up, the head of the Opposition,

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Speaker 21: demanding heads role at the BBC over this.

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Speaker 3: Do you think it has got to the stage where

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Speaker 3: the public want to see his role or is this

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Speaker 3: still just a political thing, a bit of about way

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Speaker 3: thing now?

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Speaker 21: I don't think. I mean, the BBC has made a

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Speaker 21: big play in a recent campaign saying you can trust us.

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Speaker 21: We are you know, we're fighting for the truth and

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Speaker 21: we're fighting to bring you the truth every day, every

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Speaker 21: hour of every day sort of thing that the promotion goes.

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Speaker 21: And you can't have that in one hand and then

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Speaker 21: be accused of something else without the thing being threshed

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Speaker 21: out and heard. And I think it's extremely interesting that

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Speaker 21: while some are saying heads miss role here at the

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Speaker 21: moment the Culture Secretary saying well, I think we need to,

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Speaker 21: you know, hear what the BBC has to say about this,

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Speaker 21: and is much more cautious of this. But there's no

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Speaker 21: doubt that. You know that the traditional media here losing

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Speaker 21: a lot of viewers and listeners and readers to social

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Speaker 21: media outlets and there is a huge concern over the

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Speaker 21: future of news. This would be a very very big

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Speaker 21: punch to the stomach and it will hurt a lot

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Speaker 21: of traditional broadcast as if the BBC has found to

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Speaker 21: be playing fast.

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Speaker 2: And loose in this edit.

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Speaker 3: Hey, how much did Ellen bites gip?

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Speaker 21: Well, it looks like multimillion New Zealand dollars. So Alan

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Speaker 21: Bates is the Post Office campaigner and the payout for

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Speaker 21: Alan comes more than twenty years after he started a

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Speaker 21: campaign for justice for victims of the Horizon scandal. That

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Speaker 21: scandal the Horizon is the name of the computer program

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Speaker 21: that was put into post offices but simply wasn't working

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Speaker 21: properly and it led to some postmasters being accused of

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Speaker 21: stealing money which they hadn't and some of them were

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Speaker 21: sentenced to prison, and some of them even took their

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Speaker 21: own life. Sir Alan led this campaign at vast expense

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Speaker 21: to his own standing, his own health. And although we're

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Speaker 21: not going to get an exact figure made public unless

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Speaker 21: he does, I guess this is a very very large

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Speaker 21: sum of money. Between turned nineteen ninety nine and twenty fifteen,

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Speaker 21: more than nine hundred subpostmasters were wrongfully prosecuted after this

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Speaker 21: faulty horizon it system indicated shortfalls in branch accounts, and

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Speaker 21: hundreds more poured their own money into their branch to

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Speaker 21: make up the apparent shortfalls.

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Speaker 3: Gevin good to talk to you. We'll talk to you

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Speaker 3: in a couple of guys days again, That'skevin Gray are

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Speaker 3: UK corresponding? Heither what about pepper peg not on the list?

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Speaker 2: Not on the list?

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Speaker 3: Pepper peg ism. Somebody said to me pepper peg is

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Speaker 3: like crack the kids, And it kind of is like

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Speaker 3: if you're scrolling, you know, when you're scrolling on the

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Speaker 3: TV and you go past something and it plays a

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Speaker 3: little clip, like if you're on Apple TV and you're

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Speaker 3: looking for the morning show and then you go past

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Speaker 3: slow horses all but you go past peper Peg. The

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Speaker 3: kids are like, actually, I just want to watch that.

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Speaker 3: You're like, no heroin for children, don't need it. You

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Speaker 3: cannot accuse? Can I just say? You cannot accuse David

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Speaker 3: Seymour of not being brave. Might not with him, but

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Speaker 3: I am. I'm here for the conversations that David is starting.

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Speaker 3: He has suggested today he had a breakfast in Wellington

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Speaker 3: and laid out the act Party's policy for energy and

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Speaker 3: suggested a bunch of stuff that a lot of people

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Speaker 3: would absolutely blanch at. But I think we should be

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Speaker 3: talking about. First of all, he reckons, we should talk

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Speaker 3: about selling down the government's fifty one percent stakes in

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Speaker 3: Meridian and Mercury and Genesis. Not a bad idea, because

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Speaker 3: I mean, if you listen to what was suggested in

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Speaker 3: the Frontier report, the fact that the government has a

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Speaker 3: controlling stake in these three companies that compete against each

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Speaker 3: other is actually part of the problem with the electricity

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Speaker 3: the energy system. So why not get rid of them?

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Speaker 3: What's the problem he has? He has suggested we might

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Speaker 3: want to burn more coal, so we get five percent

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Speaker 3: of our energy, our electricity from burning coal, and he

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Speaker 3: reckons why not take it up to ten percent? And

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Speaker 3: I don't have an automatic problem with that, actually, because

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Speaker 3: I think I would if I had a choice of

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Speaker 3: not burning coal and having the lights off or burning

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Speaker 3: coal and having the lights on. I'm there for the

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Speaker 3: last one. And then he also reckons, why don't we

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Speaker 3: consider small nuclear reactors. They're safe by design, and surely

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Speaker 3: god by now we're over that nonsense of the nineteen eighties,

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Speaker 3: aren't we? Surely? Eight away from seven?

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Tooplice Allan Drive Full Show podcast on

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio powered by news dog Zebby.

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Speaker 3: Heather, you always refer to the apple of your eye,

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Speaker 3: your son, but you never mentioned your daughter, Just anxious.

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Speaker 3: That's such a rough thing to say to a parent,

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Speaker 3: like suggesting that they love one more than As a

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Speaker 3: fair point, though, I do talk about him a lot

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Speaker 3: more than her. But do you know why that is?

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Speaker 3: It is only because I mean, it's only because his

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Speaker 3: world is bigger than hers, right, because he's nearly four

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Speaker 3: and he's watching Tally and he's going to Knby and

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Speaker 3: he thinks he's a police officer and he's doing all

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Speaker 3: this stuff, whereas we baby is only ten months old.

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Speaker 3: What are you talking about? I ripped I ripped the

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Speaker 3: Ministry of Health's lady another one the other day when

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Speaker 3: I was going on about the measles jab. For like,

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Speaker 3: we baby got about seven ears seven minutes of primetime

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Speaker 3: air when I just went on about her needing the JAB.

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Speaker 3: So it must be the time. It must be when

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Speaker 3: you're tuning in. She did a very cute thing today though.

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Speaker 3: She got a book out and she pretended to read

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Speaker 3: by pointing at it and yang making noises. So there,

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Speaker 3: now you regret you regret starting that eight because that

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Speaker 3: was a boring story, but for me, it was an

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Speaker 3: awesome story. Anyway, listen, Tom Brady, this is news about

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Speaker 3: Tom Brady. You know what I'm talking about. You know,

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Speaker 3: the superstar over and the NFL quarterback over in the States.

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Speaker 3: Tom Brady's revealed that he cloned his dog. He had

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Speaker 3: a little it was I think it was a pit

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Speaker 3: bull or something called Lua, who died a couple of

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Speaker 3: years ago. So they collected blood and they cloned it

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Speaker 3: into a new dog. JUNI Now the first is your

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Speaker 3: first thought thought about that, not how disappointing that must

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Speaker 3: have been for them, Because the reason you love a

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Speaker 3: pet is because of their personality. Right, So you got

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Speaker 3: this pitbull and it's got a wonderful little personality, you

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Speaker 3: love it, And then does the cloned dog necessarily have

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Speaker 3: the same personality? And would you not just be like, ah,

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Speaker 3: I feel like I would and oh, we're getting into

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Speaker 3: so much room for disappointment.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah.

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Speaker 24: I mean, I guess at the same time has only

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Speaker 24: alternatives to get a different dog, which is going to

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Speaker 24: have a different personality, right, So I mean.

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Speaker 3: This is probably do you wanted Lure, didn't you?

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Speaker 24: Well you're going to well Lui is gone. Now you

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Speaker 24: have to accept loss at some point in life, don't.

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Speaker 24: Like I said, very deep and philosophical that question Ariels

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Speaker 24: by System of a Down to play us out tonight.

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Speaker 24: I'll tell you why. Yeah, exactly as we were talking

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Speaker 24: to Jack tamily you asked him what whether he was

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Speaker 24: going to Metallica. This is what he said.

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Speaker 26: Do you know, I'm not I'm actually more of a

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Speaker 26: System of a Down guy.

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Speaker 24: So there you go next, All, once you get your

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Speaker 24: twenty concerts a year at Edon Park and you're wondering

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Speaker 24: how to get Jack Tayman has set out well book

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Speaker 24: System of a Down. That's clearly you do. A System

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Speaker 24: of a Down is still together. I'm not sure anyway,

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Speaker 24: this is Ariels, do you know.

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Speaker 3: Like I didn't know it was Metallica or System of

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Speaker 3: a Down. Like you know how back in the nineties

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Speaker 3: it was Away Ciscil, Blair, Blur, and in the sixties

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Speaker 3: it was like the Rolling Stones or the Beatles. The

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Speaker 3: Beatles is it? Is it metallicall system of a down.

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Speaker 24: I would not have a clue whether it's Jack's genre.

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Speaker 24: Nexton was going to have to book, know, Calvin Harris

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Speaker 24: or something to get me out.

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Speaker 3: It's not a bad idea. And I'll say that to

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Speaker 3: him when I go to the cricket tonight. Go to

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Speaker 3: the cricket, Go the black Caps. See you tomorrow.

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