1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,547 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:11,547 Speaker 1: from News Talk. 3 00:00:11,467 --> 00:00:15,587 Speaker 2: ZEDB afternoons about this time, James mcconey. 4 00:00:15,227 --> 00:00:17,667 Speaker 3: Hello mate, how are you pineying? 5 00:00:17,667 --> 00:00:21,027 Speaker 2: You're right great, Thank you, very very good. Yes, looking 6 00:00:21,067 --> 00:00:24,067 Speaker 2: forward to chatting a bunch of stuff with you. Can 7 00:00:24,107 --> 00:00:26,787 Speaker 2: we start with the black Caps? What did you make 8 00:00:26,827 --> 00:00:29,307 Speaker 2: of their win in Wellington? Were you happy with all 9 00:00:29,347 --> 00:00:32,187 Speaker 2: of the moving parts behind the black Caps victory? 10 00:00:33,027 --> 00:00:38,347 Speaker 3: Yeah, comprehensive. I'm a big fan of TikTok of tech now. 11 00:00:38,427 --> 00:00:41,827 Speaker 3: I think that he's a player who can do something 12 00:00:41,867 --> 00:00:44,787 Speaker 3: at test level. He's got that steepling sort of bounce 13 00:00:44,827 --> 00:00:48,867 Speaker 3: and actually his test average bowling average I think I 14 00:00:48,867 --> 00:00:50,987 Speaker 3: tweeted this out and proof from something like thirty six 15 00:00:51,027 --> 00:00:55,267 Speaker 3: to twenty nine with that for FoST so he's down 16 00:00:55,347 --> 00:00:57,627 Speaker 3: under thirty the magic number. So that was good to 17 00:00:57,627 --> 00:01:02,867 Speaker 3: see in Duffy as well, playing a really solid role 18 00:01:02,907 --> 00:01:06,827 Speaker 3: there and dismissing getting those twenty wickets. I was actually 19 00:01:06,827 --> 00:01:10,947 Speaker 3: really interested in everyone's talking about Kin Williamson closing in 20 00:01:11,027 --> 00:01:13,427 Speaker 3: on ten thousand runs and I was just just doing 21 00:01:13,467 --> 00:01:17,987 Speaker 3: a bit of a comparison with Rachen Ravendra after nineteen 22 00:01:18,067 --> 00:01:21,147 Speaker 3: tests and actually Rachen is slightly ahead of Kine. 23 00:01:21,587 --> 00:01:24,027 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I feel like Rachen could be anything he 24 00:01:24,107 --> 00:01:26,747 Speaker 2: wants to be. Will there be enough test cricket for 25 00:01:26,827 --> 00:01:29,307 Speaker 2: him to play though, to get to to get to 26 00:01:29,387 --> 00:01:30,587 Speaker 2: ten thousand. 27 00:01:30,867 --> 00:01:34,747 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, that's the key question. I think our schedule, well, 28 00:01:34,747 --> 00:01:36,947 Speaker 3: it's looking okay next year with it with a tour 29 00:01:36,987 --> 00:01:39,347 Speaker 3: of England and then obviously we've got more tests than 30 00:01:39,387 --> 00:01:41,947 Speaker 3: we've ever had against Australia at the back end of 31 00:01:42,067 --> 00:01:47,947 Speaker 3: the year. So I think we got four against them, yep, yeah. 32 00:01:47,667 --> 00:01:51,187 Speaker 2: Four four tests four So three against England, Yeah, I 33 00:01:51,187 --> 00:01:54,427 Speaker 2: think three against England Magia, two or three against India 34 00:01:54,467 --> 00:01:57,667 Speaker 2: here and then four against Australia. So at least nine 35 00:01:57,707 --> 00:02:00,227 Speaker 2: and maybe ten in the next sort of twelve to 36 00:02:00,267 --> 00:02:01,827 Speaker 2: fourteen months or so. 37 00:02:01,827 --> 00:02:05,947 Speaker 3: So there you go. Rachen at nineteen tests. So after 38 00:02:05,987 --> 00:02:09,147 Speaker 3: ninety test Kaine's average was thirty one. He had three 39 00:02:09,187 --> 00:02:11,947 Speaker 3: tests centuries. Rutchan's got four centuries with an average of 40 00:02:11,947 --> 00:02:14,547 Speaker 3: forty four. But then of course he was that incredible 41 00:02:14,587 --> 00:02:17,427 Speaker 3: purple patch of canes where he was a smashing and 42 00:02:17,427 --> 00:02:20,187 Speaker 3: he's played one hundred and seven tests now with thirty 43 00:02:20,307 --> 00:02:25,027 Speaker 3: three centuries at an average of fifty four. So that's 44 00:02:25,067 --> 00:02:27,987 Speaker 3: the thing he does, smash being the dish around the place, 45 00:02:28,067 --> 00:02:31,587 Speaker 3: and there's lowest averages against Australia Caines. So whether he 46 00:02:31,627 --> 00:02:33,547 Speaker 3: wants to go back out there and improve on that 47 00:02:33,667 --> 00:02:36,227 Speaker 3: next year, let's hope he does. I still want Caine 48 00:02:36,267 --> 00:02:38,867 Speaker 3: to be there, but like you say, I think Rachen 49 00:02:38,907 --> 00:02:42,387 Speaker 3: it's all ahead of him. There's the table's been set. 50 00:02:42,467 --> 00:02:46,267 Speaker 3: But after that incredible victory where Rochan actually didn't play 51 00:02:46,387 --> 00:02:49,147 Speaker 3: much of a role, I was just looking and thinking, well, 52 00:02:50,107 --> 00:02:52,347 Speaker 3: the worst they can do is draw this Test series. 53 00:02:52,547 --> 00:02:56,227 Speaker 3: Is it worth actually elevating someone and making a couple 54 00:02:56,227 --> 00:02:59,707 Speaker 3: of changes on the batting side with a guy like 55 00:02:59,787 --> 00:03:02,867 Speaker 3: Bevin Jacobs is averaging eighty for Auckland in this first 56 00:03:02,907 --> 00:03:03,587 Speaker 3: class season. 57 00:03:04,227 --> 00:03:06,827 Speaker 2: Yeah, And the other thing we spoke yesterday, I'm sure 58 00:03:06,867 --> 00:03:09,067 Speaker 2: you were doing more interesting things. We spoke yesterday about 59 00:03:09,067 --> 00:03:12,227 Speaker 2: the refreshing of the New Zealand seem attack and the 60 00:03:12,347 --> 00:03:15,507 Speaker 2: number of bowlers, and you mentioned Blair Tick, Michael Ray, 61 00:03:15,627 --> 00:03:18,107 Speaker 2: you know, Zach Folks and others who have got opportunities. 62 00:03:18,307 --> 00:03:20,347 Speaker 2: Then you look at the top five in the New 63 00:03:20,427 --> 00:03:23,147 Speaker 2: Zealand batting order, take ruch and out of it. You 64 00:03:23,187 --> 00:03:26,787 Speaker 2: know Tom Latham, Devon Conway, came Williamson, Darryl Mitchell can 65 00:03:26,827 --> 00:03:30,467 Speaker 2: add will Young into this conversation as well, all over thirty. 66 00:03:30,627 --> 00:03:33,827 Speaker 2: So at some stage the refreshing of the top order 67 00:03:34,307 --> 00:03:37,507 Speaker 2: has to happen. You mentioned Bevan Jacobs, what about Reece Martre? 68 00:03:37,507 --> 00:03:38,787 Speaker 2: You you'd be a big fan of his as well, 69 00:03:38,827 --> 00:03:39,307 Speaker 2: wouldn't you? 70 00:03:39,907 --> 00:03:43,187 Speaker 3: Exactly? I think Reees definitely needs to get a look 71 00:03:43,227 --> 00:03:46,667 Speaker 3: in as well, but Bevan is because as a lower 72 00:03:46,787 --> 00:03:50,067 Speaker 3: order back, or lower than Reece anyway, who opens. I 73 00:03:50,107 --> 00:03:52,107 Speaker 3: just thought I thought, well, you could actually speak him 74 00:03:52,107 --> 00:03:54,507 Speaker 3: in there in a Test match like this because the 75 00:03:54,547 --> 00:03:57,547 Speaker 3: next stop is England and then the next stop is Australia. 76 00:03:57,747 --> 00:04:00,067 Speaker 3: So I feel like it's a chance to get a 77 00:04:00,107 --> 00:04:02,427 Speaker 3: young one in there and get them used to the 78 00:04:02,667 --> 00:04:05,667 Speaker 3: five day game. And so either or I'd be happy. 79 00:04:06,107 --> 00:04:09,707 Speaker 2: Yeah, didn't did you? I just loved Michael Ray's approach 80 00:04:09,747 --> 00:04:11,507 Speaker 2: to this Test, didn't you. I mean a guy who 81 00:04:11,867 --> 00:04:14,347 Speaker 2: probably thought international cricket had passed him by, He wasn't 82 00:04:14,347 --> 00:04:15,627 Speaker 2: gonna get the chance. He was just going to be 83 00:04:15,627 --> 00:04:18,507 Speaker 2: a very good domestic bowler with a wonderful headband, and 84 00:04:18,547 --> 00:04:21,107 Speaker 2: here he was on test about charging and picking up 85 00:04:21,147 --> 00:04:24,227 Speaker 2: sex wickets looking like he loved every moment of it. 86 00:04:24,267 --> 00:04:27,027 Speaker 2: I couldn't help but smile every time Michael Ray was 87 00:04:27,067 --> 00:04:28,307 Speaker 2: involved in this test. 88 00:04:28,627 --> 00:04:31,867 Speaker 3: I know it's a bit like Nieza, wasn't it for 89 00:04:31,867 --> 00:04:36,067 Speaker 3: for Australia. Just somebody who's a veteran, salt of the earth, 90 00:04:36,187 --> 00:04:38,267 Speaker 3: pretty down to earth. I think you have Mitchell Hayes 91 00:04:38,267 --> 00:04:41,187 Speaker 3: saying he's a car guy, you know, so he's got 92 00:04:41,187 --> 00:04:43,467 Speaker 3: to love that he's appredits part of his life. But 93 00:04:43,587 --> 00:04:47,587 Speaker 3: he's a bit of a petrol head, so I mean, yeah, 94 00:04:47,627 --> 00:04:50,387 Speaker 3: it's I like those stories. I think that's that's cool. 95 00:04:51,347 --> 00:04:54,427 Speaker 3: On the batting front though, because I don't I love 96 00:04:54,907 --> 00:04:57,667 Speaker 3: a grizzled veteran bowler coming in. But on the batting front, 97 00:04:57,707 --> 00:05:00,747 Speaker 3: I really like to see some you some fresh eyes, 98 00:05:00,827 --> 00:05:03,827 Speaker 3: let's say, you know with that with that slightly quicker 99 00:05:03,867 --> 00:05:04,587 Speaker 3: reaction time. 100 00:05:04,987 --> 00:05:07,307 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I know I went through a bit of 101 00:05:08,187 --> 00:05:10,947 Speaker 2: a lean patch, but we've got another big one hundred. 102 00:05:10,987 --> 00:05:14,067 Speaker 2: I think in the last plankets your game Kid's clearly 103 00:05:14,067 --> 00:05:16,147 Speaker 2: got a lot of promise, So yeah, I would love 104 00:05:16,187 --> 00:05:18,307 Speaker 2: to see him. As you say, it's a difficult balance, 105 00:05:18,347 --> 00:05:20,227 Speaker 2: isn't it, Because they don't play against the West Indies 106 00:05:20,227 --> 00:05:22,867 Speaker 2: and Totong the next time we played Test cricketers in England, 107 00:05:23,147 --> 00:05:24,587 Speaker 2: and the way they're playing at the moment that might 108 00:05:24,627 --> 00:05:26,547 Speaker 2: not be quite as hard as maybe it's been previously. 109 00:05:26,587 --> 00:05:28,907 Speaker 2: But then if you are going to blood guys into 110 00:05:28,947 --> 00:05:31,627 Speaker 2: a team for a very tough format series in Australia 111 00:05:31,667 --> 00:05:34,187 Speaker 2: next year, you're kind of out of options really if 112 00:05:34,227 --> 00:05:37,387 Speaker 2: you don't do it now or I guess mid year 113 00:05:37,467 --> 00:05:37,947 Speaker 2: in England. 114 00:05:38,787 --> 00:05:40,707 Speaker 3: Yes, now, the other thing I was going to talk 115 00:05:40,707 --> 00:05:43,507 Speaker 3: to you while we're on cricket Ponty was basball bad. 116 00:05:43,587 --> 00:05:46,467 Speaker 3: And yes, your listeners do think that basball is dead. 117 00:05:46,507 --> 00:05:50,347 Speaker 3: I agree, even just watching Ben Stokes and that partnership 118 00:05:50,347 --> 00:05:54,467 Speaker 3: with Will Jackson digging in and showing that some grets 119 00:05:54,507 --> 00:05:58,987 Speaker 3: and resilience and stickability is required really to play Test cricket. 120 00:05:59,507 --> 00:06:02,547 Speaker 3: And it's all probably happened a little bit too late, 121 00:06:02,547 --> 00:06:05,027 Speaker 3: but we'll wait and see because it's a five Test series. 122 00:06:05,507 --> 00:06:09,107 Speaker 3: But I think every team, every player, every team has 123 00:06:09,147 --> 00:06:12,827 Speaker 3: a player who's a dasher who's strike rate as high, 124 00:06:12,867 --> 00:06:15,067 Speaker 3: and of course the og of that is vib Richards 125 00:06:15,747 --> 00:06:17,947 Speaker 3: with the West Indies way back in the day, who 126 00:06:18,347 --> 00:06:21,547 Speaker 3: was around the eighty six mark and then you Obviously 127 00:06:21,627 --> 00:06:26,147 Speaker 3: everybody has their favorite Adam Gilcrest say wag. Both Kansas 128 00:06:26,307 --> 00:06:30,027 Speaker 3: really and now England have Harry Brooks, So let Harry 129 00:06:30,067 --> 00:06:32,787 Speaker 3: be the Bears guy, you know. But the rest of 130 00:06:32,867 --> 00:06:35,507 Speaker 3: the team really need to dig in because I think 131 00:06:35,547 --> 00:06:36,427 Speaker 3: bads Wall is over. 132 00:06:37,107 --> 00:06:41,107 Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree at the very least temperate. You know, 133 00:06:41,187 --> 00:06:44,307 Speaker 2: you don't have to abandon the philosophy altogether, but I 134 00:06:44,307 --> 00:06:46,667 Speaker 2: think it does need tweaking because it certainly isn't working. 135 00:06:47,027 --> 00:06:49,067 Speaker 2: When you know, the first two tests take a total 136 00:06:49,107 --> 00:06:51,147 Speaker 2: of six days and you'll lose by eight wickets and 137 00:06:51,227 --> 00:06:53,307 Speaker 2: both of them. You know, something has to be at 138 00:06:53,387 --> 00:06:55,347 Speaker 2: least altered a little bit for me. But I guess 139 00:06:55,387 --> 00:06:57,667 Speaker 2: we'll wait and see what they decide to do once 140 00:06:57,667 --> 00:06:59,387 Speaker 2: they get off the noose of Beaches. Have you been 141 00:06:59,427 --> 00:07:01,507 Speaker 2: to the noos of Beaches? They're very nice beaches. 142 00:07:02,107 --> 00:07:05,587 Speaker 3: No, But I did admire Brendan McCullum quite brazenly say 143 00:07:05,747 --> 00:07:11,027 Speaker 3: that they prepare had too much for the second and 144 00:07:11,947 --> 00:07:15,587 Speaker 3: the Angless reaction was hilarious, like they just pretty much 145 00:07:15,667 --> 00:07:18,147 Speaker 3: but hard and just went come on, you know, But 146 00:07:18,787 --> 00:07:21,307 Speaker 3: I just if you met Brendan McCallum. He'd be just 147 00:07:21,347 --> 00:07:24,187 Speaker 3: staring down and saying, no, I think we went too hard. 148 00:07:24,187 --> 00:07:27,547 Speaker 3: We're going to have some days off in NUSA, which 149 00:07:27,587 --> 00:07:29,067 Speaker 3: is nice. I mean they might be able to be 150 00:07:29,067 --> 00:07:31,227 Speaker 3: able to catch some A League football if they venture 151 00:07:31,267 --> 00:07:34,187 Speaker 3: around the place. I was just going to say, Poney, 152 00:07:34,187 --> 00:07:36,907 Speaker 3: have a look at the at the Phoenix game today, 153 00:07:36,907 --> 00:07:39,667 Speaker 3: because I think they're building towards something quite cool this season. 154 00:07:39,707 --> 00:07:44,387 Speaker 3: Even though Auckland Sea have outshone them, the Wellington Phoenix. 155 00:07:44,587 --> 00:07:47,227 Speaker 3: You know, they're down the foot of the table, but 156 00:07:47,427 --> 00:07:50,147 Speaker 3: one one today and they spring back up into the 157 00:07:50,147 --> 00:07:50,747 Speaker 3: top six. 158 00:07:51,387 --> 00:07:54,507 Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, the derby was only last weekend. It 159 00:07:54,547 --> 00:07:57,107 Speaker 2: seems to like about a month ago. The second derby. 160 00:07:57,627 --> 00:07:59,667 Speaker 2: I don't know. I just had to check the calendar. 161 00:07:59,707 --> 00:08:01,747 Speaker 2: Was I really up in Auckland at that derby last week? 162 00:08:01,867 --> 00:08:04,027 Speaker 2: It appears as though I was. I feel as though 163 00:08:04,227 --> 00:08:06,827 Speaker 2: this game today against Newcastle and next week against the 164 00:08:06,827 --> 00:08:09,507 Speaker 2: Central Coast Mariners, two sides who are also sort of 165 00:08:09,507 --> 00:08:12,027 Speaker 2: in the lower echelons of the table, are really really 166 00:08:12,027 --> 00:08:14,187 Speaker 2: important for Wellington. If they can get six points from 167 00:08:14,187 --> 00:08:16,947 Speaker 2: these two games, the table is so tight. James, You're right, 168 00:08:16,987 --> 00:08:19,227 Speaker 2: they could hit Christmas in the top six and be 169 00:08:19,307 --> 00:08:20,787 Speaker 2: ready to spring board in the new year. 170 00:08:21,387 --> 00:08:23,827 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's something good bring there. I think they've got 171 00:08:23,827 --> 00:08:25,987 Speaker 3: people who can score goals even and Alex Rufer is 172 00:08:26,027 --> 00:08:30,027 Speaker 3: scoring goal so it's a new year, new Phoenix. And 173 00:08:30,067 --> 00:08:32,907 Speaker 3: there Olaway. Yeahmi, their keeper, who was a bit of 174 00:08:32,947 --> 00:08:37,907 Speaker 3: a calamity last season, played the house down in the derby, 175 00:08:37,987 --> 00:08:40,627 Speaker 3: so I'm looking forward to that. And just if you're 176 00:08:40,667 --> 00:08:43,227 Speaker 3: an Arsenal fan out there as well, just as while 177 00:08:43,227 --> 00:08:46,827 Speaker 3: we're on football, be very concerned because your team, even 178 00:08:46,867 --> 00:08:49,387 Speaker 3: though you're at the top of the table, if anything 179 00:08:49,427 --> 00:08:53,307 Speaker 3: happens to Kayosaka, I don't think you're winning anything. That's 180 00:08:53,427 --> 00:08:54,747 Speaker 3: how I feel about Arsenal. 181 00:08:54,827 --> 00:08:57,347 Speaker 2: Right now, well they played. You would have seen the 182 00:08:57,427 --> 00:08:59,627 Speaker 2: game against Wolves or at least heard what happened to 183 00:08:59,707 --> 00:09:02,547 Speaker 2: that so Arsenal. Arsenal went ahead for an own goal 184 00:09:02,587 --> 00:09:05,587 Speaker 2: by Wolves, so have been utterly abysmal in the last 185 00:09:05,587 --> 00:09:09,187 Speaker 2: little while of the accumulation of points. So they aarsen 186 00:09:09,227 --> 00:09:11,227 Speaker 2: I'm going to end with their own goal. Wolves scored 187 00:09:11,227 --> 00:09:12,907 Speaker 2: on the ninetieth to make it one all look like 188 00:09:12,907 --> 00:09:14,547 Speaker 2: they were going to get a very very well earned 189 00:09:14,587 --> 00:09:17,347 Speaker 2: point at the Emirates Stadium. And then they scored a 190 00:09:17,427 --> 00:09:20,427 Speaker 2: second own goal and asked went at two to one. 191 00:09:20,507 --> 00:09:23,467 Speaker 2: It's just a crazy, crazy series of events. 192 00:09:24,227 --> 00:09:26,107 Speaker 3: Jesus. On the end of a cross as well. I 193 00:09:26,107 --> 00:09:29,627 Speaker 3: mean there's something in that, but we won't discuss it here. Jesus, 194 00:09:29,667 --> 00:09:32,787 Speaker 3: I'm talking about he didn't quite get his head on 195 00:09:32,827 --> 00:09:36,707 Speaker 3: the ball. It was an own goal. But the bakayasaka. 196 00:09:36,787 --> 00:09:38,507 Speaker 3: For the average punter out there, they go, oh, yeah, 197 00:09:38,507 --> 00:09:40,667 Speaker 3: I think I've heard of him, and yeah. His most 198 00:09:40,667 --> 00:09:44,227 Speaker 3: famous moment was missing a penalty in the Euro Final 199 00:09:44,267 --> 00:09:46,707 Speaker 3: against Italy a few years ago when he was nineteen. 200 00:09:47,107 --> 00:09:50,387 Speaker 3: But now he's turned into this incredible, just really exciting 201 00:09:50,467 --> 00:09:53,427 Speaker 3: winger and everything has to go through him. 202 00:09:53,427 --> 00:09:53,587 Speaker 1: Though. 203 00:09:53,587 --> 00:09:57,827 Speaker 3: I watching Arsenal, they need to expand their repertoire or 204 00:09:57,907 --> 00:10:00,747 Speaker 3: do something about their playmaking because I've got talent and 205 00:10:00,827 --> 00:10:02,867 Speaker 3: I kind of would like them to win it. I 206 00:10:02,907 --> 00:10:07,067 Speaker 3: know you're a Liverpool man, but they looked really shake you. 207 00:10:07,027 --> 00:10:09,907 Speaker 2: This morning, James. Great to chat us. All ways. Should 208 00:10:09,907 --> 00:10:12,347 Speaker 2: we got one more time before Christmas next Sunday? Will 209 00:10:12,347 --> 00:10:15,547 Speaker 2: you be available for that one more time? 210 00:10:15,667 --> 00:10:18,147 Speaker 3: Let's start punk it, mate, Let's put helmets on and 211 00:10:18,187 --> 00:10:18,587 Speaker 3: do it. 212 00:10:19,947 --> 00:10:22,387 Speaker 2: Jesus, I just hope that we could talk on the 213 00:10:22,467 --> 00:10:24,387 Speaker 2: radio one more time. But I love the way you've 214 00:10:24,587 --> 00:10:27,787 Speaker 2: segued into daft punk. Love it, James. Thanks mate. 215 00:10:28,267 --> 00:10:31,467 Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, Listen live 216 00:10:31,547 --> 00:10:34,827 Speaker 1: to News Talk said B weekends from midday, or follow 217 00:10:34,867 --> 00:10:36,507 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio