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Speaker 1: Litt let's get busy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the ninth of the ninth in the Year

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Speaker 2: of Our Lord, twenty twenty four. Welcome all you bespoke

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Speaker 2: you donkeyes to the Daily Bespoke Podcast.

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Speaker 1: We've got a.

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Speaker 2: Huge one for you today. We've been preparing this all weekend.

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Speaker 2: We've got quite and a GINI. We've got a lot

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Speaker 2: to get through, boys, So let's get stuck in. Jeremy,

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Speaker 2: what have you got.

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Speaker 1: I'm bringing a gains. Text shut around, text chat.

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Speaker 2: You're not going to try and text my unrealized gains,

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Speaker 2: are you?

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Speaker 1: Jerry? That's right. I'm thinking it's time that you, the

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Speaker 1: top one percent of earners in New Zealand start paying

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Speaker 1: a little bit more than what they're paying. It's time.

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Speaker 3: Is that actually? What's going on at the moment? Are

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Speaker 3: you dealing with them but people coming after your money?

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Speaker 1: Wells, No, No, I'm just no, I'm saying Matt needs

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Speaker 1: to pay more, not me, right, just being about Matt.

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Speaker 3: Here, Matt, you do need to actally pay more.

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Speaker 1: Text it's the.

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Speaker 2: Upper eashlongla Jeremy. That that just they hide it away

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Speaker 2: and offshore accounts. He's got, he's got, he's got twenty

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Speaker 2: two dollars. He's got five ninety nine five dollars nine

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Speaker 2: and account.

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Speaker 1: Of the Canary Islands five dollars in my savings account, right.

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Speaker 2: Screwing it around in little amounts and bank accounts all around.

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Speaker 1: The world, everywhere, everywhere.

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Speaker 3: Can someone fact check this for me? We've got a

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Speaker 3: text today during the show on three for three, we're

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Speaker 3: talking mate, You're talking about your new oven, and you

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Speaker 3: haven't around rightfully so about the symbols that are now

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Speaker 3: on the dial rather than the name of the sitting

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Speaker 3: that you like, instead of saying fan bake or bake

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Speaker 3: or grill, it just has like some kind of hieroglyphic,

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Speaker 3: is what we were kind of describing them as a

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Speaker 3: text here on three for three.

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Speaker 1: Is this true?

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Speaker 3: So the study is actually called hieroglyphs. Hieroglyphs, Sorry, they

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Speaker 3: are actually hieroglyphics. What's on the wall and then the hieroglyphs,

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Speaker 3: and then the study of that is hieroglyglyphics.

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Speaker 2: Oh so I was saying I can't read bloody hieroglyphics.

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Speaker 2: Smeg sought you should out. I should have said I

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Speaker 2: can't read hips. But I've never seen you can't read

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Speaker 2: English in that situation either.

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Speaker 1: You can't. You didn't know you hieroglyphs? Yeah, I did.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 2: Interesting, I think that might be. I think that might be.

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Speaker 2: I think that might be bullshit from that person, you reckon.

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Speaker 2: I think that might be bullshit because I was talking

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Speaker 2: about the Rosetta Stone, and for the longest time they

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Speaker 2: pictures of stuff. And then they came across the Rosetta Stone,

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Speaker 2: which was just this piece of rock, but it had

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Speaker 2: a lot of admin on it, like it was it was.

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Speaker 2: It was sort of admin from this king and but

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Speaker 2: on it it had Egyptian and Greek. Oh so, and

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Speaker 2: they knew how it. They knew ancient Greek. So that's

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Speaker 2: how they worked out and they could took them ages

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Speaker 2: there's a whole, really really interesting documentary on it that

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Speaker 2: bore the shit out of the most Egyptologist person. But

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Speaker 2: until then they found this Rozeta stone, and then that's

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Speaker 2: how they worked out how to read the hieroglyphs. Yes,

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Speaker 2: but this one says inscribe in two languages, Egyptian and Greek,

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Speaker 4: Because I've got that hieroglyph is the singular hieroglyphs, so

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Speaker 4: like A, for instance, would be a hieroglyph, A and

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Speaker 4: B would be hieroglyphs, and hieroglyphics is the practice of reading.

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Speaker 2: Okay, interesting, So then I got the Rosetta Stone was

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Speaker 2: just a form of propaganda. Actually, the exscription written in

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Speaker 2: basically the Ptolemy the fifth, the god who maketh himself manifest,

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Speaker 2: whose deeds are beautiful, is old, and it was the

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Speaker 3: So the Rosetta Stone is old, old, fucking mate, old ancient. Hey, boys,

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Speaker 3: I've started listening to the History of New Zealand, that

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Speaker 3: book that you recommended to me Michael King, Jesus Christ.

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Speaker 3: First of all, incredible. Second of all, I It's made

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Speaker 3: me appreciate this country of ours a whole lot more. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and I'd recommend anyone listening who has not read that

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Speaker 1: What's the thing you've learned so far that you did

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Speaker 1: not know that surprised you? The most interesting thing?

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Speaker 3: Oh man, the list is so long, well even just

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Speaker 3: talking because I'm only probably about four chapters in, and

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Speaker 3: it's it's very focused at the moment on New Zealand's

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Speaker 3: kind of natural side of what New Zealand like, you know,

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Speaker 1: Oh, you're right back at the start.

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Speaker 2: At the start.

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Speaker 3: But even things that I couldn't I just loved. I

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Speaker 3: love knowing. But what it is turning me into is

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Speaker 3: a little bit of a piece of ship, because now

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Speaker 3: every time someone brings something up, I didn't have a

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Speaker 3: bit of that. Well did you know? Actually there was

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Speaker 3: no There was no so I had turning me into

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Speaker 1: But it book's good, guys. Yeah, it does help to

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Speaker 1: know something about your own country, doesn't it. It just

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Speaker 1: makes it slightly more interesting?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it does. I mean gas you context. That book

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Speaker 2: gets bogged down a little bit later on when it

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Speaker 2: just starts naming politicians that did this and started that

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Speaker 1: Really, Yeah, it mentioned Bob Simple. It does mention Bob

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Speaker 1: Simple and the simple tank. Yeah it does.

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Speaker 2: No, it doesn't mention the Simple tank.

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately it does.

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Speaker 2: There's great feats of New Zealand engineering.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the simple tank, which was essentially a messy Ferguson tract.

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Speaker 1: people invaded New Zealand. We had these things called simple Tank.

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Speaker 2: There's one thing that I didn't realize because you know,

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Speaker 2: when all our troops were overseas and for the longest time,

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Speaker 2: you have your own foreign policy, and we were go, no, no, no,

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Speaker 2: So Australia bought so many of their troops back at

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Speaker 2: that point to protect the homeland, but we didn't. We

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Speaker 2: So we had a huge army, like we took one

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Speaker 2: what a strange situation that would be when your entire

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Speaker 1: The thing was Japan, and that worked out that Japan

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Speaker 1: had no interest. Japan came in, had a little look

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Speaker 1: But they went there's nothing there for us. It's too hard,

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Speaker 1: there's no reason why we want to take that.

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Speaker 2: But but we didn't know that. The New Zealand government

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Speaker 2: missile the ship out of us. But that's a huge

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Speaker 2: freaking call for a country to say we're going to

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Speaker 2: there was a few American soldiers on R and R here,

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Speaker 2: I mean, there was there's this famous incident in Wellington

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Speaker 2: And the thing with that is everyone was armed. Everyone

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Speaker 2: they were on wrist and recreation and they were diving

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Wow, And that got swept under the carpet. No one

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Speaker 2: talking about that, but shit, choke. These guys are going

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Speaker 2: was a couple of riots as well, because the Americans

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Speaker 2: There's a whole seedy underside of that whole thing. That

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Speaker 2: we don't hear about, is it?

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Speaker 3: Because also just back to the japan coming to New

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Speaker 3: full strength, do you think there was an element of

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Speaker 3: just like there was just no fucking chance, like if

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Speaker 3: we even if we did have all of our soldiers here,

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Speaker 3: it'd be real Sweetcause we had.

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Speaker 2: One hundred and fifty Kiwi troops back here.

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Speaker 3: Is that happening we had overseas?

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Speaker 1: We didn't have any probably hardware or anything that was fine,

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Speaker 1: but we had a lot of people with arms. We

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Speaker 1: had a lot of guns. We would have been able

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Speaker 1: to find ourselves and that good luck, there would have

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Speaker 1: been an insurrection. Good luck, good luck trying to keep

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Speaker 1: New Zealand. There's no way. Yeah, there's no way. It

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Speaker 1: was miles away from everywhere, So how would have they

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Speaker 1: supplied How would they get supplied to New Zealand, So

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Speaker 1: they couldn't supply their actual so it would have been too.

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Speaker 2: So at the time of the war, we had a

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Speaker 2: population of one point six million, and we had one

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Speaker 2: hundred and forty thousand troops.

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Speaker 1: That's a lot.

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Speaker 2: So one point six million, one hundred and forty thousand

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Speaker 1: He was a grenade chucker.

438
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Speaker 2: So at Coldics they were like they couldn't shoot him

439
00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:51,080
Speaker 2: because it would have been a bad lot. It would

440
00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:53,120
Speaker 2: have been a bad lock. So he tries to escape.

441
00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:55,480
Speaker 2: He gets wrapped up in barbed wire and they will

442
00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:57,160
Speaker 2: come over. He doesn't know that they're going to shoot him,

443
00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:58,680
Speaker 2: but he's just like there's a great shot. IM just

444
00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:01,760
Speaker 2: smoking a cigarette, go waiting to be cut out.

445
00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:03,800
Speaker 1: I saw this great interview with him once. It was

446
00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:08,040
Speaker 1: recorded in the nineteen seventies. Yeah, nineteen seventies, and it

447
00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:10,560
Speaker 1: was talking about what they ate and cold its, and

448
00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:12,040
Speaker 1: it got to a point at the end where there

449
00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:13,440
Speaker 1: was not a lot of fo going on and they

450
00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:18,480
Speaker 1: were boiling up horses hoofs and water and that was soup.

451
00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:23,240
Speaker 1: Just yeah, it was horse hoof soup. So I didn't

452
00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:25,480
Speaker 1: eat any of the They didn't. They just boiled it

453
00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:27,760
Speaker 1: up to give it a bit of flavor. Wow.

454
00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:29,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean they were having trouble by the

455
00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,600
Speaker 2: end of the war to even supply their own. Their

456
00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:36,399
Speaker 2: supply lines were completely utterly wrote it by the end,

457
00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:40,160
Speaker 2: the Germans, so you know who are going to feed first.

458
00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:42,159
Speaker 1: Yeah. There's a great up and book, the one that

459
00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:44,919
Speaker 1: Tom Scott wrote, and that's a good book, Finding Charlie.

460
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Speaker 2: Yeah, very good book, very good book, and it's great

461
00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:50,000
Speaker 2: because it's a book. It's a sort of tribute to

462
00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:52,399
Speaker 2: another book called Mark of the Lion, which is a

463
00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:54,280
Speaker 2: book that was in every batch in New Zealand for

464
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Speaker 2: a very long time. It's a great book on Charlie

465
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Speaker 2: Upham and that really Tom Scott, and so he went

466
00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:03,720
Speaker 2: off and wrote a book which is sort of a

467
00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:05,200
Speaker 2: tribute to that book, and he went round all the

468
00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:09,239
Speaker 2: places and such a fucking good book if you can

469
00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:13,960
Speaker 2: find it. After the Bloody Yam the History of New

470
00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:17,119
Speaker 2: Zealand read because I've got.

471
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Speaker 3: Trip to get through as well, so I'm going to

472
00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:19,280
Speaker 3: get through Tripped.

473
00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:23,160
Speaker 2: Just what a shamozzle. The whole operation was just no,

474
00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:27,560
Speaker 2: like so many bad mistakes. Like they went to Creep

475
00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:30,760
Speaker 2: thinking that they were having rest and recreation after like

476
00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:34,760
Speaker 2: some really punishing battles the New Zealand and Australian soldiers,

477
00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:36,280
Speaker 2: and they got there and they realized they were surrounded

478
00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:40,880
Speaker 2: and they were fucked. Was like, man, you can't even

479
00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,960
Speaker 2: imagine it. Imagine how angry it would be at poor decisions,

480
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,440
Speaker 2: Like you know, you get angry at poor management decisions

481
00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:49,680
Speaker 2: and a job. Poor management decisions in World War Two

482
00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:54,159
Speaker 2: were like I meant your friends got killed or you?

483
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Speaker 1: Who do you reckon? Would be?

484
00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:58,600
Speaker 2: Out of the four of us would go best in war?

485
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Speaker 2: Who would be Charlie Uppen in this rone?

486
00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:02,560
Speaker 3: Oh that's a different question.

487
00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:04,120
Speaker 1: Who'd be the Charlie Upham?

488
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Speaker 2: Who would enjoy it?

489
00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:06,800
Speaker 1: Be you? Mate?

490
00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:07,080
Speaker 4: Yeah?

491
00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:10,600
Speaker 1: You push people off cliffs, killing, killing people with grenades

492
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Speaker 1: and stuff. Yeah, I would. I would ship my pants.

493
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Speaker 2: I've dreamed about being a war like I've had the

494
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:19,240
Speaker 2: dream and in a trench and I'm just in my dream,

495
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,120
Speaker 2: I thought, I'm a fucking coward.

496
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Speaker 1: That's what I've thought. I'd like to work in a

497
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:27,040
Speaker 1: back office situation, you know, just stretch. I'd work on

498
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,879
Speaker 1: strategy and just say to where people you're going in

499
00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:31,160
Speaker 1: troop troup sort.

500
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Speaker 2: Of, you'd work on the military secretaries and stuff. You'd

501
00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,480
Speaker 2: be you'd be you'd be your strategies. You'd be focused

502
00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:37,320
Speaker 2: on the typing pool.

503
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 1: Someone has to someone's got to do that job, all right,

504
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:42,560
Speaker 1: it's a big machine.

505
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Speaker 2: You'd be like listing your casualties. It's like there was

506
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Speaker 2: a math.

507
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Speaker 1: There was thought everyone could be throwing grenades on the front.

508
00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:49,800
Speaker 2: Your body count would be a very different body count

509
00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:51,760
Speaker 2: from Charles Upham. So you're like, how'd you go in

510
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:56,160
Speaker 2: War twenty seven? BodyCount of twenty seven? You killed twenty seven? No, no,

511
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Speaker 2: I had six twenty seven be the twenty seven.

512
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Speaker 1: What about the guys who are like chauffeurs for the

513
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:06,120
Speaker 1: furor Yeah? What are those guys there? Has seen some

514
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 1: crazy stuff?

515
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, if you've read that fantastic bok that we've

516
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,879
Speaker 2: talked about, and we talked to Norman Euler the other

517
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:17,679
Speaker 2: day who wrote it Blitzed, all the soldiers that were

518
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,679
Speaker 2: dealing directly with Hitler were going, oh my god, this

519
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 2: guy is fucking because the impression they were giving out

520
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 2: there was a vegetarian, that he was healthy, that he

521
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 2: was just an example of good health. But anyone that

522
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,479
Speaker 2: met him was like, this guy is a fucking sunken

523
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 2: not sleeping. He's an absolute junkie. His hands is shaking.

524
00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 1: He's that footage of him, the last ever footage of him,

525
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 1: where he's he gets out from the bunker and he

526
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 1: walks along the row of hitler youth and awards, the medals,

527
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:48,960
Speaker 1: shakes their hands because they're defending Berlin. I mean, getting

528
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,440
Speaker 1: kids to go out there and defend Berlin while you're

529
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 1: making stupid decisions you pracking then killing yourself anyway, Yeah,

530
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Speaker 1: the first So he's a hand and his hand it's

531
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:03,200
Speaker 1: just like look it up on YouTube. It's quite something.

532
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 1: He's got the hand. It's just shaking like nobody's business.

533
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 1: He looks terrible by that state.

534
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 2: It's so much, so much meth in the system, Isn't

535
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 2: it interesting? Because you know, when we're talking to Norman,

536
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 2: he said they were always going to lose because I

537
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,639
Speaker 2: was like, you know, did the allieds win? Because we

538
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 2: always feel amazing like it's a a sort of underdog victory,

539
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 2: but really, our fucking psycho was it? Obviously Hitler's psycho

540
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,399
Speaker 2: to fucking try and take on the whole will And

541
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:30,919
Speaker 2: once he.

542
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 1: Got going, Yeah, he had a thing about luck though,

543
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:35,879
Speaker 1: and he thought that he had the luck, and he

544
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 1: had these moments of luck and then he thought to himself,

545
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:42,439
Speaker 1: this is a sign. And that's when he that's yeah,

546
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:46,399
Speaker 1: crazy thinking. He thought, this is it's destiny. It's clear

547
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,359
Speaker 1: that this is what's meant to happen, because otherwise this

548
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 1: other stuff wouldn't have happened.

549
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 2: What surprised him was that the UK, that Britain decided

550
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,880
Speaker 2: to take him on. He thought that they wouldn't wouldn't

551
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 2: care as much. He thought that they could just take Poland,

552
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 2: and they could take Belgium and that and France eventually,

553
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,879
Speaker 2: but like quite quickly. But he didn't think that Britain

554
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 2: would be so angry about it. He didn't really have

555
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 2: much of a beef with England. He actually thought they

556
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 2: were quite cool. So he was surprised that England went okay, mate,

557
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 2: and Britain went, we're going to fuck you up. Mate,

558
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:17,879
Speaker 2: couldn't and then he couldn't back out, and then and

559
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 2: then American Russia and then taking on Russia is fucking stupid.

560
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 1: It's a massive country. You're never going to be able.

561
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 2: To control that huge border. So you've got like the

562
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,920
Speaker 2: western and eastern borders coming for you. Total myth behavior.

563
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:31,680
Speaker 1: You want some liver straw and you want some living

564
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 1: space to the east, but you don't need to take

565
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 1: the entire that's a lot of living space.

566
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's not rational. It's not rational. It's

567
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 2: kind of like New Zealand going, we need Australia's should

568
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 2: and let you have a few quite good victories because

569
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,639
Speaker 2: you're like Australia is like what the fuck? New Zealand

570
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:52,120
Speaker 2: just arrived in Sydney.

571
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 1: MEAs Prime minister taking over to New Zealand say I've

572
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 1: got a plan. We're going to take over Australia people,

573
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 1: and then that gaining momentum and gaming support as an

574
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 1: idea and we militarize, yeah, and we really get we

575
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 1: really get things going. We get rocket Lab on.

576
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 2: Board in Australia's over there going that those are theo's

577
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 2: an't going to do.

578
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 1: And then we do. And then he was going, what

579
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:13,640
Speaker 1: the fuck we'd send the five oh ones back? Would

580
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:18,479
Speaker 1: be the first thing with like bombs side bombers.

581
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:24,160
Speaker 4: My grandfather was a fighter pilot for Britain in the war.

582
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ.

583
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 4: Yes he did. Wow, but may as well not have

584
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 4: because like my dad when he was growing up would

585
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,439
Speaker 4: be like, oh, you know, what was it like? And

586
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,200
Speaker 4: he just would never tell him did you kill people?

587
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 4: Never tell him? But that the most my dad got

588
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,479
Speaker 4: is that, yes, he used to fly over France, used

589
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 4: to fly over Germany, used to bomb.

590
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 2: Was he a fighter pilot or a bomber?

591
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 1: I think it was. I think it was both.

592
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:50,680
Speaker 2: And soon a Lancaster or something.

593
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:52,199
Speaker 1: Mosquito spit fires.

594
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 2: Oh wow, very cool.

595
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, but just thinking about you know, people that didn't

596
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 4: want to go and kill people. My grandfather there was

597
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 4: one of those people. But that was his job, to

598
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 4: just go and bomb people, these nameless people. And the

599
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 4: only story he ever told my dad from the war

600
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 4: was that once when he was on the ground, he

601
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 4: was in a row of trenches and they saw the

602
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 4: bombs coming from the opposition, and he saw one trench

603
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,439
Speaker 4: taken out, next trench taken out, next s trinch and

604
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,959
Speaker 4: he was like, and we were in a line and

605
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:26,919
Speaker 4: we were fourth, and we saw it come down and

606
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 4: it didn't go off and trench. That is the only story.

607
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 4: And by the mid eighties he was in care because

608
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 4: he just couldn't live right.

609
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:38,919
Speaker 2: It must be so like those people like you know,

610
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:40,119
Speaker 2: like I wake up in the middle of the night

611
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 2: at three am and I'm riddled with kind of guilt

612
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 2: about not paying taxes or not sorting at my text

613
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 2: bill or something or something.

614
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 1: I said.

615
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 2: Some of those guys there by no follow their own

616
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,920
Speaker 2: They had to go on bomb cities, just fly over

617
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 2: and drop bombs, Willy Nelly on families and stuff. I

618
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,360
Speaker 2: imagine you knew that what you were doing was probably

619
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 2: for a good The Nazis were funckwords, but boy, you

620
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 2: would be like, I can imagine some nightmares on the

621
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 2: back of that, right. But there were also some bombing

622
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 2: raids where they just would get out of their own

623
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 2: radar zone, drop all their bombs, and then fly around

624
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 2: and come back. They'd just go, let the captain go,

625
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 2: we're not going in.

626
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 1: Well, they didn't have satellited to Madrid to know what

627
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 1: was going on anyway, so you'd.

628
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 2: Come back and they'd be like you roup bombs, toads, yep, yep,

629
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,640
Speaker 2: they're gone at the target. It was all good, right, yeah,

630
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 2: And they really just drop them like on in a

631
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 2: field like these, these these woods and fields are taking

632
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,360
Speaker 2: a real pounding just on the outside of Berlin.

633
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 4: It's like those people that deliver the local newspaper, but

634
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 4: they actually just go and check it down the creek

635
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 4: and they're like, yeah, delivered all of them, no worries.

636
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 1: I was one of those people.

637
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 3: Push it down the back.

638
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 2: Don't do it with the free toothpaste samples like I did,

639
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 2: because that's because I was delivering those. When you don't deliver,

640
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 2: they's the only time anyone rings up when you're delivering

641
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 2: advertisings and you.

642
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 1: Don't live the free gift, free gift.

643
00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 2: Then they rang up and going you well, they're down

644
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 2: the side of Johnald and Starry.

645
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 1: Those oneseample of conditioner people want.

646
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 2: Anyway, I think there's some good A nellis essentially good work, guys.

647
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 2: And that's when we did research for that over the

648
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 2: whole weekends.

649
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 1: Because of the research, that's what it was. It was

650
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 1: the plan that we had.

651
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 3: It was a great player. Jerry, are we geting to

652
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 3: your capital gains?

653
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 1: No, no time for that anyway. We'll do that to

654
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 1: my heartbreak capital gains tomorrow.

655
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, well David tomorrow.

656
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Speaker 2: And I'll tell you what textile is very similar to

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Speaker 1: It feels about a capital gains text. Yeah you hate it?

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Speaker 1: All right?

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Speaker 2: All right, then you've seen busy.

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Speaker 1: We'll let you go. All right, Okay, that was good.

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Speaker 1: Delete it.

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Speaker 2: Hello. I'm Matt Heath. You have been listening to the

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Speaker 2: Matt and Jerry Daily Bespoke podcast. Right now you can

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Speaker 2: you want to discuss anything raised in this pod, check

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Speaker 2: google the bastard. Anyway you seem busy, I'll let you go.

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Speaker 2: Bless blessed, blessed. Give them a taste of key we

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