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Speaker 2: Hello you Green new Zeller's Welcome to Matt and Tyler

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Speaker 2: Full Show Podcast number two five five for Tuesday, the

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Speaker 2: second of December. Boy oh boy, I would say, boy boy.

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Speaker 2: But the the chat we had on transplants donors and

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Speaker 2: people that had donated, had received and whose loved ones

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Speaker 2: who had passed it donated, that was some emotional stuff.

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Speaker 3: Powerful. Yeah, no, no, genuinely some stories that will make

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Speaker 3: you become an organ donor. Yeah, pretty pretty fast.

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Speaker 2: So when you get through, if you chew through the

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Speaker 2: council chat, then you'll get to some really meaningful chat

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Speaker 2: later on in the show.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, great show, So please download, subscribe, give us a review,

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Speaker 2: Give a taste to CA for us.

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Speaker 1: Big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and everything

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Speaker 1: in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons.

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Speaker 3: News Talk said me, very good afternoon to you. Welcome

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Speaker 3: into Tuesday Show. I hope you're having a pretty good

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Speaker 3: day wherever you're listening in from, but we appreciate you

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Speaker 3: listening in your what makes the show what it is.

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Speaker 3: So thank you get a Matt, He.

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Speaker 2: Get a Tyler, got a great new Zellas And Tyler,

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Speaker 2: I'm just looking at you, and you've got a furrowed brow.

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Speaker 2: You've got a You've got an issue. I've got some

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Speaker 2: problems worrying.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so it is. It's a big worry for

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Speaker 3: me because it means it's probably going to cost me

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Speaker 3: some money. So I've got you are tight. I am

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Speaker 3: super tight. So I was. I was upset this day

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Speaker 3: was going to come. And now the day has come.

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Speaker 3: So I bought this new vehicle three years ago and

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Speaker 3: it's stunn me well and and nothing major has gone

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Speaker 3: wrong with it. But the day has finally arrived that

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Speaker 3: I have to go take it in for a warren

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Speaker 3: of fitness. Right, So, brand new car you get, you

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Speaker 3: get a warren of fitness for three years. Then you've

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Speaker 3: got to do whatever every normal person does and take

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Speaker 3: it in every year. But here's my first question. I've

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Speaker 3: got a couple of questions here. Why you put together

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Speaker 3: your man shake? That looks very nice. By the way,

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Speaker 3: you're very good at multitasking.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, Tyler, No, no, that's right.

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Speaker 3: I know you were taking it all.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm listening closely, but I'm just putting together my

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Speaker 2: manshake that I have at this time of the day.

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Speaker 2: But also I'm trying something new. I'm putting instant coffee

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Speaker 2: in with the manshake to try and make a hybrid

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Speaker 2: coffee man shake.

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Speaker 3: Okay, is that why it looks like liquid death at

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Speaker 3: the moment?

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Speaker 2: It doesn't look good anyway, Good luck for it.

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Speaker 3: And so first question is, because I've got this warranty

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Speaker 3: with the new car, do I have to take it

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Speaker 3: to a midsum issue service center to get that warren

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Speaker 3: of fitness nine two ninety two. You let mat down

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Speaker 3: on the gap thing, but usually you're pretty good. So

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Speaker 3: is that part of the warranty that I have to

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Speaker 3: of fitness? Because straight up I don't want to do

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Speaker 3: that because usually they're pretty pricey and I don't know,

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Speaker 3: they just do a few things that I just don't

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Speaker 2: Well, what's the term for it? When you take it

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Speaker 2: I can't remember what it is.

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Speaker 3: There is a word, and I'm in that trap at

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Speaker 3: the moment. So because the other double whammy is it's

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Speaker 3: get the warrant of fitness. Then I've got to get

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Speaker 2: So listeners, they'd be interesting to know whether the you know,

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Speaker 2: all the what do you call it, the warranties count

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Speaker 3: They crank the charges insane, they do that list of

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Speaker 2: But at the same time, there's some kind of feels

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, So my final question, if you've got a

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Speaker 3: I need to hear from you. Nine to ninety.

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Speaker 2: I heard an ad. Tell me if I'm right or wrong.

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Speaker 2: I think I heard an ad on ZB this morning

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Speaker 3: Oh jackpot, I'll take that. Fifty puck warrant fitnesses. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 3: we'll listen out for that. That's a good I'm pretty

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Speaker 3: Well, that is credible that you know, we don't just

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Speaker 3: so you can trust that that's going to be a

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Speaker 3: good deal. But nineteen ninety two, if if you know

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Speaker 3: a good mechanic. Just before we get to the topic

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Speaker 5: What you were talking about? Do you have to go

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Speaker 5: to a Mitsubishi franchise that's the word you were looking

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Speaker 5: to talk. Yeah, yeah, no, No. If it's a warrant,

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Speaker 5: if it's a new car warranty scenario, then yes you

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Speaker 5: do go to Mitsubishi. If it's a new car and

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Speaker 5: there's a problem and it's under the warranty, then yes

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Speaker 5: you do. As far as a warrant of fitness, why.

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Speaker 3: You like jackpot. That's what I wanted to hear, Greg.

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Speaker 3: So that's not going to my tenure warranty.

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Speaker 5: I don't think it's going to cost your thousands. I

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Speaker 5: mean you say you brought this new.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the tires are getting pretty bored though, Greg, and

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Speaker 3: you know I've been I've been seeing pretty bad.

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Speaker 2: It's not about the warrant to keep your tires from

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Speaker 2: being bored. That's up to a being a responsible person

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Speaker 2: on the road. You don't just check your tires every warrant.

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Speaker 2: You check them constantly for safety.

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Speaker 3: I mean most of the treads there, it's just right

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Speaker 3: So I'll probably have to do something about that.

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Speaker 5: Well, you didn't mention the tires, but forty five k's

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Speaker 5: you're probably out for us of tires and if it's

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Speaker 5: then you've got to replace it. So I would budget

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Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, I don't want to hear that, Greg. Four tires.

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Speaker 3: That's instantly over a grand.

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Speaker 2: And you've got a big battery in that car, don't you,

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Speaker 2: So that it really punishes the tires. Yeah, because it's

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Speaker 5: I would say with your oil and film warrant, you

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Speaker 5: won't shouldn't bething wrong with a cat that's only three

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Speaker 5: years old. You're probably looking at about four hundred bucks

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Speaker 5: four fifty plus your tires.

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Speaker 3: Okay, all right, I'll take that on the chin.

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Speaker 6: Greg.

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Speaker 3: That's I was not wanting to hear that, but that's

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Speaker 3: that's fair. Are you a mechanic yourself?

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Speaker 6: Are you? No?

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Speaker 5: I went from at subushi. I sold cars from a

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Speaker 5: subushi for about ten years back in those days. It's

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Speaker 5: nowt but and and things would go wrong with with

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Speaker 5: don't stress on. That's Tony money Sonny.

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Speaker 2: Hey yeah, Greg, I've got a supplementary question for you.

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Speaker 2: And look, this is a sort of vehicle related but

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Speaker 2: is there still a vet up up the pole on

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Speaker 2: Bridgeman Street Pals?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, My cars going there next week to get fixed sexually. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And then they've still got the vet up up the pole.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, they've got a little bit about the pole you

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Speaker 2: I am Tylers Nelson, but we're.

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Speaker 5: Both Did you go to Belle mcewn Intermediate. I did, Yes,

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Speaker 5: did you have a teacher by the name of mister Henderson.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I did, mister Henderson, Hindy with your.

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Speaker 5: Nickname of stunt man, mister Henderson, great man. I'm not

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Speaker 5: sure Harry got to be a teacher. He might have

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Speaker 5: got this qualifications, but I mean he's a legend in

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Speaker 5: this town. He is nicknamed stunt Man.

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Speaker 2: That's right, But mister Henderson, how could I forget? Hey,

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Speaker 2: thank you someone, Greig, You're awesome. Not only do you

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Speaker 2: Matt Heath and Bell mckown intermediate alumni. Always great to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, how good, And thank you to everyone who teakes

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Speaker 3: with recommendationing for a mechanic.

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Speaker 2: You can tell us December how far this shows off

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Speaker 3: Yeah, very lucy goosey today.

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Speaker 2: But we love it.

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Speaker 3: Right, Let's get into this one because I've already had

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Speaker 3: so many text about it. Obviously, the government has proposed

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Speaker 3: So Prime Minister Christopher and said yesterday or implored councils

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Speaker 3: to I quote stop doing dumb stuff, as he announced

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Speaker 3: that and your rates increases will be limited to between

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Speaker 3: two to four percent. That's calculated using typical inflation and

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Speaker 3: economic growth levels. There were some exemptions possible for councils

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Speaker 3: and extreme circumstances disasters and the like, but that would

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Speaker 3: require permission from a government appointed regulator and also need

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Speaker 3: to set out a plan to return within that band

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Speaker 3: of two to four percent.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so Christopher Luxon suggests that the councils stop doing

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Speaker 2: dumb stuff. And examples of dumb stuff he put up

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Speaker 2: was the incredibly expensive toilets in Wellington with the fleshing

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Speaker 2: lights on them.

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Speaker 3: Yep, not a bad one.

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Speaker 2: So I guess what he would say is just like,

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Speaker 2: if you need a toilet, simple bog, no fleshing lights,

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Speaker 2: just make it functional and let's get on with it.

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Speaker 3: Makes a lot of sense.

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Speaker 2: But what do you think the dumb stuff is that

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Speaker 2: councils need to cut out? Because personally, I like a

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Speaker 2: statue you do a big fan of boom boom and topel.

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Speaker 3: It's a good step.

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Speaker 2: So I want counsels to do more stuff than just

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Speaker 2: the basics. But also I don't want insane rates increases.

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Speaker 2: So what do we want? What do we want to lose?

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Speaker 2: What do we want to keep? Our one hundred and

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Speaker 2: eighty ten.

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Speaker 3: Eighty nine two ninety two is the text as well,

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Speaker 3: And I'll tell you what. I've just printed off my

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Speaker 3: rates deal rates list, So sometime over the next forty

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Speaker 3: five minutes, I'm just going to go through and highlight

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Speaker 3: some things I think are dumb.

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Speaker 2: You don't.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of stuff in there that I

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Speaker 3: think is done. But that's that's coming up. But taking

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Speaker 3: your calls on know eight one hundred eighty ten eighty

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Speaker 3: what is the dumb stuff council needs to stop doing?

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Speaker 3: It is fifteen past one.

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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Speaker 3: It'd be very good afternoon to you. So we're talking

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Speaker 2: Texas is eleven million dollars for a library and graymouth

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Speaker 3: Eleven million dollar library sounds very flush for Greymouth. I

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Speaker 3: love a library me too, But many.

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Speaker 2: People going to libraries now, isn't it primarily just I'll

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Speaker 3: It cost a lot of money. And you know that

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Speaker 3: So people wear upset about that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is an interesting thing because people build stuff

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Speaker 2: it is beautiful. But you just have to ask yourself

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Speaker 2: it's beautiful and it's going to make the city better

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Speaker 2: But also is it too nice? Is it too fresh?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? What other priorities or what should they be? Tony?

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Speaker 3: How are you this afternoon?

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Speaker 3: What don't you like in terms of council spend?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I was saying that I'm not entirely sure as

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Speaker 3: There is a lot of them. I don't know how

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Speaker 3: But I know the ones you mean. You mean those

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Speaker 3: I mean, I've never been in the situation where I've

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Speaker 4: Yeah good pointe cheeze cutters under yeah, yeah, but no

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Speaker 3: You're probably safer in the paddock than bouncing back off

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Speaker 2: So the odd person that ends up in the paddock,

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Speaker 2: then for your yes, skid through the paddock, then you know,

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Speaker 2: give the farmer a ring, fixers fence, you know, return

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Speaker 2: Yeah, got a bad one to.

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Speaker 8: Driving on the mobile now. And I noticed that in

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Speaker 8: Surely you only need one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, thank you for you call. Tony. Appreciate that

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Speaker 2: this business. Says todong As City Council nine million dollars

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Speaker 4: Is that true?

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Speaker 3: That is a heck of a lot of rents.

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Speaker 3: Let's look that up totong As City Council rent That's

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Speaker 3: Oh which is beautiful? Nine ninety two is the text

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Speaker 3: if you want to send a text an oh, eight

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Speaker 3: What is the dumb stuff that council was spending their

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Speaker 2: Cuts the sex It says for your information, Matt, the

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Speaker 2: flashing lights cost two hundred and thirty thousand dollars. So

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Speaker 2: I mean that is an example of the dumb stuff

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Speaker 3: Yeap spot on. Now, just before we hit some place

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Speaker 3: but I don't think rate pays should be paying for this.

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Speaker 3: The Herotage Art Center. So there's two dollars eleven cents

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Speaker 2: But I'm serious.

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Speaker 3: I mean a little bit tongue of cheek here, But

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Speaker 3: that if you want to go see it, you pay

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Speaker 2: Well, what exactly is the heritage Arts center.

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Speaker 2: What do you got in there? Tyler? So you've it's beautiful.

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Speaker 2: I'm looking at a picture of it. It looks great.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So I think there's an old movie theater in

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Speaker 3: there that you've got to pay full price for. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: there is a sculpture. There's a couple of sculptures in there.

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Speaker 3: I know you're a big fan of sculptures.

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Speaker 2: I love a sculpture, but well, some sculptures I don't

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Speaker 2: like all of them, obviously, But so what is its remit?

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Speaker 3: It is heritage value. So that was that. So it

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Speaker 3: crumbled a little bit in the earthquake, which is you know,

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Speaker 3: fair enough, it needed to be repaired, and it cost

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Speaker 3: a lot of money to repair it. But is that

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Speaker 3: Isn't that for rich benefactors who like things like heritage.

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Speaker 2: With over seventy thousand objects across our properties, we have

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Speaker 3: It sounds really good. But again, look, I like driving

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Speaker 2: But doesn't a city have to protect its history. It

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Speaker 2: Isn't there something to that that that we honor, you know,

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Speaker 2: you know, isn't that an important resource.

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Speaker 3: For a lot of people? It is, and they should

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Speaker 3: pay for it, But both for people like me who

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Speaker 3: just want my rates have gone up in christ Chute

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Speaker 3: fifty percent over four years. And I'm not seeing any

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Speaker 2: It's pretty nice Heritage Arts Center, though, Tyler.

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Speaker 3: It's pretty lovely in summer. I'll give them there. I'm

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Speaker 3: It is twenty five past one, your.

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Speaker 1: Home for the big names in Entertainment. It's The Mic

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Speaker 10: David Williams is Meckwether's lightest children's work, just in time

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Speaker 10: for Christmas. David Williams as Weathers. Where are you at

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Speaker 11: I love doing it. It is challenging. You're constantly scared.

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Speaker 11: You think, oh my god, I'm going to run out

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Speaker 11: of ideas. The thing I try and do is move

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Speaker 11: away as far as I can from something I've just done,

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Speaker 11: because the thing is you just don't want to repeat yourself.

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Speaker 11: So whether I just have to move away from that

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Speaker 11: I mean, it's quantity over quality, Mike. But it's still

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Speaker 3: Twenty eight pass one as the Prime Minister see yesterday,

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Speaker 3: what are the dumb things counsel need to stop spending

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Speaker 3: So eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is a number to.

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Speaker 2: Call, Hi, guys, Napier population sixty six thousand, U civic

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Speaker 2: Cheers Roger Shapers. Christ just wastes money on raised speed

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Speaker 2: someone explain to me? I don't understand why pedestrian cross

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Speaker 2: rings need to be raised by the time you hit them.

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Speaker 2: You know, you're already going at whatever speed you're going at. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: So can't they just be I mean, I know a

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Speaker 2: even Wayne Brown the Auckland Mirror suggested it shouldn't. Pedestrians

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Speaker 2: costings just be some white paint and then and the

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Speaker 2: black paint comes from the cover of the road.

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Speaker 2: The blank color for the zebra crossing comes from the rope,

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Speaker 2: right yea.

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Speaker 3: So it makes a lot of sense in a couple of poles, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: because I've got it down in christs Now where they've

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Speaker 3: raised at intersections with lights. Where's the rationale? I mean one,

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Speaker 3: where's the rationale? When it comes to history sense.

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Speaker 2: But I mean it might look cool and it's nice,

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Speaker 2: and if you're a really really really wealthy city or country,

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Speaker 2: bits of infrastructure. But if you're expected, you know, the

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Speaker 2: you've got to be You've got to be responsible and

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Speaker 2: maybe go for not the most expensive option that's out there.

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Speaker 3: Ravina, how are you?

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Speaker 7: Good good?

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Speaker 13: I did try it. Noodle with a king Chi and

438
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Speaker 13: the cheese there was delicious.

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Speaker 3: Oh I'm glad to hear. Where did you get the

440
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Speaker 3: noodle with kim chief from?

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Speaker 13: I think one of your announcer editor, I think he

442
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Speaker 13: gave me the recipe.

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Speaker 2: He was young, Wow, who is this?

444
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Speaker 3: Who is this recipe giver? Was that Andrew on the phones?

445
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Speaker 13: I think so yeah, yeah, no, he I mentioned noodle

446
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Speaker 13: and he said try that. I said, okay, I will.

447
00:20:03,573 --> 00:20:04,413
Speaker 3: Love about a kimchi?

448
00:20:04,933 --> 00:20:05,733
Speaker 2: What this is great?

449
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Speaker 3: And tell yeah, we're going to find out who did

450
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Speaker 3: their recipe and handed out to everyone.

451
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Speaker 2: But what about council? What what about things that you

452
00:20:14,293 --> 00:20:16,333
Speaker 2: don't think the council should spend too much? So much

453
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Speaker 2: money on.

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Speaker 13: Money I think that Hunter Wassa was one of a

455
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Speaker 13: downfall right in sunder Ray. Hardly anyone goes there, and

456
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Speaker 13: it's not very well kept either. Have you heard about that?

457
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Speaker 13: Hunter was saying fund.

458
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Speaker 2: Ray the art center.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was there a couple of a

460
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Speaker 13: couple of weeks ago and hardly anyone there. You know when,

461
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Speaker 13: oh gosh, when was it built? I don't even remember.

462
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Speaker 13: I think I think it's built about ten eleven years ago.

463
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Speaker 2: Do you think that cities should be more than just

464
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Speaker 2: practical infrastructure, you know, drains and such, and that there

465
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Speaker 2: should be some money spent on art and culture.

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Speaker 13: I think they should improve the road from Auckland to

467
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Speaker 13: fungar Ray and then people from fung Auckland could go

468
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Speaker 13: down to go down to live up that way and

469
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Speaker 13: build some business and stuff. Right they are they are

470
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Speaker 13: trying to buy people in one Ray out to build

471
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Speaker 13: a road, which is a great idea. But those people's

472
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Speaker 13: lives are on hold, really, isn't it. They can't they

473
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Speaker 13: can't sell their property or they can't move because if

474
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Speaker 13: they do, they say, oh, you know, the council is

475
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Speaker 13: going to buy the KATAI is going to buy the property.

476
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Speaker 13: So we don't want to spend money, you know. Yeah,

477
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Speaker 13: so the US some investigation on that. See what's happening here.

478
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Speaker 3: Well, have a look for your Pravenna. But PROVENA not

479
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Speaker 3: a fan of the Honda user center up and fungar

480
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Speaker 3: A not too sure how much they cost and whether you're.

481
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Speaker 2: Just looking to this so I think it costs thirty

482
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Speaker 2: three million dollars and when it was built, I believe

483
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Speaker 2: I could be wrong there, just trying to trying to

484
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Speaker 2: look this up. I mean, yeah, I mean that, But

485
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Speaker 2: is that the difference?

486
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Speaker 11: Is that?

487
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Speaker 2: Is that buying building some arts centers and putting up

488
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Speaker 2: some sculptures and running some music festivals or whatever. Council,

489
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Speaker 2: is that the difference? Or is it their inefficiency when

490
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Speaker 2: it comes to services. It's a big part of it.

491
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Speaker 3: But I think and look, I know I keep talking

492
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Speaker 3: about christ Church, but that's where I'm a ratepayer that

493
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Speaker 3: after the earthquakes, we were in so much trouble and

494
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Speaker 3: debt because they hadn't insured things properly, and the government

495
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Speaker 3: and the good people in New Zealand helped out christ

496
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Speaker 3: Church a lot, but we still had a massive bill

497
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Speaker 3: to pay. And then when they start buying up statues

498
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Speaker 3: for a million bucks and start pumping money into heritage

499
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Speaker 3: buildings that were going to cost hundreds and hundreds of

500
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Speaker 3: millions dollars to repair. Yeah, right, A lot of people

501
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Speaker 3: restrict and thought, hey my roadstool stuff. Hey is you

502
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Speaker 3: haven't come round for a month to click my rubbish.

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Speaker 3: Let's get the priorities worked out first. But I think

504
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Speaker 3: it's a fair point. A lot of people do love

505
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Speaker 3: art and that's a part of the vibrancy of a city.

506
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Speaker 3: But I know where the line is.

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Speaker 2: You think it's a nice to have.

508
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Speaker 3: I think it's a nice to have.

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Speaker 2: Tirely you'm up at the city. The Christich city countis

510
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Speaker 2: will pay one million a month for their building at

511
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Speaker 2: Hereford Street.

512
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Speaker 3: Well that's good for the landlord. That's a good reckont

513
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Speaker 3: oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

514
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Speaker 3: to call. What is the dumb stuff that the council?

515
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Speaker 3: Your council needs to cut out? Love to hear your thoughts?

516
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Speaker 3: Nineteen nine two is that text as well? Headlines with

517
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Speaker 3: railing coming up it's twenty six to two.

518
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Speaker 2: Jews Talk said.

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Speaker 14: The headlines with blue bubble taxis it's no trouble with

520
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Speaker 14: the blue bubble. Wellington's me says there's legitimate concern about

521
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Speaker 14: council rates, but time will tell how capping rises to

522
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Speaker 14: four percent a year will work. Andrew Little says many

523
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Speaker 14: increases of the fund decades of underfunded infrastructure. Folk Service

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Speaker 14: Commissioner is promising improvements to maintain trust and confidence in

525
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Speaker 14: police since explosive revelations about former Police Commissioner Jevin mcskimming.

526
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Speaker 14: The new Reserve Bank Governor's begun her second day fronting

527
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Speaker 14: a parliament Select committee, promising transparency and accountability.

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Speaker 15: A dairy in.

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Speaker 14: Christchurch's or Power is closed for the day after its

530
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Speaker 14: owner was assaulted and moderately injured during a burglary this morning.

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Speaker 14: Arise in research poll is signaling more support than opposition

532
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Speaker 14: for Labour's capital gains tax policy forty one percent to

533
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Speaker 14: thirty nine. It's most favored by people aged sixty five

534
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Speaker 14: to seventy four, Green Party voters and households earning one

535
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Speaker 14: hundred to one hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Appalling and insensitive.

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Speaker 14: SkyTV's bizarre response following longtime customer's death Read more at

537
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Speaker 14: enzid Herald. Premium back to Matteath and Tyler Adams.

538
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Speaker 3: Thanks he very much, Ray Lane. So the government's dismissing

539
00:25:07,613 --> 00:25:11,533
Speaker 3: concerns its caps for council will degrade basic local services.

540
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Speaker 3: The Prime Minister implored councils yesterday to stop doing dumb stuff.

541
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Speaker 3: So that's the question will put to you, what is

542
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Speaker 3: the dumb stuff you want them to stop?

543
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an interesting one, this Texas says. So everyone's

544
00:25:20,653 --> 00:25:24,413
Speaker 2: happy to live in bland, boring, beige towns. And that's

545
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Speaker 2: sort of my slight pushback on because Tyler, you think

546
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Speaker 2: that no art galleries, no statues, no council run concerts, festivals,

547
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Speaker 2: just the basics, just the drains.

548
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Speaker 3: They can have them, but I just don't want to

549
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Speaker 3: pay for them. Yeah, you know, I don't want anyone subsidized.

550
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Speaker 3: If you got a motat motet's amazing, it's a fantastic place,

551
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Speaker 3: but don't subsidize it. Just pay full ticket price.

552
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Speaker 2: But don't arts and beautification projects lift the liveability of

553
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Speaker 2: a city. And you could argue that civic pride means

554
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Speaker 2: people are more willing to do more for their city

555
00:26:02,973 --> 00:26:07,973
Speaker 2: as a citizen brings in in businesses, you know, and

556
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Speaker 2: I mean obviously there's got to be a balance. But

557
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Speaker 2: for a city to feel vibrant, it can't just be

558
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Speaker 2: a fully functional I know, behind the iron curtain kind

559
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Speaker 2: of city with just conquering that works perfectly for the

560
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Speaker 2: functions that are needed to live in the city.

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Speaker 3: I just want to see what their budget is for

562
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Speaker 3: murals and artworks. Like in my house, right, my budget

563
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Speaker 3: for nice artworks is probably five percent away income. Wow,

564
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Speaker 3: maybe that's a bit high. It's a bit high.

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Speaker 16: Maybe maybe three maybe three percent, but no, look but yeah,

566
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Speaker 16: I get that. But I think that the problem is

567
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Speaker 16: more an efficiency. So if I go to a nice hotel, right, yep,

568
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Speaker 16: then it's a business, right yep. But they still can

569
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Speaker 16: afford to have nice artwork in there. They can still

570
00:27:04,093 --> 00:27:07,093
Speaker 16: afford to have a water feature, yep. They and they

571
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Speaker 16: make money because they're business than they're efficient. So I

572
00:27:11,133 --> 00:27:14,613
Speaker 16: believe it's the efficiency of councils is the problem, not

573
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Speaker 16: the art and the water features. So if you get

574
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Speaker 16: everything else more efficient, then you can have these things

575
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Speaker 16: and rates won't go up.

576
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but everyone knows someone that works at a council

577
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Speaker 2: that jokes around about how it's hard it is to

578
00:27:27,413 --> 00:27:30,693
Speaker 2: get anything done, how many meetings they're doing, and you

579
00:27:30,733 --> 00:27:34,693
Speaker 2: know how excited they are to do nothing, and how

580
00:27:34,693 --> 00:27:37,893
Speaker 2: there's no incentive to do things better. Everyone knows someone

581
00:27:37,893 --> 00:27:39,613
Speaker 2: that says that. I'm not saying that all people that

582
00:27:39,613 --> 00:27:41,373
Speaker 2: work for the council like that. I'm not even saying

583
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Speaker 2: the majority, but I guarantee most people know someone that

584
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Speaker 2: works for a city council that has that chat.

585
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Speaker 3: It's a job for life, isn't it. For most people

586
00:27:49,613 --> 00:27:52,573
Speaker 3: once they get their claws into a council operation, very

587
00:27:52,613 --> 00:27:54,893
Speaker 3: hard to pry them out of that because it's money

588
00:27:54,893 --> 00:27:56,733
Speaker 3: for jam for a lot of people in council. Do

589
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Speaker 3: you agree? Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten to eighty, Alita,

590
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Speaker 3: how are you?

591
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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 17: Ho there, I've just pulled into the save market, but

593
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Speaker 17: I'll take the call first. Yeah, I'm an Auckland council.

594
00:28:07,733 --> 00:28:13,013
Speaker 17: I love an apartment complex in downtown and this Christmas

595
00:28:13,053 --> 00:28:16,213
Speaker 17: tree that's apparently cost about a million dollars all up.

596
00:28:16,813 --> 00:28:19,573
Speaker 17: I mean it's beautiful in everything, but you know, I

597
00:28:19,613 --> 00:28:23,453
Speaker 17: would rather not have a rate hike, you know, in

598
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Speaker 17: our rates. I mean, the tree is going to get vandalized.

599
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Speaker 17: It's I mean, well, why when when do they make

600
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Speaker 17: these decisions to make these huge purchases before rate payers

601
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Speaker 17: know about it or have a chance to comment about it.

602
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Speaker 2: Do you think there should be a Christmas tree, just

603
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Speaker 2: not a million dollar Christmas tree?

604
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Speaker 17: Yes, it's deadly. A Christmas tree would be fine, you know,

605
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Speaker 17: but not not a million dollar Christmas tree. Apparently it's

606
00:28:51,773 --> 00:28:53,693
Speaker 17: I mean, it's going to get vandalized. Look at all

607
00:28:53,733 --> 00:28:57,653
Speaker 17: the homeless problem we have downtown, and and you know,

608
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Speaker 17: it's apparently cost a lot of money to store it

609
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Speaker 17: and then to erect it and take it down, so

610
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Speaker 17: that it'll cost money.

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Speaker 3: Is it the same tree, the same tree that they

612
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Speaker 3: roll out each year?

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Speaker 18: Oh?

614
00:29:08,493 --> 00:29:11,213
Speaker 3: True, So it's a real tree. They must have it

615
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Speaker 3: in a massive pot. We talked about this yesterday. How

616
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Speaker 3: do you keep it alive?

617
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Speaker 19: I don't know.

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Speaker 17: But no, it's a brand new thing they've just bought.

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Speaker 17: And I think I don't think it was around last year,

620
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Speaker 17: but it's definitely a feature this year. And probably it's

621
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Speaker 17: got these fantastic lights on it. But you know what, really,

622
00:29:32,653 --> 00:29:35,373
Speaker 17: you know, some people are really struggling with their rates,

623
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Speaker 17: you know, especially tens.

624
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Speaker 2: But could you argue a beautiful, really flashed Christmas tree

625
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Speaker 2: in the center of a city, but can become a

626
00:29:44,413 --> 00:29:47,733
Speaker 2: thing that helps people celebrate Christmas and it makes them

627
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Speaker 2: go into the CBD to spend money at the businesses

628
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Speaker 2: and and therefore lifts the sort of lifts the sort

629
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Speaker 2: of glamour of the time of year, and you know,

630
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Speaker 2: raises morale in the city.

631
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Speaker 17: I'm sure, I'm sure you could have all of that,

632
00:30:06,053 --> 00:30:09,573
Speaker 17: but doesn't have to be that extravagant Ron'm saying. I

633
00:30:09,613 --> 00:30:14,933
Speaker 17: think it's an over extravagant spend. And you know, why

634
00:30:14,973 --> 00:30:18,013
Speaker 17: can't rate players have a say when they do this

635
00:30:18,093 --> 00:30:21,133
Speaker 17: sort of thing. It's like these these councilors that sit

636
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Speaker 17: in these meetings, maybe these decisions and then they just

637
00:30:24,813 --> 00:30:27,573
Speaker 17: do it, but nobody gets to vote on it today.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's an artificial treat Tyler by the way,

639
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Speaker 2: Oh okay, And that makes sense. And it was new

640
00:30:32,733 --> 00:30:34,613
Speaker 2: last year and it is it is big, and it

641
00:30:34,693 --> 00:30:36,493
Speaker 2: is and is beautiful. And you have things like New

642
00:30:36,573 --> 00:30:38,853
Speaker 2: York where they have that giant Christmas tree, although that's

643
00:30:38,893 --> 00:30:41,253
Speaker 2: donated by Norway, isn't it And it's shipped in every year.

644
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Speaker 3: Yeah, fascinating.

645
00:30:42,653 --> 00:30:45,133
Speaker 2: But these things, these things can be the center of

646
00:30:45,213 --> 00:30:50,133
Speaker 2: something really important and big and memories for young people,

647
00:30:50,453 --> 00:30:55,213
Speaker 2: and you know there is I can. Yeah, it's just

648
00:30:55,253 --> 00:30:58,253
Speaker 2: the price, right, yeah, I mean if it's itemized.

649
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Speaker 3: I mean this is where I get hoisted by my

650
00:31:00,093 --> 00:31:02,133
Speaker 3: own petard that I'm okay with the Christmas tree, So

651
00:31:02,213 --> 00:31:05,173
Speaker 3: charge me for that one. But entry into motat no,

652
00:31:05,733 --> 00:31:06,533
Speaker 3: I'm not interested.

653
00:31:08,093 --> 00:31:09,613
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much for your call.

654
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Speaker 3: Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is a number

655
00:31:11,613 --> 00:31:13,893
Speaker 3: to call A couple of teachs coming through User pays.

656
00:31:13,893 --> 00:31:17,693
Speaker 2: Aukland Council charge each household for a food scrappin that

657
00:31:17,773 --> 00:31:20,493
Speaker 2: most don't use. Those who want these type of services

658
00:31:20,533 --> 00:31:22,533
Speaker 2: should pay for them. I know, I know a person

659
00:31:22,573 --> 00:31:25,013
Speaker 2: that put the scrappin in their recyclingment?

660
00:31:25,373 --> 00:31:26,053
Speaker 6: Who was that? Me?

661
00:31:27,213 --> 00:31:29,093
Speaker 3: There's sixteen minutes to do.

662
00:31:30,133 --> 00:31:33,613
Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

663
00:31:33,853 --> 00:31:37,693
Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used

664
00:31:37,693 --> 00:31:38,373
Speaker 1: talks that'd be.

665
00:31:38,493 --> 00:31:40,893
Speaker 3: It is thirteen to two. So what is the dumb

666
00:31:40,933 --> 00:31:45,173
Speaker 3: stuff that council should cut out of their budget ahead

667
00:31:45,173 --> 00:31:47,453
Speaker 3: of this rates cat that's been proposed by the government.

668
00:31:47,653 --> 00:31:49,613
Speaker 2: As far as rates go, I feel it should be

669
00:31:49,653 --> 00:31:54,093
Speaker 2: mandated water sewage roading waste after all that is covered off,

670
00:31:54,173 --> 00:31:56,893
Speaker 2: then and only then can they spend on things like

671
00:31:56,933 --> 00:32:02,693
Speaker 2: public transport, parks, pools, libraries, those things. Those types of

672
00:32:02,733 --> 00:32:06,133
Speaker 2: things should be mandated and put in an audit of priority.

673
00:32:06,813 --> 00:32:07,533
Speaker 2: All right, there you go.

674
00:32:08,333 --> 00:32:10,373
Speaker 3: Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

675
00:32:10,413 --> 00:32:12,973
Speaker 3: to call, Bruce? How are you?

676
00:32:14,133 --> 00:32:14,333
Speaker 6: Yeah?

677
00:32:14,373 --> 00:32:14,533
Speaker 20: Good?

678
00:32:14,573 --> 00:32:14,693
Speaker 21: Ay?

679
00:32:14,973 --> 00:32:17,693
Speaker 9: Hey, you stole on my line there. I agree with

680
00:32:17,733 --> 00:32:20,293
Speaker 9: there's three hundred percent. I don't think we'd be having

681
00:32:20,293 --> 00:32:22,653
Speaker 9: this discussion if they've got those basics done in the

682
00:32:22,653 --> 00:32:25,253
Speaker 9: first place, people would be more flexible about it. We

683
00:32:25,253 --> 00:32:26,813
Speaker 9: shouldn't be having to choose a tree.

684
00:32:26,653 --> 00:32:27,893
Speaker 5: Statues on sewage.

685
00:32:28,693 --> 00:32:30,613
Speaker 9: Get the basics done first. Then there's a bit of

686
00:32:30,693 --> 00:32:32,653
Speaker 9: rigger room around the end for the knights to haves

687
00:32:32,733 --> 00:32:35,653
Speaker 9: rather than the compulsory bits and pieces. And I think

688
00:32:35,693 --> 00:32:39,253
Speaker 9: people have the perception the council have moved towards the

689
00:32:39,333 --> 00:32:41,853
Speaker 9: Knights to haves and are looking at the prices and things,

690
00:32:42,213 --> 00:32:46,493
Speaker 9: Whereas because they're disgruntled about everything else, what about.

691
00:32:46,533 --> 00:32:49,453
Speaker 2: They're not, you know, the basics, but doing the basics

692
00:32:49,613 --> 00:32:53,293
Speaker 2: In a two, I guess we'll want a better word

693
00:32:53,333 --> 00:32:57,293
Speaker 2: flashway so you can do infrastructure so it works. But

694
00:32:57,373 --> 00:33:00,293
Speaker 2: then I think some of these projects that we undertake,

695
00:33:00,373 --> 00:33:05,893
Speaker 2: they've gone for the five star luxury absolute bonus version

696
00:33:06,573 --> 00:33:10,653
Speaker 2: instead of then and the functional version. So for example,

697
00:33:10,973 --> 00:33:13,373
Speaker 2: you might want a pedestrian costing as I said before,

698
00:33:13,413 --> 00:33:15,293
Speaker 2: but why can't it just be paint on the road

699
00:33:15,333 --> 00:33:17,013
Speaker 2: that then you've done it, and then.

700
00:33:18,613 --> 00:33:23,413
Speaker 9: I would agree, I agree ninety five percent. The problem

701
00:33:23,453 --> 00:33:27,693
Speaker 9: is that when you're doing a commercial the construction standards

702
00:33:27,693 --> 00:33:30,533
Speaker 9: are a lot higher than the residential So we all

703
00:33:30,533 --> 00:33:32,293
Speaker 9: look at some of these bills and say, hey, that's

704
00:33:32,333 --> 00:33:34,493
Speaker 9: over the top. But at the end of the day,

705
00:33:34,813 --> 00:33:36,573
Speaker 9: they do have to be built to last. So as

706
00:33:36,613 --> 00:33:38,413
Speaker 9: long as they've built to last in news, we don't

707
00:33:38,413 --> 00:33:41,973
Speaker 9: need to be the guilt edged or the posh PONSI one.

708
00:33:42,053 --> 00:33:46,973
Speaker 9: They don't need to win design awards. I'm not against

709
00:33:47,013 --> 00:33:49,373
Speaker 9: trying to add to the vibe of the city, but

710
00:33:49,573 --> 00:33:52,013
Speaker 9: get the basics right first. Then there's a bit more

711
00:33:52,133 --> 00:33:54,093
Speaker 9: rigor room and a bit more room to put those

712
00:33:54,133 --> 00:33:54,853
Speaker 9: other things on.

713
00:33:55,293 --> 00:33:58,373
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting because I keep saying to people that

714
00:33:58,373 --> 00:34:00,213
Speaker 2: the city rail link cost too much for the side

715
00:34:00,253 --> 00:34:02,653
Speaker 2: of the size of the population, and what people come

716
00:34:02,693 --> 00:34:04,693
Speaker 2: back and say is have you seen it? It's beautiful?

717
00:34:04,693 --> 00:34:07,573
Speaker 2: And it's going to be amazing, And I think, yeah,

718
00:34:07,853 --> 00:34:09,812
Speaker 2: I'm sure it is beautiful, and I'll probably be really

719
00:34:09,853 --> 00:34:12,333
Speaker 2: impressed by it. But the question is can we afford

720
00:34:12,373 --> 00:34:15,732
Speaker 2: a five point five billion dollar piece of infrastructure and

721
00:34:15,813 --> 00:34:17,933
Speaker 2: a city of one point five million that costs two

722
00:34:18,013 --> 00:34:20,773
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty five million a year to up to

723
00:34:21,053 --> 00:34:23,093
Speaker 2: just run it no matter how many people catch it?

724
00:34:23,653 --> 00:34:26,013
Speaker 2: And so you go, well, could was there a sort

725
00:34:26,013 --> 00:34:27,973
Speaker 2: of a not so flash version of what we could

726
00:34:27,973 --> 00:34:28,773
Speaker 2: have could have made?

727
00:34:29,133 --> 00:34:29,333
Speaker 6: You know?

728
00:34:29,573 --> 00:34:32,413
Speaker 9: Yeah, I love it. Malborough and molb has been through

729
00:34:32,453 --> 00:34:35,333
Speaker 9: that same process with a couple of very big libraries

730
00:34:35,373 --> 00:34:37,413
Speaker 9: and sure they're nice to have and they look great,

731
00:34:37,493 --> 00:34:40,172
Speaker 9: and government might central government might have helped with them,

732
00:34:40,213 --> 00:34:42,413
Speaker 9: and they might have won a few design awards. But

733
00:34:42,493 --> 00:34:44,373
Speaker 9: at the end of our sup poor rate pos paying

734
00:34:44,413 --> 00:34:46,933
Speaker 9: another twenty thirty forty percent of their rates.

735
00:34:47,213 --> 00:34:50,613
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank of you. Cool Bruce Aaron, Welcome to the show.

736
00:34:51,813 --> 00:34:54,093
Speaker 7: Hey, I really have to agree with Bruce there. Actually

737
00:34:54,373 --> 00:34:57,373
Speaker 7: I'm pretty much are on point, and so were you

738
00:34:57,453 --> 00:35:00,693
Speaker 7: with your comment. We've really got to get out of

739
00:35:00,053 --> 00:35:03,413
Speaker 7: the artsy ARSI stuff and g just get back to

740
00:35:03,453 --> 00:35:09,293
Speaker 7: the basic infrastructure projects. But gone to last and less

741
00:35:09,733 --> 00:35:11,812
Speaker 7: artistic fleaar at the end of it. If we can't

742
00:35:11,813 --> 00:35:14,053
Speaker 7: afford it's the same as you. If you can't afford

743
00:35:14,133 --> 00:35:15,933
Speaker 7: to live at home, you count the budget. So what

744
00:35:15,933 --> 00:35:18,933
Speaker 7: do you do? Art Work comes to the last if

745
00:35:18,973 --> 00:35:22,373
Speaker 7: you have money left over by nice painting for rest

746
00:35:22,373 --> 00:35:24,613
Speaker 7: of it. But for rest of it, it's the same

747
00:35:24,653 --> 00:35:26,453
Speaker 7: as that at home. If you can't afford your budget,

748
00:35:26,493 --> 00:35:30,253
Speaker 7: you cut back the fluffy stuff. And I read an

749
00:35:30,333 --> 00:35:33,533
Speaker 7: article yesterday regarding the home and tunnel having a not

750
00:35:34,013 --> 00:35:37,652
Speaker 7: quite mainly scenario. But the home tunnel, we're putting artwork

751
00:35:37,693 --> 00:35:40,213
Speaker 7: into it. I'm going we've still got potholes in the

752
00:35:40,213 --> 00:35:43,292
Speaker 7: main highways and MZTA spinning on artwork down there.

753
00:35:43,893 --> 00:35:44,293
Speaker 6: Yeah.

754
00:35:44,333 --> 00:35:47,933
Speaker 7: Cool, nice tunnel, it's well every way if you sleep,

755
00:35:48,013 --> 00:35:49,733
Speaker 7: guests will get setters to go through the country.

756
00:35:49,853 --> 00:35:50,813
Speaker 2: But beautiful.

757
00:35:50,973 --> 00:35:53,293
Speaker 7: I meanwhile, walk the motorways still got potholes and rest

758
00:35:53,293 --> 00:35:55,333
Speaker 7: of the country is still scratching heads going, oh we're

759
00:35:55,333 --> 00:35:58,732
Speaker 7: going to have to drive around these yeah, spot on, Yeah,

760
00:35:58,853 --> 00:35:59,813
Speaker 7: like counsels.

761
00:36:00,173 --> 00:36:01,613
Speaker 3: I was just got to say that, I think that's it.

762
00:36:01,693 --> 00:36:03,813
Speaker 3: You know, I like going out to festivals as much

763
00:36:03,853 --> 00:36:06,573
Speaker 3: as the knicks man, But when you know, I can't

764
00:36:06,613 --> 00:36:09,732
Speaker 3: afford any more rates increases in crime. I'm sorry. Yeah yeah,

765
00:36:09,973 --> 00:36:13,413
Speaker 3: summer music festival for free for everybody over summer. It's

766
00:36:13,453 --> 00:36:16,093
Speaker 3: lovely and we all want, you know, the black seeds

767
00:36:16,093 --> 00:36:18,533
Speaker 3: that come down, but times are tight. We can't have

768
00:36:18,613 --> 00:36:20,493
Speaker 3: the black seeds this year. I'm sorry, but.

769
00:36:20,453 --> 00:36:22,373
Speaker 7: Hang on a second, Hang on a second. Why can't

770
00:36:22,373 --> 00:36:24,693
Speaker 7: we open this up so we have community groups that

771
00:36:24,813 --> 00:36:27,933
Speaker 7: have better excess with LEAs red tape and least be

772
00:36:28,373 --> 00:36:31,173
Speaker 7: the way to actually run local events without having to

773
00:36:31,213 --> 00:36:34,893
Speaker 7: make them jump over hurd alls or buildings. In this case, well,

774
00:36:34,933 --> 00:36:37,013
Speaker 7: that is very hard to want to run something.

775
00:36:37,093 --> 00:36:38,533
Speaker 2: That's a good point. It's really hard to run a

776
00:36:38,573 --> 00:36:41,133
Speaker 2: commercial thing. And then in some ways you're competing with

777
00:36:41,133 --> 00:36:42,453
Speaker 2: the council that are running their own thing.

778
00:36:43,453 --> 00:36:44,933
Speaker 7: Yeah, well here you go. If you go back to

779
00:36:44,933 --> 00:36:47,533
Speaker 7: your Christmas tree of an Auckland for example, if we

780
00:36:47,573 --> 00:36:49,652
Speaker 7: have a caller just before, if you were to open

781
00:36:49,733 --> 00:36:52,333
Speaker 7: up to the local business association could fund a tree

782
00:36:52,413 --> 00:36:55,093
Speaker 7: if it's if they're seeing the advantage of people coming

783
00:36:55,093 --> 00:36:58,173
Speaker 7: in they can from a tree. Why do we have

784
00:36:58,173 --> 00:36:59,173
Speaker 7: to pay for the tree?

785
00:37:00,173 --> 00:37:02,333
Speaker 2: Well, they did pay for some of that. Do you

786
00:37:02,413 --> 00:37:04,533
Speaker 2: know what it reminds me of what Aaron's saying. There is

787
00:37:04,573 --> 00:37:07,133
Speaker 2: when I was a kid, we were going through tough

788
00:37:07,133 --> 00:37:09,733
Speaker 2: times financially, and my dad set me and all the

789
00:37:09,853 --> 00:37:12,493
Speaker 2: all my sisters down, big family yep, and said, you

790
00:37:12,533 --> 00:37:14,973
Speaker 2: know what, We're not doing so well financially. So now

791
00:37:15,053 --> 00:37:17,893
Speaker 2: fish and chip night on Friday. We're going to be

792
00:37:18,013 --> 00:37:20,533
Speaker 2: cooking sausages on the barbecue and I'm just bringing chips on.

793
00:37:20,733 --> 00:37:23,053
Speaker 3: Well, that's tough to hear. It is tough to hear. No,

794
00:37:23,413 --> 00:37:25,493
Speaker 3: it was great, Oh you're into it. Well, and I

795
00:37:25,653 --> 00:37:26,333
Speaker 3: still compromise.

796
00:37:26,413 --> 00:37:29,453
Speaker 2: Still had chips and we had sausages at a tomato sauce.

797
00:37:29,653 --> 00:37:32,293
Speaker 3: Just no no fish. Fish was off the meaning.

798
00:37:32,173 --> 00:37:36,973
Speaker 2: Hot dogs, no fish, no pineapple rings, no chops. Are

799
00:37:37,013 --> 00:37:40,493
Speaker 2: we patty? But there was, but there was still we

800
00:37:40,493 --> 00:37:43,453
Speaker 2: were still having fish and chip night. I didn't even care.

801
00:37:44,253 --> 00:37:46,573
Speaker 3: So there's all councils need to hear. Just think about

802
00:37:46,813 --> 00:37:48,893
Speaker 3: He's family and fish and chip night. You can still

803
00:37:48,933 --> 00:37:52,333
Speaker 3: do it, just just the chippies, none of the fancy stuff.

804
00:37:52,933 --> 00:37:55,252
Speaker 3: Right back in the mow. It is seven minutes to two.

805
00:37:56,413 --> 00:37:59,973
Speaker 1: Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred

806
00:37:59,973 --> 00:38:03,373
Speaker 1: and eighty tight It's mad Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons

807
00:38:03,493 --> 00:38:04,813
Speaker 1: News DOGSB.

808
00:38:05,933 --> 00:38:11,253
Speaker 3: News Dogs THEREB. It is four two. Great discussion on

809
00:38:11,333 --> 00:38:13,133
Speaker 3: the old rates cap and what is the dumb stuff

810
00:38:13,133 --> 00:38:16,732
Speaker 3: Council doing? So thank you very much to everyone who

811
00:38:16,973 --> 00:38:20,773
Speaker 3: called and text through on that one. Really enjoyed that discussion.

812
00:38:22,013 --> 00:38:24,933
Speaker 2: I feel we may not have sorted it out. No, no,

813
00:38:25,373 --> 00:38:27,173
Speaker 2: I think we'll go back to this topic in the future.

814
00:38:27,333 --> 00:38:29,653
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly right. Coming up next, we want to have

815
00:38:29,693 --> 00:38:32,493
Speaker 3: a chat about organ donation. Great story in the New

816
00:38:32,573 --> 00:38:35,212
Speaker 3: Zealand Herald. Have you done it or have you been

817
00:38:35,333 --> 00:38:38,533
Speaker 3: a recipient of organ donation? We'll team all very shortly.

818
00:38:38,773 --> 00:38:41,333
Speaker 2: Oh, this is the great Solomeo with little drum Boy.

819
00:38:41,573 --> 00:38:43,293
Speaker 3: Beautiful news is coming up.

820
00:38:43,333 --> 00:38:44,733
Speaker 2: Great New Zealanders.

821
00:38:46,613 --> 00:38:50,413
Speaker 1: Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen Taylor Adams

822
00:38:50,453 --> 00:38:52,253
Speaker 1: Afternoons News Talks.

823
00:38:52,293 --> 00:38:56,813
Speaker 3: It'd be very good Afternoons. You welcome back into the program.

824
00:38:56,853 --> 00:39:00,253
Speaker 3: Really good to have your company as always. Now it's

825
00:39:00,293 --> 00:39:02,333
Speaker 3: going to be an interesting conversation. We want to talk

826
00:39:02,333 --> 00:39:05,133
Speaker 3: about organ donation. This is after a story that's in

827
00:39:05,173 --> 00:39:07,653
Speaker 3: the Herald right now. You can have a read of it.

828
00:39:07,693 --> 00:39:09,733
Speaker 3: But it's a story of a woman who went through

829
00:39:09,853 --> 00:39:13,493
Speaker 3: a bitter, messy breakup. Then years later she actually ended

830
00:39:13,573 --> 00:39:17,213
Speaker 3: up donating a kidney to her ex husband's current wife.

831
00:39:17,813 --> 00:39:20,693
Speaker 3: So it was a rocky pass with his particular husband.

832
00:39:21,253 --> 00:39:24,453
Speaker 3: But this wife, when she needed a donation and they

833
00:39:24,453 --> 00:39:26,773
Speaker 3: did the DNA testing and found that she was the

834
00:39:26,773 --> 00:39:29,893
Speaker 3: perfect match, she put all of that messiness behind her,

835
00:39:30,013 --> 00:39:34,973
Speaker 3: stepped up and donated an organ to her ex husband's wife.

836
00:39:36,093 --> 00:39:39,333
Speaker 2: Beautiful, beautiful forgiving and moving on.

837
00:39:39,493 --> 00:39:41,813
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is a beautiful story, but it's a hell

838
00:39:41,853 --> 00:39:44,653
Speaker 3: of a thing. I mean, even in that situation, I don't.

839
00:39:44,493 --> 00:39:48,013
Speaker 2: Really understand organ donations. So I'd love to talk to

840
00:39:48,013 --> 00:39:50,173
Speaker 2: people in our eight hundred and eighty ten eighty people

841
00:39:50,173 --> 00:39:53,773
Speaker 2: that have donated an organ and people that have received organs.

842
00:39:54,493 --> 00:39:58,293
Speaker 2: I mean, there's a living donation, part of which I

843
00:39:58,293 --> 00:40:04,173
Speaker 2: guess is primarily kidneys and part liver transparts I believe.

844
00:40:04,213 --> 00:40:06,173
Speaker 2: I mean, when you're alive, it's you can't donate your

845
00:40:06,253 --> 00:40:08,213
Speaker 2: lungs or your heart obviously.

846
00:40:07,973 --> 00:40:09,093
Speaker 3: Get no, you need those.

847
00:40:09,413 --> 00:40:13,973
Speaker 2: But but also with the organ donation. Because I'm on

848
00:40:14,053 --> 00:40:17,853
Speaker 2: my license, I I list myself as an organ donor,

849
00:40:18,333 --> 00:40:20,333
Speaker 2: but I only just recently found out I was. I

850
00:40:20,373 --> 00:40:23,293
Speaker 2: was talking to someone socially and she was working in

851
00:40:23,293 --> 00:40:25,493
Speaker 2: this field, and she was like that just having that

852
00:40:25,533 --> 00:40:28,173
Speaker 2: on your license doesn't mean that they immediately. I just

853
00:40:28,213 --> 00:40:29,853
Speaker 2: thought i'd be farmed as soon as I went down.

854
00:40:30,413 --> 00:40:31,853
Speaker 2: I thought they'd find me on the side of the road,

855
00:40:31,933 --> 00:40:33,773
Speaker 2: just farm me for my bits Yep, that's how I thought.

856
00:40:33,773 --> 00:40:34,173
Speaker 2: I was signy.

857
00:40:34,253 --> 00:40:35,692
Speaker 3: What has he got there? It's still good to go?

858
00:40:35,933 --> 00:40:41,652
Speaker 2: Yeah, well leaves liver behind or I don't know about

859
00:40:41,693 --> 00:40:45,652
Speaker 2: that one about his lungs, Yea're not great. But there's

860
00:40:45,693 --> 00:40:47,973
Speaker 2: a whole process after that with your family and so

861
00:40:47,973 --> 00:40:50,093
Speaker 2: it must be so hard. I mean, it is obviously

862
00:40:50,133 --> 00:40:53,173
Speaker 2: famously hard for people to to get the organs that

863
00:40:53,213 --> 00:40:57,053
Speaker 2: are needed in the in our health system because of

864
00:40:57,333 --> 00:41:00,533
Speaker 2: the steps that you can understandably the steps that have

865
00:41:00,573 --> 00:41:03,173
Speaker 2: to be gone through to get these donations. But the

866
00:41:03,213 --> 00:41:05,453
Speaker 2: living donations is quite interesting, isn't it.

867
00:41:05,453 --> 00:41:08,333
Speaker 3: It is if you have been an living organ, don't

868
00:41:08,413 --> 00:41:10,093
Speaker 3: I'd love to hear from your on eight hundred and

869
00:41:10,093 --> 00:41:12,133
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty, or if you've been the recipient, what

870
00:41:12,333 --> 00:41:14,573
Speaker 3: was the story behind that? Did you know them beforehand?

871
00:41:14,613 --> 00:41:16,413
Speaker 3: Because there is a lot of people out there that

872
00:41:17,413 --> 00:41:19,893
Speaker 3: don't necessarily know who is going to get their organ

873
00:41:20,253 --> 00:41:23,413
Speaker 3: They are just clearly some of the best people out

874
00:41:23,493 --> 00:41:26,613
Speaker 3: there that decide there's someone out there that needs my liver.

875
00:41:26,973 --> 00:41:30,733
Speaker 2: So there's people that will donate just their their kidney.

876
00:41:30,653 --> 00:41:33,293
Speaker 2: They're definitely just into the system.

877
00:41:33,373 --> 00:41:35,973
Speaker 3: Yep, yep. So they'll register with the organ Donation New

878
00:41:36,093 --> 00:41:37,853
Speaker 3: Zealand and if they get the call up and say,

879
00:41:37,893 --> 00:41:40,333
Speaker 3: hey there's somebody that desperately needs a liver and you're

880
00:41:40,373 --> 00:41:43,133
Speaker 3: a match, Wow, go for gold.

881
00:41:43,413 --> 00:41:44,293
Speaker 2: What great people.

882
00:41:44,333 --> 00:41:45,573
Speaker 3: They are stunning, isn't it.

883
00:41:46,213 --> 00:41:50,693
Speaker 2: I mean, well, is there any any loss of you know,

884
00:41:50,773 --> 00:41:52,693
Speaker 2: is there any health disadvantage for you at all to

885
00:41:53,013 --> 00:41:54,813
Speaker 2: to only have one kidney?

886
00:41:54,893 --> 00:41:58,413
Speaker 3: It's a great question. I mean the famous instance in

887
00:41:58,453 --> 00:42:00,413
Speaker 3: New Zealand and I think you knew them, but Grant

888
00:42:00,493 --> 00:42:04,573
Speaker 3: Kittyama of course donated to John MoMu. Yeah, but I

889
00:42:04,573 --> 00:42:07,813
Speaker 3: imagine there is you know, some setbacks if you donate

890
00:42:07,853 --> 00:42:10,093
Speaker 3: an Auckland organ. I'd love to hear from you. I

891
00:42:10,133 --> 00:42:11,333
Speaker 3: eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

892
00:42:11,453 --> 00:42:14,613
Speaker 2: Donating kidney does not reduce life expectency. Studies consistently show

893
00:42:14,693 --> 00:42:17,333
Speaker 2: that well screen kidney donors have a life expecting equivalent

894
00:42:17,373 --> 00:42:21,653
Speaker 2: to or even better than the genital population. Wow, so

895
00:42:22,173 --> 00:42:24,693
Speaker 2: it tends slightly to better.

896
00:42:24,933 --> 00:42:26,013
Speaker 3: It takes you a good thing.

897
00:42:26,333 --> 00:42:28,213
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I wonder if you went around feeling,

898
00:42:29,093 --> 00:42:31,933
Speaker 2: you know, good about yourself. Yeah, you know, you go, look,

899
00:42:31,973 --> 00:42:35,053
Speaker 2: I'm maybe a scumbag. I may have done this, I

900
00:42:35,133 --> 00:42:38,453
Speaker 2: may have done that, but I did donate a kidney.

901
00:42:38,493 --> 00:42:40,733
Speaker 2: It's a massive mental health boost, no doubt about it.

902
00:42:40,773 --> 00:42:40,893
Speaker 6: Oh.

903
00:42:40,933 --> 00:42:42,692
Speaker 3: Eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

904
00:42:42,693 --> 00:42:44,613
Speaker 3: to call if you've been a recipient or you have

905
00:42:44,773 --> 00:42:47,933
Speaker 3: donated your own organs, whether that was to family, someone

906
00:42:47,933 --> 00:42:50,693
Speaker 3: you knew, or indeed a stranger really keen to have

907
00:42:50,693 --> 00:42:52,173
Speaker 3: a chat with you. Nine two nine two is that

908
00:42:52,253 --> 00:42:56,733
Speaker 3: text numbers? Well back very shortly. It is eleven minutes

909
00:42:56,773 --> 00:42:57,292
Speaker 3: past two.

910
00:42:57,613 --> 00:43:01,293
Speaker 2: Research, including a significant study in Australia and New Zealand,

911
00:43:01,293 --> 00:43:03,373
Speaker 2: has found that the survival rate of kidney donors is

912
00:43:03,413 --> 00:43:07,293
Speaker 2: actually higher and because of the amount of investigation that

913
00:43:07,333 --> 00:43:11,013
Speaker 2: goes into you before you donate the kidney. It actually

914
00:43:11,533 --> 00:43:14,893
Speaker 2: because you know, you get thoroughly inspected before you donate it. Right, Yeah,

915
00:43:14,933 --> 00:43:19,413
Speaker 2: So statistically it's actually better for your health because you've

916
00:43:19,413 --> 00:43:22,653
Speaker 2: been you know, totally looked at and overhaul than anything

917
00:43:23,053 --> 00:43:25,373
Speaker 2: that's wrong with you will be discovered at that point.

918
00:43:25,493 --> 00:43:26,333
Speaker 3: That is fascinating.

919
00:43:26,453 --> 00:43:29,173
Speaker 2: So so you know it's it's both a very empathetic

920
00:43:29,213 --> 00:43:32,652
Speaker 2: thing to do, but some good, some good can come

921
00:43:32,653 --> 00:43:33,613
Speaker 2: back your way for doing it.

922
00:43:33,613 --> 00:43:34,373
Speaker 3: Should we sign up?

923
00:43:34,853 --> 00:43:34,933
Speaker 6: Oh?

924
00:43:35,013 --> 00:43:37,293
Speaker 3: One hundred eighty ten eighty is that number? It is

925
00:43:37,453 --> 00:43:40,453
Speaker 3: eleven past two. You're listening to Matt and Tyler Good afternoons. Yeah,

926
00:43:40,493 --> 00:43:42,533
Speaker 3: they can't take your liver when you're alive. Your Muppets'

927
00:43:42,533 --> 00:43:45,133
Speaker 3: is don They can you can do partial living liver

928
00:43:45,173 --> 00:43:47,053
Speaker 3: of transplants. Yeah, take that don You can't do the

929
00:43:47,093 --> 00:43:48,653
Speaker 3: whole thing. We've done the research.

930
00:43:48,693 --> 00:43:49,893
Speaker 2: Man your muppet don.

931
00:43:52,373 --> 00:43:56,533
Speaker 1: Your home of afternoon Talk, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons

932
00:43:56,733 --> 00:43:59,493
Speaker 1: call eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth talk.

933
00:43:59,413 --> 00:43:59,733
Speaker 20: Said, be.

934
00:44:01,853 --> 00:44:04,733
Speaker 3: Very good afternoon. So we are talking about organ donation

935
00:44:04,973 --> 00:44:07,252
Speaker 3: in New Zealand. If you've been a recipient or you've

936
00:44:07,293 --> 00:44:09,413
Speaker 3: donated one of your own organs, we'd love to hear

937
00:44:09,413 --> 00:44:11,453
Speaker 3: from you on O one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

938
00:44:12,093 --> 00:44:14,613
Speaker 2: The sixth is very admirable to donate a kidney, But

939
00:44:14,733 --> 00:44:17,453
Speaker 2: if you do that and you only have one, then

940
00:44:17,693 --> 00:44:20,413
Speaker 2: your kidney fails. What next if you've donated a kidney,

941
00:44:20,533 --> 00:44:23,133
Speaker 2: you on hire up the list for one if you

942
00:44:23,173 --> 00:44:26,013
Speaker 2: happen to need one. Imagine, imagine they'd go in there

943
00:44:26,253 --> 00:44:29,013
Speaker 2: when they're getting one out. And by definition, if you

944
00:44:29,013 --> 00:44:30,812
Speaker 2: can donate it, you've probably got real good ones.

945
00:44:31,053 --> 00:44:35,613
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, very true. Yeah. Luise, how are you hi?

946
00:44:35,653 --> 00:44:35,973
Speaker 7: I'm good?

947
00:44:36,013 --> 00:44:36,293
Speaker 21: Thank you?

948
00:44:36,333 --> 00:44:36,813
Speaker 15: How are you?

949
00:44:36,973 --> 00:44:38,933
Speaker 3: Very good? So your daughter was a recipient of an

950
00:44:38,973 --> 00:44:39,653
Speaker 3: organ donation.

951
00:44:41,293 --> 00:44:43,413
Speaker 15: She was This is a great call for me to make,

952
00:44:43,453 --> 00:44:46,693
Speaker 15: but I want to make it because until you're in

953
00:44:46,693 --> 00:44:51,293
Speaker 15: that situation, you really don't have much idea. So my

954
00:44:51,493 --> 00:44:55,373
Speaker 15: daughter was seventeen and had a car accident and lost

955
00:44:55,453 --> 00:44:59,413
Speaker 15: her kidney function because being seventeen, unfortunately you didn't have

956
00:44:59,453 --> 00:45:05,093
Speaker 15: a seatbelt on. So for a few years she did

957
00:45:05,373 --> 00:45:09,973
Speaker 15: something that's called TAPD through your perit and neal cavity,

958
00:45:10,253 --> 00:45:14,733
Speaker 15: a form of dialysis which is say it's life stating,

959
00:45:14,813 --> 00:45:18,172
Speaker 15: but it's quite complicated and it's restrictive. So she did

960
00:45:18,173 --> 00:45:23,013
Speaker 15: that and was on a kidney donational list for three

961
00:45:24,253 --> 00:45:28,133
Speaker 15: nearly four years, which is a short waiting time, believe

962
00:45:28,173 --> 00:45:34,093
Speaker 15: it or not. And after doing the dialysis through of

963
00:45:34,173 --> 00:45:39,292
Speaker 15: keratal neal cavity, which is cleansing fluid that it's fed

964
00:45:39,333 --> 00:45:41,013
Speaker 15: in like a drip. You can do it at home,

965
00:45:41,053 --> 00:45:44,013
Speaker 15: and then you have another shunt in your stomach that

966
00:45:44,173 --> 00:45:49,893
Speaker 15: drains the fluid that cleansed your kidneys out. So she

967
00:45:49,973 --> 00:45:51,613
Speaker 15: did that for a while. Then she went on to

968
00:45:51,773 --> 00:45:59,413
Speaker 15: the dialysis machine every second day Wellington Hospital. So when

969
00:45:59,453 --> 00:46:03,973
Speaker 15: you're on the machine, it's life stating, but it's very

970
00:46:04,013 --> 00:46:06,133
Speaker 15: taxing on a body. And the day that you don't

971
00:46:06,173 --> 00:46:11,973
Speaker 15: dialize you're pretty unwell of time. So are you still

972
00:46:12,013 --> 00:46:16,573
Speaker 15: there listening? Good listening? And so what I want to

973
00:46:16,613 --> 00:46:21,093
Speaker 15: say is my daughter received a Cardi eric kidney, which

974
00:46:21,173 --> 00:46:25,732
Speaker 15: was a guest from some wonderful families loved person who

975
00:46:25,813 --> 00:46:31,133
Speaker 15: had passed away, and she had twenty one years with that.

976
00:46:31,733 --> 00:46:36,453
Speaker 15: She went on to study, she got married, she traveled

977
00:46:36,453 --> 00:46:39,933
Speaker 15: the world, and she gave birth to two beautiful children

978
00:46:39,973 --> 00:46:45,813
Speaker 15: who are now fifteen and seventeen. She's died, she passed

979
00:46:45,853 --> 00:46:53,333
Speaker 15: away five years ago. But I can't say enough the difference.

980
00:46:53,533 --> 00:46:56,733
Speaker 15: And so if you donate kidneys, two people get a

981
00:46:56,813 --> 00:47:01,893
Speaker 15: kidney each. You can live well with just one kidney.

982
00:47:02,573 --> 00:47:05,253
Speaker 15: I mean, if you respect it. You've got to be

983
00:47:05,253 --> 00:47:08,253
Speaker 15: careful with your diet and so she really looked up

984
00:47:08,373 --> 00:47:10,093
Speaker 15: through a kidney and she'd say to me, Mum, I

985
00:47:10,173 --> 00:47:13,853
Speaker 15: just love this kidney. So I think the crucial thing

986
00:47:13,933 --> 00:47:16,493
Speaker 15: is for people that want to donate to let their

987
00:47:16,493 --> 00:47:20,533
Speaker 15: families know that that is their wish, because a family

988
00:47:20,573 --> 00:47:22,693
Speaker 15: can say no at the time like it might be

989
00:47:22,773 --> 00:47:25,133
Speaker 15: my wish, which it would be on my part, then

990
00:47:25,253 --> 00:47:27,293
Speaker 15: someone in my family could say no. No one in

991
00:47:27,293 --> 00:47:30,293
Speaker 15: my family was because we know what a gift that.

992
00:47:30,373 --> 00:47:32,493
Speaker 3: Is, what a story.

993
00:47:32,533 --> 00:47:35,213
Speaker 2: Louise, Yes, hey, thank you so much for bringing in

994
00:47:35,533 --> 00:47:40,333
Speaker 2: and sharing that that story with everyone is very touching.

995
00:47:41,493 --> 00:47:43,333
Speaker 15: You're welcome, and I didn't think i'd be able to

996
00:47:43,333 --> 00:47:45,213
Speaker 15: do it without breaking down. I do want to say

997
00:47:45,213 --> 00:47:49,333
Speaker 15: this for any person out there listening whose family member

998
00:47:49,453 --> 00:47:54,213
Speaker 15: has donated kidney or another organ. I know on my

999
00:47:54,373 --> 00:47:57,853
Speaker 15: family's part, but from my oldest dad, who was eighty

1000
00:47:57,853 --> 00:48:00,293
Speaker 15: eight at the time, right down to the littlest people

1001
00:48:00,333 --> 00:48:03,732
Speaker 15: in our family, like she had younger brothers, we never

1002
00:48:04,133 --> 00:48:07,533
Speaker 15: forgot that. Do you know the person that donated.

1003
00:48:07,133 --> 00:48:12,013
Speaker 3: With well, I mean amazing that your daughter had that

1004
00:48:12,173 --> 00:48:15,253
Speaker 3: quality of life after that donation. I'm so sorry that

1005
00:48:15,613 --> 00:48:18,652
Speaker 3: she passed, Louise, But as you say, I mean having

1006
00:48:18,653 --> 00:48:21,293
Speaker 3: that conversation with your family if you do pass and

1007
00:48:21,373 --> 00:48:24,213
Speaker 3: to say it's important to me that if I can donate,

1008
00:48:24,853 --> 00:48:26,933
Speaker 3: please please allow the doctors to do that is a

1009
00:48:26,973 --> 00:48:27,333
Speaker 3: big thing.

1010
00:48:28,573 --> 00:48:32,333
Speaker 15: Absolutely, and we don't have enough like people, sometimes people

1011
00:48:33,373 --> 00:48:36,253
Speaker 15: die waiting and it depends on you, I think, sometimes

1012
00:48:36,253 --> 00:48:39,493
Speaker 15: on your age and your health. And they do a

1013
00:48:39,493 --> 00:48:42,493
Speaker 15: lot of really special testing to make sure that it's

1014
00:48:42,653 --> 00:48:47,573
Speaker 15: really a very good match to Sue and otherwise. So yeah,

1015
00:48:47,613 --> 00:48:49,573
Speaker 15: it's one of the greatest gifts that you could ever

1016
00:48:49,653 --> 00:48:51,813
Speaker 15: give if you were if you felt like it, you

1017
00:48:51,853 --> 00:48:52,373
Speaker 15: could do it.

1018
00:48:52,973 --> 00:48:55,732
Speaker 2: Absolutely. And Louise tell us about the tell us about

1019
00:48:55,733 --> 00:48:56,173
Speaker 2: the children.

1020
00:48:58,613 --> 00:49:02,373
Speaker 15: So that fifteen and seventeen just a couple of weeks ago,

1021
00:49:03,373 --> 00:49:09,333
Speaker 15: and yeah, she passed away five years so they were young.

1022
00:49:09,493 --> 00:49:13,652
Speaker 15: But I've just I've just had the fifteen year old,

1023
00:49:13,733 --> 00:49:16,493
Speaker 15: my granddaughter down for a couple of weeks and it's

1024
00:49:16,533 --> 00:49:18,732
Speaker 15: just such a joy that we still have a part

1025
00:49:18,773 --> 00:49:24,413
Speaker 15: of their mum and the kids both there's lots of

1026
00:49:24,613 --> 00:49:29,573
Speaker 15: lots of likeness, likenesses to their mum. Yeah, so they

1027
00:49:29,653 --> 00:49:33,733
Speaker 15: and they really are miracles. Really, they were little miracles

1028
00:49:33,733 --> 00:49:34,853
Speaker 15: of modern medicine.

1029
00:49:35,293 --> 00:49:38,813
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that donation led to them, which is allot

1030
00:49:39,133 --> 00:49:41,693
Speaker 2: which which is just an incredible, credible thing lead to

1031
00:49:41,733 --> 00:49:44,293
Speaker 2: their beautiful lives as well.

1032
00:49:45,813 --> 00:49:49,533
Speaker 15: Yeah, and so what I nearly broke down before. So

1033
00:49:49,573 --> 00:49:52,493
Speaker 15: what I'm saying is that for a family whose loved

1034
00:49:52,533 --> 00:49:56,813
Speaker 15: one has donated, there's never a time on the anniversary

1035
00:49:56,853 --> 00:50:01,252
Speaker 15: of when my daughter received that Christmas Birthdays, Mother's Day,

1036
00:50:01,613 --> 00:50:04,292
Speaker 15: or we brother's day. We don't know, and we don't

1037
00:50:04,293 --> 00:50:08,212
Speaker 15: know who the donation was from. So I don't want

1038
00:50:08,413 --> 00:50:13,853
Speaker 15: able to think that. I'd say most people remember with

1039
00:50:14,053 --> 00:50:16,173
Speaker 15: gratitude and with love that other family.

1040
00:50:17,693 --> 00:50:20,053
Speaker 3: Louise, thank you very much for giving us a call.

1041
00:50:20,093 --> 00:50:22,613
Speaker 3: It was what an incredible story, and thank you very

1042
00:50:22,733 --> 00:50:24,172
Speaker 3: much for getting that message out.

1043
00:50:25,573 --> 00:50:26,772
Speaker 15: Thank you, Thank you a lot.

1044
00:50:27,093 --> 00:50:29,933
Speaker 3: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Wow,

1045
00:50:30,013 --> 00:50:31,533
Speaker 3: I mean that shows.

1046
00:50:31,213 --> 00:50:33,493
Speaker 2: You know, that's that's strange. That's something I've never really

1047
00:50:33,493 --> 00:50:36,373
Speaker 2: thought about with the donation because then it can lead

1048
00:50:36,413 --> 00:50:39,053
Speaker 2: to these other beautiful people that wouldn't exist, and then

1049
00:50:39,253 --> 00:50:41,853
Speaker 2: who knows, you know, that might lead to more people.

1050
00:50:41,933 --> 00:50:46,013
Speaker 2: So your donation can can do generation or good.

1051
00:50:46,173 --> 00:50:49,413
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, what an incredible story. Oh eight hundred eighty

1052
00:50:49,453 --> 00:50:51,613
Speaker 3: ten eighty is that number to call if you've been

1053
00:50:51,653 --> 00:50:54,973
Speaker 3: an organ donator or a recipient, I should say I'd

1054
00:50:55,013 --> 00:51:03,853
Speaker 3: love to hear from you. It's twenty one past two.

1055
00:51:01,133 --> 00:51:04,812
Speaker 1: Matd Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty

1056
00:51:04,893 --> 00:51:06,293
Speaker 1: ten eighty on youth Talk.

1057
00:51:06,173 --> 00:51:08,053
Speaker 3: ZB twenty four past two.

1058
00:51:08,413 --> 00:51:10,973
Speaker 2: This texter says, Hi, guys, I'm not an organ donor,

1059
00:51:11,053 --> 00:51:13,772
Speaker 2: but let Louise know I will change that status after

1060
00:51:13,813 --> 00:51:14,493
Speaker 2: hearing his story.

1061
00:51:14,773 --> 00:51:17,413
Speaker 3: Good on you. Yeah, incredible story from Louise.

1062
00:51:17,693 --> 00:51:21,053
Speaker 2: Amanda, you are a donor, you have been a donor?

1063
00:51:21,853 --> 00:51:25,013
Speaker 3: Yes, Hello, very nice to chat with you. So tell

1064
00:51:25,093 --> 00:51:25,653
Speaker 3: us the story.

1065
00:51:26,573 --> 00:51:29,652
Speaker 22: Okay, so about nine years ago I donated to my

1066
00:51:29,733 --> 00:51:35,013
Speaker 22: brother who had end stage kidney failure. So it was

1067
00:51:35,093 --> 00:51:36,973
Speaker 22: quite a quick process. I was called in to do

1068
00:51:37,013 --> 00:51:39,853
Speaker 22: all the testing. Turns out we were a good match,

1069
00:51:39,893 --> 00:51:45,093
Speaker 22: so it was fairly straightforward, informed of all the risks.

1070
00:51:45,413 --> 00:51:48,013
Speaker 22: I looked into it myself, of course, so obviously looking

1071
00:51:48,053 --> 00:51:50,053
Speaker 22: into the long term out that was important for me

1072
00:51:51,253 --> 00:51:54,252
Speaker 22: just to understand that my life would also be quite

1073
00:51:54,333 --> 00:51:57,453
Speaker 22: normal and I'd be able to live a normal, healthy

1074
00:51:57,493 --> 00:52:02,813
Speaker 22: life with one kidney. Dietary wise, is not really any

1075
00:52:02,853 --> 00:52:06,653
Speaker 22: major restrictions beyond just generally making sure that you're eating well,

1076
00:52:07,733 --> 00:52:10,933
Speaker 22: protecting your remaining kidney. By drinking lots of water, you're

1077
00:52:10,973 --> 00:52:16,333
Speaker 22: obviously avoiding unnecessary strain, not going out, you know, starting

1078
00:52:16,333 --> 00:52:18,293
Speaker 22: to kickbox or anything like that, do something that might

1079
00:52:18,453 --> 00:52:22,973
Speaker 22: damage your your remaining kidney. There's certain medications you need

1080
00:52:23,013 --> 00:52:26,093
Speaker 22: to stay away from, like neurofine and things or in

1081
00:52:26,253 --> 00:52:29,373
Speaker 22: dates which can damage a kidney. But aside from that,

1082
00:52:29,533 --> 00:52:33,293
Speaker 22: it's it's really just general good advice. Keep you know,

1083
00:52:33,573 --> 00:52:37,373
Speaker 22: good exercise, don't smoke. I still drink, so I have.

1084
00:52:37,493 --> 00:52:39,773
Speaker 22: I have an odd drink and I enjoy that.

1085
00:52:42,533 --> 00:52:43,172
Speaker 21: Lots of water.

1086
00:52:43,653 --> 00:52:47,213
Speaker 22: Just maintain caution, and I have regular catch ups with

1087
00:52:47,213 --> 00:52:50,652
Speaker 22: my specialists down at the hospital. They've there every year

1088
00:52:50,693 --> 00:52:52,133
Speaker 22: now and so far, so good.

1089
00:52:52,813 --> 00:52:55,333
Speaker 2: So tell us about the amouna good on you, by

1090
00:52:55,333 --> 00:52:57,293
Speaker 2: the way, that's a lovely thing to do for your brother.

1091
00:52:58,173 --> 00:53:01,253
Speaker 2: Tell us about the actual operations. So they're cutting you

1092
00:53:01,293 --> 00:53:03,373
Speaker 2: open and taking your kidney out for a start, that

1093
00:53:03,533 --> 00:53:07,133
Speaker 2: must be quite a reasonably I'm looking for a word

1094
00:53:07,173 --> 00:53:10,773
Speaker 2: that's not terrifying but intimidating thing to go through. So

1095
00:53:11,733 --> 00:53:14,293
Speaker 2: how was that and how was the recovery afterwards?

1096
00:53:15,013 --> 00:53:17,973
Speaker 22: So yeah, I mean what happens is my brother stays

1097
00:53:18,013 --> 00:53:20,653
Speaker 22: in overnight and he gets prepped first thing in the morning.

1098
00:53:21,453 --> 00:53:23,453
Speaker 22: I turned up at sort of six o'clock in the morning,

1099
00:53:24,133 --> 00:53:26,453
Speaker 22: and I do prepped and ready, and I think what

1100
00:53:26,573 --> 00:53:30,893
Speaker 22: happened is we're pretty much in rooms next to each other,

1101
00:53:30,973 --> 00:53:33,853
Speaker 22: not in the same room, but in rooms next to

1102
00:53:33,893 --> 00:53:38,853
Speaker 22: each other. So while my kidney surgeon is working to

1103
00:53:38,973 --> 00:53:42,933
Speaker 22: remove my kidney, they actually go through the front rather

1104
00:53:43,013 --> 00:53:44,573
Speaker 22: than the back, which is where the kidneys are, but

1105
00:53:44,613 --> 00:53:46,333
Speaker 22: they go through the front. So there also needs to

1106
00:53:46,333 --> 00:53:50,093
Speaker 22: be a vascular surgeon who will start to do all

1107
00:53:50,133 --> 00:53:53,533
Speaker 22: the remove all the bits and pieces of blood, vessels

1108
00:53:53,573 --> 00:53:55,893
Speaker 22: and things and put things in place. So there's two

1109
00:53:55,933 --> 00:53:59,293
Speaker 22: specialist surgeons working away on you. And then once a

1110
00:53:59,333 --> 00:54:01,413
Speaker 22: kidney out, I think it's I think it's simple as

1111
00:54:01,413 --> 00:54:03,413
Speaker 22: pulling it out and literally taking it into the next

1112
00:54:03,453 --> 00:54:05,253
Speaker 22: room and putting it straight into my brother.

1113
00:54:06,293 --> 00:54:11,053
Speaker 2: It's such an intense thing. Yeah, it's good. What what

1114
00:54:11,093 --> 00:54:13,413
Speaker 2: did he say to you when you first said you

1115
00:54:13,453 --> 00:54:15,773
Speaker 2: would and what did he say to you after you

1116
00:54:15,853 --> 00:54:18,652
Speaker 2: had he had your kidney in him?

1117
00:54:19,693 --> 00:54:21,973
Speaker 22: I think for what I the first thing I noticed

1118
00:54:22,053 --> 00:54:26,333
Speaker 22: was his energy levels. Really, he was pretty you know,

1119
00:54:26,693 --> 00:54:29,653
Speaker 22: down in the dumps before all this, I think literally

1120
00:54:29,693 --> 00:54:32,133
Speaker 22: from the moment that kidney went in, his energy levels

1121
00:54:32,453 --> 00:54:36,772
Speaker 22: rapidly increased. He looked better, he lost that yellow look

1122
00:54:36,813 --> 00:54:40,333
Speaker 22: about him and the sort of dark eyes and things

1123
00:54:40,373 --> 00:54:44,013
Speaker 22: like that. So his energy levels increased. Obviously in pain

1124
00:54:44,133 --> 00:54:46,573
Speaker 22: from the incision and things like that. So it's not

1125
00:54:46,933 --> 00:54:50,293
Speaker 22: all clear sailing from that point on, but he's only

1126
00:54:50,613 --> 00:54:53,733
Speaker 22: you know, gotten better since and to this day, his

1127
00:54:53,813 --> 00:54:57,733
Speaker 22: specialist is still very happy with how everything's going and

1128
00:54:57,773 --> 00:55:01,292
Speaker 22: has just said, you know, you're doing really well and yeah,

1129
00:55:01,413 --> 00:55:04,133
Speaker 22: and for me again, you're just yeah, like any operation,

1130
00:55:04,253 --> 00:55:07,773
Speaker 22: there's a you know, six weeks of recovery. Also, they

1131
00:55:07,813 --> 00:55:11,413
Speaker 22: recommend don't do anything too strenuous, bit of light walking,

1132
00:55:12,573 --> 00:55:16,252
Speaker 22: but yeah, once the incision has healed up and things,

1133
00:55:16,293 --> 00:55:19,973
Speaker 22: you can pretty much get back to normal life.

1134
00:55:19,573 --> 00:55:22,573
Speaker 2: So how did he express this gratitude to you?

1135
00:55:24,213 --> 00:55:26,413
Speaker 22: He's he's a man of not very many words, but

1136
00:55:26,493 --> 00:55:32,893
Speaker 22: I think deep down he was very he was and

1137
00:55:32,933 --> 00:55:36,373
Speaker 22: I'm sure he is very grateful. And you know, everyone

1138
00:55:36,373 --> 00:55:38,813
Speaker 22: else in our family, my other brother and you know,

1139
00:55:38,893 --> 00:55:41,453
Speaker 22: my mum and my father, and I'm sure everyone is

1140
00:55:41,573 --> 00:55:42,053
Speaker 22: very grateful.

1141
00:55:42,213 --> 00:55:45,813
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely incredible, but yeah, yeah.

1142
00:55:46,013 --> 00:55:48,172
Speaker 22: But he's yeah, he's doing really well.

1143
00:55:48,253 --> 00:55:49,973
Speaker 2: When you look at him, now, do you find their

1144
00:55:49,973 --> 00:55:53,173
Speaker 2: eyes sort of heading over down to where you where

1145
00:55:53,173 --> 00:55:56,093
Speaker 2: your kid is and there you are.

1146
00:55:56,653 --> 00:55:58,933
Speaker 22: Actually, yeah, we keep keep forgetting it. It's sort of

1147
00:55:59,013 --> 00:56:00,453
Speaker 22: you know, it's been at some time now, so you

1148
00:56:00,813 --> 00:56:02,933
Speaker 22: almost forget. But we do have a little family joke

1149
00:56:03,013 --> 00:56:05,692
Speaker 22: that you know, he's got lady parts in him.

1150
00:56:10,053 --> 00:56:11,613
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, it's interesting you talk about his mood

1151
00:56:11,653 --> 00:56:15,093
Speaker 2: because you know, my understanding is that the kidney has

1152
00:56:15,173 --> 00:56:17,173
Speaker 2: quite a lot to do with vitamin D, which is

1153
00:56:17,173 --> 00:56:19,613
Speaker 2: really good for the mood. So you know, when when

1154
00:56:19,653 --> 00:56:22,453
Speaker 2: it's not working, then then you know, but then it

1155
00:56:22,493 --> 00:56:25,853
Speaker 2: can obviously a lack of vetamin D can lead to

1156
00:56:25,893 --> 00:56:28,453
Speaker 2: misery as well as obviously the the health issues that

1157
00:56:28,493 --> 00:56:32,213
Speaker 2: were coming through. So yeah, you've done a really, really

1158
00:56:32,253 --> 00:56:34,333
Speaker 2: wonderful thing. So so good on you.

1159
00:56:34,413 --> 00:56:34,693
Speaker 23: Thank you.

1160
00:56:35,373 --> 00:56:38,013
Speaker 22: Yeah, No, that's great. And for my brother, I think

1161
00:56:38,093 --> 00:56:41,213
Speaker 22: it's you know, he has to be on anti kidney

1162
00:56:41,213 --> 00:56:45,252
Speaker 22: rejection pills for the rest of his life, whereas there's

1163
00:56:45,253 --> 00:56:48,413
Speaker 22: nothing specific that I need to do. That's different if

1164
00:56:48,453 --> 00:56:51,533
Speaker 22: I decide I want to take a new supplement. For example,

1165
00:56:51,533 --> 00:56:53,813
Speaker 22: I was looking into aShw gunder the other day or

1166
00:56:53,853 --> 00:56:56,693
Speaker 22: something like that. I actually just speak to my specialist

1167
00:56:56,733 --> 00:56:59,093
Speaker 22: or I pop down to the pharmacy and just ask them,

1168
00:56:59,373 --> 00:57:01,453
Speaker 22: is the all right to me to take this particular

1169
00:57:01,493 --> 00:57:03,253
Speaker 22: one because you don't know what will affect the kidney

1170
00:57:03,253 --> 00:57:05,293
Speaker 22: and what why, So it's just being careful.

1171
00:57:06,213 --> 00:57:07,613
Speaker 15: So yeah, so life.

1172
00:57:07,413 --> 00:57:11,373
Speaker 22: Really goes on and all, and yeah, it's life changing.

1173
00:57:11,373 --> 00:57:15,493
Speaker 2: Differently, are you are you on a list to get

1174
00:57:15,773 --> 00:57:17,893
Speaker 2: because you've done a nice thing? Is there is there

1175
00:57:17,893 --> 00:57:22,453
Speaker 2: a people that have donated kidney's list that so they

1176
00:57:22,453 --> 00:57:24,653
Speaker 2: are ahead of other people that haven't, if you know

1177
00:57:24,653 --> 00:57:27,293
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, like, once you've donated one, surely if

1178
00:57:27,333 --> 00:57:30,253
Speaker 2: something should go wrong with your other kidney, you're on

1179
00:57:30,293 --> 00:57:31,453
Speaker 2: a fast direct to get one. Do you know what

1180
00:57:31,493 --> 00:57:32,493
Speaker 2: I'm saying? Or is there nothing?

1181
00:57:32,613 --> 00:57:32,813
Speaker 17: Yeah?

1182
00:57:32,813 --> 00:57:34,573
Speaker 22: I do, but I have no idea if I am

1183
00:57:34,653 --> 00:57:37,973
Speaker 22: or not. Actually I really I really wouldn't know. Good

1184
00:57:37,973 --> 00:57:40,693
Speaker 22: point to look into that or ask my doctor next

1185
00:57:40,733 --> 00:57:44,733
Speaker 22: time I see her, But no, I'm not one hundred

1186
00:57:44,733 --> 00:57:45,493
Speaker 22: percent sure about that.

1187
00:57:45,733 --> 00:57:47,933
Speaker 2: Well, come and see Tyler. He's got two such Yeah.

1188
00:57:48,053 --> 00:57:50,733
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're not fantastic kidneys, but you're welcome to one

1189
00:57:50,773 --> 00:57:50,973
Speaker 3: of them.

1190
00:57:50,973 --> 00:57:53,933
Speaker 2: Amanda, Yeah, thank you very much. Hey, thank you so

1191
00:57:54,013 --> 00:57:56,693
Speaker 2: much for you call it Amanda and all the best. Yeah,

1192
00:57:56,693 --> 00:57:58,813
Speaker 2: what if six said, who did you donate your brain to?

1193
00:57:58,933 --> 00:57:59,173
Speaker 7: Matt?

1194
00:57:59,373 --> 00:58:03,413
Speaker 2: I can't remember. I can't remember I donated my brain too.

1195
00:58:03,853 --> 00:58:04,053
Speaker 21: Yeah.

1196
00:58:04,093 --> 00:58:05,453
Speaker 2: Maybe that's because I do my brain.

1197
00:58:05,493 --> 00:58:08,253
Speaker 3: Part of the problem, brain away I need.

1198
00:58:08,333 --> 00:58:11,373
Speaker 2: I asked the person I donated my brain to, who

1199
00:58:11,373 --> 00:58:13,173
Speaker 2: they are my brain?

1200
00:58:13,493 --> 00:58:16,933
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like a Memento situation text. It is twenty

1201
00:58:17,053 --> 00:58:20,013
Speaker 3: nine to three oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty

1202
00:58:20,133 --> 00:58:22,053
Speaker 3: is the number to call. Coming up after the headlights,

1203
00:58:22,133 --> 00:58:23,573
Speaker 3: We're going to have a chat with a gentleman called

1204
00:58:23,613 --> 00:58:25,973
Speaker 3: Andy Tuke. He ran the Give Life Trust for a

1205
00:58:26,053 --> 00:58:28,573
Speaker 3: long time in order to try and increase the number

1206
00:58:28,613 --> 00:58:31,333
Speaker 3: of Kiwis who were up for donation, So he is

1207
00:58:31,333 --> 00:58:33,173
Speaker 3: coming up next. It is twenty nine to three.

1208
00:58:35,773 --> 00:58:37,893
Speaker 2: You talk savvy headlines with.

1209
00:58:37,933 --> 00:58:41,133
Speaker 14: Blue bubble taxis, it's no trouble with a blue bubble.

1210
00:58:41,653 --> 00:58:44,773
Speaker 14: Mike King has hit back at Labour MP ingrid Leary

1211
00:58:45,013 --> 00:58:48,253
Speaker 14: after she asked the Auditor General to investigate the cost

1212
00:58:48,293 --> 00:58:52,333
Speaker 14: effectiveness of his I Am Hope charity a review of

1213
00:58:52,373 --> 00:58:55,533
Speaker 14: the Health Ministry's annual audit as far the contract is

1214
00:58:55,573 --> 00:58:59,773
Speaker 14: managed appropriately. The Police commissioner is assuring a woman at

1215
00:58:59,773 --> 00:59:02,853
Speaker 14: the center of the Jevin mc skinning scandal he's doing

1216
00:59:02,933 --> 00:59:08,053
Speaker 14: everything possible to prevent a repeat. Kiwi banks annual State

1217
00:59:08,093 --> 00:59:12,333
Speaker 14: of home Ownership Index shows homeowners are using lower interest

1218
00:59:12,413 --> 00:59:16,493
Speaker 14: rates to overpay their mortgage. About forty percent of Kiwibank's

1219
00:59:16,613 --> 00:59:20,893
Speaker 14: fixed rate customers pay more than required. Reserve Bank board

1220
00:59:20,933 --> 00:59:24,293
Speaker 14: chair Roger Finlay has let slip news of big announcements

1221
00:59:24,333 --> 00:59:27,293
Speaker 14: coming before Christmas, looking likely to be on how much

1222
00:59:27,373 --> 00:59:33,253
Speaker 14: capital banks should hold. Farmac's open consultation on expanding rural

1223
00:59:33,333 --> 00:59:38,093
Speaker 14: access to six emergency care medications for use by community nurses,

1224
00:59:38,213 --> 00:59:43,053
Speaker 14: GPS and midwives. It would align rural and urban emergency care.

1225
00:59:44,173 --> 00:59:47,293
Speaker 14: Five of the healthiest breeds to buy at the supermarket,

1226
00:59:47,533 --> 00:59:50,653
Speaker 14: and how to decode the nutrition labels. You can find

1227
00:59:50,653 --> 00:59:53,653
Speaker 14: out more at Enzenherrald Premium. Back to Matt Eath and

1228
00:59:53,733 --> 00:59:54,853
Speaker 14: Tyler Adams.

1229
00:59:54,733 --> 00:59:57,413
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Raylean so Andy Tuk. He set

1230
00:59:57,453 --> 01:00:01,333
Speaker 3: up Live Sharers and also Give Life Organization to help

1231
01:00:01,373 --> 01:00:04,533
Speaker 3: increase New Zealand's organ donation rate, which remains among the

1232
01:00:04,613 --> 01:00:08,333
Speaker 3: lowest in the western world. He spent two decades compared

1233
01:00:08,733 --> 01:00:11,893
Speaker 3: campaigning to increase that donation rate, and currently there's around

1234
01:00:11,893 --> 01:00:14,853
Speaker 3: four to five hundred people waiting on a compatible organ.

1235
01:00:15,133 --> 01:00:18,173
Speaker 3: Andy Tookey joins us on the line. Now, Andy, very

1236
01:00:18,173 --> 01:00:18,933
Speaker 3: good afternoon to you.

1237
01:00:19,893 --> 01:00:21,533
Speaker 6: Hello, thanks yep.

1238
01:00:21,973 --> 01:00:25,373
Speaker 2: Andy. How often do potential organ donations fall over because

1239
01:00:25,813 --> 01:00:29,213
Speaker 2: you know, families aren't sure of the loved one's wishes.

1240
01:00:31,253 --> 01:00:35,893
Speaker 20: Well, the last time I checked, about sixty percent of

1241
01:00:35,973 --> 01:00:38,813
Speaker 20: people of families say no to organ donation.

1242
01:00:40,413 --> 01:00:40,653
Speaker 24: Wow.

1243
01:00:41,013 --> 01:00:43,253
Speaker 6: An awful. That's an awful lot of people.

1244
01:00:43,733 --> 01:00:49,973
Speaker 20: Yeah, and there'll be many reasons for that, but yeah,

1245
01:00:50,653 --> 01:00:52,733
Speaker 20: that's one of the areas I trying to work on,

1246
01:00:53,173 --> 01:00:57,373
Speaker 20: was trying to get that rate down because when six

1247
01:00:57,453 --> 01:01:00,293
Speaker 20: out of ten families are saying no to donation, they're

1248
01:01:00,293 --> 01:01:02,613
Speaker 20: losing a lot of lives unnecessarily.

1249
01:01:03,253 --> 01:01:06,253
Speaker 2: So if you like me, I have on my license,

1250
01:01:06,493 --> 01:01:08,213
Speaker 2: then I'm a donor. And I kind of thought that

1251
01:01:08,453 --> 01:01:10,253
Speaker 2: just mean I was a donor then, but you know,

1252
01:01:10,413 --> 01:01:12,253
Speaker 2: obviously I looked into it more now and found out

1253
01:01:12,293 --> 01:01:15,533
Speaker 2: that my family would to get involved. So if you

1254
01:01:15,613 --> 01:01:20,013
Speaker 2: have click donor, is it then a good idea to

1255
01:01:20,053 --> 01:01:21,653
Speaker 2: go around and talk to your family members and the

1256
01:01:21,693 --> 01:01:25,533
Speaker 2: people that decide and it's really describe what you want

1257
01:01:25,573 --> 01:01:28,493
Speaker 2: to happen because because it's very easy to click as donor,

1258
01:01:28,493 --> 01:01:29,933
Speaker 2: but you might not have thought about it much. But

1259
01:01:30,493 --> 01:01:31,933
Speaker 2: is that something that could help?

1260
01:01:33,053 --> 01:01:36,493
Speaker 20: Well, this is actually one of the first issues I discovered.

1261
01:01:36,813 --> 01:01:40,413
Speaker 20: I mean, my history on this, why I started this

1262
01:01:40,573 --> 01:01:44,093
Speaker 20: was when my daughter was born. They discovered she had

1263
01:01:44,093 --> 01:01:47,093
Speaker 20: a liver disease and they said she would die by

1264
01:01:47,173 --> 01:01:48,933
Speaker 20: age one if she didn't get.

1265
01:01:50,573 --> 01:01:51,213
Speaker 6: A new liver.

1266
01:01:52,413 --> 01:01:55,453
Speaker 20: And she was in hospital a long time, and we

1267
01:01:55,573 --> 01:01:58,773
Speaker 20: talked to families whose children would die because they had

1268
01:01:58,813 --> 01:02:02,133
Speaker 20: cancer and stuff like that. But I thought, my daughter,

1269
01:02:02,373 --> 01:02:06,253
Speaker 20: there's a cure, one hundred percent cure, and it's been

1270
01:02:06,413 --> 01:02:11,053
Speaker 20: very lucremated every day, and why the organ donorates so low.

1271
01:02:11,493 --> 01:02:16,653
Speaker 20: So then I started investigating Official Information Act requests and

1272
01:02:16,693 --> 01:02:18,773
Speaker 20: I'll tell you what, over the years, I've opened some

1273
01:02:19,053 --> 01:02:22,133
Speaker 20: huge cans of worms on it of the failings of

1274
01:02:22,173 --> 01:02:26,133
Speaker 20: the system. But yeah, one of the things which the

1275
01:02:26,173 --> 01:02:28,973
Speaker 20: public did not know at the time, which I think

1276
01:02:29,053 --> 01:02:34,773
Speaker 20: through my constant media appearances, the public mostly known these

1277
01:02:34,853 --> 01:02:37,533
Speaker 20: days that yes, put me on a driving license means

1278
01:02:37,573 --> 01:02:42,973
Speaker 20: absolutely nothing because they will not even check the license

1279
01:02:43,013 --> 01:02:45,933
Speaker 20: if you're involved, say in a car crash, right because

1280
01:02:46,533 --> 01:02:53,173
Speaker 20: it's not deemed to be consent. It's not because you

1281
01:02:53,173 --> 01:02:58,173
Speaker 20: could have ticked that box years ago, so it's not consent.

1282
01:02:58,333 --> 01:03:01,293
Speaker 20: Is really an ongoing thing. What I tried to do

1283
01:03:01,453 --> 01:03:04,293
Speaker 20: is to get them to change it so it's not

1284
01:03:04,533 --> 01:03:08,133
Speaker 20: on a driving license as such, but so you could

1285
01:03:08,173 --> 01:03:11,173
Speaker 20: do it online. So you could go online and you

1286
01:03:11,173 --> 01:03:13,333
Speaker 20: could change your wishes as often as you like. It

1287
01:03:13,413 --> 01:03:18,853
Speaker 20: costs you nothing, and then it would be updated, you know,

1288
01:03:18,933 --> 01:03:21,213
Speaker 20: in the health system. They would know automatically what your

1289
01:03:21,253 --> 01:03:23,773
Speaker 20: wishes are. Because if you change your mind on your

1290
01:03:23,813 --> 01:03:26,253
Speaker 20: driving license and you've got to pay forty odd dollars

1291
01:03:26,493 --> 01:03:30,053
Speaker 20: to get it changed, right, yes, people aren't going to

1292
01:03:30,093 --> 01:03:32,933
Speaker 20: do that. And so that was the main issue I

1293
01:03:33,293 --> 01:03:37,093
Speaker 20: believe was public awareness. The public needs to know these things.

1294
01:03:37,453 --> 01:03:40,293
Speaker 20: There is another thing. Whys say six out of ten

1295
01:03:41,013 --> 01:03:45,533
Speaker 20: families say no, is because you know, ten family members

1296
01:03:45,853 --> 01:03:50,013
Speaker 20: could be around your deathbed and nine of them agree

1297
01:03:50,053 --> 01:03:53,933
Speaker 20: to organ donation. If one person says no, that one

1298
01:03:54,053 --> 01:03:55,933
Speaker 20: no trumps all of nine yearses.

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Speaker 2: Wow. Wow, I did not know that. That is interesting.

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01:04:00,333 --> 01:04:03,533
Speaker 2: So when you say having on your license means nothing,

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01:04:04,333 --> 01:04:07,613
Speaker 2: when as the conversation brought up for family members to

1302
01:04:07,613 --> 01:04:09,733
Speaker 2: have their on it is that brought up as a

1303
01:04:09,773 --> 01:04:14,693
Speaker 2: standard conversation, you know, by medical professionals, or is it

1304
01:04:15,093 --> 01:04:18,773
Speaker 2: brought up if your status is yes, or how does

1305
01:04:18,813 --> 01:04:19,213
Speaker 2: that work?

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01:04:20,253 --> 01:04:21,213
Speaker 20: Yeah, what they.

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01:04:22,813 --> 01:04:23,493
Speaker 6: Prefer to do.

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01:04:23,893 --> 01:04:28,173
Speaker 20: Yeah, But the time it's brought up organ donation is

1309
01:04:28,293 --> 01:04:33,493
Speaker 20: when that person is basically brain dead. Now, this is

1310
01:04:33,493 --> 01:04:35,733
Speaker 20: why a lot of people's, well a lot of families

1311
01:04:35,773 --> 01:04:39,373
Speaker 20: would say no to organ donation. For example, you've just

1312
01:04:39,493 --> 01:04:45,333
Speaker 20: been told your son has died, but by the way,

1313
01:04:45,413 --> 01:04:48,173
Speaker 20: can we have his organs? That's not the best time

1314
01:04:48,213 --> 01:04:51,853
Speaker 20: to be asking, you know, it needs.

1315
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Speaker 6: To be done way ahead.

1316
01:04:52,933 --> 01:04:55,173
Speaker 20: This is why it needs to be more public awareness

1317
01:04:55,213 --> 01:04:58,933
Speaker 20: about it, to encourage families to discuss the issues.

1318
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Speaker 3: This is good information. Andy, Now me mentioned this earlier

1319
01:05:04,133 --> 01:05:05,573
Speaker 3: and correct me if I'm wrong, But I think this

1320
01:05:05,733 --> 01:05:08,133
Speaker 3: was something you campaigned on. So it was a REGIERU

1321
01:05:08,413 --> 01:05:12,133
Speaker 3: register that if you are a donor yourself and at

1322
01:05:12,173 --> 01:05:15,333
Speaker 3: some point you need an organ you would go to

1323
01:05:15,373 --> 01:05:16,133
Speaker 3: the top of the list.

1324
01:05:17,773 --> 01:05:22,773
Speaker 20: Yes, I did. That was part of my because there's

1325
01:05:22,853 --> 01:05:26,173
Speaker 20: the two types of organ donation. You've got organs from

1326
01:05:26,253 --> 01:05:29,573
Speaker 20: deceased donors. I wanted to change a lot in that system.

1327
01:05:29,893 --> 01:05:33,293
Speaker 20: But I also wanted to change the live donors situation

1328
01:05:33,533 --> 01:05:38,333
Speaker 20: because the live donors back at the time, say, for example,

1329
01:05:38,813 --> 01:05:41,893
Speaker 20: your sister needed a kidney and you were happy to

1330
01:05:41,933 --> 01:05:44,213
Speaker 20: donate one, but you still got to pay your mortgage,

1331
01:05:44,213 --> 01:05:46,733
Speaker 20: your bills and everything, and you don't get any pay

1332
01:05:47,053 --> 01:05:49,093
Speaker 20: All you were getting was you have to go to

1333
01:05:49,333 --> 01:05:54,173
Speaker 20: wins and beg for some benefit money, and so you'd

1334
01:05:54,173 --> 01:05:56,613
Speaker 20: have to say no, I can't afford to do this financially.

1335
01:05:57,093 --> 01:06:00,053
Speaker 20: So eventually I got through Parliament. Well with the health

1336
01:06:00,093 --> 01:06:05,733
Speaker 20: of MPs, I got through that. They now get one

1337
01:06:05,813 --> 01:06:11,333
Speaker 20: hundred percent compensation which helps the financial size things. And

1338
01:06:11,413 --> 01:06:14,533
Speaker 20: I also I did campaign, but I didn't get on.

1339
01:06:15,493 --> 01:06:18,773
Speaker 20: If you donate a kidney, then you should be moved

1340
01:06:19,253 --> 01:06:21,693
Speaker 20: to the top of the waiting list should you ever

1341
01:06:21,813 --> 01:06:22,573
Speaker 20: require one.

1342
01:06:23,373 --> 01:06:24,893
Speaker 3: It would have been a good way to raise the

1343
01:06:24,933 --> 01:06:28,173
Speaker 3: donation levels. You know that makes sense to me, right, Yeah,

1344
01:06:28,293 --> 01:06:30,693
Speaker 3: it's a win win that if you added the goodness

1345
01:06:30,693 --> 01:06:32,573
Speaker 3: of your heart decide when someone needs a kidney to

1346
01:06:32,613 --> 01:06:35,093
Speaker 3: donate it and you get into trouble, then you're right

1347
01:06:35,133 --> 01:06:35,973
Speaker 3: at the top of their list.

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01:06:36,533 --> 01:06:39,413
Speaker 2: How's the list worked out now, Andy.

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Speaker 20: Well, it's on a combination of things. You know, it's

1350
01:06:43,813 --> 01:06:48,493
Speaker 20: on time at the time and need an urgency really

1351
01:06:48,813 --> 01:06:52,493
Speaker 20: and what they've got compatible I suppose, you know, it's

1352
01:06:52,693 --> 01:06:54,413
Speaker 20: I think each case would be different. I think they've

1353
01:06:54,413 --> 01:06:57,973
Speaker 20: got a lot orithms that they use, but specifically I

1354
01:06:58,013 --> 01:06:59,613
Speaker 20: don't know what they are these days.

1355
01:07:01,373 --> 01:07:03,573
Speaker 3: Andy, we're really enjoying this chat. Are you okay to

1356
01:07:03,613 --> 01:07:05,413
Speaker 3: hold with us for another couple of minutes. We'll just

1357
01:07:05,413 --> 01:07:06,733
Speaker 3: play some messages and come back.

1358
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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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01:07:07,813 --> 01:07:11,973
Speaker 3: Sure, a wonderful. We're chatting with Andy Tuke, who did

1360
01:07:11,973 --> 01:07:14,693
Speaker 3: set up Life Sharers and Give Little Organization. He's been

1361
01:07:14,813 --> 01:07:17,693
Speaker 3: campaigning to raise our donation rates for two decades. We're

1362
01:07:17,693 --> 01:07:19,653
Speaker 3: going to come back and ask him some more questions. Shortly,

1363
01:07:19,693 --> 01:07:21,013
Speaker 3: it's eighteen to three.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath, Taylor Adams taking your calls on Oh, eight

1365
01:07:27,133 --> 01:07:29,533
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Tyler

1366
01:07:29,613 --> 01:07:31,493
Speaker 1: Adams afternoons news talks.

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Speaker 3: They'd be for a good afternoon to you. So we're

1368
01:07:33,253 --> 01:07:36,893
Speaker 3: talking about organ donation and we are speaking to Andy Tukey,

1369
01:07:36,973 --> 01:07:40,133
Speaker 3: he set up Life Sharers and also Give Life Organization.

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01:07:40,253 --> 01:07:43,853
Speaker 3: He's been campaigning or was campaigning for the for twenty

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01:07:43,933 --> 01:07:46,253
Speaker 3: years to try and up our donation rates. And he's

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01:07:46,253 --> 01:07:48,213
Speaker 3: back with us. Andy, thank you again for your time.

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01:07:49,133 --> 01:07:50,413
Speaker 6: That's great, no problems.

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Speaker 2: Now, Hey Andy, what what do you think the biggest

1375
01:07:52,813 --> 01:07:58,733
Speaker 2: misunderstandings are around donations in this in New Zealand. The

1376
01:07:58,773 --> 01:08:00,333
Speaker 2: myths and misunderstandings.

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Speaker 20: Well, there's a lot of myths. I guess I've both

1378
01:08:07,093 --> 01:08:11,093
Speaker 20: a misunderstanding. But a lot of people won't put a

1379
01:08:11,213 --> 01:08:14,653
Speaker 20: donor on their license or they said I don't want

1380
01:08:14,693 --> 01:08:18,892
Speaker 20: to be a donor because they've got a medical condition,

1381
01:08:18,973 --> 01:08:22,333
Speaker 20: so they don't think they would be suitable, right, and

1382
01:08:22,333 --> 01:08:25,692
Speaker 20: and everybody should put it on there because the doctors

1383
01:08:25,692 --> 01:08:28,293
Speaker 20: would decide the time. I mean, because just because you've

1384
01:08:28,293 --> 01:08:30,972
Speaker 20: got to I don't know in growing toenails doesn't mean

1385
01:08:31,013 --> 01:08:32,692
Speaker 20: you can't donate a kidney.

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01:08:33,973 --> 01:08:37,053
Speaker 6: And so a lot of people think that they don't.

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Speaker 20: They think that like smokers think they can't be donors,

1388
01:08:40,532 --> 01:08:44,013
Speaker 20: but they can be. So yeah, so they should just

1389
01:08:44,732 --> 01:08:46,692
Speaker 20: put donor and then they would check you at the

1390
01:08:46,732 --> 01:08:48,732
Speaker 20: time and they would get superable you are if you're not,

1391
01:08:48,812 --> 01:08:51,973
Speaker 20: you're not, So yeah, the best way to go and

1392
01:08:52,173 --> 01:08:54,372
Speaker 20: is you know a lot of myths that you know,

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01:08:54,492 --> 01:08:57,412
Speaker 20: people believe that you're you're not actually dead when you

1394
01:08:57,452 --> 01:09:02,412
Speaker 20: donate your organs you are, you're you know, you're you're

1395
01:09:02,452 --> 01:09:07,732
Speaker 20: brain dead, You're not in a coma, you're definitely dead dead.

1396
01:09:08,093 --> 01:09:11,333
Speaker 20: So you get all these things and most of you

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01:09:11,372 --> 01:09:15,532
Speaker 20: get it off. I don't know, bad TV programs or

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01:09:15,732 --> 01:09:19,452
Speaker 20: horror movies and stuff, but never any way to correct it.

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01:09:20,133 --> 01:09:22,333
Speaker 20: This is why there needs to be more awareness and

1400
01:09:22,452 --> 01:09:25,173
Speaker 20: needs to be more from the government really to push us.

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01:09:25,173 --> 01:09:29,452
Speaker 20: In other countries, there's TV commercials all the time. I

1402
01:09:29,492 --> 01:09:32,372
Speaker 20: remember back in the UK they would promote it on

1403
01:09:32,452 --> 01:09:36,732
Speaker 20: TV commercials constantly, you know, as they did with putting

1404
01:09:36,772 --> 01:09:39,253
Speaker 20: seat belts on and things like that. It was quite

1405
01:09:39,333 --> 01:09:42,213
Speaker 20: common and so you know, get people in that frame

1406
01:09:42,253 --> 01:09:44,293
Speaker 20: of mind to talk about it with their family.

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01:09:46,173 --> 01:09:50,532
Speaker 2: So obviously we need to increase the donation rate. Do

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01:09:50,532 --> 01:09:53,653
Speaker 2: you think they're advertising or is there more legal changes

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01:09:54,013 --> 01:09:58,452
Speaker 2: or the way donations dealt with clinically that would increase

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01:09:58,812 --> 01:10:02,372
Speaker 2: New Zealand's organization organ donation right? What do you think

1411
01:10:02,973 --> 01:10:05,812
Speaker 2: the biggest improvements we could make to make that happen?

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01:10:05,933 --> 01:10:06,653
Speaker 6: Yeah?

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01:10:07,173 --> 01:10:11,252
Speaker 20: I think my main one is the public awareness. Basically,

1414
01:10:11,333 --> 01:10:16,333
Speaker 20: stop that six in ten people saying no. It should

1415
01:10:16,372 --> 01:10:18,812
Speaker 20: be which I pushed for as well. It should be

1416
01:10:19,173 --> 01:10:23,173
Speaker 20: mandatory training for doctors in icee. You I see, you

1417
01:10:23,333 --> 01:10:28,333
Speaker 20: to have training in organ donation and how to approach families.

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01:10:28,692 --> 01:10:30,932
Speaker 20: They have a thing called link nurses that do that now,

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01:10:31,013 --> 01:10:34,812
Speaker 20: so they are improving in some areas. But this is

1420
01:10:35,572 --> 01:10:38,732
Speaker 20: legal wise. Well, I did try and push for the

1421
01:10:38,772 --> 01:10:42,013
Speaker 20: opt out system, you know, where you're presumed to be

1422
01:10:42,053 --> 01:10:43,253
Speaker 20: an organ donor.

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01:10:45,772 --> 01:10:49,213
Speaker 6: As opposed to the opting in. Now you'd have to kind.

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01:10:49,053 --> 01:10:53,253
Speaker 20: Of opt out right, yes, as all of the UK

1425
01:10:53,412 --> 01:10:57,093
Speaker 20: does now many country does. And yeah, they're still a

1426
01:10:57,133 --> 01:10:59,732
Speaker 20: lot keen on doing that here. And in fact the

1427
01:11:00,652 --> 01:11:04,052
Speaker 20: Select Committee, which I appeared at many times, the organ

1428
01:11:04,093 --> 01:11:08,572
Speaker 20: donor doctors said if we did, if you did that,

1429
01:11:09,053 --> 01:11:14,412
Speaker 20: we wouldn't take the organs anyway. You know why Ley's

1430
01:11:14,452 --> 01:11:15,532
Speaker 20: us very against it.

1431
01:11:17,732 --> 01:11:19,693
Speaker 2: I mean, they're not saving lives.

1432
01:11:20,893 --> 01:11:21,013
Speaker 12: No.

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01:11:21,333 --> 01:11:25,812
Speaker 20: Well, certainly the ICU doctors I was dealing with at

1434
01:11:25,853 --> 01:11:31,213
Speaker 20: the time, with totally upfront blackmail the Select Committee, they

1435
01:11:31,333 --> 01:11:33,333
Speaker 20: just said you can change the law and we will

1436
01:11:33,333 --> 01:11:34,853
Speaker 20: not follow it.

1437
01:11:35,093 --> 01:11:35,532
Speaker 2: Very odd.

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01:11:35,612 --> 01:11:38,732
Speaker 3: So for something like what you know that you cannot

1439
01:11:38,732 --> 01:11:41,412
Speaker 3: doubt if there is it is so personal to you,

1440
01:11:41,452 --> 01:11:43,652
Speaker 3: that's fine. But to have it as a not done

1441
01:11:43,973 --> 01:11:46,693
Speaker 3: by default, I just don't see why they'd be opposition.

1442
01:11:47,812 --> 01:11:50,133
Speaker 2: Yeah, and how and how has it worked out in

1443
01:11:50,173 --> 01:11:53,572
Speaker 2: the countries where it has been introduced in recent years.

1444
01:11:53,612 --> 01:11:56,372
Speaker 20: Well, yeah, you do get some people who are against

1445
01:11:56,372 --> 01:11:59,212
Speaker 20: that sort of compulsion and they opt out, but overall

1446
01:11:59,572 --> 01:12:01,933
Speaker 20: much better rates.

1447
01:12:02,532 --> 01:12:07,812
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's been really great to check

1448
01:12:07,853 --> 01:12:10,452
Speaker 3: with you on this. Just the final question you mentioned

1449
01:12:10,452 --> 01:12:13,413
Speaker 3: what spooned you on this journey was your daughter Katie.

1450
01:12:13,973 --> 01:12:16,692
Speaker 3: How did that journey go for her?

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01:12:17,412 --> 01:12:23,092
Speaker 20: Okay, well, when I said she would need a new liver,

1452
01:12:23,572 --> 01:12:25,492
Speaker 20: it's not like the kidney where you've got two of them.

1453
01:12:26,973 --> 01:12:28,692
Speaker 6: She would need a new liver by age one.

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01:12:29,173 --> 01:12:35,253
Speaker 20: Well, she did not get her transplant. And believe it

1455
01:12:35,333 --> 01:12:37,772
Speaker 20: or not, she's now twenty three and she still hasn't

1456
01:12:37,812 --> 01:12:38,693
Speaker 20: had her transplant.

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01:12:38,973 --> 01:12:40,852
Speaker 6: Wow. And and she's.

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01:12:40,612 --> 01:12:44,133
Speaker 20: In good health. She is monitored regularly. And I also

1459
01:12:44,213 --> 01:12:48,772
Speaker 20: discover she is now the oldest living person in New

1460
01:12:48,853 --> 01:12:52,893
Speaker 20: Zealand with that liver disease who hasn't had a transplant.

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01:12:53,253 --> 01:12:54,852
Speaker 6: So of course I'm pretty happy.

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01:12:56,013 --> 01:12:59,892
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean incredible that she's managed to fire the odds.

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01:12:59,933 --> 01:13:02,053
Speaker 3: So she's still on the wait list. Andy, is that.

1464
01:13:05,333 --> 01:13:09,012
Speaker 20: Well, they know this is how they that's the figures

1465
01:13:09,053 --> 01:13:11,892
Speaker 20: up a bit, is they They don't put you on

1466
01:13:12,213 --> 01:13:15,372
Speaker 20: the waiting list for an organ donation until you're desperate

1467
01:13:15,412 --> 01:13:19,012
Speaker 20: for it, and then usually you're two. By that stage

1468
01:13:19,053 --> 01:13:22,053
Speaker 20: you're too sick to receive an organ donation, So that's

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01:13:22,053 --> 01:13:23,692
Speaker 20: why many people die waiting.

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01:13:24,372 --> 01:13:26,812
Speaker 3: Yeah, Andy, thank you very much for your time this

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01:13:26,853 --> 01:13:29,692
Speaker 3: afternoon and having a chat with us, and and well

1472
01:13:29,732 --> 01:13:31,772
Speaker 3: done for the changes you have made, but it seems

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01:13:31,772 --> 01:13:32,732
Speaker 3: there's still some way to go.

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01:13:32,893 --> 01:13:34,372
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks so much for the work you've done over

1475
01:13:34,372 --> 01:13:36,733
Speaker 2: the years in this space. Andy, it's fantastic.

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01:13:37,692 --> 01:13:39,612
Speaker 6: Yeah, great, thank you. Thanks.

1477
01:13:39,772 --> 01:13:42,372
Speaker 3: That is Andy Tuke who's been a campaigner to raise

1478
01:13:42,372 --> 01:13:45,213
Speaker 3: our donation rates for a couple of decades. We're taking

1479
01:13:45,213 --> 01:13:47,412
Speaker 3: more of your calls. O eighte hundred and eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 3: It is nine minutes to.

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Speaker 1: Three, the issues that affect you and a bit of

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01:13:53,412 --> 01:13:57,133
Speaker 1: fun along the way. Mad Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons News

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01:13:57,213 --> 01:13:58,052
Speaker 1: Talk ZEDB.

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Speaker 3: News Talk z b Ray. Your wife has been a

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01:14:03,013 --> 01:14:05,412
Speaker 3: recipient of donated organs twice.

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Speaker 23: Yeah.

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01:14:06,933 --> 01:14:11,892
Speaker 25: My worker's correct to transplant in the late seventies and

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01:14:12,253 --> 01:14:15,412
Speaker 25: the first transplant uncurse the lasted about five months since

1489
01:14:15,412 --> 01:14:18,612
Speaker 25: she went back on the kidney machine for another eight

1490
01:14:18,652 --> 01:14:21,973
Speaker 25: months and had a second transplant, and after being on

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01:14:22,013 --> 01:14:26,372
Speaker 25: the machine in total for over five years, that transplant,

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01:14:26,412 --> 01:14:28,612
Speaker 25: you know, it is better than winning any LOTO. I

1493
01:14:28,652 --> 01:14:31,692
Speaker 25: can tell you that. It's definitely life changing. And we're

1494
01:14:31,692 --> 01:14:33,812
Speaker 25: fortunate enough to get thirty four years and of that kidney.

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01:14:34,213 --> 01:14:34,692
Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 25: Yeah, And that was back in the days. There was

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01:14:40,133 --> 01:14:42,412
Speaker 25: a road excellent victim and they had to go around

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01:14:42,412 --> 01:14:45,692
Speaker 25: and approach the family to get permission to have the organized.

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01:14:45,732 --> 01:14:49,372
Speaker 25: So you know, we're very lucky, you weren't we?

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Speaker 2: So who had to go around? Who had to go

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01:14:51,732 --> 01:14:53,212
Speaker 2: around the family and get the permission?

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01:14:54,093 --> 01:14:56,613
Speaker 25: That's they had approached the family.

1503
01:14:57,293 --> 01:15:00,372
Speaker 3: Medical team And did you know who that family was?

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01:15:00,452 --> 01:15:05,652
Speaker 25: Right not at the time. We found out many years later,

1505
01:15:05,933 --> 01:15:08,812
Speaker 25: and it was believing all of the road accident from

1506
01:15:09,893 --> 01:15:12,492
Speaker 25: somewhere area from where the wife was originally came from.

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01:15:12,652 --> 01:15:18,892
Speaker 3: Oh wow, how incredible. And when you got down, yes, sorry.

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01:15:19,933 --> 01:15:22,973
Speaker 25: I got from tomorrow, he got they did. They did

1509
01:15:22,973 --> 01:15:25,253
Speaker 25: the two transplants from the theater at the same time,

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01:15:25,652 --> 01:15:27,572
Speaker 25: So I got from tomorrow, I got the other kidney.

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01:15:28,492 --> 01:15:31,293
Speaker 25: So you know, there's two recipients from the one.

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Speaker 2: And are you a donor?

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01:15:34,572 --> 01:15:35,452
Speaker 3: Ray?

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01:15:36,053 --> 01:15:38,932
Speaker 25: You don you know, it's probably too old.

1515
01:15:42,013 --> 01:15:46,093
Speaker 2: And so if you don't mind, you know, talking about it.

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01:15:46,133 --> 01:15:48,972
Speaker 2: So when your wife passed away, so she had thirty

1517
01:15:48,973 --> 01:15:53,452
Speaker 2: four years, was it from from the problem that had

1518
01:15:53,452 --> 01:15:55,852
Speaker 2: got the kidney donation or was it from.

1519
01:15:57,293 --> 01:15:59,692
Speaker 25: More drugs rejection drugs?

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01:15:59,732 --> 01:16:03,412
Speaker 2: You're oh, yes, right, yeah, right, sorry to hear that,

1521
01:16:03,452 --> 01:16:05,732
Speaker 2: but I mean that, I mean great that you got

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01:16:05,772 --> 01:16:09,013
Speaker 2: that thirty four years. Fantastic and thanks so much for sharing. Absolutely,

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01:16:09,053 --> 01:16:10,172
Speaker 2: we're going to keep this gooing.

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01:16:10,213 --> 01:16:12,173
Speaker 3: Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number

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01:16:12,173 --> 01:16:14,852
Speaker 3: to call if you've been a donor, recipient or a

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01:16:14,933 --> 01:16:15,932
Speaker 3: donor want to hear from.

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01:16:15,853 --> 01:16:21,652
Speaker 12: You your new home are insateful and entertaining talk It's

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01:16:21,812 --> 01:16:25,972
Speaker 12: Mattie and Taylor Adams afternoons on News Talk Sevvy.

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01:16:27,372 --> 01:16:29,812
Speaker 3: Very good afternoon to you, Welcome back into the program.

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01:16:29,893 --> 01:16:33,092
Speaker 3: Seven past three. We've kept this conversation about organ donation

1531
01:16:33,253 --> 01:16:36,132
Speaker 3: going on because so many people want to share their story.

1532
01:16:36,173 --> 01:16:37,412
Speaker 3: But this is on the back of a story in

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01:16:37,412 --> 01:16:39,412
Speaker 3: the New Zealand Herald. You can read it right now.

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01:16:40,013 --> 01:16:43,612
Speaker 3: It is about a woman called Amanda McCowan. So she

1535
01:16:43,692 --> 01:16:45,892
Speaker 3: had a bit of a rocky past with her husband.

1536
01:16:45,933 --> 01:16:48,492
Speaker 3: They separated. It was all pretty painful, but when his

1537
01:16:48,732 --> 01:16:52,213
Speaker 3: new wife needed a kidney, she put all of that aside.

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01:16:52,652 --> 01:16:56,012
Speaker 3: They were compatible, obviously, and decided to give the kidney

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01:16:56,053 --> 01:16:58,652
Speaker 3: to her ex husband's wife. How beautiful and how good

1540
01:16:58,692 --> 01:16:58,852
Speaker 3: is that?

1541
01:16:58,933 --> 01:16:59,213
Speaker 6: Wow?

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01:16:59,492 --> 01:17:00,852
Speaker 3: That has been the bigger person.

1543
01:17:00,973 --> 01:17:06,572
Speaker 2: Okay, so you and God forbid Tracy and I split up,

1544
01:17:06,612 --> 01:17:09,852
Speaker 2: and May you split up, and then I get with

1545
01:17:09,933 --> 01:17:14,172
Speaker 2: May and then I have a I have a kidney problem.

1546
01:17:14,572 --> 01:17:17,133
Speaker 2: Would you would you donate your kidney to me?

1547
01:17:17,253 --> 01:17:19,732
Speaker 3: I'd be very angry at you, but mainly because it's you,

1548
01:17:19,933 --> 01:17:21,612
Speaker 3: Matt Heath, and I love you mate that I'll give

1549
01:17:21,612 --> 01:17:23,772
Speaker 3: you the kidney. But if it was some other joker,

1550
01:17:23,772 --> 01:17:25,372
Speaker 3: I'd say, jog old, mate, you got to go.

1551
01:17:25,893 --> 01:17:26,093
Speaker 21: Yeah.

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01:17:26,213 --> 01:17:30,612
Speaker 2: I mean the level of forgiveness in that is quite something.

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01:17:31,853 --> 01:17:35,012
Speaker 2: My key we mate got the first live liver transplant

1554
01:17:35,093 --> 01:17:37,932
Speaker 2: in the UK, says this text to Graham. That's when

1555
01:17:37,973 --> 01:17:40,012
Speaker 2: you take part of a living person's liver and put

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01:17:40,013 --> 01:17:42,612
Speaker 2: it into a person who needs a new liver. Incredible stuff.

1557
01:17:42,612 --> 01:17:44,972
Speaker 2: As family were not a match, but amazingly his Scottish

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01:17:44,973 --> 01:17:47,652
Speaker 2: wife was, and she donated part of her liver TERIM

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01:17:48,213 --> 01:17:50,532
Speaker 2: what a love story. Chairs Stephen willingcom.

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01:17:50,253 --> 01:17:52,772
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great text. Thank you very much. Keep

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01:17:52,812 --> 01:17:56,212
Speaker 3: those texts coming through. On nine two nine too, Julie,

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01:17:56,253 --> 01:17:57,892
Speaker 3: how are you hi?

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01:17:57,973 --> 01:17:59,452
Speaker 6: I'm good at things now.

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01:17:59,492 --> 01:18:01,772
Speaker 2: You've got a pretty incredible story program.

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01:18:02,372 --> 01:18:05,852
Speaker 18: Yes, I have my I gave my daughter whose second

1566
01:18:06,013 --> 01:18:09,612
Speaker 18: kidney she'd already previously had one for a cadava that

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01:18:09,772 --> 01:18:13,492
Speaker 18: lasted about five years, and she was thirteen when she

1568
01:18:13,572 --> 01:18:18,012
Speaker 18: had that, and then at seventeen, I'd been tested myself

1569
01:18:18,013 --> 01:18:20,612
Speaker 18: and my husband and I was a better match. So

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01:18:20,692 --> 01:18:24,012
Speaker 18: I gave her a kidney at seventeen, and it lasted

1571
01:18:24,053 --> 01:18:28,692
Speaker 18: about twenty nine years, and then it started to fail

1572
01:18:29,213 --> 01:18:33,772
Speaker 18: and she had another kidney donation from.

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01:18:34,532 --> 01:18:36,213
Speaker 21: Another very close friend.

1574
01:18:37,652 --> 01:18:43,452
Speaker 18: And it's been ten years on last October that she

1575
01:18:44,053 --> 01:18:44,652
Speaker 18: had that one.

1576
01:18:44,772 --> 01:18:48,973
Speaker 2: So she's in her fifties now, is she.

1577
01:18:48,093 --> 01:18:51,293
Speaker 18: She's fifty five now, and she's seventeen when I gave

1578
01:18:51,293 --> 01:18:55,173
Speaker 18: her mind, So there is life after kidney transplant.

1579
01:18:55,612 --> 01:19:00,253
Speaker 2: Wow, you know what you like? You sound like you're

1580
01:19:00,372 --> 01:19:02,812
Speaker 2: you sound like you're about thirty five. You've got a very.

1581
01:19:02,692 --> 01:19:05,213
Speaker 3: Young a lot of vitality.

1582
01:19:06,293 --> 01:19:07,652
Speaker 2: I was trying to do the math on what you

1583
01:19:07,652 --> 01:19:08,973
Speaker 2: were talking about.

1584
01:19:10,933 --> 01:19:14,053
Speaker 18: Yeah, no, and I'm pretty fit, but I have to

1585
01:19:14,053 --> 01:19:16,612
Speaker 18: be careful. I drink a lot of water. I think

1586
01:19:16,612 --> 01:19:18,973
Speaker 18: giving the kidney, I probably drank too much wine, but

1587
01:19:19,093 --> 01:19:22,333
Speaker 18: I don't now. And yeah, so.

1588
01:19:23,213 --> 01:19:25,093
Speaker 2: Has your daughter's house at fifty five?

1589
01:19:25,412 --> 01:19:27,572
Speaker 15: She's got she's got a full time job.

1590
01:19:27,652 --> 01:19:32,372
Speaker 18: She's never ever been not working, and she's happily married.

1591
01:19:32,853 --> 01:19:35,812
Speaker 18: They chose not to have children because of the risk

1592
01:19:35,973 --> 01:19:38,052
Speaker 18: to the kidney.

1593
01:19:38,692 --> 01:19:41,452
Speaker 21: And they've just been done.

1594
01:19:41,253 --> 01:19:43,572
Speaker 18: A seven week tour all around Europe.

1595
01:19:43,933 --> 01:19:44,133
Speaker 6: Wow.

1596
01:19:44,173 --> 01:19:47,852
Speaker 18: So yeah, she's very good. But she has been six

1597
01:19:47,893 --> 01:19:51,732
Speaker 18: since she was nine years old. So she had dialysis

1598
01:19:52,093 --> 01:19:54,372
Speaker 18: for about three years.

1599
01:19:54,973 --> 01:19:58,013
Speaker 21: And that was not the machine.

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01:19:58,133 --> 01:20:02,732
Speaker 18: It was CAAPD. It's done through liquid fluid going into

1601
01:20:02,732 --> 01:20:06,053
Speaker 18: your abdomen, into the cavity there and clean it out.

1602
01:20:06,093 --> 01:20:08,612
Speaker 18: And she went to school and they say up a

1603
01:20:08,692 --> 01:20:10,892
Speaker 18: room for She changed to beg for, you know, four

1604
01:20:10,933 --> 01:20:14,532
Speaker 18: times a day, and she just got on with life.

1605
01:20:14,732 --> 01:20:17,852
Speaker 18: And she didn't have from high blood prescia. But now

1606
01:20:18,532 --> 01:20:20,772
Speaker 18: I take more blood pressure pools. She doesn't take any

1607
01:20:20,812 --> 01:20:24,693
Speaker 18: blood pressure polls. Now she's got everything. She has definitely

1608
01:20:24,973 --> 01:20:28,173
Speaker 18: followed it to the book, done everything she could do.

1609
01:20:28,412 --> 01:20:31,933
Speaker 2: You must be really proud. And so what are your

1610
01:20:31,933 --> 01:20:34,173
Speaker 2: conversations that you've had with her over the years. About

1611
01:20:34,173 --> 01:20:36,812
Speaker 2: the donation that you that you did and put in

1612
01:20:36,812 --> 01:20:39,973
Speaker 2: a number of years as her kidney.

1613
01:20:41,093 --> 01:20:44,333
Speaker 18: We don't. We don't really talk about it. It's sort

1614
01:20:44,333 --> 01:20:45,692
Speaker 18: of like something that.

1615
01:20:45,572 --> 01:20:47,772
Speaker 21: You just do and you get.

1616
01:20:47,652 --> 01:20:48,492
Speaker 18: On with life.

1617
01:20:49,532 --> 01:20:51,493
Speaker 21: You know that sounds weird, doesn't.

1618
01:20:51,173 --> 01:20:54,892
Speaker 2: It, But as as a mum you kind of donated

1619
01:20:54,933 --> 01:20:56,532
Speaker 2: all her organs to her.

1620
01:20:59,173 --> 01:21:01,213
Speaker 21: Yeah, you know, I was, but I never.

1621
01:21:01,213 --> 01:21:02,093
Speaker 20: Thought of it like that.

1622
01:21:02,452 --> 01:21:04,052
Speaker 18: I think you've cut off your right.

1623
01:21:03,973 --> 01:21:04,692
Speaker 21: Arm for you.

1624
01:21:04,772 --> 01:21:07,612
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, And I.

1625
01:21:07,532 --> 01:21:09,492
Speaker 18: Did feel like I had been run over by a

1626
01:21:09,532 --> 01:21:12,492
Speaker 18: bus after I've had it. They we weren't in the

1627
01:21:12,532 --> 01:21:15,852
Speaker 18: same ward was done in Wellington Hospital. She was in

1628
01:21:17,333 --> 01:21:19,053
Speaker 18: she was up in the renal ward and I was

1629
01:21:19,093 --> 01:21:22,892
Speaker 18: in neurology, which had it was quite a long walk away.

1630
01:21:23,253 --> 01:21:26,372
Speaker 18: They bought her down in a wheelchair the day after

1631
01:21:26,452 --> 01:21:29,212
Speaker 18: the op and I just looked at her and instead

1632
01:21:29,213 --> 01:21:34,253
Speaker 18: of seeing this very pallid looking child, well teenagers sitting there,

1633
01:21:34,652 --> 01:21:37,173
Speaker 18: she had this bright, pink face. I couldn't believe it.

1634
01:21:37,372 --> 01:21:42,692
Speaker 18: I think she was how etant and how wonderful that

1635
01:21:42,772 --> 01:21:48,412
Speaker 18: it was. Yeah, she's had a relatively normal life, but

1636
01:21:48,612 --> 01:21:51,812
Speaker 18: she has been on a lot of steroids anti rejection drugs,

1637
01:21:52,133 --> 01:21:54,013
Speaker 18: and she's still on them, and you do have to

1638
01:21:54,053 --> 01:21:56,732
Speaker 18: take them for the life of the kidney. I think

1639
01:21:56,772 --> 01:21:59,412
Speaker 18: a lot of people think that I've had the kidney

1640
01:21:59,452 --> 01:22:01,772
Speaker 18: ten years or whatever. I'm sure I don't need these,

1641
01:22:02,293 --> 01:22:05,652
Speaker 18: but you definitely have to do what you're told.

1642
01:22:06,213 --> 01:22:09,812
Speaker 2: The technology has as the technology, she changed a lot. Obviously,

1643
01:22:09,973 --> 01:22:11,772
Speaker 2: you guys have been in the game over the years.

1644
01:22:11,973 --> 01:22:13,572
Speaker 2: What are the improvements.

1645
01:22:13,772 --> 01:22:14,893
Speaker 21: Yeah, definitely.

1646
01:22:14,973 --> 01:22:18,053
Speaker 18: When she first had dialysis, it was all in bottles,

1647
01:22:18,492 --> 01:22:22,092
Speaker 18: hanging bottles from you know, the water that the fluid

1648
01:22:22,133 --> 01:22:25,253
Speaker 18: went in the dextro solution and you know, so you

1649
01:22:25,293 --> 01:22:28,093
Speaker 18: couldn't go anywhere without the bottle attached to you. But

1650
01:22:28,213 --> 01:22:31,333
Speaker 18: now then they got the bags and we made clothes

1651
01:22:31,372 --> 01:22:34,772
Speaker 18: to hold the bag, and the fluid stayed in you

1652
01:22:34,853 --> 01:22:38,412
Speaker 18: for four hours and then you put the bag on

1653
01:22:38,452 --> 01:22:41,892
Speaker 18: the floor and it drained out. Nowadays, the fluid goes in,

1654
01:22:41,973 --> 01:22:44,692
Speaker 18: I'm pretty sure, and the bag comes off and then

1655
01:22:44,732 --> 01:22:45,093
Speaker 18: you do.

1656
01:22:45,173 --> 01:22:46,892
Speaker 21: Put it on again to do it, so you don't.

1657
01:22:46,732 --> 01:22:49,492
Speaker 18: Have to worry about that. I'm not exactly sure about that,

1658
01:22:49,652 --> 01:22:54,093
Speaker 18: but I know that technology has done marvels.

1659
01:22:53,893 --> 01:22:57,412
Speaker 3: Yes, and so that the THOD kidney's that's still going

1660
01:22:57,412 --> 01:22:58,652
Speaker 3: well for at fifty five.

1661
01:22:58,812 --> 01:23:01,773
Speaker 18: Yeah, it's ten years and it's better.

1662
01:23:01,612 --> 01:23:05,852
Speaker 21: Than my kidney. How do you know, because your kidney

1663
01:23:05,853 --> 01:23:09,973
Speaker 21: function is brilliant, right function and a Yeah, my.

1664
01:23:10,133 --> 01:23:13,293
Speaker 18: Kidney functions not as good as anyone else my age.

1665
01:23:13,692 --> 01:23:16,932
Speaker 18: But that's like having a swimming pool and having two

1666
01:23:16,973 --> 01:23:18,852
Speaker 18: filters compared to one working.

1667
01:23:18,933 --> 01:23:19,532
Speaker 21: Do you know what I mean?

1668
01:23:19,652 --> 01:23:21,812
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but I'll tell you what I mean.

1669
01:23:21,933 --> 01:23:24,173
Speaker 2: As I said before, you said, you sound you sound

1670
01:23:24,213 --> 01:23:25,452
Speaker 2: powerful and full of vigor.

1671
01:23:25,853 --> 01:23:27,652
Speaker 21: Oh oh, thank you for that.

1672
01:23:28,093 --> 01:23:28,412
Speaker 23: Yeah.

1673
01:23:28,492 --> 01:23:31,452
Speaker 18: I'm still still getting around doing things do a but

1674
01:23:31,492 --> 01:23:34,293
Speaker 18: apart time, we're still in enjoying life.

1675
01:23:34,372 --> 01:23:34,572
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1676
01:23:34,692 --> 01:23:36,772
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh you're a gem. Thank you, Thank you very

1677
01:23:36,853 --> 01:23:38,652
Speaker 3: much for the call. Jilly Oh, eight hundred and eighty

1678
01:23:38,692 --> 01:23:41,492
Speaker 3: ten eighty. Really keen to hear your donation story when

1679
01:23:41,532 --> 01:23:44,732
Speaker 3: it comes to organs, whether you donated or were the

1680
01:23:44,812 --> 01:23:46,932
Speaker 3: recipient of an organ. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

1681
01:23:46,973 --> 01:23:49,732
Speaker 3: is that number to call? Fourteen past three News Talk

1682
01:23:49,812 --> 01:23:53,612
Speaker 3: ZB News TALKSB. We're talking about organ donation. Whether you

1683
01:23:53,652 --> 01:23:55,972
Speaker 3: have given an organ to someone you loved or indeed

1684
01:23:56,013 --> 01:23:57,852
Speaker 3: a stranger, or you've received one.

1685
01:23:57,933 --> 01:24:00,412
Speaker 2: Love to hear from you, is this true? Humans are

1686
01:24:00,452 --> 01:24:02,652
Speaker 2: actually born with four kidneys, but as you get older,

1687
01:24:02,772 --> 01:24:04,772
Speaker 2: two of them turn into your adult knees.

1688
01:24:04,933 --> 01:24:06,973
Speaker 3: Mike, you know, I'm ashamed to admit this, but I

1689
01:24:07,133 --> 01:24:10,612
Speaker 3: actually googled that just to whether it was or not.

1690
01:24:11,053 --> 01:24:11,372
Speaker 23: Mike.

1691
01:24:11,812 --> 01:24:15,732
Speaker 2: You yeah, well, no, he's not a dickhead. He's joking.

1692
01:24:16,133 --> 01:24:16,492
Speaker 8: Ye know.

1693
01:24:16,732 --> 01:24:19,612
Speaker 2: Well I know now he's making quite an amusing joke.

1694
01:24:20,572 --> 01:24:22,052
Speaker 2: You googled it, so you're the dickhead.

1695
01:24:22,253 --> 01:24:24,253
Speaker 3: Well, I can confirm that most people are born with

1696
01:24:24,333 --> 01:24:27,932
Speaker 3: two kidneys. Yes, very very few were born with three.

1697
01:24:28,213 --> 01:24:30,532
Speaker 2: But there was a period of time where you thought

1698
01:24:31,013 --> 01:24:32,492
Speaker 2: maybe they turned into your knees.

1699
01:24:33,572 --> 01:24:35,812
Speaker 3: Maybe not the knees, I just thought they'd get absorbed

1700
01:24:35,812 --> 01:24:38,652
Speaker 3: by some part of the body. Anyway, Mike, thank you

1701
01:24:38,732 --> 01:24:41,293
Speaker 3: very much. So that's the dumb dumb Ass of the

1702
01:24:41,293 --> 01:24:42,013
Speaker 3: Week awards.

1703
01:24:42,093 --> 01:24:43,213
Speaker 2: Cherry, Welcome to the show.

1704
01:24:44,492 --> 01:24:44,772
Speaker 7: Hello.

1705
01:24:45,933 --> 01:24:49,572
Speaker 21: I want to talk about my cousins. She went to

1706
01:24:49,612 --> 01:24:54,572
Speaker 21: live in America and was involved in medical employment and research.

1707
01:24:55,412 --> 01:24:59,732
Speaker 21: Her only daughter was killed or her only child, in

1708
01:24:59,812 --> 01:25:04,812
Speaker 21: a car accident when she was eighteen, and my cousins,

1709
01:25:04,933 --> 01:25:10,132
Speaker 21: being involved in the medical world, basically donated her body

1710
01:25:10,412 --> 01:25:18,133
Speaker 21: for organ replacements. And I was absolutely astonished because we

1711
01:25:18,253 --> 01:25:22,173
Speaker 21: tend to hear that somebody's had a liver transplant or

1712
01:25:22,213 --> 01:25:28,572
Speaker 21: a kidney transplant. There were over ninety RECIFC recipients. That's

1713
01:25:28,893 --> 01:25:33,412
Speaker 21: nine recipients from her daughter's body.

1714
01:25:33,612 --> 01:25:34,052
Speaker 2: Wow.

1715
01:25:35,053 --> 01:25:37,892
Speaker 21: Yes, you know, there were all sorts of little bits

1716
01:25:37,933 --> 01:25:41,892
Speaker 21: and pieces of skin and the things that you just

1717
01:25:41,973 --> 01:25:45,132
Speaker 21: don't think of. You tend to think of the whole

1718
01:25:45,333 --> 01:25:49,412
Speaker 21: organ So, you know, having lost a daughter, that brought

1719
01:25:49,492 --> 01:25:55,652
Speaker 21: her some comfort to know that that many people that

1720
01:25:56,013 --> 01:25:58,492
Speaker 21: benefited from such a tragic test.

1721
01:25:58,893 --> 01:26:02,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that it's a tragedy, but year ninety

1722
01:26:02,253 --> 01:26:07,212
Speaker 2: people helped us is quite incredible. And so the decision

1723
01:26:07,293 --> 01:26:09,772
Speaker 2: must have been made pretty Yeah I don't think I

1724
01:26:09,812 --> 01:26:12,532
Speaker 2: wasn't aware of that, but so the decision must have

1725
01:26:12,572 --> 01:26:14,172
Speaker 2: been made quite quickly.

1726
01:26:15,253 --> 01:26:18,293
Speaker 21: Well, yes, she was you know, killed in a car accident,

1727
01:26:18,692 --> 01:26:25,732
Speaker 21: and my cousin just that was what she decided to do.

1728
01:26:26,053 --> 01:26:30,093
Speaker 3: So, yeah, what a wonderful thing to do. I mean,

1729
01:26:30,612 --> 01:26:32,612
Speaker 3: so sad to hear about what happened to your cousin,

1730
01:26:32,652 --> 01:26:38,093
Speaker 3: But the fact that ninety people received, you know, some

1731
01:26:38,133 --> 01:26:41,412
Speaker 3: sort of transplant to hopefully prolong their lives or to

1732
01:26:42,293 --> 01:26:44,372
Speaker 3: you know, sort them out, that's a beautiful thing. That

1733
01:26:44,452 --> 01:26:45,013
Speaker 3: someone can do.

1734
01:26:46,213 --> 01:26:46,412
Speaker 24: Yes.

1735
01:26:46,612 --> 01:26:50,093
Speaker 21: So, as I say, we tend to think of sort

1736
01:26:50,133 --> 01:26:55,412
Speaker 21: of whole organs that obviously I don't know the details,

1737
01:26:55,853 --> 01:26:59,372
Speaker 21: but there are lots of smaller bits and pieces in

1738
01:26:59,412 --> 01:27:05,852
Speaker 21: our body that can be used for people, so public

1739
01:27:05,893 --> 01:27:07,052
Speaker 21: can bear that in mind.

1740
01:27:08,893 --> 01:27:10,372
Speaker 2: Thank you very much for your call, Cherry.

1741
01:27:10,412 --> 01:27:11,852
Speaker 3: Interesting, Yeah, very interesting.

1742
01:27:12,253 --> 01:27:15,412
Speaker 2: Can you specify what you don't like? Say this? Opt

1743
01:27:15,412 --> 01:27:17,812
Speaker 2: and opt out? Right, So there's a couple of people testing,

1744
01:27:17,893 --> 01:27:20,452
Speaker 2: going I don't mind donating. There's two super people have

1745
01:27:20,532 --> 01:27:22,412
Speaker 2: teached this, which is an interesting point. But I can

1746
01:27:22,492 --> 01:27:25,293
Speaker 2: kind of see pardon the pun and advance of what

1747
01:27:25,333 --> 01:27:29,053
Speaker 2: I'm about to say, but I can see that I

1748
01:27:29,173 --> 01:27:35,772
Speaker 2: might want to donate my lungs whatever skin yep, But

1749
01:27:36,293 --> 01:27:37,932
Speaker 2: for some reason, I don't know the idea of donating

1750
01:27:37,933 --> 01:27:38,333
Speaker 2: my eyes.

1751
01:27:38,492 --> 01:27:41,412
Speaker 3: Interesting to say that, because I've thought that before, something

1752
01:27:41,452 --> 01:27:44,093
Speaker 3: about the eyes and indeed, you know, my whole face.

1753
01:27:44,213 --> 01:27:46,372
Speaker 3: Not that anybody would want it, but hey, it's been

1754
01:27:46,372 --> 01:27:48,573
Speaker 3: no one to happen that there has been face transplants.

1755
01:27:49,093 --> 01:27:51,772
Speaker 2: So when you opt in for donation, and if you

1756
01:27:51,812 --> 01:27:54,973
Speaker 2: went round and talk to your family, because you know,

1757
01:27:55,053 --> 01:27:58,093
Speaker 2: as we're talking to Andy before, optin doesn't mean much

1758
01:27:58,372 --> 01:27:59,892
Speaker 2: because it has to go for the family. If even

1759
01:27:59,893 --> 01:28:01,932
Speaker 2: one family membersites no that it doesn't happen, so you'd

1760
01:28:01,973 --> 01:28:03,652
Speaker 2: have to go around and talk. But could you go look,

1761
01:28:03,893 --> 01:28:07,253
Speaker 2: I take everything leave my eyes.

1762
01:28:07,492 --> 01:28:08,293
Speaker 3: It's a great question.

1763
01:28:08,772 --> 01:28:10,133
Speaker 2: I don't know why I leave my eyes. I think

1764
01:28:10,133 --> 01:28:11,532
Speaker 2: it's because I spend a lot of time looking out

1765
01:28:11,572 --> 01:28:14,013
Speaker 2: of them, so they're very very personal to you, very

1766
01:28:14,053 --> 01:28:14,572
Speaker 2: personal to me.

1767
01:28:14,652 --> 01:28:16,452
Speaker 3: Yeah, whereas the kidney, you don't see that much. But

1768
01:28:16,492 --> 01:28:18,133
Speaker 3: if you know the answer to that, I'd love to

1769
01:28:18,133 --> 01:28:20,532
Speaker 3: hear from you. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. It

1770
01:28:20,692 --> 01:28:22,253
Speaker 3: is twenty one past three.

1771
01:28:22,253 --> 01:28:28,932
Speaker 1: Back in a month, matd Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call

1772
01:28:29,053 --> 01:28:31,732
Speaker 1: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty on news Talk ZEDB.

1773
01:28:32,053 --> 01:28:34,572
Speaker 3: It's twenty four past three, and we're talking about organ donation.

1774
01:28:34,812 --> 01:28:37,253
Speaker 3: If you have been a donor or a recipient, really,

1775
01:28:37,253 --> 01:28:38,932
Speaker 3: can you hear your story? Oh eight hundred eighty ten

1776
01:28:38,973 --> 01:28:39,692
Speaker 3: eighty is that number?

1777
01:28:39,732 --> 01:28:42,133
Speaker 2: So I've got an update on my eyes situation and

1778
01:28:42,173 --> 01:28:44,173
Speaker 2: the many people that text you and going I want

1779
01:28:44,213 --> 01:28:45,173
Speaker 2: to donate everything.

1780
01:28:44,893 --> 01:28:48,173
Speaker 3: But on my eyes, yes, which is fair enough.

1781
01:28:48,652 --> 01:28:49,612
Speaker 2: You said that I haven't seen it.

1782
01:28:49,692 --> 01:28:51,892
Speaker 3: Oh, sorry, so asking you for it Yeah, Yeah, Andy

1783
01:28:51,893 --> 01:28:54,692
Speaker 3: Tookey has just ticked through. And he said so. He

1784
01:28:54,772 --> 01:28:57,012
Speaker 3: spoke to Andy Tooky last hour. He spent a long

1785
01:28:57,093 --> 01:29:00,372
Speaker 3: time campaigning for more donations. And he says, yes, you

1786
01:29:00,492 --> 01:29:02,932
Speaker 3: can opt out of certain organs, which means they can't

1787
01:29:03,093 --> 01:29:04,692
Speaker 3: take your eyes if you don't want them to.

1788
01:29:05,372 --> 01:29:07,772
Speaker 2: Okay, so you can't. You can have everything but my

1789
01:29:07,853 --> 01:29:10,572
Speaker 2: eyes and my right toe.

1790
01:29:11,133 --> 01:29:12,333
Speaker 3: Nobody wants the right dough.

1791
01:29:12,692 --> 01:29:16,132
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not a bad start. It's got a broken

1792
01:29:16,133 --> 01:29:22,973
Speaker 2: infected joint today. Murray, you're a donor recipient.

1793
01:29:23,973 --> 01:29:29,133
Speaker 23: Yeah, good afternoon, guys. I am a donor recipient of tissue.

1794
01:29:29,333 --> 01:29:31,732
Speaker 23: And just as you were talking about eyes, I have

1795
01:29:31,893 --> 01:29:38,133
Speaker 23: had three corneal grafts which have corrected my eyes to

1796
01:29:38,173 --> 01:29:43,093
Speaker 23: a certain extent, and I now we're contact lenses. My

1797
01:29:43,253 --> 01:29:47,492
Speaker 23: first one was done sixty two years ago, and my

1798
01:29:47,692 --> 01:29:53,372
Speaker 23: second done left eye sixty years ago. And and I

1799
01:29:53,492 --> 01:29:59,933
Speaker 23: had a second, sorry, a second tissue put in my

1800
01:30:00,293 --> 01:30:05,933
Speaker 23: right eye two years ago. Forever thankful to the donors

1801
01:30:06,612 --> 01:30:10,893
Speaker 23: and with my I now I have six six or

1802
01:30:11,053 --> 01:30:15,572
Speaker 23: twenty twenty vision with a contact lens. My right eye

1803
01:30:15,812 --> 01:30:20,172
Speaker 23: is still basically healing. Although I have a contact lens.

1804
01:30:20,893 --> 01:30:23,772
Speaker 23: There are still stitches in my right eye after two

1805
01:30:23,853 --> 01:30:24,452
Speaker 23: years ago.

1806
01:30:24,973 --> 01:30:28,253
Speaker 3: Wow. And so what's the process when your vision started

1807
01:30:28,293 --> 01:30:31,852
Speaker 3: going and you needed that transplant or donation? What was

1808
01:30:31,853 --> 01:30:32,892
Speaker 3: the process involved?

1809
01:30:34,013 --> 01:30:38,892
Speaker 23: Well, basically, firstly, it's called a name terra to coonus

1810
01:30:38,933 --> 01:30:42,133
Speaker 23: where the cornea goes into a cone shape, stretches at

1811
01:30:42,173 --> 01:30:46,612
Speaker 23: the edges, and bets light into your pupil, so it's

1812
01:30:46,692 --> 01:30:51,933
Speaker 23: not basically going blind through darkness. The process was basically

1813
01:30:52,173 --> 01:30:59,293
Speaker 23: that into hospital, the operation I think takes a couple

1814
01:30:59,293 --> 01:31:03,772
Speaker 23: of hours, and then when my first ones were done,

1815
01:31:03,933 --> 01:31:08,852
Speaker 23: I had to have pads over both eyes because just

1816
01:31:08,893 --> 01:31:11,492
Speaker 23: to keep me settled flat on my back for a

1817
01:31:11,572 --> 01:31:16,333
Speaker 23: month in hospital, and then they take the unaffected eye

1818
01:31:16,492 --> 01:31:20,772
Speaker 23: or the unoperated eye pad off after two weeks. That

1819
01:31:20,933 --> 01:31:25,012
Speaker 23: you keep the operated pad on for the further two

1820
01:31:25,053 --> 01:31:30,052
Speaker 23: weeks full month. Secondly, though my last one was done

1821
01:31:30,053 --> 01:31:33,452
Speaker 23: two years ago, you're in in the morning and you're

1822
01:31:33,492 --> 01:31:36,692
Speaker 23: out the next morning, no pads on or anything, go home.

1823
01:31:37,853 --> 01:31:41,612
Speaker 23: So in those sixty years there's been a lot of

1824
01:31:41,692 --> 01:31:47,973
Speaker 23: advancement and they've been both successful, which I'm very appreciative of.

1825
01:31:49,053 --> 01:31:52,293
Speaker 2: Do you have any idea who made the donations across

1826
01:31:52,333 --> 01:31:53,933
Speaker 2: the years to you, murray.

1827
01:31:54,412 --> 01:31:57,333
Speaker 23: No, not at all, but do you think about it?

1828
01:31:57,293 --> 01:32:00,452
Speaker 23: And then I do think about it a lot. And

1829
01:32:00,492 --> 01:32:04,612
Speaker 23: I'll just tell you something that my optician said to me.

1830
01:32:04,772 --> 01:32:07,452
Speaker 23: She said, I think you've got a cornea from a

1831
01:32:07,572 --> 01:32:12,972
Speaker 23: nineteen year old pretty girl. I loved about that.

1832
01:32:13,893 --> 01:32:17,173
Speaker 2: I was, what was the reason for thinking it was

1833
01:32:17,213 --> 01:32:19,012
Speaker 2: from a nineteen year old pretty girl?

1834
01:32:20,293 --> 01:32:20,692
Speaker 9: Yeah?

1835
01:32:20,772 --> 01:32:25,213
Speaker 23: Yeah, Well I I joke a bit, and I now

1836
01:32:25,372 --> 01:32:31,532
Speaker 23: say I can, I can multitask. And what I know

1837
01:32:32,053 --> 01:32:34,932
Speaker 23: I know anyway, and what I don't know I still

1838
01:32:34,973 --> 01:32:38,173
Speaker 23: know anyway. Having that young lady's florn there.

1839
01:32:38,973 --> 01:32:41,612
Speaker 2: What other parts of the eye can be donated and

1840
01:32:41,732 --> 01:32:43,692
Speaker 2: transplanted married? Do you know?

1841
01:32:44,572 --> 01:32:50,412
Speaker 23: I honestly don't know. But just one thing. I went

1842
01:32:50,452 --> 01:32:55,053
Speaker 23: to a seminar about three years ago and met a

1843
01:32:55,133 --> 01:32:58,532
Speaker 23: senior doctor and a senior NURST from a harvest team,

1844
01:32:59,133 --> 01:33:02,812
Speaker 23: so they, you know, go around and make sure organs

1845
01:33:02,812 --> 01:33:07,213
Speaker 23: are okay from those who are donating. And the doctor said,

1846
01:33:07,333 --> 01:33:09,293
Speaker 23: I said to him, look on had of corneo grap

1847
01:33:09,333 --> 01:33:12,412
Speaker 23: and I was thinking about He said, have you. I said, yes,

1848
01:33:12,933 --> 01:33:17,213
Speaker 23: I have. He said I had never ever met any

1849
01:33:17,452 --> 01:33:21,972
Speaker 23: donor recipient? Wow, And he was yeah, he was over

1850
01:33:22,013 --> 01:33:28,892
Speaker 23: the moon. So normally the period of time that they

1851
01:33:28,933 --> 01:33:32,492
Speaker 23: will last is about thirty years, so both mine have

1852
01:33:32,692 --> 01:33:37,812
Speaker 23: really continued on for double the time that is normally

1853
01:33:38,213 --> 01:33:40,092
Speaker 23: suitable for successful vision.

1854
01:33:40,612 --> 01:33:43,093
Speaker 2: Oh, welcome, congratulations for that, Murray, so glad to hear that.

1855
01:33:43,293 --> 01:33:45,213
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your call. And I hope

1856
01:33:45,213 --> 01:33:47,572
Speaker 2: those nineteen year old girl's eyes go well for you.

1857
01:33:47,652 --> 01:33:48,972
Speaker 3: Yeah, lucky man all forward.

1858
01:33:49,093 --> 01:33:49,253
Speaker 21: Yeah.

1859
01:33:49,293 --> 01:33:50,972
Speaker 3: Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

1860
01:33:50,973 --> 01:33:51,532
Speaker 3: to call all.

1861
01:33:51,452 --> 01:33:53,333
Speaker 2: These people teaching, And it's making me feel bad about

1862
01:33:53,372 --> 01:33:56,492
Speaker 2: not wanting to donate my eyes because does seem to

1863
01:33:56,492 --> 01:33:58,412
Speaker 2: be something that can really really help people.

1864
01:33:58,732 --> 01:33:59,692
Speaker 3: Put it on the list, But.

1865
01:33:59,612 --> 01:34:01,052
Speaker 2: Does anyone want my bung eyes?

1866
01:34:02,372 --> 01:34:04,652
Speaker 3: Someone would one of them.

1867
01:34:04,532 --> 01:34:06,293
Speaker 2: Looks into totally different direction than the other one.

1868
01:34:06,492 --> 01:34:08,973
Speaker 3: Someone would take it. I'm sure. Right the headlines with

1869
01:34:09,053 --> 01:34:10,973
Speaker 3: Raylene coming up, then taking more of your calls OZ

1870
01:34:10,973 --> 01:34:13,253
Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty ten eighty if you're an organ

1871
01:34:13,293 --> 01:34:16,372
Speaker 3: DONA recipient, can to hear your story? Beg very surely.

1872
01:34:19,093 --> 01:34:22,772
Speaker 14: Duce talks at the headlines with Blue Bubble taxis it's

1873
01:34:22,893 --> 01:34:26,013
Speaker 14: no trouble with a blue bubble. The Police Commissioner has

1874
01:34:26,053 --> 01:34:29,612
Speaker 14: revealed a target of achieving eighty percent public trust and

1875
01:34:29,732 --> 01:34:33,613
Speaker 14: confidence in police after the scandal over former Deputy Commissioner

1876
01:34:33,692 --> 01:34:39,812
Speaker 14: Jevin mc skimming, including senior staff inadequately investigating complaints. Meantime,

1877
01:34:39,853 --> 01:34:44,012
Speaker 14: the Public Service Commissioner is promising investigating the police head

1878
01:34:44,133 --> 01:34:47,132
Speaker 14: at the time is being done as quickly as possible.

1879
01:34:48,133 --> 01:34:51,412
Speaker 14: A review by the Auditor General of the annual Audit

1880
01:34:51,612 --> 01:34:54,932
Speaker 14: of the im Hope Charity has found the contracts being

1881
01:34:55,013 --> 01:35:00,293
Speaker 14: managed appropriately. The National Cyber Security Centers pushing businesses to

1882
01:35:00,412 --> 01:35:04,333
Speaker 14: bolster themselves against cyber criminals. It had more than thirteen

1883
01:35:04,412 --> 01:35:07,772
Speaker 14: hundred reports of security incidents in the year to June.

1884
01:35:08,333 --> 01:35:13,652
Speaker 14: That's more than three hundreds. Nationally significant councils are keeping

1885
01:35:13,732 --> 01:35:16,973
Speaker 14: up with new building inspection targets sixty six out of

1886
01:35:17,013 --> 01:35:22,092
Speaker 14: sixty seven, completing eighty percent within three working days. Ham

1887
01:35:22,213 --> 01:35:26,973
Speaker 14: Turkey Brandy Cranberry's would you Swap Christmas Dinner for a

1888
01:35:27,013 --> 01:35:30,852
Speaker 14: festive Sausage? Back to Mattheath and Tyler Adams. You can

1889
01:35:30,853 --> 01:35:33,212
Speaker 14: find out more about that story at in said Harold Premium.

1890
01:35:33,253 --> 01:35:35,173
Speaker 3: By the way, sounds pretty good, Raylene. I'll give it

1891
01:35:35,173 --> 01:35:36,852
Speaker 3: a try. I think I'll read the story first, but

1892
01:35:36,893 --> 01:35:40,652
Speaker 3: thank you very much back to our discussion about organ donation.

1893
01:35:40,853 --> 01:35:42,812
Speaker 3: Love to hear your story on eight hundred and eighty

1894
01:35:42,893 --> 01:35:45,892
Speaker 3: ten eighty if you've been a donor or recipient, really

1895
01:35:45,973 --> 01:35:48,652
Speaker 3: keen to hear from you. Nine two ninety two is

1896
01:35:48,692 --> 01:35:51,933
Speaker 3: the text number is? Well, Linda, you've been a recipient?

1897
01:35:53,293 --> 01:35:53,812
Speaker 15: Yes, I have.

1898
01:35:54,812 --> 01:35:56,492
Speaker 19: I received a kidneye.

1899
01:35:57,772 --> 01:36:00,093
Speaker 2: How long ago was that? Nine years ago?

1900
01:36:01,093 --> 01:36:01,333
Speaker 4: Yep?

1901
01:36:02,013 --> 01:36:03,532
Speaker 3: And what was the circumstance, Linda.

1902
01:36:05,692 --> 01:36:10,732
Speaker 19: I actually discovered that when I was pregnant with my son.

1903
01:36:10,812 --> 01:36:15,732
Speaker 19: We discovered that something wasn't right, and that a few

1904
01:36:15,812 --> 01:36:18,972
Speaker 19: it took them a few years actually to work out

1905
01:36:19,013 --> 01:36:22,173
Speaker 19: that I had kidney disease after doing all the tests

1906
01:36:22,173 --> 01:36:22,772
Speaker 19: and everything.

1907
01:36:24,093 --> 01:36:24,412
Speaker 24: Wow.

1908
01:36:24,612 --> 01:36:28,492
Speaker 3: And so when the time came that you needed a transplant?

1909
01:36:28,612 --> 01:36:30,892
Speaker 3: What how long did you have to wait? What was

1910
01:36:30,933 --> 01:36:31,732
Speaker 3: that process like?

1911
01:36:33,053 --> 01:36:34,172
Speaker 26: It was a few years.

1912
01:36:34,253 --> 01:36:39,173
Speaker 19: And then I did dialysis, so I was very lucky

1913
01:36:39,293 --> 01:36:42,532
Speaker 19: and that I had the machine beside my bed, so

1914
01:36:42,732 --> 01:36:44,772
Speaker 19: I had a catheter in my stomach and I just

1915
01:36:44,812 --> 01:36:47,652
Speaker 19: would hook up each night for seven hours.

1916
01:36:48,412 --> 01:36:48,812
Speaker 21: Wow.

1917
01:36:48,973 --> 01:36:50,892
Speaker 19: And then I would wake up in the morning, have

1918
01:36:50,973 --> 01:36:53,812
Speaker 19: a shower, get dressed, drop my son at school, and

1919
01:36:53,853 --> 01:36:54,372
Speaker 19: go to work.

1920
01:36:55,053 --> 01:36:57,732
Speaker 2: And what did it feel like when you went from

1921
01:36:57,853 --> 01:37:01,452
Speaker 2: the machine to actually having a donated kidney, and you

1922
01:37:01,732 --> 01:37:04,612
Speaker 2: how did that change your life? And how did that feel?

1923
01:37:05,133 --> 01:37:10,133
Speaker 19: Much amazing amazingly much better, more energy and like that

1924
01:37:10,213 --> 01:37:13,813
Speaker 19: other laga shed earlier, a lot more color in my cheeks,

1925
01:37:14,213 --> 01:37:17,652
Speaker 19: everything like that. And yeah, I'm on about I'm on

1926
01:37:17,732 --> 01:37:22,452
Speaker 19: about fifteen pools a day of anti rejection. So I've

1927
01:37:22,532 --> 01:37:23,452
Speaker 19: just got to keep those up.

1928
01:37:23,933 --> 01:37:25,452
Speaker 3: You take them all at once or you have to

1929
01:37:25,492 --> 01:37:26,173
Speaker 3: stagger that, do.

1930
01:37:26,173 --> 01:37:29,572
Speaker 19: You no, summer in the morning and summer at night,

1931
01:37:31,173 --> 01:37:31,732
Speaker 19: all at once.

1932
01:37:32,253 --> 01:37:33,932
Speaker 3: I have done more pills in that at once, set

1933
01:37:34,572 --> 01:37:35,173
Speaker 3: legal pills.

1934
01:37:38,053 --> 01:37:40,173
Speaker 2: We just go back. You've done more than that at once.

1935
01:37:40,572 --> 01:37:40,772
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1936
01:37:40,772 --> 01:37:44,692
Speaker 2: Anyway, Yeah, there's a question for another topic now, London.

1937
01:37:44,973 --> 01:37:47,172
Speaker 2: What are the side effects from from the anti rediction

1938
01:37:47,612 --> 01:37:49,813
Speaker 2: rejection pills?

1939
01:37:50,213 --> 01:37:50,772
Speaker 9: I haven't.

1940
01:37:50,812 --> 01:37:51,812
Speaker 15: I've been very lucky.

1941
01:37:51,973 --> 01:37:56,293
Speaker 19: Actually, I haven't had a lot of side effects or anything.

1942
01:37:56,372 --> 01:37:59,172
Speaker 19: So yeah, I've been quite lucky in that regard.

1943
01:37:59,853 --> 01:38:04,173
Speaker 2: And you don't know where your your transplant came from,

1944
01:38:04,173 --> 01:38:05,412
Speaker 2: who it came from, do you, Linda?

1945
01:38:06,412 --> 01:38:06,492
Speaker 24: No?

1946
01:38:06,893 --> 01:38:10,173
Speaker 19: I had a yeah what they call a j stoner yep.

1947
01:38:10,692 --> 01:38:13,293
Speaker 19: So I just got a phone call one like you

1948
01:38:13,372 --> 01:38:18,412
Speaker 19: go onto a list, onto the transplant list, and you've

1949
01:38:18,452 --> 01:38:21,293
Speaker 19: got to stay healthy and stay on that list. And

1950
01:38:21,372 --> 01:38:24,133
Speaker 19: then you just wait and I'll never forget the day

1951
01:38:24,692 --> 01:38:28,052
Speaker 19: I got that phone call. Yeah, we've got your kidney.

1952
01:38:28,133 --> 01:38:30,213
Speaker 19: Come now, you literally.

1953
01:38:30,293 --> 01:38:31,212
Speaker 21: You drop everything.

1954
01:38:31,253 --> 01:38:33,692
Speaker 19: I was at work and you drop everything, and you

1955
01:38:33,853 --> 01:38:35,253
Speaker 19: just don't ask questions.

1956
01:38:35,293 --> 01:38:37,652
Speaker 3: You just go that quick so straight to the hospital.

1957
01:38:37,652 --> 01:38:40,293
Speaker 3: When in the process starts wow, yep.

1958
01:38:40,412 --> 01:38:43,972
Speaker 19: My dad, my dad picked a bag for me. They come,

1959
01:38:44,013 --> 01:38:45,652
Speaker 19: Mom and Dad come pick me up and we drove

1960
01:38:45,692 --> 01:38:46,612
Speaker 19: straight to the hospital.

1961
01:38:47,572 --> 01:38:52,053
Speaker 2: And do you think about the donor much London? I mean,

1962
01:38:52,053 --> 01:38:54,133
Speaker 2: you don't know anything about it, but you know, you've

1963
01:38:54,133 --> 01:38:54,772
Speaker 2: got this kidney.

1964
01:38:54,772 --> 01:38:57,372
Speaker 19: And I believe it was a lady that was killed

1965
01:38:57,372 --> 01:38:58,293
Speaker 19: in a car accident.

1966
01:38:59,532 --> 01:39:01,173
Speaker 2: Do you believe that? Just you feel that or you

1967
01:39:01,933 --> 01:39:02,532
Speaker 2: have some.

1968
01:39:02,412 --> 01:39:06,773
Speaker 19: Information they were told me at the time at the hospital.

1969
01:39:06,812 --> 01:39:08,492
Speaker 19: But that was like a long time go.

1970
01:39:08,612 --> 01:39:08,812
Speaker 21: Now.

1971
01:39:09,213 --> 01:39:14,572
Speaker 19: It did take me three years to write the letter, yep.

1972
01:39:15,452 --> 01:39:19,093
Speaker 19: And I've never heard back from them. And my letter

1973
01:39:19,133 --> 01:39:21,572
Speaker 19: was about five pages long because I was like, I

1974
01:39:21,612 --> 01:39:23,852
Speaker 19: don't I didn't know what they wanted to know and

1975
01:39:23,853 --> 01:39:27,213
Speaker 19: what they didn't want to know. Yeah, I'm very hard

1976
01:39:27,253 --> 01:39:29,173
Speaker 19: writing that letter, bet.

1977
01:39:29,293 --> 01:39:31,333
Speaker 2: But even if they haven't replied. I bet it meant

1978
01:39:31,372 --> 01:39:32,892
Speaker 2: a lot to them. I mean, can you mention how

1979
01:39:32,893 --> 01:39:34,892
Speaker 2: hard how hard it is for you to write the letter,

1980
01:39:35,412 --> 01:39:37,652
Speaker 2: how hard it would be for them to reply to

1981
01:39:37,652 --> 01:39:39,812
Speaker 2: the leader, you know what I mean. So I'm sure

1982
01:39:39,853 --> 01:39:41,732
Speaker 2: that letter, I'm sure that let them meant a lot

1983
01:39:41,772 --> 01:39:42,973
Speaker 2: to them.

1984
01:39:42,253 --> 01:39:43,412
Speaker 21: Yeah.

1985
01:39:43,532 --> 01:39:43,852
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1986
01:39:43,893 --> 01:39:49,253
Speaker 2: And so you've had this transplant for nine years. Is

1987
01:39:49,293 --> 01:39:51,492
Speaker 2: it all going well? Is their talk that you might

1988
01:39:51,532 --> 01:39:53,652
Speaker 2: need another one at some point or are you good

1989
01:39:53,652 --> 01:39:54,452
Speaker 2: for quite some time?

1990
01:39:55,412 --> 01:39:56,012
Speaker 21: I'm all good.

1991
01:39:56,133 --> 01:40:00,053
Speaker 19: I have a check up every six months with the

1992
01:40:00,133 --> 01:40:04,693
Speaker 19: kidney doctors who are fantastic, and I have my transplant

1993
01:40:04,732 --> 01:40:08,852
Speaker 19: at christ Church Hospital and the team there are really

1994
01:40:08,893 --> 01:40:13,452
Speaker 19: really good. And yeah, but it's it's like a piece

1995
01:40:13,452 --> 01:40:16,732
Speaker 19: of string if you don't know how long it's gonna last,

1996
01:40:16,812 --> 01:40:18,493
Speaker 19: Like didn't want to maybe say thirty.

1997
01:40:18,293 --> 01:40:18,892
Speaker 26: Years or something.

1998
01:40:19,013 --> 01:40:23,172
Speaker 2: Yeah, we had thirty four years from from a caller's

1999
01:40:23,213 --> 01:40:25,293
Speaker 2: wife had thirty four years with yours.

2000
01:40:25,732 --> 01:40:29,532
Speaker 19: Yeah, so I've got fifteen to go. But you just

2001
01:40:29,572 --> 01:40:31,293
Speaker 19: don't know. It might pop tomorrow, I do, you know

2002
01:40:31,333 --> 01:40:32,412
Speaker 19: what I mean? You just don't know.

2003
01:40:33,412 --> 01:40:35,812
Speaker 3: Well, so glad that it's worked out so well for you, Linda.

2004
01:40:36,213 --> 01:40:38,213
Speaker 3: Our final question just on the compatibility.

2005
01:40:38,293 --> 01:40:38,612
Speaker 18: Is there.

2006
01:40:38,732 --> 01:40:41,773
Speaker 3: Is it purely down to blood type or is imagine

2007
01:40:41,812 --> 01:40:42,933
Speaker 3: there's a bit more that goes into it.

2008
01:40:43,013 --> 01:40:43,293
Speaker 21: Is there?

2009
01:40:43,853 --> 01:40:46,892
Speaker 19: I I'm not one hundred percent, but they talk about

2010
01:40:46,973 --> 01:40:50,333
Speaker 19: being a match. I don't think it's just blood type.

2011
01:40:50,333 --> 01:40:51,772
Speaker 19: I think it's tissue as well.

2012
01:40:52,053 --> 01:40:54,612
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, fascinating and good good news.

2013
01:40:54,732 --> 01:40:58,692
Speaker 19: And did you know actually I've got three kidney so

2014
01:40:58,772 --> 01:40:59,973
Speaker 19: they just put the new one in.

2015
01:41:00,412 --> 01:41:03,452
Speaker 2: Ah right, ah right, So they just unplug it and

2016
01:41:03,612 --> 01:41:04,133
Speaker 2: leave it there.

2017
01:41:05,372 --> 01:41:07,932
Speaker 19: Yeah, so I've got the other to my original foes

2018
01:41:08,013 --> 01:41:11,052
Speaker 19: just push the still there.

2019
01:41:11,293 --> 01:41:14,972
Speaker 2: Wow. Interesting. Hey, I've got good news for you. Thirty

2020
01:41:15,013 --> 01:41:18,412
Speaker 2: four minus nine is twenty five, so you've potentially got

2021
01:41:18,412 --> 01:41:19,612
Speaker 2: a quarter century out of that one.

2022
01:41:21,772 --> 01:41:22,213
Speaker 26: Oh cool.

2023
01:41:22,572 --> 01:41:25,572
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's all there is to say about that. It's

2024
01:41:25,612 --> 01:41:26,612
Speaker 3: good Newsand thank you.

2025
01:41:26,532 --> 01:41:28,452
Speaker 2: So much for you Colander. Thanks for sharing that story.

2026
01:41:28,452 --> 01:41:30,852
Speaker 3: Fantastic What a great call. Oh eight hundred eighty ten

2027
01:41:30,893 --> 01:41:32,732
Speaker 3: eighty is the number to call if you've been an

2028
01:41:32,812 --> 01:41:36,013
Speaker 3: organ donator, donor you've received an organ. Come on through.

2029
01:41:36,053 --> 01:41:37,293
Speaker 3: It's twenty one to four.

2030
01:41:38,652 --> 01:41:42,052
Speaker 1: Your home of afternoon Talk mad He then Taylor Adams

2031
01:41:42,093 --> 01:41:45,772
Speaker 1: Afternoons call Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty news talk.

2032
01:41:45,692 --> 01:41:48,932
Speaker 3: There'd be eighteen to four. We're talking about organ donation

2033
01:41:49,173 --> 01:41:52,732
Speaker 3: in New Zealand. If you've been a recipient of an

2034
01:41:52,853 --> 01:41:55,213
Speaker 3: organ or you've been a part of that process, really

2035
01:41:55,213 --> 01:41:55,893
Speaker 3: can ever chat with you?

2036
01:41:55,933 --> 01:41:56,013
Speaker 10: Oh?

2037
01:41:56,013 --> 01:41:59,812
Speaker 3: One hundred eighty ten eighty is that number? Jane? How

2038
01:41:59,853 --> 01:42:00,612
Speaker 3: are you hello?

2039
01:42:01,732 --> 01:42:03,972
Speaker 26: I'm nervous now, Well.

2040
01:42:03,812 --> 01:42:06,092
Speaker 3: No need to be nervous, it's just us Jane.

2041
01:42:06,933 --> 01:42:12,213
Speaker 26: That's all right. My husband was in a work accident

2042
01:42:12,692 --> 01:42:18,572
Speaker 26: thirty years ago and was in hospital for four days

2043
01:42:18,612 --> 01:42:26,532
Speaker 26: before they took organs from him. And you go to

2044
01:42:26,652 --> 01:42:28,333
Speaker 26: fund shaking at the moment, Well.

2045
01:42:28,253 --> 01:42:30,173
Speaker 3: I was just going to say, I'm so sorry. You

2046
01:42:30,213 --> 01:42:32,852
Speaker 3: know that that happened to you, Jane, and obviously to

2047
01:42:32,893 --> 01:42:39,053
Speaker 3: your husband. And so when that process started, what did

2048
01:42:39,093 --> 01:42:41,253
Speaker 3: they say to you? Did they said to you that

2049
01:42:41,572 --> 01:42:43,532
Speaker 3: this was important to your husband or how did that

2050
01:42:43,572 --> 01:42:44,412
Speaker 3: conversation work?

2051
01:42:47,133 --> 01:42:53,173
Speaker 26: When I was told, like, he went into hospital one

2052
01:42:53,293 --> 01:42:57,412
Speaker 26: day and then towards the end of the following day

2053
01:42:57,532 --> 01:43:03,532
Speaker 26: they told me that he did have serious head injury.

2054
01:43:03,973 --> 01:43:08,293
Speaker 26: And I mean, if you saw him, he only had

2055
01:43:08,452 --> 01:43:12,532
Speaker 26: cut on his side of his on his arm, and

2056
01:43:13,933 --> 01:43:18,012
Speaker 26: so I was told that, you know, the next few

2057
01:43:18,652 --> 01:43:22,812
Speaker 26: next day or so would be a serving time and

2058
01:43:23,093 --> 01:43:27,333
Speaker 26: they were very caring. And I was approached on the

2059
01:43:27,372 --> 01:43:35,132
Speaker 26: Thursday by the transport coordinator saying that were we aware

2060
01:43:35,253 --> 01:43:39,333
Speaker 26: of transplant, which both my husband and I had it

2061
01:43:39,372 --> 01:43:47,732
Speaker 26: on a driving license and we so I talked to

2062
01:43:47,853 --> 01:43:51,812
Speaker 26: them and it wasn't until the Friday they did the

2063
01:43:51,893 --> 01:43:56,133
Speaker 26: brain death test on him and that has to be

2064
01:43:56,213 --> 01:44:01,452
Speaker 26: done twice before if they can retrieve any organs. So

2065
01:44:01,532 --> 01:44:05,013
Speaker 26: it's quite a proceedure you had to go through. So

2066
01:44:06,253 --> 01:44:09,293
Speaker 26: I have become quite passionate about it in the sense

2067
01:44:09,452 --> 01:44:12,692
Speaker 26: that I worked for a nurse in the school and

2068
01:44:12,732 --> 01:44:17,012
Speaker 26: I went and talked to all the critical care nurses

2069
01:44:17,812 --> 01:44:22,452
Speaker 26: in the hospitals about being a relative of someone who

2070
01:44:22,572 --> 01:44:26,572
Speaker 26: was donating their organs, so on how to treat how

2071
01:44:26,612 --> 01:44:32,132
Speaker 26: to treat us because where as fragile as who's dying,

2072
01:44:32,973 --> 01:44:37,492
Speaker 26: and being called by your personally not being called missus

2073
01:44:37,492 --> 01:44:42,333
Speaker 26: so and so those things were quite important to me.

2074
01:44:42,652 --> 01:44:46,692
Speaker 2: So, I mean, it's the hardest, hardest time. You're going

2075
01:44:46,692 --> 01:44:49,293
Speaker 2: through a lot. And I guess this is this is

2076
01:44:49,333 --> 01:44:52,012
Speaker 2: why you know a lot of families don't go through

2077
01:44:52,133 --> 01:44:55,053
Speaker 2: you know, go through it even if their loved one

2078
01:44:55,093 --> 01:44:58,612
Speaker 2: has the name there because it's not there's so much

2079
01:44:58,612 --> 01:45:02,253
Speaker 2: else going on in your mind at that time. I

2080
01:45:02,293 --> 01:45:08,532
Speaker 2: can imagine so very brave of you too to give

2081
01:45:08,572 --> 01:45:10,293
Speaker 2: permission at that time.

2082
01:45:10,372 --> 01:45:12,812
Speaker 6: Jane, it was it was.

2083
01:45:14,732 --> 01:45:16,412
Speaker 26: If I look back on it now, it was a

2084
01:45:16,532 --> 01:45:21,612
Speaker 26: very interesting process because obviously none of us know until

2085
01:45:21,612 --> 01:45:25,412
Speaker 26: you're in that situation how it goes. And I have

2086
01:45:25,572 --> 01:45:29,653
Speaker 26: to say that thirty years ago, so things have changed

2087
01:45:29,692 --> 01:45:35,652
Speaker 26: so much. When my husband we donated it all, he

2088
01:45:35,853 --> 01:45:39,293
Speaker 26: donated his liver and had to be flown to Australia,

2089
01:45:40,093 --> 01:45:42,972
Speaker 26: so it was before they actually were doing the liver

2090
01:45:43,093 --> 01:45:49,973
Speaker 26: tranfer plants here, so that was an unknown and just

2091
01:45:50,053 --> 01:45:54,852
Speaker 26: being you literally sign off on each organ. I didn't

2092
01:45:54,893 --> 01:45:59,372
Speaker 26: know at the time that they could donate the thigh bone,

2093
01:45:59,893 --> 01:46:02,692
Speaker 26: so I didn't know about that. So I had to

2094
01:46:02,772 --> 01:46:06,333
Speaker 26: say no because I felt we hadn't talked about it.

2095
01:46:06,732 --> 01:46:07,692
Speaker 23: If you're not to me.

2096
01:46:09,213 --> 01:46:13,652
Speaker 26: And you do get updated about those people, oh.

2097
01:46:13,572 --> 01:46:16,253
Speaker 2: You do you get you get updated about the people,

2098
01:46:16,732 --> 01:46:17,572
Speaker 2: all the all of.

2099
01:46:17,492 --> 01:46:21,973
Speaker 26: Us about Yeah, I know that a lady in Brisbane

2100
01:46:22,173 --> 01:46:27,133
Speaker 26: or in Brisbane hospital got got his lever. I know

2101
01:46:27,253 --> 01:46:30,732
Speaker 26: there were two kidneys that went to two different people

2102
01:46:31,652 --> 01:46:36,092
Speaker 26: and one of those has died, and I just wanted

2103
01:46:36,133 --> 01:46:39,652
Speaker 26: to make sure it wasn't the kidney that killed the person,

2104
01:46:41,093 --> 01:46:43,333
Speaker 26: if you know what I mean. It was like reassuring

2105
01:46:43,372 --> 01:46:48,492
Speaker 26: myself that wasn't my husband's talking. Let the person down speaking,

2106
01:46:48,732 --> 01:46:50,213
Speaker 26: people understand.

2107
01:46:49,692 --> 01:46:54,053
Speaker 2: That, Yeah I can. I mean, you know, an incredible

2108
01:46:54,053 --> 01:46:56,492
Speaker 2: thing that that that you he has done and you

2109
01:46:56,492 --> 01:46:58,852
Speaker 2: you have done, and his family have done. So there's

2110
01:46:58,893 --> 01:47:01,652
Speaker 2: no way they could be any blame portion there, of course,

2111
01:47:02,093 --> 01:47:02,692
Speaker 2: But did.

2112
01:47:02,612 --> 01:47:04,333
Speaker 26: You go and do feel guilty?

2113
01:47:05,013 --> 01:47:05,213
Speaker 6: Yeah?

2114
01:47:06,253 --> 01:47:11,612
Speaker 2: Is there is the I don't know, comfort in knowing

2115
01:47:11,652 --> 01:47:15,452
Speaker 2: that this tragedy has helped a lot of people. Is

2116
01:47:15,452 --> 01:47:17,333
Speaker 2: this something that you can hold on to in your

2117
01:47:17,333 --> 01:47:17,973
Speaker 2: heart from all this?

2118
01:47:19,053 --> 01:47:19,253
Speaker 6: Well?

2119
01:47:19,293 --> 01:47:22,492
Speaker 26: It does. I got a lovely letter from the latter

2120
01:47:22,532 --> 01:47:25,892
Speaker 26: who got his lever and when I signed for now,

2121
01:47:25,973 --> 01:47:28,973
Speaker 26: I said, oh, you know he used to enjoy his

2122
01:47:29,133 --> 01:47:31,852
Speaker 26: beer and red wine. Is his liberal right to give

2123
01:47:31,973 --> 01:47:36,093
Speaker 26: to someone? And they said, oh yeah, perfectly good. And

2124
01:47:36,333 --> 01:47:39,572
Speaker 26: they do a lot of testing. The thought of twenty

2125
01:47:39,652 --> 01:47:45,412
Speaker 26: four hours previous to him actually been in a sense

2126
01:47:45,933 --> 01:47:49,892
Speaker 26: put up the donation. They do lots of tests because

2127
01:47:49,893 --> 01:47:53,533
Speaker 26: you have to be even though he wasn't breathing himself,

2128
01:47:53,532 --> 01:47:59,972
Speaker 26: he was on a machine there they have to be breathing,

2129
01:48:00,772 --> 01:48:03,772
Speaker 26: so the you know, the blood, the pumping around the pelta.

2130
01:48:04,173 --> 01:48:06,812
Speaker 20: So yeah, it was a.

2131
01:48:08,652 --> 01:48:10,612
Speaker 26: Very strange time.

2132
01:48:11,093 --> 01:48:13,252
Speaker 2: I can only I mean, it's impossible looking.

2133
01:48:13,133 --> 01:48:16,772
Speaker 26: At but in the critical care and I think it

2134
01:48:16,812 --> 01:48:23,692
Speaker 26: was in the old hospital seeing pars driving passed and

2135
01:48:23,772 --> 01:48:30,293
Speaker 26: thinking why is everyone carrying on? Do they know? I'm yeah, boyd.

2136
01:48:31,812 --> 01:48:36,133
Speaker 2: It's impossible to imagine if you haven't been there. Yeah,

2137
01:48:36,213 --> 01:48:40,012
Speaker 2: And to go back a little bit, you said that

2138
01:48:40,013 --> 01:48:42,852
Speaker 2: that the way they approached you back then, you don't

2139
01:48:42,973 --> 01:48:46,812
Speaker 2: think was you know, the most helpful way. And you said,

2140
01:48:46,812 --> 01:48:49,012
Speaker 2: that's changed a little bit. How's the way they approached

2141
01:48:49,013 --> 01:48:51,773
Speaker 2: people in that And that incredibly challenging situation.

2142
01:48:51,492 --> 01:48:56,013
Speaker 26: Changed, I think because when I was there allowing the

2143
01:48:56,173 --> 01:49:00,492
Speaker 26: time to span, you were you were, you were misses

2144
01:49:00,612 --> 01:49:04,133
Speaker 26: so and so, and I said, my name's changed and

2145
01:49:04,213 --> 01:49:07,173
Speaker 26: you called me that. Yeah, you know, it made it

2146
01:49:07,253 --> 01:49:11,093
Speaker 26: a little bit more gener to them. And when I

2147
01:49:11,213 --> 01:49:13,852
Speaker 26: went to talk to critical keen nurses and that sort

2148
01:49:13,853 --> 01:49:19,852
Speaker 26: of thing. That was one thing I emphasized that you

2149
01:49:19,973 --> 01:49:25,013
Speaker 26: were suddenly air in this closed environment where you had

2150
01:49:25,053 --> 01:49:27,972
Speaker 26: to go out when the doctors are examining your husband,

2151
01:49:28,293 --> 01:49:32,452
Speaker 26: and then go back in you know, when the machines

2152
01:49:32,572 --> 01:49:38,572
Speaker 26: go mad, and so it's quite a precious time and

2153
01:49:38,652 --> 01:49:40,692
Speaker 26: you don't want to be away from them longer than

2154
01:49:40,732 --> 01:49:45,012
Speaker 26: you have to. Yes, I had two granddaughters at the time,

2155
01:49:45,293 --> 01:49:50,372
Speaker 26: one was seven and one was three, and the nurse

2156
01:49:50,572 --> 01:49:54,133
Speaker 26: took each of them in separately on her own and

2157
01:49:54,253 --> 01:49:58,213
Speaker 26: just explained what was happening to their proper because to me,

2158
01:49:59,933 --> 01:50:03,933
Speaker 26: it was very important for me for them to understand

2159
01:50:04,492 --> 01:50:06,293
Speaker 26: without me being too emotional.

2160
01:50:08,333 --> 01:50:11,812
Speaker 2: And Jane, and incredible what you and your husband have

2161
01:50:11,853 --> 01:50:14,892
Speaker 2: done for so many, so many people, and you know,

2162
01:50:15,492 --> 01:50:18,412
Speaker 2: ringing one hundred and eighteen eighty and explaining that situation

2163
01:50:18,412 --> 01:50:20,972
Speaker 2: to other people as well, I think will help even

2164
01:50:21,013 --> 01:50:23,692
Speaker 2: more people. So an incredible story and thank you so much,

2165
01:50:24,133 --> 01:50:25,532
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for sharing that with us.

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Speaker 26: Yeah, John was obviously intubated, and they she said, my

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Speaker 26: papa doesn't smoke, so it was them trying to understand

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Speaker 26: what was happening. She explained to them very calmly that

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Speaker 26: that was helping him breathe and store and things like that,

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Speaker 26: making it slightly highter for those children.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Jane, thank you again for sharing your story. It

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Speaker 3: is eight minutes to four back very shortly. You're listening

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Speaker 3: to Matton Tyler.

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Afternoons used talks,

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Speaker 1: it be.

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Speaker 3: News Talks, it be. It is six to four. So

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Speaker 3: if you are interested in registering as an organ donator,

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Speaker 3: what you need to do is have a conversation with

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Speaker 3: your close family or those people who would be contacted

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Speaker 3: in the event of your death. That's important as those

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Speaker 3: people will be asked about your wishes to be an

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Speaker 3: organ donor. Organ and tissues that can be donated in

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Speaker 3: New Zealand, depending on your age and medical history, are

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Speaker 3: your heart or heart valves, lungs, liver, kidney, pancreas, eyes

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Speaker 3: and skin. But if you want more information, just go

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Speaker 3: to donut dot co dot in ZED.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: That call from Jane and all the others over the

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Speaker 2: of the last few hours amazing stuff. And you know,

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Speaker 2: I'm already a donator, but I'll be I'll be talking

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Speaker 2: to my family and saying, you know, that's make it

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Speaker 2: clear my wishes. Yeah, because just having donator on your

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Speaker 2: license doesn't mean anything. You know, you need to you

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Speaker 2: need to make it clear what you want from your family. Hey,

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Speaker 2: thank you so much for listening everyone. As always, we

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Speaker 2: love the chats today. Here the Duper c Ellen is

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Speaker 2: up next, Tyler. Why am I playing this song here again?

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Speaker 3: And this pains me to say, but I've got no idea.

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Speaker 3: What is the song? I like the sound all Oh,

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Speaker 3: that's got a hell of a hook.

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Speaker 2: Tyler, my good friend. This is Art for Art's Sake

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Speaker 2: by ten C C. And it's because earlier in the

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Speaker 2: show I was saying that sometimes whilst we want our

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Speaker 2: rates to stay low, there is something to be said

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Speaker 2: for art for art sakes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, message received. I was a bit of an art hater,

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Speaker 3: but arts for heart's sake sometimes it makes sense.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's the little flutters that councils have

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Speaker 2: on art that are lying out the rates. I think

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Speaker 2: it's the massive inefficiencies across everything else.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, good pack mate, I'm lucking this tune very good.

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Speaker 2: You seem busy. Will let you go until tomorrow afternoon.

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Speaker 2: Give me a taste of a Kiwi from Tyler.

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Speaker 24: And I, Madam Tyler Tyler.

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