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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Teams podcast

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Speaker 1: from News Talks.

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Speaker 2: There'd be how sustainability commentator Kate Hall is focusing on

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Speaker 2: a bit of a curious subject this weekend, sustainable pet ownership,

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Speaker 2: and Kate's with us this morning, Kilder.

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Speaker 3: Good morning.

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Speaker 4: Do you know at first, Blush, I would have thought

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Speaker 4: that being a pet owner having a pet isn't a

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Speaker 4: very sustainable thing to do.

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Speaker 3: Mama, right, you are right, depending on how you do it, right,

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Speaker 3: it's just fight with everything. Yeah, it depends on how

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Speaker 3: you're going to manage their care, how you know where

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Speaker 3: you going to buy things from, and also depends on

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Speaker 3: what type of lifestyle you have and where you live

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Speaker 3: in the world. Yes, the nuanced complex thing. I have

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Speaker 3: written a blog before called why you Shouldn't own a pet?

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Speaker 4: Do you own a pet?

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Speaker 3: I currently have a Coca tile who lives somewhere out

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Speaker 3: with someone else, and I would never recommend anyone to

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Speaker 3: get a bird. Yeah, yeah, he's eighteen years old.

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Speaker 4: Oh my gosh. Yeah, but don't like some parents live

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Speaker 4: till they're like fifty, don't yees.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, he's a cockataile. So their average life then

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Speaker 3: is around twenty to twenty five.

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Speaker 4: So, oh my gosh, it's a real commitment.

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Speaker 3: With me over half yeah, well over half my oh

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Speaker 3: my life. So I love, I adore animals like they're

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Speaker 3: a huge part of my life. But I think there's

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Speaker 3: different ways that we need to really focus on, not

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Speaker 3: just thinking about the waste that they produce, but also

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Speaker 3: just are we to get up to have an animal

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Speaker 3: and for it to thrive because we just overlooked the

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Speaker 3: opportunity to do things like dog share and you know,

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Speaker 3: like kind of share animals and gives them a much

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Speaker 3: bit of life rather than them staying at home for

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Speaker 3: in an apartment.

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Speaker 4: Yeah that's a very good Okay, So let's talk through

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Speaker 4: some of your top tips for sustainable pet ownership. Number

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Speaker 4: one choosing pet food.

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Speaker 3: Yes, so not all pet food is created equally obviously,

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Speaker 3: so consider brands that use things like the buy products

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Speaker 3: of the animal or just general sustainable protein sources. When

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Speaker 3: I had a dog, I said him feed my Third Baby,

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Speaker 3: which is a really great New Zealand brand, and that's

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Speaker 3: what I found to be the most sustainable option here

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Speaker 3: in New Zealand. I'm not so sure about that, but

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Speaker 3: even asking you can ask your vet. I mean, my

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Speaker 3: dad is a very sustainable vet' he's a good one

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Speaker 3: to talk to. But if you ask those questions, they

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Speaker 3: should be able to answer them because you know they're

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Speaker 3: you're a customer and you're able to ask those things.

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Speaker 3: So thinking about what you give them. I know that

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Speaker 3: one of my friends has a little griffin, and the

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Speaker 3: griffin basically eats a whole lot of possum meat from

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Speaker 3: the possums that are caught in the wild forest.

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Speaker 4: So that's quite a good idea. Yeah, I mean not

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Speaker 4: even we'll be able to do it. Yeah, that is

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Speaker 4: quite a good idea. Okay, I know that before you

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Speaker 4: have surprised and delighted us with your description for what

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Speaker 4: you do with dog poop, which involves a jar, which

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Speaker 4: is very eco friendly. But if we're one hundred percent honest,

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Speaker 4: probably a bit further than most people will go. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: so what else can you do?

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Speaker 3: So reusing things like if you have a bread bag,

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Speaker 3: you know it's pastic bread bags or chip packers or

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Speaker 3: something like that, If that's already going in the bin,

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Speaker 3: then using that as a great solution. Also, you know

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Speaker 3: free it's rubbish. You can do things like a hole

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Speaker 3: in your garden if you do have a garden, and

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Speaker 3: use that kind of as a little dog poop compost

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Speaker 3: so that you're not just putting a whole od of

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Speaker 3: poop in the bin, which is not ideal. My mum

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Speaker 3: uses compostible dog poop bags, but she double uses them,

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Speaker 3: so she kind of gets a lot of use out

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Speaker 4: So she doesn't double bag. She uses them once and

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Speaker 4: then she uses them again.

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Speaker 3: So when I when I know that there's a bag,

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Speaker 3: I always have to ask her is this son being used?

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Speaker 3: So I don't use the wrong side.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I was going to say that it feels like

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Speaker 4: it's dangerous territory.

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Speaker 3: But she does it very well and very hygenically, and

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Speaker 3: so I think that's awesome too, because simple things like

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Speaker 3: that mean that you're just you know, you can have

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Speaker 4: You want to make sure if you your mum, don't

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Speaker 4: you that you're not there's not too much of a

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Speaker 4: break between drinks because because because you know, they start

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Speaker 4: to compost quite quickly the moment they're exposed to moisture

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Speaker 4: are they start to compost quite quick And I feel

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Speaker 4: like that's, yeah, that's your mom's a.

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Speaker 3: Break than I would do walking twice a day unbeet.

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Speaker 4: Yeah right, okay, yeah, and the breed bag is a

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Speaker 4: good one. My dad walks a dog and this is

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Speaker 4: going to be a disgusting need limits for everyone, but

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Speaker 4: he loves to get a breed bag out scoop up

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Speaker 4: whatever needs to scoop up, and then he ties it

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Speaker 4: to the back of his backpack as he walks, and

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Speaker 4: so as he sort of tries from side to side,

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Speaker 4: it swings as he's walking, which is just like absolutely

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Speaker 4: disgusting and so embarrassing as kids, but very sustainable, you know,

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Speaker 4: yeah it is.

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Speaker 3: It's brilliant. We should all be more like them.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, anyway, what about like crates and clothes and coats

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Speaker 4: for dogs, little booties.

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Speaker 1: Things like that.

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Speaker 4: There's so much pete stuff you can buy these days,

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Speaker 4: but I suppose, like a good second hand market day.

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Speaker 3: There are a huge sicken hand markets for dogs and cats.

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Speaker 3: When we had a dog, I genuinely never bought any

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Speaker 3: of that stuff new because there was just so much

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Speaker 3: out there on trade nets, place a marketplace. Even if

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Speaker 3: you just mentioned to a friend, they probably have an

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Speaker 3: old crate that's wrapped in their garage, so you really,

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Speaker 3: really don't need to buy anything new, even the toys.

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Speaker 3: I made it like tag Awad toy out of old

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Speaker 3: clothes and underwear. And same with the dog there. Dogwigs

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Speaker 3: can be you know, of dollars and we have some

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Speaker 3: cool sustainable beds New Zealand made out there. But you

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Speaker 3: can just cut up your old clothes and use it

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Speaker 3: to stuff, you know, kind of the cushion thing. So,

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Speaker 3: I mean, I know people want the best of their animals,

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Speaker 3: and it can be tempting. I want to buy all

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Speaker 3: the fancy things, but the secondhand stuff can be just

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Speaker 3: as good, you know, it's not better, and make your

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Speaker 3: money stretch a lot further.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a great message. And I think a really

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Speaker 4: obvious thing that has often overlooked is just to consider

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Speaker 4: the impact that your peter is having on the environment.

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Speaker 4: This is the thing with cats, Like it just kills

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Speaker 4: me when I see a cat roaming free without a

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Speaker 4: bell or anything like that, because I'm like, you know,

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Speaker 4: like think of all of the native birds we have

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Speaker 4: here and even catanders. They don't want to see their

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Speaker 4: cat bringing home birds and stuff, you know.

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Speaker 3: No, So yeah, it's again thinking about in my situation,

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Speaker 3: can I maybe you know, I know a lot of

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Speaker 3: people who really hear about the environments and have lots

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Speaker 3: of beautiful native birds around and so their cat is

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Speaker 3: an indoor cat, and you know, choosing a species that

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Speaker 3: is going to be okay with that, and just really

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Speaker 3: considering your situation, because I think we can get quite

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Speaker 3: selfish when it comes to pets and we can forget

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Speaker 3: that actually an animal has certain needs and if you

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Speaker 3: can't meet them here in New Zealand or yeah, just

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Speaker 3: in your kind of usual lifestyle set up, in your

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Speaker 3: work demands, and it's probably best that you are to

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Speaker 3: walk your neighbor's dog, you know, do something like that.

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Speaker 3: Like for us, we don't have a dog anymore and

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Speaker 3: we kind of co own in away my parents' dogs

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Speaker 3: and it just yeah, it makes it so so much better.

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Speaker 3: And the little things when you're walking along the beach

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Speaker 3: and you see corned off spaces for different protected birds,

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Speaker 3: actually listening to those rather than thinking, oh, my dog

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Speaker 3: doesn't chase birds, Like putting your dogs on a lead.

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Speaker 3: That's so so important.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, I think so much. Kate really appreciate it. Kate

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Speaker 4: Hall is our sustainability commentator. You can find her on

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Speaker 4: social media just search ethically, Kate and her smiling face

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