1 00:00:01,080 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: Hi, Ryan, thanks for being with me. Did Sarah resign 2 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: of her own accord or did you force her out? 3 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:09,320 Speaker 2: No? She signed, She resigned of her own accord. You know, 4 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:13,040 Speaker 2: she reflected over summer and seven years in the CE 5 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 2: role and twelve years at FARMAC. I think she just 6 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:18,120 Speaker 2: sort of came made the decision that it was time 7 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:18,640 Speaker 2: to move on. 8 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:22,280 Speaker 1: She held on through a lot of flack though, didn't she. 9 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:23,920 Speaker 1: I mean, there was a lot of pressure on her 10 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 1: to resign for a long time. What's is something suddenly 11 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: happened or. 12 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:33,200 Speaker 2: No, I don't think so. I think she's incredibly proud 13 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 2: of the work that FARMAC has done, particularly in the 14 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 2: last sort of eight months since they got the uplift 15 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 2: and budget, I mean, fifty seven more medicines, you know, 16 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 2: going to literally tens of thousands of New Zealanders, and 17 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 2: you know she's led that work. So I think, you know, 18 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 2: from her perspective, she's going out feeling like she's done, 19 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 2: you know, some pretty remarkable work in a short period 20 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 2: of time and over the years, and that the timing's 21 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 2: kind of right. 22 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 1: She's going on leave for too, so for April and 23 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 1: May she'll be on leave and then finishing in May. 24 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 1: Why is that? 25 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's part of you know, leave during a notice 26 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 2: period is within contractual negotiations. So that's absolutely fine. We 27 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 2: thought a month so that we get the acting and 28 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 2: you know, makesure we're all tidy there, and then you 29 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 2: know it is, it's changed, right, so let's get on 30 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:25,039 Speaker 2: with it. And in that context, I think that her 31 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 2: being on garden garden leaves and entirely appropriate. 32 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 1: Oh so it's gardening leave. Is she and gardening leave 33 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 1: immediately then. 34 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 2: As of late from the thirty eeth of March, so 35 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 2: she'll be in the office for March and then April 36 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 2: May is she's on garden leaves. 37 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 1: Oh that's weird, isn't it. Normally you do gardening leave 38 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 1: straight away. 39 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 2: No, I just needed to I really need a month, 40 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 2: and she really wanted to do another month and finish 41 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 2: off a couple of projects and make sure that that's 42 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 2: all tidy and then but yeh, she'd given the three 43 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 2: months notice, so we just sort of felt that, yeah, 44 00:01:57,320 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 2: she might have gone leave. 45 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: Okay, does this mean an a major cultural shift is 46 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: happening or is about to happen? 47 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 2: Yes to what does you know? Things? Well, things have 48 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 2: to change, right, there's just you know, no two ways 49 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 2: about it. And it's not all farm ex fault, but 50 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:17,079 Speaker 2: you know, the got themselves into a situation where there 51 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 2: weren't great relationships with the whole lot of the external stakeholders. 52 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 2: There weren't being as transparent and open. We're effectively, you know, 53 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 2: working on a model that was put in a nineteen 54 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:29,839 Speaker 2: ninety one and so we need to be refreshing, resetting, 55 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 2: and that is going to look quite different. I think 56 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 2: you need see a very different organization by the end 57 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:35,959 Speaker 2: of this year. 58 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 1: Do you need more money still? I mean, I suppose 59 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 1: you could always have more money, but the way that 60 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 1: you've shaped that you're going to shape the organization, Will 61 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 1: that mean that you get more drugs with the same money. 62 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 2: Not really, not really. It just means hopefully some will 63 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 2: be faster, our processes will be more efficient, will be 64 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 2: engaging with people earlier and in a more transparent way. 65 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 2: But of course we need more money for more medicines. 66 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 2: You know, we're still far too far behind countries. You know, 67 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 2: the similar ELK can still get access to medicines that 68 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 2: we can't, and that's because we know we spend every 69 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 2: dollar of that budget and do everything we can and 70 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 2: save as much as we can. 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